[00:09] <shadewin1> why doesn't the automatic install of nvidia binary drivers work?
[00:09] <shadewin1> I clicked the "Activate" button but NOTHING happens
[00:10] <shadewin1> a dialog comes up saying "downloading and installing" or somethin like that
[00:10] <shadewin1> but nothing changes
[00:10] <shadewin1> I know I can install them manually but I'd prefer not to
[00:12] <drimys> hola
[00:12] <shadewin1> hey
[00:12] <Rioting_pacifist> !bios
[00:12] <shadewin1> !nvidia
[00:20] <fbvortex> I just installed 8.10, but my network connection is wired, no dhcp or autodiscovery.  However, even after I use the network manager and configure the default setting, it never configures the interface.  I am able to manually configure it using ifconfig, resolv.conf and route.  What should I be doing?
[00:27] <be_original> hey guys, i installed ubuntu 8.10 and after i restarted computer ubuntu faills to startup, first it loads then i get black screen, does someone knows what is the problem?
[00:27] <Devourer> Is it possible to update Kubuntu from 8.04 to 8.10 yet?
[00:27] <JontheEchidna> Always has been since release day and a bit before: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IntrepidUpgrades/Kubuntu
[00:28] <fbvortex> be_original: do you get a text mode console login prompt if you press ctrl+alt+f2
[00:28] <be_original> no, the screen is tottaly dead
[00:28] <jtisme> be_original, do you know how to change the boot options line to remove splash and quiet
[00:29] <Devourer> JontheEchidna, thanks.
[00:29] <be_original> no man im tottaly new to linux
[00:29] <JontheEchidna> Devourer: You're welcome
[00:29] <legodude> is there any cute way to search your command history by prefix
[00:29] <jtisme> be_original, ok first answer fbbortex's question
[00:30] <legodude> like, type ssh then hit the up arrow and see all command starting with ssh?
[00:30] <fbvortex> jtisme: I think he did
[00:30] <be_original> i did,
[00:30] <jtisme> missed it and the answer was?
[00:30] <be_original> no, the screen is tottaly dead
[00:31] <jtisme> be_original, ok you get the grub boot menu correct?
[00:31] <fbvortex> be_original: try (slowly) ctrl+alt+f2 and go through the f keys until you get to f12 .  see if any of them bring the monitor back to life
[00:31] <jtisme> good idea
[00:31] <Devourer> JontheEchidna, I don't understand. :(
[00:31] <nejode> be_original: if you press ctrl+alt+f1 do you get a login prompt?
[00:31] <Devourer> JontheEchidna, I typed that command and Adept Manager came up... but I don't think anything happened.
[00:31] <JontheEchidna> No version upgrade button in the top toolbar?
[00:32] <fbvortex> be_original: when you first boot, it should ask you to press I think ESC or something if you want to bring up the menu
[00:32] <Devourer> JontheEchidna, oh. ok. Didn't see it... with the mass amount of buttons in that app.
[00:32] <JontheEchidna> hehe
[00:33] <be_original> ok ill try, but monitor looks like it's off the lights are off, like when notebook is turned off completely
[00:33] <fbvortex> Is anyone successfully using 8.10 with a wired ethernet interface with a static IP address?
[00:33] <JontheEchidna> fbvortex: nobody is that I have seen
[00:33] <fbvortex> be_original: is it in powersave mode, or is the power off completely (i.e. did you press the power button/pull the plug)?
[00:34] <JontheEchidna> fbvortex: there's a bug report about that somewhere
[00:34] <be_original> yes, i tried that
[00:34] <fbvortex> JontheEchidna: seems ridiculous to call it a release if something so basic doesn't work.
[00:35] <JontheEchidna> fbvortex: be glad knetworkmanager works at all, though it is a real shame that that bug exists
[00:35] <fbvortex> JontheEchidna: is there a way to run 8.10 on KDE3?
[00:35] <JontheEchidna> sorta, but that won't fix knetworkmanager. It's still a kde3 app
[00:36]  * coreymon77 thinks knetworkmanager is a piece of something unmentionable in this channel
[00:36] <fbvortex> JontheEchidna: with KDE3, I was able to set the network configuration from within KControlCenter for my static address
[00:36] <JontheEchidna> oh, right
[00:36] <fbvortex> JontheEchidna: KDE4 seems to require KNetworkManager.
[00:37] <legodude> KNetworkManager sucks :(
[00:37] <fbvortex> JontheEchidna: unless there's some way to do the same as before?
[00:37] <legodude> anyone have a clue why my nvidia card is not detecting my monitors?
[00:37] <fbvortex> legodude: totally agreed
[00:37] <legodude> fbvortex: like, why can't you set wifi network preference order
[00:38] <fbvortex> legodude: have you checked to see if /var/log/Xorg.0.log says anything?
[00:38] <legodude> yeah
[00:38] <legodude> No devices detected
[00:38] <nejode> johntheEchidna: you should be able to manually edit your /etc/init.d/network/interfaces file
[00:38] <fbvortex> nejode: was that directed toward me?
[00:38] <legodude> although I'm not sure if it means cards or monitors
[00:38] <nejode> ...sorry /etc/network/interfaces
[00:39] <fbvortex> legodude: so is it detecting a primary monitor or something?  how are you checking the log file?
[00:40] <legodude> fbvortex: after I installed the nvidia binary driver, it won't load X any more
[00:40] <legodude> I can use text console and ssh in...
[00:41] <fbvortex> legodude: can you pastebin your xorg log?
[00:41] <nejode> fbvortex: yes man, I got mixed up with the nicks
[00:41] <legodude> one sec
[00:41] <fbvortex> nejode: I'm actually a gentoo guy helping a friend out with kubuntu.  what's the syntax for /etc/network/interfaces ?
[00:42] <fbvortex> and what's the deal with the "configless" xorg in 8.10?
[00:42] <jtisme> fbvortex, changed to static ip no work, changed back worked definitely a bug there
[00:42] <legodude> fbvortex: http://pastebin.com/d27a31566
[00:42] <metbsd> there should be more mirror for china
[00:43] <JontheEchidna> fbvortex: sudo /etc/network/interfaces start or stop or restart
[00:43] <nejode> fbvortex: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/change-ubuntu-system-from-dhcp-to-a-static-ip-address.html
[00:44] <JontheEchidna> fbvortex: and in theory X should be able to autodetect what your monitor, etc is capable of. doesn't always work though, like in my case it detects my highest resolution as too low :/
[00:45] <JontheEchidna> at least you still can use config :D
[00:45] <fbvortex> legodude: looks like you've got 2 nvidia cards, and the driver doesn't know which one to use by default
[00:45] <legodude> fbvortex: is it that simple?
[00:45] <nejode> ...that "unbreakable X" is a real pain in the X...
[00:45] <legodude> it won't automatically respect bios settings?
[00:46] <fbvortex> legodude: that's how I'm interpreting the log file...
[00:46] <uman3> Hi there. I just updated to 8.10 using the alternate cd and in my main user account the network manager doesnt open up on startup and doesnt open when i ALT+F2 nm-applet... on another user (limited) i have the network manager does open at startup. Any idea how i can fix this? Thanks
[00:46] <legodude> fbvortex: but shouldn't it also at least detect my monitors?
[00:47] <fbvortex> legodude: it seems to indicate that either of them could be "primary" and it doesn't know which of those to use.
[00:47] <legodude> fbvortex: do you know how to set primary?
[00:47] <fbvortex> legodude: when it says "no devices detected", it's referring to video cards.  since it doesn't know which video card to use, it doesn't even get to probing the monitors
[00:48] <legodude> gotcha, I was unclear on that
[00:48] <legodude> how do I tell it to, well use both
[00:48]  * DaSkreech give koffee to genii
[00:49] <fbvortex> legodude: let me try to look up the syntax
[00:50] <legodude> hrm
[00:50] <legodude> seems like I might need two device sections
[00:50] <legodude> with two busids
[00:51] <fbvortex> legodude: that part is correct
[00:51] <fbvortex> legodude: but I don't know how to say which should be primary
[00:51] <metbsd> can't get my wireless connection to work, the device is detected in hardware drivers
[00:51] <legodude> well, I'm gonna try and specify a busid now and just get one up and running
[00:52] <fbvortex> legodude: I can pastebin a section from my xorg.conf for you
[00:52] <fbvortex> legodude: if you'd like
[00:52] <legodude> I don't think that's necessary just yet fbvortex
[00:52] <legodude> thanks though
[00:53] <legodude> what's the package for gdm?
[00:53] <legodude> (console mouse)
[00:53] <fbvortex> legodude: you mean gpm
[00:54] <legodude> yes
[00:54] <legodude> that's my problem
[00:54] <legodude> nice
[00:55] <legodude> specifying a busid got me at least one screen
[00:55] <legodude> thanks so much for that fbvortex, I had just assumed it couldn't find monitors
[00:56] <fbvortex> legodude: http://paste.ubuntu.com/69064/ if you want it
[00:56] <fbvortex> oh never mind, I see you got it
[01:00] <legodude> I gotta say though, this is the first time X and I on linux have been somewhat friends
[01:00] <legodude> er
[01:00] <legodude> I gotta say though, this is the first time X on linux and I have been somewhat friends
[01:00] <bdizzle> lol
[01:01] <bdizzle> how is the new KDE 4.1 for everyone? have they fixed the bugs yet in Intrepid?
[01:01] <legodude> still kinda buggy
[01:01] <legodude> lotsa promise I'd say
[01:01] <fbvortex> bdizzle: not so great if using a static IP address :)
[01:02] <bdizzle> lol
[01:02] <bdizzle> well, I've finally got Hardy working out for me, so I don't see much of a reason to change things out right now
[01:02] <legodude> yeah
[01:02] <legodude> god I used to hate modlines
[01:03] <legodude> modelines
[01:03] <legodude> and fonts
[01:03] <legodude> ugh
[01:03]  * legodude shudders
[01:08] <fbvortex> legodude: you can usually avoid the uglier stuff with a lot of the generic timing parameters.
[01:08] <legodude> fbvortex: yeah, not it seems you can just leave it all out
[01:08] <fbvortex> nejode: Thanks, now the static IP config works.  How can I stop KNetworkManager from being launched on startup?
[01:08] <legodude> now
[01:08] <shreedhar> HI
[01:09] <legodude> wow
[01:09] <legodude> I really wedged this machine
[01:09] <aidy> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/291691 anyone know a fix?
[01:09] <aidy> maybe some change to krunner settings
[01:10] <fbvortex> JontheEchidna: Actually, if you could help with the last part of that question, I'd appreciate it.  How do I stop KNetworkManager from being launched on startup?
[01:11] <JontheEchidna> fbvortex: search for a knetworkmanager.desktop in /etc/Autostart
[01:11] <JontheEchidna> add OnlyShowIn=KDE to the file
[01:11] <JontheEchidna> or you could just delete it if you don't even want it in KDE :P
[01:12] <fbvortex> JontheEchidna: what does OnlyShowIn mean?  don't actually run it?
[01:12] <JontheEchidna> only run in kde, but I misunderstood the question
[01:12] <JontheEchidna> you can just delete the .desktop
[01:12] <fbvortex> JontheEchidna: OK, thanks.  I didn't know where the link to it was that was cauing the autostart
[01:12] <fbvortex> causing
[01:14] <legodude> does anyone know if nvidia settings needs to be fed proper stuff from xorg.conf to properly function?
[01:15] <mauro> como va loco todo tranqui??
[01:17] <legodude> ugh
[01:17] <legodude> and now nvidia-settings is segfaulting on me
[01:18] <mauro> che vieja todo bien... pero parlame en spanish porque no la caso muy bien
[01:18] <fbvortex> JontheEchidna: there isn't an /etc/Autostart dir.  Running find on Autostart just shows the one created in the user's home directory, which is empty
[01:18] <bdizzle> 1SP
[01:18] <bdizzle> !SP
[01:18] <bdizzle> !es
[01:19] <bdizzle> mauro: por favor va aqui para ayuda
[01:19] <bdizzle> !es
[01:19] <DaSkreech> !spanish
[01:19] <mauro> tank you dude
[01:20] <JontheEchidna> fbvortex: I've never actually done this... just seen stuff about it on the intertubes
[01:21] <fbvortex> JontheEchidna: nm, I'm an idiot
[01:21] <fbvortex> JontheEchidna: if I could do a find for the autostart dir, I could just as well do a search for .desktop files
[01:21] <fbvortex> JontheEchidna: it's in /etc/xdg/autostart
[01:22] <JontheEchidna> ah!
[01:23] <shreedhar> Hi
[01:26] <purpleposeidon> Is there a way to mirror a partition?
[01:26] <Alex135> purpleposeidon: mirror as in make a copy as a backup?
[01:27] <purpleposeidon> Like raid, but not.
[01:27] <legodude> haha
[01:27] <legodude> can you explain further?
[01:28] <legodude> you mean double the data on a single disk?
[01:28] <legodude> if so it would cut your write speed way down, possibly by more than half
[01:28] <legodude> well, for sure by more than a half
[01:29] <purpleposeidon> I would put / on this, it would be on two seperate disks, and optimize my write speed way up, possiby by more than half. :P
[01:29] <legodude> you mean stripe?
[01:29] <purpleposeidon> Err, sure? :D
[01:29] <legodude> yeah
[01:29] <legodude> that's basic raid
[01:30] <legodude> raid 0 or 1
[01:30] <condon> OK, so, I compiled a dvd in devede..where's it save the file?  I pointed it to my home directory and had it name it movie but there's nothing there
[01:30] <legodude> I always forget which is which
[01:32] <legodude> purpleposeidon: just be aware that you double your failure rate
[01:32] <purpleposeidon> Ahh... right, fsck that then.
[01:33] <KDesk> I have modified some plasmoid settings, but now I would like to have the default settings again, what can I do to get the back to the default?
[01:34] <legodude> ugh, "comm: Xorg Tainted: P "
[01:35] <condon> Is there a search string @ the console to locate a path/file containing two words (that won't bring up every instance of each word, only those that have both words somewhere in them?)
[01:36] <legodude> ugh hackish is two pipes?
[01:37] <legodude> find /path/to | grep term1 | grep term2
[01:37] <legodude> there are much more elegant ways to do it
[01:41] <condon> worked like a charm, appreciate it man
[01:42] <anethum_a> hello everyone!!!
[01:43] <anethum_a> i have this weird problem and i'd like to see if anybody has some info that could help me
[01:43] <h00k> !ask
[01:44] <h00k> what's up, anethum_a
[01:45] <anethum_a> i grabbed the last kubuntu 8.10 RC and installed it, and i have updated since then frequently, but at startup in hangs on the kubuntu loading bar and i have to hold enter to get it to start
[01:46] <h00k> anethum_a: you should grab the 8.10 final package
[01:47] <legodude> does the system settings app control preferences system-wide
[01:47] <legodude> or only kde-wide?
[01:47] <h00k> legodude: KDE-wide
[01:47] <stdin> both actually
[01:47] <legodude> hrm
[01:47] <legodude> amarok does not seem to respect them?
[01:47] <legodude> I can get sound out by testing in notifications
[01:47] <legodude> but not amarok
[01:48] <h00k> stdin, really?
[01:48] <GillesM> hello my wifi light blinks when It use network .. how can make it fixed ?
[01:48] <KDesk> amarok 1.4 or ?
[01:48] <KDesk> amarok 1.4 or 2 ?
[01:48] <legodude> 1.4
[01:49] <stdin> h00k: it can configure network settings/grub/cron/system services etc
[01:49] <legodude> well
[01:49] <h00k> yeah, I suppose that stuff,
[01:49] <legodude> I'm asking because I am trying to set up my sound settings
[01:49] <legodude> I'm using digital output
[01:49] <h00k> stdin: I suppose I sort of "forgot" those >.<
[01:49] <KDesk> legodude: amarok 1.4 uses the kde3 libs, so I will not read the settings from system settings
[01:49] <anethum_a> eh, i was trying to avoid a reinstall but i need to at any rate, i have some partitioning issues i have to deal with so i'm probably just going to do a fresh install
[01:50] <stdin> KDesk: it will, because those setting are in the same place
[01:50] <h00k> anethum_a: perhaps somebody would be able to help you better
[01:50] <h00k> anethum_a: I'm sorry
[01:50] <stdin> legodude: check your settings in Settings -> Configure Amarok -> Engine
[01:51] <legodude> yeah
[01:51] <KDesk> it is not the same, with amarok 2 it would work.
[01:51] <legodude> I was looking there
[01:51] <stdin> KDesk: both use ~/.kde
[01:51] <anethum_a> nah, i need a fresh install, ive got about about 10 gigs of unpartitioned space i need to absorb into my home directory that used to belong to the vista installer :)
[01:51] <KDesk> amarok 1.4 uses xine direct, amarok 2 and kde4 uses phonon
[01:52] <stdin> KDesk: phonon will use either Xine or GStreamer, so it sill uses Xine by default
[01:52] <stdin> all Phonon does is abstract that away
[01:52] <KDesk> stdin: that has nothing to do, the settings are not in the same format, and amarok doesn't read the from there for kde4
[01:52] <anethum_a> thanks for your time, always greatly appreciated!
[01:53] <KDesk> stdin: in default kubuntu it uses xine, but you are right, it can use many backends
[01:53] <legodude> hrm
[01:54] <KDesk> legodude: you can't get sound from amarok, right?
[01:54] <legodude> yup
[01:54] <legodude> or vlc
[01:54] <KDesk> legodude: dont you have pulseaudio installed?
[01:54] <legodude> I had to switch around the audio devices in system settings
[01:54] <legodude> no idea KDesk, this is a new clean instlal
[01:54] <legodude> lemme check
[01:55] <legodude> installing now
[01:55] <KDesk> legodude: if you start amarok from konsole doesn't it displays something?
[01:55] <KDesk> legodude: no! ok I dont know. But pulse is problematic sometimes
[01:56] <savant> is there any program like AWN native to KDE?
[01:56] <KDesk> legodude:  I think better is without pulseaudio.
[01:56] <KDesk> savant: nativ I think no, but you can try cairo-dock
[01:57] <savant> is it better? because i really don't like AWN
[01:57] <KDesk> savant: in some animation it is much more better, you have to try it.
[01:59] <savant> ok.. i'm going to give it a go
[01:59] <legodude> hrm
[02:01] <KDesk> legodude: if you start amarok from konsole does amarok display something?
[02:02] <legodude> KDesk: not much
[02:02] <legodude> nothing useful
[02:02] <KDesk> legodude: and vlc?
[02:02] <legodude> I'm mucking around with alsa right now
[02:03] <legodude> vlc: hung when I tried to play with sound settings
[02:03] <KDesk> legodude: do you have 2 or more sound cards?
[02:03] <legodude> nope
[02:03] <legodude> but I need to make sure it is using digital output
[02:03] <legodude> spdif
[02:03] <KDesk> legodude: you only dont get sound, but marok plays the music, or something else?
[02:04] <KDesk> ahh
[02:04] <KDesk> hmm
[02:04] <xp-killer> KDesk: can u help me with kmess?
[02:04] <legodude> I can get sound by playing with notifications in system settings
[02:04] <legodude> after I changed some stuff in the sound part
[02:04] <legodude> so I know it should work in theory
[02:05] <KDesk> xp-killer: ask your question, and the person that know will help you...
[02:05] <xp-killer> KDesk: can kmess hold all my history conversation?and can it put all my convesation windows in 1?
[02:05] <xp-killer> can kmess hold all my history conversation?and can it put all my convesation windows in 1?
[02:05] <KDesk> xp-killer: I dont use it, sorry.
[02:05] <KDesk> xp-killer: do you meen using tabs?
[02:05] <KDesk> in kopete I can use tabs.
[02:06] <KDesk> legodude: I haven't configured a digital output, I dont know.
[02:07] <xp-killer> KDesk: yea but kopete doesnt realy do things i want it to do
[02:08] <KDesk> xp-killer: what do you want?
[02:08] <xp-killer> add smileys
[02:09] <KDesk> hmm, dont you like the default ones? :)
[02:09] <xp-killer> KDesk: lol yes but there are manymore funny ones i want that my friends have
[02:10] <xp-killer> KDesk: kmess can add the smileys my friends shows
[02:10] <xp-killer> but i can get tru with kopete
[02:11] <KDesk> xp-killer: http://linux.softpedia.com/get/Communications/Chat/Kopete-Emoticons-Manager-24923.shtml ?
[02:11] <KDesk> What happend to www.kde-apps.org
[02:11] <KDesk> ?
[02:11] <dhuv> hello all
[02:12] <dhuv> I was wondering if somebody can point me to a page with the status of 4.2, I looked here http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.2_Release_Schedule but that is obviously wrong
[02:13] <JontheEchidna> the status?
[02:13] <Dragnslcr> dhuv- that page looks right to me
[02:13] <dhuv> JontheEchidna: what the release schedule would be like, when I can expect a Beta or something
[02:13] <JontheEchidna> alpha1 was released, just very silently
[02:14] <dhuv> Dragnslcr: if the page is right the alpha should have already been released
[02:14] <JontheEchidna> it was, it just wasn't publicized at all
[02:14] <dhuv> JontheEchidna: ahh ok, awesome
[02:14] <dhuv> so I guess the beta should be coming in a couple of weeks
[02:14] <Dragnslcr> If you're really interested in testing an alpha version, I'm sure you could ask about it on the KDE development mailing list
[02:15] <Dragnslcr> I wouldn't expect it to be entirely useable, though
[02:15] <FrankH> hello. i was wondering if anyone else has seen less laptop battery life with the new version of kubuntu.
[02:16] <GillesM> hello on kubuntu .. i see I have compiz wrapper installed .. can I configure compiz ?
[02:16] <dhuv> FrankH: this was the case for me while it was in beta, but since the release its been fine
[02:16] <dhuv> for me, I think it was the fact that Xorg did not have dynamiclocks set to on
[02:17] <dhuv> since I have added it, I consistently get 3+ hrs
[02:17] <fbvortex> JontheEchidna: thanks for the help. legodude: good luck.  I'm outta here.
[02:17] <FrankH> dhuv:  did u make any config changes?
[02:17] <dhuv> FrankH: only to xorg.conf to add that line so the GPU does not eat so much memory
[02:17] <dhuv> If you are worried about battery life I would recommend powertop
[02:18] <FrankH> dhuv:  what was that?
[02:18] <h00k> !powertop
[02:18] <_2> !info powertop
[02:18] <h00k> hrm, dhuv, google it ;)  It's a nice power-tweaker
[02:18] <dhuv> FrankH: it is a utility which shows you which process is waking up the CPU the most
[02:18] <h00k> and then allows you to disable it
[02:19] <h00k> sorry dhuv, the google was supposed to be for FrankH
[02:19] <dhuv> it does not exactly show you which process is using power, but it tells you what is waking up the CPU and how often
[02:19] <FrankH> dhuv:  what did u change in xorg.conf?
[02:20] <dhuv> it is only CPU related, in my case where the GPU was sucking up power, I did not see it on that, I just figured from the fan that it could be the GPU and I believe it was
[02:21] <dhuv> I added 'Option "DynamicClocks" "on"' under the video section
[02:21] <dhuv> I am using the radeon driver so it applies to me
[02:21] <KDesk> FrankH: which video card do you have?
[02:21] <dhuv> you should look into options for your graphics card
[02:22] <FrankH> kdesk: intel gma 945
[02:22] <dhuv> FrankH: lucky you, I think intel stuff is well supported
[02:22]  * KDesk thinks the same...
[02:23] <FrankH> dhuv:  i'll add what u did and see if it makes a diff.
[02:23] <FrankH> dhuv: ty
[02:23] <dhuv> make sure you also check your wireless power settings and tweak them to save more power, unfortunately I have an atheros chipset and I cannot set power
[02:23] <dhuv> FrankH: don't do that
[02:23] <dhuv> hold on a sec
[02:26] <dhuv> FrankH: I cannot find anything with a quick google search, but you should look to see what other people who have the same chipset have done
[02:27] <FrankH> dhuv: k, will do
[02:27] <dhuv> FrankH: you should also look into tweaking your hdd and wireless settings as well to save power
[02:27] <dhuv> I notice that hdd makes a noticable difference
[02:28] <_2> dhuv you take all the fun out of watching a guy break his system   ;/
[02:28] <FrankH> dhuv:  yeah, may be knetwork mng.
[02:28] <h00k> delete system32
[02:29] <_2> h00k what is system32 ?
[02:29] <dhuv> FrankH: knetworkmanager I think only sets up the connection
[02:29] <_2> h00k is it like area51 ?
[02:29] <FrankH> dhuv:  knetwork may be looking for other connections?
[02:29] <h00k> _2: no.....that'd be a Windows folder </joke>
[02:29] <KDesk> hehe
[02:29] <FrankH> dhuv: i know this is a problem with some mobile phones
[02:29] <dhuv> FrankH: take a look at http://www.lesswatts.org/projects/index.php
[02:30]  * _2 didn't know that area51 was a windows folder
[02:30] <dhuv> FrankH: mobile phones?
[02:31] <FrankH> dhuv: ala iphone
[02:31] <DGH1973> yeah, scanning every so often for hot spots, draining the battery
[02:31] <dhuv> FrankH: what is the problem with it? wifi connections?
[02:31] <dhuv> DGH1973: ohhh
[02:32] <FrankH> dhuv:   no wireless connects OK
[02:32] <FrankH> dhuv: battery just lasts about 30 min
[02:33] <FrankH> dhuv:  i have xp on this same laptop and has much better battery life
[02:33] <dhuv> well, first use powertop and see if that shows anything obvious, next I would turn the wifi off and see how long it lasts compared to it on
[02:33] <DGH1973> man, that's unfortunate... are you running full desktop effects and stuff?
[02:33] <claudinei> ola
[02:33] <DGH1973> heya
[02:33] <claudinei> tem agum brasileiro ai
[02:34] <Ashex> I set the master channel to Front
[02:34] <FrankH> dgh1973: yeah, running kwin desk effects
[02:34] <Ashex> but my volume keys are controlling PCM
[02:34] <DGH1973> ahh, welcome to my first problem with kubuntu Ashex, need a hand?
[02:34] <dhuv> FrankH: I would try to shut those things down at some point and see if that helps
[02:34] <dhuv> once you find out what it is, it is easier to deal with
[02:35] <FrankH> dhuv:  thanks for the input, will try your suggestions
[02:35] <Ashex> DGH1973, yeah
[02:35] <Ashex> I upgraded from hardy and it broke the volume control
[02:35] <FrankH> thank everyone. have a great weekend!
