[00:00] <Ahmuck> sadly, i may be moving from kubuntu to ubuntu
[00:01] <tacosarecool> Hey ahmuch
[00:01] <tacosarecool> You have a stickam account?
[00:01] <zir-rt> Ahmuck: why?
[00:01] <tacosarecool> Or whoever
[00:01] <Ahmuck> menu system
[00:01] <tacosarecool> Because is anyone else getting the glitch
[00:01] <tacosarecool> On stickam
[00:01] <Ahmuck> and now it takes a G of ram to do the same thing
[00:02] <tacosarecool> Like you can't make a video on it I could on another site
[00:02] <Ahmuck> what is stickam ?
[00:02] <tacosarecool> It is a webcam site
[00:02] <tacosarecool> It worked in kde3
[00:03] <zir-rt> Ahmuck: that is straing, but also linux uses all the ram memory to cache and buffer, not only apps.
[00:04] <granado> buenas noches a todos
[00:04] <mister-t> !es
[00:09] <tacosarecool> !page rendering wrong
[00:09] <bluecopper> hello
[00:09] <bluecopper> quick question
[00:10] <bluecopper> has anyone upgrade to open office 3
[00:11] <zir-rt> bluecopper: I dont, but I know there is a repo :)
[00:11] <bluecopper> i did my upgrade but i cant seem to write to .docx format
[00:11] <bluecopper> i can read docx but i cant write to it
[00:11] <zir-rt> bluecopper: It can't
[00:12] <zir-rt> bluecopper: openoffice.org 3 can only open/read docx archives
[00:12] <zir-rt> also the same with the excels.x archives
[00:12] <bluecopper> In addition to read and write support for the Microsoft Office binary file formats (.doc; .xls, .ppt, etc.), OpenOffice.org 3.0 is now capable of opening files created with Microsoft Office 2007 or Microsoft Office 2008 for Mac OS X (.docx, .xlsx, .pptx, etc.). Thus, OpenOffice.org users can interact with users still using Microsoft Office. The various filters for the Microsoft Office file formats also make mixed environments
[00:12] <bluecopper> possible, so that some users stay on Microsoft Office while others use OpenOffice.org.
[00:13] <bluecopper> i got that from open office features
[00:14] <bluecopper> i was told that version 3 was able to
[00:15] <tacosarecool> Any problems
[00:15] <tacosarecool> With rendering pages
[00:15] <zir-rt> bluecopper: I dont think it can sve them
[00:15] <bluecopper> i know someone using OO 3 on a mac and he can create docx files
[00:15] <tacosarecool> some what of flash
[00:16] <bluecopper> hmmm
[00:16] <acemo> Is it possible to let the popups of getting new messages on msn (kopete) to go away after a certain time?
[00:19] <DarkSmoke> why doesn't gspca build on intrepid
[00:19] <DarkSmoke> ?
[00:21] <lovre> hi all
[00:22] <lovre> how do i change time in kubuntu 8.10? i selected my zone but it is showing time wrong (added 1 hour)
[00:22] <tacosarecool> How do I get flash 10 in kde4 not to act weird
[00:23] <lovre> anyone here?
[00:24] <done> hi!  same question here :-)    I have a question about the XF86Forward key and some global default I can't find the setting for.
[00:25] <tacosarecool> Anyone have render problems with flash on linux like you go to a website with flash and it looks weird like on stickam
[00:25] <tacosarecool> one part looks od
[00:25] <tacosarecool> d
[00:25] <done> thanks for kubuntu... it's bad ass!
[00:25] <bluecopper> hi
[00:26] <HappySmileMan> OMG, there is actually a libpr0n source folder in firefox source
[00:26] <bluecopper> i have a question about OO3
[00:27] <tacosarecool> I have a flash problem sorta it works but some stuff looks weird like one part of stickam
[00:27] <bluecopper> i was told that oo3 was able to read and write docx file formats and i know someone using it on mac and then are able to write docx but i did my upgrade this evening from 2.4 to 3 but i'm unable to write to docx
[00:31] <bluecopper> hello
[00:33] <delight> does somebody know why env-variables defined in /etc/environment ain't interpreted for the root-user ? and how to make root use them ? (su - / sudo -i etc. etc.)
[00:35] <Guest60662> I tried to decrease my ntfs partition and enlarge my ext3 kubuntu partition using qtparted. however, i'm gessing the latter fails because i'm booted into it now.
[00:36] <delight> Guest42150: try the live-cd ;)
[00:38] <acemo> Is it possible to let the popups of getting new messages on msn (kopete) to go away after a certain time?
[00:40] <zir-rt> How can I configure the mouse to one single click for gnome programs? Do a need to edit a config file or install a config program?
[00:41] <HappySmileMan> acemo: In Kopete contact list window you can change notifications
[00:41] <HappySmileMan> Go to "Incoming message" and uncheck "SHow popup window"
 so only popup or no popup possible?
[00:43] <HappySmileMan> Yes I think so, they shoul;d go away by themselves after a few seconds but I think it'd be nicer if they went away quicker
[00:43] <acemo> seem to stay for atleast a minute here.. then i clicked away
[00:43]  * andylockran|lapt is back.
[00:52] <watts_> hi
[00:54] <antoine> Hi
[00:54] <watts_> howsit
[00:56] <dennister> hey channel, need some serious help with sound...i just put my htpc in a new, bigger case, and everything has gone smoothly except for sound...I get none, even though I spend some time in winblows hell and it's working there (not perfectly, cause I don't get system sounds and only get music using 5.1 speakers) but with my kubuntu  get absolutely nothing
[00:57] <dennister> I've purged everything with pulseaudio, but that hasn't helped either...anyone have some time for me?
[00:58] <SJr|Nbook> Kubuntu 8.10, Dell M1210 XPS, (nvidia GeForce 7400 Go). I seem to be getting alot of artifacts on the screen with KDE, and it not redrawing properly. I'm using the Nvidia binary driver. Any ideas?
[00:59] <lovre> how do i autostart a script with as root?
[00:59] <SJr|Nbook> cron?
[01:00] <joe-coder> what will happen if i delete my swap partition?  it's in the way of me enlarging my main ext3 partition
[01:01] <Guest8501> boa noite a todos
[01:01] <SJr|Nbook> joe-coder nothing really, you might run out of ram
[01:01] <SJr|Nbook> errr memory
[01:01] <SJr|Nbook> alot of systems don't need it, it depends.
[01:04] <dennister> please, someone help me with this sound issue? do I really have to go back to winblows every time I wanna hear some music or watch some news?
[01:05] <DarkSmoke> what sound issue dennister
[01:06] <dennister> DarkSmoke: that I don't get any :-) although it was working with pulseaudio (and b4 that alsa) b4 I changed the pc case
[01:06] <Guest8501> como ir para o irc do Kurumin
[01:06] <DarkSmoke> how can a pc case effect sound?
[01:06] <dennister> it works in winblows, so it can't be hardware
[01:06] <DarkSmoke> sound strange
[01:06] <HappySmileMan> The PC case was only thing changed?
[01:07] <dennister> DarkSmoke: because changing the case means you physically rebuilt the thing...
[01:07] <demonhunter123> i have a linksys lne100tx im trying to install
[01:07] <demonhunter123> lspci sees it as a
[01:07] <HappySmileMan> dennister: Yeha he rebuilt it but it works in Windows so iot's connected right
[01:07] <dennister> HappySmileMan: i also added antoher sata drive and different optical drives, but like i said, it works in winblows
[01:07] <demonhunter123> 00:08.0 Ethernet controller: ADMtek NC100 Network Everywhere Fast Ethernet 10/100 (rev 11)
[01:07] <demonhunter123> but thats as far as it goes
[01:08] <dennister> the home theatre case was just too small for this mobo and dual core powerhouse
[01:08] <DarkSmoke> tried to change back the case and see if it still works?
[01:08] <DarkSmoke> if it still works, its the case, if not...
[01:08] <dennister> DarkSmoke: very funny
[01:09] <DarkSmoke> its some updat
[01:09] <DarkSmoke> e
[01:09] <DarkSmoke> dennister: do i look funny?
[01:09] <DarkSmoke> test and see
[01:09] <DarkSmoke> ;p
[01:09] <DarkSmoke> else, you aint gonna find out
[01:10] <dennister> cute...but that would defeat the purpose...right now it's a software issue
[01:10] <dennister> and kubuntu issue
[01:10] <DarkSmoke> thats whats your brain's tellin ya
[01:10] <DarkSmoke> just try the older case and see if it works
[01:11] <demonhunter123> anyone have a solution for me
[01:11] <DarkSmoke> it shouldn't be difficult to change case... come on
[01:11] <DarkSmoke> demonhunter123: whats your prob?
[01:11] <demonhunter123> i have a linksys lne100tx im trying to install
[01:11] <demonhunter123> lspci sees it as a
[01:11] <demonhunter123> 00:08.0 Ethernet controller: ADMtek NC100 Network Everywhere Fast Ethernet 10/100 (rev 11)
[01:11] <demonhunter123> but thats as far as it goes
[01:11] <HappySmileMan> Well if he doesn't want to do that he can aways try reinstall sound drivers and/or kernel
[01:11] <dennister> HappySmileMan: do you have any ideas for me? doing what he suggests would take another 12-24 hours...
[01:11] <HappySmileMan> But I doubt that would work since they were working fine
[01:12] <DarkSmoke> changing a case takes 12 to 24hrs ?
[01:12] <HappySmileMan> Could be that adding in hardware did something so now it needs to be set up again, which is why I suggest reinstalling drivers
[01:12] <DarkSmoke> man.. i do it in 20mins, test included
[01:12] <dennister> this is a 'case' of pulseaudio being purged but still leaving traces of itself behind...interfering with alsa
[01:12] <DarkSmoke> demonhunter123: linksys is a net router right?
[01:13] <l2trace99> anyone running dual monitors with a raedon card on 8.10 ?
[01:13] <demonhunter123> linksys also makes 10/100mb pci cards
[01:13] <DarkSmoke> ah
[01:13] <DarkSmoke> ok
[01:14] <demonhunter123> this is a network pci card
[01:14] <DarkSmoke> and you don't have net?
[01:14] <DarkSmoke> ..internet that is
[01:14] <lovre> how to add application launcher icon to a kde4 panel?
[01:14] <demonhunter123> no
[01:14] <DarkSmoke> ok
[01:14] <demonhunter123> i need dual network cards
[01:14] <HappySmileMan> lovre: Right click on panel, add widgets, there should be two app launchers there, if you right click on desktop instead of panel it'll e placed in middle of desktop
[01:14] <demonhunter123> i need the system to have 2 cards
[01:15] <DarkSmoke> so you must be talkin to me from another pc . or insertind data with you're hands reading it back with you're hands
[01:15] <DarkSmoke> ;p
[01:15] <DarkSmoke> oh
[01:15] <DarkSmoke> i see
[01:15] <DarkSmoke> dual networks cards, never tried that, i goes someone else must help ya
[01:15] <lovre> HappySmileMan: i dont mean the application launcher like the start button, i mean just like a button that would run Firefox...
[01:16] <scorpmax> hi
[01:17] <HappySmileMan> Oh, the way I did it was drag from menu to desktop, then from desktop to panel
[01:17] <HappySmileMan> Dragging straight to panel never worked
[01:17] <lovre> HappySmileMan: ok, thank you
[01:17] <HappySmileMan> Maybe it was a folderview instead of desktop, one of them worked
[01:18] <lovre> HappySmileMan: another thing, KNetworkManager does not recognize my internet connections, so it tells applications i am in offline mode. Can this be fixed?
[01:18] <HappySmileMan> Dunno, I've never had problems with internet here
[01:19] <lovre> HappySmileMan: sorry to bother, another one, can i show icons as Details in folder view
[01:19] <HappySmileMan> Not as far as I know, I think this may be planned for future KDE releases, I think I saw a screenshot on some blog anyway
[01:20] <lovre> ok
[01:20] <lovre> HappySmileMan: i have many problems with kubuntu 8.10, im frustrated
[01:21] <lovre> HappySmileMan: do you use wpa_supplicant for wired connections?
[01:21] <HappySmileMan> Nope
[01:22] <lovre> :(
[01:31] <HappySmileMan> Mozilla-qt built and runs
[01:31] <HappySmileMan> Very ugly, but maybe it works with themes?
[01:31] <DarkSmoke> HappySmileMan: there is a qt version of mozlla?
[01:32] <HappySmileMan> DarkSmoke: Not supported (yet) but if you're willing to compile it yourself you can get it
[01:32] <HappySmileMan> My themes aren't compatible so I'll have to change that about:config value to test them
[01:33] <Guest90995> alguem ta usando o mand.2009
[01:34] <genesismachine> my setup on my server is borked. Is there a way to install packages with the liveCD and then reboot? My display is messed up, but I think if I can just install an ssh server on there, I can at least ssh in from my laptop and figure out what the heck is going on...
[01:35] <DarkSmoke> how do i do it HappySmileMan?
[01:36] <HappySmileMan> DarkSmoke: It's very ugly and has some rendering issues, and probably heaps more bugs, but if you must there's instructions at https://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Pjohnsen/MozillaQtBuild
[01:36] <HappySmileMan> I had to add in a couple of lines to the code, but nothing needed to be "changed" per se, just missing a value for an enum and 2 pointer arguments to a function
[01:37] <notriddle> genesismachine: Sure.
[01:37] <notriddle> !chroot
[01:38] <DarkSmoke> HappySmileMan: aint that how to build it on windowzE?
[01:41] <notriddle> genesismachine: From the liveCD, you simply open the disk in Dolphin (to mount it), open a terminal, and "sudo chroot /media/[name may vary]".
[01:41] <HappySmileMan> Nope
[01:41] <DarkSmoke> ok
[01:41] <DarkSmoke> i think i'll give it a try later
[01:41] <DarkSmoke> im going to sleep now
[01:41] <DarkSmoke> night all
[01:41] <DarkSmoke> peace
[01:41] <HappySmileMan> Night
[01:43] <genesismachine> thanks notriddle
[01:43] <notriddle> genesismachine: no problem.
[01:46] <HappySmileMan> http://i36.tinypic.com/2e3psfa.jpg
[01:47] <notriddle> HappySmileMan: Cool to see the progress of firefoqs. Last I saw it, the icons weren't rendered.
[01:48] <HappySmileMan> That's after forcing compatibility with my KDE4 theme, default is very ugly
[01:48] <HappySmileMan> And the icons on right side of tabbar don't appear
[01:48] <HappySmileMan> You can't paste into URL bar and Ctrl+T doesn't work
[01:48]  * notriddle wonders if there is a better name than firefoqs.
[01:49] <HappySmileMan> But it renders webpages
[01:49]  * notriddle thinks firefoqs needs some work...
[01:50] <HappySmileMan> Yes does, but it came a long way from earlier this year
[01:50] <luc_> I have added a second monitor through system settings
[01:50] <HappySmileMan> What i don't understand, is why it would be so hard to just put a QLineEdit for addressbar and stuff like that
[01:50] <luc_> for a beamer to be added
[01:51] <luc_> now after i restarted my screen is not appearing anymore
[01:51] <notriddle> They have to bind between XUL and Qt, HappySmileMan.
[01:51] <cuznt> use oatmean
[01:51] <cuznt> crap
[01:51] <cuznt> use oatmeal it binds everything up
[01:52] <luc_> I need an x xpert
[01:53] <luc_> i just get the text for login now and not anymore my splash screen
[01:53] <luc_> I hope somebody can help
[01:55] <luc_> nobody ?
[01:55] <cuznt> but kde still works?
[01:56] <HappySmileMan> Almost certainly something wrong with your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file, but no ideda how you'd fix it
[01:56] <cuznt> luc does the kde still work?
[01:56] <luc_> Ikde no
[01:56] <luc_> I mean i see an attempt during startup to build a screen
[01:57] <luc_> but it is aborted
[01:57] <luc_> or something
[01:57] <notriddle> luc
[01:58] <notriddle> luc_: If I understand correctly, X started to load but then errored.
[01:58] <notriddle> luc_: Can we see your X log?
[01:58] <van> What is the best VNC server for Kubuntu?
[01:58] <luc_> seems like it but ( idid not detect an error in verbose)
[01:58] <notriddle> van: #ubuntu-bots, ask BestBot ;)
[01:59] <luc_> wel I am working from another computer now with screen
[01:59] <van> notriddle: ?
[01:59] <luc_> so whats the place to look for this
[01:59] <notriddle> luc_: When X fails to start, does it simply drop you to a prompt or does it give you some diagnostics.
[02:00] <notriddle> van: On #ubuntu-bots, they have a bot running that records people's preferences. The topic says how.
[02:00] <luc_> I will try to start it again what's the commandline command
[02:00] <luc_> startx ?
[02:01] <HappySmileMan> Yes
[02:02] <notriddle> luc_: From that, I gather you can use the CLI. Simply view /var/log/Xorg.0.log with a text editor.
[02:03] <luc_> fatal server error: requested entity allready in use
[02:03] <luc_> giving up
[02:04] <luc_> that's not me giving up :)
[02:04] <Tribuck> then just solve it !
[02:05] <notriddle> luc_: Would you be able to paste the whole, or at least all of the errors, somewhere?
[02:06] <notriddle> !pastebin
[02:06] <luc_> well the labtop is in textmode next to me
[02:06] <luc_> i am working though a screen
[02:07] <luc_> with x running
[02:07] <luc_> i did view /var/log/......
[02:07] <luc_> its a long fil
[02:07] <notriddle> luc_: I understand. Are there any other errors besides the "entity already in use"?
[02:08] <luc_> looking
[02:09] <xevix> is there a guide for making a kubuntu intrepid bootable usb stick, using linux?
[02:10] <luc_> no other errors
[02:10] <notriddle> xevix: http://www.pendrivelinux.com/2007/09/28/usb-ubuntu-710-gutsy-gibbon-install/
[02:11] <notriddle> luc_: Okay. Sounds like there's two Sections using the same name, for lack of no other explanation. In /etc/X11/xorg.conf, are there two Sections with the same Identifier?
[02:11] <luc_> i will have a look but
[02:12] <luc_> hoow to get out of vieew mode back to command (sorry modern linux generation using graphic inteface most of the time)
[02:13] <notriddle> luc_: Ctrl+Alt+F[1-6] Ctrl+Alt+F7 to return to GUI.
[02:14] <xevix> notriddle, intrepid is 8.10
[02:14] <luc_> looking
[02:14] <notriddle> luc_: Of course, normally you can just use a terminal emulator (Konsole).
[02:14] <xevix> and that's ubuntu
[02:15] <notriddle> xevix: I know. It looks like it should work with Intrepid. And the guide seems to be mostly from the CLI, so Kubuntu won't make a difference.
[02:15] <compilerwriter> I tried to utilize the help in Kmymoney and it said that it could not open the kdehelpcenter.  What do I need to do to fix this issue.
[02:16] <desendeasi> hey my friend
[02:16] <desendeasi> pls help me for ati driver in ubuntu
[02:17] <desendeasi> msı ex 610 my video card
[02:17] <desendeasi> my nootebook is msı ex610
[02:17] <desendeasi> my video card is ati mobility readon hd 2400
[02:17] <luc_> device 2 is mentioned twice as an identifier
[02:17] <notriddle> luc_: Okay. There's the problem.
