[00:24] Why does intrepid convert my joystick into a mouse o.O? [00:25] Hello. Something seems to be wrong with my partition. I reinstalled xubuntu and used a separate partition for /home, but despite there being enough space (there should be 15GB available - 46GB volume, 30GB used), it only displays 2.6MB free. How can I go about finding this space, and figuring out if my partition is corrupt? [01:29] hi people [01:29] so im installing xubuntu [01:29] now i try to get a driver for b43 [01:29] it said [01:29] >.< [01:30] please forgive me for my enter as a period [01:30] im sorry [01:30] it says that a file is being used by something else and it wont work [01:41] hi, after an upgrade my display is all screwed up, now in the system>hardware drivers, it says a nvidia driver is "activated" but "not in use" [02:14] hello aro [02:15] so i'm not exactly thrilled with the custom theme in xubuntu. can anyone offer some pretty alternatives? [02:15] i installed xubuntu-desktop from a clean ubuntu 8.10 install, b/c i wanted to see how much faster xubuntu would be [02:16] xubuntu is nice and fast, I jsut want to make it prettier. so, any suggestions? [02:16] tinsel around your window [02:16] s/window/monitor/ [02:17] whats that? [02:18] Have you tried the xfwm Themes? [02:19] i haven't found any that came with the stock install. where can i download some? and are you currently using any that are satisfying to you? [02:19] hmm [02:19] looks like imma have to install a windows partition [02:20] NOOOOOOoooooo not WINDOWS [02:20] i need to use Photoshop [02:20] gimp? [02:20] I arrived at Xubuntu via a similar route: added xubuntu-desktop to a stock Ubuntu install [02:20] i am a fan of gimp [02:20] ...it has themes [02:20] the GIMP is a useful thing [02:20] but gimp is no photoshop [02:20] ball: where do you config them from? [02:21] gimp is the shiznit. i've never used photoshop and am not an intensive user of either , though, so i can't speak too much [02:21] what is the gimp missing that you need? [02:21] many many features [02:21] photoshop's filters are top quality for one [02:21] ball: where do you edit the themes from? [02:22] batcoder: does photoshop run in wine? :-D [02:22] not so much [02:22] ezzieyguywuf: I don't edit them, I just chose one from a list. Give me a minute or two and I'll switch to my Xubuntu desktop [02:22] brb [02:22] i guess cs2 and cs3 can work [02:22] ball: aight [02:22] but it gives major problems [02:22] like 400 mb of ram use [02:22] lol, i guess with a name like 'batcoder' windows is kinda your thing right? [02:23] i dont like windows much at all [02:23] oh [02:23] but there is some really good software made for it [02:23] ah well, you do what you gotta [02:23] i cna use alot of linux stuff in it [02:23] there is. actually what i love about linux over windows is the software. sure theres a hole here or there, but i can pretty much find anything i want. [02:27] Okay, this is me in Xubuntu [02:28] Applications -> Settings -> Settings Manager [02:29] settings... lets see [02:30] i see other then system [02:30] no settings... [02:30] Double click on the Window Manager icon and then click on the Style tag [02:30] Scroll down to Kokodi [02:30] That's the Xfwm4 theme I'm using now [02:30] wait, i can't find settings in the applications list [02:30] There are probably global Xfce themes too, but I haven't potched much with those. [02:31] AH ther eit is at the top! lol [02:31] so you llike the kokodi [02:31] hm. i dunno, just the look overall seems 'bigger' than in the gnome installation [02:31] ya know what i mean? [02:32] nvm, i found a way around this [02:32] I find all modern window managers wasteful of screen realestate [02:33] ...but that's because I've lived in Blackbox for years. [02:33] i see [02:33] so you like blakbox? what are its advantages? [02:35] It's light, fast and efficient. [02:36] whats are its disadvantages (i'm kinda in the market for a new DE. i'm used to gnome though...) [02:36] Blackbox isn't a desktop, it's just a window manager. [02:37] ah yes good point. as is xfce [02:37] correct? [02:37] No, Xfce is a desktop [02:37] i get a little confused sometimes [02:37] Xfwm is Xfce's window manager [02:37] yea, xfwm [02:37] so what DE do you use blakbox in then [02:37] None. [02:38] so what does that mean, if your not running a DE. what does the DE do for me? [02:39] In simple, practical terms it gives you a desktop that you can launch programs or documents from, drag files around and do the other things that people are used to in a modern graphical environment [02:40] so since you're only