[00:00] TheSheep, the problem is to find it :P [00:00] Sajuta: you can just install it with synaptic [00:01] Sajuta: whole xubuntu or just xfce [00:01] Sajuta: then you will be able to choose which one to use at login [00:02] TheSheep: Ohhh... Okay. I see. So if I wanted to do the whole Xubuntu package, what would I need to grab? Or is there some walkthrough I missed in my document search? [00:02] Sajuta: whole xubuntu would be xubuntu-desktop [00:03] Sajuta: xfce only is xfce [00:03] Right. Just wasn't sure if I needed anything else for it... then again it grabs the dependencies. Okay. I think I get it, now. :) [00:04] TheSheep: Thanks! [00:23] hmm [00:23] is there a way to get xubuntu to group simular apps? [00:27] Spreadsheet, it will, occasionally. [00:29] ok [00:30] i see a circle on the side of my windows [00:30] what is it [00:30] it sets the window sticky/unsticky [00:30] what does sticky and unsticky do [00:30] if a window is sticky, you can see it on all the workspaces you have. [00:30] ok [00:30] i see [00:30] cool [00:33] * alessiofachechi says goodnight [00:46] night everybody -> [00:48] night [01:29] hi all, quick question [01:29] what's the difference between 'alternate' and 'desktop' distros in the bittorrent section? [01:29] i can't seen to find anything about it in the help [01:30] oh [01:31] To run the Desktop CD (LiveCD + Install CD), you need 128 MB RAM to run or 192 MB RAM to install. The Alternate Install CD only requires you to have 64 MB RAM. [01:31] *^_^* [01:31] ty anyways [01:31] bye all [02:25] \ [02:25] hi i need help with something [02:26] i got evince but it isnt showing up in the menu [02:27] Spreadsheet: that's normal [02:27] TheSheep: so how do i change it? [02:27] Spreadsheet: copy /usr/share/applications/evince.desktop to ~/.local/share/applications and edit it [02:28] k [02:28] remove the NoDisplay=true line [02:29] k [02:30] wheres that [02:30] NoDisplay=true [02:30] line 227 [02:30] where [02:31] in that evince.desktop file [02:31] k [02:31] so do i leave that line blank [02:32] or should i backspace [02:32] you can just comment it out by putting a # at the beginning [02:32] ok [02:33] hmm i still dont see it... [02:33] in graphics, as 'document viewer' [02:33] k [02:33] its not there... [02:33] did you save the file? [02:33] yes [02:34] works for me [02:35] weird [02:35] now its working [02:35] did you edit the copy you made in .local/share/applications or the original in /usr/share/applications? [02:35] :D [02:35] thanks [02:35] :) [02:36] Spreadsheet: you can customize all of your menu entries this way [02:37] ok [02:44] Quick, I need a command line IRC client. [02:45] TelnetPorcupine: irssi [02:45] Thanks. [02:50] hi again [02:50] is there a guide on installig compiz on Xubuntu? [02:56] !compiz | Spreadsheet [02:56] Spreadsheet: Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - help in #compiz-fusion [02:56] k [02:56] thanks [03:01] xfwm4 was terminated. [03:01] There was something else terminated too. [03:02] So right now it shows up as that gray and black background with a mouse. [03:02] I can see in ps that my programs are still running. [03:04] SmoothPorcupine: type DISPLAY=:0.0 && xfwm4 [03:05] SmoothPorcupine: sorry, make it 'export DISPLAY=:0.0 && xfwm4' [03:10] ** (xfwm4:8955): WARNING **: Another Window Manager is already running [03:10] then it's still running, or another window manager [03:10] kill it first [03:12] SmoothPorcupine: btw, ircing from root is a bad idea, generally [03:12] Yeah. [03:15] Okay, so I'm IRCing in Ctrl-Alt-1, I typed what you said in Ctrl-Alt-2, and my original session is in Ctrl-Alt-7. [03:16] for some reason xfwm4 thinks that some window manager is still running [03:16] say, do you get a 'run' window when you press alt+f2? [03:16] (in the gui) [03:17] No, but I do with Ctrl-Alt-R. [03:17] ok, that means xfwm4 is running [03:17] now just use that run dialog to start xfdesktop and xfce4-panel [03:21] When I run xfce4-panel I