[00:00] <alessiofachechi> TheSheep, the problem is to find it :P
[00:00] <TheSheep> Sajuta: you can just install it with synaptic
[00:01] <TheSheep> Sajuta: whole xubuntu or just xfce
[00:01] <TheSheep> Sajuta: then you will be able to choose which one to use at login
[00:02] <Sajuta> TheSheep: Ohhh... Okay. I see. So if I wanted to do the whole Xubuntu package, what would I need to grab? Or is there some walkthrough I missed in my document search?
[00:02] <TheSheep> Sajuta: whole xubuntu would be xubuntu-desktop
[00:03] <TheSheep> Sajuta: xfce only is xfce
[00:03] <Sajuta> Right. Just wasn't sure if I needed anything else for it... then again it grabs the dependencies. Okay. I think I get it, now. :)
[00:04] <Sajuta> TheSheep: Thanks!
[00:23] <Spreadsheet> hmm
[00:23] <Spreadsheet> is there a way to get xubuntu to group simular apps?
[00:27] <knome> Spreadsheet, it will, occasionally.
[00:29] <Spreadsheet> ok
[00:30] <Spreadsheet> i see a circle on the side of my windows
[00:30] <Spreadsheet> what is it
[00:30] <knome> it sets the window sticky/unsticky
[00:30] <Spreadsheet> what does sticky and unsticky do
[00:30] <knome> if a window is sticky, you can see it on all the workspaces you have.
[00:30] <Spreadsheet> ok
[00:30] <Spreadsheet> i see
[00:30] <Spreadsheet> cool
[00:33]  * alessiofachechi says goodnight
[00:46] <knome> night everybody ->
[00:48] <Spreadsheet> night
[01:29] <BurningZebra256> hi all, quick question
[01:29] <BurningZebra256> what's the difference between 'alternate' and 'desktop' distros in the bittorrent section?
[01:29] <BurningZebra256> i can't seen to find anything about it in the help
[01:30] <BurningZebra256> oh
[01:31] <BurningZebra256> To run the Desktop CD (LiveCD + Install CD), you need 128 MB RAM to run or 192 MB RAM to install. The Alternate Install CD only requires you to have 64 MB RAM.
[01:31] <BurningZebra256> *^_^*
[01:31] <BurningZebra256> ty anyways
[01:31] <BurningZebra256> bye all
[02:25] <Spreadsheet> \
[02:25] <Spreadsheet> hi i need help with something
[02:26] <Spreadsheet> i got evince but it isnt showing up in the menu
[02:27] <TheSheep> Spreadsheet: that's normal
[02:27] <Spreadsheet> TheSheep: so how do i change it?
[02:27] <TheSheep> Spreadsheet: copy /usr/share/applications/evince.desktop to ~/.local/share/applications and edit it
[02:28] <Spreadsheet> k
[02:28] <TheSheep> remove the NoDisplay=true line
[02:29] <Spreadsheet> k
[02:30] <Spreadsheet> wheres that
[02:30] <Spreadsheet> NoDisplay=true
[02:30] <TheSheep> line 227
[02:30] <Spreadsheet> where
[02:31] <TheSheep> in that evince.desktop file
[02:31] <Spreadsheet> k
[02:31] <Spreadsheet> so do i leave that line blank
[02:32] <Spreadsheet> or should i backspace
[02:32] <TheSheep> you can just comment it out by putting a # at the beginning
[02:32] <Spreadsheet> ok
[02:33] <Spreadsheet> hmm i still dont see it...
[02:33] <TheSheep> in graphics, as 'document viewer'
[02:33] <Spreadsheet> k
[02:33] <Spreadsheet> its not there...
[02:33] <TheSheep> did you save the file?
[02:33] <Spreadsheet> yes
[02:34] <TheSheep> works for me
[02:35] <Spreadsheet> weird
[02:35] <Spreadsheet> now its working
[02:35] <TheSheep> did you edit the copy you made in .local/share/applications or the original in /usr/share/applications?
[02:35] <Spreadsheet> :D
[02:35] <Spreadsheet> thanks
[02:35] <TheSheep> :)
[02:36] <TheSheep> Spreadsheet: you can customize all of your menu entries this way
[02:37] <Spreadsheet> ok
[02:44] <TelnetPorcupine> Quick, I need a command line IRC client.
[02:45] <Spreadsheet> TelnetPorcupine: irssi
[02:45] <TelnetPorcupine> Thanks.
[02:50] <Spreadsheet> hi again
[02:50] <Spreadsheet> is there a guide on installig compiz on Xubuntu?
[02:56] <Grey_Loki> !compiz | Spreadsheet
[02:56] <Spreadsheet> k
[02:56] <Spreadsheet> thanks
[03:01] <SmoothPorcupine> xfwm4 was terminated.
[03:01] <SmoothPorcupine> There was something else terminated too.
[03:02] <SmoothPorcupine> So right now it shows up as that gray and black background with a mouse.
[03:02] <SmoothPorcupine> I can see in ps that my programs are still running.
[03:04] <TheSheep> SmoothPorcupine: type DISPLAY=:0.0 && xfwm4
[03:05] <TheSheep> SmoothPorcupine: sorry, make it 'export DISPLAY=:0.0 && xfwm4'
[03:10] <BashPorcupine> ** (xfwm4:8955): WARNING **: Another Window Manager is already running
[03:10] <TheSheep> then it's still running, or another window manager
[03:10] <TheSheep> kill it first
[03:12] <TheSheep> SmoothPorcupine: btw, ircing from root is a bad idea, generally
[03:12] <SmoothPorcupine> Yeah.
[03:15] <SmoothPorcupine> Okay, so I'm IRCing in Ctrl-Alt-1, I typed what you said in Ctrl-Alt-2, and my original session is in Ctrl-Alt-7.
[03:16] <TheSheep> for some reason xfwm4 thinks that some window manager is still running
[03:16] <TheSheep> say, do you get a 'run' window when you press alt+f2?
[03:16] <TheSheep> (in the gui)
[03:17] <SmoothPorcupine> No, but I do with Ctrl-Alt-R.
[03:17] <TheSheep> ok, that means xfwm4 is running
[03:17] <TheSheep> now just use that run dialog to start xfdesktop and xfce4-panel
[03:21] <SmoothPorcupine> When I run xfce4-panel I just get a little box in the top left corner.
