[00:04] <heych> hiyaz ;) i did it, i finally got ubuntu on this laptop
[00:05] <heych> what am i doing wrong for the installation manager to constantly insist i insert a disk with (20081028) in its title
[00:05] <heych> ??
[00:05] <heych> :D
[00:07] <heych> now i cant install flash
[00:07] <TheSheep> heych: go to system->software sources and uncheck the cd
[00:10] <heych> kk TheSheep
[00:24] <pronto> So I have a ISO of a dvd movie i backed up a while ago, whats the best way to burn to a DVD-R to play on any dvd player?
[00:31] <the-erm> I'm having a weird problem with my network applet not showing up for other user accounts until I log in with this account.
[00:31] <the-erm> Any ideas?
[00:31] <the-erm> In other words no one can get on the net until I get on the net.
[00:31] <the-erm> It's connecting wirelessly.
[00:43] <heych> hi, i think i installed compiz how do i run it?
[00:44] <the-erm> have you tried something like compiz<tab> to see what comes up?
[00:44] <the-erm> I'm not sure because I don't run it.
[00:45] <heych> i typed compiz-fusion but just compiz on its own did something to my gfx just now
[00:46] <the-erm> did it work?
[00:46] <heych> um kinda its seems stopped but not prompt
[00:46] <heych> i had a warning
[00:48] <heych> oh now it finished back to the prompt all windows have lost borders
[00:48] <heych> if i log of and back on u think it will be fixed?
[00:50] <heych> or maybe dis-allow xfce to manage the desktop
[00:54] <the-erm> heych: I don't know if you run gdm, then go to gnome ... it pretty much starts up but we run xfce here.
[00:55] <heych> ok, thanks the-erm is just im a xubuntu noobee
[01:03] <heych> i give up
[01:03] <heych> been doin this since 3pm its now 1 am
[01:12] <shaytan> i need to mount windows drivers to xubuntu... can anyone help me???
[01:12] <TheSheep> !smbmount
[01:12] <TheSheep> !smb
[01:13] <the-erm> what kind of drivers?
[01:13] <the-erm> Or are you referring to drives?
[01:13] <shaytan> ntfs drivers
[01:14] <the-erm> oh smb is the way to go then
[01:14] <shaytan> how to install it in terminal?
[01:14] <TheSheep> !ntfs
[01:14] <TheSheep> !ntfs-3g
[01:17] <shaytan> i can't seem to restore taskbar
[01:18] <shaytan> i minimized firefox but can't maximize it... taskbar crashed
[01:27] <shaytan> help!!! my taskbar panel isn't restoring on xubuntu... how to restore it??? i restarded xubuntu but thit not apear
[01:28] <charlie-tca> Would that be the top panel, bottom panel, or both panels?
[01:28] <shaytan> both
[01:28] <shaytan> what happened
[01:28] <shaytan> ?
[01:29] <shaytan> i just want to restore them is this a way?
[01:29] <charlie-tca> hit ctl-alt-F2, login, sudo xfce4panel start
[01:30] <charlie-tca> That will restore the panels, then alt+f7 to get the desktop again
[01:30] <shaytan> i used ctr-alt-F2 nothing happened
[01:31] <shaytan> just the screen flickered
[01:31] <charlie-tca> It never changed to the terminal screen?
[01:31] <shaytan> no
[01:31] <charlie-tca> That´s a bigger problem I can´t help with
[01:31] <charlie-tca> try all the f keys though
[01:31] <shaytan> sudo: xfce4panel: command not found
[01:32] <charlie-tca> sudo xfce4panel start
[01:33] <charlie-tca> sorry, try xfce4-panel
[01:33] <shaytan> it's not working...
[01:33] <shaytan> thank you it worked
[01:33] <charlie-tca> welcome. good luck now
[01:33] <shaytan> :-D
[01:33] <shaytan> ok
[01:36] <shaytan> i typed in terminal xfce4-panel but when i close the terminal the panel also crashes or disapears what is the problem?
[01:37] <shaytan> i'm forced to keep the terminal opened
[01:37] <charlie-tca> Try xfce4-panel stop
[01:37] <charlie-tca> then xfce4-panel start
[01:39] <shaytan> ** (xfce4-places-plugin:5571): CRITICAL **: xfce_panel_plugin_get_size: assertion `XFCE_IS_PANEL_PLUGIN (plugin)' failed
[01:39] <shaytan> ** (xfce4-places-plugin:5571): CRITICAL **: xfce_panel_plugin_get_orientation: assertion `XFCE_IS_PANEL_PLUGIN (plugin)' failed
[01:39] <TheSheep> shaytan: say, do you have any free space on your disk?
[01:40] <shaytan> i have
[01:40] <shaytan> why?
[01:41] <TheSheep> strange things happen with panel when it runs out of disk space
[01:41] <TheSheep> shaytan: press alt+f2 and type xfce4-panel there
[01:42] <shaytan> TheSheep it worked now but after restart how can i be sure it wont repeat?
[01:43] <TheSheep> shaytan: delete your saved sessions in .cache/sessions
[01:44] <TheSheep> shaytan: and when you log in next time, make sure you select 'xfce' as the session
[01:44] <shaytan> TheSheep ok thanks
[01:58] <killerbyte> hello
[02:00] <killerbyte> please can somebody tell me can you mount a partition using the gui in xubuntu?
[02:04] <shaytan666> how do i mount a ntfs driver with samba???
[02:04] <Necrosan> gotta get some dro
[02:04] <Necrosan> that's how
[02:05] <shaytan666> huh
[02:05] <Necrosan> you know what i mean
[02:24] <Valroadie> Anyone know a way to look at firewall or network settings to unblock a programs access
[02:30] <Valroadie> what is the GUI called for the netfilter firewall?
[02:35] <spowney> how would i change the shortcut alt + F8 (to hide/minimize a window) to a shortcut of my choice, or what would be the command to assign to a shortcut to minimize a window
[03:06] <killerbyte> hello
[03:08] <killerbyte> please can somebody tell me can you set xubuntu to mount file systems on internal hard drives automatically?
[03:15] <IdeAlEss> Hello, I was wanting to upgrade my 8.04 to 8.10 but the update manager doesn't give the option to upgrade versions.  I did go thought and upgrade several individual files though.  How do I do a full upgrade?
[03:19] <DCPom> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IntrepidUpgrades
[03:22] <IdeAlEss> thanks, wasn't sure if that was true for xubutu as well.  The Xubutu page should really be changed then as it says it will prompt you.
[03:28] <IdeAlEss> thanks, worked great, updating now!
[03:31] <DCPom> yep most of the times i just refer to the ubuntu stuff because it's more often updated
[04:04] <hardcore> howdy yall
[04:04] <hardcore> i've noticed myspace pages are resource hogs
[04:05] <Grey_Loki> Yep
[04:05] <hardcore> any way to fix that?
[04:05] <Grey_Loki> Not that i've ever seen - they're just badly designed
[04:06] <hardcore> thanks
[04:06] <hardcore> are there better alternatives?
[04:06] <Grey_Loki> At least, every MySpace page i've ever visited has lagged, whether it's on my linux machine, my mac laptop, or my XP desktop
[04:06] <Grey_Loki> To MySpace?
[04:06] <hardcore> yes
[04:06] <Grey_Loki> A lot of people seem to like Facebook, if you can stand their policies on storing your personal information
[04:07] <hardcore> i guess the philosophy of myspace and xfce don't exactly go hand in hand
[04:07] <hardcore> i'd rather not get too personal, no
[04:08] <hardcore> later yall
[04:43] <ball> What's the icon for the Places menu?  A couple of drawers?
[04:44] <dcolish> ball, I think so
[04:44] <dcolish> yup
[04:44] <ball> Thanks
[04:49] <ball> Oh good, it's easy enough to add a program to the menu bar, complete with its own icon.
[04:51] <ball> I just replaced Firefox with SeaMonkey
[04:53] <ball> hello Halow
[04:54] <dcolish> ball, yeah its all about the launchers... i find that locating the icons for the app can be tricky sometimes
[04:56] <Halow> Hello. I was wondering if I'm missing something to get Bluetooth working in Xubuntu. I'm normally an Ubuntu user, and wanted to know if I needed something else to work on pairing/unpairing while in Xubuntu.
[04:56] <Halow> Seems Bluez only really likes Gnome?
[04:59] <dcolish> Halow, i'm not very familiar with bluetooth setup, but the wiki seems to suggest that it is the same as regular ubuntu
[04:59] <ball> Is "Bluez" a piece of software?
[05:00] <dcolish> ball, yes, its a bluetooth utilities driver
[05:00] <Halow> When I'm in Ubuntu, I get the little Bluetooth icon. It's about bubble says Bluetooth Applet (bluez.org). Most of the things it depends on are bluez*.
[05:00] <Halow> Under Xubuntu I don't see that icon in the notifican area (or equivalent thereof).
[05:01] <dcolish> Halow, try running lsmod | grep blue to see if you have the kernel mods installed for bluetooth
[05:01] <dcolish> it could be that you need to add that applet to your panel
[05:03] <dcolish> Halow, I'm not sure if this page is relevant anymore, but it looks helpful https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BluetoothSetup
[05:04] <ball> How much is a Bluetooth dongle these days?
[05:04] <dcolish> ball, should be really cheap, like $10 bucks
[05:04] <Halow> I spent $29.99 +tx/s&h for a a really tiny one.
[05:05] <ball> dcolish: Can bluetooth headsets for mobile phones work with a PC?
[05:05] <dcolish> ball, you should be able to pair any bluetooth product, headsets being just one
[05:05] <Halow> I was about to say... currently in Ubuntu now, and using one on Skype.
[05:06] <ball> Wait, Skype is available for Linux?
[05:06] <ball> Hmm... perhaps I should try that.
[05:06] <Halow> Hehe, yeah.
[05:06] <Halow> It's a pain in the rear to get working with my headset... but I can manage it.
[05:06] <dcolish> Halow, what was so hard about it?
[05:07] <ball> I'm cold.
[05:07] <Halow> I seem to have to restart Skype and run "sudo /etc/init.d/bluetooth restart" often to get it not to error at me.
[05:07] <ball> brb, QSY to front room
[05:08] <Halow> Usually after one successful call I have to unpair/repair, quit skype, restart bluetooth, restart skype.
[05:08] <Halow> LOL
[05:08] <Halow> I have a toddler, so not being tethered to the computer is fairly important.
[05:10] <Halow> Okay, brb for me too, then. Going to try that command in Xubuntu.
[05:13] <Halow> Hm... output is exactly the same: bluetooth              61924  11 rfcomm,sco,bnep,l2cap,btusb
[05:15] <dcolish> well thats a start, did you try sudo hidd --search yet?
[05:16] <ball> I seem to have two home folders
[05:17] <Halow> hidd: command not found
[05:17] <Halow> hcitool scan works, though.
[05:17] <dcolish> ball, i dont think thats possible?
[05:17] <ball> Correction, I seem to have two home folder icons on my desktop
[05:19] <dcolish> Halow, read the man page for that. you should be able to connect with that tool. also double check that you dont have to add a bluetooth applet or something
[05:19] <ball> If I hover over them, one says 'Desktop configuration file' and the other says 'Folder'
[05:19] <ball> ...not sure which to delete
[05:20] <dcolish> on the command line goto ~/Desktop
[05:21] <ball> I'm there
[05:21] <ball> ...now what?
[05:21] <dcolish> do an ls in that folder and see what is actually on your desktop. anything with a .desktop ending is a desktop launcher file
[05:22] <ball> okay, I have one file there ending in .desktop
[05:22] <dcolish> and it is named?
[05:22] <ball> doris.desktop
[05:23] <dcolish> is that your home folder too?
[05:23] <Halow> dcolish: I couldn't use that guide to connect, as it wanted a "hidd" command to do so. Also, when I check Applications>System>Services, bluetooth is checked.
[05:24] <ball> dcolish: I don't know ...probably.
[05:25] <dcolish> Halow, right, but if you run man hcitool you can see how to use that tool. also please check to see if there is an applet for it by right clicking on the panel and searching the add dialog
[05:25] <ball> Will cows fall from the sky if I delete that?
[05:26] <dcolish> ball, probably not
[05:26] <ball> hello perforate
[05:26] <perforate> hey
[05:26] <perforate> no problems today just hangin' out looking for tips
[05:27] <ball> Should Xfce have a trashcan / recycle bin somewhere?
[05:28] <perforate> starting to get the hang of xubuntu, also just turned a chemistry major onto it
[05:28] <Halow> dcolish: Nothing in add to panel about bluetooth (though there is one for Trash).
[05:28] <Halow> ball^
[05:28] <perforate> I just formatted her dell and put xubuntu onto it
[05:29] <ball> hello silverdulcet
[05:29] <dcolish> Halow, ok, um is there anything under xfce menu -> settings manager?
[05:29] <silverdulcet> ball: hello
[05:29] <Halow> Not that I can see immediately. Let me look further.
[05:29] <dcolish> ok
[05:29] <ball> Oh wierd, I have a "no entry" sign bottom right on my screen.  If I hover over it I see 'failed to connect to trash'
[05:30] <Odd-rationale> ball: hmm... try "sudo /etc/init.d/hal restart" and/or "sudo /etc/init.d/fam restart"
[05:31] <Odd-rationale> ball: otherwise, see if a logout, or reboot solves it...
[05:34] <ball> hello Ahmuck
[05:34] <ball> Odd-rationale: I may try that.