just get a little box in the top left corner. [03:23] SmoothPorcupine: looks like you lost its config [03:23] SmoothPorcupine: say, do you have free space in your home? [03:24] Yes. [03:25] Can I get my programs back or will I need new windows for the new window manager? [03:29] I guess I can Google from here. [03:29] Thanks. [03:42] where do i do stuff with GDM again? [03:42] oh nvm [03:57] I can' t install xubuntu 8.10 can someone help me? [04:16] So was there any way to get the windows back? [07:55] Hey, how do I make it so I can launch Fluxbox? [07:56] I'm having trouble because I don't know how to kill the xfce process, but I'm used to fluxbox, fluxbuntu was my first linux experience [07:56] thanks in advance for any help [08:15] Nillerz, I guess that you could temporary kill xfwm and then start fluxbox. [08:15] I do it with making shortcut on desktop [08:15] or browsing with thunar or pcmanfm to /usr/bin of wm i would like to start [08:16] I fixed it. #ubuntu told me how [08:16] thanks though, that's what I was trying to do, kill xfwm [08:16] I don`t know how to make change permanently, though [08:16] I'm playing with fluxbox! IM PLAYING WITH FLUXBOX! [08:16] Nillerz, did it start with new Wm after restart? [08:17] nah, I just had to log out, go into sessions and change it there. [08:17] :/ [08:18] when i tried those 3d effects (compiz i think) , I was starting metacity --replace [08:18] Ah, Nillerz So, you have another environment now :) [08:19] Nillerz, How do you compare Openbox with fluxbox? [08:22] hello world! [08:23] After mounting an ISO DVD image, how do I play the movie? [08:26] MHz128: hows the structure? [08:26] is there a Video_TS dir? [08:26] dvd image, video_ts and audio [08:27] and in VIDEO_TS are there .vob files? [08:27] yes [08:27] there should be 4-5 .vob files arround ~1gb, you can play them after each other with your player [08:28] the fifth is a bit smaller though [08:28] vlc can play them, however is there a way to 'mount' the image, as if you had put the actualy movie into the drive...? [08:29] theres an "open device" option in vlc, what happens if you try to open the mountpoint as device? [08:29] im not quite sure if this works [08:30] oh, it does work... haha, i must have had an old version before :P [08:30] MHz128, Yes, you can mout it with mount command and -t iso9660 Or you can use gmountiso GUI for that [08:31] nikolam, great, ill try that. thanks! [09:29] i installed wbar deb package,but it didnt show up.anybody knows the reason? === bloodboy is now known as basementboy [11:43] join #xfce === juanantonio_ is now known as juanantonio [12:54] hi [12:55] hello. [12:57] I broke my xfce somehow... Tried sawfish window manager, didn't like it and started xfwm again. But today no wm started and i had to do it manually. Can someone tell me where to fix it please? [12:59] I already searched the web, but i don't know what to search for exactly [12:59] Ryuk, i suppose you use gdm? [13:00] or...? [13:00] yes [13:00] ok, so gdm loads automatically, right? [13:00] yes. It's just when i log in then, everything, except the wm, loads normally [13:00] sounds weird... [13:01] have you selected xfce session from gdm? [13:01] well, i selected nothing, let it stay on last session. But thats xfce [13:02] try to select xfce and boot/login again [13:02] hm, ok i try it [13:03] Thanks, it worked :D [13:04] I just don't understand why. But thats ok for now [13:04] well.. it's the magic ;) [14:15] Hey, stupid question, but what does that button on the left hand side of the title bar with the circle symbol on it so? [14:15] *What does it do, rather. [14:16] sk9: it pins the window down, so that it's visible on all workspaces [14:16] Ah-ha, thank you! You'd think I'd have figured that out myself...oh well... [15:00] hello [15:00] hello Spreadsheet [15:00] i installed compiz on my comp yesterday, and now i have to window borders [15:00] no [15:00] no window borders [15:01] what should i do? [15:08] hello