using the window manager, you don't do those things? [02:40] the window manager mostly puts a frame around each window, lets you move them around, iconify/minimise them and so on. [02:40] and thats all you want/need? [02:41] ezzieyguywuf: usually, yes. [02:41] i see [02:41] well i guess i need more than that :-D lol [02:41] Yes, most people would. [02:42] Unless you're a hardcore unix geek, you probably want a desktop of some kind. Xfce seems quite nice. [02:42] yea its not bad [02:42] i guess i'm used to gnome though, so it may not 'stick' [02:43] It's worth pointing out that you can use Xfwm without Xfce, if you're similarly an old fart. [02:43] yea [02:43] i'm not, i'm only 20 :-D [02:43] ok [02:44] thanks for al lyour help! [02:44] i think i'll log back into gnome [02:44] okay. [02:45] Gnome uses a window manager too. It used to be Enlightenment I think, but I've no idea what they use now. [02:45] it changed to sawfish for a while [02:45] and now they use metacity [02:45] Ah okay. [02:45] really i went and tried xfwm/xfce b/c i wanted more focus options, but xfwm seems to have less than even metacity [02:46] kwm seems to have all the options i have, but it isn't compatible with gnome as far as i have learned [02:46] focus options? [02:46] yea [02:46] I have focus-follows-mouse [02:46] i like to click to focus but not raise [02:47] which both xfwm and metacity have [02:47] but kwm allows you to assign a right-click to raise your window, so you don't have to go searching for the title bar [02:47] That's strange. [02:47] you don't like that? i do :-) [02:49] ezzieyguywuf: That's never been an issue for me. [02:50] ah [02:50] to each his own i guess [02:50] anywho, i'll be loging back into gnome then installing kde-desktop to try that out. thanks for your help though [02:50] Blackbox has a little thing that lets you flick through windows. [02:50] personally, i'm a mouse follows + follow raise after timeout [02:50] also you can have a click on desktop to show window list [02:50] i think i'm used to clicking to raise and then moving the mouse off screen, so i always lose focus when i have focus-follos-mouse [02:51] dcolish: I'm focus follows, click to raise [02:52] ball, I used to use click to raise, focus follows, but i wanted to cut down on my repetitive clicks [02:52] it took a lot of getting used to, but now i cant live without [02:53] I generally position my windows so that I don't have to raise that often... not that clicking is much of a chore for me ;-) [02:53] yeah i had carpal tunnel issues [02:53] hello djohngo [02:54] dcolish: ouch. [02:54] hi ball! [02:54] * ball tries to remember how to get his VNC viewer out of full screen mode [02:54] ball, but i love that linux is flexible enough to allow all these styles of ui customization out of the box [02:55] dcolish: well, X11 is... it's not really Linux-specific [02:56] ball, very true, cant forget about bsd or solaris or any of those other guys [02:58] * ball nods [02:58] and even the non-unix X11 platforms [03:01] hmm beos? [03:02] I've not used that, but I've used X on OpenVMS and I know there was at least one X server for DOS [03:02] ...think there's one on Netware too. [03:03] Windows probably too. [03:03] wow, its pretty prolific. [03:03] TOS and Amiga if you want to get really obscure. [03:05] Perhaps MiNT rather than TOS, it's been years. === anon is now known as bloodboy [03:05] I don't remember seeing X11 on Oberon, but it's possible someone ported it there. [03:06] its been on a lot of stuff, i'm just checking out the wiki article now http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_Window_System [03:07] hello Sajuta [03:08] Hello. Just checking back in. I was having a hard time installing xubuntu on another computer of mine. [03:09] It took me... I think five tries to get it. I had given it up as a bad job until my mother turned it on and came to tell me it gave her an error message. [03:10] Hey Sajuta did you try out dsl or any other distro see if its hardware or not? [03:10] hello dsmith_ [03:10] I had burnt it, was going to try... tomorrow. I had given up for the day. ;P [03:11] My mom turned on the computer and it threw an error, so I had to get back on it. [03:11] Apparently because it had only gotten part way through the installation, grub wasn't there and it didn't know what the heck to do to boot. [03:11] >_< [03:11] Yeah, oh you can still boot it if you have a grub boot disk [03:11] hello. i have a removable usb hard-disk drive and i'd like to list the partition i've set up on it to check the available space. could anyone help me with the