[05:35] <Ahmuck> hi ball
[05:35] <silverdulcet> I have a strange nfs problem. When mounting an nfs share on my xubuntu box, when mounted is owned by hplip and group mysql, I am unable to write to it. On my ubuntu box mounted nfs shares are owned by haldaemon group netdev. Any idea why?
[05:36] <dcolish> silverdulcet, check the mount point ownership
[05:36] <ball> brb, rebooting
[05:36] <silverdulcet> dcolish: its owned by my username, under my home directory...
[05:37] <dcolish> silverdulcet, you can always try a chown
[05:37] <silverdulcet> I've sort of worked around it. I added my username to the mysql group and I'm able to write to the share. Just wondered why the permissions change to hplip/mysql instead of haldaemon/netdev
[05:38] <silverdulcet> dcolish: doesn't work, permission denied.
[05:38] <dcolish> you need to do that as sudo
[05:39] <silverdulcet> dcolish: I did that as well. Before the nfs share is mounted its owned by me, after it changes to hplip/mysql.
[05:39] <dcolish> how are you mounting the nfs share?
[05:41] <silverdulcet> dcolish: its in my fstab, host:/path/to/share /home/username/mountpoint nfs noauto, users,hard,intr
[05:41] <silverdulcet> then just mount /mountpoint
[05:43] <silverdulcet> dcolish: the exact same fstab entry works perfectly on my ubuntu install.
[05:44] <Halow> dcolish, Nothing in there that I saw relates to bluetooth, although I did notice that PulseAudio isn't working on this side. Hm...
[05:44] <ball> rebooting didn't help
[05:44] <Odd-rationale> ball: do you have a ~/.local/share/Trash/ directory?
[05:45] <Odd-rationale> ball: and are you running thunar?
[05:45] <ball> Thunar is running.
[05:46] <ball> yes, I have a ~/.local/share/Trash
[05:47] <Odd-rationale> hmm... what version of xubuntu?
[05:47] <Odd-rationale> ball: ?
[05:48] <ball> I don't know, let me check.
[05:49] <Odd-rationale> ball: `uname -a`
[05:49] <Odd-rationale> whoops wrong one..
[05:49] <Odd-rationale> `lsb_release -a`
[05:50] <ball> Ubuntu 8.04.1 (with xubuntu-desktop added)
[05:50] <ball> ...and configured to be the new default.
[05:50] <Odd-rationale> ball: can you access the trash from thunar?
[05:51] <ball> yes
[05:51] <Odd-rationale> ball: try removing the one in the panel and adding it again...
[05:53] <ball> Odd-rationale: the new one exhibits the same problem.
[05:54] <Odd-rationale> hmm. i really dunno then... the next thing i would try is delete the ~/.cache and ~/.config directories... but i'm not sure you want to go that far...
[05:55] <ball> trying that.
[05:56] <Odd-rationale> then log out once your done... don't save the session.
[05:56] <ball> Trying that now
[05:59] <silverdulcet> Odd-rationale: do you happen to have any nfs shares mounted, can you tell me whether they are owned by haldaemon/netdev or hplip/mysql.
[05:59] <Odd-rationale> silverdulcet: hmm... well tbh, i had a similar issue with sshfs...
[06:00] <Odd-rationale> silverdulcet: can you browse the mount point from the command line?
[06:00] <silverdulcet> Odd-rationale: thats funny, sshfs mounts are owned by hplip/mysql but doesn't deny me write permissions as nfs does.
[06:01] <Odd-rationale> weird.... i don't have much experience with nfs...
[06:01] <silverdulcet> I was just looking for what the standard ownership of nfs mounted shares should be.
[06:02] <silverdulcet> Odd-rationale: what do you mean browse from the commandline?
[06:02] <Odd-rationale> silverdulcet: cd /mountpoint; ls
[06:02] <Odd-rationale> touch file
[06:02] <Odd-rationale> etc...
[06:03] <silverdulcet> Odd-rationale: oh yeah, reading the share is no problem, it just doesn't give me write permissions unless I'm part of the mysql group. On ubuntu its there aren't these permission problems.
[06:04] <silverdulcet> Odd-rationale: what exact problems did you have with sshfs?
[06:05] <Odd-rationale> silverdulcet: i could read/write from the command line, but could not open the mount point in thunar...
[06:06] <silverdulcet> Odd-rationale: that might happen if you just added yourself to the fuse group, then relogged in, within your terminal window but not your entire X session.
[06:07] <Odd-rationale> oh, i see... well i don't use thunar any more so...
[06:18] <Odd-rationale> anyways, i'm heading to bed. night all!
[06:18] <ball> Goodnight Odd-rationale
[07:18] <burim> hello
[07:20] <burim> why does the update manager keeps offering my to upgrade software i didnt even install ? totem player for example...
[07:48] <ridoo> hi
[07:55] <gabkdlly> burim: totem is installed as a default in xubuntu
[07:56] <gabkdlly> you can safely remove it if you wish
[08:07] <burim> the only thing related to totem that i have installed according the the synaptic package manager is the libtotem-plparser12 package, and if i remove it it tells me i must remove a bunch of other programs, rythmbox, gnomegames etc.
[08:08] <burim> can i permanently ignore certain updates ? i dont wanna install totem nor remove the depended programs
[08:14] <owen1> how to enable the right alt key from the terminal?
[08:33] <SuperMario1776> I would like to install xubuntu 8.10 on to a 2000 iBook (FireWire) using "xubuntu-8.10-alternate-powerpc.iso". I have to do a USB install because dozens of attempts using burned CD's have failed. I was able to install Debian using a USB drive, but for that I was able to find a very small business card iso that could fit on to the 239 MB partition that "Copying the files — the easy way" at https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/inst
[08:33] <SuperMario1776> The reason the boot partition ends up being only 239 MB is because that is the size of the img file in boot.img.gz. I can't do the same process with xubuntu because xubuntu-8.10-alternate-powerpc.iso is 627 MB in size. I have tried doing "Copying the files — the flexible way" but I have not been able to get it to work, so I would prefer to use "the easy way". Can the size of the img file be expanded so that the resulting 
[08:35] <SuperMario1776> Knock, knock. Is there anybody home?
[08:42] <Jabone_> well you can use the netinstall method if you have decent internet connection
[08:44] <SuperMario1776> debian netinstalls were too big, and I haven't seen any xubuntu net installs, just desktop and alternate
[08:48] <SuperMario1776> the reason i want to try xubuntu is because debian doesn't seem to like my iBook's video card and I can't get any GUI. I've heard of others getting ubuntu on to iBooks so I'd like to try it.
[08:52] <SuperMario1776> currently I have four apple made, laptop shaped paperweights
[08:58] <Jabone_> there is netinstall image that lets you select which distro you are installing
[08:58] <Jabone_> I've installed xubuntu that way
[08:59] <SuperMario1776> oh? where can I get it?
[09:00] <Jabone_> ftp://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/dists/intrepid/main/installer-i386/current/images/
[09:00] <Jabone_> i think its the netboot thing
[09:01] <Jabone_> ftp://archive.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/dists/intrepid/main/installer-amd64/current/images/
[09:02] <Jabone_> if you want 64 bit
[09:04] <SuperMario1776> hmm, no ppc support from hardy, but I'm not surprised because I'd heard ubuntu support for macs is on the way out, but I did find gusty, and it's deffinately small enough
[09:05] <SuperMario1776> thanks for suggesting it
[09:05] <Jabone_> yeah you are rigth there seems to be no netinstall images for powerpc
[10:04] <Snyper`> im having hell trying to install xubuntu on an old abit BP6 board that has a HPT366 controller on it, it was all working fine till i upgraded to 8.10 and after afew issues i ended up having to format
[10:05] <Snyper`> now i cant get it working... i pop my 8.04 livecd in and the install seems togo just great and then i reboot and it cant find the root device
[10:06] <Snyper`> ive searched and searched and tried everything ive read on the forums..
[10:08] <Snyper`> also what i find weird is that this copy of xubuntu i made in july boot just fine.. ive download and burn 8.04 alt, home, server, 8.10 alt, home, server and none of them will boot
[10:09] <Snyper`> they all lockup right after detecting the HDD and cdrom
[10:11] <Snyper`> also might add that everything works just fine after i install it on the HPT366.. then unconnect the drive and put the drive on ide1
[10:24] <krio> good morning
[10:24] <Snyper`> installed it again letting it do the partitions and no luck either
[10:24] <Snyper`> morning krio
[10:25] <krio> i have  a 7.04 kubuntu version on my old computer
[10:25] <krio> a pentium 3 933 whit a256 mb of memory
[10:26] <krio> the question is a good idea change it for xubuntu 8.10?
[10:26] <Snyper`> i personally had issues with 8.10
[10:27] <Snyper`> id wait afew weeks / month before moving to it
[10:28] <Snyper`> if you want xubuntu you can get it by doing apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[10:28] <Snyper`> i think thats the right package
[10:29] <Snyper`> but xfce4 does run alittle smoother than kde on old systems
[10:30] <krio> but xface4 it is easy to menage like kde 3.5?
[10:30] <Snyper`> the way xubuntu is setup yes
[10:31] <Snyper`> you can use both though if you like
[10:32] <krio> on a 7.04 version??
[10:32] <Snyper`> yes
[10:33] <krio> let me say what
[10:33] <krio> sorry for my english
[10:34] <krio> i mean say me how
[10:35] <Snyper`> they are just desktops on top of ubuntu
[10:36] <Snyper`> so if you want xubuntu just install the xubuntu-desktop
[10:36] <krio> using synaptic?
[10:36] <Snyper`> yes
[10:37] <krio> ok, but how can i change it?
[10:38] <krio> better.. how can i choose the different desktop?
[10:43] <Snyper`> just switch the session
[10:44] <Snyper`> at the login screen
[10:44] <krio> ok i'll try later
[10:45] <krio> thanks
[10:48] <krio> and see you
[10:50] <frank_xubuntu> hi
[10:51] <frank_xubuntu> I've got a problem with sound in Xubuntu
[10:51] <frank_xubuntu> <- first time xubuntu user
[10:52] <frank_xubuntu> drivers weren't loaded automatically for my soundcard, so I had to add the module to /etc/modules
[10:52] <frank_xubuntu> but now I only get sound if I run the app in question with sudo!
[10:52] <frank_xubuntu> (tried Opera webbrowser, aumix, alsamix, etc)
[10:52] <frank_xubuntu> all work fine with sudo, all don't work without
[10:53] <frank_xubuntu> do I need to add my Xfce user to some 'audio' users group before I get access to the soundcard?
[11:00] <wolfie2x> hello anybody here?
[11:03] <frank_xubuntu> I am
[11:03] <TheSheep> frank_xubuntu: yes, but the first user should be automatically in the audio group
[11:04] <frank_xubuntu> TheSheep: that's odd, as I currently don't get sound with the first (and only) user
[11:04] <frank_xubuntu> TheSheep: unless I use sudo
[11:05] <frank_xubuntu> can I view the group's I'm in with 'groups' in a terminal?
[11:05] <TheSheep> frank_xubuntu: what does 'ls -ald /dev/dsp' show?
[11:05] <TheSheep> frank_xubuntu: with 'id'
[11:06] <frank_xubuntu> it shows a file owned by root in group audio
[11:06] <TheSheep> frank_xubuntu: can you copy-paste the line?
[11:06] <frank_xubuntu> seems like I'm not in group 'audio'
[11:07] <frank_xubuntu> frank@nostalgia-linux:~$ ls -ald /dev/dsp
[11:07] <frank_xubuntu> crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 3 2008-11-09 11:40 /dev/dsp
[11:07] <TheSheep> ok
[11:07] <TheSheep> then just add yourself to that group
[11:07] <TheSheep> maybe it didn't add you to audio because there wasn't any soundcard :/
[11:07] <frank_xubuntu> ah
[11:07] <frank_xubuntu> there was, but for some reason xubuntu didn't load the module
[11:08] <frank_xubuntu> it's a SB16 even.. most popular soundcard ever?
[11:08] <TheSheep> so it thought there wasn't
[11:08] <frank_xubuntu> yeah
[11:09] <TheSheep> isn't it like... from Precambr or Carbon or some time then?
[11:10] <frank_xubuntu> do I need to reboot before I can access the soundcard?
[11:10] <frank_xubuntu> I just added myself to the 'audio' group
[11:10] <frank_xubuntu> but it't not working yet
[11:10] <TheSheep> no, just log out and log in back
[11:10] <frank_xubuntu> TheSheep: but everyone tells me that linux runs better than Windows on old hardware.. so I decided to give it a go?
[11:11] <frank_xubuntu> hence I chose for a lightweight distro
[11:11] <TheSheep> frank_xubuntu: it certainly has more drivers for old hardware than vista
[11:11] <TheSheep> better doesn't mean perfect
[11:11] <frank_xubuntu> ah but who needs vista when it runs XP great
[11:11] <frank_xubuntu> was just wondering if xubuntu would run better on it
[11:11] <frank_xubuntu> and if I could get AIGLX to work on the matrox G400 on that box
[11:11] <TheSheep> the up side is that it usually doesn't break once you set it up
[11:12] <frank_xubuntu> should it? :)
[11:12] <TheSheep> the down side is that setting it up is sometimes hard, and it may break on upgrade
[11:13] <frank_xubuntu> ok be right back.. trying a log-off / log-on cycle
[11:15] <frank_xubuntu> great
[11:15] <frank_xubuntu> now it's working
[11:16] <frank_xubuntu> anyway, I install a linux distro once in a while to see the state of desktop linux
[11:17] <frank_xubuntu> (once every 1 or 2 years)
[11:17] <frank_xubuntu> so this time it was Xubuntu's turn
[11:17] <knome> frank_xubuntu, how did you end up testing xubuntu?