[02:18] <desendeasi> luc_  pls help me
[02:18] <luc_> deseneasi i was talking about my own problem
[02:18] <notriddle> desendeasi: luc_ is getting help fixing his X.
[02:18] <desendeasi> ok luc_ thanks
[02:19] <desendeasi> notriddle pls help me
[02:19] <desendeasi> can u help me
[02:19] <luc_> let me guess nriddle vim /etc/....
[02:19] <notriddle> desendeasi: I'll try, but I've kinda got my hands full. As soon as I'm done.
[02:20] <desendeasi> ok thanks
[02:20] <notriddle> luc_: Yep. Are both "device 2" Sections the same device type (an InputDevice, a Monitor).
[02:20] <desendeasi> an url halper me for ati graphic card
[02:20] <notriddle> desendeasi: Try Menu->System->Hardware Drivers
[02:21] <desendeasi> yes i try it
[02:21] <notriddle> !ati > desendeasi
[02:21] <luc_> no the first is section device and the second is section screen
[02:22] <luc_> hold on i am misreading ... just a se
[02:22] <lovre> can someone paste me their /etc/network/interfaces contents please?
[02:22] <desendeasi> ok ubottu i see your private message
[02:23] <notriddle> desendeasi: ubottu is a robot, who contains lots of information helpers don't want to try to explain over and over again. I asked ubottu to tell you about ATI cards.
[02:24] <lovre> can someone help me with knetworkmanager?
[02:25] <luc_> noriddle: sorry i was to enthousiastic it seems no identifier named twice ( rechecking now)
[02:26] <luc_> yes no identifier named twice
[02:26] <aioobe> lovre: what's wrong with it
[02:26]  * notriddle wishes luc_ could paste his Xorg.conf
[02:27] <luc_> yeah me to
[02:27] <lovre> aioobe: it says im disconnected, but i am connected to internet. This causes some programs to believe there is no connection to internet. Like firefox, pidgin, etc...
[02:28] <notriddle> luc_: Perhaps you could simply delete your Xorg.conf and run "sudo dexconf".
[02:28] <notriddle> lovre: How did you get connected?
[02:28] <aioobe> mine does the same some times after coming back from suspend
[02:28] <luc_> you are scaring me
[02:28] <courtjesterg> it came to my attention they should put dates on the adepts when they were realsed
[02:28] <notriddle> luc_: Sorry.
[02:28] <lovre> notriddle: im connected to a wired network via wpa_supplicant
[02:29] <luc_> lets first copy the present one shall we
[02:29] <notriddle> luc_: Why am I scaring you?
[02:29] <courtjesterg> i recoomend firestarter
[02:29] <notriddle> luc_: Sure.
[02:29] <courtjesterg> firestarter good firewall
[02:29] <luc_> I have i presentation to befinished tomorroiw morning on this very laptop
[02:29] <courtjesterg> already block one ip address
[02:29] <courtjesterg> event
[02:30] <luc_> it  3:30 here now
[02:30] <notriddle> lovre: You ran wpa_supplicant directly? Why didn't KNetworkManager work.
[02:30] <courtjesterg> i am not sure i can't read army time
[02:30] <notriddle> luc_: Ick! Okay, so we can't simply trash xorg.conf...
[02:31] <notriddle> luc_: Perhaps you could install elinks and paste to pastebin from there?
[02:31] <luc_> no if you help me through commandlines first copy etc maybe.. elinks
[02:31] <luc_> wget wwhat ?
[02:31] <notriddle> luc_: sudo apt-get install elinks; elinks
[02:32] <courtjesterg> so got a problem how do i lauch a php file that normally would of been launched from the web in windows
[02:32] <lovre> notriddle: in kubuntu 7.10 i ran wpa_supplicant with the same script as now. KNetworkManager recognised the connection. Now, in 8.10, knetworkmanager says im disconnected. I dont know how to connect with knetworkmanager, since i need some weird authentification
[02:33]  * notriddle doesn't know how to solve lovre's connection. Seems like a problem with the newer NetworkManager.
[02:33] <lovre> notriddle: is there some other software i can use instead?
[02:34] <luc_> to bad noriddle no internet
[02:34] <lovre> notriddle: and, what is the way it makes system "think" it is or is not connected..?
[02:35] <notriddle> lovre: Appearently, NetworkManager 0.7 doesn't play as nicely with external interaction (a.k.a. wpa_supplicant) as the older version included in Hardy.
[02:36] <lovre> notriddle: what can i do about it? can i use something else? and why does firefox think im offline even when i quit knetworkmanager?
[02:36] <xevix> notriddle, well, i need a different initrd and whatnot, right?
[02:37] <notriddle> lovre: The programs ask NetworkManager whether or not the internet is connected. KNetworkManager is simply a frontend to NetworkManager, which runs in the background and is started with the system.
[02:37] <notriddle> xevix: Doesn't the guide say?
[02:38] <xevix> notriddle, nope, it only gives me the download link for the initrd and sysconfig of that particular distro, and version
[02:38] <lovre> notriddle: how do i tell networkmanager that im connected?
[02:38] <lovre> omg
[02:38] <xevix> i've even found this: http://www.pendrivelinux.com/2008/10/15/ubuntu-810-persistent-flash-drive-install-from-live-cd/
[02:38] <xevix> but not for kubuntu
[02:39] <lovre> notriddle: omg, i think i got it
[02:39] <notriddle> xevix: Kubuntu Hardy uses the same initrd as Ubuntu Hardy, so that guide will work.
[02:40] <lovre> notriddle: i just created new "dummy" connection, and it works. I dont know how, it doesnt make sense. It thinks its connected, event though it cannot be due to password not being settup, but its connected via wpa_supplicant so it works somehow..
[02:40] <lovre> wierd
[02:40] <notriddle> lovre: Cool.
[02:40] <lovre> notriddle: another question, i want to run this script that starts wpa_supplicant every time kubuntu starts. How do i do this? Note that inside it there is a sudo command, and i wouldnt want to have to type any additional passwords...
[02:41] <notriddle> lovre: Add it to /etc/rc.local.
[02:41] <notriddle> luc_: I'm looking at nm-system-settings.
[02:41] <lovre> notriddle: just type the command?
[02:41] <lovre> notriddle: it will run as root?
[02:42] <notriddle> lovre: Yep.
[02:42] <lovre> notriddle: ok, i will try, thank you for your time. :D
[02:42] <luc_> i am trying to understand conf file
[02:42] <lovre> brb trying this out
[02:43] <notriddle> lovre: Are you sure that the dummy connection you set up won't invalidate the real one? rc.local runs before knetworkmanager
[02:44] <luc_> noriddle I think I am on to something but it has no relation with the idetifier allready in use error
[02:44] <notriddle> luc_: What's the problem?
[02:45] <luc_> default screen says 640x480@60
[02:45] <luc_> My screen is 1280 x something
[02:46] <luc_> could this cause the problem ?
[02:46] <courtjesterg> why after installing the firrefox entention to fix the browser flash bug does it still say firefox isn't a java compatible browser?
[02:46] <notriddle> luc_: Okay. Does it list both resolutions? I know that an xorg.conf file may list all of the available resolutions, in case a full-screen application may want to run at a different resolution.
[02:47] <lovre> erm
[02:47] <notriddle> luc_: Okay. I can't find any information on nm-system-settings... so I'll try to fix it w/o the config file.
[02:47] <lovre> rc.local didnt work
[02:48] <notriddle> lovre: NetworkManager fouled the connection? rc.local is run before knetworkmanager
[02:48] <lovre> notriddle: is that good or bar
[02:48] <lovre> bad
[02:48] <lovre> notriddle: maybe i have to remove "sudo" in front of commands?
[02:49] <notriddle> lovre: You don't need to remove the sudo, though it is unnecessary.
[02:49] <luc_> it says modeline "640x480@60" 25.2 640 565 752 800 480 490 492 525 -vsync -hsync
[02:49] <luc_> gamma 1.0
[02:49] <notriddle> lovre: After your connection is set up, NetworkManager may simply be bringing it back down again.
[02:49] <notriddle> luc_: Okay. It's not listing them all.
[02:50] <lovre> notriddle: when i run it manually it works. I run the script then i connect with netwokmanager, and it works. Maybe it cant find the script in /usr/local/bin since i dont run in as user but as root'
[02:51] <notriddle> lovre: Ctrl+Alt+F8
[02:52] <lovre> notriddle: says "internet not found". internet is the file name
[02:52] <lovre> notriddle: maybe i should write the commands directly in rc.local
[02:52] <notriddle> lovre: Yep.
[02:52] <lovre> notriddle: ok, that should do itr
[02:53] <notriddle> luc_: I'm stumped. Anyone else have any ideas?
[02:53] <lovre> notriddle: another problem while im at it, i cant restart or shutdown my computer, it goes blank and i have to restart X server, and from login screen i have to select restart. any idea about this? Imma gonna restart to try internet now, brb
[02:54] <notriddle> luc_: I should've asked before, but what type of graphics card are you using?
[02:55] <notriddle> !xinerama
[02:55] <notriddle> !dual-head
[02:55] <notriddle> !dualhead
[02:55] <notriddle> !xinerama
[02:55] <notriddle> !xrandr
[02:56] <luc_> notriddle: hardware wise i don't know in x it says vesa driver
[02:56] <notriddle> luc_: Try lspci
[02:56] <quentin> Hey there! Ca anyone help me to create a .deb installer?
[02:56] <quentin> A very simple one.
[02:56] <notriddle> lovre: Did it work?
[02:56] <notriddle> !deb
[02:56] <lovre> notriddle: yes it did :D
[02:57] <lovre> notriddle: thank you for your help. any idea about the shutdown/restart problem
[02:57] <mondo_doofus> Hello, I'm a long time kde 3.5 user and am not immediately seeing how to customize kde 4.x to my liking... I like a pretty unobtrusive thin taskbar at the top that is transparent with everything on it. If this is possible with KDE4, I can't find any howtos to set it up this way?
[02:57] <notriddle> lovre: I'd say try to find a log of what happened during the freeze
[02:57] <mondo_doofus> !?
[02:57] <lovre> notriddle: where can i find this log?
[02:58] <quentin> ubottu: I know. I need to some help for "creating" a deb installer
[02:58] <notriddle> monodo_doofus: Use a different theme.
[02:58] <quentin> -to
[02:58] <mondo_doofus> ubottu: help
[02:58] <quentin> :)
[02:58] <notriddle> !checkinstall
[02:58] <luc_> notriddle: when things go wrong they really go wrong battey went dead (restartiing now with power)
[02:58] <quentin> ... Checkinstall won't help me...
[02:59] <notriddle> !search deb
[02:59] <quentin> In fact, I need to know where to store backup files.
[02:59] <notriddle> lovre: There are a few. Try /var/log/messages
[03:00] <quentin> I'm not making a deb installer for an exesting program. I'm writing a deb installer for a script that replaces some files. And I need to know what is the "good location" to store backup files
[03:00] <lovre> notriddle: theres lots of it, what am i looking for?
[03:01] <quentin> i
[03:01] <notriddle> lovre: Any obvious errors. You may want to mark somewhere, try to restart, and look at everything after it.
[03:02] <killermach> how do I get my USB mouse to work on my laptop after I have already logged into kubuntu?
[03:02] <frogonwheels> killermach: generally just plug it in.
[03:03] <luc_> notriddle: if i just blank the second monitor part form the x.conf (that where the problems started ?
[03:03] <lovre> notriddle: i see on a forum someone is mentioning "halt" command from vty? what can that do?
[03:03] <notriddle> lovre: halt is simply a CLI command to shut down a computer.
[03:04] <killermach> frogonwheels: hmm.. this has not worked for me usually if I reboot with the mouse plugged in or maybe logout plugin mouse restart kdm, then login I have a mouse
[03:04] <frogonwheels> killermach: you aren't using gdm are you?
[03:05] <frogonwheels> I mean.
[03:05] <killermach> frogonwheels: mostly I don't use a mouse I use the glidepoint pad, but ocassionally I like to have a mouse
[03:05] <notriddle> luc_: You can try it. After you do, running X and Ctrl->Alt->Backspace if it works is faster than startx and definitely faster than rebooting.
[03:05] <killermach> I'm using what kubuntu installs by default
[03:06] <killermach> frogonwheels: looks to be kdm
[03:06] <frogonwheels> there used to be another program called gdm (I think that was it) which was a layer between mouse driver.. worked for console as well as x
[03:06] <frogonwheels> .. you won't be using it.
[03:07] <notriddle> !gdm
[03:07] <frogonwheels> killermach: sounds like your dbus isn't properly working for you.
[03:07] <notriddle> frogonwheels: GDM is not a layer between mouse driver and X.
[03:07] <frogonwheels> no.. gdm is now the gnome display manager
[03:07] <frogonwheels> but it was called something liekt hat.
[03:08] <notriddle> frogonwheels: You mean gpm. X never used it that much, and it wasn't responsible for the type of hotplugging that a USB mouse involves anyway.
[03:08] <frogonwheels> ahhh!
[03:08] <frogonwheels> sorry
[03:08] <frogonwheels> no
[03:08] <frogonwheels> it wasn't
[03:08] <notriddle> !gpm
[03:09] <frogonwheels> not really surprising
[03:09] <lovre> notriddle: halt command shuts down perfectly.....
[03:09] <mondo_doofus> !kdm
[03:09] <notriddle> !gpm is a daemon that captures mouse events when the system console is active, and delivers events to applications through a library.
[03:09] <frogonwheels> yeah - anwyay not the problem here.
[03:09] <lovre> !shutdown
[03:10] <frogonwheels> Anybody seen this?  :( :( :(    konqueror: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/kde4/lib/libkonq.so.5: undefined symbol: _ZN3KIO3Job9addSubjobEPS0_b
[03:10] <luc_> notriddle: Ithank you for your persistence but I really need to stop now 04:14 I can't think straight anymore
[03:10] <nyp4life> quick question.. does a .deb file need to be somewhere specific or can i install from desktop?
[03:10] <frogonwheels> upgraded to intrepid.  things worked - I removed a whole lot of 'obsolete' libraries. now kde4 is broken.
[03:11] <notriddle> !kdm is the KDE Display Manager. It manages a collection of X servers on local or remove machines.
[03:11] <luc_> I will face the problems tomorrow morning
[03:11] <frogonwheels> I've reinstalled many libraries - run debsums
[03:11] <luc_> today morningthat is
[03:11] <notriddle> !gdm is the GNOME Display Manager. It manages a collection of X servers on local or remove machines.
[03:12] <lovre> notriddle: can you take a look at this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=1714220&postcount=9     does it have anything to do with this?
[03:12] <notriddle> lovre: Looks like a problem with KDM...
[03:12] <mondo_doofus> !gdm
[03:12] <rodriguez> hola
[03:12] <notriddle> !es
[03:12] <rodriguez> alguien de puerto rico
[03:13]  * quentin hates complexity. And making a really simple .deb file is a pain in the, well you know where
[03:14] <notriddle> lovre: In their case, it didn't work with halt. In your case, it did.
[03:14] <frogonwheels> frogonwheels: kdm comes up with the background and no login.
[03:14] <frogonwheels> taking to myself again.
[03:14]  * frogonwheels sighs
[03:15]  * notriddle doesn't know how to make debs.
[03:15] <lovre> be right back
[03:15] <bilicki> what package do I need to be able to play divx, xvid and mp3 files?
[03:15] <notriddle> mp4life: You can install it from anywhere.
[03:15] <notriddle> bilicki: kubuntu-restricted-extras
[03:16] <notriddle> !kubuntu-restricted-extras
[03:16] <notriddle> !ubuntu-restricted-extras
[03:16] <lovre> :(
[03:18] <notriddle> !kubuntu-restricted-extras is !ubuntu-restricted-extras
[03:18] <notriddle> !"kubuntu-restricted-extras" is !ubuntu-restricted-extras
[03:20] <quentin> btw, if someone wants to have the gentoo bash profile and gentoo bashrc to enable reverse search in command history with pageUp and pageDown and a lot of improvement for the shell, just ask me.
[03:21] <draik_> What is the purpose of the package "prelink"?
[03:21] <quentin> (that's what for I'm trying to make a deb installer )
[03:21] <bilicki> now, videos work from dragon player, but not from Mplayer
[03:21] <quentin> for ==+ end
[03:22] <bilicki> "Error opening/initializing the selected video_out (-vo) device.
[03:22] <mondo_doofus> quentin: I might be interested
[03:22] <bilicki> (in Mplayer)
[03:23] <jcarlin6> Help
[03:23] <mondo_doofus> quentin: rather, I AM interested
[03:23] <jcarlin6> I put LinuxMCE on my DVD and
[03:23] <jcarlin6> i don't know how to install it onto my kubuntu partition
[03:24] <quentin> mondo_doofus: :)
[03:24] <jcarlin6> PLZ HELP
[03:24] <quentin> mondo_doofus I found a simple deb installer. Gonna learn from that
[03:24] <mondo_doofus> jcarlin:um, so you tried booting from it? did you check the boot order in your BIOS?
[03:25] <dig> bilicki: this may help ---> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20039
[03:25] <jcarlin6> Okay... Yes I did but i see there is a way to install the packages with my existing kubuntu OS
[03:25] <jcarlin6> But when i mount it it says permission denied\
[03:27] <mondo_doofus> jcarlin6: missed that sorry, look at the end of this page http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/Installation_Guide
[03:28] <memeemeee> can I mount a separate drive as a directory within my linux filesystem? (ie: /backups/laptop)
[03:29] <Dragnslcr> memeemeee- that's the only way to mount a drive
[03:30] <memeemeee> but do I have to put it in /mnt/ or /media/ ?
[03:30] <jcarlin6> that website still doesn't help me with the permission denied problem
[03:30] <mondo_doofus> jcarlin6: the CD isn't automounted?
[03:30] <jcarlin6> IDK
[03:31] <mondo_doofus> jcarlin6: look at the output of "mount"
[03:31] <jcarlin6> how do i find out
[03:31] <mondo_doofus> jcarlin6: what command are you attempting to use to mount it?
[03:31] <Dragnslcr> memeemeee- you can moun a drive to any directory you want
[03:32] <memeemeee> ok. and I place that info in fstab?
[03:32] <Dragnslcr> Yeah
[03:32] <memeemeee> k thanks Dragnslcr
[03:32] <jcarlin6> mkdir -pv mnt
[03:33] <jcarlin6> then when i just skip all the mounting commands
[03:33] <jcarlin6> and type in sudo dpkg -i mnt/mce-installer_2.0.1-1_i386.deb is cannot be found
[03:34] <mondo_doofus> jcarlin6: skip mounting commands what? what is the path/mount point of the linuxMCE cd/dvd?
[03:35] <jcarlin6> media/
[03:35] <jcarlin6> Ubuntu-Studio 8.04.1 i386
[03:35] <mondo_doofus> jcarlin6: so if you do "ls -hasl /media/mnt/"
[03:35] <mondo_doofus> you should see the contents of the CD
[03:36] <mondo_doofus> jcarlin6: do you see the contents of the cd?
[03:36] <condon> Does anyone know if there is a way to mount windows .ISO's w/ wine?
[03:36] <condon> I've tried loading Daemon tools, but it gives me an error and won't isntall.