command, please? [03:12] I crossed my fingers and tried again, and this time, thankfully, it went. I had booted into the liveCD and installed from there. Ahhhh... see, I didn't even think about getting a grub disk. [03:12] wormsxulla: does it appear on your desktop when you plug it in? [03:13] ball: yes, but only the ntfs partition appears, and i do remember making also at least one other partition [03:13] Sajuta, so can you boot into a console at least? [03:13] wormsxulla, sudo fdisk -l [03:13] ah, thanks :) [03:14] dcolish: Oh, it actually -installed- this time. Something like my fifth try at it. I have no idea why it worked this time. [03:14] So, everything's in working order, magically. =P [03:14] Sajuta, could have been bad partitioning, but thats great to hear you stuck with it [03:15] ^_^ I had to. I felt so badly for that poor computer. Has just minimum specs to be running XP, and my mother drives that thing like a workhorse when she actually uses it. [03:15] So how is its performance now? [03:15] Hopefully with all the lighter apps it'll run a bit better for her. [03:16] Uh, well, she wanted me to boot to Windows. I have to convince her that it'll actually do -good- to use Xubuntu. She got a little familiar when I let her use my PC with Ubuntu for a while, so it can't be too hard... I hope. [03:19] http://pastebin.mozilla.org/570269 so that means the total disk space is 20 Gb and there are two partitions, but it doesn't tell their respective size? [03:19] it's in french, sorry for that [03:21] wormsxulla, df -h [03:21] df stands for disk... ffffff.....? [03:22] wormsxulla, no looks at the man pages for df [03:22] disk free [03:22] :) [03:22] Sajuta, did your mom use that system for office type stuff? If so have her try open office... if you haven't already [03:23] I had her running OO.o in Windows too. ^_^ [03:23] oh sweet, she should be right at home, except it will crash less :) [03:24] Hmm... I can't seem to copy and paste text [03:24] ball: Trying to paste to terminal? Shift+Ctrl+V. [03:25] Maybe... er... it works in Gnome terminal. :X [03:26] Trying to copy from xterm and paste the url into Firefox [03:26] Shift+ctrl+C? [03:26] There's always using the menus. ;P [03:27] bah menus are lame, middle click into the blank field with the text you want to copy select [03:28] http://pastebin.mozilla.org/570275 hmmm, so if the disk is 20Gb and /dev/sdc5 is the ntfs partition, and is 14Gb, what is /dev/sda1 and aren't some Gb missing? [03:28] * wormsxulla is confused [03:29] The wheel! I forgot about that. [03:29] Sajuta, yeah thats that ticket, best thing ever [03:30] wormsxulla, sda1 is your root disk [03:30] you can see its mounted at / [03:31] my root disk? [03:31] Sajuta: there are no menus [03:32] I must be doing this wrong. [03:32] well technically /root is your root folder, but in this case all your system files are under / [03:33] dcolish: err... you mean the root folder of the machine then? (the 4Gb of the eee pc i'm on) [03:33] wormsxulla, yup [03:34] so ok... on the usb disk drive, i see /dev/sdc5 which is 14Gb, but the total disk is 20Gb, so the other partition (still missing in the list) is 5Gb? [03:34] :) i'm very silly with partitions, true [03:34] s/5Gb/6Gb or so [03:36] you have free space [03:36] its a bit odd that you have two partitions overlapping also: /dev/sdc1 /dev/sdc5 [03:37] but it's not seen by xubuntu? i thought i had kept 5Gb or so for saving linux files on that disk [03:37] dcolish: yeah, i noticed that too, i'm confused :-( [03:37] maybe you did, but you actually need to create that partition and make it into a file system compatible with linux, which is pretty much all of them [03:38] warning: overlapping partitions may cause cows to fall from the sky. [03:38] i made the partition under windows, that might be the reason? [03:38] ball :) [03:38] well its not ideal... do you have any data on that drive? [03:39] yes, on the ntfs one [03:39] under system>hardware drivers, it says a nvidia driver is activated but not in use, how do I get it "in use" please? [03:39] /dev/sdc5 14G 11G 2,9G 79% /media/RemovHDD [03:39] 11 Gb of data [03:41] hey wormsxulla try using parted instead. might be easier for you [03:41] man parted ? :) [03:41] yup, there is good documentation on partitioning online as well [03:42] if you're new to this, back up that data on that drive [03:42] i wish i could, unfortunately, my main pc (under windows) is still dead [03:43] ok, well this is a good tutorial: http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-mini/Partition.html [03:43] thanks :) [03:44] if you want