[11:18] <frank_xubuntu> well my spare hw isn't really up to the bloatware that most distro's are these days
[11:18] <knome> X)
[11:18] <frank_xubuntu> they can compete with these windows installs from OEMs that load them up with all kind of crappy addware, shareware, etc
[11:19] <frank_xubuntu> that fill up all your ram and slow it down to a crawl
[11:19] <frank_xubuntu> at least Xubuntu is nice and light-weight
[11:21] <frank_xubuntu> w00t, even adobe's craptastic flash is working in xubuntu
[11:22] <knome> sure
[11:22] <frank_xubuntu> ok next step is to get AIGLX working on my G400
[11:23] <frank_xubuntu> so I can try compositing
[11:26] <frank_xubuntu> and enabling my mouse thumb buttons
[11:27] <frank_xubuntu> why don't those work by default? weird...
[11:41] <frank_xubuntu> ok vidcard driver and mouse thumb buttons is for another time.
[11:41] <frank_xubuntu> thanks for the help!
[12:28] <tony_> Hi
[12:32] <vidd> hello tony_
[12:41] <tony_> Hi
[12:42] <tony_> any ideas on Flash video on a G3 imac running Dapper?
[12:42] <jim_p> hi guys
[12:43] <jim_p> does anyone know how can i make my tiny little xfce icons. on the desktop and in the folders, a bit bigger? where is that setting?
[12:45] <vidd> tony_, what exactly are you asking?
[12:46] <vidd> jim_p, sorry...i dont have an answer
[12:47] <tony_> I have an imac with Dapper installed. I can not get gnash to install. Are there any other ways I can view Flash sites?
[12:47] <tony_> Like youtube.
[12:47] <vidd> tony_, first....get a supported version of ubuntu....
[12:48] <vidd> second, install the flash-nonfree (multiverse) instead of Gnash
[12:49] <vidd> upgrading to newer version may get Gnash to work for you...since there have been great improvements in the last 2 years
[12:49] <vidd> tony_, actually...dapper may still have support left.... but i'd upgrade anyway
[12:50] <tony_> Anything past Dapper wont install on these old imacs,
[12:50] <vidd> once the desktop support cycle runs out, you will have to upgrade to Hardy
[12:50] <vidd> tony_, why not?
[12:51] <tony_> When I try to compile from source (gnash) it has dependencies that I cannt get.
[12:51] <vidd> tony_, dont use gnash
[12:51] <vidd> use the flash player from adobe
[12:52] <vidd> sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[12:52] <tony_> When I try to install Fiesty or Intrepid etc the install goes through (using the alternate cd ...live doesnt work)
[12:52] <tony_> and boots up then shuts off.
[12:52] <vidd> tony_, what part of "UPGRADE" are you missing?
[12:52] <tony_> that flash is for X86 not ppc
[12:52] <vidd> update-manager -d
[12:53] <vidd> tony_, that flash is for linux...not arch-specific
[12:54] <Snyper`> id wait on 8.10
[12:55] <Snyper`> or install on another partition
[12:55] <vidd> the plug-in should work for ppc, i386, and 64-bit
[12:55] <tony_> but is processor specific.
[12:56] <tony_> Adobe does not port for ppc processor for Linux
[12:56] <tony_> I wish it was that easy.
[12:56] <vidd> so you tried it already and it failed?
[12:57] <tony_> The part of UPGRADE that I'm missing is that anything past Dapper doesnt work on this old imac.
[12:57] <vidd> tony_, did you upgrade or install the newer versions?
[12:58] <tony_> Yes I tried to install Adobe plugin and it told me that I did not have an X85 processor.
[12:58] <vidd> then install gnash though apt-get
[12:58] <vidd> its in the repos
[12:58] <tony_> Both with thr cd and I tried through Update manager.
[12:59] <tony_> Thanks for the info.\
[12:59] <vidd> Snyper`, if he cant get hardy to install, how is he going to get intrepid?
[13:00] <Snyper`> didnt read that far
[13:00] <Snyper`> but since its more active in here
[13:00] <Snyper`> stuck trying to get my system back working..
[13:01] <vidd> what's wrong?
[13:01] <Snyper`> was running 8.04 just fine untill i put 8.10 on it and then ended up having to format
[13:01] <Snyper`> now it will not fully boot up
[13:01] <vidd> why?
[13:01] <vidd> why did you have to format
[13:02] <Snyper`> i have an onboard HPT366 controller and it will install just fine from the livecd
[13:02] <Snyper`> but after reboot it gets stuck
[13:02] <Snyper`> vidd long story
[13:02] <vidd> im here till 5:30 EST
[13:02] <Snyper`> ok
[13:03] <Snyper`> another weird thing is the livecd of 8.04 i made in july boots up just fine
[13:04] <vidd> Snyper`, that comment meant "tell me why you had to format"
[13:04] <Snyper`> i made a copy of 8.04 and 8.10 (desktop,server,alt) few days ago and none will work
[13:05] <Snyper`> my boot partition was too small
[13:05] <vidd> ok....
[13:05] <Snyper`> and 8.10 pissed me off so i formated
[13:05] <vidd> so you have your hd all partitioned the way you want?
[13:05] <Snyper`> gparted also screwed the drive up
[13:05] <Snyper`> but either way thats not the problem now
[13:06] <Snyper`> its now partitioned how i want it.. :/
[13:06] <vidd> ok...take the old 8.04 (not the 8.04.1) DISK AND DO A BASIC INSTALL
[13:07] <vidd> sorry bout the caps
[13:07] <Snyper`> vidd ive installed 8.04
[13:07] <Snyper`> i reboot
[13:07] <vidd> so the system is currently up?
[13:07] <Snyper`> get into grub.. remove quiet and slash
[13:07] <Snyper`> to see whats going on
[13:08] <Snyper`> and it gets stuck cause it cant find root
[13:08] <vidd> Snyper`, have you fsck the hard drive?
[13:08] <Snyper`> i can use the livecd to chroot into the install and all works welll after mounting everything
[13:08] <Snyper`> its not the install
[13:08] <Snyper`> its something todo with my ht366 controller
[13:09] <Snyper`> hpt366*
[13:09] <vidd> i dont even know what that is
[13:09] <Snyper`> board is a BP6 that has onboard HPT366
[13:09] <vidd> is that the mother board?
[13:09] <Snyper`> BP6 yes
[13:10] <vidd> well...if the MOBO is fried, replace it
[13:10] <Snyper`> its basicly and highpoint UDMA66 IDE card on board
[13:10] <Snyper`> vidd your listen
[13:10] <Snyper`> grr
[13:10] <Snyper`> vidd listen
[13:11] <Snyper`> install goes just fine like normal
[13:11] <Snyper`> there is somthing todo with the kernal not seeing the drive
[13:12] <vidd> does grub load?
[13:12] <Snyper`> and if i use the CD to Try XUBUNTU before installing
[13:12] <Snyper`> yes grub is fine
[13:12] <Snyper`> and if i use the CD to Try XUBUNTU before installing
[13:12] <vidd> ok...did you add a new drive? like a usb drive?
[13:12] <Snyper`> i can use that to mount the drives
[13:12] <Snyper`> then chroot into the install
[13:12] <Snyper`> and use the pc as normal
[13:13] <Snyper`> this is a IDE drive
[13:13] <vidd> if grub loads, then the bios is finding the drive....
[13:13] <vidd> what is the error message you get?
[13:13] <Snyper`> well yea
[13:14] <Snyper`> kernal see the drive just fine too as i said
[13:14] <Casava`> help
[13:14] <Snyper`> let me start it up from the livecd and ill paste were it dies
[13:14] <Casava`>  how I can add a screen and other applications on autostart on Xubuntu
[13:15] <Snyper`> crontab
[13:15] <Casava`> pls i really need help
[13:15] <Casava`>  how I can add a screen and other applications on autostart on Xubuntu
[13:15] <vidd> Casava`, if your not going to read your answer, then dont ask
[13:16] <vidd> you were told to add it to crontab
[13:17] <vidd> you can also open the autostart applications in settings manager and set it up there
[13:17] <Casava`> hey do you know how to make "aliases" for long commands
[13:17] <vidd> Casava`, yeah....ad it to the /etc/alias file
[13:18] <vidd> Casava`, let me get you a tut
[13:18] <Casava`> how does it work with crontab?
[13:18] <Casava`> vidd how does it work with crontab?
[13:19] <Casava`> i really need  help
[13:19] <vidd> how should i know? Snyper` told you to do it that way
[13:19] <vidd> but check this out: http://www.linux.org/lessons/
[13:19] <Casava`> Snyper` how does it work with crontab?
[13:20] <vidd> Casava`, READ THE TUTORIAL i posted
[13:20] <vidd> its got step-by-step instructions for both questions you asked
[13:22] <Casava`> vidd : Xubuntu
[13:22] <vidd> Casava`, every linux out there
[13:24] <vidd> Casava`, for autostarting apps in xubuntu: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=com.ubuntu%3Aen-US%3Aunofficial&hs=v8U&q=autostart+applications+xubuntu&btnG=Search
[13:25] <vidd> its amazing what google can do
[13:27] <vidd> setting up aliases in *buntu http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-784937.html
[13:28]  * vidd will be back in 10
[13:28] <Snyper`> vidd im waiting on xubuntu to install
[13:28] <vidd> Snyper`, im just going down for a smoke
[13:29] <vidd> ill be back
[13:31] <ron_o> linux has 30% market share of Eee PCs..
[13:31] <ron_o> http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=a3VyE_ofSwwE&refer=news
[13:38] <vidd> ron_o, thats a shame...it used to have 100%
[13:40] <Casava`> how would you autostart things with xfce by using cron? I dont get it by reading that site
[13:41] <vidd> Casava`, cron is a cli app for auto-starting apps
[13:41] <knome> Casava`, see "Autostarted apps" from the Xfce Settings Manager (Applications -> Settings -> ...)
[13:42] <Casava`> you can automate everything in screen.. read man screen and see the commands you want to execute and put 'm in a script
[13:42] <knome> screen doesn't run automatically if you reboot your computer
[13:43] <knome> Casava`, you'd be better off with the GUI editor
[13:46] <vidd> Casava`, what exactly are you trying to do?
[13:47] <Casava`> vidd i was just curious how you want to autostart i.e. xterm with crontab, when xfce starts
[13:48] <vidd> Casava`, cron is not for starting apps when xfce starts....
[13:49] <vidd> you want "autostarted applications" for that...as knome said 6 minutes ago
[13:49] <Casava`> I want to start a screen session (but not attach to it) and in there start 1 window for irssi, 1 window for rtorrent
[13:50] <vidd> cron is for starting applications at start-up, and at specific times...like auto-backups, and syncronization with other servers, etc
[13:50] <vidd> Casava`, well...happy hunting.....remember....google is your friend =]
[13:50] <Casava`> ok
[13:51] <Casava`>  I know -m -d is to go
[13:51] <Casava`>  or -d -m
[13:51]  * vidd has never used screen....
[13:52]  * vidd would rather have torrentflux do the torrents
[13:52] <knome> vidd, transmission is fine and easy
[13:52] <hhh2> hhh2> i need help for setup flash 9 ,it crashes browsers also with libflashsupport-pulse
 i have 9,0,48,0 flash version and the version 10 is worse..
 9.0.48.0
 with pulseaudio
[13:52] <vidd> and why would you want irssi running if your not going to be connected to it?
[13:53] <Casava`>  vidd would rather have torrentflux do the torrents       why?
[13:53] <vidd> Knightlust, you really have no clue
[13:53] <vidd> knome, ^^^
[13:53] <knome> vidd, :P
[13:53] <Casava`>  vidd would rather have torrentflux do the torrents       why?
[13:54] <vidd> Casava`, because it is a server....i can log into it from anywhere
[13:54] <vidd> Casava`, you keep repeating yourself and i will put you on auto-ignore
[13:55] <Casava`> same here
[13:55] <Casava`> sorry sir
[13:55] <vidd> and my other question to you was....why do you wish to have irssi running if your not actually looking at it?
[13:56] <vidd> is the intent to have some kind of bot running?
[13:56] <Snyper`> still wating on this install but yea i know it has todo with the htp366 controller as i did install and use the system on the ata33 ide's
[13:57] <vidd> Snyper`, so you made a hardware change?
[13:57] <Snyper`> no that was just to narrow it down
[13:57] <Snyper`> as i said before the system was working fine till i formated it
[13:57] <vidd> Snyper`, let me rephrase....you made a hardware change and the issue went away?
[13:57] <Snyper`> its just not loading the hpt366 right
[13:58] <Snyper`> maybe i should start over.. im having an issues booting from the hpt366 controller that is onboard the mobo..
[13:59] <Snyper`> the livecd install onto it just fine
[13:59] <Casava`> Thank you sir..
[13:59] <Snyper`> i reboot and it drops to busybox cause it gives up looking for the root device
[14:00] <Snyper`> it does boot the kernal image though so i know it does SEE the drive
[14:00] <Casava`> thank you for help
[14:00] <vidd> Snyper`, what exactly does this piece of hardware do?