[03:23] <TheSheep> SmoothPorcupine: looks like you lost its config
[03:23] <TheSheep> SmoothPorcupine: say, do you have free space in your home?
[03:24] <SmoothPorcupine> Yes.
[03:25] <SmoothPorcupine> Can I get my programs back or will I need new windows for the new window manager?
[03:29] <SmoothPorcupine> I guess I can Google from here.
[03:29] <SmoothPorcupine> Thanks.
[03:42] <Spreadsheet> where do i do stuff with GDM again?
[03:42] <Spreadsheet> oh nvm
[03:57] <kattollikisd> I can' t install xubuntu 8.10 can someone help me?
[04:16] <SmoothPorcupine> So was there any way to get the windows back?
[07:55] <Nillerz> Hey, how do I make it so I can launch Fluxbox?
[07:56] <Nillerz> I'm having trouble because I don't know how to kill the xfce process, but I'm used to fluxbox, fluxbuntu was my first linux experience
[07:56] <Nillerz> thanks in advance for any help
[08:15] <nikolam> Nillerz, I guess that you could temporary kill xfwm and then start fluxbox.
[08:15] <nikolam> I do it with making shortcut on desktop
[08:15] <nikolam> or browsing with thunar or pcmanfm to /usr/bin of wm i would like to start
[08:16] <Nillerz> I fixed it. #ubuntu told me how
[08:16] <Nillerz> thanks though, that's what I was trying to do, kill xfwm
[08:16] <nikolam> I don`t know how to make change permanently, though
[08:16] <Nillerz> I'm playing with fluxbox! IM PLAYING WITH FLUXBOX!
[08:16] <nikolam> Nillerz, did it start with new Wm after restart?
[08:17] <Nillerz> nah, I just had to log out, go into sessions and change it there.
[08:17] <Nillerz> :/
[08:18] <nikolam> when i tried those 3d effects (compiz i think) , I was starting metacity --replace
[08:18] <nikolam> Ah, Nillerz So, you have another environment now :)
[08:19] <nikolam> Nillerz, How do you compare Openbox with fluxbox?
[08:22] <MHz128> hello world!
[08:23] <MHz128> After mounting an ISO DVD image, how do I play the movie?
[08:26] <leche> MHz128: hows the structure?
[08:26] <leche> is there a Video_TS dir?
[08:26] <MHz128> dvd image, video_ts and audio
[08:27] <leche> and in VIDEO_TS are there .vob files?
[08:27] <MHz128> yes
[08:27] <leche> there should be 4-5 .vob files arround ~1gb, you can play them after each other with your player
[08:28] <leche> the fifth is a bit smaller though
[08:28] <MHz128> vlc can play them, however is there a way to 'mount' the image, as if you had put the actualy movie into the drive...?
[08:29] <leche> theres an "open device" option in vlc, what happens if you try to open the mountpoint as device?
[08:29] <leche> im not quite sure if this works
[08:30] <MHz128> oh, it does work... haha, i must have had an old version before :P
[08:30] <nikolam> MHz128, Yes, you can mout it with mount command and -t iso9660 Or you can use gmountiso GUI for that
[08:31] <MHz128> nikolam, great, ill try that. thanks!
[09:29] <tl> i installed wbar deb package,but it didnt show up.anybody knows the reason?
[11:43] <ciapsadm> join #xfce
[12:54] <Ryuk> hi
[12:55] <knome> hello.
[12:57] <Ryuk> I broke my xfce somehow... Tried sawfish window manager, didn't like it and started xfwm again. But today no wm started and i had to do it manually. Can someone tell me where to fix it please?
[12:59] <Ryuk> I already searched the web, but i don't know what to search for exactly
[12:59] <knome> Ryuk, i suppose you use gdm?
[13:00] <knome> or...?
[13:00] <Ryuk> yes
[13:00] <knome> ok, so gdm loads automatically, right?
[13:00] <Ryuk> yes. It's just when i log in then, everything, except the wm, loads normally
[13:00] <knome> sounds weird...
[13:01] <knome> have you selected xfce session from gdm?
[13:01] <Ryuk> well, i selected nothing, let it stay on last session. But thats xfce
[13:02] <knome> try to select xfce and boot/login again
[13:02] <Ryuk> hm, ok i try it
[13:03] <Ryuk> Thanks, it worked :D
[13:04] <Ryuk> I just don't understand why. But thats ok for now
[13:04] <knome> well.. it's the magic ;)
[14:15] <sk9> Hey, stupid question, but what does that button on the left hand side of the title bar with the circle symbol on it so?
[14:15] <sk9> *What does it do, rather.
[14:16] <TheSheep> sk9: it pins the window down, so that it's visible on all workspaces
[14:16] <sk9> Ah-ha, thank you! You'd think I'd have figured that out myself...oh well...
[15:00] <Spreadsheet> hello
[15:00] <knome> hello Spreadsheet
[15:00] <Spreadsheet> i installed compiz on my comp yesterday, and now i have to window borders
[15:00] <Spreadsheet> no
[15:00] <Spreadsheet> no window borders
[15:01] <Spreadsheet> what should i do?
[15:08] <Spreadsheet> hello again
[15:11] <cody-somerville> Hi
[15:11] <knome> Spreadsheet, did you solve the problem?
[15:11] <Spreadsheet> yes
[15:11] <knome> cody-somerville o/
[15:11] <Spreadsheet> emerald --replace XD
[15:11] <cody-somerville> \o_
[15:12] <knome> printed out a few invoices
[15:12] <knome> sweet money :]
[16:37] <hhh2> hi how can i update mousepad?
[16:38] <TheSheep> hhh2: with the whole system
[16:38] <vidd> hhh2, ummm...sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install mousepad
[16:39] <vidd> or...to updte the entire system, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[16:39] <hhh2> no
[16:39] <hhh2> i want update only mousepad
[16:39] <vidd> hhh2, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install mousepad
[16:40] <hhh2> is already up to date
[16:40] <hhh2> version 0.2.13
[16:41] <vidd> hhh2, that is the latest version available i9n *buntu
[16:41] <vidd> is there a newer version available?
[16:43] <vidd> is there a newer version available? [ hhh2 ]
[16:43] <hhh2> yes
[16:43] <vidd> where?
