[00:00] It gave me VERSION: command not found [00:01] I should just ignore that, since the file is being created? [00:01] gouki: ah, replace that with the version of the package [00:01] gouki: or declare a VERSION variable [00:01] OK, thank you, RainCT. [00:10] dh_installman debian/file.1 doesn't give any output. Any way I can confirm things worked out? [00:10] ls [00:10] gouki: is the manpage called file.1? [00:11] RainCT, actually, banihstypos.1 is the name of the file generated by pod2man. [00:11] gouki: then write that name (and it should be .6) === asac_ is now known as asac [00:13] RainCT, ohh, got it. I changed on --section=6 when convertin to man but had the output file still with .1. Changed now. [00:23] I have created a postrm file so that the file that I want is removed after removing the package, however that file is still shown when I do 'dpkg -L package'. Any idea of why is it? [00:23] murdok: why do you want to remove the file? [00:23] it's a conf file under /etc/sysctl.d [00:24] that is only needed by that package (dosemu and wine for example) [00:24] murdok: ah, right. if there's some other package that does the same you could check how they do it there [00:25] wine doesn't remove it unless you purge the package [00:25] neither [00:25] arf! [00:25] isn't that how it should be? [00:26] i want it to be removed without need of --purge [00:26] why? [00:27] some people consider it a security risk [00:28] it's bug 216398 [00:28] Launchpad bug 216398 in dosemu "default mmap_min_addr breaks dosemu" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/216398 === persia changed the topic of #ubuntu-motu to: Masters of the Universe https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | Want to get involved with the MOTUs? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Contributing | Jaunty: OPEN. | grab a merge: http://dad.dunnewind.net http://merges.ubuntu.com http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/uehs/ | Next MOTU meeting: Fri, November 14th 12:00 UTC [00:41] RainCT, If you're running REVU days on Fridays, please add it to the topic when Friday starts UTC+14 and remove it when Friday ends UTC-13:30 (unless you find more timezones) [00:42] persia: okay, will do [00:46] RainCT: Could you also consider sending out a reminder email (similar to what they do for the hug days)? That way, all of the MOTUs will be reminded about the hug day [00:47] nhandler: Yep. I didn't do it last time because I had already mentioned in the discussion about cleaning up REVU /and I didn't remember until REVU Day had already started :P), but will do for the next ones [00:48] Thanks a lot RainCT. I forgot about the REVU day until early evening (local time). As a result, I couldn't review as many packages as I would have liked [00:49] nhandler: well, you can also REVU packages when it isn't REVU Day :) [00:50] good night [00:51] night RainCT [00:52] nhandler, I'm working on the package now. I added Perl because of the reference to manual pages on the PackagingGuide: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/SupplementaryFiles#Man%20Pages [00:52] As for the comments, I'll post the output when I remove the header. [00:54] nhandler, http://paste.ubuntu.com/69413 [00:54] That's what happens when I remove the comments (header) from debian/rules. If I don't, the package source files are built correctly. :S [00:56] gouki, Please paste the result of having removed them. I suspect you've removed some required blank lines. [00:57] persia, that's what I wanted to ask. blank lines matter in debian/rules? [00:58] gouki, Yep. debian/rules is a makefile. See http://www.gnu.org/software/make/manual/ [00:59] Can I output the content of vimdiff between the two files? [01:00] You probably just want to use diff for that. [01:01] Anyway, the diff probably isn't useful to people other than you. Anyone looking for a parse error probably wants to see the result file. [01:02] diff, http://paste.ubuntu.com/69415 [01:02] Ohh, OK. [01:02] So what can I paste so you guys can help me troubleshoot this? [01:02] Found it!! :S === jrib is now known as Guest64524 === Guest64524 is now known as jrib [01:10] persia, I believe it's OK now (lintian clean and builds on pbuilder): http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=banihstypos [01:10] If anyone could take a look at it, I'd really appreciate it. [01:56] What does it really mean when a PPA upload fails and the email says "Rejected: Cannot build any of the architectures requested: any" ? [02:06] * gouki would like to know too [02:10] gouki: Looks like PPAs do not support Jaunty yet. [02:11] Ohh, could be that indeed. Thanks for the heads up, jmarsden. [02:12] Sure, but I can't take the credit -- Hobsee just helped me out on #launchpad :-) === _jason is now known as jrib [02:22] Thanks Hobbsee :P [02:25] Could someone help me get loadlin to build? Here is the error portion of the pbuilder build log: http://paste.ubuntu.com/69444/. And here is pgadjust.c: http://paste.ubuntu.com/69445/. === erhesrhsrtb54vyh is now known as Elbrus [03:56] nhandler: loadlin builds for me here under Intrepid... I can do: d=`date +%s` && mkdir /tmp/$d && cd /tmp/$d && apt-get source loadlin && cd loadlin-1.6c.really1.6c && debuild -us -uc && ls -ltr .. [03:56] nhandler: Looks like it builds fine to me... are you compiling a changed/newer version than this? [04:02] Ok, the guy who was helping me a few days back doesn't seem to have been online... [04:02] ..I'm going to upload my pgp key to launchpad.. [04:02] then get this stellarium package ready.. [04:02] ..and then pbuild it [04:03] I may need some help, I may need an upload sponsorship [04:04] ethana2: Go for it :-) I'm not a MOTU, but I'm here, I'll help you out if I can... [04:04] k [04:04] It may take a bit, I deleted all the files I made earlier know that I kind of know what I'm doing.. [04:04] to clean things up and whatnot [04:04] I'll mainly need to be reminded of various commands [04:05] ethana2: Usually better to mv your working directory out of the way, instead of deleting your work... but OK [04:05] Well I had made a complicated mess out of things with my incompetence [04:06] ethana2: BTW you can use the history command to see what commands you already used... might help. Combind with grep that can be a good way to remind yourself of comamnds... [04:06] ethana2, yeah, if I can help I'd also be happy to. [04:08] oh hey, gouki [04:08] ;) [04:11] heh, Soyuz software. I am amused [04:15] Ok, I'm getting very confused by the pgp key upload process [04:15] ethana2, have you generated them (key pair) on your local machine? [04:16] yes [04:17] Have you uploaded it to a key server? MIT and/or Ubuntu PKS? [04:17] that's what I'm trying to figure out how to do [04:17] You can do that by using this web-interface: http://pgp.mit.edu/ [04:18] So... MIT is like.. [04:18] some kind of centralized key repository? [04:18] To make it easier, you can use Applications - Accessories - Password and Encryption Keys and export your public key. Then copy-paste it into MIT PKS. [04:18] the all want ascii-armored something or other, i don't know what they're talking about [04:18] ah [04:18] Yes, MIT has a 'database' for keys. [04:19] It's a very known PKS (Public Key Server). [04:19] ..and Canonical can make use of them? [04:19] k [04:19] gpg --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --send-key yourkeyidhere [04:19] Ubuntu itself has one. [04:19] ah, wgrant, that was the approach i was trying to figure out [04:19] I'll just do that [04:19] Yes ... After putting it on MIT the keys will replicate to other PKSs [04:20] ok, sent [04:20] how do i know whether it's a success? [04:21] Search for your name on it. [04:21] k [04:22] ethana2, http://keyserver.ubuntu.com:11371 [04:22] So I guess it's good now.. [04:22] http://keyserver.ubuntu.com:11371/pks/lookup?search=Ethan&op=vindex [04:23] Well, it's there: http://keyserver.ubuntu.com:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xC5C149B0A666B913 [04:23] That's your public key block [04:23] That's what people use when they want to encrypt something and send it your way [04:24] Do the instructions on LP make more sense now? [04:24] ...they're still confusing [04:24] I think people use this stuff for a lot more than I'm out to do [04:24] Can/Should be used for email, for example (besides the digital signatures used on packages). [04:24] I wish Ubuntu was more heavily integrated with launchpad.. [04:25] I'd like to be able to enter my launchpad account info during the install process and have it