[14:00] <Snyper`> its a ATA controller
[14:00] <Snyper`> ATA66
[14:00] <vidd> ah! so there we have it
[14:01] <vidd> do you have an IDE drive as well?
[14:01] <Snyper`> yes
[14:02] <vidd> ok....on your install, putt the /boot directory on the IDE drive, and you should be golden....just make the opartition big enough
[14:02] <Snyper`> drive is a ide drive
[14:03] <vidd> your issue is that the system is looking for the root partition BEFORE loading the sata controler
[14:03] <Snyper`> its not an sata drive
[14:03] <vidd> ok...its for "etra drives" right?
[14:04] <vidd> so you can have more then 4?
[14:04] <Snyper`> only 1
[14:04] <knome> can i make a Minimal USB stick?
[14:04] <vidd> the controler...is it so that your system can have more then 4 ide devices?
[14:04] <Snyper`> yes basicly
[14:04] <vidd> knome, sure you can
[14:05] <Snyper`> but mostly so that you can use udma66
[14:05] <knome> vidd, how will that work?
[14:05] <Snyper`> or ATA66 i should say
[14:05] <knome> vidd, i doubt the minimal image has usb-creator?
[14:06] <Snyper`> if this helps...
[14:06] <Snyper`> "The motherboard also featured the two extra HDD ports on Highpoint Tech. HPT366 Ultra DMA/66 adapter fitted on the mainboard itself."
[14:06] <vidd> Snyper`, so what you need to do is put your /boot directory on a "real" IDE drive, so that your system will be able to launch the controler
[14:06] <Snyper`> vidd it boots fine and sees the HDD fine
[14:07] <Snyper`> it just gets stuck after loading a kernal module
[14:07] <Snyper`> install is at 90% and after that ill give you a boot log
[14:07] <vidd> Snyper`, if it was booting fine, your system would be up
[14:07] <Snyper`> yes
[14:08] <Snyper`> but what im saying it sees /boot just fine
[14:08] <vidd> so its not booting fine
[14:08] <Snyper`> as it does load the kernal
[14:09] <vidd> the kernel is launching the updated controler and during the "hic-up" your system crashes
[14:09] <Snyper`> seems like it
[14:09] <vidd> so if you get the base off that drive, the new controler drivers can load properly, and your system wont crash
[14:11] <vidd> knome, is this what your looking for? http://www.pendrivelinux.com/2008/11/06/usb-xubuntu-810-install-via-the-usb-creator/
[14:12] <knome> vidd, not really. i want to have the *minimal cd* on an usb stick
[14:12] <knome> ah oh
[14:12] <knome> you can select the iso
[14:12] <vidd> so it IS what you were looking for?
[14:12] <knome> yeah..
[14:13] <vidd> that will be 136.50...plus tax =]
[14:14] <knome> USD?
[14:14] <vidd> heh euro
[14:15] <vidd> the USD isnt what it used to be!
[14:15] <vidd> =]
[14:15] <knome> lol ok
[14:15] <knome> you can send the invoice to open@mynick.fi
[14:15] <knome> ;)
[14:16] <PookAir> Wanted to know how to install another language on xubuntu.?
[14:18] <vidd> PookAir, you want the installer in a different language, or set your already installed system to use a different language?
[14:19] <PookAir> i installed it on english i want to add another language.
[14:20] <vidd> PookAir, im looking....please be patient
[14:21] <Snyper`> well
[14:22] <Snyper`> cause i didnt want to take the time on redoing my partitions.. i just clicked the use the whole disk
[14:22] <Snyper`> and it booted fine
[14:22]  * vidd is shocked beyond belief!
[14:23] <Snyper`> sarcasm ?
[14:23] <vidd> yes
[14:23] <knome> vidd, one more further question...
[14:23] <Snyper`> well there is no way in hell im using the disk like that
[14:23] <vidd> knome, yes?
[14:23] <vidd> Snyper`, =]
[14:24] <knome> vidd, (this is a stupid one:) can the usb-creator install into one partition, and not the complete disk?
[14:24] <vidd> Snyper`, make the partitions larger then needed
[14:24] <Snyper`> makes no sense to me why i cant have custom partitions
[14:24] <vidd> knome, ive never tried
[14:24] <knome> vidd, k
[14:25] <vidd> knome, i found the guide just after you asked your question =]
[14:25] <vidd> knome, you know how to change the system language?
[14:25] <knome> will try with a surplus usb disk
[14:25] <vidd> knome, PookAir wants to know and i cant find a guide
[14:25] <knome> vidd, a sec
[14:26] <knome> PookAir, System -> Langugage Support
[14:26] <knome> you can select which lanugages to install and which is the default lang
[14:26]  * vidd feels stupid now =\
[14:27] <Snyper`> ./boot 300mb (ext3 primary), swap 2gb (logical), /opt 15gb (ext3 logical), / 10gb (ext3 logical), /home 5gb (ext3 logical), /data ~80gb (ext3 logical)
[14:27] <PookAir> knome, then i just install... and how do i change the writing language
[14:27] <Snyper`> is how i had it
[14:27] <Snyper`> before this i only had a 50mb boot which screwed me
[14:27] <vidd> Snyper`, double the boot....
[14:28] <knome> PookAir, i suppose you have to look at Settings Manager/Keyboard for the layout :) the default is to use x configuration, which is kind of safe...
[14:28] <Snyper`> 600mb boot will help how
[14:28] <knome> PookAir, just look at the "Layouts" tab
[14:28] <vidd> Snyper`, but i dont understand why you dont just have /, /home, and /data
[14:29] <knome> vidd, is ext3 ok for the usb-creator? or should it be fat?
[14:29] <Snyper`> so that i can wipe / with out messing with /boot
[14:29] <PookAir> knome, thanks alot
[14:29] <knome> PookAir, you're welcome
[14:29] <vidd> knome, id do fat for universal read
[14:30] <vidd> knome, better safe then sorry =]
[14:30] <knome> vidd, k
[14:30] <vidd> Snyper`, why would you want to wipe /?
[14:31] <Snyper`> new os, just cause
[14:32] <Snyper`> either way there should be no reason i cant have 20 partitions
[14:32] <vidd> Snyper`, if your installing a new os, your going to want /boot to change too....but what ever floats your boat =]
[14:33] <Snyper`> im just saying its how i had it before
[14:33] <vidd> Snyper`, im just conserned that the issue was that during an upgrade, the partition order got renamed
[14:34] <vidd> so that during boot, the system was looking for / wher /data was...or something similar
[14:34] <Snyper`> right now its working with a 120gb /
[14:34] <vidd> so go ahead and re-do it with your custom partitions....
[14:34] <Snyper`> well i tried everything far as doing root=/dev/hdaX
[14:35] <vidd> if the issue happens again, you will want to check the partition tabl;es
[14:36] <vidd> but if your partitions got re-identified , then root/=hdaX....root=/dev/hdaY
[14:36] <vidd> this is why i had asked if you had added a drive
[14:36] <knome> vidd, usb-creator can't use the mini.iso...
[14:36] <vidd> knome, that is so wrong!
[14:37] <vidd> knome, what happened?
[14:37] <knome> vidd, Message "This is not a desktop install CD and thus cannot be used by this application."
[14:37] <vidd> ah..ic...
[14:38] <knome> i suppose i have to file a bug
[14:38] <knome> ;P
[14:38] <bn43> hi I have a user with a P4 and 256 ram
[14:38] <vidd> the guide is to make a live cd out of a usb drive...with persistant data
[14:38] <vidd> bn43, ok
[14:38] <bn43> I've been told the xubuntu will run fast on this!
[14:38] <knome> vidd, what about this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick (Manual Approach) ?
[14:39] <vidd> bn43, compared to ubuntu with gnome, or KDE...it will
[14:39] <knome> bn43, that little ram is always kind of slow.
[14:39] <bn43> he is a winxp and office2007 user but just uses he lappy for internet, reading email and opening documents
[14:39] <bn43> yeah I need it to be super fast in order to 'sell' the idea
[14:39] <vidd> bn43, consider installing cli-only and then sudo apt-get install lxde
[14:40] <vidd> its a little lighter then xfce desktop
[14:40] <bn43> lxde??
[14:40] <vidd> yes
[14:40] <bn43> never heard of it - website?
[14:40] <vidd> lxde.org
[14:40] <bn43> so I install off the alternate cd right?
[14:40] <vidd> its in the repos too
[14:40] <vidd> yes
[14:41] <bn43> ah - cool! thanks
[14:42] <bn43> I'm thinking of running openoffice 3 as he does receive lots of office documents - excel, word and powerpoint
[14:42] <bn43> firefox for browser and thunderbird with outlook skin for mail client
[14:42] <bn43> any alternate suggestions?
[14:44] <vidd> bn43, abiword for documents, gnumetric for spreadsheets,
[14:44] <vidd> will he be editing power points?
[14:44] <bn43> no
[14:45] <bn43> abiword and gnumetric interpret as good as openoffice?
[14:45] <vidd> ppthtml to convert PPT files to be read by web browser
[14:46] <vidd> as well as can be expected....
[14:47] <vidd> they may not be perfect...but i would spend the extra coin to double (or more) the ram
[14:47] <vidd> 256 ram is slow no matter what OS your running
[14:47] <bn43> cool
[14:48] <vidd> and firefox, thunderbird, and OOo are heavyweights
[14:48] <bn43> but this is an opportunity for me to introduce him to linux
[14:48] <bn43> what alternatives for browser and mail?
[14:48] <vidd> I have suggestions for web browser alternatives...but the plug-ins are not handled as well as FF
[14:49] <vidd> so i would defer that discussion to others with more experience
[14:49]  * vidd uses webmail whenever possible
[14:49] <bn43> um he does like watchin vids of youtube and bbc
[14:50] <vidd> and NBC and FOX have windows-only media players
[14:51] <bn43> well I'll try a couple things
[14:51] <bn43> won't hurt
[14:52] <bn43> thanks for the suggestions
[14:53] <vidd> knome, is that guide helping any?
[15:13] <Snyper`> partitioned.... installing... let see how this does
[15:14] <vidd> Snyper`, i wish you luck
[15:14] <Snyper`> lease we now know its a labling issue
[15:15] <Snyper`> thought the whole UUID deal was to fix that kind of stuff
[15:17] <vidd> dont feel too bad....my wubi install failed the upgrade test
[15:17] <Newk> as did mine..
[15:17] <vidd> i have to select the original kernel to get it to boot
[15:17] <Snyper`> 27 wouldnt work on my system
[15:18] <vidd> wubi or period?
[15:18] <Snyper`> didnt have enough space to get back the old kernal which is why i had to format after gparted didnt resize my drive right
[15:19] <vidd> and this is why i suggest you double your /boot drive =]
[15:19] <Snyper`> have never used wubi
[15:19] <Snyper`> boot is now 300mb
[15:19] <Snyper`> which is more than enough
[15:20] <vidd> ....for now....
[15:20] <Snyper`> 50 only held 2 kernals but you could not modify one
[15:20] <Snyper`> for me that is
[15:21] <Snyper`> yea for now :/
[15:22] <vidd> Newk, what type of system?
[15:23] <Ben_Cs> hello
[15:24] <vidd> hello Ben_Cs
[15:24] <Ben_Cs> I went back to hardy. Intrepid has too much bugs, especially with fusesmb
[15:24] <vinnl> Ben_Cs, have you reported them? ;-)
[15:25] <Ben_Cs> yes, and they were reported before me aswell
[15:25] <Ben_Cs> oh, gotta go. bbl
[15:25] <vinnl> Good :)
[15:25] <Ben_Cs> bye
[15:25] <vinnl> Bye
[15:41] <Newk> i was on ubuntu 8.04 using wubi, tryed to upgrade ...nvidia decided to not support me .... so i decided jus get all my important stuff and start again wit Xubunt
[15:42] <vidd> Newk, i think my issue is that there are special "switches" that need setting for ther kernel to boot correctly, and they didnt translate in the kernel upgrade
[15:43] <Newk> Wel, would you believe it i now hav three options at boot, and once they are both the same one called ubuntu one called xubuntu wen i get into grub i can choose between the two,,, bu xubuntu is jus so much quicker...
[15:44] <Newk> plus my windows wobble:D
[15:44] <vidd> Newk, hehe
[15:44] <cllaudyu> Nwek what r u saying?
[15:44] <cllaudyu> :))
[15:45] <vidd> you have 2 options for linux cuzz windows cant tell they are two versions of the same thing (windows is stupid)....
[15:45] <cllaudyu> you can install thre operating systems?
[15:45] <Newk> i hav a triple-boot using wubi
[15:45] <Newk> accidently:D
[15:45] <vidd> each choice gives you 2 choices in grub because linux is NOT stupid
[15:46] <cllaudyu> xubuntu isn't allready in xfce session on ubuntu
[15:47] <cllaudyu> why should you need it separatly?
[15:47] <vidd> cllaudyu, no...he installed two instances of wubi in windows
[15:47] <Newk> technically ill let it go in a while i jus hav some stuff on it i havent copyied across yet..
[15:47] <cllaudyu> oo
[15:48] <Newk> sori :D mayb that wasnt clear
[15:48] <vidd> but linux sees the other wubi install, so grub offers it as a choice
[15:48] <cllaudyu> but that cann't be uninstall in windows??