[03:36] <jcarlin6> no its says no such file or directory
[03:37] <mondo_doofus> jcarlin6: so I'll ask again, where are you mounting the cd?
[03:38] <mondo_doofus> jcarlin6:fyi, usually CDs are automounted to /media/cdrom or /media/cdrom0
[03:38] <jcarlin6> I don't know i am doing exactly what this website tells me http://wiki.linuxmce.org/index.php/Installation_Guide the only difference is that i already had the dvd i made
[03:38] <jcarlin6> before
[03:39] <mondo_doofus> jcarlin6: if the dvd isn't automounted, you need to mount it first, once you can ls the files on the DVD, you can find where the .deb is you need to be installing and go from there
[03:39] <condon> When I try to install Daemon tools in wine, after accepting the terms and clicking accept, I get a popup that says "SPTD setup V1.56 (c) 2004-..." in the title bar and it says "This platform is not supported"
[03:40] <condon> is there something to configure in wine?  I've tried it as Vista and XP
[03:40] <jcarlin6> were is the .deb usually?
[03:41] <mondo_doofus> jcarlin6: I don't have a linuxMCE dvd handy, sorry
[03:43] <condon> or does anyone know if I can just mount /home/user/Desktop/file.iso
[03:43] <condon> and if wine will just take over from there?
[03:44] <lovre> cant fix shutdown problem....
[03:49] <killermach> anyone know how to start a USB mouse in kubuntu without reboot?
[03:49] <killermach> I can plugin my USB HD and it is found fine, but my mouse does not work the same
[03:51] <killermach> ls
[03:51] <killermach> :)
[03:52] <rav> hello. does anyone know where mysql keeps its files? where in the filesystem is the database?
[03:52] <dig> is /etc/init.d/kdm restart working for everyone?
[03:53] <dig> Mine stuck at * Checking the battery
[03:53] <frogonwheels> not for me.
[03:53] <frogonwheels> .. well it works but I don't get a login prompt.
[03:53]  * frogonwheels sighs.
[03:53] <mondo_doofus> jcarlin6:you getting anywhere?
[03:54] <antonio_> rav: in /var/lib/mysql
[03:55] <CyD> plasma is crashing when i try to close a widget :( any way to clear them off? after the crash they remain..
[03:55] <CyD> i'd file a bug if it were a good idea; error output at http://paste.ubuntu.com/69863/
[03:57] <dig> will dpkg-reconfigure kdm help?
[03:59] <brady> anyone know how to disable my synaptics touchpad in 8.10?
[03:59] <CyD> hmm dig i'll maybe try that.. or dig through my .kde4
[04:00] <mondo_doofus> brady: hammer?
[04:01] <brady> excuse me?
[04:01] <dig> CyD: cool
[04:01] <CyD> ah, plasma-appletsrc straightforward
[04:01] <brady> I guess I dont know what that is
[04:01] <CyD> *is straightforward
[04:02] <ernest> hello
[04:02] <ernest> I have an question
[04:03] <ernest> where can I find system monitor which is possible to add in system's tray?
[04:03] <gkffjcs__> does anyone know what the control character "\x" means?
[04:03] <gkffjcs__> It's not on any ascii charts.
[04:04] <lovre> i cant get KSensors to work
[04:04] <lovre> i installed lm-sensors
[04:06] <lovre> help, i cant get anything inside KSensors, i installed lm-sensors...?
[04:07] <lovre> when i type sensors, i get "No sensors found!"
[04:08] <ekontsevoy> I have been playing with KDE 4.1 today (Kubuntu 8.10) and I liked it A LOT. One question though: how can I make my fonts "beefy"? I like my fonts to be Mac-style, and on Ubuntu/Gnome I usually configure them to use native font hinter, slight hinting, with subpixel rendering, but on Kubuntu these settings result in the same look as full or medium hinting, i.e. thin Windows-like fonts. What am I doing wrong?
[04:12] <yuriy> ekontsevoy: you may need to force the DPI to something else. also I'm not sure if any of those settings take effect without restarting X
[04:12] <goldmetal> anyone here vnc into gnome? and when so, is graphics emulation acceptable or is it extremely slow and lagging. not taking about video games  here. just openoffice and firefox etc..
[04:14] <ekontsevoy> yuriy: yes I've restarted X and yes the rendering changes somewhat, but I've had much beefier fonts in Gnome with identical settings... I've used DPI of 96 on both systems.
[04:14] <ekontsevoy> yuriy: but I'll try different DPI, thanks for the tip!
[04:15] <lovre> any help with lm-sensors
[04:15] <yuriy> lovre: haven't played with it in a while (2 years or so) but is there a sensors-detect command or similar?
[04:15] <alt> hello
[04:23] <buko> hey guys, got a problem. i can surf the net fine, but i cannot ping anything =/ any ideas?
[04:23] <holymoo> can you ping your self?
[04:23] <buko> localhost, yesh
[04:24] <holymoo> wow weird
[04:24] <holymoo> your firewall blocking ping requests?
[04:24] <holymoo> thats really the only possibility if you can still surf
[04:24] <buko> should not, got ping req enabled
[04:25] <mondo_doofus> buko: try temporarily stopping iptables?
[04:25] <holymoo> yeah right
[04:25] <buko> ok, will try
[04:26] <quentin> I know that's a stupid question but anyways: what's the correct command to add 4 files in a single tar.gz archive
[04:27] <quentin> I tried tar -cvjf archive.tar.gz file1 file2 file3 file4 and only file1 is in archive...
[04:28] <quentin> so then I tried to use tar -rf archive.tar.gz file2 file3 file4. I'm not getting an error but the archive is not updated...
[04:29] <lovre> is it normal for Core2Duo E6420@2.13Ghz to be at temperature of 70°C with nothing big running?
[04:29] <quentin> btw ark tells me  that writing to an existing archive is not supported.
[04:31] <lovre> anyone herE=
[04:31] <frogonwheels> that sounds a bit warm lovre
[04:33] <yuriy> quentin: yeah ark is a bit unfinished right now. you can put multiple files in anarchive using tar by having them all match the same pattern (though I'm sure there are more specific ways)
[04:34] <yuriy> simplest, if you want all the files in the working directory, tar -czf archive.tar.gz *
[04:34] <quentin> yuriy: in fact, my method was ok. It's just that ark is wrecked. Tar -tvf on archive.tar.gz reports all the files...
[04:34] <yuriy> oh, ok then
[04:35] <quentin> yuriy: should I fill a bug report?
[04:35] <frogonwheels> lovre: I went through the whole CPU temp thing with my hyperthreaded CPU.  ended up getting a new case and new CPU fan.
[04:35] <lovre> frogonwheels: yea, now i ran a game, and it went up to 100°C... i think lm-sensors is correct..
[04:35] <frogonwheels> lovre: reboot and see what your bios tells you..
[04:36] <lovre> frogonwheels: C2D processors are not supposed to get warm, they are supposed to work @ 40°C in idle mode
[04:36] <sj400> Is anybody else having terrible problems with the whole DKMS/nVIDIA thing?
[04:36] <yuriy> quentin: file one against ark if you can reproduce the behavior
[04:36] <lovre> frogonwheels: looked in bios, says 80°C !!!
[04:36] <frogonwheels> lovre: strange - would have thought it would have crapped out by then.
[04:36] <sj400> Well, at least, I think it's the nvidia drivers.  It could just be the new KDE stuff, though.
[04:36] <frogonwheels> lovre: all those modern cpus have self-regulation - they tend to deliberately slow down and finally stop when they get to hot.
[04:36] <frogonwheels> too
[04:37] <quentin> yuriy: It's possible to reproduce it. But I know nothing about how to report correctly.
[04:37] <lovre> frogonwheels: what am i supposed to do? Can i return it to my vendor and ask for another processor? I didnt do anything to it, never overclocked or anything....
[04:37] <yuriy> quentin: ah that I can help with
[04:37] <frogonwheels> lovre: I'd suspect your case.
[04:38] <lovre> frogonwheels: so i cant do anything
[04:38] <frogonwheels> lovre:  What kind of case do you have?  I was pretty naive about cases till a couple of years ago.
[04:38] <yuriy> quentin: go here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug
[04:38] <quentin> yuriy: ok
[04:39] <lovre> frogonwheels: case would be where everything is, motherboard, etc?
[04:39] <lovre> frogonwheels: i dont know, regular midi case
[04:39] <frogonwheels> lovre: yep.. the bit around the outside.
[04:39] <yuriy> quentin: put in a summary, on the next page look through the bugs it shows to see if somebody has filed something similar already. if not, choose the i'd like to report a new bug option
[04:39] <frogonwheels> lovre: Look up  antec (I think) and Cooler-Master.
[04:39] <yuriy> quentin: for the package put in kdeutils
[04:40] <frogonwheels> lovre: they have some value-for-money cases that behave pretty well.
[04:40] <quentin> yuriy: ok.
[04:40] <lovre> frogonwheels: it has gotten up to 98°C and i only ran a video
[04:40] <lappen> im trying to configure my hdtv, though I cant get it to work with a resolution moren then 1024x768. Using xrandr -q only shows the regular screen 0 , no multiple displays. Any suggestion
[04:40] <yuriy> quentin: in the big information box, put the application (ark) the version of the application, of KDE, and of kubuntu that you are using
[04:40] <frogonwheels> lovre: yeah - crap case. They shouldn't sell that kind of cpu with crap cases.
[04:40] <yuriy> quentin: and detailed instructions of how to reproduce the bug and what goes wrong
[04:41] <frogonwheels> lovre: I can't tell you much more - do a bit of google research on cases
[04:41] <lappen> or to clarify, should xrandr -q output several displays when connecting my lcd to a dvi output and my hdtv to a hdmi output on the same gfx card
[04:41] <lovre> frogonwheels: ok, thank you
[04:41] <frogonwheels> lovre: I totally sympathise - I changed just my CPU fan , and it was better.. but not till I got a good case did it really improve.
[04:45] <lovre> frogonwheels: ok ill see what i can do.. thank you for your time
[04:46] <frogonwheels> np.  you should also make sure all your fans are actually running!
[04:47] <frogonwheels> oh.. and lovre  -  even if fans are working.. if there's a layer of dust between the fan and the CPU, the CPU won't cool down.
[04:49] <lovre> frogonwheels: you mean in the ribbs of the cooler?
[04:49] <frogonwheels> lovre: yeah.. have had that problem a few times.
[04:49] <frogonwheels> lovre: got this nice copper -finned heat sink.. and it works great..
[04:49] <frogonwheels> lovre: but it's also good for collecting dust.
[04:50] <lovre> frogonwheels: ill try to clean it... What would be best-buy cooler to buy?
[04:51] <frogonwheels> lovre: It's been a while.  I'd look at the brands like Antec and Cooler-master.. but if you google those names, you might find other brands along side them just as good.
[04:51] <lovre> ok
[04:51] <frogonwheels> lovre: ask somebody who deals with hardware on a more regular basis :)
[04:54] <lovre> frogonwheels: ok thanx
[04:54] <lovre> im off now
[04:54] <lovre> bye
[04:55] <Eruaran> !kpackagekit
[04:55] <Eruaran> aw
[04:57] <reggy> how to find sound setting in kubuntu 8.10, ...thanks
[04:59] <pipegeek> A question: Is there any way to force kwin to turn on desktop effects, even if it thinks you shouldn't?
[04:59] <quentin> yuriy: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdeutils/+bug/296168 Could you check if this is correct in terms of needed informations, clarity and all
[04:59] <pipegeek> I've been happily running compiz fusion for nearly a year with this card...
[04:59] <LF|Irssi> HI is there a good app so i can add customizable keyboard shortcuts for KDE?
[04:59] <pipegeek> running kubuntu intrepid here, and sorely disappointed :(
[05:01] <Eruaran> Does anyone have any status update on using packagekit for Kubuntu ?
[05:03] <quentin> or anyone?
[05:03] <yuriy> quentin: oh this is KDE3.. since you mentioned an unimplemented message, I assumed it was KDE4
[05:04] <yuriy> quentin: well, well done on the report, though I doubt that'll be fixed in KDE3 at this point
[05:04] <quentin> yuriy: really? I don't feel like running kde4 on my eeepc 1000 :(
[05:05] <reggy> how to enable sound system default ????
[05:05] <quentin> yuriy: + kde4 is still extremely unstable for a professionnal usage
[05:27] <quentin> I don't understand how dpkg --debug option works
[05:28] <quentin> I tried dkpg --debug=10 package.deb
[05:28] <JediatNight> is quentin an english name?
[05:28] <JediatNight> seems .. french to me
[05:29] <quentin> JediatNight: I'm French, but yes. It's an English name too.
[05:29] <quentin> JediatNight: Quentin Tarantino
[05:29] <quentin> JediatNight: the pronounciation is not the same, thought
[05:30] <quentin> anyways
[05:30] <JediatNight> i always drive by one . 'quentin' road
[05:30] <quentin> someone for the dkpg debugging option?
[05:31] <mister-tea> huh?
[05:31] <quentin> mister-tea: trying to understand how the dpkg debug option works
[05:31] <mister-tea> o
[05:31] <quentin> mister-tea: man and help don't help much.
[05:32] <mister-tea> did you try the french chanels?
[05:35] <mister-tea> !fr
[05:35] <mister-tea> sorry but thats about all I know
[05:36] <quentin> mister-tea .... I'm trying (very hard) to write in English and I find it pretty insulting when I get that kind of remarks...
[05:37] <quentin> And if you cannot understand what I'm saying, please tell me to restate it.
[05:37] <quentin> ...
[05:37] <mister-tea> sorry no  insult intened
[05:38] <quentin> mister-tea: so, why should I try the French channel?
[05:39] <lenny> I just installed kubuntu8.10 on an external drive. Then when I was playing with the desktop settings the screen went gray. I reinstalled to fix but it's still gray. Any ideas??
[05:39] <mister-tea> I just thought you may have better luck than here thats all
[05:39] <quentin> mister-tea: at this time of the day/night, the French channel is almost empty.
[05:39] <mister-tea> o ok
[05:39] <dig> try #ubuntu, it may help.
[05:41] <lenny> anyone had this weird gray desktop? I am wondering if it is something to do with the Nvidia driver?
[05:41] <mister-tea> excuse me for thinking that your native language might help
[05:42] <dig> lenny: maybe, more detail?
[05:42] <Crell> Hi all.  I have heard that it is possible to make Konqueror the default file manager in KDE 4 again, rather than Dolphin.  How does one go about doing that?
[05:42] <quentin> lenny: Could you type ctrl + alt +f2. Then logon and issue that command: cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log |grep EE
[05:43] <lenny> quentin: what will this do? I have to reboot to do it so want to be prepared
[05:43] <quentin> lenny: it will list the errors reported by X in its log file.
[05:43] <lenny> is there a command for altering the display driver from command line login?
[05:43] <lenny> oh cool
[05:44] <lenny> I'm pretty sure it all happened when I clicked on desktop effects
[05:45] <quentin> lenny: so then, you have to check if you're using the nv driver or the proprietary one
[05:45] <lenny> otherwise, it looked really primo before I killed the display
[05:45] <lenny> which one is buggy?
[05:45] <quentin> nv doesn't not support compositing
[05:46] <quentin> -not
[05:46] <lenny> so go prioritry if I want compiz etc running?
[05:46] <mister-tea> quentin: you are obviously more advanced than I so I can't help you
[05:46] <quentin> lenny: yep
[05:46] <lenny> word!
[05:46] <lenny> see you in 30 if I fail lol
[05:46] <quentin> lenny: k
[05:49] <quentin> mister-tea: it's ok. just tell me when I make a mistake so I can correct it.
[05:51] <mister-tea> I'm still a realtive noob so my knowledge is limited
[05:51] <mister-tea> I just try to help where I can
[05:51] <dig> is there any proprietary driver for nvidia to download?
[05:52] <mister-tea> !nvidia
[05:53] <quentin> dig: yes.
[05:54] <quentin> dig: apt-get install nvidia-glx-new nvidia-settings nvidia-kernel-common
[05:54] <quentin> dig: if you want to install them
[05:54] <dig> cool
[05:54] <mister-tea> whoa I'm impressed
[05:54] <quentin> dig: the best way is to follow the how-to
[05:54] <memeemeee> if I want to back up my entire fs using rsync should I be using the root as the user? how do I set up a root password on the ssh server so that I can have rsync operate as root remotely? I tried running sudo rsync but it gets permission issues
[05:56] <sj400> memeemeee: Not knowning completely what you're up to, that sound like overkill (and a big headache for you).
[05:56] <sj400> memeemeee: You sure that's what you want to do (even compiled binaries and the like)?
[05:56] <reggy__> how to fix widget-systemtray kubuntu 8.10
[05:58] <memeemeee> I wanted to back up my entire hard drive (laptop) through rsync. in case the HD fails that way I could just replace the HD and rsync back to the new one?
[05:59] <sj400> memeemeee: Hmm.  Okay.  Not they way I'd do it, but I guess if you've got the time....
[05:59] <sj400> memeemeee: So yeah, you'll need to run that as root.
[05:59] <quentin> memeemeee: ssh root@hostname should provide you with a root access to your server. But you need the root password. If you're using *ubuntu, it has been scramble during the installation process. But you can ssh with your normal user account then sudo su and finally change the root password.
[06:00] <quentin> memeemeee: then, having the root password, it should be easy.
[06:00] <mister-tea> I'm out
[06:00] <memeemeee> I think I realized that the mountpoint I was using was owned by root. that's why I was getting rsync errors. how do I change the root pw?
[06:00] <memeemeee> yes I know !root
[06:02] <dig> quentin: 8.10 already provides an easy interface to select proprietary nvidia drivers
[06:04] <quentin> dig: cool :)
[06:04] <dig> quentin: /etc/init.d/kdm restart works for you?
[06:06] <quentin> dig: never tried this. And I cannot test it right now.
[06:07] <dig> quentin: no problem
[06:07] <quentin> dig: I can test it on my laptop if you need
[06:09] <quentin> dig: no, doesn't work.
[06:09] <ectospasm> I'm having a brain fart, how do I install g++ in [K]Ubuntu?  aptitude search g++ is not working
[06:09] <dig> :-(
[06:10] <quentin> dig: but u can log as root
[06:10] <quentin> and re-launch kdm
[06:10] <dig> quentin: so you can still login, but just cannot restart kdm?
[06:10] <quentin> dig: yep
[06:11] <quentin> dig: ctrl+alt+F2
[06:11] <quentin> then root
[06:11] <quentin> passwd
[06:11] <quentin> kdm
[06:13] <sheLlLiNuX> !list
[06:13] <dig> quentin: what is tty1, tty2, etc...
[06:15] <sheLlLiNuX> !list
[06:15] <dig> quentin: never mind
[06:15] <quentin> dig: that's a virtual terminal TTY : Text TeletYpe
[06:16] <quentin> dig: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tty_(Unix)
[06:17] <dig> quentin: ctrl+alt+F2, root, pass, kdm ---> not working
[06:18] <quentin> dig: when does it fail?
[06:20] <dig> quentin: but instead of doing kdm, sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart works. Interesting
[06:26] <memeemeee> quentin, would my scheme work in case of HD failure?
[06:29] <quentin> memeemeee: I don't know. If you copy the entire hard-drive to another one. It should work if you exchange the drives.