[02:35] <dhuv> FrankH: later
[02:35] <Ashex> tried setting the hotkeys to controlling front, but that didn't work
[02:35] <Ashex> I really wish they kept the master channel that kde3 had
[02:35] <DGH1973> ok, so from what I can tell this will get your keys to work, but I think there is a bug that will make the on screen display stop working
[02:36] <Ashex> ok
[02:36] <DGH1973> really? That's what I was going to suggest, I went in and adjusted my keys and now they work on the right channel, but no on screen display of volume
[02:37] <DGH1973> double check the settings just in case, I noticed an interface issue where you can type in the new key, but if you don't click the radio button to "custom" in front of where you input the key it doesn't actually take
[02:37] <Ashex> ah
[02:37] <Ashex> well, I'll try it again real quick
[02:37] <Ashex> I just happened to have the volume control up, so I saw it change pcm this time around
[02:38] <_2> radio button?
[02:38] <Ashex> okay, retarded question
[02:38] <Ashex> or a retarded bug
[02:38] <DGH1973> yeah, web term heh
[02:39] <Ashex> settings > configure shortcuts. All I see for the channels are the Toggle Mute
[02:39] <Ashex> don't see the increase/decrease shortcuts for each one
[02:39] <DGH1973> uh oh
[02:40] <Alatius> I have a very strange problem here... Whenever I have OpenOffice active, the buttons in my taskbar flicker when I move the mouse over them.
[02:41] <Alatius> Anyone experienced something similar?
[02:41] <Ashex> DGH1973, well, going through system settings > keyboard showed them
[02:41] <DGH1973> Ashex: check your sound preferences maybe? and make sure your soundcard is at the top of the list for the diff output categories? Shooting in the dark here
[02:41] <Ashex> so that looks to be working
[02:41] <DGH1973> ahh good good
[02:42] <DGH1973> are your buttons set to the channels you need?
[02:42] <Ashex> yeah
[02:42] <Ashex> For some reason I have two front channels
[02:42] <DGH1973> but still not working?
[02:42] <Ashex> it's working now
[02:42] <Ashex> and no annoying OSD
[02:42] <DGH1973> yeah, the channels will depend on the hardware
[02:42] <DGH1973> you may need to experiment and find the correct ones
[02:42] <Ashex> it's just odd, never had two in hardy
[02:43] <_2> pa
[02:43] <DGH1973> yeah unfortunately it seemed to "just work" for me in GNOME as well
[02:43] <_2> pa pulseaudio
[02:43] <DGH1973> was the only thing I remember having to adjust off the bat though
[02:44] <Ashex> yeah
[02:44] <booga> quick question, is it better to report KDE4 bugs for 8.10 against Kubuntu or KDE4 itself?
[02:44] <Ashex> I'm just kinda pissed
[02:44] <Ashex> Everything kinda just broke in intrepid
[02:44] <Ashex> I also completely despise the new adept manager
[02:44] <_2> !bug | booga
[02:45] <DGH1973> booga: my guess there would be try kubuntu first, then kde4, but always try to search for your bug in question, that may answer your question for you also
[02:45] <DGH1973> nice bot
[02:45] <booga> true that
[02:46] <_2> pfft. yankees      it's "true dat"
[02:46] <MrNoName11> Maybe the dingo ate your baby
[02:46] <_2> like "who dat"    you know.
[02:46] <booga> word
[02:46] <Ashex> booga, report to Kubuntu
[02:46] <Ashex> it'll be sent upstream
[02:46] <DGH1973> who dis, say wha?
[02:47] <Alatius> About the new Adept: 1) Is it possible to search for anything shorter than 4 characters?!
[02:47] <_2> B's me.
[02:47] <booga> thanks Ashex
[02:47] <Alatius> 2) Is it possible to sort the search result, like, alphabetically?
[02:47] <DGH1973> huh... Alatius: looks like they don't send the search through if it's 3 chars or less
[02:48] <DGH1973> they should at least pop something up letting you know they are just ignoring you
[02:48] <KDesk> Also, is it possible in Adept to see the change log?
[02:49] <_2> Alatius don't know about adept  but you probably could search with ubottu    only five results tho.
[02:49] <DGH1973> Alatius and KDesk: yeah, they new adept leaves a little to be desired doesn't it
[02:49] <Alatius> DGH1973: Yeah, I find it extremely frustrating.
[02:49] <KDesk> Better is to use apt directly
[02:49] <DGH1973> I do like their simplification efforts a LOT though, kde2/3 were becoming awfully cluttered feeling IMHO
[02:50] <DGH1973> yeah KDeskis right, you can do good clean up operations that way to that you just can't seem to handle within adept
[02:50] <KDesk> or synaptic, I have read somewhere that someone in the kde team was makeing a fromt end for a package manager, dont know which.
[02:50] <DGH1973> ...KDesk... apologies on mangling
[02:50] <_2> KDesk can you find a way to limit the search scope in apt-cache to three chars ?
[02:51] <KDesk> DGH1973: np :)
[02:51] <KDesk> _2 it is, but I dont know. You have to use |awk '{print $xxx}'
[02:51] <DGH1973> apt-cache looks to support 3 char searching already, at least when I test it I get results
[02:52] <DGH1973> I get lots of results though, prob why front end tools nudge you in to being more specific
[02:52] <DGH1973> or are you referring to something different?
[02:53] <DGH1973> lol, I just tried "Help > Adept Handbook" and got air...
[02:54] <DGH1973> oh well, that's a short term support release for you I guess
[02:54] <KDesk> DGH1973: _2  I think it works good, for ex.:  apt-cache search xserver |grep -i core |awk '{print $1}'
[02:55] <KDesk> DGH1973: what package would you like to search?
[02:55] <DGH1973> ahh I see, 3 char output, got my wires crossed there, apologies
[02:55] <_2> KDesk ?
[02:56] <DGH1973> KDesk: I'm good, thought _2 was talking about trying to search for things with 3 chars or less
[02:56] <_2> DGH1973 yes i was
[02:56] <KDesk> _2: with that syntaxis modified you could limit the search scope to 3 chars.
[02:56] <DGH1973> which seems to work in apt-cache but gets completely ignored by adept
[02:57] <KDesk> DGH1973: ah, sorry, I missunderstund
[02:57] <KDesk> DGH1973: but.. could you give me an example?
[02:57] <DGH1973> right on KDesk, pipes and awk/sed/grep can be worked to achieve all kinds of magic
[02:58] <_2> DGH1973 and KDesk i meant a way to cause apt to search for package names that have chars<=3
[02:58] <DGH1973> I meant that I could run say "apt-cache search fir" and get results, but if you search for fir in adept you get nothing
[02:59] <DGH1973> not sure about that one _2
[03:00] <dhuv> _2: how about "apt-cache search somethingelse | grep fir"
[03:00] <dhuv> the somethingelse would be something that would return lots of results including the one you want
[03:00] <KDesk> Adept is only beta4, so, lets hope that adept 3.1 has more options.
[03:00] <dhuv> like "apt-cache search kde4 | grep plasma"
[03:00] <DGH1973> right yeah you could defintely narrow down with grep
[03:01] <KDesk> but there is also the description..
[03:01] <DGH1973> _2 is looking for packages that have 3 char names though, that's an interesting issue
[03:01] <_2> dhuv no.    dhuv you could do this tho   apt-cache search -n fir | grep '^fir '
[03:01] <Ashex> Anyone use mpd for their media player?
[03:01] <_2> but i was wondering if apt could do it without grep
[03:02] <_2> working example.   apt-cache search -n apt | grep '^apt '
[03:03] <DGH1973> yeah that's probably the best approach
[03:04] <_2> not really.   doing that is full of ignorance.   in the first place to search for a package that you already know the name of is kinda...    well dumb.
[03:05] <_2> in the second place apt-cache show apt  would be better to grep seeing that we know the name already.
[03:05] <DGH1973> true...
[03:06] <_2> it's almost like doing    cat file | grep blah | sed 'something'
[03:06] <legodude> if I create a new udev rule, do I need to reload udev?
[03:06] <_2> all that is needed to get the same output is    sed 'something' file
[03:07] <_2> i was hopping to find a trick like  apt-cache search -n 'ap? '   but that doesn't work.
[03:08] <DGH1973> right, so what you really need in order to compensate for this is probably slightly more complicated loop that could parse all the package descriptions and names, and give you any that match a 3 char string
[03:08] <DGH1973> otherwise you're just searching for it directly by name?
[03:08] <_2> DGH1973 right.
[03:08] <_2> yes in that context.
[03:09] <DGH1973> I saw a dump command that dumps all kind of extra output, but should list all of the packages
[03:09] <_2> DGH1973 it could apply to five char or what ever
[03:09] <DGH1973> apt-cache dump - s/command/argument/
[03:10] <_2> dump / search ...    same results from    apt-cache search ' .*'     ;/
[03:10] <DGH1973> you much of a programmer _2? I might be able to whip up a python script for you if you really need this functionality
[03:10] <DGH1973> shell could do it to, but perl or python would likely be faster
[03:10] <_2> DGH1973 no.  it's trivial.   i was just testing   and noticed the limitation
[03:11] <DGH1973> gotcha
[03:11] <_2> awk could filter the output
[03:12] <DGH1973> yeah, awk can do all kinds of amazing things that I've never really scratched the surface of, supporting it's own scripts and everything... good stuff!
[03:13] <wolfjb> is there a setting in kde somewhere I need to set so that gnome applications work better? For example, rhythm box should play audio cds, but it doesn't in kde4 on kubuntu 8.10. works fine in gnome.
[03:13] <_2> but the syntax is, well.   'awk_ward'  if you don't mind the pun
[03:14] <DGH1973> wolfjb: ahh.. rhythmbox may be relying on g-streamer or esd which may be missing maybe? guessing here
[03:14] <dhuv> wolfjb: are you talking about the same computer or does it work in gnome in another computer?
[03:14] <wolfjb> same computer
[03:15] <_2> prefered applications.   but why would gnome apps be prefered in kde ???
[03:15] <DGH1973> _2: hehe yeah no doubt, never really did much more beyond field filtering with it
[03:16] <DGH1973> wolfjb: you can try launching rhythmbox on the command line from a terminal... you may see some output in that console that will give an indication of a problem
[03:16] <wolfjb> DGH1973: I'll try that
[03:17] <DGH1973> you may get flooded with all kinds of gtk output to, so be prepared to hunt through that output heh
[03:17] <DGH1973> just messages about loading this, doing that
[03:18] <wolfjb> only got one warning: unable to grab media player keys
[03:18] <DGH1973> and nothing when you try to play the cd aye?
[03:18] <DGH1973> hmm...
[03:18] <wolfjb> not even an option to play it
[03:18] <DGH1973> ahh... so it's not seeing the cd?
[03:18] <wolfjb> right
[03:19] <DGH1973> you can play it with another media player right? (just making sure)
[03:19] <_2> groups issue ?
[03:19] <_2> amarok ?
[03:20] <wolfjb> I can play with other thing, haven't tried amarok, because 4 isn't available to me
[03:20] <wolfjb> (via apt-get for example)
[03:20] <_2> oh
[03:20] <_2> well it's not a group issue
[03:20] <wolfjb> amarok still comes from kde3.5.
[03:21] <_2> rythmbox /dev/cdrom
[03:21] <DGH1973> nice one _2, yeah that's a good thing to try
[03:22] <wolfjb> no joy
[03:22] <DGH1973> may work, or may print an error... did it print anything?
[03:22] <_2> error message ?
[03:22] <wolfjb> nothing
[03:22] <DGH1973> man
[03:22] <DGH1973> looking up bugs here, rhythmbox can play other music files for you right?
[03:22] <_2> hmmm that's a good problem you found.
[03:23] <wolfjb> yeah, works great for everything but playing cds in kde. plays them just fine in gnome, but I prefer kde
[03:23] <wolfjb> it's simple, easy to use easy to find my music easy to create playlists
[03:24] <wolfjb> It and soundjuicer are the only gnome apps I actually use. everything else is kde
[03:24] <DGH1973> yeah that's one of the keys, some backend process may be kicking off in KDE that is locking it and making it available for it's media subsytem only
[03:25] <DGH1973> it looks like they both use HAL now? so that might not be it
[03:25] <_2> vlc ftw
[03:25] <wolfjb> vlc is a great program
[03:26] <_2> i use it to watch movies in the console
[03:26] <_2> svgalibs and vlc-svga
[03:26] <_2> why start a gui just to watch a dvd ...
[03:28] <wolfjb> well, no big deal, just thought I'd ask. Thanks for the ideas guys!
[03:28] <DGH1973> wolfjb: looking at the forums for stuff that might be related... try making sure you have the basic g-streamer and xinelib packages installed, that should cover your backends for rhythmbox
[03:29] <DGH1973> sorry not being much help there wolfjb
[03:29] <wolfjb> yeah, I think I have every gstreamer and *xine* thing installed (33 packages)
[03:29] <DGH1973> this release is so new I'm not seeing much resolution of specific probs online yet
[03:30] <_2> wolfjb what have you used to play cd's in kde ?
[03:30] <wolfjb> juk
[03:30] <_2> hmmm
[03:31] <wolfjb> kscd rather, juk doesn't play cds
[03:31] <_2> just wondering if that might be accessing the cd through a kio slave    that would explain the others not seeing the cd/dvd device
[03:32] <_2> ok that does sound like the issue may still be group related
[03:32] <_2> check what 'groups' you are in
[03:32] <wolfjb> I think juk doesn't have the capability to play cds
[03:32] <wolfjb> among others, I'm in audio and cdrom
[03:33] <_2> you don't have to be a pooty parper
[03:33] <_2> err party pooper
[03:33] <wolfjb> :-D
[03:33] <_2> :)
[03:34] <DGH1973> heh
[03:34] <DGH1973> I like pooty parper
[03:35] <wolfjb> well, gotta run guys. thanks for the ideas. much appreciated
[03:36] <booga> application pop-up from taskbar == tooltip?
[03:37] <_2> cdcd - command line or console based CD player
[03:58] <izzyb> I've just done a fresh install of kubuntu 8.1 and was playing with the advanced desktop effects and ended up with a display I cant read.  how can I turn off the desktop effects from the command line?
[04:01] <DGH1973> good Q izzyb, let me poke around a sec
[04:02] <izzyb> thanks DGH1973, I have no idea where to even begin.
[04:02] <DGH1973> think I got it
[04:02] <DGH1973> can you get a console?
[04:03] <DGH1973> edit the kwinrc file in ~/.kde4/share/config
[04:03] <izzyb> yes
[04:03] <DGH1973> look for
[04:03] <DGH1973> [Compositing]
[04:03] <DGH1973> Enabled=true
[04:03] <DGH1973> change to false and restart X
[04:03] <DGH1973> lemme know if that helps
[04:04] <DGH1973> you have an nvidia card by chance?
[04:05] <DGH1973> I do, and my screen went black until I added the proprietary drivers (doh! I knew better to...)
[04:06] <DGH1973> sorry izzyb: it's actually ~/.kde/share/config
[04:07] <izzyb> DGH1973, thanks, that did it
[04:07] <DGH1973> cool
[04:08] <izzyb> now to find out what I did to cause that
[04:08] <DGH1973> hey Drachen, you the same guy Dave is always talking about on his show?
[04:08] <DGH1973> what kind of video card izzyb?
[04:11] <izzyb> DGH1973, sorry, I'm switching back and forth between machines.  it's an nvidia card.  I just discovered it didn't activate properly after I installed the proprietary drivers
[04:12] <DGH1973> after proprietary drivers were installed aye, that's odd... you can try looking up your card model and kde4 compositing on google
[04:13] <DGH1973> maybe there's a known issue... I installed it and it worked for me, I had two driver options though, I picked the (recommended) one
[04:13] <tbr281> does anyone know why kubuntu 8.10 wont unmount media devices such as ipod's?
[04:14] <DGH1973> tbr281: I have a similar prob with my nokia 770 - if I drag a lot of files on to it it" quicky" copies them, but in the background it's doing a long, lazy copy over usb
[04:14] <DGH1973> try typing "sync" in a console and see if it takes a while to return, then see if you can eject/unmount it maybe
[04:15] <DGH1973> if it takes a while to return, that means it's telling the subsystems to "copy it all now darn it!" and will return when complete
[04:16] <tbr281> i know this isn't the channel for this but it does this as well with amarok
[04:16] <tbr281> but with amarok everything goes smooth
[04:16] <tbr281> untill unmount
[04:17] <DGH1973> hmm, sorry I don't have an ipod to test with, I have seen a similar issue with other removable devices though, usually only after I've copied over a lot of stuff though
[04:18] <tbr281> i'll give your suggestion a go
[04:19] <DGH1973> ok, if it doesn't seem to help I don't know where to go from there aside from google sorry to say, maybe someone else can chime in
[04:19] <Werenerd> Well, I just tried out the new version of Kubuntu and the latest KDE openSUSE. Anyone besides me underwhelmed with the overall feel of KDE4?
[04:20] <DGH1973> I'm a little disappointed by the performance of the plasmoids (seem a little sluggish) and overall the window decorations are pretty but qt4 doesn't seem to be all that visually stunning
[04:21] <DGH1973> but I do like what they've done with the simplification
[04:21] <tbr281> yes
[04:21] <Werenerd> DGH1973: the KDE control panel applet still stinks IMO too
[04:21] <DGH1973> almost like they are pushing aside clutter and meeting gnome half way in terms of trying to balance simplicity with features
[04:21] <DGH1973> Werenerd: yeah, it's very reminiscent of the mac system prefs now
[04:22] <DGH1973> I have to say, it's WAY better than it was in kde2/3 though
[04:22] <Werenerd> DGH1973: that is it exactly!
[04:22] <DGH1973> man I remember hunting through prefs for like hours in older versions of KDE, it was plain sadistic
[04:22] <Werenerd> DGH1973: woah there fellah. You like that control panel better than the KDE 3.X control center?
[04:23] <DGH1973> I used to be a big gnome fan but I'm enjoying kde4 enough now to switch
[04:23] <Werenerd> DGH1973: lol, I like all those options!
[04:23] <DGH1973> well, I think the last time I used kde was in 2 version, so maybe I'm not remembering 3 entirely
[04:23] <Werenerd> I like the look for gnome, but I need the options that KDE allows
[04:24] <Werenerd> What was tbr281;s issue?
[04:24] <DGH1973> yeah that's funny, I was just re-reading Linus' little flamewar with the gnome devs about lacking features and assumptions he didn't agree with
[04:24] <DGH1973> Werenerd: he had a prob with an ipod not ejecting/unmounting I think
[04:24] <Werenerd> DGH1973: he's a great one for starting flame war threads
[04:25] <Werenerd> With amarok?
[04:25] <DGH1973> yeah, he said it was fine in amarok until he tried to unmount it
[04:25] <Ashex> I setup global hotkeys for mpd using khotkeys
[04:25] <Ashex> the play/pause works
[04:25] <Ashex> but nothing else does that I mapped
[04:25] <DGH1973> nice Ashex!
[04:25] <Werenerd> tbr281: you still in here?
[04:26] <Ashex> looking at the output of khotkeys, for some reason it doesn't read the rest of the shortcuts I made
[04:26] <Ashex> any idea on why it isn't picking them up?
[04:26] <DGH1973> bummer on other stuff though, hmm not sure on that
[04:26] <cardonfry> Excuse me would anyone mind answering a question for me?
[04:26] <Werenerd> !ask
[04:26] <DGH1973> fire away cardonfry
[04:26] <Ahmuck> hi.  does 8.10 use pulseaudio or alsa ?
[04:27] <tbr281> yes
[04:27] <tbr281> Werenerd,
[04:27] <Werenerd> tbr281: what model/generation iPod is the issue with?
[04:27] <cardonfry> Is there any program that works with KDE that will allow me to run programs made in Visual Basic?
[04:27] <writher_> Hello, is it at all possible to use MPlayerthumbs to display thumbnails of videos in Dolphin while still using VLC as the default media player?
[04:29] <izzyb_> DGH1973, I think maybe an issue with the Hardware Drivers applet.  I think when it was done the first time it didn't update the window correctly and I clicked the activate button a second time thinking it didn't work.  when I activated it the second time, I noticed the activate button changes to deactivate so maybe I deactivated it with the second click
[04:29] <Ashex> really fast question
[04:29] <Ashex> all kde settings are in .kde and not .kde4
[04:29] <Ahmuck> cardonfry leave or get kicked?
[04:29] <Ashex> right?
[04:29] <DGH1973> izzyb_ ahh I see, it it working better now for you?
[04:29] <Werenerd> Ashex: in 8.10 that is true yes
[04:29] <Ashex> Werenerd, oh good
[04:29] <izzyb_> I have a new problem now though.  I was trying to activate twinview but the second display couldn't handle the same resolutions as the first so I swapped it out, but now it doesn't detect my second display
[04:30] <Ashex> I tried kde4 back in april so I had the .kde4
[04:30] <DGH1973> Ashex: right, just confirmed that myself working with izzyb_ there
[04:30] <Ashex> I just deleted it since it doesn't look like intrepid touched it
[04:30] <izzyb_> I've restarted x and even rebooted but that didn't fix it
[04:30] <Ashex> okay, cool
[04:30] <tbr281> ipod video 1g
[04:30] <Ashex> just had to be sure
[04:30] <Werenerd> Ashex: eehh, I don't know how good. You better be sure you don't want to rever to kde 3.X. might not be able to
[04:30] <tbr281> Werenerd, sorry for the lag
[04:31] <Ashex> Werenerd, I removed .kde4, .kde is still there
[04:31] <Werenerd> tbr281: np
[04:32] <cardonfry> Umm to anyone that answered my question would you mind repeating as my computer crashed right after I sent it.
[04:32] <Werenerd> tbr281: have you used this ipod with amarok before and this is a recent development or are you a first time amarok and this player user?
[04:32] <DGH1973> wb cardonfry, I was going to tell you to look into monodevelop type stuff, mono related things are going to be what allows you to work with .net style vb apps in linux
[04:32] <cardonfry> Ok thankyou very much. ^^
[04:32] <izzyb_> oh, nm, looks like the reboot did fix it.
[04:32] <DGH1973> if you can do it at all... actually nevermind, you want to run the programs?
[04:32] <cardonfry> Yes
[04:32] <tbr281> i used it all the time before upgrading to 8.10
[04:32] <DGH1973> if you want to run them you might want to look into WINE + visual basic
[04:33] <Werenerd> holy crap... how the hell did the 700 club get on my TV? Die Die Die!
[04:33] <cardonfry> I already have WINE so I am guessing that is an extenstion?
[04:33] <DGH1973> wine is your windows api implimentation, you can try installing it off the bat and do "wine /path/to/exe" and give it a shot
[04:34] <tbr281> how well does wine run on 8.10 btw?
[04:34] <cardonfry> Would I also be able to just right click and go open with WINE?
[04:34] <DGH1973> no guarantees on success though cardonfry, it's a little touch and go with some things and you may need to install the runtimes through wine to, "wine /path/to/installer.exe"
[04:35] <DGH1973> let me check the default file associations cardonfry
[04:35] <Werenerd> tbr281: i didn't get that far with 8.10, is amarok 2.0 or still 1.4x
[04:35] <cardonfry> Thankyou for helping me DGH
[04:36] <DGH1973> cardonfry: check out the advanced tab in your system prefs, then go to file associations, from there you can search for "exe" and it will pull up a couple of mime-types related to that
[04:36] <kabotage> ummm how do you record audios from shoutcast?
[04:36] <Ahmuck> streamripper
[04:36] <DGH1973> if you don't have any applications listed in the lower right corner, you should be able to add the path to wine in there
[04:37] <Ashex> bah
[04:37] <Ashex> now none of the shortcuts work
[04:37] <DGH1973> then just clicking on an exe should attempt to open it with wine for you
[04:37] <tbr281> my bad still using 1.4
[04:37] <kabotage> ummm streamripper?
[04:37] <tbr281> 2.0 beta's suck ass
[04:38] <DGH1973> Ashex: doh! sensitive syntax in setting up khotkey events? haven't played with that to much
[04:38] <Ashex> DGH1973, I was using the input actions tool in system settings
[04:38] <Ashex> I'm going to try using the shortcuts reported by xev instead of what system settings detects
[04:39] <DGH1973> Ashex: right, that stuff looks downright freaky! hehe... it can be pretty powerful though, I remember messing around with that in earlier versions of kde to trigger dcop events and stuff - it's pretty cool
[04:40]  * tbr281 pokes Werenerd in the eye
[04:42] <Werenerd> tbr281: do this for me... close out of amarok. then open your konsole and launch amarok that way. mount the ipod transfer a song then unmount. let me know if there is any info in the konsole
[04:43] <lavacano201014> What's the command for the System Settings window?
[04:43] <lavacano201014> And incidentally, are we on KDE4 now?
[04:43] <DGH1973> for 8.10, yeah
[04:44] <Werenerd> tbr281: i should have asked, you are using kde right? Not amarok under gnome?
[04:44] <tbr281> kde4
[04:44] <Ashex> bah
[04:44] <Ashex> I changed it to use another key and it works now
[04:44] <DGH1973> lavacano201014: it's "systemsettings"
[04:44] <Werenerd> ok, konsole it is
[04:44] <lavacano201014> DGH1973: ty
[04:44] <tbr281> ok, gimme a sec
[04:44] <DGH1973> lavacano201014: anytime
[04:45] <izzyb> is there a known issue with the kde4 background only showing up in one window when using twinview?
[04:46] <izzyb> I can move windows to the other display, but there's no background and plasma widgets can't be seen when dragged there
[04:47] <DGH1973> izzyb: yeah, looks like it... here's one example http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/linux-newbie/114453-kde4-desktop-widget-issues-2.html
[04:47] <DGH1973> here's another: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=772140
[04:47] <cardonfry> It still won't run the program.
[04:48] <Werenerd> car
[04:48] <Werenerd> cardonfry: what program is it?
[04:48] <DGH1973> cardonfry: does it complain about anything that might give an indication? try in a console to to capture the output maybe
[04:48] <cardonfry> It is a bot I programed in VB6
[04:49] <Werenerd> cardonfry: a bot? for what?
[04:49] <DGH1973> Werenerd: I wonder if he might need to install VB runtimes within wine? not sure what kind of vb support it has out of the box
[04:49] <cardonfry> gaiaonline.com
[04:50] <tbr281> Werenerd, nothing happened in the console
[04:50] <Werenerd> lol... gaiaonline.com - Be the Real You. And it shows a mermaid. thats funny
[04:50] <Werenerd> tbr281: no errors?
[04:51] <cardonfry> I sell the in game gold I make to friends
[04:51] <Werenerd> cardonfry: that is so far out of my realm of experience I have no idea how to help you. sorry
[04:51] <DGH1973> cardonfry: you can try downloading the runtimes and then executing that through wine, and try installing with all the defaults
[04:52] <DGH1973> or if they are zipped and you know where they need to live, you should have a .wine/C_drive folder in your home dir? something like that... a path that will correspond to C: within wine
[04:53] <DGH1973> it may be that it just needs the vb6 runtimes... but like I said before, using wine can be touch and go with some things
[04:53] <tbr281> Werenerd,  all i see is "cannot paint null pixmap" and amarok's "post disconnect command failed" message
[04:54] <cardonfry> Well I heard that programs like REALbasic or Kbasic are compatible but when ever I try to install them I get errors.