[15:48] <vidd> yes...it can be uninstalled in windows
[15:48] <cllaudyu> hmmm
[15:49] <Newk> wel see this is the wierd thing ok??? rite the ubuntu install boots up with none othere than a xubuntu boot screen
[15:49] <vidd> the ability for linux to see linux1, linux2, and windows cannot be controlled from windows =]
[15:49] <cllaudyu> wubi pops-up to uninstall it the first fing windows is runnig
[15:49] <vidd> Newk, that is because grub was not updated after the second wubi install
[15:49] <cllaudyu> am i wrong?
[15:50] <Newk> awri, thanks wel i dnt mind really .... its jus all quite interesting as it all happened pretty much by accident
[15:50] <vidd> Newk, if you run the grub-update program, it would find xubuntu as well
[15:50] <cllaudyu> )
[15:51] <vidd> welll....break time for me...be back in 10-15 minutes
[15:51] <Newk> ah yeah ... well like as it is it finds both... so im sorted tbh
[15:51] <cllaudyu> weird thing
[15:52] <cllaudyu> Newk don't you hav problems with memory?
[15:52] <Newk> em nopes....
[16:04] <Snyper`> im stumped now
[16:05] <Snyper`> say partition layout ive tried ~20 times with no luck now work
[16:05] <vidd> heh
[16:05] <vidd> maybe a kernel upgrade fixed the issue?
[16:06] <Snyper`> never upgraded
[16:06] <vidd> or your system is correctly identifying which partition is where
[16:06] <Snyper`> my only guess is it was the partitioner screwing up
[16:07] <vidd> well....when you install, doesnt the installer get the latest version of the kernel?
[16:07] <Snyper`> no
[16:08] <vidd> meh...maybe the electromagnet in the wall behind your tower stopped working =]
[16:08] <Snyper`> actually im sure its cause im here asking
[16:09] <vidd> hehe...the "technicial avaiable" issue?
[16:09] <Snyper`> typical when you finally break down and ask for help it will start working just to piss you off even more
[16:09]  * TheSheep confirms the phenomenon
[16:09] <vinnl> xD
[16:09]  * vidd sees it every day @ work
[16:09] <vinnl> How recognisable
[16:11] <vidd> at least it wasnt the ID-10-T error =]
[16:20]  * TheSheep remembers the 'Dolt' button
[16:20] <vidd> never heard of that
[16:27] <TheSheep> vidd: some apps had a 'Do It' button, but with a very crappy font ;)
[16:27] <vidd> hehe
[16:27] <TheSheep> vidd: it was a confirmation dialog
[16:28] <TheSheep> 'Are you sure you want to delete this file, Dolt?'
[16:28] <TheSheep> alas I'm offtopic again :(
[16:29] <vidd> making sport of windows should never be considered offtopic
[16:29] <vidd> look at bug#1
[16:29] <vidd> =]
[16:29] <TheSheep> vidd: it was actually Atari ST
[16:29] <vidd> oh
[16:29] <vidd> that would explain why i never saw it
[16:35] <Newk> i no its xubuntu irc blah blah blah bu anyone hav a working thunderbird with hotmail?
[16:35] <vinnl> Isn't Thunderbird Xubuntu's default email client? ;-)
[16:35] <vinnl> Newk, but no, I don't think that's possible
[16:35] <vinnl> Unless you've done that in the past with other clients
[16:35] <vinnl> The problem would be that Hotmail doesn't do POP, IMAP or whatever
[16:36] <odla> how does xubuntu enable the hibernate and suspend functions at the xfce logout prompt?
[16:36] <Newk> i had it working with an extension bu suddenly im gettin negative vibes all of a sudden:D
[16:36] <odla> is it a patch
[16:36] <vidd> Newk, no M$ changed their back-end so that it will never work with anything but OE (not even windows mail will work with it)
[16:36] <vinnl> odla, yep
[16:36] <vinnl> odla, there's a new one for Xfce 4.6 so other distros can enjoy it as well
[16:37] <vinnl> Gotta go now, bye
[16:37] <odla> vinnl: great thanks
[16:37] <vidd> mewwhat extension?
[16:37] <vidd> Newk, what extension?
[16:38] <slow-motion> hi
[16:38] <Newk> webmail extension for a guy
[16:38] <vidd> hello slow-motion
[16:38] <slow-motion> hi vidd
[16:38] <vidd> Newk, where can one get this extension?
[16:39] <Newk> webmail thunderbird extension
[16:39] <Newk> em.. google thunderbird hotmail
[16:40] <slow-motion> xubuntu 8.10 looks nice
[16:41] <vidd> slow-motion, lxde on 8.10 looks better =]
[16:41] <floating> !upgrade
[16:43] <Newk> i think xubuntu 8.10 looks class, especially wit some massive icons and a nice big panel
[16:43] <Snyper`> i really really liked 8.10
[16:44] <Snyper`> just didnt work well for me
[16:44] <odla> one other question ... the multimedia keys patch ... has that been submitted for inclusion in 4.6?
[16:45] <vidd> odla, that is a question for the -devel chanel
[16:45] <odla> vidd: ok
[16:50] <slow-motion> what is lxde vidd
[16:50] <TheSheep> !info lxde
[16:52] <vidd> ty TheSheep
[16:52] <slow-motion> vidd is it still xfce or something different?
[16:52] <floating> how can i check for new updates ?
[16:53] <vidd> slow-motion, i prefer it over xfce because xfce is getting more and more bukly with all the unneeded apps
[16:53] <vidd> slow-motion, it is built on top of openbox by default
[16:54] <vidd> floating, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[16:55] <vidd> Newk, im not finding any hotmail extentions for thunderbird....if you locate it, can you post me a link?
[16:57] <floating> im going to do my first ever dist upgrade.. from 804 to 810, and im afraid that some of my settings will get overwritten, and i have forgot how to easily set them again
[16:57] <floating> been tuning this os to work nicely
[16:57] <vidd> floating, if you are going to upgrade, then you want to run update-manager -d
[16:58] <floating> is that a better option than that of https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IntrepidUpgrades
[16:58] <Newk> no problem vid ... giv us a few mins:D
[16:58]  * vidd hasnt looked at that page floating 
[16:59] <floating> i would prefer the websites way, unless you have a good reason to not to
[16:59] <floating> it has a gui tutorial for probably that same command
[16:59] <floating> through software sources
[17:00] <vidd> floating, running "update-manager -d" from terminal cuts out steps 1-4
[17:00] <floating> ok thx
[17:00] <vidd> and puts you to the step 5 location
[17:01] <vidd> floating, whoops....puts you to step 6...compacting steps 1-5   =]
[17:02] <vidd> floating, it is still recommended that you get your hardy all up-to-date first...."sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" does that
[17:03] <vidd> you will find that cli will do all kinds of things faster then the GUI method(s)
[17:12] <floating> first alarming thing
[17:13] <floating> it ask me which combo to use switcing between latin and other system... there were options like left ctrl+ shift and so on, but no option for the カタカナひらがなbutton that i have on my japanese keyboard. i think it was referring to switching between those layouts
[17:14] <floating> :(
[17:16] <Newk> viddhttp://lifehacker.com/software/hotmail/check-hotmail-using-thunderbird-34583.php
[17:23] <Newk> vidd: there u go
[17:23] <vidd> Newk, im working on it...thanks
[17:24] <Newk> good good... it doesnt work for me anyway... bu mayb my address is illergic or something
[17:25] <vidd> Newk, it says the plug-in isnt compatable with FF 3.0
[17:25] <Newk> vidd... its a plugin for thunderbird
[17:26] <vidd> so how do i make thunderbird insstall the plugin instead of FF?
[17:27] <vidd> nvmd...i think i got it
[17:28] <vidd> heh...respect my athoriti!
[17:28] <Newk> get it ??
[17:29] <stuff_happens> could someone please take a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/jockey/+bug/291271 and see if there is anything else that can be tried? Also how do I get a developer to look at the bug? Thanks
[17:29] <vidd> thunderbird is restarting
[17:31] <vidd> stuff_happens, what does lspci say your wifi card is?
[17:33] <stuff_happens> for some reason its not showing up on list, with  Hardy it was showing up as Broadcom 4311 Rev02
[17:34] <vidd> hrm....looks like the reason i dont have the issue is because i ripped jockey out of my system
[17:34] <Ben_Cs> hello
[17:35] <vidd> hello again Ben_Cs
[17:35] <stuff_happens> how can I manually install the STA driver that Ubuntu would otherwise install through Jockey?
[17:35] <Ben_Cs> If i didn't upgrade and stayed with xubuntu 8.04.1 LTS, what does it mean i keep getting updates? Do i get only security updates or i get updates of Apps/software?
[17:36] <vidd> stuff_happens, from what i understand, sata drivers are built into the kernel....just like the b43 driver
[17:36] <stuff_happens> What I don't understand why Jockey can detect the Broadcom card according to the log I posted, but lspci can't see it.
[17:36] <vidd> Ben_Cs, you get security updates, and possibly some software version updates
[17:37] <vidd> stuff_happens, dunno....could have something to do with the way jockey works
[17:38] <Ben_Cs> vidd: but not updated software like in 8.10?
[17:38]  * vidd had no driver issues b4 jockey, and none after it was surgically removed like the cancer it acted like
[17:38] <vidd> Ben_Cs, if the developers say"we need to add this to the backports" then you get the newer version....if they dont, you dont...just like any other release
[17:39] <Ben_Cs> vidd: ok. xfce 4.4.3 is out. can i upgrade to it?
[17:39] <Ben_Cs> i mean through repositories?
[17:39] <vidd> Ben_Cs, do you see it in synaptic?
[17:40] <stuff_happens> 2008-11-06 12:56:24,189 DEBUG: Broadcom STA wireless driver availability undetermined, adding to pool , is the line that I am assuming it detects the card since I have errors for all the Broadcom wireless drivers in the log file.
[17:40] <Ben_Cs> vidd: no but maybe there's a repo i can add there?
[17:40] <vidd> Ben_Cs, i dont see that version available in 8.10...so i doubt it
[17:40] <Ben_Cs> ok
[17:41] <Ben_Cs> i wont take the risc of installing the .run file. May be buggy
[17:41] <vidd> Ben_Cs, im sure there is a devel repo....
[17:41] <vidd> Ben_Cs, they are testing xfce4 version 4.6 in it
[17:41] <Ben_Cs> i see
[17:43] <vidd> stuff_happens, IDK what to tell you....i removed it because it added nothing but bloat to my system with no identifiable benifit
[17:44] <vidd> while im sure there is some kind of worth-while benifit, i didnt see it
[17:44] <vidd> and i got tired of the near-constant crash messages on boat
[17:44] <vidd> *boot
[17:48] <floating> this upgrade asks me if i want to replace some apache conf files
[17:48] <floating> how do i know if i should
[17:48] <floating> or mysql
[17:48] <Ben_Cs> BTW if someone here use fusesmb DON'T upgrade to 8.10
[17:48] <floating> i think i have edited manually those files but not sure
[17:48] <vidd> floating, did you modify apache or mysql config files?
[17:48] <floating> probably
[17:49] <vidd> floating, there is a "show change" option....check to see what is different....
[17:49] <floating> am i supposed to remember.. when installing those, the actual install required some manual configuration of some file
[17:49] <vidd> but it should be safe to "keep the old"
[17:49] <floating> the differences doesnt help much
[17:50] <vidd> floating, i was asking....AFTER you had it installed....did you go back and manually change the .conf files?
[17:50] <floating> no
[17:50] <floating> it was in the installation process, that i have to manually open the conf file and add few lines to it
[17:50] <vidd> then it is perfectly fine to get the new versions
[17:50] <floating> as in someone wrote a tutorial on some website how to manually conf
[17:51] <floating> but it was part of the install for some reason
[17:51] <floating> as in linux sometimes you manually have to do stuff
[17:51] <vidd> you may need to re-follow those instructions....or just keep your old conf files
[17:51] <floating> ok
[17:51] <vidd> when in doubt, back them up
[17:51] <floating> there are just interesting new lines coming
[17:52] <floating> some lines that feel like significant but i diont know
[17:53] <floating> i took back up and chose replace..,. will see
[17:53] <slow-motion> !kubuntu-restricted-extra
[17:54] <slow-motion> !info kubuntu-restricted-extra
[18:00] <kikr> hey
[18:00] <kikr> how can i make the task bar reappear?
[18:05] <knome> kikr_, task bar? you mean panel? alt+f2 -> xfce4-panel
[18:06] <knome> kikr_, if you mean *task bar*, "add new item" from the panels context menu
[18:16] <vidd> Newk, i found the answwer to the hotmail issue you are having
[18:17] <vidd> Newk, in the plugin settings, choose "WebDav"
[18:32] <buzz_> well.. kubuntu intrepid has made me ditch kde 4.x and try some other desktop-environments. from using xubuntu so far, i rather like it. fast and minimalist (but configurable)
[18:33] <knome> buzz_, we're happy you having enjoyed xubuntu
[18:33] <buzz_> well. things dont feel half finished like on kde4 :)
[18:33] <buzz_> and stuff just works.
[18:33] <buzz_> :)
[18:34] <buzz_> harder to replace my kde apps though. i used to use kontact (kmail + korganiser mostly). i was thinking orage will do the job of korganiser enough for me, but what for mail ?
[18:35] <knome> i suppose evolution is the default, iirc
[18:35] <TheSheep> thunarbird...