[06:30] <memeemeee> ok another question for anyone used to CLI can I pipe the output of a program that's already running to a log file?
[06:30] <quentin> memeemeee: I mean, if you replace the original one by the backup and assuming that the datas are the same: I would say yes.
[06:31] <memeemeee> right quentin, so if I had a broken HD and replaced it with a new one, i could rsync the data back from the backup and it would be a perfect match?
[06:31] <dwidmann> memeemeee: use  blahblahblahblahblah > newlogfile
[06:32] <dwidmann> memeemeee: I'd use something like partimage to make your backup, if it needs to be an exact match of the entire disk.
[06:33] <quentin> memeemeee: The best way to know is to try it. Rsync to a backup HDD and test it.
[06:33] <memeemeee> but dwidmann how do I get the output from a program thats already running? I tried ^Z and then fg > logfile but it just logged the original command
[06:34] <dwidmann> memeemeee: logging regular information or debug/error information?
[06:35] <dwidmann> memeemeee: > is for stdout ... I think &> is for stderr
[06:35] <quentin> dwidmann memeemeee : dd may be the solution for the backup
[06:35] <quentin> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dd_(Unix)#Usage
[06:35] <frogonwheels> 2> is stderror
[06:36] <dwidmann> quentin: yeah, dd is another good option, I've been known to use it
[06:36] <dwidmann> frogonwheels: hmm, knew it was something like that ...
[06:36] <memeemeee> dwidmann, is there a way to pipe stdout to file after the original command has been executed? without starting over with command > log ? also, is there a way to get it to show both stdout and log it?
[06:36] <frogonwheels> oh #$)(*&#$() #$  why the f* is quanta my default web browser.
[06:36] <corinth> I installed KDE 4.1 over Ubuntu, just one issue. Both the KDE and the GNOME network manager start up. How do I alter start up programs for KDE 4.1?
[06:36]  * frogonwheels pulls himself together.
[06:37] <quentin> What I would do: cron + dd  + scp to get a backup on a regular basis.
[06:37] <dwidmann> frogonwheels: That's silly
[06:37] <frogonwheels> dwidmann: yeah - currently my whole system is screwed.
[06:38] <dwidmann> frogonwheels: so it's deeper than just that?
[06:38] <frogonwheels> oooh yeah.
[06:38] <frogonwheels> currently I have to login with gdm and gnome session
[06:38] <dwidmann> frogonwheels: That's no fun.
[06:38] <frogonwheels> upgraded to KDE4.1  (foool)
[06:38]  * quentin screwed by a .deb file................................
[06:38] <dwidmann> frogonwheels: yeah, you might want to make sure that upgrade finished, completely.
[06:39] <frogonwheels> I'm currently attempting to reinstall every single package.
[06:39] <frogonwheels> luckily my local mirror is in my ISP's 'free' area -and It doesn't count to my downloads.
[06:39] <dwidmann> frogonwheels: also try to "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop" and make sure nothing has been held back.
[06:40] <frogonwheels> nup.
[06:40] <frogonwheels> I mean.. I got that installed
[06:40] <corinth> No one knows how to change start up programs in KDE 4?
[06:40] <frogonwheels> I had it working (sorta), then I went and uninstalled all the obsolete packages.. and kapow
[06:41] <frogonwheels> corinth: it's in the control pannel somewhere.
[06:41] <dwidmann> corinth: well, autostarting applications can be started mainly by putting a script in ~/.kde/Autostart ... but if it isn't there, try quitting the application and see if it asks if you want it to start next time, and say no.
[06:41] <frogonwheels> corinth: it'll either be set to load up the session it saved when you logged out -
[06:41] <frogonwheels> corinth: which doesn't help if you crash.
[06:41] <dwidmann> corinth: another good way to do it is to disable session management so nothing lives between sessions, and set up what you need to autostart via ~/.kde/Autostart
[06:42] <corinth> dwidmann: Where do I do that?
[06:42] <dwidmann> corinth: systemsettings
[06:42] <dwidmann> corinth: advanced -> session manager
[06:42] <frogonwheels> dwidmann:  ~$ konqueror
[06:43] <frogonwheels> konqueror: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/kde4/lib/libkonq.so.5: undefined symbol: _ZN3KIO3Job9addSubjobEPS0_b
[06:43] <corinth> Thanks, I'll try it out with a restart. Be back in a few.
[06:44] <dwidmann> frogonwheels: looks like I may have a hit on a bug report for that
[06:44] <frogonwheels> yeah - but it's fairly old
[06:44] <dwidmann> nope, that ones old :\
[06:45] <RuslanPopov> re
[06:45] <memeemeee> is rm -r ~/.local/share/Trash/files/* the same as emptying the trash?
[06:46] <dwidmann> frogonwheels: try killing x, running sudo ldconfig, and logging back in.
[06:47] <frogonwheels> dwidmann: rebooted a few times.. but I'll try ldconfiging.
[06:47] <dig> just a question, does server edition normally come with GUI?
[06:47] <dwidmann> dig: no
[07:00]  * frogonwheels shakes his head.
[07:00] <frogonwheels> no good.
[07:05] <kkathman> heya dwidmann  :)
[07:05] <toby_> If I click on "display" in system settings, my screen goes black and I have to ctrl-alt-backspace. Is there another method by which I can enable the energystar powersaving on my monitor?
[07:11] <dwidmann> frogonwheels: no? darn, hmm, wonder if kbuildsycoca4 would do anything
[07:14] <frogonwheels> nah.
[07:14] <frogonwheels> maybe there's a symlink or  a dangling file somewher :(
[07:15] <frogonwheels> 'Start to backup everything and reinstall'  mode
[07:15] <frogonwheels> .. coming up.
[07:17] <dwidmann> frogonwheels: what version of kde4 do you have installed anyway?
[07:19] <frogonwheels>  4:4.1.2-0ubuntu4    dwidmann
[07:21] <dwidmann> frogonwheels: maybe the backup/reinstall isn't such a bad idea, but first, if you haven't already, you should try creating a new user, logging into it, and trying, just to rule out configuration issues.
[07:24] <frogonwheels> nah.
[07:24] <frogonwheels> I mean I tried and it didn't work.
[07:39] <heret1c> why aren't the program entries in the K-menu sorted alphabetically?
[07:40] <dig> not sure, usability issue perhaps?
[07:42] <heret1c> dig: i.e. "it's not a bug, it's a feature"?
[07:43] <heret1c> by that yardstick, KDE4 has a raft of features. 8)
[07:44] <heret1c> !k menu sort
[07:45] <marek_> hi what shoud i loa to use sata dvd drive? modprobe ... ?
[07:50] <dig> heret1c: may hlep ---> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=5087209
[07:54] <heret1c> dig: no joy. I troied using the  menu editor, but it wwere "upfating system settings" forever, over and over.
[07:56] <mahi> how do I get firefox to appear in my adept in the latest kubuntu?
[07:56] <frogonwheels> it's not called iceweasle now is it? (like in debian)
[07:56] <mahi> ?
[07:57] <frogonwheels> in debian, due to it's licence policy, they call firefox 'iceweasle'
[07:57] <frogonwheels> it's probably not that though.
[07:58] <mahi> will try
[08:08] <mahi> How do I turn on compiz on latest kubuntu
[08:35] <wizkoder> hy everybody
[08:39] <tiklado> how am i going to install packages in tar format?
[08:41] <tiklado> helps...
[08:42] <wizkoder> what packages?
[08:42] <tiklado> toesonline. i got it from sourceforge
[08:43] <tiklado> it is in tar.gz,
[08:44] <tiklado> i can open it using ark but i don't know how am i going to install it
[08:48] <tiklado> clr
[08:50] <tiklado> how am i going to install packages in tar.gz format in kubuntu?
[08:53] <RuslanPopov> just read about magic triple: ./configure && make && sudo make install OR read INSTALL file inside archive
[08:54] <cronde> anyone saw that crappy benchmark at phoronix?
[08:54] <cronde> i never thought that someone can be such stupid as person who did benchmark
[08:59] <corinth> Is there a fix/workaround for the messy background bug in KDE 4.1 yet? I know it stretches back before 4.1 as well.
[09:12] <luc_> I need an x xpert here I have got a big problem after I installed a second monitor
[09:13] <luc_> i don't get a graphical interface anymore
[09:13] <luc_> I have a presentation to finish today
[09:13] <frogonwheels> luc_: take the second monitor away?
[09:13] <luc_> donee it allready
[09:14] <luc_> doesn't help
[09:14] <luc_> error in log says something like identiefier allrady in use
[09:14] <frogonwheels> luc_: oh... erm.. copy your xorg.conf away and ..
[09:14] <frogonwheels> oh ok.  pastebin your xorg.conf  (/etc/X11) and the error message
[09:15] <luc_> i am from the new linux generation with little commandline expertertise
[09:15] <luc_> sorry i can't use pastebin
[09:15] <luc_> i am working from another machine
[09:16] <frogonwheels> luc_: you ssh in to your machine?
[09:16] <luc_> beacsuse the other is still in text mode (no chatsession an no inernet on the laptop)
[09:17] <luc_> Ok ssh
[09:17] <frogonwheels> luc_: This other machine, what flavour is it?
[09:17] <frogonwheels> (what Operating System)
[09:17] <luc_> the problem machine is a labtop kubuntu 8.04
[09:18] <frogonwheels> .. and the other one?
[09:18] <luc_> i am chatting from a similar installation on a pc
[09:18] <frogonwheels> excellent.  can you ssh into your laptop?
[09:19] <luc_> what client to use for this ( i normally work with win scp out of a virtual machine)
[09:20] <frogonwheels> run konsole and type  ssh <machinename>
[09:20] <luc_> don't know the best ssh client for windows
[09:20] <luc_> soirry linux
[09:21] <luc_> checking in synaptic for ssh client
[09:21] <frogonwheels> luc_: did you try typing ssh
[09:21] <frogonwheels> .. in a konsole...
[09:21] <frogonwheels> I know .. CLI is a scary place
[09:21] <frogonwheels> .. but you can do it.
[09:23] <luc_> no will do now
[09:23] <luc_> yes should work from console
[09:23] <luc_> konsole
[09:24] <frogonwheels> ok -  where are you at now?
[09:25] <luc_> frogonwheels: i need to restart the laptop
[09:26] <frogonwheels> luc_: .. because?
[09:26] <frogonwheels> ah.. actually just had a thought.
[09:26] <frogonwheels> can you get to the laptop console .. you might have a backup of prev config.
[09:26] <luc_> because I got stuck in a view file from yesterday night for the same problem
[09:26] <luc_> and couldn't gt out
[09:27] <frogonwheels> press  ctrl+alt+F2
[09:27] <luc_> I did din't work somehow
[09:28] <luc_> during startup I see no errors on x but a few attempts to build a screen
[09:29] <frogonwheels> ok.. login at the console
[09:29] <frogonwheels> cd /etc/X11
[09:29] <luc_> it does not respond to the hostname
[09:29] <frogonwheels> ls xorg.*
[09:29] <frogonwheels> ?
[09:30] <frogonwheels> luc_: login at the console of your laptop..
[09:30] <luc_> ok
[09:30] <frogonwheels> (what is it showing on your laptop at the moment?
[09:31] <ubuntu_> how do i install grub when i have installed windowsxp again?
[09:32] <luc_> xorgg.con xorg.conf1  ....2 xorg.conf.failsafe  xorg.conf.failsafe.bak
[09:32] <frogonwheels> luc_: ok ..    mv xorg.conf  xorg.conf.broken
[09:33] <frogonwheels> luc_:     cp xorg.conf.1 xorg.conf
[09:33] <frogonwheels> see how you go
[09:33] <frogonwheels> luc_: oh.. you might have to prepend those with 'sudo'
[09:33] <frogonwheels> luc_:  and  sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[09:34] <ubuntu_> anyone?
[09:35] <frogonwheels> .. you back in linuxland?
[09:35] <frogonwheels> ubuntu_ ^^
[09:36] <frogonwheels> ubuntu_ .. I mean you've booted from a rescue disk or something?
[09:37] <frogonwheels> ubuntu\
[09:37] <luc_> frogonwheels: I praie you for your help and the devlopes of xorg that they standard have a copy of the conf file
[09:37] <luc_> praise i meant
[09:37] <frogonwheels> luc_: np at all.. I presume it worked then!
[09:37] <ubuntu_> frogonwheels: yeah, i am running the live-cd now to recover from NTLDR
[09:37] <scomar>  ubuntu_: have a look here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[09:38] <ubuntu_> ok thanks
[09:40] <ubuntu_> scomar: does not work, it gives me an V
[09:40] <ubuntu_> Error 15: File not found
[09:42] <wizkoder> mount /dev/deinelinuxplatte /irgendwohinmount -o bind /dev /irgendwohin/devchroot /irgendwohin /bin/bashgrub-install --no-floppy /dev/deineplatte
[09:42] <wizkoder> but you have to bind more dir's
[09:43] <wizkoder> at least dev and proc I think
[09:43] <wizkoder> and sys
[09:44] <mahi> man this new kubuntu is not fun
[09:45] <frogonwheels> mahi: :|
[09:46] <frogonwheels> mahi: is anybody having fun yet?
[09:46] <mahi> I'm trying hard!
[09:46] <mahi> seriously
[09:47] <mahi> it's just been a long day of getting it and running
[09:47] <wizkoder> same here. switched back to 3.5
[09:47] <wizkoder> everything working here ^^
[09:47] <frogonwheels> mahi: Yeah .. I just upgraded and it screwed me up
[09:47] <frogonwheels> around.
[09:47] <mahi> aha, the truth is revealed by the frog
[09:48] <frogonwheels> .. sideways too.
[09:48] <mozzy> i cant get my head around two monitors on kde4 - using 3.5 for important stuff - kde4 seems to work better in suse 11.1 beta
[09:48] <frogonwheels> my lovely kubuntu box.. and I'm using gdm and gtk login.. 'cause kde don't work.
[09:49] <frogonwheels> gg have dinner. ttfn
[09:49] <mozzy> still not any where near perfect
[09:50] <mahi> how do you get compiz to kick in? I mean whats the point of linux if it doesn't look amazingly better?
[09:50] <mahi> sorry I have been having a drink
[09:51] <mahi> kubuntu finally drove me to it
[09:52] <wizkoder> set desktop effects to user. and install the compiz settings package
[09:53] <vlt> Hello. How can I remove a single entry from .kde/share/apps/klipper/history2.lst? (KDE 3.5)
[09:57] <ytaggs> could someone please help me...i have some ntfs partitions, and i want them to automount at startup..how do I do that?
[09:57] <IcyPolecat> hiya, have just installed Intrepid and now my fan continually spins up and down. The CPU temp is ok, 44.5 degrees C and the GPU temp is also fine. The only change made was to install v177 of the Nvidia Drivers... any ideas?
[09:58] <ytaggs> wich fan the one on the cpu?
[09:58] <IcyPolecat> Dunno - it's a laptop so difficult to tell without opening it up
[09:59] <SiDi> Hello people
[09:59] <ytaggs> mmm well u installed the nvidia drivers...maybe because of the effects the gpu its working harder
[09:59] <SiDi> I'd like to ask something to the people who are often on this channel : did you have, since 8.10 was released, an higher than usual number of people reporting their PC doesn't boot after an upgrade or a fresh install, and stays stuck in "Checking battery state [OK] - " ?
[10:00] <IcyPolecat> ytaggs: possibly but was running hardy with the older Nvidia driver and never once heard the fan spin up. PLus the temp and clock speed reported by nvidia-settings are low
[10:00] <ytaggs> u  r right
[10:00] <IcyPolecat> ytaggs: by the way, to mount the NTFS partitions at boot you need to add them to your /etc/fstab file
[10:01] <wizkoder> upgrade NEVER worked with ubuntu :-((( use it since 6.04
[10:01] <Bauldrick> i used to be able to open a .jar file by clicking it. I no longer can, how to set that up again in 8.10?
[10:01] <wizkoder> Always makes the system unbootable .-(((( No bit better the the remons guys....
[10:02] <IcyPolecat> ytaggs: something like /dev/hda2       /mnt/windows    ntfs    umask=0222      0       0
[10:02] <SiDi> Bauldrick, jar files are related to Java right ?
[10:02] <Bauldrick> yes
[10:02] <SiDi> Bauldrick, it seems the JVM is not installed by default in Ubuntu 8.10 (yeh i know it's not clever)
[10:02] <ytaggs> they are mounted but i want them to automount at startup
[10:03] <ytaggs> whay should i add to fstab??
[10:03] <IcyPolecat> ytaggs: becuase that will save you haveing to manually mount them
[10:03] <SiDi> Bauldrick, "sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jre" (proprietary one though)
[10:03] <IcyPolecat> *having
[10:04] <Bauldrick> SiDi: cheers
[10:04] <Bauldrick> SiDi: already newest version
[10:04] <ytaggs> what should i add to fstab in order to let the system automount them at startup?
[10:04] <IcyPolecat> ytaggs: sorry mate - thought that was a Why .. not a What. Which device is your ntfs partition?
[10:05] <SiDi> Bauldrick, weird then :/
[10:05] <SiDi> Bauldrick, you might have another JVM installed (the free one), but this one doesn't seem to work
[10:05] <SiDi> Give me a sec to look at the doc :)
[10:05] <ytaggs> how do i know??
[10:07] <IcyPolecat> ytaggs: can you mount it via Dolphin?
[10:07] <ytaggs> yes
[10:07] <Bauldrick> SiDi: in settings I seem to have reference to openjdk 6 policy tool and sun java 6 policy tool
[10:07] <ytaggs> it is mounted
[10:07] <IcyPolecat> ok so the driver is installed - in which case pull up a terminal and CAREFULLY run sudo fdisk -l
[10:07] <IcyPolecat> that's an L for Lima at the end
[10:08] <SiDi> Bauldrick, you got openjdk-6-jre installed ?
[10:09] <ytaggs> dev/sdb5 and dev/sdb6
[10:09] <ytaggs> these two
[10:09] <Bauldrick> SiDi: yeah appears so
[10:10] <SiDi> Bauldrick, i would recommand that you apt-get purge it and install the other one :) the openjdk one was just not working on my pc with 8.10
[10:10] <SiDi> and the sun one does seem to work
[10:10] <IcyPolecat> ytaggs: ok now run sudo ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid/ and take note (copy) the UUIDs for sdb5 and sdb6
[10:11] <ActionParsnip1> yo yo yo
[10:12] <ytaggs> whats the UUIDs??
[10:13] <ActionParsnip1> ytaggs: in what sense?