[16:43] <hhh2> version 4.4.3
[16:43] <vidd> ok.... i will ask again.... where? donde esta? neride?
[16:43] <hhh2> no that's xfce
[16:44] <hhh2> i go to search
[16:44] <vidd> where ever you find it...follow the instructions at the same page
[16:45] <vidd> the version you have is the latest version available in any ubuntu distro, so you will need to compile from source, or install a .deb file
[16:48] <hhh2> i dont' find in getdeb.net
[16:49] <vidd> getdeb.net is NOT the only place to find deb files
[16:49] <vidd> and, like i said....if you cant get a .deb, compile it from source
[16:50] <knome> hhh2, is there a specific reason you need a newer mousepad?
[16:50] <vidd> and, the last non-translation update was in june
[16:51] <vidd> (and this is from reviewing the subversion info on xfce.org)
[16:51] <hhh2> no
[16:52] <vidd> hhh2, then what is wrong with the currently available version/
[16:52] <vidd> its just a PTE
[16:52] <vidd> (plain text editor)
[16:52] <hhh2> gedit is better
[16:53] <vidd> hhh2, then use gedit
[16:54] <vidd> knome, so there WAS a specific reason he needed a newer version.....he thinks there are missing features
[16:55] <knome> :)
[16:55] <hhh2> the button for save a document
[16:56] <vidd> hhh2, there is no reason to triple the footprint of a plain text editor to save the user one click
[16:56] <vidd> [ctrl]=[S] does the same thing
[16:56] <vidd> *[ctrl]+[S]
[16:57] <TheSheep> vidd: memory is cheap, user convenience is expensive
[16:58] <vidd> if you think gedit is SOOOO superior, then use it....or hack the code, and add it to mousepad (and release it under some other name because i dont want that kind of bloat)
[16:59] <TheSheep> vidd: do you feel threatened?
[17:00] <vidd> TheSheep, no....but the devel's have added so much bloat that ive had to find some lighter alternatives
[17:02] <hhh2>  i want a irc client like kvirc or mirc in xfce  and a twin pane file manager like total commander or krusader
[17:02] <vidd> hhh2, why not just use those apps?
[17:03] <vidd> hhh2, i find that xchat is a decent chat program
[17:03] <hhh2> too high requirements
[17:03] <vidd> xchat is fairly light
[17:04]  * vidd has no use for a "twin-pane-file manager" so no suggestions there
[17:04] <TheSheep> hhh2: then use irssi and mindnight commander
[17:04] <hhh2> no in terminal
[17:04] <knome> TheSheep, that's exactly i was about to suggest ;>
[17:04] <TheSheep> why not?
[17:04] <vidd> he's afraid of the terminal
[17:04] <hhh2> i want use mouse
[17:05] <knome> hhh2, we can't offer you *everything*. you have to choose between lightness/features.
[17:05] <knome> hhh2, xubuntu is not a free development factory. we use a very little amount of our own code. and even less apps we've written ourselves.
[17:05] <vidd> what exactly does a twin-panel file manager do?
[17:06] <knome> it has two panels.
[17:06] <knome> ;)
[17:06] <Mopman> manage files using two panels :P
[17:06] <vidd> =\ so why not just open 2 instances of thunar?
[17:06] <hhh2> no
[17:06] <TheSheep> vidd: too hard to control with keyboard
[17:06] <hhh2> see emelfm2 is good
[17:06] <vidd> OH...cuzz that makes sence...and adds no bloat
[17:07] <vidd> TheSheep, he's AFRAID to use the keyboard!
[17:07] <hhh2> but there are no tabs
[17:07] <knome> hhh2, why don't you use it then?
[17:07] <hhh2> i use it
[17:07] <knome> hhh2, maybe you should contact the developer team of efelfm2 and ask them whether they will include tabs?
[17:08] <hhh2> yes
[17:08] <hhh2> No, this software (and others of its type) is all about 2 filelists. Much of its core functionality revolves around processing things from one known place to another known place, and it's not likely to all be re-written. As well as bookmarks, you can get menus of visited directories by pressing a <Control> key before clicking a foward or back button in a pane toolbar - those menus give quick access to lots of places, and they're cached between sessions. Last but
[17:08] <hhh2>  not least, the UI is crowded already.
[17:09] <knome> so how do you suppose that any other project could do that easily?
[17:09] <knome> or fit the tabs in the ui without compromising other features?
[17:09] <TheSheep> hhh2: well, we don't know any such app and we are not going to write one in near future, so I guess that's it
[17:10] <hhh2> i dunno
[17:11] <vidd> hhh2, you have 3 choices....upgrade your hardware so you can use the apps that have all the features you want, ask developers to try to add the features you want (and deal with the fact that all you ask for will not be done), or hack the desired features into the apps you want
[17:11] <hhh2> i have them
[17:11] <hhh2> in winxp in dual boot
[17:11] <vidd> hhh2, if you have them in winxp, try installing them via wine
[17:12] <TheSheep> vidd: generally bad idea for a file manager
[17:12] <TheSheep> vidd: it won't be very functional
[17:13] <vidd> he could always take up the kack
[17:13] <vidd> *hack
[17:14]  * vidd is off to lunch
[17:22] <superdude> hello every one
[17:22] <fauli> hoi
[17:29] <valroadie> gg for me finally getting xubuntu lol
[17:44] <Woo> Can I install 64-bit libaries so I can utilize 64-bit when I have the 32-bit distro?
[17:45] <dcolish> Woo, not easily, you can go the other way however with much more ease
[17:46] <dcolish> Woo, the main issue is that your kernel is 32bit, so not only would you need all the required 64bit headers, you'd also need the kernel to be replaced
[17:47] <valroadie> anyone point me in the right chan for wine help :P
[17:47] <knome> valroadie, #winehq ?
[17:47] <valroadie> tyvm
[17:48] <Woo> How can I delete a file in /etc/init.d/myfilename?
[17:48] <knome> Woo, sudo rm /etc/init.d/myfilename
[17:49] <Woo> ok
[17:49] <Woo> how can i cut it? i want a backup of it on my desktop
[17:49] <dcolish> Woo, what are you actually trying to do?