[18:35] <TheSheep> thunderbird
[18:35] <knome> ok... evolution in ubuntu?
[18:35] <TheSheep> yes
[18:35] <knome> k.
[18:35] <knome> i personally have to use thunderbird anyway
[18:35] <buzz_> thunderbird is quite ok actually. ive used that on a xp machine recently
[18:37] <buzz_> i might give evolution a try, although i feel it might be overkill for my needs
[18:37] <buzz_> any other notable calendar apps apart from orage ? (and the one with evolution)
[18:38] <knome> if evolution is overkill, thunderbird is the end of the world ;)
[18:39] <knome> i suppose you should try orage
[18:39] <buzz_> well. when i ran evolution before it was slow, but then again the hardware was probably a pentium 3;-)
[18:39] <TheSheep> buzz_: the pimlico apps are nice, if you like minimal
[18:39] <buzz_> TheSheep, will check thanks
[18:39] <TheSheep> it's called 'dates' I think
[18:40] <knome> wow
[18:40] <knome> i might like that as well
[18:40] <knome> thanks TheSheep
[18:40] <martinus> hi, just a simple question. I
[18:40] <knome> me too. :)
[18:40] <buzz_> and me
[18:41] <buzz_> :)
[18:41] <martinus> I've just installed latest xubuntu, and wondered how I get access to my win-network
[18:41] <TheSheep> !smb
[18:41] <martinus> sorry, hit the wrong button ;)
[18:41] <martinus> thanks :)
[18:41] <knome> martinus, eeepc, i suppose? ;))
[18:41] <TheSheep> martinus: also try pyneighbourhood and fusesmb
[18:41] <martinus> no, old hp/compaq
[18:42] <knome> TheSheep, how does dates/tasks work together?
[18:42] <buzz_> btw kde had some protocol layer things for transparency so you can access ftp like a normal filesystem (and samba shares etc). does xfce do this (doesnt really matter too much since i autofs4 mount network shares)
[18:42] <TheSheep> knome: I think they are separate apps
[18:42] <knome> buzz_, there's always fuse
[18:42] <TheSheep> buzz_: no mad thunar will never do that, but you can get similar effects with fuse
[18:42] <buzz_> gnome had some filesystem layer stuff i think
[18:43] <knome> i prefer fuse over any other layering stuff ;)
[18:43] <buzz_> ive not tried gnome for about 6 years .. i went windowmaker to kde. so im out of touch with other environments
[18:43] <timri> buzz_: Slightly OT: I Have just switched from KDE as well, and as imageviewer I like GQView a lot
[18:44] <buzz_> yes. me too.
[18:44] <knome> d'oh! tasks seem to depend on evolution-data-server
[18:44] <buzz_> has the right level of functionality
[18:45] <knome> i don't like GQView, because it doesn't show the images "fitted" when starting, but in 1:1
[18:45] <timri> knome: Yeah, but intrepid has a completely broken libsmbclient. If you want to use fusesmb or smbnetfs you have to downgrade libsmbclient to the Hardy version
[18:45] <buzz_> intrepid has a lot of broken stuff :/
[18:45] <knome> timri, i don't know about smb anyway - i only have linux machines
[18:46] <buzz_> but less so it seems when using gnome/xfce
[18:46] <timri> knome: Same here, but I prefer smb over nfs
[18:46] <timri> buzz_: Intrepid is pretty badly broken on my hardware too.
[18:46] <buzz_> at least the network-manager gui works on xfce/gnome. it is really broken on kde . well static ips dont work with it at all
[18:46] <knome> intrepid is still so new.
[18:47] <buzz_> kubunt intrepid wasnt release ready imho, and should have been delayed
[18:47] <knome> i wonder if i can disable wired network in the new network-manager at all
[18:47] <buzz_> the release feedback page says it all
[18:48] <knome> as for what i have understood, the devs did a big work to get it ready anyway
[18:48] <knome> so can't blame them
[18:48] <buzz_> well. the kubuntu had noone to fix some of the bugs with knetworkmanager so that was a main problem
[18:49] <buzz_> it was reported long before release
[18:49] <vidd> knome, i dont like that new nm at all....dont ou like wicd?
[18:49] <knome> vidd, i still prefer nm over wicd, as i said yesterday
[18:49] <buzz_> but the biggest problem imho are kde 4.1.x bugs for kubuntu. kde 4.1.x is not ready imho.
[18:49] <knome> even though this new version is way suckier than the previous one
[18:49] <vidd> hrm...i must have missed that statement
[18:49] <buzz_> xubuntu seems much better ;-)
[18:50] <knome> is there even any improvement comparing to the old one?
[18:50] <knome> (if being unbiased :P)
[18:50] <lyk3n> Does anyone have a problem with getting text mode on boot up
[18:50] <vidd> knome, i dispize this new nm
[18:50] <knome> despise?
[18:51] <vidd> lothe....
[18:51] <knome> wut?
[18:51] <vidd> hate squared to the 3rd power....
[18:51] <lyk3n> loath,a.
[18:51] <vidd> hey...i cant spell...sue me!
[18:51] <knome> :P
[18:51] <lyk3n> square,a
[18:52] <buzz_> loathe ?
[18:52] <buzz_> :)
[18:52] <vidd> hey....i spelled squared correctly
[18:52] <buzz_> spelt
[18:52] <buzz_> :)
[18:52] <lyk3n> ha
[18:52] <vidd> ggrrrrr
[18:52] <knome> "isn't that with one G?"
[18:52] <buzz_> ok.. spelling police be gone..
[18:53] <vidd> lyk3n, i have all the answers to your boot up issue....
[18:53] <lyk3n> you must be fun at a party
[18:53] <lyk3n> even better
[18:53] <vidd> but i dont know if your going to be able to read my instructions.....=]
[18:53] <lyk3n> I can manage
[18:53] <knome> i can try to translate
[18:54] <vidd> ok....what do you get as an error mesage?
[18:54] <vidd> where does it fail?
[18:54] <knome> at user? ;F
[18:54] <lyk3n> I was trying to install on an old pc 500mhz 256mb ram, I loaded it with the gui, then, I just say text mode fluxbox
[18:55] <vidd> Newk, did you get that hotmail thing working???? did you even notice my reply????
[18:55] <lyk3n> saw text mode,sorry
[18:55] <vidd> lyk3n, alt cd, live cd or mini.....and 8.04 or 8.10?
[18:55] <knome> vidd, alert! too many question marks !!
[18:56] <vidd> knome, i paid extra for them
[18:56] <vidd> (and what about those !!?
[18:56] <lyk3n> intrepid, the new and stable release, it was the first I saw
[18:56] <knome> vidd, dang, you got bullshitted
[18:56] <knome> vidd, 2<4 ;)
[18:56] <vidd> !language | knome
[18:57] <knome> lol, just go to a farm and you find the same stuff
[18:57] <vidd> lyk3n, so was it the alt cd or the live cd?
[18:57] <vidd> knome, offtopic is over ------>
[18:57] <lyk3n> PC (Intel x86) desktop CD,Xubuntu 8.10 (Intrepid Ibex) No it was the regular one
[18:58] <lyk3n> vidd: the live cd
[18:58]  * knome moves offtopic to left of #xubuntu just to tease vidd
[18:58] <vidd> lyk3n, you may want to use the alt cd or the mini cd
[18:58] <vidd> !mini
[18:58] <lyk3n> vidd, I guess the pc doesn't have enough juice for the live cd, but will it run after install
[18:59] <vidd> lyk3n, i prefer the mini over the others because the hardware requirements are easier to handle on these old relics
[18:59] <vidd> lyk3n, oh yes....easily
[18:59] <lyk3n> vidd: thanks, is there any command line I should know before I venture into this?
[19:00] <vidd> i recommend that you start with the cli-only install, because it sounds to me that you want fluxbox instead of xfce (or am i mistaken?)
[19:00] <vidd> lyk3n, all you need to know is sudo apt-get install [insert package name here]
[19:00] <lyk3n> vidd: it is a friend ancient and only computer. They don't know linux, so the easier the better.
[19:01] <vidd> for my wimpy system, i installed lxde instead of xubuntu, because (in my opinion) xubuntu is getting too hevy with useless apps
[19:01] <lyk3n> vidd, sounds good. Is it startx to get the gui working, or does it just work.
[19:02] <lyk3n> vidd: never heard of this. Can you sell me?
[19:02] <vidd> lyk3n, if you "sudo apt-get install lxde" you just reboot and the gui is up
[19:03] <vidd> lyk3n, sure i can sell you....maybe even get 3 shillings for ya
[19:03] <vidd> =]
[19:03] <lyk3n> vidd: nice!
[19:03] <knome> ha ha
[19:03] <knome> vidd, offtopic is over there -------------->
[19:03] <knome> ;)
[19:03] <vidd> (make fun of MY spelling will ya!)
[19:04] <knome> vidd, was your nick supposed to be "video" ?
[19:04] <vidd> knome, no
[19:04] <knome> vidd, "wide" ?
[19:04] <vidd> vidd=Virtual Industies development & Design
[19:05] <knome> what is an industy?
[19:05] <martinus> hum.. how do I open a samba share in xub? In dolphin there is a network tab, or the adress-bar, but I can't seem to find anything similar. Do I have to install anything else to get it up and running?
[19:05] <knome> is it something what is dusty?
[19:05] <vidd> *SLAP!!!!)
[19:05] <lyk3n> thanks for the help. I'll be gone, but might jump back in to read the madness
[19:06] <vidd> lyk3n, you have any issues, let me know
[19:06] <vidd> and use the mini
[19:06] <vidd> its only a 10MB file
[19:07] <vidd> btw knome did you ever get that mini install on usb to work?
[19:07] <knome> vidd, not yet at least
[19:09] <knome> i'll try to figure it out again soonish
[19:10] <vidd> lemme know when it works
[19:10] <lyk3n> quick question. I just remembered that 8.04 on ubuntu is supposed to be supported for at least 5 years. Is the intrepid going to be supported for a long time or...
[19:11] <vidd> lyk3n, 8.04 will be supported 3 years on the desktop (with a GUI) and 5 years on the server (CLI-only)
[19:11] <vidd> 8.10 will be supported for 18 months
[19:12] <vidd> and there is a new standard release (like 8.10) every 6 months, and a Long Term Support release (like 8.04) every 2 years
[19:12] <lyk3n> O, I didn't know that. So I should get the 8.04, or is this only on ubuntu and not the cousins like xubuntu
[19:12] <lyk3n> ok, downloading... your a great help
[19:13] <vidd> lyk3n, for a standard user (AKA not a buisness with hundreds or thousands of systems) id get the 8.10
[19:13] <knome> lyk3n, all the ubuntu releases including xubuntu
[19:13] <lyk3n> I thought so, but I wouldn't want to be wrong the hard way.
[19:14] <vidd> the LTS releases are more buisness oriented...becuase of the man-hours involded in upgrading every 6 months
[19:15] <lyk3n> vidd: I know but I could use all the help I can get. If they support it for a few years I'll be happy
[19:16] <mib_6w4l7p>  i'd like  rolling release :P
[19:17] <vidd> lyk3n, all that is needed to upgrade to the next version is clicking the "upgrade" button in update manager
[19:17] <lyk3n> downloading both, I'll virtual test them. 8.04 vs. 8.10, the first to crash is the loser
[19:17] <vidd> lyk3n, by that time 10.4 will be out
[19:17] <lyk3n> vidd: I've had friends that lost everything through that button, she scares me.
[19:18] <lyk3n> vidd: what happened to the 9's
[19:18] <knome> wow, that's a powerful button
[19:18]  * knome goes clicking
[19:18] <lyk3n> loll
[19:18] <vidd> lyk3n, then let me recommend the use of manually set partitions....
[19:20] <lyk3n> vidd: I'll give it a shot, I like to wait a few months for the user to report the bugs and have them fixed.Plus, I need another hard drive for backups,just in case.
[19:26] <lyk3n> have you heard of ubuntulite
[19:26] <vidd> lyk3n, yes
[19:27] <knome> lyk3n, i suppose that's not actually an official ubuntu?
[19:27] <knome> -?
[19:27] <lyk3n> is it any good. I saw it on the lxde site
[19:27] <vidd> but since lxde is already in the repos.....why bother
[19:28] <lyk3n> ok, just looking for lighter and stronger
[19:28] <vidd> lyk3n, they are in trouble for using ubuntu marks and copyright without permission....so i stayed away from them
[19:28] <lyk3n> O.
[19:28] <lyk3n> Is it true ubuntu is going to sell the media code now
[19:29] <lyk3n> no more free medibuntu
[19:29] <vidd> lyk3n, they are in the process of changing thier name as a result....they web site has been down for a bit
[19:29] <vidd> lyk3n, dunno...never heard that
[19:29] <lyk3n> ok. I'll keep distance
[19:29] <vidd> besides medibuntu is a seperate entity...not a "true" *buntu
[19:30] <vidd> or am I mistaken?
[19:35] <vidd> lyk3n, there is nothing posted on medibuntu's web site....
[19:36] <vidd> if canonical sells it, medibuntu will still make it available for free
[19:36] <roliver> hi, just a quick question, whenever I log in to xubuntu i have to enter the password for my keychain, is there any way to stop this happening so it is entered automatically?
[19:36] <vidd> roliver, yes....