[10:13] <ytaggs> i dont know what u ra talking about
[10:13] <IcyPolecat> ytaggs: sorry the long strings in the left that look like 54707b22-05b5-452f-bbab-8b543161b599
[10:14] <ytaggs> ok
[10:14] <ytaggs> already done
[10:15] <IcyPolecat> right, then you'll need to make 2 directories under /media so sudo mkdir /media/ntfs1
[10:15] <IcyPolecat> and sudo mkdir /media/ntfs2
[10:15] <ytaggs> but there are already directories there because these partitions are mounted
[10:15] <IcyPolecat> ok - so skip that step
[10:15] <ytaggs> the problem is i want to automount them i dont want to do that each time i enter kubuntu
[10:16] <IcyPolecat> now you need to sudo vi /etc/fstab
[10:16] <ytaggs> ok
[10:16] <IcyPolecat> and add lines to the end to mount the ntfs partitions:
[10:16] <IcyPolecat> UUID=f3b68506-1c62-4c2d-b5be-14bc6c405227 /meda/ntfs1    ntfs    umask=0222      0       0
[10:17] <IcyPolecat> where UUID is your UUID for each partition and /media/ntfs1 is the directory you want them mounted to ... nearly there
[10:18] <ytaggs> ok thank u i will try
[10:18] <IcyPolecat> finally unmount the partitions from dolphin and then run sudo mount -av to mount them from the fstab. If this works then they should auto mount whenever you switch on your machine
[10:20] <SiDi> ntfs-3g, not ntfs, imo
[10:20] <andylockran> hey guys
[10:21] <IcyPolecat> ytaggs: SiDi is probably right :-) Don't actually use NTFS
[10:24] <petter_> new arrival :-)
[10:24] <andylockran> petter_: moi ?
[10:25] <SiDi> /dev/sda1	/media/Windows ntfs-3g rw,auto,user,exec 0	0     is the line i use for my NTFS partition
[10:25] <SiDi> It works well and allows read+write on the partition
[10:26] <ytaggs> ok thank u just one question
[10:26] <ytaggs> one of the mount point its called windows hd
[10:27] <ytaggs> how do i write it on fstab?
[10:27] <ytaggs> "windows hd" or windows%hd??
[10:27] <manish> my yahoo account in zimbra desktop is showing offline. how do i make it online
[10:27] <SiDi> "windows hd" or windows\ hd
[10:27] <SiDi>    a\ b is the same than "a b"
[10:27] <manish> is it possible to share internet through wifi in kubutu intrepid
[10:28] <ytaggs> yeah but a blank space??
[10:29] <petter_> andylockran: you?
[10:29] <petter_> hehe
[10:29] <andylockran> yeah.. I'm trialing KDE for the intrepid release, having been on gnome for the last 3 years.
[10:30] <andylockran> I _was_ just going to be using it on my laptop.. but first thing in work today I moved across on the work desktop too.
[10:30] <andylockran> Looks better on the bigger screen though I must say 2 x 19", rather than 1 x 15" laptop.
[10:32] <petter_> welcome to KDE then
[10:32] <petter_> kubuntu 8.10 rocks
[10:33] <ActionParsnip1> petter_: works better with fluxbox ;)
[10:35] <petter_> ActionParsnip1: interesting
[10:37] <andylockran> petter_: yeah, I'm pretty pleased thus far.
[10:37] <andylockran> However, the twitter widget crashes - and I've love to file a bug report
[10:37] <andylockran> is there an apport bug reported for KDE ?
[10:38] <ActionParsnip1> !bug
[10:38] <SiDi> petter_, out of 3 users that use Kubuntu on #ubuntu-fr's channel, 3 were stuck on boot on 2 last days :P kubuntu 8.10 rocks \o/
[10:38] <petter_> andylockran: I used to be a faithful slackware user back in the day, but went over to debian a few years ago
[10:39]  * andylockran started with a slackware deriv.. College Linux
[10:39] <andylockran> back in 04.
[10:39]  * ActionParsnip1 started with mandrake 7
[10:40] <petter_> hehe
[10:41] <ActionParsnip1> hence my love of kde
[10:41] <rjgsl> test
[10:41] <rjgsl> test
[10:41] <petter_> andylockran: slackware is robust but took quite a lot of configuring
[10:42] <andylockran> yeah.. College Linux was pretty awesome for 2004.. loads of useful apps for my uni course.
[10:42] <andylockran> (non CS related)
[10:44] <ActionParsnip1> cs?
[10:44] <gsliu> where are you all?
[10:44] <andylockran> computer science
[10:44]  * andylockran did a Psychology degree
[10:44] <ActionParsnip1> gsliu: in bed?
[10:44] <ActionParsnip1> andylockran: oic
[10:45] <andylockran> the "Now Playing" widget.. should it pick up what amaroK is currently playing?
[10:46] <andylockran> and what's the point of the plasma dashboard :)
[10:46] <ActionParsnip1> andylockran: no idea, its useless to me, some folks thrive on widgets
[10:47]  * andylockran is a thriver
[10:48]  * ActionParsnip1 pretty much uses yakuake only for nearly everything
[10:48] <cuznt> its eye candy too
[10:48] <cuznt> !yakuake
[10:48] <ActionParsnip1> !info yakuake
[10:49] <cuznt> thats uber geek stuff
[10:50] <ActionParsnip1> not really, i just use cli more than slow guis
[10:51] <gsliu> Wower?
[10:51] <gsliu> anyone ?
[10:51] <ActionParsnip1> !info wower
[10:52] <ActionParsnip1> gsliu: what is wower?
[10:52] <gsliu> world of warcraft
[10:52] <gsliu> online game
[10:52] <bazhang> !wow
[10:53] <ActionParsnip1> gsliu: yeah ive seen it doing the rounds
[10:53] <ActionParsnip1> wassup
[10:53] <ActionParsnip1> gsliu: http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS4169902864.html
[10:54] <gsliu> i think wine is better than cedega
[10:54] <bazhang> check #winehq for wine games gsliu
[10:56] <ActionParsnip1> gsliu: its built on wine with some more features from what ive seen
[10:56] <ActionParsnip1> plus cedea is paid for software
[10:56] <ActionParsnip1> WoW gets a platinum rating though so should run flawlwssly
[10:57] <ActionParsnip1> gsliu: make sure yor gfx drivers are installed and configured then off you go
[10:58] <gsliu> i want to know if i can use directx on ubuntu ?
[10:58] <gsliu> it seems directx it's not available for both wine and cedega
[10:59] <OxDeadC0de> wine and cedega do a lot of dx9 reimplimentation
[11:01] <ActionParsnip1> gsliu: thats a windows library, wine handles those calls and turns them into linux calls
[11:01] <ActionParsnip1> gsliu: you dont need to actually install directx if you have wine
[11:14] <andylockran> guys, that new BBC feed in totem.. is there a KDE equiv?
[11:16] <ActionParsnip1> andylockran: just open the feed in your desired player
[11:17] <andylockran> ActionParsnip1: it's some kind of plugin, rather than a feed
[11:18] <ActionParsnip1> andylockran: got a link?
[11:19] <andylockran> ActionParsnip1: if you open totem, it's in a drop down in the top right.
[11:19] <andylockran> other than that.. there's an article on BBC Backstage about it.
[11:19] <acke> hey. how do i execute ktorrent on the commandline?
[11:20] <acke> whats the default display number? like ktorrent --display X whats X?
[11:21] <DarkSmoke> andylockran:  lol. open up konsole and type ktorrent
[11:21] <DarkSmoke> sorry
[11:21] <DarkSmoke> i mean
[11:22] <acke> DarkSmoke: that doesnt work. it complains about not know what display to run on
[11:22] <DarkSmoke> acke:  lol. open up konsole and type ktorrent
[11:22] <DarkSmoke> lol
[11:22] <DarkSmoke> acke: you're doin it with sudo ?
[11:22] <andylockran> or alt=F2
[11:22] <acke> andylockran: remote ssh
[11:22] <ActionParsnip1> andylockran: you could fin dout where that links to
[11:23] <acke> heehe. ktorrent --display :0 seems to work
[11:23] <acke> lol
[11:23] <acke> sry
[11:25] <romo> zdar, jak to de?
[11:25] <DarkSmoke> :/
[11:25] <acke> would this work as a cronjob?
[11:26] <bazhang> !cz
[11:26] <acke> 00 03 * * * user ktorrent --display :0
[11:39] <fernando_> hola
[11:40] <fernando_> alguien me puede ayudar??
[11:40] <bazhang> espanol?
[11:40] <fernando_> si
[11:40] <bazhang> !es
[11:45] <fernando_> #ubuntu-es
[11:46] <bazhang> fernando_, type /j #ubuntu-es
[11:51] <ilham> hello
[11:58] <Dr_Willis> !medibuntu
[11:59] <bazhang> need some help setting up dual screen :)
[12:00] <Dr_Willis> Oh? what video card?
[12:01] <bazhang> intel 965, (not mine) carlinhos in #ubuntu :)
[12:01] <Dr_Willis> No idea on intel.
[12:01] <bazhang> ok thanks Dr_Willis :)
[12:01] <bazhang> if you dont know then it is a lost case
[12:02] <Dr_Willis> I dont own a single machine withintel video
[12:02] <Dr_Willis> dont think i ever have.. well not in the last 7+ years at least
[12:02] <Dr_Willis> ;)
[12:02] <bazhang> hehe
[12:06] <Bauldrick> i seem to have kanackered java on my system completely now, what should i be using ?
[12:07] <Bauldrick> typing java gives : program 'java' can be found in the following packages
[12:08] <Dr_Willis> I alwyas install the 'kubuntu-restricted-extras' package it grabs java and flash and fonts and other bits
[12:08] <Dr_Willis> sounds like java either isent installed.. or not in your path
[12:09] <Bauldrick> if i removed kubuntu-restricted or --reinstalled would that bring everything else with it?
[12:09] <Dr_Willis> since its a meta-package proberly not.. could try reinstalling it i guess
[12:10] <Ongavezir> Hallelujja testevrek
[12:12] <Bauldrick> i need openjdk-6-jre-headless ?
[12:15] <mschiff> My    I have a german installation of kubuntu 8.10 and my kontact is half german and half english.. any hints somebody?
[12:17] <Bauldrick> does anybody also have trouble when deleting off of an SD card, returns to login screen?
[12:19] <andylockran> nope... just done it now too.
[12:23] <Dr_Willis> Bauldrick:  you mean to say you delete a file from a sd card with the kde file manager,, and X crashes back to KDM?
[12:25] <blenderman345> Hey all, Kubuntu help please?
[12:25] <Bauldrick> Dr_Willis: yes, not everytime, but fairly frequently
[12:25] <blenderman345> :)
[12:26] <blenderman345> I need to make  zip file or tar.gz file with a folder in it.
[12:26] <blenderman345> a zip file
[12:26] <blenderman345> or tar/gz
[12:26] <RurouniJones> right click on folder and select "compress"
[12:27] <RurouniJones> then choose thet ype
[12:27] <blenderman345> there is no "compress" on Kubuntu
[12:27] <blenderman345> I don't see any compress
[12:28] <blenderman345> hello?
[12:28] <mschiff> blenderman345: under actions?
[12:29] <bazhang> blenderman345, what are you trying to do
[12:29] <blenderman345> actions....
[12:29] <blenderman345> it says actions> 1. Create Slideshow, 2. Terminal create or something
[12:29] <blenderman345> I'm trying to create a zip, or tar.gz
[12:30] <bazhang> then create one
[12:31] <blenderman345> what?
[12:31] <bazhang> blenderman345, you can use cli?
[12:31] <blenderman345> cli?
[12:31] <bazhang> the terminal
[12:31] <RurouniJones> blenderman345: you on KDE 3.5 or KDE4?
[12:31] <blenderman345> Yep
[12:31] <blenderman345> yes
[12:31] <bazhang> !tar
[12:31] <bazhang> blenderman345, read above
[12:31] <blenderman345> I'm using Kubuntu 8.10
[12:32] <blenderman345> I don't need to open it actually, I just need to create it.
[12:32] <RurouniJones> Ah, maybe a KDE4 thing then. I am on 8.04
[12:32] <blenderman345> Get to 8.10.
[12:32] <blenderman345> seriously
[12:32] <alberto> ciao
[12:32] <RurouniJones> Hell no
[12:33] <blenderman345> well then anyone on 8.10
[12:33] <blenderman345> ?
[12:33] <RurouniJones> !kde4
[12:33] <RurouniJones> You might want to ask in there
[12:33] <Guest48193> me is in 8.10
[12:33] <blenderman345> Uh. help?
[12:33] <blenderman345> ok, I need to create a zip pr .gz
[12:34] <blenderman345> to zip up a folder to stick on graphicall.org, (Blender build)
[12:34] <Guest48193> you have try with ark?
[12:34] <blenderman345> to create?
[12:34] <blenderman345> I can open with
[12:34] <siswa> wawww
[12:34] <blenderman345> but not make it
[12:35] <siswa> help me
[12:35] <Guest48193> only a moment
[12:35] <blenderman345> what?
[12:35] <blenderman345> ok I gtg now,bye
[12:35] <siswa> help me pls
[12:35] <siswa> haloo
[12:35] <Guest48193> what?
[12:36] <siswa> any body can help   me_
[12:36] <siswa> ohhh no
[12:36] <Bauldrick> siswa: do you need a doctor?
[12:36] <Guest48193> siswa what do you want?
[12:36] <RurouniJones> !ask |  siswa
[12:36] <Guest48193> XD
[12:36] <siswa> zup
[12:36] <siswa> yup
[12:36] <RurouniJones> Assumine you aren't a troll of course
[12:37] <Guest48193> (guys....how i can change my nick? XD)
[12:37] <siswa> ok taanks
[12:38] <RurouniJones> /nick Blah
[12:38] <Guest48193> thk^^
[12:38] <Novalgina2Fast> wonderful
[12:38] <RurouniJones> Sounds like the name of a bond girl
[12:38] <noaXess> hi all
[12:38] <noaXess> is it normal that kpdf can't see pdf-form fields?
[12:38] <Novalgina2Fast> XD
[12:39] <White_Pelican> what is XD?
[12:39] <Novalgina2Fast> why don't you use okular?
[12:39] <RurouniJones> noaXess: Yes
[12:39] <RurouniJones> kpdf support for pdf-form fields is...well, isn't
[12:40] <Novalgina2Fast> but siswa and his question? XD
[12:40] <Novalgina2Fast> ah yeah now i remember why i am here XD
[12:40] <bentob0x> is it possible to update to 4.1.3 on hardy?
[12:40] <Novalgina2Fast> i don't think so
[12:41] <Novalgina2Fast> but i don't know
[12:41] <Dr_Willis> i dont think so either.. there may be some PPA repos...
[12:41] <White_Pelican> I don't think so either
[12:41] <Novalgina2Fast> so
[12:41] <noaXess> ok.. will use okular
[12:41] <tictric> I don't think at all
[12:41] <Dr_Willis> foxit is a nice pdf viewer also. :) not in the repos however
[12:41] <Novalgina2Fast> when i do sudo apt-get update this mess appear
[12:41] <White_Pelican> it's my understanding tht kubuntu harsdy was never going to be lts
[12:42] <White_Pelican> hardy*
[12:42] <bentob0x> LTS is for KDE 3.5.X only I believe
[12:42] <bentob0x> KDE 4 is 'cutting edge'
[12:42] <White_Pelican> bleeding edge is more like it :)
[12:42] <bentob0x> canonical couldn't provide rock-solid LTS on KDE 4
[12:42] <bentob0x> yea
[12:42] <bentob0x> :)
[12:42] <JontheEchidna> KDE isn't LTS at all in Hardy
[12:42] <bentob0x> ah ok
[12:42] <Novalgina2Fast> error GPG: http://packages.medibuntu.org intrepid Release.....NO_PUBKEY 2EBC26B60C5A2783
[12:42] <bentob0x> see how they treat us :(
[12:43] <White_Pelican> I hear ya, bentob0x
[12:43] <White_Pelican> I think it will backfire on them
[12:43] <Bauldrick> does ark support .jar files?
[12:44] <White_Pelican> I come in here several times a day and hear about nothing but problems
[12:44] <RurouniJones> Bauldrick: Yes as far as I remember
[12:44] <Novalgina2Fast> (this is official kubuntu support XD what you want to hear?^^)
[12:45] <White_Pelican> what does XD mean?
[12:45] <Novalgina2Fast> XD is like a face X is the eyes and D the mouth
[12:45] <Novalgina2Fast> imagine it^^
[12:45] <White_Pelican> oic
[12:45] <Novalgina2Fast> ^^=eyes tooo...happy eyes
[12:46] <Novalgina2Fast> soo someone can help me?:-P
[12:46] <Novalgina2Fast> error GPG: http://packages.medibuntu.org intrepid Release.....NO_PUBKEY 2EBC26B60C5A2783(with sudo apt-get update)
[12:47] <Dr_Willis> Novalgina2Fast:  you did follow the directions at medibuntu and added teh gpg keys?
[12:47] <Bauldrick> RurouniJones: sorry, but ark should open .jar file as if I'd typed java -jar in terminal?
[12:48] <Novalgina2Fast> no...but i don't know how to do this
[12:48] <Dr_Willis> the commands are rigth there at the meduibuntu web site.. under the repo tab
[12:48] <RurouniJones> I have no idea since I don't know what that command does
[12:48] <Novalgina2Fast> ok now i search in wiki ubuntu
[12:48] <Dr_Willis> !medibuntu
[12:48] <Novalgina2Fast> thk a lot dr_willis^^
[12:50] <Novalgina2Fast> ok now work
[12:50] <Novalgina2Fast> thank^^
[12:50] <Novalgina2Fast> s*
[12:50] <bentob0x> http://xkcd.com/149/
[12:51] <BluesKaj> howdy
[12:51] <Novalgina2Fast> ahaaahahahahaha
[12:51] <Dr_Willis> hmmm
[12:53] <Novalgina2Fast> soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[12:53] <Novalgina2Fast> someone want to do conversation?
[12:53] <Novalgina2Fast> no Konversation!
[12:53] <Novalgina2Fast> ok i stop now
[12:53] <Novalgina2Fast> .....
[12:54] <RurouniJones> !offtopic | Novalgina2Fast
[12:56] <White_Pelican> if I want kde 4.1.3 in Hardy would I have to compile the whole thing myself?
[12:56] <Dr_Willis> White_Pelican:  or look at the PPA repos and someone may be workingon them
[12:56] <JontheEchidna> yes^
[12:56] <JontheEchidna> you would have to compile it yourself
[12:56] <White_Pelican> ppa repos?
[12:56] <Dr_Willis> !ppa
[12:57] <Dr_Willis> dont expect much support  in here  if you use them. :P
[12:58] <White_Pelican> understood, Dr_Willis
[12:59] <White_Pelican> where are the ppa repos?
[12:59] <Dr_Willis> read the url the bot gave above?
[12:59] <White_Pelican> yes I did
[12:59] <Dr_Willis> eachperson has their own personal repo you add.
[12:59] <White_Pelican> just gives general rules
[12:59] <Dr_Willis> so bubba  will hjave his own.. and barbie will have her own.. each get added  indivitually
[13:00] <Dr_Willis> Installing software from a PPA .......
[13:01] <White_Pelican> I think I would rather just build it
[13:01] <White_Pelican> which packages would I have to build and what about dependenceis?
[13:01] <Dr_Willis> No idea
[13:01] <White_Pelican> dependencies*
[13:01] <bentob0x> what is so different between 8.10 and 8.04 for the KDE4 updates not to be released on both platforms?
[13:02] <White_Pelican> a decision to abandon kde 3
[13:02] <Dr_Willis> getting them working for  8.04 would take time away from the devs working on the 8.10 I imagine is the Biggest issue.
[13:02] <Dr_Willis> a lot of kubuntu dev decisions seem to be because of the lack of manpower.