to double check a command, ask us here before running. Remember if you mess up the partitions on the drive, recovery is difficult, if not impossible [03:47] i'm not touching *anything* without asking first :) [03:47] stupid migraine [03:47] ball: +1 [04:18] 测试 [04:25] 有中国人没 [04:26] byby [05:07] hello? [05:08] is anyone here willing to help me? [05:09] no? dang [05:10] newbie2356: people help on precise questions, usually [05:11] yer so, do youy want to hear my question? [05:11] moi? not particularly :p but maybe others would [05:11] well i'll go ahead and ask it and hopefully someone will answer [05:11] newbie2356: you know, people do not require to help people [05:12] ok: basically, I need to create a folder in xubuntu, but can't. I have tried that gksudo nautilus thing but it didnt help [05:13] hi [05:13] hi [05:14] do you know how to set xubuntu to be able to create new folders [05:14] ? [05:14] 中文谁知道怎么播放rmvb 电影 [05:17] newbie2356: don't you have a "file / create new folder" menu in nautilus? [05:17] (also, i thought the file manager in xubuntu was thunar, not nautilus) [05:17] dunno.. hey wait a sec just what is nautilus anyway? is it the folder/file manager? [05:18] yer it is thunar [05:18] exit [05:18] that must be why it didnt work (i'm new) [05:18] so, in thunar menu: file / create a folder... [05:18] ? [05:18] open thunar first, of course [05:19] i got the first part... ok its greyed out [05:19] and thats my problem [05:19] its greyed out so I cant use that option [05:19] i think i got it [05:20] i did it thanks for yer help [05:20] I replaced nautilus with thunar "gksudo thunar" [05:21] yes, probably your username doesn't admin rights (although you should still be able to create folders in your home, i think) [05:22] why do you need gksudo and not normal sudo, i don't know :p [05:22] i only have one account so it doesnt make much sense, oh well I figured it out.. cept it seems a bit inconvinient to have to go into the root account every time I want to make a new folder [05:23] i have no idea why i need gksudo... [05:23] so you're typing commands just like that? that's *dangerous* (says she, as a newbie, too) [05:24] you wah? .. he sudo works too [05:25] ah.. man gksudo says: gksu is a frontend to su and gksudo is a frontend to sudo. [05:25] ok, well I'm gonna go and try and configure thonar to let my normal user account to create and delete etc files/folders [05:29] i think i mgiht check out fluxbuntu [05:30] anyway thanks for your help. I never would have thought of the replacing nautilus with thunar wihtout it. [05:30] mm fluxbuntu [05:30] whats that again? wait dont tell me I'll go get my magazine [05:31] hmmm? [05:33] ok fluxbuntu, well no harm in trying it out [05:34] I have another question. I have no osund [05:34] sound* [05:34] I just have to install alsa so I can get it back [05:35] any tips for me? [05:38] don't you have alsa yet? [05:38] (you should, i think) [05:39] hmmm [05:39] maybe not [05:40] wait, i had found a nice page about sound [05:42] no I don't have alsa yet [05:43] I'm trying to figure out how to install it [05:43] i ahve downloaded te things they want me to download am about to move it into a directory [05:43] I just made [05:43] just gotta let this darn thing load [05:44] wine was easy enough to install [05:44] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems [05:44] ooh awesome link [05:44] why don't you use synaptic to install stuff? [05:44] becasue I dont know what that is [05:45] I only started using linux yesterday [05:45] applications / system / synaptic package manager (or something similar) [05:46] this synaptic thingie checks every file in packages and the dependencies needed to make them work [05:46] ok so I don't have alsa installed [05:46] xfce4-mixer [05:46] instead [05:46] i think [05:47] ok, so you have something which handles sound [05:47] yer thats there the synaptic package manager [05:47] yes I do [05:47] but no sound comes out when I put my headset in [05:47] I tried it with a game, with a movie and with some music [05:48] anyway, I can now create new folders without using the sudo thonar [05:49] so.. what OS are you using? [05:50] xubuntu gutsy (7.10) on this machine [05:50] k, the synaptic manager wont load [05:51] I clicked it and it wont open... btw do you have a pcuser useros er OS> [05:51] ? [05:51] sorry? [05:53] newbie2356: synaptic didn't prompt you for the admin password? [05:53] nope [05:53] it simply does nothing [05:53] hmm, i don't know then, it should [05:53] i could try restartin my system [05:54] (are you sure your installation went