[04:54] <Werenerd> brb
[04:54] <DGH1973> ahh tbr28: I just googled that last bit and found this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=619615&page=11
[04:54] <DGH1973> give it a read and see if it might help, has to do with amarok and ipod classic, may be right up your alley
[04:56] <kboontoo> hello
[04:56] <DGH1973> tbr281: after reading it it doesn't seem to be all that informative, something to do with libgpod?
[04:56] <kboontoo> good morning in Europ :)
[04:57] <kboontoo> is here anybody alive ?
[04:58] <Werenerd> tbr281: cannot paint pixmaps sounds like a missing icon casuing an error. That is more along a gnome error. weird
[04:58] <Werenerd> tbr281: try this. close out amarok and back in konsole, run amarok as root and repeat the process
[04:58] <tbr281> i'll pm you
[04:59] <DGH1973> cardonfry: did you try this link by chance? looks like a binary installer from their site: http://www.kbasic.com/installer_kbasic_professional_linux.bin
[04:59] <kboontoo> can i get jus a min of your time pls :)
[04:59] <kboontoo> i'v fck my /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:59] <kboontoo> can somebody coppy me his
[04:59] <kboontoo> :))
[04:59] <izzyb_> DGH1973, thanks. looks like I have some more digging to do.  At least I can move normal windows over to the second display for now
[05:00] <DGH1973> hopefully won't require a compile, page that link is on is here: http://www.kbasic.com/doku.php?id=kde
[05:00] <DGH1973> izzyb_ rock! good luck to you
[05:00] <DGH1973> and remember folks, no matter how annoying free software can be it's free!
[05:00] <DGH1973> lol
[05:02] <cardonfry> Yeah I have tried downloading before last time It stoped half way. but I figured out what the error is that I think isn't letting me run the program.
[05:02] <DGH1973> cardonfry: awesome! think it might be workable?
[05:03] <DGH1973> or is it totally hopeless?
[05:03] <DGH1973> wine can be a wonderous thing, or a real pain in the butt... heh
[05:03] <cardonfry> Hopefully It is workable as it is just a missing file I believe
[05:03] <DGH1973> cool
[05:03] <cadaverpimp> OxDeadC0de: Hey
[05:04] <cardonfry> I ran the program in the terminal and I got this error 'err:module:import_dll Library MSVBVM60.DLL (which is needed by L"Z:\\home\\cardonfry\\Documents\\wordbump\\Wordbump.exe") not found'
[05:05] <cardonfry> I know I can find the dll I just can't think of were I would have to put it
[05:08] <Linux_Galore> anyone know why the ATI driver gives me a blank (black) screen were the login screen is supposed to be ?  Card = HD4850
[05:09] <Linux_Galore> Im on Intrepid
[05:09] <Linux_Galore> forums say the HD4850 should be working but it isnt
[05:10] <Linux_Galore> tried reinstalling the ati package, nothing
[05:10] <DGH_1973> not sure Linux_Galore, hunting around online but it looks like other folks aren't having an issue with that card
[05:11] <Linux_Galore> the xorg.log tells me the driver is getting stuck at some DRM section
[05:11] <DGH_1973> was it working at one point before or is this a fresh install?
[05:11] <DGH_1973> Linux_Galore: ahh that's a good clue
[05:11] <DGH_1973> hang on a sec
[05:12] <Linux_Galore> it "once" worked last month for a day then then an update came in and that was the end of that
[05:13] <Linux_Galore> s/then//
[05:13] <Linux_Galore> radeon driver works fine
[05:14] <Linux_Galore> but no 2D or 3D so KDE 4 is a very limiting experience
[05:14] <DGH_1973> Linux_Galore: doh! that stinks... I found a thread with someone having graphic probs, on ibex with same card... check this out and see if it helps any: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-919446.html
[05:14] <Rioting_pacifist> Linux_Galore: radeon should support 3D on kde4
[05:14] <Linux_Galore> Rioting_pacifist: doesnt
[05:15] <Linux_Galore> if i turn the effects on nothing happens
[05:15] <DGH_1973> there may be a problem you have to conquer first for it to work properly... hopefully at least
[05:15] <Linux_Galore> when I had the ati driver working for a day all the effects worked
[05:19] <angel> Hola!!!
[05:20] <DGH_1973> heya
[05:20] <cadaverpimp> Hi!
[05:21] <cardonfry> Ok all I think I have to do now is instal flash player 10
[05:23] <DGH1973> cardonfry: crossing my fingers for ya
[05:24] <DGH1973> lemme know if you get it to work and tell us how, maybe this is logged online and someone else can take advantage of your heavy lifting! ;0
[05:25] <cardonfry> OK now I am getting an error trying to install adobe flash player 10...
[05:25] <cardonfry> I tried downloading the deb it didn't work so now I ma trying the .tar.gz
[05:27] <DGH1973> cardonfry: shoot, what happened when you tried installing the deb?
[05:29] <DGH1973> you need the full player or just the browser plugin?
[05:30] <cardonfry> Well I need the ocx that comes with it
[05:30] <DGH1973> prob full player right? you can get plugin and other goodies with kubuntu-restricted-extras package, prob already know that though
[05:30] <cardonfry> the ocx is called 'Flash9f.ocx
[05:31] <cardonfry> Actually every time I try to install updates once it finishes my computer crashes thats what made it crash last time it went through over 150 updates
[05:32] <DGH1973> can't vouch for this link (looks a little hoaky to me personally) but this might be legit: http://www.afreeocx.com/ocx/info/flash9f_ocx.html
[05:32] <DGH1973> cardonfry: did you do a clean install of ibex or an upgrade?
[05:32] <cardonfry> well the plus of installing from the adobe site is I won't have to figure out were to put it
[05:32] <DGH1973> right understood
[05:33] <cardonfry> I did the updates through 'Adept Updater'
[05:33] <DGH1973> I mean like did you do a kubuntu dist upgrade to get to 8.10 or did you install fresh?
[05:34] <cardonfry> All I really know is that I installed Kubuntu KDE from Wubi so not sure what that would be under
[05:34] <DGH1973> were you running 8.04 kubuntu previously? sometimes that can lead to issues, but don't know of anything specifically per se
[05:34] <DGH1973> that's probably ok then
[05:34] <cardonfry> nope first time installing Kubuntu on this computer normally used CD's bbut decided to finally install it.
[05:36] <cardonfry> What should I use to install .deb files I tried using Gdebi package installer but it didn't work
[05:36] <DGH1973> you can try it on the command line
[05:36] <DGH1973> dpkg... let me check specifics for ya
[05:36] <cardonfry> Thankyou.
[05:37] <DGH1973> dpkg -i /path/to/pkg.deb
[05:38] <DGH1973> or -r to remove something, but with that you use the generic package name (same as it appears in adept or apt-cache)
[05:39] <tbr281> Werenerd, thnx for the link
[05:39] <tbr281> i finally got it unmounted
[05:39] <DGH1973> kboontoo: you still need a sources.list? missed you earlier
[05:40] <kboontoo> yes
[05:40] <DGH1973> ok one sec
[05:40] <tbr281> looked over that page and it was "sudo eject dev/sdc2
[05:40] <tbr281> "
[05:41] <DGH1973> kboontoo: attempting a DCC send of mine
[05:42] <cardonfry> When I try to install from command line I get this error '
[05:42] <cardonfry> cardonfry@ubuntu:~$ sudo dpkg -i /home/cardonfry/Documents/install_flash_player_10_linux.deb
[05:42] <cardonfry> [sudo] password for cardonfry:
[05:42] <cardonfry> dpkg: error processing /home/cardonfry/Documents/install_flash_player_10_linux.deb (--install):
[05:42] <cardonfry>  package architecture (i386) does not match system (amd64)
[05:42] <cardonfry> Errors were encountered while processing:
[05:42] <cardonfry>  /home/cardonfry/Documents/install_flash_player_10_linux.deb
[05:42] <cardonfry> cardonfry@ubuntu:~$
[05:42] <DGH1973> ahh
[05:42] <kboontoo> DGH1973: failed :(
[05:42] <DGH1973> you have the 64 bit of kubuntu...
[05:42] <kboontoo> no
[05:43] <DGH1973> sorry kboontoo, was replying to cardonfry
[05:43] <kboontoo> but can i use that one for 64 ...
[05:43] <DGH1973> here kboontoo, let me distill the contents for you here and hope I don't get DC'd for flooding lol
[05:43] <cardonfry> I am guessing I need 32 bit?
[05:43] <DGH1973> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ intrepid main restricted
[05:43] <DGH1973> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ intrepid-updates main restricted
[05:43] <DGH1973> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ intrepid universe
[05:43] <DGH1973> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ intrepid-updates universe
[05:44] <DGH1973> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ intrepid multiverse
[05:44] <DGH1973> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ intrepid-updates multiverse
[05:44] <DGH1973> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu intrepid-security main restricted
[05:44] <DGH1973> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu intrepid-security universe
[05:44] <DGH1973> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu intrepid-security multiverse
[05:44] <DGH1973> sorry for flood there all , copy that kboontoo
[05:44] <Werenerd> tbr281: thats great man, gload to hear that
[05:44] <kboontoo> ok
[05:44] <kboontoo> is thats it :)
[05:44] <DGH1973> cardonfry: yeah, unless you can find a 64bit version of flash for linux, there might be some stuff on google about installing flash 10 32bit on a 64bit system
[05:44] <DGH1973> kboontoo: yep
[05:44] <dig> cardonfry: will double click the .deb help?
[05:44] <DGH1973> you can get by with that
[05:45] <kboontoo> ok
[05:45] <kboontoo> thanks man
[05:45] <Leander256> DGH1973, you could use http://paste.ubuntu.com/ for that
[05:45] <cardonfry> dig: No the file is for 32 and I have 64 bit.
[05:45] <DGH1973> cardonfry: you can run the 32 bit version on an amd64 system (I am)
[05:46] <dig> if they have a 64bit version, better try that
[05:46] <Linux_Galore> heres a question, when anyone types dpkg -L libgl1-mesa-glx|grep libGL  do they get two different libgl libs one is 1.2 the other 1 ?
[05:46] <cardonfry> Thats what I am going to google.
[05:46] <DGH1973> either will work, but some things aren't quite up to par on 64bit support
[05:46] <Awatto> Where do I configure my ipod in amarok 2? Can't seem to connect it.
[05:46] <DGH1973> there should be a 32bit library package to
[05:47] <DGH1973> so you can have 32bit support on a 64bit system
[05:47] <Linux_Galore> Awatto: hold on a sec I use an ipod and amarok
[05:47] <Leander256> there's no 64 bit version of flash, not even for windows
[05:47] <Awatto> Linux_Galore: specifically Amarok 2. I can get it working in 1.4.
[05:47] <cardonfry> Yeah but you can run 32 bit on 64 bit if you know how I think.
[05:47] <DGH1973> cardonfry: look into supporting 32bit software on 64bit kubuntu then, sounds like that's your only hope
[05:47] <DGH1973> should be doable with supporting packages IIRC
[05:48] <Linux_Galore> Awatto: in amarok, top of window  settings->configure amarok
[05:48] <Linux_Galore> Awatto: click on the media devices icon
[05:49] <Linux_Galore> Awatto: aah yes, 2 os still beta
[05:49] <cardonfry> Ok foiund a possible solution.
[05:49] <Linux_Galore> is*
[05:49] <cardonfry> found*
[05:49] <DGH1973> rock
[05:49] <Leander256> cardonfry, look for flashplugin-nonfree package in your package manager, it will also install the needed packages to run it on a 64 bit system (at least that's what I got ;) )
[05:49] <Linux_Galore> Awatto: I find you have to put the full path in
[05:50] <DGH1973> Leander256: he's actually got an interesting situation he's working on, supporting a vb6 program he wrote - I guess it has a flash component required from the player to cardonfry? Sounds like some interesting stuff!
[05:50] <Awatto> I can't even find media device on Amarok 2 beta 3. I just wasn't sure if it was hidden somewhere or if it isn't supported in the beta..
[05:51] <Linux_Galore> Awatto: use the full path for the device  is  /media/name-of-ipod
[05:51] <DGH1973> I think he's got his program running for the most part, but he needs a component from the full flash application
[05:51] <Linux_Galore> s/is/ie/
[05:52] <Linux_Galore> Awatto: plug the ipod in then open it in a file browser,   then  type ls /media/   see what the name is
[05:52] <cardonfry> My program runs perfectly on windows but I rather use Kubuntu
[05:52] <Awatto> Linux_Galore: Its not a matter of how to configure it, its a matter of where.
[05:52] <DGH1973> cardonfry: can't blame you one bit ;)
[05:52] <Linux_Galore> Awatto: just told you how to find were
[05:52] <cardonfry> Great I have to convert rom files to .deb files
[05:53] <cardonfry> rom should be rpm*
[05:53] <DGH1973> cardonfry: you know about alien? you can try that
[05:53] <cardonfry> I have alien
[05:53] <Awatto> Linux_Galore: I can't find the media devices section though, so where do you want me to put the full path?
[05:53] <Linux_Galore> Awatto: every ipod has a different name so the path varies
[05:53] <DGH1973> decent package converter, kind of like wine though, may not always work from my experience :(
[05:54] <Linux_Galore> Awatto: plug the ipod in then mount it,  then look on the  /media/  directory
[05:54] <Linux_Galore> in*
[05:54] <kboontoo> DGH1973:
[05:54] <DGH1973> yo
[05:54] <Linux_Galore> Awatto:  /media   is the full path but not the device path
[05:54] <Awatto> Linux_Galore: yes, and then?
[05:55] <kboontoo> iv try to edit source.list via pico editor ... but " Error writing sources.list: Permission denied "
[05:55] <Linux_Galore> Awatto: now you should see you ipod in the media file,  thus you path in the amarok setup is  /media/ipod-name
[05:55] <DGH1973> ahh try it with sudo kboontoo, on command line it's "sudo editor /etc/apt/sources.lst"
[05:56] <DGH1973> if it asks for password type yours in
[05:56] <Awatto> Linux_Galore: yes, the problem is there is no place to set it up that I can find.
[05:56] <Linux_Galore> Awatto: I dont know the name of your ipod thus I cant tell you the path for amarok
[05:56] <kboontoo> ok
[05:56] <DGH1973> Awatto: you have libgpod installed?
[05:58] <Awatto> DGH1973: libgpod3-nogtk, is that sufficient?
[05:58] <nitin> i am having problem with my cpu fan. it rotates at 750 rpm. is it faulty?
[05:58] <DGH1973> Awatto: sounds right yeah
[05:58] <Awatto> :-\
[05:58] <cardonfry> How do I do this
[05:58] <DGH1973> amorok 2 is still in beta I believe? I wonder if something is up with their ipod support in that version...
[05:58] <cardonfry> cardonfry@ubuntu:~$ sudo alien -d /home/cardonfry/Desktop/nspluginwrapper-1.0.0- 1.x86_64.rpm
[05:58] <cardonfry> Warning: Skipping conversion of scripts in package nspluginwrapper: postinst pre rm
[05:58] <cardonfry> Warning: Use the --scripts parameter to include the scripts.
[05:58] <cardonfry> nspluginwrapper_1.0.0-2_amd64.deb generated
[05:59] <DGH1973> sounds like you got it there
[05:59] <DGH1973> is the deb file it made any good?
[05:59] <cardonfry> Ok just wasn't sure about scripts
[06:00] <DGH1973> they may lead to probs cardonfry, but it can depend on the rpm, what kinds of things it tries to do with the pre/post install scripts via rpm
[06:00] <cardonfry> Gah! can't find the .deb file
[06:00] <DGH1973> doh! not in same dir you ran command in?
[06:01] <cardonfry> I ran it on desktop and I don't see it
[06:01] <Werenerd> hey, anyone mind passing me the default wallpaper for kubuntu 8.10? I kinda like it
[06:02] <DGH1973> Let me track it down Werenerd
[06:03] <Werenerd> DGH1973: thanks
[06:03] <cardonfry> Ok yeah don't think it wants to become a .deb file.
[06:04] <Leander256> but the deb file is available on sone repository
[06:05] <Leander256> *some
[06:05] <Linux_Galore> looks like the radeon driver doesnt work with the 4850/70 properly yet and 3D and compiz is a no go
[06:07] <TheSarge> wow im a gnome user but after seeing what yiu guys did in intrepid, im switching, that is sick.
[06:07] <Linux_Galore> hope amd release a new catalyst driver soon
[06:07] <TheSarge> you
[06:07] <DGH1973> TheSarge: yeah I'm kind of hooked on kde4 myself
[06:08] <Leander256> cardonfry, the packages are available on multiverse
[06:08] <TheSarge> the desktop alone is amazing
[06:08] <TheSarge> i love the transparency
[06:08]  * Linux_Galore wait till 9.04 comes out
[06:08] <Devourer> Upgrading from 8.04 to 8.10 is not working. I'm following the instructions on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IntrepidUpgrades/Kubuntu but step 6 never happens.
[06:08] <Linux_Galore> should knock your socks off
[06:09] <TheSarge> so to switch i just ned to do apt-get install kubuntu?
[06:09] <TheSarge> that will give me intrepid?
[06:10] <DGH1973> TheSarge: I believe so, it may actually be kubuntu-desktop
[06:10] <TheSarge> sweet
[06:10] <DGH1973> TheSarge: wait, are you running 8.10 already, just the standard gnome version?
[06:10] <dig> Linux_Galore: Switch between kwin & compiz will cause the tool bar will cause alignment errors in my case
[06:11] <DGH1973> TheSarge: if you are running 8.04 that will still get you kde 3
[06:11] <TheSarge> how do i do it then?
[06:11] <DGH1973> kde4 is new to kubuntu 8.10 only
[06:11] <TheSarge> aw
[06:11] <Linux_Galore> dig: konqueror crashes when ktorrent saves a download for me
[06:11] <Devourer> DGH1973, I'm using KDE4 on 8.04.
[06:11] <DGH1973> you can try a dist-upgrade via the update tool, but in all honesty I'd recommend a clean install
[06:12] <Linux_Galore> dig: effects are a total no go right now
[06:12] <DGH1973> Devourer: nice, was it a straight forward package install?
[06:12] <TheSarge> lol im not doing a clean install
[06:12] <Devourer> DGH1973, yeah. I think. I forgot.
[06:12] <TheSarge> i guess i just cant have kde4
[06:12] <Devourer> TheSarge, you can. There is a package somewhere.
[06:12] <dig> Linux_Galore: ya
[06:13] <Devourer> But.. I'd like to know how to upgrade from 8.04 to 8.10... https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IntrepidUpgrades/Kubuntu is not working for me.
[06:13] <Linux_Galore> dig: got all this shiny (and expensive) new hardware and I cant even get the fun bits working until ATi gives us a new driver
[06:14] <cardonfry> A new ATI driver?
[06:14] <DGH1973> Devourer: where are you running in to probs?
[06:14] <cardonfry> Gah I want to go onto my windows boot to install it now. XD
[06:14] <Devourer> DGH1973, step 6... it never happens.
[06:14] <Linux_Galore> cardonfry: yes, the one in the repo isnt designed to work with the new xserver or new cards
[06:14] <QContinueum> after upgrading to 8.10, the "stop" and "raise volume" key on my multimedia keyboard are being detected as the same thing... this was not the case in 8.04. Any suggestions?
[06:15] <Devourer> DGH1973, I'll hit Finish and then the thing doesn't come up... it just goes back to showing me Adept Manager... and sits there.
[06:16] <cardonfry> The one thing I have about Linux, I am never get a download higher then 300KB/s
[06:16] <Linux_Galore> cardonfry: I get over 2mb/s all the time
[06:16] <QContinueum> cardonfry: i've had dls go as fast as ~550KB/s or so
[06:16] <Devourer> DGH1973, I guess I'm not running the KDE4 Remix though...
[06:16] <cardonfry> On my windows boot I can get past 500KB/s
[06:16] <cardonfry> hmmm Most my downloads are under 100KB/s or less then 1KB/s
[06:17] <Linux_Galore> cardonfry: some net cards work better than others I find with Linux
[06:17] <cardonfry> Well then again my computer is desperate for an upgrade in ram
[06:17] <Linux_Galore> intel, real  nics work fine
[06:18] <cardonfry> I also need a new graphics card and such
[06:18] <DGH1973> Devourer: apologies, not sure about your problem
[06:18] <Devourer> DGH1973, it's ok... is there a commandline way to upgrade?
[06:18] <Linux_Galore> cardonfry: Gigabye EP45 mobo's work fine
[06:19] <Linux_Galore> Gigabyte*
[06:19] <DGH1973> Devourer: yeah, you should be able to try "sudo apt-get --dist-upgrade"
[06:20] <Devourer> I'll do that then.
[06:20] <Devourer> DGH1973, it spits this back at me. "E: Sense dist is not understood, try true or false."
[06:21] <DGH1973> whoa...
[06:22] <DGH1973> ahh my bad Devourer
[06:22] <Devourer> ?
[06:22] <DGH1973> no --, just apt-get dist-upgrade
[06:22] <Devourer> Oh. Lol.
[06:22] <DGH1973> sorry
[06:23] <cardonfry> Woot downloading flash right now but it will take a while as it has to get libs
[06:23] <Devourer> DGH1973, it says "0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded."
[06:24] <DGH1973> hmm
[06:24] <Devourer> Whatever... I'll worry about it later.
[06:25] <DGH1973> Devourer: what does your /etc/issue file say?
[06:25] <DGH1973> ahh ok nvm then
[06:26] <cardonfry> Ok I give up... I will just ask my friend if he gets on tomarrow since I know he runs his VB programs on kubuntu
[06:27] <QContinueum> is there a utility that will let me see which keys kubuntu believes i'm pressing?
[06:27] <DGH1973> cardonfry: heh sorry man, sounds like you gave it a decent attempt at least
[06:28] <cardonfry> And all because I can't figure out were I am suppose to put Flash9f.ocx
[06:29] <cardonfry> Like I am not sure if I put it in lib32 or lib64 or even if it goes in either
[06:33] <dig> !psp > me
[06:33] <zoksz> Would anyone know how to fix this:    make: *** [modules] Error 2????????
[06:33] <mattosai> I'm trying to run the konversation_servers script to get the mirc server list, but it keeps telling me that I need to quit konversation before running it.  However, when I try the script I already have quit konversation from the file menu.  What am I doing wrong?
[06:34] <cardonfry> Cya and thanks again for your help.
[06:34] <DGH_1973> cardonfry: no prob, take care!
[06:34] <DGH_1973> later all, happy hacking
[06:39] <dig> where can I ask question about game/console?
[07:06] <QContinueum> is there a way to alphabetize the search results in the the adept?
[07:51] <gp> i am sick and tired with firefox
[07:51] <gp> it takes 50 to 90% of my cpu usage
[07:54] <amdpox> gp, try another browser then
[07:55] <gp> konqueror sucks too , lots of haevily site doesnt work
[07:55] <gp> i dont understand if works in safari why woudnt it work in konqueror
[08:01] <Linux_Galore> gp: FF 3.0 barely hits 10 percent on my system
[08:01] <sparr> intrepid konqueror seems to have lost most of the features that made me keep using it over darwin.  what happened to file size view, and the top bar with the back/forward/up buttons??
[08:02] <Linux_Galore> sparr: Konqueror and Safari both use webkit, same render engine
[08:03] <sparr> Linux_Galore: ??
[08:03] <sparr> err
[08:03] <sparr> i meant Dolphin, not darwin
[08:03] <sparr> sorry
[08:04] <Linux_Galore> sparr: both browsers use the same core engine for rendering web pages
[08:04] <Linux_Galore> Dolphin is a file browser
[08:04] <sparr> so is konqueror
[08:04] <Linux_Galore> its not a browser
[08:05] <Linux_Galore> sparr: yes but konqueror is mainly a browser with some basic file management abilities
[08:05] <sparr> basic my ass
[08:05] <sparr> up until hardy, konqueror was a very powerful file browser with many features that dolphin does not have...  it seems to have been crippled in intrepid
[08:05] <sparr> now i dont have the features i need in konqueror OR dolphin.
[08:06] <Linux_Galore> sparr: when you read the file management abilities of Dolphin then put them against Konqueror there is a big difference in features, your problem is you are not familiar with Dolphin thus you keep trying to use it as konqueror
[08:06] <sparr> how do i get anything like konqueror's File Size View in dolphin?
[08:06] <sparr> or in konqueror, for that matter, since it seems to have been removed
[08:06] <Linux_Galore> sparr: change you view
[08:06] <sparr> to?
[08:06] <Linux_Galore> same as konqueror
[08:07] <sparr> View > View Mode > File Size View
[08:07] <sparr> this is missing in dolphin.  and now in konqueror.
[08:07] <Linux_Galore> sparr: I see the file sizes in Dolphin
[08:08] <sparr> http://ninja-assassins.com/linux/screenshots/konqueror-filesize-view.png
[08:08] <sparr> that
[08:08] <Linux_Galore> sparr: ok, right click on the "name" section at the top in dolphin. mark "Size"
[08:08] <sparr> dolphin doesnt have it, and now konqueror doesnt have it either
[08:08] <Linux_Galore> sparr: follow what I have said, yes it does
[08:08] <sparr> did you even bother clicking the link?
[08:08] <sparr> im not talking about the size column
[08:09] <Linux_Galore> sparr: yes I have a size column now go read what I posted
[08:09] <sparr> *im not talking about the size column*
[08:09] <sparr> what part of that does not make sense?
[08:09] <sparr> the thing i am talking about has nothing to do with the size column
[08:09] <Linux_Galore> then what specific size do you want
[08:09] <sparr> http://ninja-assassins.com/linux/screenshots/konqueror-filesize-view.png
[08:10] <sparr> that
[08:10] <Linux_Galore> sparr: lol, you have to be kidding, no one used that
[08:10] <Linux_Galore> sparr: also it renders like crap on large folders so they dumped it
[08:10] <sparr> great
[08:11] <sparr> i have third party apps on windows and mac to do it
[08:11] <sparr> guess i have to go download something for linux now
[08:11] <sparr> kde is turning into gnome.  ditching features because most users dont need them.
[08:11] <Linux_Galore> sparr: you can add a plugin ffs
[08:11] <xanax`> which features sparr ?
[08:12] <sparr> most users dont need to access a VPN.  great reason to not have support for them in kde 4
[08:12] <sparr> nobody uses 800x600 resolution, we might as well get rid of that too [this one is sarcasm]
[08:12] <Linux_Galore> sparr: actually lots of people use vpn
[08:12] <Crell> Hi all.  I am preparing to do a fresh install of Kubuntu 8.10 on my laptop.  I'm debating between the 32 and 64 bit editions.  Are there any guidelines as to when it's safe to go 64 bit with it?