[13:02] <Bauldrick> stupid question, but.. I can't open my .jar file in dolphin (ark opens it but as a zip file) - use to work
[13:03] <JontheEchidna> bentob0x: the packages install to an entirely different location in Hardy so that KDE3 and 4 can be installed at the same time
[13:03] <bentob0x> ah, interesting
[13:03] <bentob0x> but I thought that KDE by default had a new folder for kde4?
[13:04] <bentob0x> and I thought that kde3 and kde4 could be both installed together?
[13:04] <bentob0x> if not it's a bad architectural decision ...
[13:04] <White_Pelican> JontheEchidna, do you know what I have to download to compile all of kde 4.1.3 on my own?
[13:05] <JontheEchidna> bentob0x: we had to patch KDE to have that behavior
[13:06] <JontheEchidna> White_Pelican: not exactly, no
[13:07] <JontheEchidna> if you want to build KDE yourself you should build trunk anyway
[13:07] <Dr_Willis> I imagine 4.1.3 will be out soon enough....
[13:07] <White_Pelican> is there anyone here who does? I's love to take advantage of the bug fixes
[13:07] <White_Pelican> I'd*
[13:08] <bentob0x> I just asked the devel mailing list if there will be 8.04 updates at all
[13:08] <robin0800> Dr_Willis: 4.1.3 is out but only available on backports
[13:08] <Dr_Willis> we finally got backports! :)
[13:08] <Dr_Willis> last i looked wasent much in there.. heh.. that was 3 weeks ago
[13:09] <Dr_Willis> !backports
[13:09] <robin0800> Dr_Willis: read the november kubuntu  annoucments
[13:10] <White_Pelican> actuallyi went to the kde page on 4.1.3 and they give a list of the source necessary to build it
[13:10] <White_Pelican> and links to said sources
[13:10] <White_Pelican> will prolly take me 2 days
[13:12] <robin0800> White_Pelican: I think its easier to download 4.1.2 and then update much quicker!
[13:12] <White_Pelican> I already have 4.1.2 but I have hardy
[13:13] <White_Pelican> I use kde 3 in my desktop and just use the kde 4 programs
[13:13] <White_Pelican> because I have an old legacy nvidia card, I can't upgrade to Intrepid
[13:13] <White_Pelican> for now that is
[13:14] <Dr_Willis> i see kde 4.1.3 in the  package maanger after i enabled backports. :)
[13:14] <BluesKaj> White_Pelican:  the newer nvidia and ati cards have poor 8.10 support as well. :(
[13:14] <JontheEchidna> White_Pelican: they have legacy drivers for intrepid now
[13:14] <White_Pelican> hmmm
[13:15] <JontheEchidna> at least for the 96 series drivers
[13:15] <JontheEchidna> 71 series drivers still don't work
[13:15] <BluesKaj> unless the new updates contain new drivers
[13:16] <robin0800> White_Pelican: for info there are not many changes between 4.1.2 and 4.1.3
[13:16] <White_Pelican> ok good to know
[13:16] <White_Pelican> I will wait till 4.2
[13:16] <Dr_Willis> service pack 1 :)
[13:17] <bentob0x> I just hate those show stoppers
[13:17] <bentob0x> like nvidia
[13:17] <Dr_Willis> my 8800gtsxxx is working well.. had a slight issue with the laptops nvidia card.. but its working now
[13:17] <bentob0x> it's just sooo beautiful to install Ubuntu for instance and having not to worry about drivers
[13:17] <White_Pelican> yep
[13:18] <bentob0x> except for nvidia and other proprietary drivers
[13:18] <bentob0x> "ooh, ooh, we're scared of reverse-engeneering our hardware"
[13:18] <bentob0x> ffs
[13:18] <White_Pelican> I bought this card thinking it would not be an issue
[13:18] <White_Pelican> boy was I wrong
[13:19] <Dr_Willis> proberly wont be an issue in a few weeks/months/kernel updates :)
[13:19] <bentob0x> and I'd love to see DirectX being open-sourced
[13:19] <bentob0x> but that's MS shooting themselves in the foot
[13:19]  * Dr_Willis would love to see DirectX shot in the foot.
[13:19] <bentob0x> :)
[13:20] <BluesKaj> wifes new HP pc with onboard nvidia handles the Intrepid 8.10 live cd terribly ..all kinds of jittery artifacts at thenative monitor res
[13:21] <Dr_Willis> Yea. the 8.10 dident get my laptops res right either..  it used the vesa driver.. not the nv driver. i had to manually edit the xorg.conf and restart X on it
[13:21] <Dr_Willis> I do have that 'usb-startup-disk'  installed now on this thumbdrive.. and its using the nvidia driver. :)
[13:22] <White_Pelican> nvidia is stupid, to attach themselves to only one OS, and a bad one at that
[13:22] <Dr_Willis> nvidia supports OS-X also! :)
[13:22] <BluesKaj> it has to do with profit
[13:22] <Dr_Willis> has to do with manpower also.
[13:23] <White_Pelican> hmmm
[13:24] <BluesKaj> my ati card is 3yrs old now , dunno if that's considered legacy or not. I'm not about to buy a new card unless I know it's suppotred
[13:24] <bentob0x> what's the status on those ATI open-source drivers btw?
[13:25] <Dr_Willis> Its often best with linux to not buy the 'latest' :) but   the last generation.
[13:25] <bentob0x> see, they dare to open-source their code, which might make me want to change my video card
[13:25] <Dr_Willis> bentob0x:  last i heard.. ati had issues also..
[13:25] <Dr_Willis> but i dont have any ati other then my old x200m in the laptop
[13:25] <bentob0x> I know they're still working on it
[13:25] <BluesKaj> yes Dr_Willis, both ati and nvidia have probs
[13:25] <Dr_Willis> 'still working on it' for a long time. :)
[13:25] <Dr_Willis> lets all go get Matrox!@
[13:26] <Dr_Willis> You never hear about problems with those..
[13:26] <RurouniJones> http://wiki.x.org/wiki/radeon
[13:26] <RurouniJones> Info on the OSS ATI driver
[13:26] <RurouniJones> Right, orf to play S.T.A.L.K.E.R (God I love wine)
[13:27] <Dr_Willis> >hic<
[13:35] <BluesKaj> editing the xorg file in 8.10 just results in a non startup text scrn
[13:38] <dr_willis> 'editing xorg.conf' Fail! :)
[13:38]  * dr_willis has to stop  going to those web sites
[13:40] <BluesKaj> dr_willis: have you checked the xorg.conf on 8.10 ? ..It's very limited and minimal ..heavy dependence on HAL
[13:40] <dr_willis> BluesKaj,  yes it does.. but that dident stop me from using my old nvidia xorg.conf :) or the nvidia-settings tool
[13:41] <dr_willis>  I had to do a bit of tweaking on the 'usb-setup-disk' usb thumb drive it gernated also to get it to use the nvidia drivers also.
[13:41] <kolja> hi alll, Q: where to find "System Services" on kubuntu 8.10 ?
[13:45] <BluesKaj> kolja: system settings/advanced/system services
[13:45] <wizkoder> What does HAL do? Yesterday I saw the xorg.conf which is close to empty ^^
[13:45] <BluesKaj> !HAL | wizkoder
[13:50] <jonathan__> hello!
[13:50] <jonathan__> I've a question!
[13:51] <jonathan__> all my filemanagers like dolphin or konqueror are VERY slow on thumbnail generation! I don't need qualitativ thumbnails, only a minimal preview of my images. But i don#t find any way to tell konqueror to generate only low quality thumbnails...
[13:51] <kolja> BluesKaj: any reason why i cannot see it ?
[13:52] <BluesKaj> kolja:  it's on the advanced tab
[13:53] <jonathan__> hm, i think your watching stargate atlantis? :D
[13:53] <kolja> BluesKaj: which is its icon ?
[13:55] <ilham_> jonathan__: How if use smaller size. is there any different?
[13:55] <BluesKaj> kolja:  you on Intrepid ?
[13:56] <kolja> yep 8.10
[13:57] <kolja> is there a site used here to past images?
[13:57] <kolja> !past
[13:58] <Leander256> i suggest imageshack.us
[14:00] <BluesKaj> kolja:  click on the kmenu ,system settings, advanced tab , Service manager
[14:02] <kolja> BluesKaj: sorry it's in italian : http://img357.imageshack.us/my.php?image=systemsettingsxu8.jpg
[14:03] <MaxZda> i have a question. the "now playing" widget in kde4 doesn't show anything from amarok2. is there a workaround or should i install something?
[14:03] <kolja> BluesKaj: "Service Manager" it's about KDE Services and not System Services isn't it?
[14:05] <BluesKaj> kolja:  it's load on demand and startup services , so that should be what you're looking for
[14:05] <kolja> (thnx Leander256)
[14:07] <kolja> BluesKaj: (IMHO) i'm not agree with you.. anyway i'll keep searching
[14:08]  * ptl 
[14:09] <BluesKaj> kolja:  what are you looking for ?
[14:10]  * dr_willis has no idea..
[14:10] <dr_willis> :)
[14:10] <BluesKaj> maybe system monitor will help
[14:12] <BluesKaj> dr_willis: can you suggest a fast sources server? The .ca server are restricted to 35kb/sec , it seems
[14:12] <kolja> BluesKaj: a GUI where enable/disable system services (rc level)
[14:12] <kolja> like httpd / mysql etc..
[14:13] <dr_willis> BluesKaj,  i just use the us ones.. so cant tell ya of any faster
[14:13] <dr_willis> !sysv
[14:13] <dr_willis> Hmm
[14:13] <dr_willis> !Upstart
[14:13] <dr_willis> Theres some Sysv tools in th repos also. for manageing those.
[14:14] <dr_willis> and some command line tool. but i forget its naem,
[14:14] <ptl> where one can get up-to-date info on KDE and DBUS?
[14:15] <dr_willis> dbus homepage :) -->   http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/dbus  perhaps..
[14:16] <dr_willis> http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=Porting+KDELibs+to+D-Bus
[14:18] <ptl> I know
[14:18] <ptl> I've seen those pages
[14:18] <ptl> they say nothing about KDE dbus commands
[14:19] <dr_willis> perhaps ask in #kde then.
[14:20] <ptl> will do
[14:21] <kolja> Q : anyone got problems shearing folders?
[14:22] <dr_willis> I use samba to make shares all the time
[14:23] <jobe> whats the root password on the livecd? leaving it blank doesnt work. in case youre wondering, im reinstalling grub bootloader and its asking for it...
[14:23] <wizkoder> I have perfekt access to all the net drives of my company :-)  (I am th eonly linux user so far ^^)
[14:24] <kolja> dr_willis: did you try kde gui for shearing folders ? (dolphin, right click on a folder, properties, share tab)
[14:25] <mh_> Is it possible to remove kde4 and install kde3 on 8.10?
[14:25] <wizkoder> I have access to the exchange server and even can access the SAP. So no problems here anymore :-)))
[14:25] <dr_willis> kolja,  i dont need to. :) i set up the homes to be shared. - that feature has worked for me in the past with gnome..
[14:25] <dr_willis> kolja,  some times you need tomanually install the samba server first for that to work
[14:26] <wizkoder> jobe: you need to change ito the installed linux
[14:26] <kolja> yes, thnx dr_willis
[14:26] <dr_willis> jobe,  hmm.. its blank here I thought..  i just do a sudo -s to get a root shell.
[14:27] <jobe> ok thanks
[14:27] <wizkoder> this is what you have to do (posted it earlier already :-) ):
[14:27] <wizkoder> mount /dev/deinelinuxplatte /irgendwohinmount -o bind /dev /irgendwohin/devmount -o bind /sys /irgendwohin/sysmount -o bind /proc /irgendwohin/procchroot /irgendwohin /bin/bashgrub-install --no-floppy /dev/deineplatte
[14:30] <nighty_> hi
[14:31] <nighty_> what do i need to share my internet connection with nat?
[14:31] <nighty_> i want to give my laptop an internetconnection
[14:35] <wesley> is the iphone supported under Kubuntu
[14:37] <andylockran> wesley: in terms of what?
[14:37] <andylockran> music management = no (unless phone unlocked)
[14:39] <wesley> to put music files on it
[14:44] <wizkoder> wesley: Its always best to check before buying if hardware is working ^^
[14:45] <wesley> its a phone
[14:46] <wesley> i hope i can put music on it
[14:46] <wizkoder> so use it for phoning ^^ (sorry could't resist)
[14:49] <rocme> hi
[14:49] <wesley> i hope i can put my music on it, but i go see for iphone support
[14:49] <rocme> i have a problem with kopete since i installed kubuntu 8.10
[14:49] <rocme> if there is an open conservation window and someone writes sth to me in this window, knotify crashs
[14:50] <rocme> here is a screenshot: http://rocme.wgchaos.info/knotify.crashed.jpeg
[14:50] <wesley> http://matt.colyer.name/projects/iphone-linux/index.php?title=Main_Page
[14:50] <wesley> i will open some bugs for ubuntu for iphone
[14:50] <p_masho> I'm a bit confused how to upgrade to 4.1.3? I've cheked the "Unsuported updates" but dont see 4.1.3?
[14:51] <rocme> I pasted the full error msg here: http://rocme.wgchaos.info/knotify4.kcrash
[14:51] <rocme> I dont't understand whats wrong with it :(((
[14:52]  * p_masho wonders how I've using 4.1.2 but the "kubuntu-kde4-desktop" package is not installed !
[14:53] <wesley> doesn´t kmobile support the iphone
[14:55] <rocme> anyone any suggestions? i don't know what to do :(
[14:56] <DaSkreech> p_masho: You installed it yourself?
[14:57] <p_masho> this machine has gone from ubuntu to kde3 to kde 4..
[14:57] <DaSkreech> p_masho: Update and run sudo update-apt-xapian-index then you should be able to upgrade
[14:59] <vit> como configuro hp 4250 en kubuntu
[14:59] <DaSkreech> !es
[14:59] <wizkoder> english?
[14:59] <p_masho> DaSkreech: update-apt-xapian-index is not installed?
[14:59] <vit> n printer
[15:00] <DaSkreech> p_masho: Umm ok try just going to changes and hitting upgrade then
[15:00] <p_masho> here's the sources http://rafb.net/p/ZzzBQ992.html
[15:00] <vit> help. i need install mi hp 4250n printer in kubuntu
[15:03] <p_masho> 4.1.3 dont appear anywhere?
[15:04] <Zhopapaa> A chem Kubuntu otlichaetsa ot komara?
[15:05] <sokol> Zhopapaa: vsem :)
[15:05] <genii> !ru | Zhopapaa
[15:06] <wesley> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/296351
[15:16] <martijn> i have just installed kubuntu intrepid, but xorg does not want to load x.
[15:16] <s0undt3ch> dam, luks encripted devices are not recognized again :\
[15:16] <s0undt3ch> running intrepid here
[15:16] <martijn> anyone can help?
[15:16] <s0undt3ch> I have to mount them buy hand
[15:19] <martijn> nobody?
[15:21] <wesley> apple supports illegall use off Windows!! by don´t giving linux users itunes
[15:21] <martijn> can anyone help me?  i already did an dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[15:22] <mircea> hi, i have the "qtcurve style not remembered" problem, is there a fix for it?
[15:23] <courtjesterg> good morning
[15:25] <courtjesterg> noticed when i first stat up aand clicked on my k on the left hand side when it brought up it was glitched like a tv screen gone baad and went back to normal anbody knows how to fix tthis little problem i already used envy for my graphics  card driver
[15:26] <courtjesterg> talk to me
[15:26] <courtjesterg> i know 340 ppl are reading me
[15:27] <courtjesterg> i wonder if i bought the box what would be on it hm
[15:27] <martijn> courtjesterg: it looks like all are gone, they do not awnser my question either
[15:27] <courtjesterg> me wonders if it can be downloaded
[15:28] <courtjesterg> the linux box was put to together and sold in stores for people who don't have the interent connection and have everything they need right there in the box
[15:34] <wesley> Send a mail to my provider
[15:36] <wesley> They don´t say you the Iphone does not work under Linux
[15:38]  * kniolet_ wonders if they will even know wwhat linux is...
[15:41]  * wesley I wonder that to, just image i have to pay them 32,50 for something that will not work on ubuntu
[15:43] <wesley> no wonder that so much people dual-boot
[15:45] <bdog> anyone having problems with icons in kde 4?
[15:46] <andylockran> scrollbars me .
[15:46] <bdog> my icons become white blanks after awhile
[15:48] <kkathman> bdog have  you tried turning effects off and see if that clears it up?
[15:48] <bdog> not yet/
[15:49] <kkathman> bdog  system settings -> Desktop  turn off "Enable desktop effects" and see if that clears it up
[15:49] <kkathman> Enable Desktop Effects is the major cause of many artifacts
[16:01] <wizkoder> Bring the iphone back and get a freerunner :-)
[16:05] <bdog> now my boot is hanging at "checking battery state"
[16:05] <bdog> it's not on a battery
[16:10] <legodude> anyone know how to change the name of a printer?
[16:10] <legodude> bdog: you sure it is hanging?
[16:10] <legodude> try switching to another console
[16:10] <legodude> might just be X not working
[16:12] <trappist> anybody got a howto to switch to compiz on intrepid instead of using kde4.1's builtin effects?
[16:12] <mircea> hi, i have the "qtcurve style not remembered" problem, is there a fix for it?
[16:12] <wesley> wizkoder, i know something better just install Windows for free
[16:13] <wizkoder> good idea :-)
[16:13] <wesley> Just making dual-boot
[16:13] <wesley> And playing games without problems
[16:13] <p_masho> can anyone help please, going crazy. I cant seem to upgrade to 4.1.3, have 4.1.2 installed. Ive followed http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.1.3 and http://sayakb.blogspot.com/search/label/KDE413Testing.  Some items appear as "upgradable" but cant seem to be able to upgrade them .. here the sources.list http://rafb.net/p/cDuTl427.html.
[16:14] <p_masho> desperatley after the fix for dolphin !
[16:14] <wizkoder> wesley: is there a reason for u to use linux anysway?
[16:14]  * genii sips
[16:15] <skullzeek> join #ubuntu-ru
[16:15] <skullzeek> sorry )
[16:16] <wesley> wizkoder, only because its free, and i like kde but more then that not really i can work with linux,windows abd mac
[16:18] <mrv> when will kde 4.5 be released? approximatelly
[16:23] <liar> hi
[16:23] <genii> mrv: At the rate of releases sometime after about 2 decades
[16:23] <genii> !hi
[16:25] <liar> i have a resolution of 1024x600 on my netbook and most of the windows are to big for my desktop(i cant find ok, abort and so on) is there any solution?
[16:26] <bdog> i wanna go back to 8.04
[16:27] <mircea> liar: if you hold down the "alt" key you can drag the window from anywhere in the window, not just the title bar
[16:27] <mircea> bdog: i had the same reaction
[16:27] <bdog> i'm scared to reboot now
[16:27] <LjL> liar: you could also set up a virtual desktop that's larger than the actual resolution
[16:27] <liar> mircea: not if desktop effects are turned on
[16:27] <LjL> as to how that's done in kde 4, ahum
[16:28] <mircea> liar: for me it works with desktop effects turned on
[16:29] <wizkoder> I still use 8.04. No problems here :-) Just tried 8.10 on my laptop, but the system is damn slow there.
[16:30] <DaSkreech> p_masho: Still no love?