pull my gconf and apt list from canonical servers.. [04:25] install my usual packages and settings, maybe a few files [04:26] ok, well, now that that's evidently done [04:26] time to prepare this package [04:30] stellarium (0.10.0) jaunty; urgency=low [04:30] * New upstream version http://stellarium.org/features_in_0.10.0.php [04:30] -- Ethan Anderson Sat, 08 Nov 2008 22:27:19 -0600 [04:30] Is that valid? [04:31] * ethana2 changes 'version' to 'release' [04:32] Looks sane to me. Not sure it really needs the URL in the changelog. Does your updated package build cleanly and lintian finds no issues? [04:35] ethana2, file a bug on Launchpad. Similar to an ITP from Debian. [04:35] I haven't built the package this time yet [04:36] gouki: I will, Debian already has a bug filed for this [04:36] ethana2, you may find this useful too: http://goukihq.org/misc/bookmarks/insipid.cgi?tag=motu [04:36] ...I'll also have a package ready [04:36] Example of bugs: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=needs-packaging [04:37] Actually, here's some things I wonder about [04:37] Stellarium links against like three libs it doesn't use [04:37] Should I unlink them, or not worry about it? [04:38] Also, can I assume that the default makefile shipped with the source tarball has all the right flags? [04:38] What do you mean with links against? [04:38] ethana2: What does the previous package do? [04:38] Like, will it make for binaries that are performant enough? [04:38] jmsarden: what do you mean? [04:38] ethana2: You are upgrading a previous Ubuntu package for stellarium, right?? [04:38] gouki: the compiler says (this thing is linked with libraries whose symbols it doesn't use at all) [04:38] ethana2, don't assume. Try and install on a VM (for example) and see if it works. This way you'll also be able to find about needed dependencies (from make configure and make output). [04:38] yep [04:39] jmarsden: that is correct [04:39] gouki: i know it works, i've installed it [04:39] gouki: what i don't know is if it gives gcc the parameters for highly optimized binaries [04:39] ethana2: So did the packager of that earlier version do special things wrt those libraries, or not? Same regarding performance... [04:39] Hmm.. not sue [04:39] sure** [04:39] ethana2: I'd suggest getting it working first, then checking performance/removing unnneeded libs etc.. [04:40] Well yeah, I've gotten it working [04:40] ...so once I build it next time I'll hunt down the unneeded linked libs and take 'em out.. [04:40] ethana2: OK, so package it and upload a working package to your PPA, so others can see and test that package... [04:40] yep [04:40] will do [04:40] I don't have a PPA yet, but I'll figure that out also [04:40] ethana2, or to REVU. [04:40] gouki: No, REVU is for new packages not updates to existing ones... AFAIK anyway. [04:41] jmarsden, ohh, OK! [04:41] jmarsden: That's correct. [04:41] ethana2, PPA still doesn't build packages for Jaunty, so you'd have to wait, I BELIEVE- [04:42] so, REVU then [04:42] but the intrepid version should work fine on jaunty [04:42] gouki: True, except that you can just create one with jaunty replaced by intrepid in the changelog and it works fine... [04:42] jmarsden, indeed!! :) [04:42] oh, did i.. [04:42] ohhhh, whoops.. i'll change that now [04:42] stellarium (0.10.0) intrepid; urgency=low [04:43] You need to change that version number. [04:43] ethana2: I'd suggest you test locally with it set for jaunty, and use a jaunty pbuilder. Then when you know all is well, change that word and make the version 0.10.0~ethana2 and then upload that one to your PPA [04:43] If it was a new package in ubuntu, it would be 0.10.0-0ubuntu1. Since this is an update to an existing package, I don't know how. [04:44] It didn't have 'ubuntu's in the versions, I don't know why not [04:44] ethana2, I've been taking some notes, that you may find useful: http://goukihq.org/misc/motu/notes/ [04:44] ah, thank you [04:46] stellarium (0.10.0~ethana2) jaunty; urgency=low [04:47] ethana2: Because stellarium was packaged for Debian. In fact, you might want to just ask Cédric Delfosse if he plans to package 0.10.0 for Debian soon, rather than diverge things bewteen Debian and Ubuntu packages of stellarium? [04:48] perhaps, but I was also wanting to