[08:12] <sparr> i agree.  i use one every day.  which is why i have to run gnome in intrepid, since kde 4 doesnt offer VPN access
[08:13] <Crell> My server is running 64 bit just fine, but I understand there's still some stuff that doesn't quite work properly in 64 bit, esp. things like Flash, or OOo, or Wine.
[08:13] <sparr> Crell: i would seriously suggest 8.04
[08:13] <Linux_Galore> sparr: ?? vpn is UI agnostic
[08:14] <sparr> Linux_Galore: i am not *quite* savvy enough to set up my VPN connections at a console using vpnc.  kde 3 has a gui for them.  gnome [all versions] has a gui for them.
[08:14] <Crell> sparr: It's already running 8.04, actually.  But it's developed assorted issues that I would rather not fix only to replace again with a new system shortly afterward.
[08:14] <edgy> Crell: AFAIK things like flash OOo and wine runs smoothly now in 64-bit systems
[08:15] <sparr> Crell: i would suggest re-installing 8.04 and waiting for 9.04 to upgrade.
[08:15] <Crell> edgy: Ah, good to know.  Is there anything that doesn't?
[08:15] <Linux_Galore> sparr: DUH, KDE 4 is still new thus lots of stuff havent been ported over, if you wanted all the clicky stuff you should have swapped stayed with 8.03
[08:15] <Linux_Galore> 8.04*
[08:15] <Crell> sparr: Why?
[08:15] <sparr> Crell: see above
[08:15] <sparr> no one told me, i got hosed.
[08:15] <sparr> im trying to help you not make the mistake i did
[08:15] <edgy> Crell: I don't know of any know out of my head, even skype and java works
[08:15] <Linux_Galore> sparr: no, you didnt read up
[08:15] <Crell> Well, I do want to switch over to KDE 4.
[08:15] <Linux_Galore> sparr: I knew
[08:16] <sparr> Crell: i thought i did too, until i realized how unfinished it is
[08:16] <Crell> I held back on 4.0 because I knew it wasn't ready.  4.1 from what I heard is more complete.
[08:16] <sparr> Crell: half the widgets i used to have on my panel dont exist as plasmoids, and im talking about basic stuff like cpu monitor and program launchers.
[08:16] <Linux_Galore> sparr: the problem though with KDE 3.10 is all the new stuff is on KDE 4 now
[08:16] <sparr> Crell: there's no gui for VPN connections, and the normal-networking GUI elements are broken
[08:17] <Crell> I haven't gotten VPN working on my KDE 3 anyway.
[08:17] <sparr> Crell: konqueror has taken a few steps backwards in stability and functionality, and dolphin is not even close to a worthy replacement yet
[08:17] <Linux_Galore> wait for 9.04, it will take a good 6-8 months to move all the software over
[08:17] <Linux_Galore> even with Vista after a year lots of stuff hasnt been moved over yet
[08:18] <Crell> Linux_Galore: Are you suggesting I do so or sparr does so?
[08:18] <sparr> Crell: next week when youre in here asking the same questions i've been for a week, and people are telling you "tough cookies, you shouldn't have upgraded" (like ive been told a dozen times now), don't say i didn't warn you
[08:18] <Crell> You're so optimistic. :-)
[08:19] <Linux_Galore> Crell: depends, I like new stuff so I went with kde but I also know my way around the command line so Im not dependent on graphical tools, if you want clicky setup tools stick with 8.04
[08:19] <Linux_Galore> s/kde/kde 4/
[08:19] <sparr> this machine is due for a reinstall, it's been upgraded a few too many times now, i will either be installing kubuntu 8.04 or ubuntu 8.10
[08:19] <Crell> I like graphical tools for most things, but I'm also command line comfortable for many things.
[08:19] <Crell> I haven't gotten a VPN working one way or another. :-)
[08:19] <sparr> i think breezy to intrepid is a good run
[08:20] <Crell> sparr: Yeah, this laptop started on 7.0-4.  That's another reason I want to do a fresh install.
[08:20] <Crell> There's a little cruft in there I don't want to deal with.
[08:20] <sparr> ubuntu doesn't do as well with upgrades as some other debian-based distros
[08:21] <Linux_Galore> what I find is things dont settle down for a while with new releases and it is often wise to wait for patch release ie 8.10-1
[08:21] <sparr> Linux_Galore: what you are saying now is exactly what people said about kde 4.0
[08:21] <sparr> 4.1 is here, still mostly incomplete and horribly frustrating
[08:21] <Linux_Galore> sparr: keep an eye on www.kde-apps.org  there are apps there that you wont see until 9.04
[08:22] <sparr> kubuntu should have waited for 9.04 to switch
[08:22] <Linux_Galore> sparr: not really I wanted kde 4
[08:22] <Linux_Galore> sparr: if you want kde 3 use 8.04
[08:23] <sparr> hardy to intrepid was the most broken-process upgrade ive done yet
[08:23] <Linux_Galore> sparr: also 3.10 has no new apps being made for it
[08:23] <sparr> i had to dist-upgrade and "-f install" 7 times to finish
[08:23] <Linux_Galore> sparr: I always do a fresh install
[08:24] <Linux_Galore> then copy home over
[08:25]  * Crell is backing up his hard drive now. :-)
[08:25] <Crell> I'm taking the laptop to the local LUG install fest tomorrow.
[08:25] <Linux_Galore> sparr: lucky you never used kde 2, that had a fraction of the features of kde 4
[08:26]  * Crell remembers KDE 1.x.
[08:26] <Crell> But only as a vague and distant memory. :-)
[08:26] <metbsd> if i install kubuntu on usb hard disk, will i be able to boot it?
[08:26] <Linux_Galore> I used kde 1.*  those were the days
[08:26] <Linux_Galore> if you didnt know cli you were screwed
[08:27] <Linux_Galore> metbsd: yes
[08:27] <Crell> hehe
[08:29] <sparr> Linux_Galore: i did use kde 2.  that is irrelevant.  my problem is with new versions having less features, especially without some major warning.
[08:30]  * Crell did see major warnings for KDE 4.0.
[08:30] <sparr> new versions should rarely, if ever, lose features.  and when it happens, there should be a giant warning sign before the upgrade
[08:30] <Crell> But then, I'm a Drupal developer so I'm used to there being a lag on new versions. :-)
[08:30] <Linux_Galore> sparr: KDE 3 didnt have the features of KDE 2 either
[08:30] <sparr> i had no idea kde 4 would not have vpn support until i had been using it for a few days and needed to connect to work
[08:30] <Linux_Galore> sparr: takes time to move things over
[08:30] <Linux_Galore> sparr: its the way FOSS works
[08:31] <Crell> Now by no VPN support, do you mean the computer can't connect at all, or there's no GUI for it?
[08:31] <Linux_Galore> sparr: if you dont give people the base system to add to they wont add anything
[08:31] <Crell> I've heard from others that if you pull in the Gnome network panel you can setup a VPN connection that way.
[08:31] <sparr> yes, and that process is why i have a usually-sensible system (the ubuntu package/release maintainers) in between me and the software developers
[08:31] <sparr> Crell: nm-applet will not run under kde 4 because of dbus shenanigans
[08:32] <sparr> nm-applet is the one and only reason i am using gnome right now
[08:32] <Crell> nm-applet?
[08:32] <Linux_Galore> sparr: with any KDE desktop I find it doesnt settle down till around *.4  ie 4.4 should be about right
[08:32] <sparr> nm-applet is the gui for vpn configuration in gnome
[08:33] <sparr> also non-vpn networkin
[08:33] <Crell> Linux_Galore: So is that when you expect KHTML to finally go away in favor of WebKit? :-)
[08:33] <Linux_Galore> Crell: khtml is gone
[08:33] <sparr> Linux_Galore: i concur wholeheartedly.  and i am very angry with the kubuntu maintainers for not agreeing.
[08:33] <Crell> Is it?  I thought it was still kicking around.
[08:34] <Linux_Galore> sparr: so who is going to maintain these two versions of Kubuntu then ??
[08:34] <Linux_Galore> sparr: because thats what you are asking for
[08:34] <sparr> no, it is not
[08:34] <Linux_Galore> sparr: they can barely cover one
[08:34] <sparr> hardy could have had kde 4.0, but it didn't because 4.0 was bad
[08:34] <sparr> intrepid should not have 4.1 for the same reason
[08:35] <Linux_Galore> sparr: kde 4.0 is fine its just not mature
[08:35] <Linux_Galore> sparr: 4.1 works fine for me
[08:35] <Linux_Galore> its does what it does and well
[08:35] <sparr> i can no longer recommend kubuntu to friends/coworkers because of its lack of critical functionality.  i have to give them hardy kubuntu, or ubuntu.
[08:36] <sparr> intrepid is a 2+ year step backwards in "linux on the desktop" readiness
[08:36] <Linux_Galore> sparr: lol, KDE 4.0 is not KDE 3,  bit like expecting Vista to have all the same software as XP on the release day, sorry your in a none reality zone
[08:36] <Linux_Galore> you are*
[08:36] <kkathman> in KDE 4.1 where do you go to turn off the firewall ??
[08:36] <sparr> Linux_Galore: once again, if you bothered to read what i am saying you would not be making non sequitur comments
[08:37] <Linux_Galore> kkathman: you dont if you havent turned it on
[08:37] <sparr> Linux_Galore: i do not expect kde 4.x to be complete now.  i expect the kubuntu devs to not distribute kde 4.x until it is ready.
[08:37] <sparr> they made a sensible choice with 4.0
[08:37] <Linux_Galore> sparr: it is ready
[08:37] <sparr> i say they made a mistake with 4.1
[08:37] <sparr> it is not ready
[08:37] <Linux_Galore> sparr: KDE 4 has nothing to do with add on software
[08:38] <kkathman> Linux_Galore,  well, lets put it this way, when I log in under Ubuntu my SMB shares on my network is great...under Kubuntu however, it complains that the firewall is on
[08:38] <sparr> until it is at least as functional as 3.x then it is not ready
[08:38] <Linux_Galore> sparr: Kubuntu does not support deprecated desktop 3.10 is not developed on anymore
[08:38] <sparr> screw add-on software.  i am talking about basic functions, packaged with kde.  the cpu/memory/swap monitor widget that kde has had for over half a decade, gone in 4.x.  vpn connectivity, gone in 4.x.
[08:39] <sparr> a working ethernet configurator, gone in 4.x
[08:39] <Linux_Galore> sparr: I bet you would complain if Kubuntu has stuck with 3.10 then found out the new VPN version for KDE 4 with some critical security fixes is not available
[08:39] <Linux_Galore> had*
[08:40] <sparr> there is no "vpn version for kde 4"
[08:40] <sparr> there isnt one at all, let alone a new one
[08:40] <Linux_Galore> sparr: have you looked on kde-apps.org yet ?
[08:40] <sparr> yes.  for the relevant app, there are a few mockups, and "wouldnt it be nice if..."
[08:40] <sparr> i dont think it will be finished in 6 months
[08:41] <Crell> Linux_Galore: My one problem with kde-apps.org is that 2/3 of the stuff there you need to compile and setup yourself.
[08:44] <Linux_Galore> sparr: type sudo apt-get install kvpnc
[08:45] <Linux_Galore> took me 10 seconds to "actually find one"
[08:45] <Linux_Galore> god you guys are fsking lazy
[08:46] <Linux_Galore> anyway Im out
[08:46] <kkathman> what a reall jerk
[08:57] <metbsd> i don't know what iso wubi is looking for, i already fed it with kubuntu 8.10 desktop iso
[09:11] <glade88> can kde4.1.3 be installed on hardy? (via deb intrepid main source ppa)
[09:12] <metbsd> how to play rm, rmvb file in kubuntu?
[09:13] <glade88> see real.com/linux
[09:28] <metbsd> my kubuntu booting process halts at ubiquity window
[09:34] <Ovi> In Linux, .rm files are played with the rm command
[09:35] <metbsd> and rmvb?
[09:35] <Ovi> metbsd: It was a joke, read the man page for rm
[10:02] <smart> hi bro/sis ??
[10:08] <sparr> kvpnc has to be run as root
[10:08] <sparr> that is...  undesirable
[10:16] <floown> hello
[10:16] <shreedhar> Hi
[10:16] <hoergen_> aloa
[10:16] <shreedhar> WHAT ???????
[10:16] <floown> how to have a complete services menus in Dolphin?
[10:18]  * ForgeAus shrugs
[10:18] <ForgeAus> I'm not all that good with Dolphin yet
[10:19] <shreedhar>  ForgeAus, why don't U chat with me privately
[10:19] <ForgeAus> I have, a little
[10:25] <CrypTom> Hi all, I'm using Kubuntu 8.10 on a Notebook and would like to get rid of the KDE desktop switching effects. How can I achieve this?
[10:26] <hoergen_> CrypTom: Systemsettings - Desktop - deaktivate Desktop effects
[10:26] <CrypTom> hoergen_: well, I would like to keep some effects
[10:27] <CrypTom> hoergen_: It's just ugly on my notebook to see how slowly it switches desktops
[10:27] <hoergen_> CrypTom: then go to tab all effects and select in detail
[10:27] <CrypTom> hoergen_: ok
[10:27] <CrypTom> hoergen_: Ah, I've just found desktop grid, which I did not recognize at first
[10:28] <hoergen_> ;-)
[10:28] <CrypTom> hoergen_: Switching is a lot better now, but my windows are still ugly after switching (for 1 sec or so)
[10:28] <hoergen_> CrypTom: which graficcard?
[10:29] <CrypTom> hoergen_: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS/GME, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
[10:29] <hoergen_> hhmm
[10:30] <a> k
[10:30] <vlt> Hello. Where can I find still working repository URLs for Kubuntu 6.10 Edgy?
[10:30] <vlt> Is there any archive URL I could use?
[10:30] <hoergen_> CrypTom: maybe you have to deactivate some more effects .. because your card is too slow
[10:30] <CrypTom> hoergen_: ah, when I disable all effects entirely, its back to normal
[10:31] <CrypTom> hoergen_: I'll keep playing with the effects, thanks!
[10:32] <hoergen_> CrypTom: yw
[10:45] <hoergen_> someone here with knowledge about kirc ? I want to deactivate the statuse messages
[10:48] <mozzy> any one had problems with nvidia settings in 8.10
[10:49] <hoergen_> no
[10:49] <mozzy> dual monitors? or one
[10:51] <vlt> Hello. Where can I find still working repository URLs for Kubuntu 6.10 Edgy?
[10:51] <hoergen_> mozzy: one
[10:53] <mozzy> i'll have to look into it - just being lazy really - sure to find somthing on the webtubes
[10:55] <bazhang> vlt, edgy and feisty are end of life
[10:55] <bazhang> !eol
[11:04] <vlt> I found it: deb http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy main restricted
[11:19] <tzd> can someone please help me in locating a packet please? Trying to find any of: QtRuby, Ruby/GTK or Ruby/Tk for kubuntu but none of them seems to exist? Haven't found anything similar either
[11:21] <RurouniJones> packet?
[11:22] <RurouniJones> tzd: you mean package?
[11:22] <tzd> package
[11:22] <tzd> RurouniJones: yes, i never get that one right ;)
[11:23] <RurouniJones> can&t find anything recent
[11:23] <mozzy> found "libqt0-ruby1.8" in Adept says Qt bindings for Ruby
[11:24] <gameplayer> hello
[11:24] <mozzy> could that be the one you want
[11:24] <tzd> ah that one might help... cheers mozzy and RurouniJones
[11:24] <tzd> will have a try at it
[11:24] <SiDi> Hello
[11:24] <RurouniJones> libqt0-ruby1.8-qt4
[11:24] <RurouniJones> Aha, that might be it
[11:24] <RurouniJones> ach, beaten to it
[11:25] <mozzy> mines qt3 - but still on kde 3.5
[11:25] <gameplayer> i've got some problems since the migration from kubuntu 8.04 to 8.10
[11:25] <tzd> yeah im on kde 3 as well so :)
[11:26] <RurouniJones> !ask gameplayer
[11:26] <RurouniJones> !ask | gameplayer
[11:26] <gameplayer> one of them is kopente crashes when i shutdown my PC, so I must cloc close to complete the shutdown.
[11:26] <gameplayer> RurouniJones: sorry for ne beeing direct enough
[11:26] <tzd> that one did the trick mozzy and RurouniJones! Thanks guys :)
[11:26] <gameplayer> kopete
[11:27] <RurouniJones> gameplayer: Do you have a crashlog?
[11:27] <gameplayer> (and sorry for my typos, I think i've to type slower..)
[11:28] <gameplayer> how can I save one ?
[11:29] <gameplayer> since it happen when i shutdown the computer, I can't copy/paste the crashlog
[11:31] <RurouniJones> Hrm, not sure, wait around and see if anyone else has an idea
[11:31] <gameplayer> ok
[11:32] <TimS> How do I set Konqueror to my default browser in KDE4
[11:34] <RurouniJones> !dolphin
[11:34] <gameplayer> RurouniJones: i'll try something, brb.
[11:35] <TimS> Ah, just like that, cheers RurouniJones :)
[11:36] <RurouniJones> Easy when you know how... Just finding out the how that is the pain in the arse with Linux ;)
[11:37] <mozzy> I have kde4 on suse beta on my laptop - get "fatal error" kopete siganal 6 on shutdown - saved the crash report will have a look on reboot - looks like it may be a kde4 thing
[11:38] <TimS> RurouniJones: I was not aware I was going to loose KDE3 with 8.10, so even though I had KDE4 installed before, it was a bit of a shock when I started it up and it was gone!
[11:38] <paolo_> hi. i have the 8.04 version. is it possible to upgrade it to 8.10 from network ?
[11:39] <TimS> I am kind of glad I was forced to move over sooner or later.
[11:39] <RurouniJones> Heh, I am sticking with 8.04 for a while yet ;) When KDE4 is more mature I will no doubt upgradte
[11:40] <TimS> I am kind of glad something finally pushed me to upgrade, but I do feel I should have been warned a bit more clearly.
[11:40] <gameplayer> re
[11:41] <gameplayer> RurouniJones: http://paste.ubuntu.com/69173/
[11:41] <gameplayer> (I didn't noticed the "Save to" button last time)
[11:42] <RurouniJones> hehe
[11:42] <RurouniJones> Looks like a QT error but beyond that I can't say, sorry.
[11:42] <gameplayer> ok
[11:42] <wynter> Kubuntu 8.10 rocks! I didn't expect it to be that cool
[11:42] <mozzy> RurouniJones - me too - put suse kde4 on lappy and 8.10 kubuntu on 2nd partition on desktop - the suse beta seems to run kde4 better out of the box at the moment - nice desktop but staying with 3.5 for important stuff
[11:42] <gameplayer> lol
[11:42] <paolo_> i mean: how can i upgrade the system from 8.04 to 8.10 ?
[11:43] <RurouniJones> !dist-upgrade
[11:43] <paolo_> thnks RurouniJones
[11:46] <gameplayer> RurouniJones: it seems that the bug is known : https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=158972, I'll wait for KDE 4.1.3...
[11:49] <TimS> I miss the auto-pause script for amarok. It used to auto-pause when the session was locked, and that was awesome, but it doesn't work with KDE4 sessions
[11:54] <PSiL0> hola
[11:54] <PSiL0> I have a quick question for anyone here.  Is there a way to power down my laptop screen after say 10mins or so?
[11:55] <TimS> PSiL0: KDE3 or $?
[11:55] <TimS> 4*
[11:56] <TimS> Hmm
[11:56] <TimS> Maybe not, I thought I knew where it was, but it wasn't where I though
[11:56] <chul> D
[11:56] <chul> HI
[11:56] <PSiL0> kde 4.12
[11:57] <chul> what r u doing?
[11:58] <PSiL0> TimS: Obviously not in power control under system tools
[11:58] <TimS> No
[11:58] <RurouniJones> kde 3.5 was kde-guidance-power or something along those lines.
[11:58] <RurouniJones> Did they revamp that for KDE4?
[11:58] <TimS> I thought it would be power controls on the display section as that makes perfect sense.
[11:58] <TimS> But no.
[11:59] <PSiL0> i never ran kde3.5 unfortunately :(
[11:59] <PSiL0> TimS:  It would make too much sense, huh?
[11:59] <TimS> kde-guidance-powermanager
[11:59] <TimS> !info kde-guidance-powermanager
[12:00] <TimS> I have installed aparently
[12:00] <PSiL0> ahh
[12:00] <PSiL0> lemme look for that
[12:00] <TimS> The KDE package is just a dummy, guidance-power-manager is the one you need
[12:00] <TimS> When I ran it, it told me off because this wasn't a laptop, then quit.
[12:01] <RurouniJones> Hehehehe
[12:02] <RurouniJones> A program getting sarky, that I would like to see
[12:02] <PSiL0> ahh, i installed it from adept
[12:02] <TimS> So, I think I will get rid of that package
[12:02] <TimS> I am on a mass package removal spree.
[12:02] <TimS> No battery found.
[12:02] <TimS> This is not a laptop, quitting ...
[12:02] <PSiL0> I guess calling it HAL is apt..
[12:04] <PSiL0> hmmm, how do I call it up?
[12:04] <PSiL0> tried entering "kde-guidance-powermanager" in the terminal w/o success
[12:05] <RurouniJones> It should be in the taskbar
[12:05] <RurouniJones> in system
[12:05] <RurouniJones> At least, in KDE 3.5 ;)
[12:07]  * PSiL0 shakes his head
[12:07]  * PSiL0 is still looking furiously for HAL
[12:07] <PSiL0> well, as furiously as my flu-addled brain would allow me to ;)
[12:09] <TimS> PSiL0: HAL stands for Hardware Abstraction Layer
[12:09] <TimS> the command you want would be guidance-power-manager
[12:10] <PSiL0> I see it in my taskbar, but it only allows for suspend or hibernate.. No signs of allow me to configure power saving options for my laptop screen
[12:11] <Pliskin> then you should maybe use klaptop or kpowersave ?
[12:12] <PSiL0> hmm.. lemme check them out
[12:16] <PSiL0> can't find klaptop
[12:17] <PSiL0> kpowersave has alot of options, but I couldn't find any option to power down my screen after 10mins or so
[12:17] <PSiL0> I assume the suspend, hibernate, and powerdown options refer to my laptop
[12:18] <RurouniJones> kde4 got kpowersave?
[12:18] <RurouniJones> Or is that a part of the guidance package
[12:20] <PSiL0> I don't know.. But I had to look for it in adept
[12:20] <PSiL0> well, I just called it up in my terminal
[12:21] <RurouniJones> kpowersave has monitor settings for me
[12:23] <Pliskin> if you use KDE4, there is PowerDevil :)
[12:23] <PSiL0> ohh.. gonna check that out
[12:23] <Pliskin> but it's not a mature app, I believe
[12:24] <PSiL0> hmm, already installed.. how can I call it up?
[12:24] <Pliskin> euh... the daemon is launched ?
[12:25] <Pliskin> tou con configure it with KControl
[12:25] <PSiL0> RurouniJones: well, I saw the options, but they were the same as the ones included in system settings :-/
[12:25] <Pliskin> euh SystemSettings...
[12:25] <Pliskin> you can*
[12:25] <Pliskin> sorry
[12:25] <jimmy_birer> wassup allz
[12:26] <PSiL0> it should be, hrmmm
[12:27] <PSiL0> okay, I'm going back to sleep (sorry, flu) ... I'll come back and ask several more questions later.. :)
[12:27] <PSiL0> thank guys
[12:27] <PSiL0> thanks!
[12:27] <jimmy_birer> hey
[12:27] <jimmy_birer> dont go
[12:27] <jimmy_birer> if you want to speak
[12:27] <jimmy_birer> im here:D:d
[12:28] <PSiL0> sorry man, flu...
[12:28] <jimmy_birer> man....
[12:28] <jimmy_birer> about 100 users
[12:28] <jimmy_birer> and no one talks
[12:28] <jimmy_birer> what a freaky channel
[12:28] <RurouniJones> It is a help channel
[12:28] <jimmy_birer> but when i need help
[12:28] <RurouniJones> #kubuntu-offtopic
[12:28] <jimmy_birer> no one helps me
[12:29] <RurouniJones> Is for chat
[12:29] <RurouniJones> We are all volunteers here, if you don't get then it is probably because we can't help you
[12:29] <jimmy_birer> fine
[12:29] <jimmy_birer> bye
[12:29] <jimmy_birer> dr_willis?
[12:29] <jimmy_birer> wassup
[12:29] <dr_willis> moo!
[12:29] <jimmy_birer> moo!
[12:30] <jimmy_birer> the cow of irc
[12:30] <jimmy_birer> i like your style;)
[12:30] <dvoid> hello
[12:30] <jimmy_birer> hi
[12:30] <dvoid> how do i setup a 3g internet connection trough bluetoth->mobile  in 8.10?
[12:30] <dvoid> where do i start looking?
[12:31] <jimmy_birer> ndiswrapper
[12:31] <dvoid> tried to run kdebluetooth4 but nothing happens..
[12:31] <Pliskin> it's broken
[12:31] <dvoid> hurray
[12:31] <jimmy_birer> get gnome
[12:31] <jimmy_birer> and use that
[12:31] <dvoid> ;)
[12:31] <jimmy_birer> Gbluethoot
[12:31] <dvoid> k
[12:32] <Pliskin> because of ubuntu guys... who don"t test their upgrade on all the DE... ><
[12:32] <dvoid> i get alot of kubuntu 8.10 is not ready wibes :P
[12:32] <jimmy_birer> kubuntu is not for newbs
[12:32] <jimmy_birer> is for linux enthusiasts;)
[12:32] <dr_willis> dvoid,  it seems that way every other release or so.. :) lots of new stuff in this one.
[12:32] <dvoid> ye ai know
[12:33] <dr_willis> I will say on my 2 laptops. Ubuntu 8.10 has worked darn near perfectly
[12:33] <jimmy_birer> i  tested kubuntu 8.10
[12:33] <jimmy_birer> really suc
[12:33] <dr_willis> 1 upgrade failed.. on a laptop  - other upgrade on a desktop worked fine also.
[12:33] <jimmy_birer> i think is not ready
[12:33] <Pliskin> jimmy_birer : troll ?
[12:33] <dvoid> never really liked gnome, buth since kubuntu 8.10 seems to be so broken i may be forced to use it
[12:33] <jimmy_birer> i love ubuntu`s gnome
[12:33] <jimmy_birer> really
[12:33] <dvoid> yea its nice
[12:34] <Pliskin> so, what are you doing here ? ^^
[12:34] <jimmy_birer> now i use ubuntu breezy with KDE 4
[12:34] <maggg> So, speaking of bluetooth in kubuntu... I use a bluetooth keyboard and mouse with my desktop computer. How do I connect them?