again [15:11] Hi [15:11] Spreadsheet, did you solve the problem? [15:11] yes [15:11] cody-somerville o/ [15:11] emerald --replace XD [15:11] \o_ [15:12] printed out a few invoices [15:12] sweet money :] [16:37] hi how can i update mousepad? [16:38] hhh2: with the whole system [16:38] hhh2, ummm...sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install mousepad [16:39] or...to updte the entire system, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade [16:39] no [16:39] i want update only mousepad [16:39] hhh2, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install mousepad [16:40] is already up to date [16:40] version 0.2.13 [16:41] hhh2, that is the latest version available i9n *buntu [16:41] is there a newer version available? [16:43] is there a newer version available? [ hhh2 ] [16:43] yes [16:43] where? [16:43] version 4.4.3 [16:43] ok.... i will ask again.... where? donde esta? neride? [16:43] no that's xfce [16:44] i go to search [16:44] where ever you find it...follow the instructions at the same page [16:45] the version you have is the latest version available in any ubuntu distro, so you will need to compile from source, or install a .deb file [16:48] i dont' find in getdeb.net [16:49] getdeb.net is NOT the only place to find deb files [16:49] and, like i said....if you cant get a .deb, compile it from source [16:50] hhh2, is there a specific reason you need a newer mousepad? [16:50] and, the last non-translation update was in june [16:51] (and this is from reviewing the subversion info on xfce.org) [16:51] no [16:52] hhh2, then what is wrong with the currently available version/ [16:52] its just a PTE [16:52] (plain text editor) [16:52] gedit is better [16:53] hhh2, then use gedit [16:54] knome, so there WAS a specific reason he needed a newer version.....he thinks there are missing features [16:55] :) [16:55] the button for save a document [16:56] hhh2, there is no reason to triple the footprint of a plain text editor to save the user one click [16:56] [ctrl]=[S] does the same thing [16:56] *[ctrl]+[S] [16:57] vidd: memory is cheap, user convenience is expensive [16:58] if you think gedit is SOOOO superior, then use it....or hack the code, and add it to mousepad (and release it under some other name because i dont want that kind of bloat) [16:59] vidd: do you feel threatened? [17:00] TheSheep, no....but the devel's have added so much bloat that ive had to find some lighter alternatives [17:02] i want a irc client like kvirc or mirc in xfce and a twin pane file manager like total commander or krusader [17:02] hhh2, why not just use those apps? [17:03] hhh2, i find that xchat is a decent chat program [17:03] too high requirements [17:03] xchat is fairly light [17:04] * vidd has no use for a "twin-pane-file manager" so no suggestions there [17:04] hhh2: then use irssi and mindnight commander [17:04] no in terminal [17:04] TheSheep, that's exactly i was about to suggest ;> [17:04] why not? [17:04] he's afraid of the terminal [17:04] i want use mouse [17:05] hhh2, we can't offer you *everything*. you have to choose between lightness/features. [17:05] hhh2, xubuntu is not a free development factory. we use a very little amount of our own code. and even less apps we've written ourselves. [17:05] what exactly does a twin-panel file manager do? [17:06] it has two panels. [17:06] ;) [17:06] manage files using two panels :P [17:06] =\ so why not just open 2 instances of thunar? [17:06] no [17:06] vidd: too hard to control with keyboard [17:06] see emelfm2 is good [17:06] OH...cuzz that makes sence...and adds no bloat [17:07] TheSheep, he's AFRAID to use the keyboard! [17:07] but there are no tabs [17:07] hhh2, why don't you use it then? [17:07] i use it [17:07] hhh2, maybe you should contact the developer team of efelfm2 and ask them whether they will include tabs? [17:08] yes [17:08] No, this software (and others of its type) is all about 2 filelists. Much of its core functionality revolves