alright?) [05:54] which installation? [05:54] of my OS? [05:54] xubuntu [05:54] yer pretty sure [05:54] ok [05:54] kubuntu errored but xubuntu was fine [05:55] besides xubuntu is much faster... now back to this problem [05:56] im gonna restart because i have been messing around with things [05:56] ill be back on in 10 mins or so so cya [05:56] bye [06:00] hi it didnt work [06:01] ahaa! i do have alsa installed [06:02] its just not activated [06:02] well, "activate" it and see if sound is back? [06:03] i cant its locked but wont unlock [06:03] i probably have to use some sort of command again [06:03] where do you see that alsa is "not activated"? [06:03] ill click the help button [06:05] its supposed to promp me for my password [06:05] but it didnt [06:05] sigh, maybe i should reinstall it [06:05] what, "its"? [06:06] the services settings [06:06] is supposed to prompt me for my password so that I can activate things [06:06] ill have a look on the firefox [06:06] wormsxulla> where do you see that alsa is "not activated"? ? [06:07] under applications / system / services [06:07] it isnt ticked [06:07] and its greyed so i cant tick it [06:08] maybe I can use a command to unlock it [06:09] wait [06:09] * newbie2356 waits [06:09] you *can* see what is activated or not in services, right? [06:09] yes [06:09] theyre ticked, but alsa isnt ticked [06:10] so aumix is selected, but not alsa-utils? [06:10] yes [06:10] that is correct [06:10] brb maybe [06:11] ok. that's because alsa-utils is not installed by default, i think. but then, you should have sound [06:11] because i have the same on my machine, and i have sound [06:11] but it is there, so it must be installed [06:11] but thats not the point, I should be able to fiddle with the services [06:12] i'm pretty sure you can, as you can see those which are activated... unless some cannot be touched, because it would break xubuntu, maybe [06:12] but, i don't know [06:14] this makes no sense [06:15] I wish the installation of drivers and things were a bit more straight forward [06:15] I need to find the drivers [06:16] hey only the alsa utils are installed [06:16] I need to install the drivers as well... theres my problem i think [06:21] too many errors whenever i sue a command [06:22] from a website it just coems back with errors [06:22] err, what? [06:23] i try to use a command which does stuff with directories but it just comes back with errors saying that directoiry does not exist [06:23] i'm confused... you said "from a website" [06:24] well they have a little thing with code in it and you copy and paste it [06:24] ? [06:24] the most confusing part about these guides is that they never start from the beginning [06:24] they start halfway though with programs already open [06:24] but dont tell you what programs to uyse [06:25] what are you trying to do, actually? [06:25] im tryibng to install alsa [06:25] thats all [06:26] now software sources isnt working [06:26] what the hell [06:26] stuff oit i think im gonna reinstall xubuntu [06:27] ill be back on in about an hour or so.. thanks for your help [07:35] now I have boot to the install process for xubuntu 8.10 - but it says there is a problem to detect the codename of the release.. [07:36] what I can do to fix the detection of the codename? [07:40] question, anyone else have a problem where if you disable the bootsplash and use concurrent booting that all boot text is double on the screen? [07:51] "concurrent booting"? === Ad0` is now known as Ad0 === mino is now known as zubatac [08:10] i sort of wanted to see how much the system could run at once, so i ran a whole bunch of applications at once, and now my desktop menus and icons don't show up [08:11] i break something? [08:11] i was running f-spot, firefox and WoW via wine [08:13] ...somehow "allow xfce to manage your desktop" became unchecked [08:14] soren: yes [08:16] xxploit: Thanks, that's very helpful. [08:17] ......? [08:19] soren: o I took your question the wrong way, my bad. Concurrent booting as in changing init.d/rc from Concurrency=none to Concurrency=shell [09:50] wow yer still on [09:50] ooh 22 updates [09:52] running xubuntu 8.10. crossover 7.01, MS office 2007. can't set the file associations. applications>other shortcunts dont work [09:56] somebody, any body help [09:59] hey [10:00] I'm sorry but I cant help you as I am really new to ubuntu.. poh hey i gotta restart cya [10:00] thanks anyway [10:16] anand, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=819286 ? [10:25] can't seem to find the file it stores it in. really should be here somewhere [10:55] hi, [10:55]