[19:38] <roliver> is there any way to ensure that my keychain password is entered automatically when i logon
[19:38] <vidd> roliver, im looking for the how-to
[19:38] <roliver> ohhh, ok, thankyou
[19:39] <lyk3n> ubuntu will always be free, however, parts of it may become pay for. I found the article a few months ago, and I can't find it now.
[19:39] <vidd> roliver, http://ge.ubuntuforums.com/showthread.php?t=893309
[19:40] <roliver> thankyou very much
[19:40] <vidd> roliver, personally, i got rid of nm manager and installed wicd....gets rid of that too
[19:42] <vidd> wicd has to be downloaded as a deb....its not in the repo's (as of yet) http://wicd.sourceforge.net/
[19:42] <lyk3n> "ubuntu will always be free, however, parts of it may become pay for. I found the article a few months ago, and I can't find it now."
[19:42] <roliver> right ok, i'll bear that in mind, thanks for your help and advice.
[19:43] <lyk3n>  canonical is planning to sell proprietary codecs for ubuntu users since
[19:43] <lyk3n> > these are important for the user experience etc..
[19:55] <hhh2> i have installed pulse audio and is all ok but i can' hear system events sounds
[19:55] <hhh2> for example login sounds
[19:55] <vidd> hhh2, have you set a login sound?
[19:55] <hhh2> in login windows preferences > accessibility , i clic to play but no sound
[19:55] <hhh2> yes
[19:56] <vidd> which sound is it?
[19:56] <hhh2> a .wav
[19:56] <hhh2> installed previously
[19:56] <vidd> can you play that wave file thru totem?
[19:56] <hhh2> yes
[19:56] <hhh2> also in paplay
[19:57] <hhh2> and aplay -Dpulse /usr/share/sounds/19911__LS__beep.wav
[19:57] <hhh2> paplay is pulse audio player
[19:57] <vidd> have yo made sure all your settings in the volume app were maxed out?
[19:57] <hhh2> yes
[20:00] <vidd> hhh2, is ubuntu-sounds installed?
[20:00] <hhh2> i ha xubuntu
[20:00] <hhh2> have*
[20:01] <vidd> so....then "no"?
[20:01] <hhh2> no
[20:01] <vidd> try installing it
[20:01] <hhh2> ok but
[20:02] <vidd> all it does is make the sound events work
[20:02] <vidd> it has no dependencies
[20:04] <hhh2> but is not ubuntu
[20:04] <vidd> but of course its x-ubuntu
[20:05] <vidd> since there is no xubuntu-sounds, you have to use ubuntu-sounds
[20:06] <vidd> there is no kubuntu-sounds package either
[20:06] <vidd> ok...is it installed?
[20:07] <hhh2> yes
[20:07] <hhh2> doesn't work
[20:07] <vidd> sounds working now?
[20:07] <hhh2> no
[20:08] <vidd> ok...you can uninstall it (no harm done)
[20:09] <vidd> im out of ideas /=
[20:09] <hhh2> "as i know xfce dont supports event sound." from a forum
[20:09] <hhh2> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=853173
[20:10] <vidd> thats strange...because i have no issues with event sounds on my xubuntu system (with ubuntu-sounds installed)
[20:11] <hhh2> do u have pulse installed?
[20:11] <vidd> yes
[20:11] <hhh2> i must login and then pulse loads
[20:20] <Ben_Cs> guys what do you think of LXDE?
[20:20]  * vidd likes it
[20:23] <Ben_Cs> vidd: me too. just saw ubuntulite a.k.a u-lite => very nice distro. lxde's configs are as visible as xfce's
[20:23] <vidd> Ben_Cs, have you tried it?
[20:24]  * vidd justed installed lxde from the ubuntu repos
[20:24] <vidd> what WM do they use?
[20:24] <vidd> *DM
[20:25] <Ben_Cs> vidd: yeh, on virtualbox. the use openbox
[20:25] <vidd> not gdm?
[20:26]  * vidd will have to try that
[20:26] <vidd> post me a link to thier site?
[20:26] <Ben_Cs> vidd: don't like to have several Desktop Environments on one ubuntu. it makes specific programs of one to be visible on the other. makes a mess
[20:27] <Ben_Cs> http://ubuntulite.tuxfamily.org/
[20:27] <vidd> me either...just hate using gdm if i dont have to
[20:27] <Ben_Cs> :)
[20:31] <vidd> Ben_Cs, ill have to check them out
[20:40] <Newk> wat is this ubuntulite .... i am interested:D
[20:41] <Ben_Cs> Newk: a nice very lightweight ubuntu based distro
[20:48] <floating> i upgraded 8.04 to 8.10, and xfce is bugging i think
[20:48] <floating> if i mouseclick in an app, the panels gets unresponsive
[20:48] <floating> i cannot switch to another app with alt-tab or choose from panel
[20:49] <floating> until i right-click
[20:49] <floating> then they respond again, until i again make leftmouse click
[20:49] <vidd> floating, you still have the old kernel installed?
[20:49] <floating> i dont know
[20:50] <vidd> floating, hit [esc] during boot....
[20:50] <vidd> grub should show you all kernels available
[20:50] <floating> you mean the grub menu ?
[20:50] <vidd> If you have an older version, boot with that one....
[20:51] <vidd> this will tell you if its the kernel or the xfce
[20:51] <floating> i have a win xp entry, so the grub menu opens up every time
[20:51] <floating> what is the number of old and new kernel
[20:51] <floating> ill boot in a moment
[20:51] <vidd> smaller numbers are older then the larger numbers
[20:52] <floating> okay ->
[20:55] <Ben_Cs> floating: i has several bugs with 8.10 so i switched back to 8.04.1
[20:56] <floating> there was only ubuntu 8.04 linux kernel 2.6.xxx
[20:56] <floating> and same number recovery mode
[20:56] <floating> why not 8.10
[21:01] <floating> is it normal to not have 8.04 text changed to 8.10 in the grub menu ?
[21:01] <floating> and when there is only 1 kernel entries, shall i assume this is an xfce problem ?
[21:02] <vidd> well...if it did not install the new kernel during the update....id say THAT was your issue
[21:03] <toros> floating: have you changed the grub manually?
[21:03] <vidd> if you upgrade from 8.04 to 8.10, you will definantly get a newer kernel....
[21:04]  * vidd is VERY interested in knowing which kernel was listed in grub
[21:04] <floating> toros, i have changed grub manually before, but not during or after the 804 ->810 upgrade
[21:05] <toros> when you change the grub manually, and you don't do it the right way, then I think the upgrade won't add the new kernels
[21:05] <floating> do i have to re-boot to watch the kernel number, or i can verify it without a reboot
[21:05] <vidd> floating, did you remove any files with --purge after the upgrade was complete?
[21:05] <floating> no
[21:05] <floating> i used the gui to upgrade
[21:06] <floating> there was an option to remove unneeded files or some
[21:06] <vidd> then your issue is most likely related to this failed upgrade
[21:06] <floating> i removed over hundreds
[21:06] <floating> s/i/it
[21:06] <vidd> tell use which lernel is loaded
[21:07] <floating> ill go check google for the command, hold on
[21:07] <toros> so there is the part from "## ## End Default Options ##" to "### END DEBIAN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST"... when you modify this part, then the upgrade won't update the menu.lst
[21:07] <toros> but you can do this later with the command "sudo update-grub"
[21:07] <toros> this wil add every avaible kernels to the grub
[21:08]  * vidd would recomend doing so and re-booting to see if the issue clears itself
[21:08] <floating> ville@hi:~$ uname -r
[21:08] <floating> 2.6.24-16-generic
[21:09] <vidd> especially if you enabled encryption in the upgrade
[21:09] <vidd> thats the old kernel
[21:09] <floating> ill try
[21:09] <floating> but what if the grub update messes things up
[21:09] <floating> because before the default grub didnt detect things correctly
[21:09] <vidd> your system is ALREADY borked
[21:09] <floating> i needed live cd's and what not
[21:10] <toros> floating: then backup your menu.lst
[21:10] <toros> sudo cp /boot/grub/menu.lst /boot/grub/menu.lst.backup
[21:10] <toros> and in worst case, you can recover it with a Live CD
[21:11] <floating> booting ->
[21:15] <floating> fail. same old 8.04 with old kernel entries only
[21:16] <floating> eventhough when i ran sudo update-grub ,it found the new and the old kernel
[21:17] <toros> hmmm, thats weird...
[21:19] <floating> http://pastebin.ca/1249797
[21:19] <floating> theres the update-grub and my menu.lst
[21:20] <hhh2> pulse audio is really disgusting now i have uninstalled it and my xubuntu event sounds are back to normal
[21:21] <jimbo> hi guys, I have a hp zv5000 with xubuntu hardy. sound isnt going through headphones when i plug them in. any ideas?
[21:22] <floating> toros: as you see there is no entry added about new kernel, only perhaps some new commented text
[21:23] <Newk> jimbo:headphones never worked wit hardy for me... if u turn down
[21:23] <Newk> the main sound and listen on headphones it should be ok
[21:23] <jimbo> Newk:  also having trouble with sound buttons working
[21:24] <floating> can i add the kernel there manually ?
[21:24] <TheSheep> jimbo: try different sliders, I had headphones on a surround slider once
[21:25] <jimbo> Newk: when i plug the headphones in as well it doesnt reroute to them it still plays by onboard speakers
[21:26] <Newk> jimbo:if u turn down the main speakers does sound come thru headphones
[21:27] <jimbo> Newk:  my keys to change volume are borked so i cant adjust that either
[21:27] <Newk> jimbo: is this a new install of xubuntu?
[21:28] <toros> floating: yes, you can... but I still don't know, what could be the problem... :)
[21:28] <toros> It looks like everything is Ok
[21:28] <floating> im asking in #kernel but so far no answers
[21:28] <jimbo> Newk:  its pretty new. those things have never worked correctly soim trying to iron these issues out
[21:29] <floating> i wonder if i should register to a ubuntu forum and ask there, or do some manual install ? at least i couldn do it, since there is some long number/letter sequence written, which i dont know anything about
[21:33] <floating> how can i downgrade to 8.04 ?
[21:34] <Newk> jimbo: new enuf that u cud start again wit 8.10
[21:34] <Newk> ??
[21:34] <homebrewcider> according to system>hardware drivers, my nvidia drivers are activated but not "in use". How do I get them in use please?
[21:38] <floating> toros: actually during the xubuntu 810 upgrade, it asked me 5 to 10 times if i want to keep the local menu.lst
[21:38] <floating> the default option was to keep the local menu.lst, and i chose it
[21:40] <toros> floating: yes, I think that was the problem... but sudo update-grub should fix the problem
[21:40] <toros> or maybe you can try reinstall the kernel with synaptic
[21:41] <floating> but isnt manually updating grub to just load it better option ?
[21:42] <floating> hmm i try reinstall it ~)
[21:42] <toros> floating: yes, you can update the grub manually, but when you get upgdates later, then again it won't add it to the grub
[21:42] <floating> ah ok
[21:44] <floating> a lot of matches searchin kernel with synaptic
[21:44] <floating> even those that says that 27
[21:44] <floating> linux-kernel-headers 27 ?
[21:45] <toros> search for the string 2.6.27
[21:46] <toros> and mark the package linux-image-2.6.27-7-generic for reinstall
[21:46] <toros> and maybe it will update the grub also
[21:46] <toros> let's hope for the best :)
[21:47] <vidd> floating, toros i think this is the same issue i had with my home server....
[21:47] <vidd> when I get home, i will have to look into it
[21:47] <toros> vidd: okay, thanks
[21:48] <vidd> toros, if it is...its not good news....
[21:48] <vidd> im fixing to back up the data and wipe the drive
[21:48] <toros> vidd: what was there the problem?
[21:48] <vidd> yeah....upgrad died twice
[21:49] <vidd> and trying to reinstall the 2.6.27-7 kernel wanted lilo installed
[21:50] <vidd> and if that dont mean serious disaster, nothing does
[21:53] <floating> installing that did not add the entry in the grub either
[21:53] <floating> reinstalling
[21:54] <vidd> floating, this would indicate your grub is borked
[21:55] <vidd> floating, try this:
[21:56] <vidd> sudo apt-get remove --purge  linux-image-2.6.27-7-generic  linux-image-2.6.27-7 && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[21:57] <jimbo> I am trying to view pictures, how do i change my default viewer from gimp to something else
[21:57] <vidd> this will remove the normal and the -generic kernel images, along with config files (hopefully fixing grub) and then automatically updating to the new kernel
[21:58] <vidd> jimbo, do you have something installed to view pics?
[21:58] <Newk> jimbo: settings-> preferred applications
[21:58] <Newk> hold on that
[21:58] <Newk> wont
[21:58] <Newk> do it
[21:58] <Newk> sori
[21:58] <jimbo> yes ristretto
[21:59] <floating> i tried to remove entries to that 8.04 and do grub update but it didnt add 8.04 either
[21:59] <floating> buut.. maybe i try this suggestion ^^
[21:59] <vidd> jimbo, right click on the desired image, choose "open with another application" (or something similar) place the check in the box "always use this application (again...or something similar" and click the desired app
[22:00] <vidd> floating, manually editing grub is a BAD thing
[22:00] <floating> vidd: is that a one command btw ? there are 2 spaces in a row
[22:01] <vidd> yes....one command
[22:01] <floating> sudo apt-get remove --purge  linux-image-2.6.27-7-generic   linux-image-2.6.27-7 && sudo apt-get update && sudo  apt-get dist-upgrade
[22:01] <floating> sudo apt-get remove --purge linux-image-2.6.27-7-generic linux-image-2.6.27-7 && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[22:01] <vidd> two spaces, one space, 30 spaces.....cli reads it all the same
[22:01] <floating> oh ok :)
[22:04] <jimbo> thanks vidd
[22:05] <vidd> floating, im half-tempted to tell you to --purge and reinstall grub....but that is very risky to an already flacky system
[22:05] <floating> ville@hi:/boot/grub$ sudo apt-get remove --purge linux-image-2.6.27-7-generic linux-image-2.6.27-7 && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[22:05] <floating> Reading package lists... Done
[22:05] <vidd> heh...its risky to a stable system
[22:05] <floating> Building dependency tree
[22:05] <floating> Reading state information... Done
[22:05] <floating> E: Couldn't find package linux-image-2.6.27-7
[22:05] <floating> are you saying that i might have to reinstall the whole system ?