[17:49] <knome> Woo, sudo mv /etc/init.d/myfilename /path/to/backup
[17:50] <Woo> I'm trying to uninstall Folding@Home
[17:50] <dcolish> how did you install it?
[17:51] <Woo> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FoldingAtHome/fah_install and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FoldingAtHome/finstall too, but the last one didn't work. Or did it... I have a process running when I'm booting anyway.
[17:52] <dcolish> Woo, do you want to fully uninstall it or just have it off at boot time?
[17:52] <Woo> The last one would be preffered, but if itsn't possible I want to uninstall it completely.
[17:53] <dcolish> what is the name of the init.d script?
[17:53] <Woo> foldingathome
[17:53] <dcolish> sudo update-rc.d -f foldingathome remove
[17:54] <dcolish> this removes the startup at boot only
[17:54] <Mopman> silly question, what does the .d suffix on scripts actually mean
[17:54] <Mopman> why is it there
[17:55] <TheSheep> Mopman: to distinguish files from directories containing parts of files to be merged
[17:55] <vidd> Mopman, ummm....maybe for deamon?
[17:55] <vidd> =]
[18:01] <Woo> Thank you dcolish, there are no folding@home processes running after the reboot.
[18:02] <Woo> One cup of coffe to you.
[18:06] <ciapsadm> Hi
[18:07] <Angel_Inside> hi!
[18:07] <vidd> hello ciapsadm
[18:07] <vidd> hello Angel_Inside
[18:07] <Angel_Inside> has anybody tried intrepid?
[18:07] <ciapsadm> Where can I find games in Synaptic?
[18:07] <Angel_Inside> vidd: hi
[18:08] <vidd> most here have
[18:08] <vidd> ciapsadm, what game you looking for?
[18:08] <Angel_Inside> and waht's your opinion?
[18:08] <Angel_Inside> does it worth to upgrade?
[18:08] <Angel_Inside> (clean installation, of course)
[18:09] <vidd> clean insta;; is not an upgrade
[18:09] <Angel_Inside> does it have better performance, lower requirements...? anything apart from the tiny release notes
[18:09] <ciapsadm> vidd: some cars
[18:09] <Angel_Inside> ciapsadm: try tux racer
[18:09] <vidd> Angel_Inside, it has encryption available
[18:10] <ciapsadm> I found extremetuxracer
[18:10] <vidd> ciapsadm, you might want to use the "appfinder" app in the "acessories" menu rather then synaptic
[18:11] <vidd> ciapsadm, nvmd...that is installed apps....
[18:11] <vidd> ciapsadm, the add/remove in the settings menu
[18:11] <hhh2> sounds in firefox3 -> downthemall don't works
[18:11] <hhh2> what can i do?
[18:11] <vidd> *system
[18:11] <hhh2> in xubuntu hardy
[18:12] <vidd> hhh2, do you have the volume manager on your panel?
[18:12] <hhh2> where is the panel?
[18:13] <vidd> the bar at the top and/or bottom of your screen are called "panels"
[18:13] <vidd> has the clock, applications menu, etc
[18:13] <hhh2> yes
[18:13] <hhh2> volume is at 74%
[18:13] <vidd> open up the volume manager and max out the PMC
[18:14] <hhh2> pcm?
[18:14] <vidd> yes
[18:14] <vidd> better?
[18:15] <hhh2> no
[18:15] <hhh2> doesnt' work
[18:15] <vidd> you have any other application playing sound?
[18:15] <hhh2> no
[18:16] <vidd> are your speakers plugged in?
[18:17] <hhh2> yes
[18:17] <hhh2> others sounds are ok
[18:17] <hhh2> other applications with sounds
[18:17] <vidd> i just  asked you that and you said no
[18:17] <vidd> =\
[18:17] <ciapsadm> Tux racer does not start
[18:18] <ciapsadm> We start from the console?
[18:18] <vidd> so no saound in any firefox is working?
[18:18] <hhh2> yes
[18:18] <vidd> ciapsadm, yes
[18:18] <hhh2> no
[18:18] <Angel_Inside> ciapsadm: which graphic card?
[18:18] <hhh2> sounds works in ff
[18:18] <hhh2> also in video like in utube
[18:18] <vidd> hhh2, then wtf is the problem?
[18:18] <hhh2> only in downthemall
[18:18] <vidd> what is that?
[18:18] <hhh2> only in downthemall i can't hear its sound
[18:19] <hhh2> an  extension
[18:19] <ciapsadm> How do you start?
[18:19] <vidd> then contact the extention writer and file a bug
[18:19] <hhh2> an extension for download files
[18:19] <Angel_Inside> ciapsadm: you should have a launcher in the panel
[18:19] <vidd> hhh2, if its an extention to download files, why would it make sound?
[18:19] <Angel_Inside> ciapsadm: if not, try tuxracer in the console
[18:20]  * vidd is very confused
[18:20] <hhh2> it make sounds at the end of a task
[18:20] <hhh2> should
[18:20] <hhh2> when all files are taken
[18:21] <ciapsadm> How to write the console to start?
[18:21] <vidd> hhh2, then try max'ing out all your other sound options (one at a time) to see if one of them is the cause....
[18:21] <vidd> if that dont help....file a bug
[18:21] <wormsxulla> i don't have sound in firefox either (end of download of page or chatzilla), i've looked everywhere to solve it, but no luck
[18:22] <vidd> wormsxulla, do video's etc make noise?
[18:22] <hhh2> yes
[18:22] <hhh2> pheraps have to do with pulseaudio
[18:22] <vidd> hhh2, i already told you to file a bug
[18:22] <hhh2> pulse is uninstalled
[18:22] <hhh2> i have already sent an email
[18:22] <wormsxulla> vidd: yes, they do
[18:23] <vidd> hhh2, why would you get rid of the central audio controler?
[18:23] <wormsxulla> flash makes sound
[18:23] <hhh2> pulse?
[18:23] <hhh2> i hate it
[18:23] <hhh2> is difficult to install
[18:24] <vidd> wormsxulla, is pulse installed? HH or II? all volume settings max out (besides master of course)
[18:24] <vidd> hhh2, pulse is auto-installed during xubuntu-desktop
[18:24] <wormsxulla> vidd: checking, but i don't think it is installed
[18:25] <hhh2> i have removed it ,i need a simple guide to reinstall
[18:25] <wormsxulla> hhh2: also, to get sound in pidgin i had to tweak the play sound setting (not related to firefox, of course)
[18:25] <hhh2> i must edit some files
[18:25] <hhh2> pidgin sounds  works to me
[18:25] <ciapsadm>  
[18:26] <vidd> hhh2, how did you remove pulse?