get a bit of packaging experience [04:48] Even better offer him help. [04:48] ah, that sounds good [04:50] ethana2: If you want to get some experience there are currently 82 open bugs in Ubuntu tagged 'bitesize'. Have a look at some of those and try to tackle one. [04:50] k [04:51] Well what I'm always running into [04:51] I'm not sure I agree all of them actually are bitesize, but it's a good place to look. [04:51] is apps where I can only get source code [04:51] and I'm sick of not knowing how on earth to install them cleanly [04:51] evidently checkinstall is the Wrong Way to do it [04:51] Generally yes. [04:51] That's kind of what I'm going after at this point [04:52] OK. Well learning about packaging and the right way to do it via working on fixing bugs is one way to get there. [04:52] The problem with packaging new stuff is you really need to know about all aspects of packaging to do it well. [04:54] If anyone could give this another review I would appreciate it. http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=banihstypos [04:55] * ethana2 has contacted cedric [04:58] Ok, I've got the source in what I think is buildable shape.. [04:58] debuild... [04:59] * ethana2 looks at gouki's notes [04:59] ....not seeing it [05:00] 205 debuild -sa -S [05:00] that's handy [05:00] .....one more privacy concern [05:03] nxvl, waiting for your comments about http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=banihstypos [05:03] gouki: nice quote! [05:03] :P [05:03] LOL! [05:03] That quote is everywhere now! LOL [05:03] gouki: yeah, i'm at the airport right now i will check it in the plane [05:03] :D [05:04] ohhh, it /does/ need commas [05:09] nxvl! [05:11] emgent: hi! [05:12] emgent: You know your post to planet is going to be controversial, right? [05:12] heh [05:12] ScottK: i was thinking on the same [05:12] E: stellarium_0.10.0_source.changes: bad-distribution-in-changes-file jaunty [05:12] eh? [05:12] it will start a lot of problems [05:12] ethana2: You can ignore that [05:12] ScottK: thanks [05:13] ethana2: Lintian hasn't been updated to know about jaunty yet. [05:13] what planet post are we talking about? [05:13] ScottK: ah [05:13] ethana2: that's normal, you are using the intrepid version of lintian, which doesn't know about jaunty still [05:13] yep [05:13] http://en.emanuele-gentili.com/index.php/2008/11/09/the-quote-of-the-day/ [05:13] yea that's probably not something that should be on planet... [05:13] nxvl: Actually the Jaunty version doesn't either. [05:13] heh [05:13] yay for dev-tools [05:14] Well last I heard the change in the Lintian VCS repo, just not uploaded yet. [05:14] I did backport lintian 2.0 to hardy/intrepid though for people that want it. [05:14] * jdong removes planet.u.c from his RSS feeds [05:14] yeah [05:15] * nxvl HUGS ScottK for that [05:15] ScottK: ? [05:15] it`s a stupid-funny joke :) [05:15] Also debootstrap, devscripts (for dch), and pbuilder [05:15] emgent: some poeple will complain about your post saying "anal sex" [05:16] ... [05:16] * jdong thinks the nature of the content is inappropriate for the planet [05:16] emgent: that's how community works [05:16] emgent: It is, but there are also places in the world where people could get in real trouble just for reading such a thing. [05:16] emgent: see, there is the first complain ^^ [05:16] or underage people reading planet [05:16] okkay for skip it, i will obscure it. [05:17] like the (SOME_US) LoCo having problem with the police because a mom got scared [05:17] for me this is the last straw in a series of bad-taste, off-topic, illegal, and/or unsafe content posted to the planet. and I am personally through with it [05:17] I also think it's inappropriate [05:17] emgent: I appreciate you doing that. [05:17] I don't personally object too much, but I think it falls in that category [05:17] jdong: He's agreed to deal with it when asked. I think that's reasonable. [05:17] i ROLF reading it [05:17] k [05:17] :D [05:18] ScottK: yeah, for this instance it is reasonable. [05:18] If he needs a replacement I can say something about lawyers and antiviruses [05:18] I don't think it'll stop the "here you can torrent the latest iSight firmware blob stolen from OS X" links though. [05:18] jdong: that sounds helpful [05:18] * ScottK didn't