[22:05] <vidd> floating, that means that it is missing...and why your grub is not being updated correctly....
[22:06] <knome> is there a way to disable wired network in the new network-manager? please no whining about wicd/nm
[22:06] <vidd> knome, no there isnt (which is why it socks!)
[22:06] <TheSheep> knome: right-click and uncheck 'enable wireless'?
[22:06] <knome> TheSheep, *wired* :)
[22:06] <TheSheep> or wired
[22:06] <coldhak> TheSheep, he said wired.
[22:06] <TheSheep> ah
[22:06] <Jabone_> wired is the default and without wired you cannot enable wireless
[22:07] <Jabone_> at least with nm-applet I think
[22:07] <vidd> *in nm*
[22:07] <TheSheep> knome: pull the cable? ;)
[22:07] <knome> TheSheep, :P
[22:07] <vidd> wicd lests you do this mundane task
[22:07] <floating> vidd, any idea how it can be missed ?
[22:07] <knome> i don't really need wireless usually, but as my isp has been jumping around today, i've had to use my neighbours wireless *cough*
[22:07] <vidd> floating, no, you should not have to....
[22:08] <vidd> just leave it out of the --purge command
[22:08] <vidd> floating, it was missed because your uprade failed in some way, shape or form
[22:09] <vidd> floating, sudo apt-get remove --purge  linux-image-2.6.27-7-generic && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[22:10] <floating> ok vidd run that command
[22:10] <floating> after a while, it pops up witha question
[22:10] <floating> menu.lst has been locally modified
[22:10] <vidd> and??
[22:10] <floating> do u want to keep it or 5 other options
[22:11] <floating> install package maintainer version
[22:11] <floating> show the differences
[22:11] <floating> start a new shell to examine
[22:11] <vidd> get the mantainers version
[22:11] <floating> do a merge(experimental)
[22:11] <floating> oki
[22:11] <floating> last time i kept the local
[22:11] <vidd> cuzz yours is screwed 6 ways to next sunday =]
[22:12] <floating> ok, something failed, but i failed to read since new text came in
[22:12] <vidd> was this on the install or the remove?
[22:13] <floating> rmdir: failed to remove `/lib/modules/2.6.27-7-generic': Directory not empty
[22:13] <floating> later... but the install is now done
[22:13] <floating> should i try reboot ?
[22:14] <vidd> floating, that "rmdir...." is fine....
[22:14] <vidd> did it claim to have installed everything and asked you to reboot?
[22:15] <floating> it didnt ask me to reboot
[22:15] <floating> i saved the log in case http://pastebin.ca/1249850
[22:16] <owen1> I want to connect external monitor to my laptop. how to send 'video out' command using the terminal?
[22:16] <vidd> if the install completed....reboot, cross fingers, pray, etc
[22:18] <vidd> floating, any luck?
[22:18] <floating> no
[22:19] <floating> im on win xp now
[22:19] <floating> error 17 , cannot mount the selected partition
[22:19] <vidd> floating, did you install via wubi?
[22:19] <floating> the text in grub had changed to ubuntu 8.10 kernel 2.6.24 though
[22:19] <floating> old kernel version but 8.10 instead of 8.04
[22:19] <floating> wubi ?
[22:20] <floating> i think not... donno what it is :I
[22:20] <vidd> floating, when you originally installed....did you put the live cd in while XP was open, enter a username and password and click install?
[22:21] <floating> no, from reboot
[22:21] <floating> or perhaps booted live cd and chose install to hard drive
[22:21] <vidd> im thinking that your install is borked beyond my ability to repair
[22:22] <vidd> and i have to go home now
[22:22] <floating> i have edited the grub few times because there were some problems before
[22:22] <vidd> floating, this is about the time that I back up my data files format and re-install
[22:22] <vidd> =]
[22:22] <floating> failed to write in the grub or something
[22:23] <vidd> i will try to be back on in about an hour
[22:23] <floating> there was this grub> command line
[22:23] <floating> oh ok. i might continue with this tomorrow.. its getting late here
[22:23] <floating> thanks for the help so far
[22:24] <floating> too bad, that i just cant do the reinstall... i dont have time to tweak this system to the point it is now
[22:25] <jimbo> so i my HP zv5000 is freshly converted to xubuntu and my external volume controls do not currently work, any ideas
[22:27] <floating> this will leave me a worst possible feeling of linux distros functionality n reliability when it comes to distro upgrade
[22:29] <knome> floating, upgrade is always kinky.
[22:29] <knome> that's why we offer long term support releases
[22:32] <floating> yeah, my only reason to go for 8.10 was even a bad one
[22:32] <floating> i thought that i do the upgrade since it seemed so painless
[22:32] <knome> :))
[22:32] <floating> just before i go for installing vpn client
[22:33] <floating> rather than after it.. but, guess im using win xp until i have much spare time again
[22:33] <knome> you know, that's *LEIF*
[22:47] <RandyboY> Where do i find the option to alter the way the powerbutton works? If i want the button to do nothing or actually shut down...
[22:47] <jimbo> how do i add my music library to rhythmbox?
[22:57] <Smith> I can listen to mp3s in Listen but i am trying to use Grip for ripping them from CD.  When i try to rip, it tells me that the encoder is not valid... Any suggestions?
[22:58] <knome> Smith, try to add /usr/bin/ in the beginning of the encoder path
[22:58] <knome> Smith, eg. /usr/bin/lame
[22:58] <Smith> ok will try
[22:59] <vinnl> jimbo, I think Rhythmbox should speak for itself, it's probably in the menu or Edit->Preferences
[23:00] <Smith> i get "invalid encoder executable"
[23:00] <knome> Smith, do you have lame installed?
[23:00] <Smith> i thought i did...
[23:00] <knome> Smith, (or the encoder your trying to use)
[23:00] <knome> Smith, can you double-check?
[23:00] <Smith> i am trying to use lame since my library is all mp3
[23:01] <Smith> how do i check that, sorry but im still new to all this....
[23:01] <knome> Smith, sudo apt-get install lame
[23:01] <knome> Smith, @terminal; what's the output?
[23:02] <Smith> its downloading it...
[23:02] <mib> anyone tell me why my thunar file icons still look like this: http://xs433.xs.to/xs433/08450/2008-11-09-225810_1024x768_scrot760.png
[23:02] <mib> 	i have xfce4-icon-theme installed
[23:02] <Smith> knome, after install do i need to restart Grip?
[23:03] <knome> Smith, i'm not sure. you can try
[23:03] <Smith> sweet it works without restart.  Thanks!
[23:03] <knome> mib, Settings -> Settings Manager -> User Interface -> Tab "Icon Theme"
[23:04] <knome> mib, select a wanted icon theme there
[23:04] <knome> mib, tell me if it doesn't work
[23:04] <knome> Smith, np. have fun ripping
[23:05] <mib> .gtkrc-2.0 already has:
[23:05] <mib> http://www.mibbit.com/pb/4UJkrT
[23:05] <knome> mib, can you check if settings manager gives the same info?
[23:05] <mib> knome: i dont have it installed (ubuntu minimal)
[23:06] <knome> a-ha ok...
[23:06] <mib> folders have icons
[23:06] <mib> but some files dont
[23:06] <knome> the .name -ones or others also?
[23:08] <knome> mib, ^ ?
[23:08] <mib> actually, looking at it, it's just the ones without ".xxx" that dont
[23:08] <mib> is that to be expected?
[23:09] <knome> that don't what?
[23:09] <mib> have icons
[23:10] <Smith> i guess the speed of the encoding is determined by the overall speed of the machine... correct??
[23:10] <knome> Smith, cpu
[23:11] <Smith> ah that would make sense.  its an old dell but its running smooth but a little slow on the cpu side
[23:11] <knome> mib, have you logged out/in ?:P
[23:11] <knome> mib, i don't know if that needs a total X restart
[23:13] <mib2> nope, still the same :(
[23:14] <knome> mib2, so you did a complete X reboot?
[23:14] <mib2> knome: indeed
[23:14] <knome> k...
[23:14] <knome> can you check if the files are at /usr/share/icons/Rodent ?
[23:15] <mib2> knome: yep, all there
[23:16] <knome> mib2, i have done this only once and it worked for me...
[23:18] <mib2> knome: yeh same, not sure why its happening
[23:18] <knome> mib2, i suppose you could go and ask #ubuntu
[23:24] <SpiffyBalak> hey guys...I have two problems
[23:24] <SpiffyBalak> 1. File open/save dialogs load very slowly
[23:25] <SpiffyBalak> and 2. when I open up Thunar (just Thunar), my CPU gets eaten up by two ntfs-3g processes, but the heavy usage stops when I pkill gam_server
[23:25] <knome> are you using ntfs filesystems?
[23:25] <SpiffyBalak> yes
[23:25] <knome> SpiffyBalak, that might explain a lot
[23:25] <SpiffyBalak> it wasn't eating up my CPU in Hardy
[23:25] <knome> i suppose ntfs is not very fast in xubuntu anyway
[23:26] <SpiffyBalak> both problems started with the upgrade
[23:26] <SpiffyBalak> but how could I (if it's a good idea) stop gam_server from running on startup?
[23:29] <TheSheep> SpiffyBalak: gam_server monitos your files and tells Thunar when to reread a directory or regenerate a thumbnail
[23:30] <TheSheep> *monitors
[23:30] <SpiffyBalak> yep, I have to refresh to get stuff like that
[23:30] <TheSheep> why do you want that?
[23:30] <SpiffyBalak> I don't
[23:30] <SpiffyBalak> not at the cost to my cpu
[23:31] <SpiffyBalak> I'm thinking about installing python-gamin, because sometimes Python eats the CPU
[23:31]  * TheSheep blinks
[23:31] <TheSheep> SpiffyBalak: I think you are confused
[23:32] <SpiffyBalak> I am
[23:32] <SpiffyBalak> how would you stop gam_server from running at startup?
[23:32] <TheSheep> SpiffyBalak: python-gamin is a python library with bindings to gaM_server, if some application uses it, it will have it in the dependencies anyways
[23:33] <TheSheep> SpiffyBalak: you can edit your .config/xfce4-session
[23:33] <SpiffyBalak> thank you
[23:34] <TheSheep> the defsults are in /etc/xdg/xfce4-session/
[23:35] <TheSheep> SpiffyBalak: no, wait, it's not there
[23:35] <knome> in settings manager, i have two sections whose labels start with "Button Label|". i didn't have this bug in 8.04 but now it's reappeared.
[23:35] <TheSheep> not in /etc/xdg/xfce4/xinitrc either :/
[23:37] <SpiffyBalak> maybe installing fam would help
[23:38] <SpiffyBalak> err, it sounds like it's outdated
[23:39] <SpiffyBalak> well, the file dialog seems to come from trying to load all the metadata
[23:45] <SpiffyBalak> ok, I solved the 2nd problem, a bunch of failed thumbnails were deleted
[23:45] <Jimbo> hello folks.
[23:45] <SpiffyBalak> hello
[23:45] <Jimbo> installing ubuntu, my wifi card doesn't work. Same with Kubuntu. Had to use ndiswrapper. But with xubuntu, it worked out of the box. Any clues?
[23:47] <Jimbo> also does anybody know how to check the installed xubuntu version?
[23:49] <knome> !version | Jimbo
[23:50] <Jimbo> intrepid.
[23:50] <Jimbo> knome, thanks. :) It's probably something new included in the intrepid.
[23:51] <Jimbo> knome, also can't do sudo apt-get install irssi, it just says couldn't find the package.
[23:53] <knome> weird..
[23:53] <knome> Jimbo, can you search for it in synaptic?
[23:54] <Jimbo> knome, hmmm in synaptic package manager?
[23:55] <Jimbo> knome, yeah in synaptic package manager, it can't find it.
[23:55] <knome> Jimbo, which repositories do you have enabled?
[23:55] <knome> Jimbo, it should be in main though
[23:55] <Jimbo> knome, does it require turning on some special repositories. in Kubuntu it required that.
[23:55] <knome> Jimbo, i doubt that, but you can try
[23:56] <Jimbo> checking... the repositories.
[23:57] <Jimbo> Ubuntu software has all checked. Third party has none checked. Checked Intrepid.
[23:57] <Jimbo> let's check again.
[23:58] <Jimbo> the intrepid release is impressive with the GUI clean color stuff.
[23:59] <knome> yeah.
[23:59] <knome> hardy was already quite nice.
[23:59] <Jimbo> used ubuntu then moved to xubuntu but it never worked right. Ended up using ubuntu in hardy.