[16:30] <p_masho> no..
[16:30]  * p_masho ;-(
[16:31] <DaSkreech> CourtJesterG: need better drivers
[16:31] <liar> i can move it over the left, right and bottom border but not over the top
[16:32] <wizkoder> liar: right. same here
[16:32] <DaSkreech> trappist: compiz --replace
[16:33] <p_masho> how do I enable "intrepid backports"
[16:33] <DaSkreech> genii: mrv left after 30 seconds
[16:33] <trappist> DaSkreech: yeah it was shockingly easy this time around :)  just disabled kde's effects, installed compiz and friends, and I'm using fusion-icon with a symlink to it in .kde/Autostart
[16:33] <genii> DaSkreech: Yes, I see now :)
[16:33] <DaSkreech> liar: I have desktop effects turned on and alt+drag works fine
[16:34] <OxDeadC0de> trappist I have fusion-icon loading from autostart configuration panel, and in session manager compiz selected instead of kwin
[16:34] <OxDeadC0de> both in kmenu/system settings/advanced
[16:34] <DaSkreech> p_masho: Open adept then go to edit software sources  on the updats tab check unsupported updates
[16:35] <liar> DaSkreech: yes it works but i cant move the window over the top border of the screen
[16:35] <p_masho> DaSkreech: done that
[16:35] <trappist> OxDeadC0de: I think I like the sound of that
[16:35] <DaSkreech> liar: You mean that you can't push the window off the top edge ?
[16:36] <mircea> liar: are you using compiz?
[16:36] <DaSkreech> p_masho: You refreshed the list?
[16:36] <p_masho> yep
[16:36] <DaSkreech> mircea: Good question :)
[16:36] <liar> mircea: yes
[16:36] <DaSkreech> p_masho: when you go to changes do you see an edit ?
[16:36] <trappist> OxDeadC0de: by session manager you mean window manager, right?
[16:36] <DaSkreech> p_masho: bah I mean do you see an upgrade button?
[16:37] <mircea> liar: are you using kde?
[16:37] <OxDeadC0de> trappist no: go kemnu/system settings/advanced - there's a session manager button there
[16:37] <p_masho> yep theres onthere called "Full Upgrade".. it does nothing
[16:37] <OxDeadC0de> trappist in it i can select the window manager tho so maybe you're right
[16:37] <liar> mircea: yes
[16:37] <Scott_Dude25> Hmm Kubuntu isnt booting correctly on my system
[16:37] <trappist> OxDeadC0de: ok yeah that's what I meant - do you have compiz run at "startup" or "pre kde startup"?
[16:38] <Scott_Dude25> After the loading screen and the loading bar it goes to the black screen with an X cursor
[16:38] <liar> DaSkreech: i think :S
[16:38] <OxDeadC0de> trappist neither, in session manger/window manager I have it set to compiz - which runs it before startup but after pre-startup
[16:39] <DaSkreech> p_masho: What happens when you press it
[16:39] <Scott_Dude25> Does anyone know why Kubuntu wont boot
[16:39] <DaSkreech> p_masho: ok can you pastebin /etc/apt/sources.list for me?
[16:39] <Scott_Dude25> Ive tried installing it with the 64 bit cd and Wubi
[16:39] <OxDeadC0de> !afk
[16:39] <DaSkreech> Scott_Dude25: Try restrting KDM ?
[16:39] <trappist> OxDeadC0de: ah, I'm using fusion-icon, which I have set upas an autostart script
[16:40] <Scott_Dude25> DaSkreech: It's not even booting is the problem
[16:40] <liar> mircea: kde4
[16:40] <Scott_Dude25> Im trying to install it on an empty hard drive in my computer
[16:40] <DaSkreech> Scott_Dude25: How far does the not booting get to?
[16:40] <Scott_Dude25> But the livecd wont even boot
[16:40] <Scott_Dude25> It goes past the loading bar and then goes to a black screen with an X cursor
[16:42] <DaSkreech> Scott_Dude25: Oh. Umm can you press alt+ctrl+F1 and get a terminal ?
[16:43] <Scott_Dude25> Hm not sure Ill have to reboot this computer to try
[16:43] <Scott_Dude25> Whats the command to restart KDE
[16:44] <bdog> is there a way i can disable the ubuntu nvidia driver from installing when I update
[16:44] <DaSkreech> Scott_Dude25: from the command line?
[16:44] <Scott_Dude25> Yes
[16:44] <genii> Scott_Dude25: sudo /etc/init.d/kdm  restart
[16:45] <Scott_Dude25> Ok thanks
[16:45] <genii> Or kdm-kde4      depends
[16:45] <DaSkreech> If you are on hardy it's kdm-kde4
[16:47] <mircea> liar: http://wiki.compiz-fusion.org/Plugins/Move
[16:47] <mircea> liar: Contrain Y prevents windows from being moved off the top of the screen.
[16:48] <mircea> liar: you can configure it to let you move the window off the top of the screen
[16:51] <liar> mircea: where do i configure it?
[16:51] <mircea> CCSD
[16:51] <bazhang> !ccsm
[16:52] <thomas_> hi
[16:53] <thomas_> was ist
[16:54] <thomas_> mein pc hat was
[16:54] <bdog> what is this plasma and why does it signal 11 all the time?
[16:54] <genii> !de | thomas_
[16:55] <DaSkreech> bdog: your desktop workspace
[16:55] <thomas_> was ist los
[16:55] <bane> Hello!
[16:55] <bane> How do You setup Your internet connection
[16:55] <DaSkreech> p_masho: If you close adept you can try in konsole sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[16:55] <bane> Is there better way than pon dsl-provider?
[16:56] <genii> thomas_: Nur Englisch hier gefällt.
[16:57] <corny> Hi @ all
[16:57] <thomas_> ich ohr muisk
[16:57] <andylockran> !de
[16:57] <liar> genii: good german :D
[16:57] <andylockran> :p
[16:57] <corny> könnte mir jemand schnell mal helfen??
[16:58] <corny> ich kann die Oberflächen nicht mehr wechseln
[16:58] <DaSkreech> corny: join #kubuntu-de
[17:01] <Neremor> hello!
[17:01] <Neremor> i just wanted to say that i want to get the old adept manager back! :D
[17:01] <Neremor> is there a way to search for apps with a search string shorter than 3 charackters?
[17:02] <OxDeadC0de> neremor in a console: aptitude search my_search_text (like aptitude search nm)
[17:03] <nabs> how to kill pidgin processes in ubuntu
[17:03] <nabs> plz
[17:03] <OxDeadC0de> in a console: killall pidgin
[17:03] <nabs> thanks
[17:03] <OxDeadC0de> nabs: what I just said OR: ps -A | grep pidgin - then kill pid
[17:04] <OxDeadC0de> killall is much easier
[17:04] <nabs> yeah that worked
[17:04] <nabs> thanks
[17:04] <genii> liar: I just used Babelfish for it although I do speak a tiny bit
[17:07] <Neremor> hm i would like to use a graphical interface for that
[17:08] <m_tadeu> hi everyone....what's the state of plasma and xinerama?
[17:08] <OxDeadC0de> neremor if you have any experience with any programming language, make one, it'd be extremely easy
[17:08] <DaSkreech> Neremor: It'll get better. File bugs
[17:08] <debankur> Hi all. Is there a way I can use kvkbd to display a keyboard layout other than english ?
[17:09] <debankur> I remember I could do that in earlier verions .
[17:09] <DaSkreech> Neremor: The authour pulled a lot of stunts to have it compiled for Ibex. so it's a good thing we have it at all
[17:09] <DaSkreech> Neremor: you can try run sudo update-apt-xapian-index
[17:11] <Neremor> ok
[17:11] <Neremor> i don't say the adeptmanager is bad, but i just say that the old one is better and has much more functions ;)
[17:11] <OxDeadC0de> I wonder if it's possible, is there some way I can zip up a folder, then when a specific user logs in create and mount a memory basesd partition, extract the archive to that partition, have the user run, then when they loggout it unmounts that partition, effectively creating a guest session where nothing is saved? (Kind of like ubuntu 8.10 guest sessions.. kind of)
[17:12] <Pink_Frost> need help!!, Spilled water on my keyboard and now my screen flickers, makes it really hard to use
[17:13] <Pink_Frost> what to do what to do?
[17:13] <OxDeadC0de> Pink_Frost I hope you're still under warrenty
[17:14] <debankur> Pink_Frost : shut down the machine. use a hair dryer to dry it and then use it. it worked for me when I dropped tea on my thinkpad T24
[17:14] <genii> OxDeadC0de: I had a similar setup previously, used a dd image exact size of a full CD for their /home which got mounted when they logged in. So it's verypossible.
[17:15] <DaSkreech> Pink_Frost: Stop talking to us. Shut off computer. Enjoy nature or friends for two days
[17:16] <OxDeadC0de> thanks genii ^^ I'll have to study it some, would be an awesome way to do guest accounts imo ;)
[17:18] <OxDeadC0de> DaSkreech hypocrisy! What are these "Nature" and "freinds" you speak of? :P
[17:18] <DaSkreech> OxDeadC0de: Code from the holodeck
[17:19] <DaSkreech> I always used to wonder why they bothered. If they could walk as far as they wanted in the Holodeck why not just replicate the universe inside there and explore the place from home?
[17:19] <genii> OxDeadC0de: If you have a dd image of a smal HD (2Gb for instance) you can also do loopmount and then actually run fdisk on it and so on to partition it how you like for the individual user.
[17:19] <nabs> here at shool they have it setup that when you login your home directory is mounted and as soon as you logout it is unmounted and nothing stays on the machine
[17:20] <genii> nabs: Likely they are running a terminal server type setup
[17:21] <nabs> yeah i think cause they run a scrip to do that
[17:21] <OxDeadC0de> genii i was thinking of just making an image of an already setup /home/ folder,then mount that as a memory block device so any changes they make while active (cookies, temp web browser data, etc) is saved in memory only then when they loggout it's gone, so they can't take my precious last couple gb of hd space which I need for making my video game
[17:22] <DaSkreech> \o/
[17:22] <DaSkreech> Video game
[17:22] <DaSkreech> !wow
[17:22] <DaSkreech> Heehee
[17:22] <OxDeadC0de> my server alone eats up over 1gb of hard drive space storing physics collission data ^^
[17:22] <genii> OxDeadC0de: So long as you have plenty of ram that can be done
[17:22] <DaSkreech> !botsnack
[17:22] <OxDeadC0de> 2gb physical ram and 4gb swap, should be plenty
[17:24]  * DaSkreech raises brow
[17:27] <wizkoder> bye folks. enjoy your evening
[17:29] <genii> OxDeadC0de: There is fuse-zip also, so you might not need to unzip everything into it.
[17:30] <OxDeadC0de> genii I can also make new userspace programs to automate most of it ^^, but I'm going to look into it later, right now I need to be compiling raknet and a few other libraries to get back to making muh game ;)
[17:31] <genii> Have fun :)
[17:34] <preppysob99> Hm I was able to get to command line after the screen with the X cursor
[17:34] <preppysob99> It says kdm is running
[17:35] <preppysob99> How do I go back to the GUI interface
[17:35] <preppysob99> Anyone active?
[17:36] <DaSkreech> preppysob99: alt+ctrl+F7
[17:36] <genii> Just alt-f7 would be sufficient :)
[17:37] <preppysob99> Ok thanks :D
[17:38] <trappist> OxDeadC0de: you use compiz?  does your alt-f2 work?
[17:38] <preppysob99> Sweet, its working now
[17:39] <DaSkreech> genii: Yeah but for new users the one meme is easier
[17:39] <OxDeadC0de> trappist yes and yes
[17:39] <trappist> OxDeadC0de: did you have to do anything to make it work?
[17:39] <OxDeadC0de> trappist nope :/
[17:39] <DaSkreech> compiz doesn't trigger krunner for alt+F2 does it?
[17:40] <trappist> DaSkreech: probably not by default
[17:40] <OxDeadC0de> it does for me
[17:40] <DaSkreech> I wonder if plasma overrides that
[17:41] <DaSkreech> If you kill plasma alt+f2 no longer works
[17:41] <trappist> ah, that makes sense
[17:42] <trappist> but, I got it working by assigning krunner to command0 and setting the keybinding for command0 to alt-f2
[17:43] <preppysob99> Will Vista detect Kubuntu installed on another harddrive and bring up its boot option screen
[17:43] <preppysob99> Or will I need to configure it somehow?
[17:44] <Pici> preppysob99: Are you installing Vista after (K)ubuntu?
[17:44] <trappist> preppysob99: I haven't tried, but almost certainly not
[17:44] <trappist> it's a *lot* easier to install windows first, then linux
[17:44] <Pici> !grub
[17:45] <preppysob99> I had Vista installed on a 640GB hd
[17:45] <preppysob99> and now Im installing Kubuntu on a 226GB hd
[17:46] <preppysob99> And I would rather have some boot loader popup and ask me what I want to boot than have to go to bios everytime i want to change what i boot into
[17:47] <trappist> preppysob99: the kubuntu installer should set up with that.  just don't expect windows to do it if you've already got linux installed
[17:48] <preppysob99> I installed linux after windows
[17:48] <DaSkreech> Should work then
[17:48] <preppysob99> on 2 different drives
[17:49] <DaSkreech> Yeah
[17:49] <preppysob99> Ok
[17:49] <preppysob99> Thanks for the help :)
[17:50] <DaSkreech> trappist: I forget does it still ask you which drive you want the bootloader on?
[17:50] <trappist> DaSkreech: dunno, I haven't dual booted in a *long* time
[17:50] <DaSkreech> trappist: Have you installed?
[17:51] <trappist> can you rephrase the question? :)
[17:51] <DaSkreech> When installing does the installer still ask you which drive you want the bootloader installed to?
[17:51] <DaSkreech> he would have to have it on the main boot drive I think
[17:52] <trappist> that question I understand, but I don't know the answer
[17:52] <DaSkreech> So that he doesn't have to swap boot order
[17:52] <DaSkreech> with the assumption of preppysob99
[17:52] <DaSkreech>  being male
[17:52] <trappist> because I haven't dual booted in like 8 years
[17:54] <DaSkreech> not quite as long but neither have I
[17:54] <DaSkreech>  as long as you have multiple drives in the machine it should asl
[17:54] <DaSkreech> ask
[17:54] <DaSkreech> I think
[17:57] <tango_> hello all. I just downloaded kubuntu 8.10 and I noticed a funny thing with the livecd: when it starts loading, it reaches a point where it stalls, sits there doing nothing, the progress bar barely begun filling up. then if I ctrl+alt+del it continues loading (very fast), and it works fine
[17:58] <tango_> also, on a totally different topic: I've read that ubuntu 8.10 has an option to install to a usb key, does kubuntu 8.10 have it too?
[17:59] <RuslanPopov> ppl, why kubuntu 8.10 ignores ctrl-shift but uses scrolllock led, I have the following in xorg.conf:
[17:59] <RuslanPopov>     Option         "XkbOptions" "grp:ctrl_shift_toggle,grp_led:scroll"
[17:59] <RuslanPopov> alt-shift works
[18:00] <bdog> can I disable the "check battery state"
[18:03] <sizeone> Какой командой запустить install.sh ?
[18:03] <sizeone> Перевод
[18:03] <sizeone> What command to start instal.sh?
[18:04] <bdog> wat
[18:04] <sizeone> What command to start install.sh?
[18:06] <bdog> can I disable the "check battery state"
[18:13] <DaSkreech> !ru | sizeone
[18:13] <genii> sizeone: ./install.sh
[18:14] <DaSkreech> sizeone: sh install.sh
[18:14] <DaSkreech> Ahhhhh
[18:14] <DaSkreech> Wishlist. Qt4 Konveersation
[18:14] <genii> Yup
[18:17] <DaSkreech> apachelogger:
[18:17] <DaSkreech> whoops Just wanted to see if he was in this chan :)
[18:18] <Tm_T> DaSkreech: awww
[18:18] <apachelogger> lol
[18:18]  * DaSkreech twiddles fingers
[18:18]  * DaSkreech prods Tm_T to join #KDE on jaiku :)
[18:19] <Tm_T> murrrrh
[18:20] <DaSkreech> :-)
[18:21] <marunya> Hi!
[18:21] <genii> !hi
[18:22] <marunya> I updated my ubuntu 8.04 to kubuntu 8.10
[18:22] <marunya> and KDE 4.1 will be corrupted
[18:22] <DaSkreech> ?
[18:22] <DaSkreech> ok
[18:22] <DaSkreech> Mixing of tenses is confuzzling
[18:23] <riitix> :)
[18:23] <villoni> !fr
[18:30] <manish> i have an internet connection with kubuntu 8.10. i want to share it with my friend using wifi. is it possible. if yes how
[18:30] <LjL> !inetsharing | manish
[18:30] <LjL> manish: Firestarter is a GTK application, it's possible (but i don't really know) that GuardDog has that functionality on KDE. assuming it's available on 4.
[18:31] <LjL> otherwise just follow the CLI instructions
[18:34] <manish> i am a rookeie so dont understand what is written on the http://www.fs-security.com/docs/connection-sharing.php
[18:34] <manish> please help me
[18:34] <manish> command my command instruction
[18:36] <DaSkreech> manish: Sorry? What are you asking?
[18:37] <manish> i have connected to the internet using modem (reliance USB data card) and want to share it with my room partner using wifi
[18:37] <manish> what all do i need to install and how to configure it
[18:37] <dr_willis> !ics | manish
[18:38] <DaSkreech> manish: install firestarter then follow that page
[18:38] <manish> i have already seen those pages but dont understand a bit c
[18:38] <dr_willis> that UFW tool may have a option also..
[18:38] <manish> i have installed firestarted
[18:38] <manish> firestarter
[18:39] <manish> but howdo i configire it
[18:39] <dr_willis> of course if you want to know whats going on in the background.. that would take some iptables knowledge.. and perhaps a read of the 'ip-masquerading' howto.
[18:39] <dr_willis> run firestarter - it has a gui.. ( i never use it)
[18:40] <dr_willis> some of those docs are getting a bit out of date.
[18:41] <manish> ok u have the fire starter installed but how do i use that to share internet using wifi
[18:41] <dr_willis> http://firestarter.sourceforge.net/manual/wizard.php
[18:41] <dr_willis> run it.. and follow the wizzard from what i am reading on its homepage.
[18:43] <dr_willis> from what ive heard . geting ICS going with firestarter is just a couple of clicks.. and its done.. (not that i have done it  recently)
[18:44] <debankur> anyone knows if kbluetooth4 has been fixed to work with the new  bluez-4.x api
[18:44] <preppysob99> I installed Kubuntu, but now its booting to fail
[18:44] <preppysob99> failing to boot* lol
[18:45] <DaSkreech> :-)
[18:45] <DaSkreech> preppysob99: where does it stop?
[18:45] <preppysob99> I disconnected my other HDs, and it still wont boot
[18:45] <preppysob99> My computer tells me Please insert a valid boot source
[18:45] <preppysob99> and press a key
[18:46] <preppysob99> Maybe Grub isnt loading?
[18:46] <dr_willis> sounds like ya may have the wrong hd unhooked..
[18:46] <preppysob99> No dr willis
[18:46] <dr_willis> or you accidently justled another cable..