see that one. [05:18] you paid for it if you have one [05:19] Is it the only way to use mac webcams that you've bought? [05:19] ethana2: no, you can... grab it from your OS X DVD or OS X partition [05:19] well, ilegal software copies are the worst enemy of free software [05:19] Here's one that's funny, but totally inappropriate for planet: http://xkcd.com/463/ [05:19] same thing though... [05:19] done, anyway i dont have nothing against anal sex with people with the same gender.. it was only funny quote :) [05:19] ethana2: how is that the same thing at all? [05:19] same data [05:19] because people doesn't care about how much they need to pay for their software so they just don't look for alternatives [05:20] xkcd is awesome [05:20] * nxvl buyed a hoody [05:20] emgent: thanks for doing so -- I know there's a lot of readers of Planet who are pretty young and probably shouldn't be seeing content like that [05:20] I really appreciate it [05:20] jdong: I don't want to be penalized for wiping my OSX install and snapping the DVD in half [05:20] wow, wait [05:20] anal sex? [05:20] If I own the hardware, I have a right to do what it takes to use it under what OS I will [05:20] what happened to family safe? [05:21] NCommander, don't worry it's being resolved [05:21] ethana2: so that suddenly makes it okay to illegally distribute and obtain the firmware? [05:21] ubuntu should handle it for the user [05:21] like broadcom [05:21] ethana2: agreed, that would be ideal [05:21] ....but I don't think Apple can be expected to be reasonable [05:21] so you do what you must [05:21] ethana2: but an acceptable workaround in the meantime is *NOT* for posting mediafire links to the firmware [05:22] that is illegal and it's unfortunate to see the community's blogosphere condoning such activity [05:22] gouki: i just got one lintian warning: binary without manpage which IIRC you are already solving, right? [05:22] jdong: illegal and wrong seem like they cannot be the same thing here [05:22] nxvl, it is solved, I believe. [05:23] unless you ripped an iSight /out/ of a mac and slapped it into something else [05:23] I created the man page for it, just not sure it's being correctly installed. [05:23] ethana2: it doesn't matter whether or not you *OWN* an iSight, it is not legal to distribute its firmware. period. [05:23] also i'm finding something quite odd, there is nothing inside *bin/* [05:23] jdong: if you live in sweden? [05:23] oh wait, copyright, not patent [05:23] ScottK: is that ok for a binary to go to /usr/games instead of any bin/ ? [05:23] ethana2: software licensing doesn't apply in Sweden? [05:24] jdong: I corrected my 'thinko' [05:24] nxvl, I was told, by a lintian warning, that it should go to bin/ :S [05:24] oh yes, /usr/games is in the path [05:24] If it's a game, it has to go there. [05:24] is ok [05:24] nevermind [05:24] OK [05:24] nxvl, about the man page, well, the page is there, and I added what I believe is the correct way of installing it to debian/rules. [05:24] I didn't know Apple could prevent other OS'es from running on their hardware, it's like a game console or something [05:24] that's unfortunate [05:25] ...although most people using ubuntu on a mac will probably be dual booting [05:25] gouki: also i will change "Initial release" for "Initial Packaging" [05:25] * ethana2 gets back to his .dsc stuff [05:25] or something like that [05:25] or packaged for ubuntu [05:26] You will change it? [05:26] W: stellarium source: changelog-should-mention-nmu [05:26] W: stellarium source: source-nmu-has-incorrect-version-number 0.10.0 [05:26] i use to use "Initial packaging for $(Debian/Ubuntu)" [05:26] ethana2: FWIW this problem will soon be moot -- the new iSights in latest-gen Apple hardware persistently remember their last-loaded firmware [05:26] gouki: no i won't touch it [05:26] :D [05:26] ethana2: i.e. you just have to boot into OS X once and the firmware sticks [05:26] jdong: ah [05:26] nxvl, oh OK. I'll change it then. [05:27] gouki: also you can get rid of the firsts lines on rules [05:27] nxvl, I'm more worried about the manual page ... :S Can you check rules to see if that is the correct way of installing? [05:27] http://pastebin.com/d5fde89fa [05:27] Those are the errors and warnings lintian gives me at this point [05:27] gouki: the comment saying "This file is originaly, blah blah blah" [05:27] i think i have and old version [05:27] :D [05:27] nxvl, that's not in there anymore: [05:28] yes i have [05:28] hehe. yeah, yo do :) [05:28] \o/ [05:28] uhm my @ubuntu.com mail alias seems broken.. [05:28] someone can confirm it too ? [05:28] I receive an email a couple of minutes ago ... [05:28] mine is working [05:28] argh! [05:28] but i'm a Canonical guy so it doesn't applies [05:29] Is it possible to delete a file from an upload? I accidentally included a non-needed file. In REVU, I mean. [05:29] ScottK: your alias work ? [05:29] gouki: just upload it again [05:29] emgent: You mean Ubuntu mail address? [05:30] nxvl, is there a way to download everything from an upload? I don't have the files on my HDD. [05:30] emgent: No idea. I don't use it. [05:30] wow [05:30] i need to catch my flight in a bit [05:30] :S [05:30] i hate airports [05:31] gouki: Copy the link to the .dsc file and then dget -x path-to-file.dsc [05:31] ScottK, thank you. [05:32] last cigar before my flight [05:32] nxvl, you can smoke on that airport? [05:32] Where are you? [05:32] at the smokers bar [05:32] :D [05:33] in the peruvian airport [05:33] ScottK, that didn't download the folder. Any work around? [05:33] nxvl, sweet. Here in Portugal you can't smoke inside any building. [05:33] i always pay the expesive cokes for having a cigar before my flights [05:33] yeah, here too [05:33] actually in any part of the world [05:34] but there are always smoke bars or stuff with the right infrastructure [05:34] the funniest i've ever seen was in the Barahas airport in madrid [05:34] gouki: If you got the .dsc, .diff.gz, and orig.tar.gz then dpkg-source -x filename.dsc [05:34] those are funny [05:34] gouki: you can use dget -x for it to unpack everything automagically [05:34] i've it on my rc file [05:35] Indeed! :S I forgot about that (read it on PackagingGuide). [05:35] Thank you. [05:35] DGET_VERIFY=no [05:35] that's the magical line [05:35] :D [05:36] inside ~/.devscripts [05:36] So you recommend removing *Initial release (LP: #) and replace it with *Initial Ubuntu package (LP: #) ? [05:37] Initial packaging for ubuntu [05:37] but yes [05:37] that's the idea [05:37] Changed. [05:37] k i will check that in Boston [05:37] my flight is already boarding [05:37] :S [05:37] nxvl, lucky you!! :) [05:37] Have a good flight! [05:37] read you later! [05:38] ...anyone care to help me knock out these lintian errors? http://pastebin.com/d5fde89fa [05:39] ethana2, use paste.ubuntu.com - It's easier on the eyes :) [05:39] ok [05:40] The first one can be ignored, as a more recent version of lintian is jaunty-aware. [05:40] Do you have the package somewhere? [05:40] http://paste.ubuntu.com/69506/ [05:40] What do you mean? [05:41] source tarball? [05:41] Can we browse the files somewhere? [05:41] I don't quite get you.... [05:41] the files are very easy to locate on stellarium.org [05:41] ..and I did an apt-get source for the current ubuntu version [05:41] and copied the /debian/ stuff over [05:42] ..and then started modifying it [05:42] That's what I believe is required. The debian/ files. [05:42] It would be good if it could go to REVU. Didn't know only new packages could go there. [05:42] Maybe ScottK or persia have a workaround. [05:43] Well it's not up to par yet [05:43] until nothing throws any errors [05:43] from lintian to pbuilder [05:44] gouki: Generally it's for new packages, but if someone wants to review it and you've got no where else to put it, REVU is fine. Just leave a comment saying people doing new package reviews should ignore it. [05:44] ethana2, there! :) Thank you ScottK. [05:44] Is there any other places to upload packages, besides PPA and REVU? [05:45] Could be useful to have a unofficial place for this kind of thing. [05:45] I generally just put them on my web site. Copy .dsc, .diff.gz, and .orig.tar.gz to a folder on the web server and give people a link to the .dsc. [05:46] I'd rather not bother uploading until lintian is good with it, if possible [05:46] more changes to coordinate [05:46] Would something like I mentioned have any interest to users? I would be happy to try and come up with something. [05:46] gouki: sure [05:46] collaborative packaging [05:47]