around processing things from one known place to another known place, and it's not likely to all be re-written. As well as bookmarks, you can get menus of visited directories by pressing a key before clicking a foward or back button in a pane toolbar - those menus give quick access to lots of places, and they're cached between sessions. Last but [17:08] not least, the UI is crowded already. [17:09] so how do you suppose that any other project could do that easily? [17:09] or fit the tabs in the ui without compromising other features? [17:09] hhh2: well, we don't know any such app and we are not going to write one in near future, so I guess that's it [17:10] i dunno [17:11] hhh2, you have 3 choices....upgrade your hardware so you can use the apps that have all the features you want, ask developers to try to add the features you want (and deal with the fact that all you ask for will not be done), or hack the desired features into the apps you want [17:11] i have them [17:11] in winxp in dual boot [17:11] hhh2, if you have them in winxp, try installing them via wine [17:12] vidd: generally bad idea for a file manager [17:12] vidd: it won't be very functional [17:13] he could always take up the kack [17:13] *hack [17:14] * vidd is off to lunch [17:22] hello every one [17:22] hoi [17:29] gg for me finally getting xubuntu lol [17:44] Can I install 64-bit libaries so I can utilize 64-bit when I have the 32-bit distro? [17:45] Woo, not easily, you can go the other way however with much more ease [17:46] Woo, the main issue is that your kernel is 32bit, so not only would you need all the required 64bit headers, you'd also need the kernel to be replaced [17:47] anyone point me in the right chan for wine help :P [17:47] valroadie, #winehq ? [17:47] tyvm [17:48] How can I delete a file in /etc/init.d/myfilename? [17:48] Woo, sudo rm /etc/init.d/myfilename [17:49] ok [17:49] how can i cut it? i want a backup of it on my desktop [17:49] Woo, what are you actually trying to do? [17:49] Woo, sudo mv /etc/init.d/myfilename /path/to/backup [17:50] I'm trying to uninstall Folding@Home [17:50] how did you install it? [17:51] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FoldingAtHome/fah_install and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FoldingAtHome/finstall too, but the last one didn't work. Or did it... I have a process running when I'm booting anyway. [17:52] Woo, do you want to fully uninstall it or just have it off at boot time? [17:52] The last one would be preffered, but if itsn't possible I want to uninstall it completely. [17:53] what is the name of the init.d script? [17:53] foldingathome [17:53] sudo update-rc.d -f foldingathome remove [17:54] this removes the startup at boot only [17:54] silly question, what does the .d suffix on scripts actually mean [17:54] why is it there [17:55] Mopman: to distinguish files from directories containing parts of files to be merged [17:55] Mopman, ummm....maybe for deamon? [17:55] =] [18:01] Thank you dcolish, there are no folding@home processes running after the reboot. [18:02] One cup of coffe to you. [18:06] Hi [18:07] hi! [18:07] hello ciapsadm [18:07] hello Angel_Inside [18:07] has anybody tried intrepid? [18:07] Where can I find games in Synaptic? [18:07] vidd: hi [18:08] most here have [18:08] ciapsadm, what game you looking for? [18:08] and waht's your opinion? [18:08] does it worth to upgrade? [18:08] (clean installation, of course) [18:09] clean insta;; is not an upgrade [18:09] does it have better performance, lower requirements...? anything apart from the tiny release notes [18:09] vidd: some cars === valroadie is now known as Val|sleep [18:09] ciapsadm: try tux racer [18:09] Angel_Inside, it has encryption available [18:10] I found extremetuxracer [18:10] ciapsadm, you might want to use the "appfinder" app in the "acessories" menu rather then synaptic [18:11] ciapsadm, nvmd...that is installed apps.... [18:11] ciapsadm, the add/remove in the settings