[12:34] <jimmy_birer> and i looked at konversation
[12:34] <jimmy_birer> kbluetooth4 goods fine with
[12:34] <Pliskin> maggg : don't upgrade to intrepid
[12:34] <jimmy_birer> bluethooth
[12:34] <maggg> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BluetoothInputDevices?action=show&redirect=BluetoothMouse only says "X uses Input Hotplug for automatically configuring input devices."
[12:34] <maggg> Pliskin: Heh. Too late :)
[12:34] <dvoid> i dont understand why even release kubuntu 8,10 when its not ready. who cares if its not released the same time as ubuntu, i would rather have a working dist
[12:35] <jimmy_birer> really
[12:35] <jimmy_birer> i tested 8.10
[12:35] <dr_willis> If it wasent released at the same time. this channel would get flooded with people mad that it wasent released...
[12:35] <jimmy_birer> and its really unstable
[12:35] <dr_willis> No win situation
[12:35] <jimmy_birer> when you have a dependency on synaptic or adept
[12:35] <dr_willis> KDE4 - i find is very much a work in progress. :()
[12:35] <jimmy_birer> dpkg gets blocked
[12:35] <dvoid> well now you got ppl switching to gnome instead, and bad reviews
[12:35] <maggg> Pliskin: Would it work nicely in gnome?
[12:36] <Pliskin> yes :)
[12:36] <dr_willis> dvoid,  so? Its not a popularity contest.
[12:36] <Pliskin> i tought you were a KDE user :)
[12:36] <maggg> Yes, I am
[12:36] <maggg> Just wondering
[12:36] <jimmy_birer> i am too
[12:36] <jimmy_birer> i use xfce,gnome,ubuntu
[12:36] <jimmy_birer> kde
[12:36] <dvoid> dr_willis: well thats one way to look at it, but why even produce a distribution if you dont aim to do it good
[12:36] <jimmy_birer> and icewm
[12:37] <dr_willis> The change from KDE3 to KDE4 seems to be akin to Apples OS9 to OS-X  Change.. Big changes with lots of  people mad  on both sides.. but wait for it to mature and everyone will look back at kde3 and go.. egads we used to use that?
[12:37] <jimmy_birer> cuz they are too hungry:P:P
[12:37] <maggg> But I cant even get through the login-screen. There shouldn't be any gnome vs kde-specific bluetooth things that early, should there?
[12:38] <Pliskin> dvoid : it's not really the fault of kubuntu guys, they don't develop kbluetouth and they haven't upgraded bluez
[12:38] <jimmy_birer> when you upgrade kde3 to 4 and it fail your system will suck D**k
[12:38] <jimmy_birer> and...
[12:38] <jimmy_birer> never use old gcc versions
[12:38] <jimmy_birer> if you want to use kde
[12:39] <jimmy_birer> i think we need to kick ubuntu_sucks_fic
[12:39] <Dragnslcr> maggg- I had a bluetooth keyboard and mouse until this week. It was cool for the couple years I had them, but trust me, you're better off going with normal USB
[12:39] <jimmy_birer> usb is faster than bluetooth
[12:39] <dvoid> Pliskin:  i think it is, most of the software in kubuntu or any other dist is not developed by the kubuntu team , but anyway i think the kubuntu team is responsible for what software is included in the dist, if some critical software is not ready , then wait for it, or dont include it
[12:40] <jimmy_birer> think when you press esc you wait 3 seconds to get responce by pc=))
[12:40] <Dragnslcr> I always had annoying issues with them in Kubuntu and Windows
[12:40] <maggg> Dragnslcr: Why? I can name a few pros and cons myself, but what made you switch?
[12:40] <jimmy_birer> bluethooth sucks elephant balls
[12:40] <dvoid> got to go bye
[12:40] <Dragnslcr> jimmy_birer- and then when it does get through, it repeats the keypress a dozen times
[12:41] <user1> the new icons / skins in recent kde (8.10) are fugly
[12:41] <jimmy_birer> =))
[12:41] <jimmy_birer> hahaha
[12:41] <jimmy_birer> really?
[12:41] <user1> how to restore previous skins/icons/looks or kde  that are not fugly
[12:41] <RurouniJones> !kde4
[12:41] <user1> *of
[12:41] <jimmy_birer> give right click on desktop
[12:41] <Pliskin> dvoid : blame the MOTOs MOTOs who don't care ok KDE, but the Kubuntu developers do the best they can
[12:41] <jimmy_birer> Configure desktop
[12:41] <jimmy_birer> and thats all
[12:41] <Pliskin> care about*
[12:41] <jimmy_birer> you can change wallpaper&theme and all artwork
[12:42] <Dragnslcr> maggg- it may have just been mine (Logitech MX5000), but like we just mentioned, there would always be a delay with the first keypress after the connection went to sleep, and it would usually repeat itself several times
[12:42] <Pliskin> and they aren't in an easy situation
[12:42] <jimmy_birer> really,kubuntu developers works very hard
[12:42] <Pliskin> all the efforts of ubuntu developpers go to gnome
[12:42] <jimmy_birer> for wireless  staf
[12:42] <Dragnslcr> I bought an MX3200 off Newegg last weekend, and it works quite well in Kubuntu
[12:43] <jimmy_birer> i hope that will not dail to work'
[12:43] <Xenios> hello folks. Is anybody here to help me with a serious update problem?
[12:43] <jimmy_birer> on most upgrades
[12:43] <jimmy_birer> I
[12:43] <jimmy_birer> can
[12:43] <jimmy_birer> help
[12:43] <Xenios> hi jimmy!
[12:43] <maggg> Dragnslcr: Sure. I have the same problems. However, I really don't want the wires :(
[12:43] <jimmy_birer> hi xenny
[12:43] <Xenios> I spoiled my kubuntu :-(
[12:43] <jimmy_birer> me too last weekend
[12:44] <jimmy_birer> my dpkg sucked it hard
[12:44] <Xenios> Just wanted to upgrade from 8.04 to 8.1
[12:44] <jimmy_birer> and deleted x server
[12:44] <Dragnslcr> maggg- MX3200 is wireless, it just uses a regular USB receiver instead of Bluetooth
[12:44] <jimmy_birer> noooooooooooooo!
[12:44] <jimmy_birer> dont upgrade to kubuntu 8/10
[12:44] <dr_willis> I like my logitech Nano wireless mouse. :)
[12:44] <jimmy_birer> its not stable release
[12:44] <Xenios> now the new kernel won't boot and I can just run some weired mix of old kernel and kde3/4
[12:44] <dr_willis> life is not stable.
[12:44] <Xenios> too late :-/
[12:45] <jimmy_birer> oooooouch
[12:45] <jimmy_birer> really bad
[12:45] <Dragnslcr> dr_willis- don't you have to be 6 years old to not have that thing vanish under your hand?
[12:45] <jimmy_birer> take a small distro in cd
[12:45] <jimmy_birer> put your files in other partition
[12:45] <Xenios> how can I get the new kernel to boot? system hangs on boot with "waiting for root file system"
[12:45] <jimmy_birer> and delete/reinstall kubuntu 8.4
[12:45] <Dragnslcr> Xenios- what kernel version are you selecting from the boot menu?
[12:45] <dr_willis> Dragnslcr,  ive gotten used to it. :)
[12:45] <maggg> Dragnslcr: Hey. That might be an idea :)
[12:46] <Xenios> Dragnslcr: the new kernel is 2.6.27-7, the one that won't boot
[12:46] <Xenios> 2.6.24-21 works
[12:46] <jimmy_birer> man,kernel is not a singular thing
[12:46] <jimmy_birer> is not lonely
[12:46] <jimmy_birer> you need to configure all files/apps
[12:46] <jimmy_birer> to use other kernel
[12:47] <Xenios> I know. but how can I do this? how can I get 8.1 to work?
[12:47]  * dr_willis wonders what apps one configures to use a kernel? 
[12:47] <jimmy_birer> no idea.
[12:47] <Dragnslcr> Xenios- all right, just checking. I had a problem with the new kernel not getting added to the boot menu
[12:47] <dr_willis> Cant just select another kernel in  the grub menus?
[12:47] <Xenios> it is added to menu.lst
[12:47] <Xenios> but claims "waiting for root file system" on boot
[12:48] <jimmy_birer> jimmy says gcc,automake,bc,microthing
[12:48] <OxDeadC0de> honest 4.1.3 is worse for me than 4.1.2 was
[12:49] <jimmy_birer> i recommend to all mandriva users
[12:49] <jimmy_birer> to make sudo rm -rf /
[12:49] <jimmy_birer> cuz it sucks
[12:49] <jimmy_birer> camel balls
[12:49] <jimmy_birer> niggaz on this channel?
[12:49] <OxDeadC0de> what do you recommend as a replacement jimmy_birer?
[12:50] <jimmy_birer> Kubuntu Or slackware
[12:50] <jimmy_birer> most stable systems using kde 4
[12:50] <OxDeadC0de> kde4 doesn't seem very stable
[12:51] <OxDeadC0de> mostly sure but parts just bug
[12:51] <jimmy_birer> heh,i use 3.4
[12:51] <jimmy_birer> i dont know why,but i hate newbs
[12:51] <Xenios> so noone any idea to help me out of this??? :-(
[12:51] <jimmy_birer> nope
[12:51] <jimmy_birer> i have no idea
[12:51] <jimmy_birer> :-(
[12:52] <OxDeadC0de> some ppl multimedia keys don't work (Though that could be system setup), I get plasma crashes now at random, doesn't come with some basic applets because they havn't been written yet for plasma
[12:53] <jimmy_birer> what the heck is plasma:D:D
[12:53] <jimmy_birer> i have LCD monitor
[12:53] <Pliskin> Xenios, if the kernel does'nt boot, unless you boot on a LiveCD and repare manually the porblem, you will have to reinstall :/
[12:53] <maggg> FYI: You can get bluetooth kb and mouse working "the old way", by installing bluez-compat and running hidd --search :)
[12:53] <jimmy_birer> i think that is GRUB or LiLo prob
[12:53] <jimmy_birer> if it cant chnage root filesys
[12:53] <OxDeadC0de> plasma is the new desktop software for kde4, it's actually really nice but it needs more developers to adopt it and make applets
[12:54] <Xenios> weired thing is that the old kernel can boot
[12:54] <jimmy_birer> it needs much ram?
[12:54] <OxDeadC0de> the panel and widgets
[12:54] <jimmy_birer> i have 128 mb
[12:54] <Xenios> i already checked menu.lst, the entry for new kernel looks right to me
[12:54] <thorsten_> hello
[12:54] <OxDeadC0de> firefox is taking more ram than plasma
[12:54] <jimmy_birer> oh,fine
[12:54] <jimmy_birer> thats good
[12:54] <jimmy_birer> i will google it
[12:55] <Xenios> now i boot 8.1 with the old kernel
[12:55] <DarkWizzard> Hello, does anyone know how to resize an NTFS partiton, I tried with GParted but I get errors
[12:55] <dr_willis> Xenios,  ive noticed some oddities with the kernels.. about every other one..  seems to give somewhat odd eror messages on my laptop..
[12:55] <Xenios> and a kde that looks like 4 but in the about box is a 3.5.10
[12:55] <dr_willis> DarkWizzard,  defrag/scandisk it with widnows first.. and if you have vista use Vista to resize it - that will be MUCH faster
[12:55] <DarkWizzard> I get this http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/69202/
[12:55] <DarkWizzard> I did
[12:55] <DarkWizzard> already
[12:55] <abner> algeum awe?
[12:55] <DarkWizzard> I don't have or use vista
[12:56] <abner> blz awe
[12:56] <abner> ?
[12:56] <DarkWizzard> I have xp, but Partition magic is being picky
[12:56] <jimmy_birer> vista sucks
[12:56] <jimmy_birer> really
[12:56] <thorsten_> is there really no keyring for http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu?
[12:56] <dr_willis> DarkWizzard,   You may want to try that gparted live cd. thats availiabel.. it seems to work a bit better for me at times
[12:57] <DarkWizzard> been there, done that
[12:57] <DarkWizzard> it lacks the drivers for my sata card
[12:57] <DarkWizzard> so it doesn't even detect that disk
[12:58] <jimmy_birer> use puppy linux for gparted
[12:58] <DarkWizzard> I have my ubuntu, did you check the GParted saved details ?
[12:58] <jimmy_birer> puppy linux developers tweaked gparted
[12:58] <dr_willis> if puppy has the right drivers.. that is.. :)
[12:58] <DarkWizzard> maybe I'm missing something from it
[12:58] <thorsten_> you should try the nfsprogs from http://www.linux-ntfs.org/doku.php.
[12:58] <thorsten_> that might help
[12:58] <DarkWizzard>  http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/69202/
[12:58] <jimmy_birer> puppy is full of drivers
[12:58] <dr_willis> !info ntfsprogs
[12:59] <dr_willis> ntfsprogs may be needed for full use of gparted  to mess with ntfs filesystems
[12:59] <jimmy_birer> because of drivers,its not eyecandy
[12:59] <DarkWizzard> Ntfsprogs, I have ntfsresize, gparted uses it
[12:59] <DarkWizzard> but it gives that error
[13:00] <jimmy_birer> man just get puppy 3.00
[13:00] <jimmy_birer> its haves both
[13:00] <jimmy_birer> and it knows wich to use
[13:00] <jimmy_birer> at several times
[13:00] <dr_willis> and it may or may not have the right drivers for his SATA controller.
[13:00] <DarkWizzard> Why do I have to get a new distro just to partition a disk
[13:00] <DarkWizzard> it works under ubuntu
[13:00] <jimmy_birer> but if you use closet like hard-disk
[13:01] <DarkWizzard> gparted is the real problem
[13:01] <jimmy_birer> gparted will not detect it
[13:01] <jimmy_birer> =))
[13:01] <jimmy_birer> tomorrow i will put my distro on distrowatch
[13:01] <jimmy_birer> jimmybuntu
[13:02] <jimmy_birer> its full of viruses
[13:02] <jimmy_birer> =))
[13:02] <jimmy_birer> i will rule world with trojans
[13:02] <dr_willis> DarkWizzard,  about the only thing i notice on the errors is -->  Please try to free less space.
[13:02] <jimmy_birer> oh man!
[13:02] <thorsten_> have you allready tried the gparted-live-cd
[13:02] <thorsten_> ?
[13:02] <jimmy_birer> ppl begin to break channel
[13:04] <thorsten_> hello, is there really no keyring for http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu ?
[13:10] <thorsten_> mh... maybe the wrong channel for that kind of questions
[13:10] <jimmy_birer> wtf
[13:10] <jimmy_birer> ubottu wtf
[13:10] <jimmy_birer> hahaha
[13:10] <jimmy_birer> ubottu java
[13:10] <jimmy_birer> ubottu tr
[13:10] <jimmy_birer> ubottu beryl
[13:11] <jimmy_birer> ubottu apche2
[13:11] <jimmy_birer> ubottu hello
[13:12] <jimmy_birer> ubottu flood
[13:13] <bobafatt> Hi. I'm having trouble getting the correct versions of libglib and libglib-dev for use with QT/Eclipse. Can anybody spare a moment? Cheers. Steve
[13:14] <jimmy_birer> bobafatt you stucked npw
[13:14] <jimmy_birer> now
[13:14] <jimmy_birer> you cant make anything
[13:14] <jimmy_birer> if you installed wrong version
[13:14] <jimmy_birer> why Konqueror is freaky slow?
[13:15] <bobafatt> I have libglib2.0-2.16.4-0ubuntu3 which is not marked as upgradable.
[13:16] <bobafatt> This version of the dev package does not exist. Has been superceded by 2.16.6.
[13:16] <bobafatt> 2.16.6 base package doesn't seem to exist.
[13:17] <bobafatt> BTW. New to all this. I have no idea what 'you stucked npw' means.
[13:18] <cuznt> nor do i
[13:19] <cuznt> !QT/Eclipse
[13:19] <cuznt> !qt
[13:19] <cuznt> !eclipse
[13:20] <cuznt> !qt |  bobafatt
[13:20] <cuznt> !repositories
[13:21] <cuznt> you can do it
[13:21] <bobafatt> The problem is with libglib and libglib-dev not the QT libraries. The versions in the repository don't seem to match so I can't install the dev package until I've upgraded the base package which I can't do.
[13:24] <bobafatt> Synaptic shows libglib2.0-0 2.16.4-0ubuntu3 as the latest base package so it tries to get this version of the dev package from the repository but that doesn't exist.
[13:30] <mc___> Hi! I have installed 8.10 on my santa rosa macbook. I cant get the w-lan hardware working :( i tried installing the closed source driver, which did not do anything. And i followed the guide in the wiki and installed ndiswrapper, which does not work either
[13:30] <mc___> my wlan card does not even get listed with ifconfig
[13:36] <Sarir> !wext
[13:37] <Sarir> !wpa
[13:37] <uga> Does anybody know how to avoid NetworkManager from overwriting /etc/resolv.conf? I have search settings for my domain, but it keeps deleting them
[13:37] <uga> I'm tempted to remove write permissions from root...
[13:37] <Sarir> !hostap
[13:37] <ken> hi
[13:38] <ken> my widget always disappears whenever i start my computer, can someone tell me why??? and how to fix it?
[13:39] <ken> can someone tell me??
[13:40] <ken> plaease
[13:41] <ken> !hi
[13:41] <ken> !widget
[13:41] <ken> !widgets
[13:41] <ooglebutte> !plasma
[13:42] <RurouniJones> !KDE4 | ken
[13:42] <Sarir> Si è verificato un errore fatale
[13:42] <Sarir> The application nspluginviewer (nspluginviewer) crashed and caused the signal 11 (SIGSEGV).
[13:42] <Sarir> fatal error message
[13:43] <Sarir> any idea?
[13:45] <edi_99> Hi guys. When I upgraded 8.04 to 8.10 there was a widget called Desktop and I closed it. How can I get it back?
[13:45] <edi_99> am..widget called Desktop on my desktop :)
[13:47] <mc___> Hi! I have installed 8.10 on my santa rosa macbook. I cant get the w-lan hardware working :( i tried installing the closed source driver, which did not do anything. And i followed the guide in the wiki and installed ndiswrapper, which does not work either
[13:47] <mc___> my wlan card does not even get listed with ifconfig
[13:47] <ooglebutte> does iwconfig help?
[13:48] <mc___> ooglebutte, iwconfig does not display it either
[13:49] <ooglebutte> lspci then maybe?
[13:49] <ken> my widget always disappears whenever i start my computer, can someone tell me why??? and how to fix it? i use KDE4
[13:50] <mc___> ooglebutte, yes, but does not help, i want to get it working
[13:50] <ooglebutte> mc___: I have no wifi here - try this
[13:50] <ooglebutte> !wifi
[13:51] <mc___> yeah I did already try the method listed there
[13:51] <ken> i can't hear music play on my computer
[13:51] <mc___> whis is using ndiswrapper, it does not work for me
[13:52] <ooglebutte> !sound > ken
[13:53] <ken> ooglebutte: i can now ^^! thanks
[13:53] <ooglebutte> ken: happy for you pal :)
[13:54] <ken> ooglebutte: can you do me a favor cause with my widget?? it always disappears whenever i open my kubuntu
[13:54] <ooglebutte> ken: I have no idea on that sorry
[13:55] <ooglebutte> I'm 16
[13:55] <ken> ooglebutte: ok ^^!, so you are genious man
[13:55] <Sarir> !nspluginviewer
[13:55] <aidy> hi
[13:55] <ken> !hi >aidy
[13:55] <aidy> is there a way to make konqueror behave like firefox when you type some words in the location bar
[13:56] <ken> aidy: what do you mean behave?
[13:57] <aidy> ... make it work like?
[13:57] <ken> !konqueror > aidy
[13:58] <ooglebutte> !info konqueror
[13:59] <aidy> yes?
[14:01] <dario> estoy escuchando elvis.....
[14:01] <dario> que lindo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[14:01] <dr_willis> No Hoblo
[14:02] <ooglebutte> !se
[14:04] <ken> !info plasma
[14:04] <ken> !info seamonkey > aidy
[14:05] <ken> someone know how to make the widget don't disappear??
[14:05] <ken> please
[14:06] <aidy> ken: thank you for being not helpful? aka annoying.
[14:06] <aidy> !info plasma > ken
[14:06] <ooglebutte> ken: what does   ls -la ~/.kde   return?
[14:07] <ooglebutte> ken: any mention of root?
[14:07] <ken> ooglebutte: no mention of root
[14:07] <ooglebutte> k
[14:09] <K_R_o_m> Someone corrected the collapse korganizer?
[14:09] <K_R_o_m> sorry for my english
[14:09] <K_R_o_m> The application KOrganizer (korganizer) crashed and caused the signal 6 (SIGABRT).
[14:12] <ken> ooglebutte: http://paste.ubuntu.com/69219/
[14:16] <aidy> how do i enable webkit for konqueror
[14:20] <mimi> 59
[14:20] <dr_willis> 60!
[14:28] <TheFuzzball> I'm trying to build KDE from trunk and I need the package python-qt4, but I get: pycentral pkginstall: not overwriting local files when trying to install.
[14:28] <TheFuzzball> I am using Ubuntu 8.10
[14:28] <TheFuzzball> I just upgraded from 8.04
[14:30] <Razuul> I'm having trouble upgrading to 8.10 using adept_manager --dist-upgrade. The upgrade button doesn't show up. I can't find any solutions on the fourms. Any ideas?
[14:32] <dr_willis> I think you need to do more then that Razuul   check the !upgrade factoid web site
[14:32] <dr_willis> !upgrade
[14:33] <dr_willis> it says.. (eventually) --> Open the Run Command dialog by pressing Alt+F2. Type kdesu "adept_manager --dist-upgrade-devel" in the command box and press the OK button.
[14:33] <dr_willis> TheFuzzball,  I JUST saw mention of your probklem at that upgrade url....
[14:34] <dr_willis> TheFuzzball,  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IntrepidUpgrades  see the 'troubleshooting' section
[14:36] <Razuul> dr_willis: Doesn't say -devel on the  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IntrepidUpgrades/Kubuntu
[14:36] <ken> dr_willis: can you help me with the widgets?? how can i make it always appears whenever i start my 8.10
[14:37] <dr_willis> Razuul,  well it does say it here -> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IntrepidUpgrades
[14:37] <dr_willis> For a full graphical presentation of these steps, please review IntrepidUpgrades/Kubuntu.
[14:37] <dr_willis>    1.
[14:37] <dr_willis>       Open the Run Command dialog by pressing Alt+F2. Type kdesu "adept_manager --dist-upgrade-devel" in the command box and press the OK button.
[14:38] <dr_willis> ken,  not really.  I tend to use very few extra widgets.
[14:38] <White_Pelican> where can I post a complaint to or about the kubuntu team?
[14:39] <Razuul> Yes, that's not very consistent. I would just think that the link supplied from the kubuntu.org front page would be correct.
[14:40] <dr_willis> http://www.kubuntuforums.net/  is proberly the place to rant/complain/ :)  I dont see any other good places mentioned onkubuntu.org
[14:41] <White_Pelican> ty dr_willis
[14:41] <White_Pelican> :)
[14:41] <dr_willis> Always fun to read the flamefests...
[14:41] <White_Pelican> they won't listen but at least I can vent :)
[14:42] <aaroncampbell> How can I see what version of flash I have installed?
[14:42] <dr_willis> Most complaints boil down to  either "How dare you take away kde 3.5" or "why cant you fix  kde4!"
[14:42] <White_Pelican> if you use firefox, type about:pluguns in the locatio9n bar
[14:42] <dr_willis> Or so it seems from skimming. :)
[14:43] <White_Pelican> then there's no point for me to vent, dr_willis
[14:43] <White_Pelican> that was my complaint :)
[14:43] <ken> dr_willis: the task manager and the system tray is also the widgets, and it disappears everytime i start my 8.10
[14:43] <White_Pelican> so much for LTS on Hardy
[14:44] <dr_willis> So no matter what they did.. there would be people yelling 'we want kde4'  or yelling 'we want to keep kde3' :)
[14:44] <dr_willis> LTS dosent really mean a lot to me either. :)
[14:44] <stdin> well 8.04 was never LTS
[14:45] <White_Pelican> it was my understanding from waht I've read stdin that 8.04 was to be lts
[14:45] <dr_willis> Ive noticed that in the PC/OS world - 'support' means a WHOLE different  thing then what it means in our Manafacturing/Machining/Factory world. :)
[14:45] <stdin> no, because Canonical did not think the KDE project would work on KDE 3 for the LTS term
[14:45] <ken> stdin: 8.04 was to be so, i agree
[14:45] <White_Pelican> hmmm
[14:46] <White_Pelican> imho, the kubuntu team should not have released intrepid with kde 4
[14:46] <dr_willis> I thouhgt 8.04 ubuntu was LTS. but not Kubuntu 8.04   - this may be the point of confusion.
[14:46] <White_Pelican> or at least offered the option for 3.5
[14:46] <White_Pelican> either one
[14:46] <ken> dr_willis: the task manager and the system tray is also the widgets, and it disappears everytime i start my 8.10
[14:47] <stdin> KDE 3 is dead, accept it, move on
[14:47] <White_Pelican> it works for me stdin
[14:47] <dr_willis> I still want a OS-9 CLONE! :)
[14:47] <stdin> it's like people asking for the option to install KDE 2
[14:47] <White_Pelican> I would move on if kde 4 did all that I needed
[14:48] <White_Pelican> besides, I have an nvidia card (my mistake)
[14:48] <White_Pelican> I'm not throwing hardware to software
[14:48] <White_Pelican> that's Microstink's requirement
[14:48] <stdin> White_Pelican: that's the reason the upgrade to 8.10 is not automatically offered in hardy, people can choose explicitly if they want to stay with KDE 3 for now
[14:49] <White_Pelican> right but I am still testing kde 4 and I want the bug fixes
[14:49] <White_Pelican> if it finally does what I need I will switch
[14:50] <cuznt> i took the ubuntu up and not kde so i get what 3.5.1 ? somethng weird
[14:50] <cuznt> but it works
[14:50] <cuznt> and i dig it
[14:50] <stdin> I've been using KDE 4 since the betas as my primary desktop, it does everything I want
[14:50] <cuznt> 4+ crashed
[14:50] <cuznt> for me
[14:50] <cuznt> but i am not that smart yet
[14:51] <White_Pelican> stdin, so you're saying that if it doesn't work for me it's my fault or my problem?
[14:51] <ulysses__> hy all
[14:52] <ulysses__> i have installed nvidia-glx-177, but it's only 60 Hz
[14:52] <stdin> White_Pelican: no, what I'm saying is "I've been using KDE 4 since the betas as my primary desktop, it does everything I want". I didn't say it does everything _you_ want
[14:53] <ulysses__> can i get help, it's bad only 60 Hz
[14:53] <White_Pelican> sounds like i'm SOL
[14:53] <dr_willis> It dont do what i want at this time.. so Im using jwm+rox-filer for now. :)
[15:14] <wescley> oi
[15:14] <NekroJakub> Ubuntu or Kubuntu... I can't decide T_T
[15:17] <maxbaldwin> what's the best program for maintaining a 3rd generation iPod?