[18:26] <hhh2> i don't remember
[18:27] <wormsxulla> vidd: no, pulse is not installed
[18:27] <vidd> hhh2, then try this: sudo apt-get remove xubuntu-desktop && sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[18:27] <vidd> wormsxulla, ^^^^ you too
[18:28] <wormsxulla> removing xubuntu-desktop then reinstalling it?
[18:28] <hhh2> every video player always writes that pulse isn't installed
[18:28] <hhh2> then i tried to update it and then to remove completely from synaptic
[18:28] <vidd> wormsxulla, yes
[18:29] <wormsxulla> it's not installed on my machine ô_ö
[18:29] <wormsxulla> apparently
[18:29] <vidd> so install it
[18:30] <vidd> it gets removed automatically when you start ripping out peices of the default install
[18:30] <wormsxulla> will that change anything to my machine appearance?
[18:31] <vidd> no...the appearences are from "xubuntu-default-settings" (which you should never have removed)
[18:33] <wormsxulla> ah ok
[18:33] <vidd> do you now have sound like you expect?
[18:35] <wormsxulla> i've not installed it yet, i'm a bit short in disk space on the eee pc, so calculating how much all the things it want to install too are
[18:36] <vidd> wormsxulla, then do it this way.....
[18:36] <dcolish> vidd, is there a good ubuntu wiki for sound setup? i haven't seen one
[18:36] <vidd> dcolish, me either....
[18:36] <vidd> never had time to write one =\
[18:37] <dcolish> vidd, ditto, also I have not had sound problems so I don't have many notes from my local installs
[18:37] <vidd> heh....
[18:37] <vidd> i start with the cli and build up on my relics
[18:38] <dcolish> unfortunately i have no relics. If someone wants to donate however!
[18:39]  * vidd has no high-end systems....if someone wants to donate....=]
[18:40] <dcolish> touche! I think the alsa site wiki is helpful, but possibly outdated for how ubuntu manages configuration: http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Main_Page
[19:20] <log1_kuba> hello
[19:20] <log1_kuba> help
[19:21] <lr_> hi @ll
[19:22] <vidd> hello log1_kuba  whats up
[19:23] <lr_> just tried upgrading my feisty xubuntu to hardy and higher and it's giving me a hard time, because he cant install the paket "xubuntu-desktop" anyone have any idea?
[19:24] <vidd> lr_, did you try to go directly from FF to HH without upgrading via GG first?
[19:24] <vidd> (please note, this is an unsupported upgrade method)
[19:25] <lr_> what u mean directly? clean install?
[19:26] <vidd> lr_, no...editing the sources.list file then dist-upgrade
[19:26] <lr_> do you have a how to for that? dont wanna bother u explaining it
[19:27] <vidd> feisty and gutsy are both no longer supported, so your best bet is to back up your data files, and do a clean install of the desired version
[19:27] <lr_> problem is, that i need a version with pre compiled wlan drivers
[19:28] <vidd> lr_, what wifi card?
[19:28] <lr_> 802.11b/g
[19:28] <vidd> lr_, you know damn well that is not what i meant
[19:28] <lr_> ah sry
[19:29] <lr_> thought u meant standard
[19:29] <vidd> you said "precompiled drivers"
[19:30] <vidd> how can i tell you if the drivers you need are precompiled in newer versions without knowing what drivers you need
[19:30] <lr_> well, i probabbly used the wrong term, sry english is not my mothertongue
[19:30] <vidd> you need the wifi to work "out-of-the-box"
[19:31] <vidd> right?
[19:31] <lr_> y
[19:31] <lr_> its a atheros module
[19:31] <lr_> *an
[19:31] <vidd> what does "lspci" say it is?
[19:32] <lr_> atheros communications AR5006EG
[19:33] <vidd> lr_, are you saying you have to do special things to get the wifi to work on fresh install, so you can only do upgrade?
[19:34] <lr_> xubuntu 8.10 about an hour ago, and couldnt get wifi to work, and because i cant get the pakets on it without internet i tried xubuntu eee witch had wifi fixed after installation
[19:34] <lr_> but updating doesnt work, so i thought i ask around if there's a fix
[19:35] <vidd> ok....what version of xubuntu is installed on the machine now//
[19:36] <lr_> 7.10
[19:36] <lr_> eeeXubuntu its called
[19:36] <vidd> just so you know....
[19:37] <knome> lr_, i have a working eeexubuntu 8.04 installation.
[19:37] <vidd> using this upgrade method is NOT supported and is VERY LIKELY TO BREAK YOUR SYSTEM
[19:37] <knome> lr_, have you used this repository? http://www.array.org/ubuntu/
[19:38] <vidd> edit your sources.lsit file, and un-comment alll repo's
[19:38] <vidd> then replace all "feisty" with "gutsy"
[19:38] <vidd> save
[19:39] <vidd> then sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[19:39] <vidd> then edit sources again, replace "gutsy" with "hardy"
[19:39] <vidd> then update
[19:39] <vidd> then use normal upgrade method
[19:40] <lr_> ok, i'll try the new repository and if that doesnt work, i'll try your method, thank you very much
[19:40] <vidd> lr_, knome suggests that you just download the 8.04 version
[19:41] <knome> do i? :)
[19:41] <lr_> i think he suggests to try his repository :)
[19:41] <knome> i upgraded myself and then added the repository
[19:41] <knome> i suppose you might need a cable
[19:42] <vidd> lr_, if you are doing that....make sure you also un-comment the universe repo's....
[19:42] <krio> hi
[19:42] <vidd> because before hardy, xubuntu moved from main to universe repo's
[19:43] <vidd> hello krio
[19:43] <krio> somebody can tel me what hardwere require xubuntu 8.10?
[19:43] <vidd> !xubuntu
[19:43] <vidd> krio, its on the front page of the website!
[19:43] <krio> ok
[19:44] <knome> i think any hardware requires xubuntu ;)
[19:44] <vidd> knome, you know what he(?) meant!