menu [18:11] sounds in firefox3 -> downthemall don't works [18:11] what can i do? [18:11] *system [18:11] in xubuntu hardy [18:12] hhh2, do you have the volume manager on your panel? [18:12] where is the panel? [18:13] the bar at the top and/or bottom of your screen are called "panels" [18:13] has the clock, applications menu, etc [18:13] yes [18:13] volume is at 74% [18:13] open up the volume manager and max out the PMC [18:14] pcm? [18:14] yes [18:14] better? [18:15] no [18:15] doesnt' work [18:15] you have any other application playing sound? [18:15] no [18:16] are your speakers plugged in? [18:17] yes [18:17] others sounds are ok [18:17] other applications with sounds [18:17] i just asked you that and you said no [18:17] =\ [18:17] Tux racer does not start [18:18] We start from the console? [18:18] so no saound in any firefox is working? [18:18] yes [18:18] ciapsadm, yes [18:18] no [18:18] ciapsadm: which graphic card? [18:18] sounds works in ff [18:18] also in video like in utube [18:18] hhh2, then wtf is the problem? [18:18] only in downthemall [18:18] what is that? [18:18] only in downthemall i can't hear its sound [18:19] an extension [18:19] How do you start? [18:19] then contact the extention writer and file a bug [18:19] an extension for download files [18:19] ciapsadm: you should have a launcher in the panel [18:19] hhh2, if its an extention to download files, why would it make sound? [18:19] ciapsadm: if not, try tuxracer in the console [18:20] * vidd is very confused [18:20] it make sounds at the end of a task [18:20] should [18:20] when all files are taken [18:21] How to write the console to start? [18:21] hhh2, then try max'ing out all your other sound options (one at a time) to see if one of them is the cause.... [18:21] if that dont help....file a bug [18:21] i don't have sound in firefox either (end of download of page or chatzilla), i've looked everywhere to solve it, but no luck [18:22] wormsxulla, do video's etc make noise? [18:22] yes [18:22] pheraps have to do with pulseaudio [18:22] hhh2, i already told you to file a bug [18:22] pulse is uninstalled [18:22] i have already sent an email [18:22] vidd: yes, they do [18:23] hhh2, why would you get rid of the central audio controler? [18:23] flash makes sound [18:23] pulse? [18:23] i hate it [18:23] is difficult to install [18:24] wormsxulla, is pulse installed? HH or II? all volume settings max out (besides master of course) [18:24] hhh2, pulse is auto-installed during xubuntu-desktop [18:24] vidd: checking, but i don't think it is installed [18:25] i have removed it ,i need a simple guide to reinstall [18:25] hhh2: also, to get sound in pidgin i had to tweak the play sound setting (not related to firefox, of course) [18:25] i must edit some files [18:25] pidgin sounds works to me [18:25] [18:26] hhh2, how did you remove pulse? [18:26] i don't remember [18:27] vidd: no, pulse is not installed [18:27] hhh2, then try this: sudo apt-get remove xubuntu-desktop && sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop [18:27] wormsxulla, ^^^^ you too [18:28] removing xubuntu-desktop then reinstalling it? [18:28] every video player always writes that pulse isn't installed [18:28] then i tried to update it and then to remove completely from synaptic [18:28] wormsxulla, yes [18:29] it's not installed on my machine ô_ö [18:29] apparently [18:29] so install it [18:30] it gets removed automatically when you start ripping out peices of the default install [18:30] will that change anything to my machine appearance? [18:31] no...the appearences are from "xubuntu-default-settings" (which you should never have removed) [18:33] ah ok [18:33] do you now have sound like you expect? [18:35] i've not installed it yet, i'm a bit short in disk space on the eee pc, so calculating how much all the things it want to install too are [18:36] wormsxulla, then do it this way..... [18:36] vidd, is there a good ubuntu wiki for sound setup? i haven't seen one [18:36]