[15:17] <maxbaldwin> is it Amarok or Banshee?
[15:22] <akash> How to burn avi files with K3B,any guide?
[15:24] <rgreening> akash: k3b doesnt convert avi to DVD VOB's if that is what you are asking...
[15:27] <rgreening> akash: perhaps instal DeVeDe which does, and will then allow burning the result with K3B
[15:28] <helpy> hi, my alsa mixer won't save configurations. my sound works on players but not on skype and online conferencing tools
[15:28] <helpy> my mic is muted and no matter what i do, it won't change
[15:29] <wallabee> So i just installed 8.10 and i've installed the flashplugin-nonfree and i can view every stream video ive tried on the internet but when i go to youtube i just get a WHITE screen while trying to view a video.  Ive tried looking up this roblem and found other users had this problem inkubuntu 8.04 and others with xubuntubut i havent found anything with a solution. ANY help is appreciated
[15:29] <helpy> intrepid is really crappy.
[15:29] <marek_> hi do you know what is the easiest ftp server to put on kubuntu?
[15:29] <helpy> there are serious sound problems
[15:29] <wallabee> well just really buggy
[15:30] <helpy> i repent upgrading
[15:31] <Leander256> wallabee, my major problem with flash is that I can't have it running in two different windows at once, it will make it crash
[15:32] <Leander256> windows or tabs, same problem
[15:32] <nado> hi there
[15:33] <nado> can anybody tell me how to place a shortcut to firefox on the taskbar? i'm not getting how to add anything else but those gadgets
[15:33] <wallabee> Leander256, thanks but i still have the problem even when its just one tab or one window other flash plays fine but youtube i just get a white screen of death
[15:33] <marek_> nado in kde4?
[15:33] <vikku> hi all...can we have prstat in kubuntu ?
[15:33] <nado> marek_: yup
[15:35] <marek_> nado go to K menu
[15:35] <marek_> but first
[15:35] <wallabee> anyone else have this problem>youtube videos blank white screen??
[15:35] <marek_> unlock widgets
[15:35] <marek_> then go to K menu
[15:35] <marek_> to the internet section
[15:35] <marek_> and drag'n'drop firefox icon
[15:35] <marek_> on taskbatr
[15:38] <wallabee> beebop and rocksteady
[15:38] <Leander256> you can also right-click on the icon in the menu and chose what to do
[15:38] <nado> marek_: that worked, dzieki :)
[15:41] <vikku> hi all can we have prstat in Ubuntu ?
[15:55] <fajar> ilove kubuntu 8.10 nice desktop
[15:55] <lakis1982> i have kubuntu 8.10 ..  how can i enable the compiz-fusion ?? is there conflicts between kubuntu itrepid and compiz ???
[15:55] <dr_willis> KDE4 has its own effects.. You may want to toy with them a bit
[15:55] <dr_willis> !compiz
[15:56] <lakis1982> i have tried the default desktpop effects that come with kubuntu 8.10 .. but its not like compiz
[15:56] <lakis1982> it doesnt have so many capabilities
[15:56] <lakis1982> so i would like compiz
[15:57] <dr_willis> Install compiz and ccsm and  hope it plays nicely. :)
[15:57] <lakis1982> have you tried it ?
[15:57] <lakis1982> dr willis what linux you have? kubuntu itrepid???
[15:57] <hazzy> Is the distribution upgrade wizard known to be buggy?
[15:58] <CyD> hazzy: i haven't used it to go to intrepid, but it was great on numerous machines from fiesty > gusty > hardy
[15:58] <maxbaldwin> hazzy: yes. Mine was, a least. I just burn up a new cd.
[15:58] <user6> !info openoffice
[15:58] <ubuntu_> Hello everzone
[15:58] <dr_willis> Im using Ubuntu + kubuntu Desktop + several other window managers.. on  4 Machines total
[15:58] <hazzy> Ah, ok, thanks
[15:58] <legate> hazzy: I used it to upgrade from Hardy to Intrepid and it worked well.
[15:59] <ubuntu_> everyone
[15:59] <user6> !openoffice
[15:59] <maxbaldwin> like when It installed from alt+f2 and dist-upgrade, it dropeed me in a shell and startx didn;t work
[15:59] <fajar> how to mount iso
[15:59] <fajar> ???
[16:00] <ubuntu_> Is there anyone who might be able to help me with issues concerning macbook + kubuntu bootup
[16:00] <maxbaldwin> I suggest burning a new cd, because if it fails epically, then your stuck with nothing
[16:00] <hazzy> Oh, alright, thanks, maxbaldwin
[16:00] <maxbaldwin> no problem.
[16:00] <ubuntu_> i hate macosx now and ive installed kubuntu on it formated everzthing but it wont boot up
[16:00] <dr_willis> http://reformedmusings.wordpress.com/2008/10/24/compiz-fusion-desktop-effects-and-kubuntu-810/ looks like a neat guide
[16:02] <fajar> how to install package with .run script
[16:02] <fajar> ???
[16:03] <lakis1982> does anyone of you have screenlets in kubuntu 8.10 ???
[16:03] <fajar> how to install package with .run script in kubuntu 8.10
[16:04] <lakis1982> does anyone of you have screenlets in kubuntu 8.10 ??? i have them but when i hit the show dashboard button they are not shown there ... why ???
[16:05] <tzd> how do i copy several files or, even better, full directories from a remote ftp server via konsole please? I've connected via ftp x.x.x.x and trying to figure out a good way. I get into trouble when issuing the "mget" cmd. Any help on this please?
[16:05] <tzd> lakis1982: if anyone knows they will answer, no need to resend
[16:05] <GillesM> my wifi light blinks and wifi connexion is very slow on kubuntu 8.10 idea ?
[16:06] <GillesM> tzd use konqueror instead or scp -r
[16:07] <ubuntu_> is there anyone who might be able to give me a small pointer im not to shy to read...
[16:07] <mc_> what do i need to install in order to play mp3's?
[16:07] <tzd> tzd: i have krusader set up with ftp and it works well, although it's really slow and i'd thought i'd try konsole instead. I'd also like to learn how to use the cmds for that :)
[16:07] <ubuntu_> concerning booting up kubuntu on a macbook .. it has something to do with grub..and the bootloader of mac
[16:07] <tzd> oh, was meant for GillesM...
[16:09] <mc_> please help
[16:09] <mc_> amarok is unable to install the mp3 support
[16:09] <ubuntu_> just use kd3
[16:09] <ubuntu_> or wt ever its called
[16:09] <mc_> i'm on 8.10
[16:10] <fajar> download mp3 plugins first to play mp3
[16:10] <ubuntu_> yeah get k3b
[16:10] <tzd> mc_ I'm not sure but perhaps this package might work: kdemultimedia-kfile-plugins
[16:10] <jhutchins> !kdesu
[16:10] <ubuntu_> anyone know which channel i should go to to find some linux pro|s
[16:10] <mc_> tzd: that package does not even exist
[16:10] <tzd> mc_: sorry noticed you're on 8.10
[16:11] <mc_> fajar: how do I download the plugin?
[16:11] <ubuntu_> apt-get ?
[16:12] <tzd> mc_: this might help: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Medibuntu
[16:16] <fajar> does anyone can help me with source .run to install in kubuntu 8.10
[16:18] <CyD> fajar: 'sh program.run' or './program.run' from a console
[16:19] <fajar> thanks
[16:20] <rafal> alsa does not work (recording - aplayer shows error) -         Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller    ubuntu 8.10   64bit.  help?
[16:21] <fajar> i have install xfi driver but it wont work???
[16:21] <fajar> does anyone can help me with that??? thanks
[16:22] <lakis1982> when i hit suspend to ram button , the pc always gets me a black screen and i must do reboot ... why ?
[16:22] <fajar> I Love the new look of Kubuntu 8.10
[16:23] <ubuntu_> yeah its great
[16:23] <ubuntu_> Just .. it doesnt boot yet lol
[16:25] <mc_> has anyone got mp3's working on 8.10 ?
[16:25] <mc_> i cant play them, neither with vlc nor with amarok
[16:25] <mc_> i tried the xine and yauap engine
[16:26] <mc_> And I told amarok about 30 times to install the mp3 plugin but it does not do anythin
[16:31] <ryanakca> How can I make knetworkmanager connect to <X> wlan0 connection on startup ?
[16:43] <legate> mc_: I don't think amarok needs a plugin to play mp3 files. At least, it did not on my system. Still, you might have a look at http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/MP3:Kubuntu.
[16:45] <kkathman> In KDE 4 is there a way to use the scroll wheel to move between desktops?
[16:46] <emilsedgh> kkathman: scroll on the pager applet
[16:46] <emilsedgh> kkathman: or on desktop
[16:47] <kkathman> emilsedgh, yeah that doesnt work on the desktop
[16:47] <kkathman> I have 8 desktops defined
[16:47] <kkathman> seemed ok when I had 2 but not 8
[16:47] <emilsedgh> dunno then, works here (not kubuntu/4.1 though)
[16:48] <kkathman> Yeah I had compiz in Hardy, so having to adjust to 4,1/Kubuntu
[16:50] <kkathman> Hmm  when I open Quanta is says KDE 3.5.10  but sure doesnt look like 3.5.10 :)
[16:51] <kkathman> lol open Konqueror and it says 4.1.2 lol
[16:51] <emilsedgh> kkathman: Quanta for KDE4 is not released so the latest Quanta is on KDE 3.5.10 but your konqueror is new
[16:52] <kkathman> right... so I guess quanta doesnt read that its on 4.1.2 :)
[16:52] <emilsedgh> kkathman: its not :)
[16:52] <kkathman> seems to run ok tho
[16:53] <emilsedgh> kkathman: that version number is he number of KDE Libraries version which application is using
[16:53] <emilsedgh> kkathman: and quanta needs kde 3 libraries to run
[16:54] <versus> hi I heard about some problems regarding intrepid and nvidia gpus, are there new drivers to fix the problem, or does it occur with special types of gpu only? (mine is a 8600 gtm) does an update to 4.1.3 help?
[16:54] <kkathman> yeah thats what I figured it must be
[16:56] <david__> hello how do I access the program files in Kubuntu like say Media Player?
[16:56] <wallabee>  i just installed 8.10 and i've installed the flashplugin-nonfree and i can view every stream video ive tried on the internet but when i go to youtube i just get a WHITE screen while trying to view a video.  Ive tried looking up this roblem and found other users had this problem inkubuntu 8.04 and others with xubuntubut i havent found anything with a solution. ANY help is appreciated
[16:57] <KDesk> david__ do you meen the programs associations?
[16:58] <kkathman> emilsedgh, I notice that when I click on the title bar of the home folder, it for some reason runs kaffeine, and tries to hook to a samba directory ??
[16:58] <david__> like when I download a file and I want a specific program to open it where will I find the file?
[16:58] <emilsedgh> hehe, no idea kkathman
[16:58] <kkathman> emilsedgh,  Im sure that path must be set somewhere?
[16:58] <wallabee> bommcleod
[16:59] <david__> in this case media player
[16:59] <KDesk> david__: you can find it when you right clic a file in Properties -> And then in TYPE right there is a icon.
[17:00] <KDesk> david__: and for all the files in System Settings
[17:00] <prakriti_> hello
[17:00] <KDesk> david__: and for all the files in System Settings -> Advanced Tab -> File Assosiations
[17:00] <KDesk> david__: But for Firefox it is different.
[17:01] <legate> david_: The files are int the /bin and /sbin directories. Open a shell and type $PATH to find the one your system uses.
[17:02] <david__> In windows they have a folder program files. In linux isn't there a specific folder that has the programs? is it bin and sbin?
[17:02] <legate> david__: See my previous post.
[17:03] <david__> what do you mean open a shell?
[17:03] <legate> david__: A terminal. konsole on KDE.
[17:04] <legate> Press Alt+F2 and type konsole. Press ENTER.
[17:04] <kkathman> hmm wonder why konversation isnt on the main internet menu?
[17:04] <david__> isn't there a easier way in a folder to see the programs?
[17:05] <legate> david__: When you look up the $PATH variable you know where to look. Then you can open Konqueror or Dolphin (or any other file manager) and navigate to the directories.
[17:06] <legate> kkathman: On my system, it is in K Menu -> Applications -> Internet. The entry is "IRC Client"
[17:07] <kkathman> Ahhh so it is :)  Guess I was looking for "Konversation " lol
[17:07] <kkathman> I had a good night last night - so that could be it too :)
[17:08] <KDesk> david__: in unix-like system the folder and files organisation is complitly different form windows. Windows is the only odd Operation system, all the others, linux, unix, mac os, *bsd are well designed.
[17:09] <KDesk> david__: you can read some articles in wikipedia or guides about linux/unix.
[17:10] <david__> But can I not just go into the bin folder and find the program I want?  That does not seem very easy the way it has been explained.
[17:10] <legate> david__: There is more than one bin folder.
[17:11] <david__> I am not downing linux I like it but I find this a little confusing'
[17:11] <legate> david__: If you are looking for a special program, open a shell and type find --name <program_you_search>
[17:11] <david__> ok I'll try it
[17:11] <KDesk> david__: this is another os, it is not windows. In fact, windows is unorganised
[17:12] <david__> Of course
[17:13] <giuseppe_> Hi, do you know how some times when I turn off my notebook the display is black and hard disk continue to work without switching off?
[17:13] <legate> giuseppe_: Yes, sometimes this is happening to me. Just press a key or the power button.
[17:13] <KDesk> david__:  but, for what do you want too see in the /bin /usr/bin, etc folders? It is interesting but there you can't assosiate programas. In the File Associations in System Settings there you get a list of programs and file extensions
[17:15] <giuseppe_> legate: just press a key? What do you want to say?
[17:15] <david__> here's what happened I downloaded a avi file and I wanted to open it. when the window comes up for me to choose a program in this case I wanted to choose media player I did not know how to find it.
[17:15] <ivan_> my soun is low. How can i high it?
[17:15] <KDesk> giuseppe_: I think it is a ACPI or videwo drivers or wifi driver problem
[17:16] <legate> legate: I have the same problem you desribed. When booting or shutting down, it sometimes just stops and then I have to press a key (any key, it doesn't matter) or the power button.
[17:16] <KDesk> david__: ah, is it in Firefox?
[17:16] <david__> yes
[17:16] <legate> ivan_: There is a mixer in the panel.
[17:16] <ivan_> ok
[17:17] <KDesk> david__: there is no 'media player' but there are many media players, the default is dragon player, there is also vlc kafeine, smplayer, etc.
[17:17] <ivan_> thanks i am a begginer
[17:17] <legate> ivan_: You're welcome.
[17:17] <david__> well any one of them
[17:17] <KDesk> david__: what you can do is in a konsole: 'whereis dragon' without the '' and use then the tab key to autocoplete, then press enter
[17:17] <giuseppe_> legate: please can you give me more details?
[17:18] <david__> ok
[17:18] <legate> giuseppe: There is nothing else I could tell you. I do not know why this is happening, but since I can resolve the problem with pressing one button, I'm fine.
[17:19] <KDesk> david__: there is also a program called  mozplugger, with that you can assosiate extensios to programas in firefox
[17:19] <david__> thanks kdesk that will help
[17:19] <KDesk> legate: you can report a bug in launchpad.
[17:20] <hoonteke> kmail: is there a way to have kmail download messages prior to me clicking on an IMAP folder?
[17:20] <giuseppe_> legate: do you mean the only solution is to force shutdown using switch off button?
[17:20] <hoonteke> For this reason, it feels annoying slow.
[17:22] <legate> KDesk: Yes, that would be an option.
[17:22] <giuseppe_> hoonteke: Hi, if you remember, yesterday you help me to solve video driver problem... remember?
[17:22] <giuseppe_> legate: so?
[17:23] <KDesk> legate: maybe there is also a better solution for that bug.
[17:23] <versus> hi I heard about some problems regarding intrepid and nvidia gpus, are there new drivers to fix the problem, or does it occur with special types of gpu only? (mine is a 8600 gtm) does an update to 4.1.3 help?
[17:23] <user6> .
[17:23] <user6> .
[17:23] <user6> a question plase ...
[17:23] <hoonteke> giuseppe_: does that mean you solved it?
[17:23] <KDesk> versus: I dont know, but usualy nvidia has a release every month.
[17:23] <user6> in kubuntu 6.01 i can't run rpm?
[17:23] <legate> giuseppe_: No, it does not force the shutdown (that is, I am not pressing the power button so long until it turns itself off). It just resumes the shutdown process.
[17:24] <giuseppe_> hoonteke: well you were @ phone and then I went away :(
[17:24] <hoonteke> giuseppe_: heh, that phone call ended up lasting for 3+ hours
[17:24] <versus> there are open source drivers for nvidia cards, they shouldnt bring up errors, can I use them to watch videos?
[17:24] <giuseppe_> legate: sorry but I did not understand you... please, which button do you press?
[17:24] <giuseppe_> hoonteke: I think so eheh
[17:24] <legate> versus: There have always been some problems with GPUs from NVidia because there is no open source driver. The driver used by most people is a restricted driver provided by NVida itself and it is known to have bugs.
[17:25] <ectospasm> is anyone else having redraw problems with the KDE4 system tray?
[17:26] <legate> giuseppe_: Depens. Sometimes I press any button, and then I see and hear that my laptop resumes doing something and shuts down. Sometimes this does not work, so I press the power button, and the same thing occurs.
[17:26] <versus> mhm are those problems gpu specific?
[17:27] <versus> or nvidia cards in general?
[17:27] <ectospasm> my icons will go screwy, some will be completely blank (so the root image shows where the icon should be), or it's half drawn... sometimes it's only one icon, sometimes it's all
[17:27] <giuseppe_> legate: so in your case it's enough to press any key or power button... and generally something happens, correct?
[17:27] <legate> giuseppe_: Yes.
[17:27] <giuseppe_> KDesk: sorry, previously you told that my problem can be video driver... how can I check it?
[17:29] <KDesk> giuseppe_: I dont know how you can check it, but some nvidia card with some driver have had such problems, also with wifis drivers. What is you laptop model?
[17:29] <giuseppe_> legate: well, my case is completely different... also the keyboard is "died"... btw, thanks a lot. ;)
[17:29] <legate> versus: When I updated to KDE 4.1 I had a problem with the plasmoids. They were extremely slow. I followed the advice given in http://techbase.kde.org/User:Lemma/KDE4-NVIDIA and everything was fine.
[17:29] <legate> giuseppe_: No problem.
[17:29] <versus> legate no other problems than the plasmoid ones?
[17:30] <derjens> hello there
[17:30] <mitsarionas> hi... does anyone know anything about an unknown applet error on some plasmoids?
[17:30] <legate> versus: No, once I solved it, everything is quite smooth. Naturally, there are still some performance problems that do not occur on Windows, but these are small ones.
[17:30] <derjens> how to to prevent kde4 (kubuntu 8.10.) from starting the last used apps after login?
[17:30] <giuseppe_> KDesk: well my notebook is a toshiba satellite A40-201 and video chipset is intel while memory is shared (64MB)
[17:31] <mitsarionas> derjens: system settings -> session manager i think
[17:31] <giuseppe_> KDesk: if you want I can post you the lspci result
[17:31] <versus> legate thanks, you made me more confortable to update
[17:31] <KDesk> giuseppe_: Yes, that would be useful.
[17:31] <derjens> mitsarionas, thank you so much
[17:31] <legate> versus: Your're welcome.
[17:32] <mitsarionas> ur welcome :)
[17:32] <KDesk> giuseppe_: Do you use intrepid?
[17:32] <derjens> i had walked through all options in the systems settings window but somehow i came to miss the session manager which is quite obvious... omg
[17:33] <cuznt> my plasmoids crashed
[17:33] <mitsarionas> so noone had some plasmoids die on them? (it occured with the kde 4.1.3 update i think)
[17:35] <giuseppe_> KDesk: what is that?
[17:35] <cuznt> my system tray on4.1.3 shat itself
[17:35] <giuseppe_> KDesk: http://pastebin.com/m2e98587e
[17:35] <cuznt> and my plasmoids wont remember
[17:35] <KDesk> giuseppe_: do you use kubuntu Intrepid (8.10) or hardy (8.04)
[17:35] <PolitikerNEU> Hello everyone! I got a problem with postgresql: Whenever I want to start it using sudo /etc/init.d/postgresql-8.3 start, I get the failure message: 2008-11-08 18:04:55 CET FATAL:  couldn't access private key file »server.key« : Permission denied (or something like that)
[17:35] <giuseppe_> KDesk: hardy
[17:36] <KDesk> giuseppe_: take a look here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/ToshibaSatelliteA40 It is not the same but can help
[17:36] <giuseppe_> KDesk: now I give it a look... meanwhile I posted you lspci result... ok?
[17:37] <KDesk> giuseppe_: Yes, I have see it.
[17:37] <PolitikerNEU> sry, my problem is solved
[17:38] <david__> KDesk: figured it out thanks I set up dragon
[17:38] <KDesk> david__  :)
[17:39] <giuseppe_> KDesk: any idea?
[17:39] <david__> legate: thanks as well
[17:40] <KDesk> giuseppe_: I have found some sites with similar models http://ax5.com/laptops/toshiba_a50_110/   http://www.geocities.com/olive_esseret/
[17:40] <legate> david__: You're welcome.
[17:43] <KDesk> giuseppe_: you can also install those packages toshset and toshutils
[17:44] <giuseppe_> KDesk: do you know the function?
[17:44] <KDesk> giuseppe_: look at adept or apt, the first one: Access much of the Toshiba laptop hardware, and the second Toshiba laptop utilities
[17:45] <giuseppe_> KDesk: well, thanks a lot... now I try.
[17:45] <giuseppe_> KDesk: See you next time... ciao and have a nice afternoon or evening... I don't know!
[17:45] <giuseppe_> KDesk: Ciao!
[17:46] <KDesk> giuseppe_: those bugs can also be your problem https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/108056 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/281846
[17:46] <KDesk> giuseppe_: ciao!
[17:46] <giuseppe_> KDesk: cool, I'll see those! :)
[17:48] <KDesk> giuseppe_: also https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport and  http://www.linux-laptop.net/
[17:56] <PerSeL> zzz i need help
[17:56] <PerSeL> i by mistake removed the program panel
[17:57] <PerSeL> where i see my open programs
[17:57] <PerSeL> how can i get it back?
[17:59] <mitsarionas> PerSeL: right click on desktop -> new panel and on that add a task manager (i think) widget
[18:00] <MeanderingCode> hello, all...does anyone know why changing keyboard shortcuts in my 8.10 install causes them to stop working?
[18:00] <PerSeL> mitsarionas: i mean the bottom why? where the programs are running
[18:00] <MeanderingCode> *even going back to the defaults
[18:01] <kogollo> xd
[18:02] <PerSeL> MeanderingCode: maybe the shortcuts you trying to use alrdy in use
[18:03] <ivan_> exit
[18:04] <mitsarionas> PerSeL: do you have a panel that it just doesn't show the open windows?
[18:04] <MeanderingCode> PerSeL:  example: tried to change "Application Launcher" shortcut from default to "Ctrl+Escape", which was taken, so i click "default" (Alt+F1), which worked previously, now i can't get any shortcuts to open the application launcher
[18:05] <mitsarionas> MeanderingCode: i had once removed the application launcher and when i added it again the shortcut stopped working
[18:05] <shoaib> Hello
[18:05] <shoaib> i got a query
[18:06] <MeanderingCode> mitsarionas:  did you get it working again??
[18:06] <mitsarionas> MeanderingCode: i just removed plasmarc :)
[18:06] <shoaib> anyone willing to help me
[18:06] <mitsarionas> and it restored the default
[18:06] <MeanderingCode> mitsarionas:  and it autogenerated a default one for you?
[18:06] <PerSeL> mitsarionas: i can get it run but i can't set it back to bottom panel
[18:06] <MeanderingCode> *thanks
[18:06] <mitsarionas> MeanderingCode: yeah
[18:07] <mitsarionas> PerSeL: hmmm you should add the widget from the panel's "add widgets"
[18:08] <shoaib> What are Widgets
[18:08] <PerSeL> mitsarionas: hmmm now it's there but it's coming from the right side
[18:08] <PerSeL> mitsarionas: even after the clock
[18:09] <mitsarionas> PerSeL: with the configuration panel open, just click on the task manager and move it anywhere you like
[18:09] <PerSeL> ok done
[18:09] <mitsarionas> :)
[18:09] <PerSeL> thank you
[18:09] <mitsarionas> ur welcome
[18:09] <PerSeL> little noobie with kde
[18:09] <PerSeL> i tried gnome
[18:10] <PerSeL> but kde also looks good
[18:10] <mitsarionas> i'm still learning kde4's quirks too :)
[18:10] <replman> Hi! I'm trying to write a little csh-script: http://pastebin.com/d58353e8d
[18:10] <PerSeL> like a week that i swtiched from stupid vista
[18:11] <MeanderingCode> mitsarionas:  didn't work (removing plasmarc)
[18:11] <replman> This works fine if i call it with a file without spaces. But if i have spaces like "./test\ with\ spaces/file.txt", i only get "test"
[18:11] <replman> how to handle this?
[18:12] <mitsarionas> MeanderingCode: maybe plasma-appletrc too? don't remeber exactly
[18:13] <mitsarionas> MeanderingCode: it didn't reset to default at all? or the shortcut just didn't work?
[18:13] <david__> hello Is there a way to get skype when I have a amd64 pc with 8.10?
[18:14] <ubuntu_> does anyone know efi
[18:14] <MeanderingCode> okay, now i don't even see application launcher in any of the shortcut catagories
[18:14] <mitsarionas> :S
[18:15] <mitsarionas> want my plasma config files?
[18:15] <MeanderingCode> mitsarionas:  that would be great
[18:15] <mitsarionas> k hang on
[18:18] <mitsarionas> http://pastebin.com/d10146c67 is plasmarc
[18:18] <MeanderingCode> mitsarionas:  not sure what my problem is, but i accepted the transfer and it's just sitting there doing nothing
[18:19] <mitsarionas> and http://pastebin.com/d39ed6a6d is plasma-appletsrc
[18:20] <mitsarionas> i think there's an line with the alt-f1 shortcut in the last one
[18:20] <can_> hi
[18:20] <mitsarionas> gotta go... food's served :)
[18:20] <mitsarionas> cya
[18:22] <ubuntu_> anyone know the command to see all partions -hidden and protected as well
[18:22] <MeanderingCode> mitsarionas:  before you go....could you pastebin the appletsrc?
[18:23] <ubuntu_> ?