[19:44] <Necrosan> So, does anyone really even use Xubuntu?
[19:45] <knome> Necrosan, on all of my three machines, yes.
[19:45] <Necrosan> Is a PS3 one of your machines?
[19:45] <knome> no.
[19:45] <Necrosan> Mine is.
[19:45] <knome> vidd, i think he asked what are the HW requirements
[19:45] <vidd> Necrosan, on 7 of my 8  (non-windows) machines
[19:45] <Necrosan> And Wifi is NOT working through the interface.
[19:46] <vidd> Necrosan, what does lspci say your wifi card is?
[19:49] <krio> sorry for my english but vid has understand
[19:50] <krio> but i'm not sure if is it a good idea migrate to xubuntu 8.10
[19:50] <dcolish> vidd, Necrosan was on the over day with the same attitude.
[19:50] <vidd> krio, on 8.04?
[19:50] <krio> whit a pentium 933 and 256 mb of ram
[19:50] <vidd> 8.04?
[19:51] <krio> is not ready the 8.10 version?
[19:51] <Necrosan> It's a Broadcomm chip, vidd.
[19:51] <Necrosan> I can see it with iwconfig, and wlan0 exists in ifconfig -a
[19:51] <Necrosan> It won't connect to my hidden SSID network.
[19:51] <Necrosan> That has mac filtering.
[19:52] <vidd> Necrosan, is the card properly installed?
[19:52] <Necrosan> The MAC address of the PS3 is in the list, by the way.
[19:52] <Necrosan> It's a PS3, vidd.
[19:52] <Necrosan> I can't install it any bit more properly.
[19:52] <vidd> Necrosan, if you wont answer my question, then i cant help you
[19:53] <Necrosan> It's a fresh install of Intrepid
[19:53] <vidd> did you properly install the wifi drivers for your wifi card?
[19:53] <Necrosan> It dtected & configured it fine during install
[19:53] <dcolish> clearly it didn't
[19:53] <Necrosan> I bet if I make my network visible I will be able to connect.
[19:53] <Necrosan> Unless ubuntu forges a mac address on the wireless interface?
[19:54] <vidd> so then "No, I did not bother to install the proprietary firmware that Ubyuntu cannot legally auto-install due to software legality concerns in several munincipalities"
[19:54] <Necrosan> Maybe it's not broadcom, I don't know.
[19:54] <Necrosan> It obviously sees the device and is creating an interface for it.
[19:54] <dcolish> so do you see a HWaddr for it?
[19:55] <vidd> Necrosan, then open terminal, type "lspci" and tell me the chipset
[19:55] <Necrosan> I'd have to turn it on, but I'm pretty sure there was one listed.
[19:55] <Necrosan> Hold on.
[19:55] <TheSheep> Necrosan: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=435377
[19:55] <vidd> dcolish, i got this....
[19:55] <dcolish> cool
[19:55] <Necrosan> It's a Marvell chipset.
[19:55] <vidd> i know exactly what kind of card he has and what he has to do to get it to work
[19:56] <vidd> well....
[19:56] <vidd> what does it say?
[19:56] <Necrosan> TheSheep: That's for an older release.
[19:56] <Necrosan> vidd: I only have one USB keyboard..
[19:56] <Necrosan> All I'm trying to accomplish is not enabling my SSID broadcast.
[19:56] <vidd> and this has what to do with the price of tea in china?
[19:56] <Necrosan> I live in the ghetto.
[19:57] <vidd> get the output of lspci and pastebin it for me
[19:57] <vidd> !pastebin
[19:57] <Necrosan> hold on, the GF's watching that dumb show with tyra banks
[19:58] <krio> sorry vidd, why 8.04?
[19:58] <vidd> krio, all i want to know is ....what version do you have installed right now?
[19:59] <krio> i have installed.....kubuntu 7.04
[19:59] <dcolish> hey vidd, do you run any ppc hardware with the 8.10?
[19:59] <vidd> Necrosan, hopefully i will still be here when you get yourself ready to recieve assistance
[19:59] <vidd> dcolish, no...sorry
[20:01] <dcolish> vidd, no worries, I think i'm going to give it a shot. i've got an older mac kicking around and not much better to do today since its raining. FYI there is a ps3 specific disc
[20:01] <vidd> dcolish, yeah...i know
[20:02] <vidd> if he dont have the broadcom bcm43xx chipset, thats where im sending him
[20:02] <Necrosan> I have the marvell chipset, vidd
[20:02] <dcolish> ha yeah, I thought the wl kernmod was better at supporting broadcom.
[20:02] <Necrosan> 100%sure
[20:03] <vidd> but i am 99% positive thats the chipset he has, and all he needs to do is add the firmware to his /lib/firmware directory
[20:04] <vidd> Necrosan, which wifi firmware of the marvell chipset?
[20:04] <Necrosan> Not sure
[20:04] <Necrosan> I'd need to check.
[20:04] <Necrosan> I think it just can't connect to hidden SSIds
[20:04] <vidd> oh...wait....they all have bcm4-something wifi cards in them
[20:04] <Necrosan> PS3s do?
[20:04] <Necrosan> =P
[20:05] <vidd> Necrosan, well....once the firmware is installed, you are going to need to set your interface to connect to it
[20:05] <vidd> Necrosan, no....the wifi cards that broadcom release
[20:06] <vidd> wich isnt too surprising sine bcm=BroadCoM
[20:06] <Necrosan> sure
[20:06] <Necrosan> But you're misunderstanding me
[20:06] <Necrosan> The PS3 uses Marvell WIFI hardware
[20:06] <krio> by by
[20:07] <vidd> right....witch uses the broadcom bcm4306 wifi set
[20:07] <vidd> if its set up for b/g network connection
[20:08] <vidd> this is why i MUST have the output of lspci
[20:08] <Necrosan> Stop being so demanding.
[20:08] <Necrosan> I'll get on it ASAP.
[20:08] <vidd> see...i dont care what HARDWARE the use....i care what CHIPSET the HARDWARE uses
[20:09] <Necrosan> marvell chipset
[20:09] <Necrosan> that's what
[20:09] <vidd> well...hopefully, ill still be here
[20:09] <vidd> mavell what?
[20:09] <Necrosan> yeah, top model is almost over
[20:09] <vidd> so is my shift at work
[20:09] <knome>  GOSH
[20:09] <vidd> night all
[20:09] <Necrosan> Why you workin' on a Saturday?
[20:10] <vidd> cuzz its my job
[20:10] <vidd> why you work on tuesdays and wednesdays? (my weekends)?
[20:10] <Necrosan> Where do you work?
[20:10] <vidd> none of your buisness
[20:10] <Necrosan> I work at an apartment complex.
[20:10] <Necrosan> I'm the manager.
[20:10] <vidd> i dont really care
[20:11] <knome> girls!
[20:11] <Necrosan> You see that subway commercial?
[20:11] <TheSheep> !ot
[20:11] <Necrosan> 5 dollar, 5 dollar foot long.
[20:12] <dcolish> vidd, if you still care:  Optional 802.11 b/g module Marvell chipset 88W8580-BAN1 via this link http://www.ihari.com/node/101. Not sure if its still current
[20:13] <dcolish> oddly enough its similar to the chipsets in the iphone and other consumer stuff
[20:58] <log1_kuba> i have strange problem with (x)ubuntu 8.10, it takes me 100% CPU, any ideas what to do ?
[21:00] <log1_kuba> CPU - Intel Celeron 1,73 Ghz
[21:01] <log1_kuba> the problem when i booting from LiveCD and on installed system
[21:11] <slow-motion> hi
[21:11] <vidd> hello slow-motion
[21:12] <slow-motion> hi vidd
[21:20] <vidd> hey dcolish looks like that guy really didnt need that much help after all
[21:21] <dcolish> vidd, told ya, he was on the other night talking smack. However, I would like to see xubuntu of a ps3
[21:22] <vidd> its rather lame
[21:22] <dcolish> yeah?
[21:22] <dcolish> I thought ps3 was a "supercomputer"
[21:23] <dcolish> :)
[21:23] <vidd> it runs great...just looks like crap
[21:24] <dcolish> why's that?
[21:24] <vidd> its plugged into a tv
[21:25] <dcolish> oh, right... thought it might be video driver issues
[21:25] <vidd> maybe its just cuzz the tv it was plugged into was crap....but damn!
[21:25] <vidd> it runs like a champ
[21:26] <dcolish> i think even the best hdtv is still at 1920 x1080 px
[21:28] <nikolam> dcolish, I was thinking of buying Ps3 instead of PC a year ago or more..
[21:28] <nikolam> Then I realized that I will be stuck with 256MB RAM
[21:28] <nikolam> And that is not good idea theese days
[21:29] <nikolam> and I still don`t have Blueray nowhere in large numbers ,anyway, so..
[21:29] <danielig> hi xubuntistas
[21:29] <dcolish> nikolam, besides you can put blue-ray into anything if you really want it
[21:29] <dcolish> !hi | danielig
[21:30] <danielig> I have trouble using the sound juicer after moving to 8.10 I get Could not start Sound Juicer
[21:30] <danielig> Reason: The plugin necessary for file access was not found.
[21:30] <danielig> Please consult the documentation for assistance.
[21:30] <nikolam> dcolish, yes, that too. Also I bought Intergated graphics and saved money for fast 3d card .. for about.. Now :)
[21:30] <danielig> however, I don't know exactly which documentation. any ideas here?
[21:30] <nikolam> Also I could easily put +4Gigs of ram if i want etc.. :)
[21:31] <dcolish> nikolam, totally and a dvi to hdmi cable is only $20
[21:31] <dcolish> if you want to connect to a tv for something
[21:32] <danielig> I think I have removed the gnome desktop...
[21:32] <nikolam> so, I can conclude that.. if Sony wonted to make a PC out of PS3.. he just needed to make Ram upgradeable. Nothing more and nothing less..
[21:33] <nikolam> dcolish, I even have dvi, vga, hdmi And tv-out on my pc motherboard :)
[21:33] <dcolish> danielig, are you just trying to burn discs? xfce uses braserio
[21:34] <dcolish> nikolam, what's the board? I got a cheap EVA from tigerdirect
[21:34] <nikolam> dcolish, That`s Biostar 690gAM2
[21:35] <dcolish> geez, does it come with a sink too?
[21:37] <dcolish> i've been looking for a dual socket 775 board, I want dual processors
[21:38] <danielig> I am trying to do a conversion from normal Audio CD to .ogg or mp3 files
[21:38] <danielig> dcolish.
[21:41] <knome> danielig, grip
[21:41] <vidd> danielig, try sudo apt-get remove --purge soundjuicer && sudo apt-get install soundjuicer
[21:41] <vidd> that will rip it out, and rebuild it (hopefully correctly)
[21:43] <danielig> done that, will do nothing. to my problem.
[21:43] <danielig> just trying grip...
[21:44] <vidd> danielig, did you use the --purge switch to remove (potentially corrupt) config files?
[21:44] <danielig> yes
[21:44] <danielig> it is not a config problem
[21:44] <danielig> s/is/was
[21:45] <danielig> I have purged it now and try grip. don't like the interface so much, though...
[21:46] <danielig> info sound-juicer doesn't provide much, what documentation could be meant?
[21:52] <danielig> no ideas?
[21:55] <dcolish> danielig, how did you install xfce?
[21:55] <danielig> sudo apt-get install xfce4-desktop I think
[21:56] <danielig> without -desktop
[21:57] <danielig> I have played with other things, among others kubuntu but I have removed it.
[21:58] <dcolish> danielig, it sounds like you may have quite a mess on your hands.
[21:59] <danielig> yes, but this is a debian based system that should take care of it's dependencies I thought.
[21:59] <danielig> when I install a programm it should be impossible that it doesn't include the dependency automatically
[22:00] <danielig> so if there is a dependency it must be defined in the .deb
[22:00] <vidd> danielig, ya might want to consider dropping back to cli-only and re-installing the desktop from scratch
[22:01] <danielig> thanks vidd, sounds like a lot of work
[22:01] <dcolish> danielig, when you don't properly install window managers, not useing the xubuntu-desktop install for example, you risk the chance of breaking the deb tree
[22:01] <danielig> considering that I have wlan and wlan doesn't really work without a desktop
[22:01] <danielig> okay I will just install the xubuntu-desktop
[22:02] <vidd> danielig, no...not really
[22:02] <vidd> danielig, your wlan doesnt work without a desktop?