[18:25] <FuriousGeorge> hey all
[18:25] <MeanderingCode> can anyone who's alt+f1 application launcher shortcut works pastebin their plasma-appletsrc file?
[18:26] <ubuntu_> sorry this may be a stupid question but how do you reply to someones name
[18:26] <maxbaldwin> ubuntu_ just say their name. like say 'maxbaldwin' and it'll be red.
[18:26] <maxbaldwin> If that's what you mean
[18:27] <maxbaldwin> for me.
[18:27] <ubuntu_> do u just type it? i thought there was a short cut
[18:27] <ubuntu_> thought
[18:27] <ubuntu_> yzeah maxbaldwin it was
[18:27] <maxbaldwin> well
[18:27] <maxbaldwin> if you type 'maxba' and press TAB, it;ll finish it for you.
[18:28] <maxbaldwin> or if I type 'ubun' TAB, it will finish the nick for you.
[18:28] <ubuntu_> ahh thx mate
[18:28] <maxbaldwin> yup
[18:28] <ubuntu_> maxbaldwin: that was what i was looking for haha
[18:28] <ubuntu_> love it
[18:28] <maxbaldwin> sure thing
[18:29] <asraniel> hi. When i install the qt4 debug library. how can i use it? i see that the libqt libs are simlinks to the real libraries. Is there a command to point them all to the correct debug library?
[18:33] <milian> anyone knows a way to connect via networkManager on the console?
[18:34] <mehdi> #apache
[18:34] <mehdi> hi
[18:36] <isaacj87> Hey guys, how does one get the nifty sysinfo like in OpenSUSE?
[18:36] <mehdi> i have a special probleme: when i use my dns name with my favory browser  i see my ip  someone know why
[18:36] <isaacj87> I found one on KDE-Apps.org, but I was hoping it was in the repos?
[18:37] <DaSkreech> mc__: Hey
[18:39] <DaSkreech> legate: if you want to find a program you should use which
[18:39] <legate> DaSkreech: Yes, if you know the exact name.
[18:40] <slap> anyone has kubuntu 8.10 installed with vbox? I've a problem with mouse integration
[18:40] <chris_rc1> hi
[18:41] <chris_rc1> how do i rip a dvd in k3b?
[18:42] <emilsedgh> chris_rc1: right click on selection box
[18:43] <chris_rc1> which ine?
[18:43] <chris_rc1> one
[18:44] <chris_rc1> emilsedgh: i don't get to the ripping dialog
[18:44] <emilsedgh> dunno then
[18:46] <mitsarionas> MeanderingCode: here?
[18:46] <MeanderingCode> mitsarionas:  yes
[18:46] <mitsarionas> http://pastebin.com/d39ed6a6d is the plasma-appletsrc
[18:48] <MeanderingCode> mitsarionas:  i'm going to add what you have at line 110-1...i don't have that in mine
[18:49] <mitsarionas> :) hope that does the trick
[18:50] <MeanderingCode> i'll be right back and tell you :)
[18:55] <MeanderingCode> mitsarionas:  nope
[18:56] <MeanderingCode> mitsarionas:  like i said before, i can't even see the app in the settings manager's keyboard shortcuts list
[18:58] <mitsarionas> MeanderingCode: :(
[19:00] <mitsarionas> you could always delete all of .kde if you're desperate enough or if there aren't that many things you've  customized...
[19:00] <MeanderingCode> i also somehow have two little moon things in the upper right, both give options "add widgets" and "lock widgets", one of which also gives "zoom in" and "add activity", neither of which buttons do anything
[19:01] <MeanderingCode> so i guess i just might delete all of .kde and .kde4
[19:01] <mitsarionas> are you using hardy or intrepid?
[19:02] <MeanderingCode> intrepid
[19:02] <MeanderingCode> fresh install, not upgrade
[19:02] <MeanderingCode> i had no kde in my ~ before, either, because i'm coming from xubuntu hardy, though i kept my home folder
[19:03] <mitsarionas> how did .kde4 come up?
[19:04] <MeanderingCode> pardon?
[19:04] <mitsarionas> i thought intrepid uses only .kde
[19:04] <MeanderingCode> mmm, it does (in the home directory)
[19:05] <MeanderingCode> i had been digging through many user- and system-level kde files (to deal w/ a few roadblock-issues)
[19:06] <MeanderingCode> kde4 is nice, though i feel like this implementation is not as stable as my good ol' xfce4
[19:06] <mitsarionas> i never used anything but kde... :S
[19:07] <mitsarionas> actually the first thing i tried was gnome, but i didn't like it one bit
[19:07] <MeanderingCode> i started with fluxbox....loved it, but got intrigued by compositing, so went to xfce...gnome is silly
[19:08] <MeanderingCode> gnome is more bloated than xfce, but when it comes to "full featured", it falls well short, so why use it instead of kde if features is what you want?
[19:08] <mitsarionas> yeah :)
[19:09] <mitsarionas> i need to see some more de's though...
[19:09] <MeanderingCode> de's?
[19:09] <MeanderingCode> ahhh
[19:09] <MeanderingCode> nevermind
[19:09] <mitsarionas> :)
[19:10] <MeanderingCode> xfce is nice for light....most tweaking to config is through text or cli, though (the settings manager is light, as well)
[19:10] <MeanderingCode> fluxbox is wonderful, but there is no compositing (really a window manager, not a desktop environment)
[19:11] <MeanderingCode> enlightenment is beautiful, but development is in geologic time, nearly
[19:11] <dennister> what can cause a "new" never-used mobo (manuf. 2002) to have its parts simply stop working during livecd loading? usually I hear the drive stop, going quieter, but sometimes a livecd will load and keyboard/mouse don't work
[19:12] <MeanderingCode> mitsarionas:  gotta run....wiping .kde and hoping for some better luck next time :)
[19:12] <MeanderingCode> probably be back
[19:12] <mitsarionas> i think i'll try them all just before the next clean install...so that i don't have to worry about all those packages left installed...
[19:12] <mitsarionas> ok
[19:14] <mehdi> f
[19:20] <carloslicea> how can i find out which Wireless card I have? and which driver is it using?
[19:21] <mehdi> #apache-fr
[19:22] <MeanderingCode> mitsarionas:  well, alt+f1 works!
[19:22] <carloslicea> !wireless
[19:23] <MeanderingCode> here's something funny: my panel is set up the same
[19:23] <MeanderingCode> ??
[19:24] <mitsarionas> MeanderingCode: :D nice
[19:24] <MeanderingCode> mitsarionas:  did you grep that my panel is set up the same??
[19:24] <MeanderingCode> odd
[19:25] <mitsarionas> lol weird!
[19:25] <MeanderingCode> here's a possibility: i didn't delete .kde, i renamed it .kde.back
[19:26] <MeanderingCode> though most everything was set to defaults and the kde splash certainly paused at the first (hard disk) icon for a while before continuing to load
[19:27] <PSiL0> hmmm placed my mame roms (zipped) in a home directory I made, and kamefu sees nada
[19:28] <mitsarionas> MeanderingCode: tough i wish there was a better way to fix this shortcut thing
[19:29] <MeanderingCode> mitsarionas:  there is always a better way in linux (doing what i did is one step up from a windows move, only cause you can't do that in windows without hosing the system)
[19:29] <mitsarionas> actually i'd be good if there was a way to create a global shortcut to any widget (like show desktop)
[19:29] <MeanderingCode> it's just that the way is like enlightenment: undocumented ;)
[19:29] <mitsarionas> yeah :)
[19:31] <mitsarionas> MeanderingCode: btw do you have kde 4.1.3?
[19:31] <mitsarionas> some of my plasmoids broke when i upgraded
[19:33] <dennister> what can cause a "new" never-used mobo (manuf. 2002) to have its parts simply stop working during livecd loading? usually I hear the drive stop, going quieter, but sometimes a livecd will load and keyboard/mouse don't work
[19:38] <MeanderingCode> mitsarionas:  i don't know....the kde package is 5:48ubuntu1, but it depends on >=4:4.1.1
[19:39] <MeanderingCode> i remember upgrading a bunch of kde things from the ubuntu repos a couple days ago
[19:41] <mitsarionas> what version is your kdebase?
[19:42] <MeanderingCode> 4.1.2
[19:42] <MeanderingCode> did you get 4.1.3 from ubuntu repos?
[19:42] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[19:42] <mitsarionas> yeah, from backports
[19:42] <mitsarionas> i think that's when half my plasmoids stopped working
[19:44] <MeanderingCode> does alt+tab walk through windows in a static order for you?
[19:44] <ActionParsnip> does anyone know how to stop icons in the system tray from being plain coloured blocks?
[19:45] <DaSkreech> MeanderingCode: huh?
[19:45] <DaSkreech> ActionParsnip: install KDE 4.2
[19:46] <MeanderingCode> DaSkreech:  when i alt+tab to switch windows, the order of the stack stays the same, so i can't just alt+tab back to the last focused window, i have to shuffle through the whole damn stack
[19:46] <MeanderingCode> i don't know if that's any better explanation
[19:47] <MeanderingCode> nevermind
[19:47] <DaSkreech> MeanderingCode: Nope mine is in last used order
[19:47] <ActionParsnip> DaSkreech: is there a guide any place you know of? (websearching right now)
[19:47] <MeanderingCode> compiz issue...probably related to focus stealing snafus
[19:47] <DaSkreech> MeanderingCode: Though I've been using ^F9 a lot now
[19:47] <mitsarionas> one alt-tab switches to the last used window for me
[19:47] <DaSkreech> MeanderingCode: Ah Compiz
[19:47]  * DaSkreech goes to sit away from the conversation
[19:48] <s00t> hey.. can anyone help me with a non-existent zoom out feature in kde 4.1?
[19:49] <s00t> i've tried restarting plasma, but that doesn't help.
[19:49] <DaSkreech> s00t: It was patched out by Kubuntu
[19:49] <s00t> ooh..  ha that explains it.
[19:50] <DaSkreech> Yep it would
[19:50] <s00t> gracias.
[19:51] <ActionParsnip> January 27, 2009 Expected release date of KDE 4.2
[19:51] <mitsarionas> so did anyone update to kde 4.1.3 from backports on intrepid?
[19:55] <asraniel> hi. how can i get the debug symbols for qt4 to work? i installed them, but they are not found
[19:58] <ToyMan> is there a channel specifically for kubuntu/intrepid/kde4 questions?
[19:58] <MeanderingCode> does anyone else have two swoopy yellow (moon-like?) buttons in the upper right of their desktop? (both pop "add widgets" and "lock widgets" buttons, one also "zoom in" and "add activity"...only the "lock widgets" button does anything on either of them)
[19:59] <ToyMan> I'm looking to get krdc working in intrepid
[19:59] <ToyMan> can't find where to turn zeroconf on...
[19:59] <MeanderingCode> ToyMan:  zeroconf is managed by the avahi daemon
[19:59] <MeanderingCode> not technically part of kde
[20:00] <MeanderingCode> kde might have built in service management, though
[20:00] <ToyMan> MeanderingCode: i understand that krdc won't work without that, yes?
[20:00] <ToyMan> MeanderingCode: it does, but doesn't really let you turn services on..
[20:00] <MeanderingCode> ToyMan:  what is krdc?
[20:00] <ToyMan> remote desktop access
[20:00] <MeanderingCode> ahhh
[20:00] <ToyMan> it discovers 'hosts' via avahi/zeroconf
[20:01] <ToyMan> I'm switching an entire distrib. company to kubuntu/intrepid
[20:01] <ToyMan> trying to get all the services they want working
[20:01] <MeanderingCode> run 'pgrep -l avahi'
[20:01] <MeanderingCode> if avahi is running, it'll tell you
[20:02] <MeanderingCode> if not, you'll have to troubleshoot that, if so...?
[20:02] <ToyMan> pgrep?  haven't used that one
[20:03] <sd32> !mms
[20:03] <ToyMan> yep, avahi is running
[20:03] <MeanderingCode> pgrep (1)            - look up or signal processes based on name and other attributes
[20:03] <ToyMan> nice
[20:03] <MeanderingCode> pkill is nice, too
[20:03] <ToyMan> stuq@euclid:~$ pgrep -l avahi
[20:03] <ToyMan> 5264 avahi-daemon
[20:04] <ToyMan> stuq@euclid:~$ pgrep -l avahi
[20:04] <MeanderingCode> if a process needs a kill -9, you can pkill -9 $NAME instead of looking up PID
[20:04] <ToyMan> 5264 avahi-daemon
[20:04] <sd32> can anyone tell me how to get mms working in firefox?
[20:04] <ToyMan> MeanderingCode: cool
[20:04] <ubuntu> .
[20:04] <MeanderingCode> well, avahi is running...there are tools to browse avahi discovered servers/services (cli and a gui wrapper?)
[20:04] <ToyMan> so, avahi *is* running, but I'm not seeing any resources listed as available when i browse...
[20:05] <MeanderingCode> search with apt/aptitude/synaptic for avahi
[20:05] <MeanderingCode> those tools will help you figure out if your avahi-daemons are talking to each other between the machines on the LAN
[20:05] <MeanderingCode> what are you "browsing" with?
[20:06] <krio> it's a good idea install kubuntu 8.10 on a pentium 933 and 256 mb of ram?
[20:06] <ToyMan> well, the krdc client, brings up a browse window that lists all zeroconf/avahi offered services
[20:06] <ToyMan> there's also the zeroconf: browse in konq
[20:06] <ToyMan> nada in both
[20:07] <MeanderingCode> try to ping hostname.local (hostname being the hostname of some other lan machine)
[20:07] <bdoran> does anybody have experience with three monitor setups?
[20:07] <MeanderingCode> if you get a response, avahi is working, if you get no route or not found, it ain't
[20:07] <ActionParsnip> krio: id install kubuntu then install fluxbox and use that instead of kwin
[20:07] <MeanderingCode> krio:  i wouldn't think so, but certainly turn off desktop effects
[20:08] <ToyMan> well, local dns would give me that too, but in this instance you're right, no dns on the local lan
[20:08] <ActionParsnip> krio: if you can get some more ram in it it should be fine
[20:09] <spdJ> нужна помощь
[20:09] <ActionParsnip> !ru | spdJ
[20:09] <krio> it's very hard find a ram it's cost much
[20:10] <ToyMan> hmmm. so arp -a gives me host names and IP's associated...
[20:10] <spdJ> спс
[20:10] <dennister> what can cause a "new" never-used mobo (manuf. 2002) to have its parts simply stop working during livecd loading? usually I hear the drive stop, going quieter, but sometimes a livecd will load and keyboard/mouse don't work
[20:10] <ToyMan> but I can't ping the local host names
[20:10] <dennister> if it's the bios i've already searched high and low for updates...very difficult to find it
[20:11] <ActionParsnip> ToyMan: do you have the right dns names in /etc/resolv.conf
[20:11] <lakis1982> please help .. itrid installing compiz and it went wrong... my desktop now has very low resolution .. 800x600 and doesnt have another option to change it ....what should i do ?
[20:11] <MeanderingCode> ToyMan:  arp having hostname/ip associations won't affect avahi....
[20:12] <MeanderingCode> can you ping hostnames w/o the .local suffix?
[20:12] <ActionParsnip> lakis1982: configure your resolution, you can add lines to your xorg.conf for this or if you use nvidia, nvidia-settings will help
[20:12] <krio> fluxbox it 'is easy like kde?
[20:12] <ToyMan> MeanderingCode: yes, i'm aware of that... just a quick way to discover who's connected to me
[20:13] <TheTorin>  #ubuntu-ru-offtopic
[20:13] <TheTorin> sorry..
[20:13] <ToyMan> krio: fluxbox is very nice, *much* more lightweight than kde, is more 'geeky' has some nice features kde doesn't
[20:13] <lakis1982> what should i add to xorg.conf??
[20:14] <lakis1982> when i click on nvidia settings it says that im not using nvidia x driver ,,  but i go to envy and it says that nvidia driver is enabled...
[20:14] <krio> may i try it on kubuntu 7.04?
[20:15] <lakis1982> actionparnship ??
[20:15] <ActionParsnip> krio: you can still run the same kde apps, yuo just dont get the unnecesary gloss which can slow older systems down
[20:18] <lakis1982> hello?
[20:19] <DaSkreech> !fluxbox
[20:19] <krio> hy
[20:19] <DaSkreech> Grrr
[20:19] <DaSkreech> Why doesn't that mention #fluxbox ?
[20:19] <DaSkreech> Why doesn't that mention #fluxbuntu I mean ?
[20:20] <ToyMan> MeanderingCode: ah, ok, found it... in kde4 remote desktop has been spit into 2 prg.... used to be in one
[20:20] <MeanderingCode> ToyMan:  which two?
[20:20] <ToyMan> MeanderingCode: so, 'remote desktop sharing' and 'remote desktop client'
[20:20] <MeanderingCode> ToyMan:  and now it works?
[20:21] <ToyMan> well, working on that... just have to set up a connection... one sec
[20:21]  * MeanderingCode steps out for a stretch
[20:21] <ActionParsnip> lakis1982: sorry
[20:21] <ActionParsnip> lakis1982: http://pastebin.com/f4d2eea67
[20:22] <ActionParsnip> lakis1982: i run at 1024x768
[20:22] <ToyMan> MeanderingCode: ok, so the offered desktop now shows up in the zeroconf browser...
[20:22] <ActionParsnip> lakis1982: yuo can see the lines in my screen section
[20:22] <ToyMan> trying to connect...
[20:27]  * MeanderingCode is back
[20:28] <ToyMan> MeanderingCode: so, remote connections work, but seem a bit sketchy, even over the local lan
[20:28] <ToyMan> mouse pointer dissapears
[20:29] <Saltire> !quiz
[20:29] <ToyMan> pretty jerky in the control of things
[20:29] <ToyMan> lot of lag, even over the local lan
[20:29] <MeanderingCode> ToyMan:  would xdmcp remote logins work for what you need?
[20:29] <ToyMan> I'll probably try the nomachine thing
[20:29] <MeanderingCode> what's the nomachine thing?
[20:30] <ToyMan> MeanderingCode: havn't tried xdmcp for a long time, was very laggy years ago, but I'll give that a shot
[20:31] <ToyMan> nomachine.com... highly accelerated x windows remote access over encrypted connections
[20:31] <MeanderingCode> i'm running it right now (laptop on dock, desktop and remote login on laptop on different vt's....i like it :)
[20:32] <ToyMan> MeanderingCode: ah, good to know, I'll give that one a try
[20:32] <ToyMan> MeanderingCode: it's interesting setting up an entire company in linux... a lot more options
[20:33] <MeanderingCode> ToyMan:  xdmcp can turn crappy hardware into great consoles if you have enough servers to run all the consoles
[20:33] <MeanderingCode> then you only worry about your servers being good-enough-machines
[20:34] <ToyMan> MeanderingCode: thanks for your help, have to log off now
[20:35] <MeanderingCode> ToyMan:  good luck
[20:37] <Saltire> !ask
[20:38] <sd32> !wpa
[20:40] <asraniel> hi. how can i get the debug symbols for qt4 to work? i installed them, but they are not found
[20:42] <anubis> Macbook running Kubuntu single boot .... i call it Luxbook
[20:42] <anubis> lol
[20:43] <anubis> can anyone tell me where to find the xorg.conf again?
[20:44] <asraniel> anubis: /etc/X11/
[20:46] <anubis> asraniel: thx mate
[20:46] <anubis> wts the txt editor called in kubuntu?
[20:46] <MeanderingCode> does kubuntu use NetworkManager?
[20:46] <anubis> the native one :P .. under gname its like gedit or something?
[20:47] <anubis> MeanderingCode: yeah it does use network manger
[20:47] <noisan> anubis: kate
[20:47] <anubis> noisan: that was the one thx
[20:47] <chairman> i can't bring up my adept for some reason
[20:47] <fale> what's the name of a 'distribuited' qt4 based irc client?
[20:47] <ryanakca> How can I make knetworkmanager connect to <X> wlan0 connection on startup ?
[20:48] <noisan> I'm trying to ./configure pycairo-1.4.12 (since I need it for awn-curves) but I get a strange error
[20:48] <noisan> checking for CAIRO... configure: error: Package requirements (cairo >= 1.4.12) were not met:
[20:48] <fale> ryanakca: set it as default connection
[20:48] <ubuntu> hi im using the live cd right now and want to install kubuntu 8.10 but I cant find a way to build an encrypted partition
[20:48] <MeanderingCode> anubis:  i ask because i installed xubuntu-desktop and now i have kde's network icon but i also have the NetworkManager system tray icon i had in XFCE
[20:48] <noisan> That's what I'm trying to install... how do I get around this?
[20:48] <MeanderingCode> just trying to sus out where it's starting from and if i have redundancy and conflict happening
[20:49] <noisan> How can the installation of the program be dependent on having itself installed? Moment 22?
[20:50] <anubis> MeanderingCode: mate did u start witha  fresh install? or did u install xubuntu over kubuntu?
[20:50] <anubis> brb
[20:51] <ubuntu> 8.04 had a button to create an encrypted / partition
[20:53] <busfahrer> Excuse me, is there any way of getting a multi-line taskbar in KDE4?
[20:54] <ryanakca> fale: how can I do that?
[20:55] <fale> ryanakca: configuring the wireless network
[20:55] <fale> there is a tag box
[20:55] <uga> busfahrer: patching the code
[20:55] <mits> i installed several packages from backports, is there a way to automatically revert all packages to the previous versions?
[20:56] <uga> busfahrer: the option is available on 4.2, but not 4.1 afaik
[20:57] <ryanakca> fale: ... where... Right Click systray icon -> Edit connections -> Select my connection -> Edit Connection. I can change the ESSID, and yes(then configure)/no wireless security.
[20:57] <busfahrer> uga: So it will be included in 4.2 by default?
[20:58] <im_cyco> xinerama? nvidia? anyone using similar setup?
[20:59] <ubuntu> it was called LUKS on hardy as far as I remember
[21:00] <ryanakca> ubuntu: what was? LUKS is Linux Unified Key System iirc.
[21:01] <ubuntu> yes Im about to install intrepid on my laptop and want to encrypt the HDD on hardy there was a button at the install gui but I can find none at the intrepid gui
[21:03] <ryanakca> ubuntu: ah, don't know, sorry. I've always used the alternate CD for systems with LUKS
[21:03] <ubuntu> does it work with the alternate CD?
[21:03] <ubuntu> I mean installing an encrypted FS?
[21:04] <ryanakca> ubuntu: I haven't selected the option, but its there, yes. Encrypted LVM
[21:04] <ubuntu> thx
[21:05] <ryanakca> ubuntu: I haven't used it because I only see the need to encrypt my /home and swap... anything else can be found on any Ubuntu install
[21:06] <DaSkreech> uga: :-P
[21:06] <uga> busfahrer: yes
[21:06] <uga> hi DaSkreech
[21:07] <DaSkreech> hi
[21:08] <shoaib> Guys
[21:08] <shoaib> I installed plasma from Synaptic manager
[21:08] <shoaib> but i see no change
[21:08] <shoaib> any guess
[21:09] <ActionParsnip> shoaib: change from what?
[21:09] <shoaib> Whats Plasma for actually
[21:10] <shoaib> its for visuals... am i rite
[21:10] <ActionParsnip> shoaib: its the bottom bar in kde 4.1
[21:11] <slow-motion> hi
[21:11] <shoaib> so do i have to enable the kde desktop for getting plasma
[21:11] <maxbaldwin> !hello | slow-motion
[21:11] <uga> busfahrer: in 4.2 there'll be options to automatically increase number of rows when necessary. Right now it doesn't increase rows automatically, but it does work fine manually, forcing rows to whatever you need
[21:11] <uga> busfahrer: so I guess it should be fine by the time it's released
[21:12] <slow-motion> hi maxbaldwin
[21:12] <uga> busfahrer: also, grouping is done when necessary, and a little number shows how many windows have been grouped into one
[21:12] <ActionParsnip> shoaib: you make kde your session type when you login. Im guessing you have come over from gnome?
[21:12] <DaSkreech> shoaib: run plasma from the command line
[21:12] <shoaib> yes im from gnome
[21:13] <ActionParsnip> shoaib: log off, change session type to kde and log in
[21:13] <DaSkreech> ActionParsnip: he didn't install KDE
[21:13] <DaSkreech> just plasma
[21:13] <ActionParsnip> DaSkreech: oic
[21:13] <DaSkreech> shoaib: you may want to install the plasmoids package as well
[21:13] <ActionParsnip> shoaib: run plasma from a launcher
[21:13] <shoaib> how to change the session to kde
[21:13] <ActionParsnip> shoaib: no need to, i was mistaken
[21:14] <shoaib> Its showing "Could not open location"
[21:14] <ActionParsnip> shoaib: try tab completing it
[21:15] <shoaib> sorry i cant get u
[21:15] <ActionParsnip> shoaib: plasma                plasmaengineexplorer  plasmapkg             plasmoidviewer
[21:15] <shoaib> wats tab completing
[21:15] <ActionParsnip> shoaib: you know how you tab complete names in here, you can do that with commands and file names in konsole / terminal / yakuake / etc
[21:16] <squarebracket> is kubuntu switching to kde4 now?
[21:16] <ActionParsnip> squarebracket: intrepid on mine came with kde 4.1
[21:17] <DaSkreech> squarebracket: It has already
[21:17] <DaSkreech> squarebracket: You will have to use 3rd party repos to use KDE3
[21:18] <DaSkreech> shoaib: press alt+F2 then type plasma
[21:18] <shoaib> how to switch to KDE from GNOME
[21:18] <DaSkreech> !kde
[21:18] <DaSkreech> shoaib: are you on Ibex ?
[21:19] <squarebracket> ok, thanks, i guess it didn't upgrade some things when i updated to intrepid, as update manager is telling me to update a few things..
[21:19] <shoaib> UBUNTU 8.04
[21:19] <maxbaldwin> Help.
[21:20] <ActionParsnip> !ask | maxbaldwin
[21:20] <maxbaldwin> in kate, how can I make it so that it doesn't make a file.ext~ every time?
[21:20] <alonea> I have a built in mic and webcam and the webcam seems to work (At least it worked on the webcam setup on aMSN), but my mic does not. What should I do?
[21:20] <DaSkreech> hi alonea :-)
[21:21] <alonea> what up DaSkreech. Back on irc again.
[21:21] <DaSkreech> maxbaldwin: Settings
[21:21] <DaSkreech> alonea: So I see :0
[21:21] <ActionParsnip> alonea: is it muter in kmix?
[21:21] <ActionParsnip> alonea: have you cranked the mic boost?
[21:21] <uga> maxbaldwin: settings->editor component->open/save->backup on save
[21:22] <uga> disable it
[21:22] <alonea> ActionParsnip: ah ok, I had to list it on kmix. its really confusing cause there is Front Mic and Mic
[21:22] <maxbaldwin> yup, got it
[21:22] <uga> maxbaldwin: at your own risk (tm) =)
[21:22] <maxbaldwin> thanks all who helped.