[22:02] <vidd> mine always did =\
[22:04] <danielig> okay, it works but I have to configure it on the command line eh?
[22:04] <vidd> yep
[22:04] <vidd> i set mine up for static ip, so no issues there
[22:05] <dcolish> even dhcp should not be too hard with dhclient3
[22:05] <danielig> so now the sound juicer works, but I have a lot of things that I don't want like abiword...
[22:05] <danielig> lots of games
[22:05] <danielig> ...
[22:05] <dcolish> danielig, what did you run?
[22:06] <danielig> install xubuntu-desktop...
[22:06] <dcolish> i'm pretty sure it was recommended that you didnt do that
[22:08] <vidd> danielig, now just remove each unwanted app (make a note of what you remove so you find out what breaks your sound juicer if it does break)
[22:08] <danielig> it removed my nicely configures wicd among other things. this sucks in ubuntu, the meta packages are putting a lot of stuff into the system and the dependencies are not defined correctly... this should be done in the debs
[22:09] <dcolish> danielig, did you install wicd via their apt-repo? remember this is not debian
[22:09] <vidd> danielig, to get wicd to work again, simply remove nm-manager
[22:10] <danielig> yeah, I have wicd again, of course I only use ubuntu repos,
[22:11] <danielig> of course I removed the games and abiword etc. and sound-juicer works now, but I am still convinced that a package needs to include it's dependencies.
[22:11]  * vidd thinks xubuntu should axe nm manager in favor of wicd (all *buntu actually)'
[22:11]  * dcolish +1
[22:12]  * danielig agrees
[22:12] <vidd> danielig, all packages do
[22:12] <danielig> all but sound-juicer...
[22:13] <dcolish> danielig, it does... try running apt-cache depends sound-juicer
[22:14] <vidd> danielig, you probably removed a "recommends"
[22:14] <knome> vidd, wicd is not yet even in repos?
[22:15] <danielig> but does not include some file-access plugin without which it does not start!
[22:15] <vidd> Knightlust, nope
[22:15] <danielig> knome use the wicd repo
[22:15] <knome> :]
[22:15] <vidd> danielig, the issue was probably in your PATH
[22:15] <vidd> did you launch it from terminal to see the error?
[22:16] <danielig> vidd I had all the depends and all suggests and all recommends.
[22:16] <danielig> what do you mean I have a differen PATH for GNOME?
[22:16] <vidd> danielig, right....which means you probably did not have the correct PATH configuratiopn
[22:16] <danielig> maybe there was some dependency on Python because I removed a whole lot of python stuff
[22:17] <danielig> and how did my PATH change after installing xubuntu-desktop? it didn't
[22:17] <vidd> danielig, there is definantly some python requirements
[22:17] <danielig> so it should be done in the depends!
[22:18] <danielig> anyway it is done now, I  am going to rip a bunch of CD s and say goodnight, xubuntu rocks!
[22:18] <vidd> fine...nvmd
[22:18] <dcolish> hehe, depends...
[22:19] <vidd> it was his PATH settings
[22:19] <knome> vidd, ok, so how do i enable wicd
[22:19] <vidd> have you installed it?
[22:19] <knome> yes, i installed it from the repo
[22:19] <vidd> launch it
[22:19] <knome> a-ha!
[22:19] <knome> i see
[22:19] <dcolish> vidd, most likely, also I didnt get the part about ripping out python libs and then blaming it on apt
[22:20] <dcolish> knome, i think you need to disable nm as well
[22:20] <dcolish> personally, i tear that garbage out
[22:20] <knome> i have to admit, i like nm more.
[22:20] <vidd> dcolish, yeah.... let me take out "suggest" stuff for python audio....and then wonder why audio stuff dont work =\
[22:21] <dcolish> vidd, dependencies are not a cure for stupidity
[22:21] <vidd> knome, how can you possibly like that pos app more?????
[22:21] <vidd> they gutted it
[22:21] <knome> vidd, people like different things.
[22:21] <vidd> you cant even set up your own DNS servers anymore!
[22:21] <dcolish> knome, i'm sorry but i have to agree with vidd, the dns support in nm is massive bug they refuse to fix
[22:22] <knome> atm i don't have to play with dns servers.
[22:22] <TheSheep> funny, I have custom dns servers
[22:22] <vidd> knome, come to america, and get broadband from verizon (anywhere in the states)
[22:22] <dcolish> TheSheep, do you use dhcp?
[22:22] <knome> hmm...
[22:22] <knome> i haven't had this version before
[22:22] <TheSheep> I just added them to my /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf
[22:23] <TheSheep> dcolish: of course
[22:23] <knome> ok, i have to admit - this sucks
[22:23] <vidd> TheSheep, you cant get there from nm manager
[22:23] <knome> i wonder why i had the old version
[22:23] <TheSheep> vidd: that's horrible :)
[22:23] <vidd> knome, cuzz you got it from the "hardy" repo?
[22:23] <knome> possible.
[22:24] <vidd> knome, i just dl the .deb
[22:24] <knome> vidd, for the hardy version?
[22:24] <vidd> i dont like adding strange repos in my system
[22:24] <knome> a-ha
[22:25] <vidd> idk...i dont have the repo....
[22:26] <vidd> knome, http://downloads.sourceforge.net/wicd/wicd_1.5.4_all.deb?modtime=1225050059&big_mirror=0
[22:26] <dcolish> TheSheep, it does look like that is fixed https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/91890
[22:27] <dcolish> well I still hate nm
[22:27] <vidd> dcolish, the bug was still there as of last night.....
[22:28] <dcolish> vidd, well it's marked as released... thats ridiculous
[22:28] <vidd> i did a dist-upgrade on my infected ... i mean affected.... laptop last night
[22:28] <vidd> ill runn it again when i get home
[22:29] <vidd> speaking of which....its time for me to jet
[22:29] <vidd> ill try to be back on in about 2 hours
[22:30] <knome> lol
[22:31] <knome> no wonder my wireless didn't work
[22:31] <knome> the adapter wasn't plugged
[22:31] <dcolish> can't say that's never happened to me
[22:32] <knome> i still have to admit i like the look of network-manager more.
[22:34] <dcolish> wicd is about function not style
[23:06] <slow-motion> n8