[21:24] <alonea> also, anything on proper touchpad drivers?
[21:25] <ActionParsnip> alonea: id check both, and also push mic boost up
[21:28] <alonea> ActionParsnip: when I put one of them all the way up I heard a loud hiss
[21:28] <alonea> so I assume its working
[21:28] <alonea> brb...
[21:28] <anubis> is there a command to see all attached drives? so i can work out which drive my external usb drive is
[21:29] <ActionParsnip> anubis: sudo fdisk -l
[21:30] <MeanderingCode> anubis:  about my earlier question re:NetworkManager applet....i installed kubuntu 8.10 keeping ~ from xubuntu 8.04 and 'aptitude install xubuntu-desktop'
[21:31] <Ozzy> sup
[21:31] <anubis> MeanderingCode: yeah which is prolly ur getting the errors..
[21:32] <anubis> MeanderingCode: i find ubuntu isn't the most flexible distros when it comes to having multiple .. window managers
[21:32] <Ozzy> so like. I just got kubuntu and I'm pretty lost. anyone want to help me out? =D
[21:32] <anubis> MeanderingCode: ill be back soon i gotta go do something again lol.. stay here:P
[21:32] <MeanderingCode> anubis:  i noticed :)
[21:32] <MeanderingCode> ha
[21:32] <ActionParsnip> anubis: you can run any window manager you want
[21:32]  * MeanderingCode laughs
[21:33] <ActionParsnip> why would ubuntu have any issue running a different window manager?
[21:34] <MeanderingCode> ActionParsnip:  yes you can run any window manager you want, but it seems the way the window manager package depencies are handled causes redundant program conflicts
[21:34] <DaSkreech> MeanderingCode: You can't install a window manager?
[21:34] <ActionParsnip> MeanderingCode: compile from source then
[21:34] <msaleh> hi
[21:34] <anubis> i need help with a cat
[21:35] <ActionParsnip> anubis: ask away
[21:35] <anubis> he is out of control. has anyone got some shackles i can borrow?
[21:36] <ActionParsnip> anubis: get hm some catnip
[21:36] <toby_> In Kubuntu 8.10 system settings, if I click "Display", my screen just goes black. How else can I disable compositing? Doesn't seem to be in ~/.kde/share/config/kwinrc
[21:37] <dennister> i need some help with a new build :(
[21:37] <dennister> what can be causing everything to basically shut down?
[21:38] <anubis> he likes the cat nip!
[21:38] <busfahrer> "Bluetooth is currently broken for Kubuntu Intrepid due to a last minute upgrade of the bluez stack. (Bug 280997)" <-- Will I have to wait for a next Kubuntu release for the fix or is there a possibility of a fix via the normal update process?
[21:39] <dennister> "new" mobo, never used, p4, good optical drives, good detection in bios, but no matter what I do, even a livecd will basically stop working, usually before OS loads, but sometimes afterwards, and then mouse suddenly shuts down, then optical drive, then hdd...fans are still working, but...
[21:39] <Ozzy> how can I have multiple monitor support so I use both and they're not mirrored? o_O
[21:40] <dennister> i even just swapped the psu, now an enermax 300W with 2A on 5vsb and 22a on 12+ rail
[21:41] <ActionParsnip> dennister: does it run live cd ok?
[21:42] <dennister> only 1 hdd, only one optiical, no cards except video, floppy isn't even connected...still the system gradually shuts down b4 i can get any OS installed
[21:42] <dennister> ActionParsnip: nope...just tried with knoppix again, loaded ok this time, but then mouse shuts down, followed by rest of components
[21:43] <DaSkreech> anubis: man cat
[21:43] <ActionParsnip> dennister: try disabling acpi when you boot the cd
[21:43] <DaSkreech> toby_: alt+f3
[21:43] <dennister> the hdd in it does have gutsy (from older machine), and it does load, but again, mouse goes first
[21:44] <dennister> ActionParsnip: ok, will do
[21:45] <toby_> DaSkreech: Can you elaborate a little please?
[21:47] <DaSkreech> toby_: Turn off Desktop Effects under configure window behaviour
[21:47] <faruk_> hi
[21:48] <faruk_> turkish channel?
[21:48] <faruk_> where
[21:48] <toby_> DaSkreech: Great... thanks!
[21:48] <DaSkreech> !turkish
[21:49] <faruk_> thanks
[21:49] <DaSkreech> !thanks
[21:54] <dennister> ActionParsnip: ok, with acpi=off during knoppix loading & few mintues of testing, mouse stayed functional, and even though everything got really quiet (I thought everything was shutting down) mouse and keyboard stayed responsive
[21:54] <dennister> so i've now disabled acpi in bios, and am trying to install an OS again...wish me luck
[21:55] <ActionParsnip> dennister: cool, gl man
[21:56] <kkathman> hmm apparently kubuntu's screen saver in ibex is unstable
[21:56] <isaacj87> does Kubuntu 8.10 not use the PulseAudio?
[21:57] <groob> !russian
[21:59] <isaacj87> does Kubuntu 8.10 not use PulseAudio? What sound server does it use?
[22:01] <mauro> hola
[22:01] <mauro> esta coletera q es?
[22:02] <dennister> ActionParsnip: nope, it worked ok with knoppix, but even after disabling acpi in bios and trying to boot ubuntu livecd with acp=off it slowed down during loading of kernel; even during an attempted install of w2k it still freezes before partitioner comes up
[22:02] <ActionParsnip> !es | mauro
[22:02] <ActionParsnip> dennister: id perform a ram check
[22:02] <ActionParsnip> dennister: yuor PSU may be faulty
[22:03] <ActionParsnip> dennister: make sure its all connected 100% properly
[22:03] <dennister> i thought if i could get w2k installed I'd be able to get a bios check and (possibly) an upgrade of that installed
[22:04] <dennister> ActionParsnip: i've tried it now with 2 known-good psu's, and system freezes during ram check, too
[22:04] <ActionParsnip> dennister: well if you can get either os on it then it'll be a hardware thing
[22:05] <dennister> ActionParsnip: yes, gotta be hardware, but finding these bios is proving impossible...its an ecs elitegroup p4vxms mobo and I found the bios version at wimbios, and a newer one, but no link to the newer one
[22:06] <dennister> certainly aren't any bios for this mobo on ecs site
[22:06] <ActionParsnip> dennister: give them a call
[22:07] <ActionParsnip> dennister: you can upgrade the bios from a dosboot disk
[22:09] <chairman> is anyone having a problem getting adept manager to pop up on their screen?
[22:10] <ActionParsnip> chairman: i use apt-get, its slicker and cleaner
[22:12] <DaSkreech> chairman: 8.10 ?
[22:13] <flo__> hi,
[22:13] <DaSkreech> dennister: Freezes during RAM checks are never good. Did you try new RAM ?
[22:13] <DaSkreech> !hi
[22:14] <flo__> please how to make apt-get install also suggested pkgs?
[22:14] <ActionParsnip> flo__: use tab completion
[22:16] <flo__> ActionParsnip: pls elaborate
[22:16] <flo__> i do apt-get install xy
[22:17] <flo__> vorgeschlagene (=suggested) pakete: bla blub
[22:17] <flo__> install xy (j/N)?
[22:17] <bdog> I need help fixing my display after 8.10 upgrade. It says running in low graphics mode.
[22:17] <chairman> is it on terminal and yes 8.10. i think it crashes or something
[22:18] <bdog> I have the nvidia 7800
[22:19] <bdog> what is the package name for nvidia drivers?
[22:20] <chairman> the reason i asked is because kde 4.1.3 update
[22:21] <ActionParsnip> bdog: you can use envyng-qt
[22:21] <kkathman> can someone tell me why I can't put smb://server  into Kaffeine in Ibex??  I did this all the time in Hardy??
[22:22] <kkathman> smb://<servername>  works just find in Konqeror and brings up the samba share
[22:22] <bdog> ActionParsnip: thanks
[22:23] <wood> э
[22:28] <anubis> MeanderingCode: still here?
[22:29] <anubis> MeanderingCode: i think i might be able to help ive thought about it
[22:29] <anubis> MeanderingCode: let me know when your back...
[22:30] <DaSkreech> help with?
[22:30] <anubis> his problem..
[22:31] <anubis> i dunno if he has fixed it spoke to him about 1 houre ago.. but i had to go before i could help him
[22:31] <DaSkreech> what was it?
[22:32] <DaSkreech> flo__: All the time?
[22:33] <DaSkreech> anubis: The Window manager issue?
[22:35] <MinusSeven> Is BitTorrent meant to be fast?
[22:35] <MinusSeven> or can it be painfully slow?
[22:35] <ActionParsnip> MinusSeven: its as fast as the peers upload to you
[22:35] <MinusSeven> 211 days is the estimated time for completion
[22:36] <datenritter> hi. i accidentally installed intrepid and would like to downgrade kde. (i don't want version 4, no way.) i changed all occurrences of intrepid to hardy in /etc/apt/sources.list, but i am not sure about the version numbers. in dselect (i like dselect) i see version 5:47 of kde and it depends on e.g. kdemultimedia>= 4:3.4.3.
[22:36] <datenritter> is that going to be a kde 3 installation or kde 4 ?
[22:36] <ActionParsnip> MinusSeven: check how many peers you have for it, you'll find theres very few
[22:36] <datenritter> i.e.: how can i downgrade to kde 3?
[22:36] <MinusSeven> 1
[22:37] <MinusSeven> Says    Seeds 5, Peers 63
[22:37] <MinusSeven> transfers in is 2
[22:37] <ActionParsnip> MinusSeven: thats why, its only been uploaded to you from 1 guy
[22:37] <MinusSeven> ok
[22:37] <Mamarok> datenritter: don't change back to hardy, just install the kde3 files and remove the kde 4 ones
[22:37] <DaSkreech> MinusSeven: The more people who use it the faster is the concept
[22:37] <ActionParsnip> MinusSeven: torrent sped is not determined by the app
[22:38] <MinusSeven> Seeds 12 now
[22:38] <DaSkreech> datenritter: Do you want Ibex ?
[22:38] <ActionParsnip> MinusSeven: then it will get faster
[22:38] <Mamarok> the files are still available, there just not maintained anymore
[22:38] <DaSkreech> Mamarok: They are not available from the Ubuntu Repos
[22:39] <datenritter> Mamarok: so, how do i do that?
[22:39] <DaSkreech> flo__: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/how-to-configure-apt-get-to-install-suggested-packages-169746/
[22:39] <datenritter> i just don't find the kde3-packages
[22:40] <DaSkreech> datenritter: They are not provided by the Ubuntu Repos anymore
[22:40] <anubis> DaSkreech: yeah mate had to do with network icons in flux box
[22:41] <DaSkreech> Right cool
[22:42] <datenritter> DaSkreech: ahem - you're saying i just *can't* install kde3 anymore?
[22:42] <datenritter> no way?
[22:42] <datenritter> not even with hardy-repos?
[22:42] <DaSkreech> datenritter: I'm saying that if you are on IbexUbuntu doesn't provide them
[22:42] <DaSkreech> That's not anywhere close to saying that it's impossible to install
[22:42] <datenritter> so i change the repos to hardy
[22:42] <DaSkreech>  there are quite a number of ways
[22:43] <DaSkreech> just none of them supported :)
[22:43] <datenritter> i don't need support
[22:43] <datenritter> ;)
[22:43] <datenritter> i just want kde3
[22:43] <datenritter> so, i switch to the hardy repos, right?
[22:43] <datenritter> btw, on the download-pages it says that 8.04 still features kde3
[22:43] <datenritter> and i was quite sure ;) i downloaded 8.04
[22:44] <Mamarok> DaSkreech: strange, I have only Ibex repos activated, the kde 3 files are all still here!
[22:44] <datenritter> of course i might as well just install debian, which still has the full-flavoured, stable and tested...
[22:44] <datenritter> ah
[22:45] <datenritter> Mamarok: are you sure they are available?
[22:45] <datenritter> maybe they just appear cause you still have them installed
[22:45] <Mamarok> datenritter: I have only kde 4, but the KDE 3 ones are still in the repos
[22:45] <datenritter> give me the name of one of them
[22:45]  * Mamarok uses KDE 4 since several months
[22:46] <datenritter> please
[22:46] <cooper> hi
[22:46] <Mamarok> moment
[22:46] <datenritter> all i see is python-kde3 and stuff
[22:48] <Mamarok> datenritter: kdelibs, version 4:3.5.10-0ubuntu6
[22:48] <bdog> my x server does not start after upgrade to 8.10. I need help getting the nvidia drivers working?
[22:48] <Mamarok> datenritter: I tell you the repos I have, moment...
[22:50] <datenritter> hmm, is see the packages are still separated in hardy
[22:51] <datenritter> i have kde and kde4 there
[22:51] <Mamarok> datenritter: do you have the ppa.launchpad archive of the Kubuntu -members activated?
[22:51] <datenritter> i will just deinstall kde* and the - what?
[22:51] <datenritter> what launchpad?
[22:51] <Mamarok> datenritter: check www.kubuntu.org
[22:52]  * datenritter is a notorious debian-user and installs kde only for... erm... people who do not know much about... computers... <_<
[22:52] <Mamarok> datenritter: first install kde 3, then you switch to the kde 3 desktop and uninstall the kde4 ones
[22:52] <Mamarok> and, btw, kde also comes in debian flavor :)
[22:54] <datenritter> i just did apt-get remove kde*
[22:54] <datenritter> B-)
[22:57] <datenritter> now i chose kdelibs, version 4:3.5.10-0ubuntu6 for inst
[22:58] <Mamarok> datenritter: no, read the docs first, there is not just one single file for kde, there are hundreds!
[22:58] <Mamarok> you asked me for an example file in the repos
[22:58] <datenritter> erm... i know, but it's installing the other ones as well
[22:58] <matt__> New to Kubuntu 8.10, and first real KD4 experience. After deleting the default toolbar and adding one to the top, how can I get the sound applet back? I looked and looked and couldn't find it.
[22:58] <datenritter> i hoped that somehow a meta-package would be selected
[22:59] <datenritter> so i get all the dependencies
[22:59] <Mamarok> datenritter: check for a kde-desktop like file
[22:59] <datenritter> what i don't know: will those dependencies be satisfied with kde3- or kde4-packages
[22:59]  * Mamarok doesn't remember the exact name
[22:59] <Apples_Tree> Hi, I'm having problems mounting a ntfs partition and setting the permissions for it. I'd like to have root with r+w+x, group foo with r+x and others with no permissions. I've managed to set the gid and umask but now I can't access them even if I'm part of the group with r+x permissions
[23:00] <Mamarok> datenritter: if you check the versions before, you would know...
[23:00] <datenritter> the problem with the versions is that they are package-versions.
[23:00] <datenritter> not kde-versions.
[23:00]  * Mamarok thinks so much about computer knowledge
[23:00] <datenritter> :wack:
[23:00] <matt__> New to Kubuntu 8.10, and first real KD4 experience. After deleting the default toolbar and adding one to the top, how can I get the sound applet back? I looked and looked and couldn't find it.
[23:01] <Mamarok> matt__: what sound applet are you talking about?
[23:01] <datenritter> arg, now i get it
[23:01] <Apples_Tree> kmix I wonder ?
[23:01] <matt__> Mamarok: the one in the notification area that allows you to change the volume/mute.
[23:01]  * Mamarok guesses too
[23:01] <Mamarok> exactly, that's kmix
[23:02] <matt__> Apples_Tree: I was thinking...but after starting it, it wouldn't go the the area.
[23:02] <Mamarok> matt__: alt-F2 and type kmix
[23:02] <matt__> Mamarok: ok.it comes up...but not in the notification area.
[23:02] <Mamarok> hm, in the system try you mean?
[23:03] <Mamarok> do you have a system try in your toolbar?
[23:03] <matt__> Mamarok: exactly...and the option for that is even checked.
[23:03] <Mamarok> *tray
[23:03] <matt__> Mamarok: I believe so, the networking app and amarok are there.
[23:03] <matt__> Mamarok: Yes..I do.
[23:03] <Mamarok> the loudspeaker icon should show when kmix is running, unless there is no system tray it can show up :)
[23:04] <matt__> Mamarok: perhaps I'll try logging out and seeing what that does.
[23:04] <datenritter> ok, now if i go through the files, understanding that there are actually real version numbers (duh), i see that i can only chose the "konqueror"-package, which is 4.1.2. - obviously a kde4-version. on my debian i still have 3.5.9. it's not in the repos. so... i'm lost.
[23:04] <Mamarok> matt__: no need to log out, just check if it's running
[23:05] <Mamarok> you can type the following command in the command line:
[23:05] <Mamarok> ps -Hef
[23:05] <Mamarok> gives you all the running apps in hierarchical order, if there is no kmix, just restart it
[23:06] <Mamarok> hm, so much for patience...
[23:06] <slow-motion> n8
[23:06] <Mamarok> datenritter: you should read the docs before doing things actually I'd say
[23:07] <Mamarok> there is a description for changing back to kde 3 for Intrepid
[23:07]  * Mamarok searches for that description
[23:07] <datenritter> ok
[23:07] <Mamarok> oh, and Google is your friend :)
[23:07] <datenritter> grmbl
[23:08] <datenritter> years of linux experience and kubuntu throws me back to situatins where i'm told to use google.
[23:08] <datenritter> GOOGLE!!!!
[23:08] <datenritter> arrg!
[23:08] <Mamarok> datenritter: do you red German?
[23:09] <Mamarok> read
[23:09] <datenritter> ja
[23:09] <datenritter> bin deutscher :)
[23:09] <Mamarok> here is a link then:
[23:09] <Mamarok> http://www.ubuntu-forum.de/index.php?page=Thread&postID=233624&s=b34cb75726bf4f5397d864819aaec5bf7c6ba9ea#post233624
[23:09] <Mamarok> the other forum is currently down with server problems, else you would find the same in ubuntuusers.de
[23:10] <datenritter> ok, so i just add another repository
[23:10] <datenritter> that's fine for me
[23:10] <datenritter> :)
[23:10] <Mamarok> datenritter: well, where do you thing I get informations to answer questions from? I search for them in the web!
[23:10] <DaSkreech> datenritter: apt.pearsoncomputing.net
[23:11] <Mamarok> DaSkreech: just gave him the link to it too, with a warning though not to start kde4 that's needed for
[23:11] <bdog> my x server does not start after upgrade to 8.10. I need help getting the nvidia drivers working?
[23:11]  * Mamarok is off to bed, cu folks
[23:12] <uga> bdog: is it the X server, or the desktop that fails?
[23:12] <uga> bdog: have you tried something like X :2 and see what happens in the output?
[23:12] <uga> (and see if the X server starts at alt+f8 or alt+f9)
[23:12] <DaSkreech> Mamarok: where are the docs for KDE3 for ibex ?
[23:13] <bdog> i will try
[23:13] <uga> ctrl+alt+f9 I meant, sorry
[23:13] <Mamarok> DaSkreech: see the link I just posted earlier
[23:13] <DaSkreech> datenritter: Sorry I had put that in to send to you over 1/2 hour ago and got a call then forgot to press enter
[23:13] <DaSkreech> Mamarok: Sleep well :)
[23:15] <bdog> uga: it says: ubuntu is running in low graphics mode. "problem parsing the config file" "error parsing the config file"
[23:17] <datenritter> DaSkreech: ...
[23:17] <zer0o> hi too much bass when listening to music, how do i set it the lowest level i can?
[23:17] <SJr|Nbook> Hello, Hello, Hello, Is anyone here familiar with how Multi-Monitors work in Windows?
[23:18] <DaSkreech> datenritter: Yes?
[23:18] <SJr|Nbook> I'd like to have that functionality in Linux
[23:18] <datenritter> DaSkreech: no comment. (phonecall...)
[23:20] <DaSkreech> !twinview
[23:20] <SJr|Nbook> Twinview blows, that's not how it works
[23:20] <DaSkreech> !multihead
[23:20] <DaSkreech> Grr
[23:20] <bdog> !nvidia
[23:20] <SJr|Nbook> The only thing Twinview does is make my screen  some stupid rectangle
[23:20] <DaSkreech> linuxmce: hi!
[23:20] <bdog> i have been!
[23:20] <SJr|Nbook> My monitors are not equal sized, in Windows that doesn't matter they maximize properly
[23:21] <SJr|Nbook> IN linux everything maximizes to both screens which is ridiculous
[23:21] <uga> bdog: X complains mentioning ubuntu?????
[23:21] <uga> this is news to me
[23:21] <SJr|Nbook> Especially when they are different sizes
[23:21] <uga> bdog: sounds like the xorg.conf config file is broken, but I cannot be sure, given the "ubuntu" message
[23:22] <uga> bdog: it looks like it's loading the "nv" driver
[23:23] <uga> and kde4 won't run without the full specced nvidia driver
[23:23] <bdog> oh
[23:23] <uga> I found some comments by people claiming that
[23:23] <SJr|Nbook> I'd like to have multi-monitor support like in Windows, on my notebook I Have a 1280x800 and a 1440x900 monitor. Currently twinview with Nvidia, just resizes X to 2720x900 which is unusable. There is a gap of screen that can't be seen. And maximization is to the screen. I'd like maximization to the current screen only. Ideas?
[23:23] <uga> bdog: you could try installing the nvidia binary from the nvidia.com website
[23:24] <bdog> uga: i'm doing that now
[23:24] <brent_> hello everyone!
[23:24] <uga> bdog: I never use ubuntu's provided nvidia drivers, so I really don't know how to enable or install them, sorry
[23:24] <mozzy> kde4 runs with nv driver but no 3d support
[23:24] <uga> bdog: once you install, you'll see you have an nvidia-xconfig binary
[23:24] <uga> use it to configure xorg.conf nicely
[23:24] <brent_> can someone help me?  I would like to put the firefox application on my desktop
[23:24] <amdpox> brent_, as an icon?
[23:25] <bdog> ok
[23:25] <brent_> yes, to launch the app
[23:25] <amdpox> brent_, applications -> internet -> firefox -> right click -> add launcher to desktop
[23:25] <brent_> I'm soooo new to kubuntu and linux
[23:25] <amdpox> oh kubuntu, right,
[23:25] <xenome> hi my name is bobby and i like to party wooooooooooooooooo
[23:25] <amdpox> sorry, didn't look at the channel
[23:25] <brent_> wow, I'll give it a try, thanks!
[23:26] <amdpox> you should probably be able to drag-and-drop the app from the menu to the desktop
[23:26] <mozzy> or drag and drop works in kde3
[23:26] <brent_> I fire the app off every time I try, lol
[23:26] <mozzy> from main menu
[23:26] <uga> xenome: we knew *nomes were *iots but didn't expect this much. Thanks for making clear
[23:26] <amdpox> brent_, are you in kubuntu 8.10?
[23:26] <brent_> lol, OK that was easy, and I'm feeling foolish!
[23:26] <brent_> yes 8.10, love it!
[23:27] <amdpox> :)
[23:27] <brent_> but am obviously way in the middle of a learning curve!
[23:27] <uga> mozzy: so does too under kde4, although I'm on 4.2
[23:27] <brent_> thanks for the advise, much appreciated
[23:27] <uga> not sure about 4.1
[23:28] <DaSkreech> uga: compiled from trunk ?
[23:28] <uga> yes, cmakekde as usual
[23:28] <uga> I svn upped yesterday night
[23:29] <bdog> uga: i got the same message
[23:29] <brent_> What are the popular application for kubuntu?
[23:29] <uga> bdog: have you tried running nvidia-xconfig?
[23:30] <uga> bdog: also maybe make sure the ubuntu driver is unloaded first: rmmod nvidia; nvidia-xconfig, let it overwrite xorg.conf, and then X:2
[23:30] <patan> hola españoles????????????????
[23:30] <brent_> also, I've seen konqueror crash a few times......nvidia-xconfig worked great for me, I installed the recommended aftermarket drivers 1.77 (I think)
[23:30] <uga> patan: #kubuntu-es, si mal no recuerdo
[23:30] <DaSkreech> brent_: plasma
[23:30] <uga> !es |patan
[23:30] <bdog> uga: yes
[23:31] <patan> thank you
[23:31] <brent_> plasma?
[23:31] <uga> bdog: uhm, that's very strange, I really wish I could help you but dunno how. Is it some new gfx card?
[23:31] <patan> no tengo buen nivel de ingles, GRACIAS
[23:31] <uga> de ná =)
[23:32] <brent_> plasma desktop as a app?  I've got it running, not sure what all to do with it, but it's running!
[23:32] <DaSkreech> brent_: It is your desktop. If you are seeing a KDE menu then you are running plasma
[23:33] <brent_> lol, OK gotcha!  I'm sooo green
[23:33] <bdog> what is x:2
[23:33] <brent_> and I used NVIDIA driver version 177.8
[23:33] <uga> bdog: X , not x
[23:33] <DaSkreech> bdog: It starts X on the 3rd screen
[23:33] <uga> bdog: it's the binary application name for the X server
[23:34] <bdog> no screens found
[23:34] <uga> bdog: that's the problem then
[23:34] <uga> the driver isn't working somehow
[23:34] <uga> bdog: no errors before that?
[23:35] <bdog> rgbPath is not a valid keyword
[23:35] <uga> aaaah, there you are
[23:35] <uga> bdog: have you run nvidia-xcfonfig as root?
[23:35] <uga> (sudo nvidia-xconfig)
[23:35] <bdog> sudo
[23:35] <uga> yes
[23:35] <uga> else it won't be able to overwrite the config file
[23:36] <bdog> yes
[23:37] <uga> uhm, it's strange
[23:37] <uga> bdog: you could try editing /etc/X11/xorg.conf manually
[23:37] <uga> bdog: and look for the line that contains "rgbPath"
[23:38] <uga> bdog: sounds like your issue is already known
[23:38] <uga> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-settings/+bug/274866
[23:38] <uga> bdog: comment out the line containing rgbPath
[23:39] <bdog> ok
[23:39] <uga> I wonder what's adding that line
[23:39] <jwaldo> Arrrgh, file sharing is evil\
[23:39] <uga> bdog: must be a problem with the nvidia tools provided in intrepid (which I never installed myself)
[23:47] <Sebboh-> ... ubuntu IRC is ... freenode.  Ok, already connected. =P
[23:51] <starenka> hello. i've just thinking about buying a bigger hdd. what's the easiest way to migrate the whole system?
[23:52] <starenka> i have a / /home data and swap partition
[23:55] <bdog> uga: that worked thanks
[23:55] <uga> congrats
[23:56] <bdog> this is...different
[23:57] <CyD_> starenka: you could probably use gparted to move the partitions
[23:57] <CyD_> starenka: you could also consider just adding the new hd to your existing system
[23:58] <Devourer> How do I upgrade 8.04 to 8.10?