[18:46] <preppysob99> No
[18:46] <dr_willis> boot live cd.. see if you can access that hard drive to PROVE it.
[18:46] <preppysob99> Because it shows up in the BIOS
[18:46] <preppysob99> I am on the live cd right now
[18:46] <preppysob99> and I can see the contents of that HD
[18:46] <dr_willis> so mount the HD and look at the contents? see a /boot/ ?
[18:46] <preppysob99> They are as they should be
[18:47] <dr_willis> reinstall the grub boot loader perhaps.
[18:47] <dr_willis> and look for any error messages it gives..
[18:47] <preppysob99> Do you think maybe GRUB isnt working because my computer uses nvram
[18:47] <dr_willis> I dont see what nvram has to do with it..
[18:48] <preppysob99> Doesnt the computer check nvram to see what to use to boot
[18:48] <dr_willis> Cant say taht ive eer noticed.. Most of my PC's i can hit F9 and tell it eaactly what to boot.
[18:49] <dr_willis> Most bios's also have bios settings to set the boot order/what to look for.. could be its not looking for that drive to boot from at all.
[18:49] <preppysob99> It is
[18:49] <tommy_> #mymesra.dal.net
[18:49] <preppysob99> I disconnected everything except the cd drives trying to get it to work
[18:50] <preppysob99> Right before it gives the message it says Err2Err3
[18:50] <preppysob99> then it says Please insert a valid boot source and press any key or reboot and select a valid boot source
[18:50] <dr_willis> what is saying that? grub? or the bios/post screen?
[18:50] <preppysob99> Not grub
[18:50] <dr_willis> I cant recall ever seeing Grub say 'err2/err3'  :)  so not sure what to even look at for that.
[18:51] <dr_willis> I would double check the bios/hard drive settings.. other then that.. not sure what to tell you.
[18:52] <preppysob99> damn
[18:52] <preppysob99> this sucks
[18:53] <preppysob99> Its like grub isnt being recognized
[18:53] <dr_willis> yoy are not on some plugin sata card? or raid? or other weirdness?
[18:53] <FoeNyx> Hello, I have a small problem with my fresh update to 8.10 : all kde application I launch goes wild (100% cpu usage) without displaying on screen. Has someone a lead about this behaviour ?
[18:54] <preppysob99> The only weird thing on my computer is I have a ATA drive connected to a PCI-ATA card but it shows up seamlessly to most Operating systems
[18:54] <preppysob99> my bios lists it as RAID though instead of a drive
[18:55] <dr_willis> You are trying to boot that ATA drive ?
[18:56] <preppysob99> No
[18:56] <preppysob99> Im trying to boot a normal SATA drive plugged into my mobo
[18:57] <dr_willis> i wonder if grub dident get installed to a different hd then what you booted from..
[18:57] <preppysob99> It shouldnt have
[18:57] <dr_willis> ive learned tobe very carefull with mixxed sata/ide drives..
[18:58] <preppysob99> When I installed I told the installer to use the whole drive
[18:58] <dr_willis> had one box.. if i booted the box from the ide.. the sata '/dev/sd##' letters would shift down
[18:58] <genii> dr_willis: I also have a box like that
[18:59] <preppysob99> Should I format the drive and try installing again?
[18:59] <dr_willis> genii,  i accidently foramted the wrong hd once.. :P
[18:59] <DaSkreech> preppysob99: Fairly certain the MBR is on the other drive
[18:59] <preppysob99> MBR?
[18:59] <dr_willis> I cheat and install grub to ALL the hard drives.. :)
[18:59] <dr_willis> !mbr
[18:59] <genii> Master Boot Record
[18:59] <preppysob99> Oh
[18:59] <dr_willis> grub installs to the MBR.. thats what boots the system
[18:59] <manish> I still dont understand what do i need to do to the fire starter please can you explain me command by command
[18:59] <dr_willis> Grub is fun to learn about..
[18:59] <preppysob99> Oh your right
[18:59] <preppysob99> It probably is on the Windows drive
[19:00] <DaSkreech> dr_willis: I thought the MBR called Grub
[19:00] <dr_willis> preppysob99,  ive had grub be ONLY on the linux drive befor.. and i would tell the pc to boot that hd..  (with my F9 option)
[19:00] <dr_willis> grub is installed to the MBR.. it could then chain load  the MBR's of other hds i guess if properly setup
[19:00] <preppysob99> Is there a way for the Windows Boot Manager to boot Kubuntu
[19:00] <genii> Not easily
[19:00] <dr_willis> windows boot manager is a pain. :) grub is much more logical. and fun
[19:01] <DaSkreech> preppysob99: Yes. call Microsoft and ask them to send over a programmer rigth away
[19:01] <manish> please i want to share my internet connection with my room partner
[19:01] <genii> !ics | manish
[19:01] <manish> please help ... i am using kubuntu and have firestarter installed
[19:01] <dr_willis> manish,  from what i saw in that guide.. you just clicked the share stuff.. i dont  have a box handy to walk through it . sorry.
[19:02] <DaSkreech> manish: you are both on the same lan ?
[19:02] <manish> no
[19:02] <manish> i am on a ppoe connection and want to share internet using wifi
[19:03] <manish> DaSkreech:
[19:03] <dr_willis> ppoe ---> PC ----- wireless ---->    <----wireless PC2 ?
[19:04] <genii> dr_willis: That would be my idea of the topography also
[19:04] <manish> DaSkreech: yes
[19:04] <bat> Ciao come faccio in ubuntu a far vedere a Nautilus hd windows
[19:04]  * dr_willis has no idea on PPOE.. :) 
[19:04] <manish> yes dr willis
[19:04] <dr_willis> wireles is working on both machines?   can they ping each other?
[19:05] <manish> how do i try' it
[19:05] <FoeNyx> can somebody help me ? I cannot use any kde applications :[
[19:05] <manish> what should i ping on machine 2
[19:05] <dr_willis> give each a static  ip on the same network range.. or install a dhcp server on pc1.. and the pin g command.
[19:05] <DaSkreech> FoeNyx: Define can't use KDE apps
[19:06] <dr_willis> the wireless network needs tobe working.. befor you can share  the internet to the other box. :)
[19:06] <manish> OK
[19:06] <manish> how do i do that
[19:06] <dr_willis> Not a clue.. I rarely mess with wirless
[19:06] <FoeNyx> DaSkreech> for example I try to launch konsole (or kate or any kde4 application) and the process take 100% cpu, but nothing is displayed on screen
[19:06] <noobstyle> mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sdb1 /media/OneTouch4 Mini -o force
[19:06] <dr_willis> I can get my 2 laptosp working now to my router.. and thats about it.
[19:06] <noobstyle> Hi guys. I have this External harddrive running NTFS and i have pluged it in on my Kubuntu system. I get a loong error of what to do and it suggests this: mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sdb1 /media/OneTouch4 Mini -o force
[19:06] <manish> i am a new bie please tell me command by command
[19:06] <noobstyle> so i try it but i just get a long list of options
[19:07] <DaSkreech> manish: It's a wizard.. press next I would suspect
[19:07] <dr_willis> manish,  dont expect a 'command by command'  walk throguh on gettting wirles going.. it may  or may not be simple.. it depends on yoru wireless cards.
[19:07] <DaSkreech> See this is why Command line is so much easier to support than GUIs
[19:07] <DaSkreech> Well Is it a wireless Hub?
[19:07] <manish> i can get you all the info on what ever you want
[19:07] <dr_willis> It wont matter what you do with firestarter if you cant even get the 2 pc's talking over the wireless network.
[19:08] <DaSkreech> If it is then he can just plug in to the wired uplink
[19:08] <manish> plz help
[19:08] <DaSkreech> assuming manish is indeed manish :)
[19:08] <DaSkreech> Is it a Wireless Hub? or are you broadcasting on a wireless card?
[19:08] <dr_willis> DaSkreech,  <dr_willis> ppoe ---> PC1 ----- wireless ---->  Airwaves :)  <----wireless PC2
[19:09] <dr_willis> I think is what he said earlier.. so he needs to  get the wireless working first..  of course that canbe hard to do with no internet for pc2 to get the drivers
[19:09] <manish> i have laptop and i have a ppoe connectio and a wire less card on it and i want to share my internet connection from my ppoe with my friend through wifi
[19:09] <szrhawaii_> what if your toggle for the wireless doesnt work
[19:09] <dr_willis> night all.
[19:10] <szrhawaii_> how do you guys like the kde 4
[19:10] <manish> what do you mean by it
[19:10] <szrhawaii_> is it running ok
[19:10] <DaSkreech> manish: Do you have wireless working ?
[19:10] <FoeNyx> DaSkreech> I guess a silence means something like a "no idea" answer ? :p
[19:10] <szrhawaii_> no my friends wireless didnt load on because of some reason
[19:11] <DaSkreech> FoeNyx: Oh umm what happens when you run them from the command line?
[19:11] <szrhawaii_> he doesnt have wireless anymore cause the toggle wont turn on
[19:11] <manish> i dont no
[19:11] <szrhawaii_> i dont know remember what to put to get to it through command prompt
[19:12] <FoeNyx> DaSkreech> after a while dbus says 'Communication problem with  "konsole" , it probably crashed.  Error message was:  "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply" '
[19:12] <szrhawaii_> thats what his says
[19:12] <DaSkreech> FoeNyx: Probably don't have dbus running
[19:12] <manish> please can you guys can alteast write m: bofore you write comment for me
[19:12] <DaSkreech> !wifi | manish read this then
[19:12] <szrhawaii_> how o you fix that problem
[19:13] <DaSkreech> szrhawaii_: Toggle is a hardware shutoff you need to get that flipped on before it can be used
[19:13] <DaSkreech> it's like trying to fix the power button on the computer with software when it's stuck in the off position.
[19:13] <szrhawaii_> yeah how do i manage that when now it doesnt even want to turn on
[19:13] <FoeNyx> DaSkreech> there are some dbus-daemon in the process list, and it's the same symptom if I do 'dbus-launch konsole'
[19:13] <DaSkreech> FoeNyx: Do you have qdbus ?
[19:14] <DaSkreech> szrhawaii_: pliers and a screwdriver ?
[19:14] <FoeNyx> yes
[19:14] <szrhawaii_> everything else works fine on his comp just that one thing doesnt work it happened when we switch his os to ubuntu but he had antivirus 2008 trojan on his comp would that have been a problem
[19:14] <DaSkreech> FoeNyx: Not sure yet try #kde ?
[19:15] <szrhawaii_> so your saying the button is just stuck
[19:15] <FoeNyx> DaSkreech> they do not reply either :p
[19:15] <DaSkreech> szrhawaii_: I thought thats what you said
[19:15] <FoeNyx> DaSkreech> well thank you anyway :)
[19:15] <szrhawaii_> here ill break down the whole scenario
[19:16] <DaSkreech> FoeNyx: all apps?
[19:16] <FoeNyx> DaSkreech> all kde4 app
[19:16] <DaSkreech> FoeNyx: reinstall the kdelibs
[19:16] <FoeNyx> DaSkreech> done that twice ^^'
[19:16] <DaSkreech> genii: Any clues?
[19:16] <szrhawaii_> the wireless was working fine he had windows xp with a trojan named antivirus 2008 then i went to reboot his system with ubuntu cause once you get that virus it wont let you reboot with windows for some reason
[19:17] <szrhawaii_> then when i was restarting it the wireless shut off and i tried to turn it back on before i the disk booted
[19:17] <manish> what do i click in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[19:17] <szrhawaii_> but it wouldnt come on
[19:17] <szrhawaii_> and hasnt since then
[19:18] <szrhawaii_> ive tried downloading gnome, kde, and even tried putting windows back on his system but the windows os wont take
[19:18] <szrhawaii_> then i tried the bios to make sure it was on
[19:18] <szrhawaii_> and restore default settings and tried to restart again
[19:18] <szrhawaii_> nothing
[19:19] <szrhawaii_> then i tried the software and checked to see if it was picking up the wireless device again nothing
[19:19] <szrhawaii_> so here i am stuck and the wireless toggle wont turn on  the wireless and the light doesnt even come on
[19:19] <szrhawaii_> so is that a hardware issue
[19:19] <genii> DaSkreech: On which?
[19:19] <szrhawaii_> ??????
[19:20] <DaSkreech> genii: FoeNyx's KDE4 aversion
[19:20] <manish> in firestarter the "Enable DCHP for local network" is not enabled
[19:20] <FoeNyx> DaSkreech> aversion ^^' ? I would probably love kde4 if I could see how it looks :p
[19:20] <dwidmann_> szrhawaii_: I say back up everything that's needed and overwrite the disk with zeros
[19:21] <manish> what should i do now..?????
[19:21] <genii> DaSkreech: No ideas offhand :)
[19:21] <szrhawaii_> i even tried deleting all the formatted drives where nothing was working
[19:21] <szrhawaii_> it would load and say nothing
[19:21] <szrhawaii_> just a blank screen
[19:21] <genii> DaSkreech: I'm on 3.5.10 btw
[19:21] <szrhawaii_> then i rebooted the cd again
[19:21] <szrhawaii_> and still didnt work
[19:21] <manish> do i need to download DCHP server..Is it not donwloaded with forestarte
[19:22] <dwidmann_> szrhawaii_: that's not the same as overwriting with zeros :)
[19:22] <manish> if yes thn how do i donwload it
[19:22] <DaSkreech> manish: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WirelessNetworking
[19:22] <szrhawaii_> how do i do that
[19:22] <szrhawaii_> ????
[19:22] <DaSkreech> manish: you need dhcpd I think
[19:23] <dwidmann_> szrhawaii_: cat /dev/zero > /dev/sda (assuming the hard drive is /dev/sda) would do the trick.
[19:23] <manish> DaSkreech: how i do that
[19:23] <DaSkreech> manish: sudo apt-get install dhcpd
[19:23] <dwidmann_> szrhawaii_: of course, everything on the drive would be permanently gone.
[19:23] <szrhawaii_> thats fine
[19:23] <szrhawaii_> how do i get there
[19:23] <szrhawaii_> is that through command prompt
[19:23] <genii> DaSkreech: dhcp3-server
[19:24] <Jampiter> Hi
[19:24] <DaSkreech> manish: ^^^
[19:24] <DaSkreech> !hi
[19:24] <DaSkreech> genii: Shouldn't he at least be using IPV4 not IPV3
[19:24]  * DaSkreech ducks
[19:24] <Jampiter> Right, I have the Kubuntu install disk on a LiveUSB. How can I make it persistant? Can somebody tell me step by step? (And the information Ubottu gives is complicated and I can't find the right thing..)
[19:25] <genii> DaSkreech: Bah :)
[19:25] <manish> DaSkreech: it says dhcpd has no installation candidate
[19:25] <DaSkreech> manish: dhcp3-server
[19:25] <genii> manish: sudo apt-get install dhcp3-server
 is that through command prompt
[19:25] <Jampiter> Anyone?
[19:26] <szrhawaii_> not sure how to make a live usb
[19:26] <szrhawaii_> but know how to do the cd
[19:27] <Jampiter> You can make a CD persistant?
[19:27] <szrhawaii_> what are you trying to do jampiter
[19:27] <manish> ya its installing something
[19:28] <manish> what do i do after that
[19:28] <Jampiter> Make my Kubuntu USB stick into a persistant system, with my changes, files, packages on and such which I can install and remove and use it like a normal install system - or close enough
[19:29] <manish> ginee: what do i do next
[19:29] <szrhawaii_> ohhh not sure how to do that
[19:30] <manish> enable DHCP still not active
[19:30] <szrhawaii_> but i know you can do that on a iso file
[19:30] <Jampiter> How would I do that?
[19:30] <szrhawaii_> cause i have a rigged version of xp/vista on one cd
[19:30] <szrhawaii_> its set up with certain settings
[19:31] <lovre> firefox doesnt show some flash stuff... but shows everything on youtube.
[19:31] <manish> HELP ::: how do i share internet connection using wifi
[19:31] <szrhawaii_> but doesnt load files
[19:32] <memeemeee> if I want to run a command (say cp) for all files except one what would I type? something like *[not= filename]
[19:33] <manish> genii: its still now showing "enable DHCP still not active" in firestarter
[19:34] <manish> what do i do now. i have installed dhcp3-server still the last message is "invoke-rc.d: initscript dhcp3-server, action "start" failed."
[19:34] <manish> as the last line in command prompt
[19:34] <manish> sorry terminal
[19:35] <genii> manish: First tell it what interface to attach to. Do this in file /etc/default/dhcp3-server     a line like: INTERFACES=wlan0               or so
[19:37] <marek_> hi i have a problem with xserver, after downloading gnome it doesnt start anything, only login screen is shown (in text mode) what should i do to start login screen automatically?
[19:37] <manish> genii: have done so"by writing wlan0 in the last line between quotes
[19:38] <manish> now what
[19:38] <manish> should i remove the quotes
[19:38] <manish> or something
[19:39] <genii> manish: Please pastebin contents of file:  /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf
[19:40] <genii> manish: Just a line like: INTERFACES=wlan0                   no quotes or other strange things
[19:40] <genii> This is if your wifi is called that of course
[19:42] <OxDeadC0de> memeemeee: you still here? got an answer for ya
[19:43] <memeemeee> thanks OxDeadC0de
[19:43] <manish> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/70137/http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/70137/http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/70137/
[19:44] <manish> so do i remove the quotes between wlan0 in the file
[19:45] <manish> what do i do next genii
[19:46] <manish> i have still not removed the quotes between the file wlan0 in dhcp3-server
[19:48] <manish> genii: u there
[19:51] <Pyles17> I had my Intel 3945ABG wireless card working (installed microcode in /lib/firmware) and now, after a day, it won't even show up in lshw -C network
[19:52] <Pyles17> and wireless still works in windows xp
[19:53] <manish> please help me share my internet connection connected using a pppoe modem to the internet, with a friend using wifi. i have installed firestarter bu tdont know how to set it up and share the internet
[19:59] <ptl> yah yah yah
[20:00] <ptl> How do I enter in text-mode KDE?
[20:00] <genii> manish: Apologies on lag, work required me. Now you have to tell the dhcp server certain things like what range you want to hand out etc. This is in the /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf file which I asked you earlier to pastebin
[20:02] <Pyles17> ptl: do you mean what program to use?
[20:02] <genii> ptl: Konsole
[20:03] <ptl> Pyles17: no, I am just trying to confuse people ;P Sorry
[20:04] <Pyles17> ptl: It worked. I'm confused
[20:04]  * genii hands out more coffees
[20:04] <ptl> :D
[20:06] <rohan> !sound
[20:08] <Pyles17> !wifi
[20:13] <Copelia> !ru
[20:21] <estan> hm. how do i print preview in konqueror?
[20:22] <DaSkreech> manish: Did you follow the second wifi link ?
[20:22] <preppysob99> Ok so i figured out that grub isnt starting
[20:22] <preppysob99> Any ideas why not?
[20:23] <DaSkreech> preppysob99: not installed properly?
[20:23] <DaSkreech> !grub
[20:25] <gio> brasil
[20:25] <genii> !es | gio
[20:26] <gio> Brasil
[20:26] <PhilRod> !pt
[20:27] <DaSkreech> also see !br
[20:27] <BorkisDrizzt>  When I booted my laptop running kubuntu 8.10 earlier today, I noticed that things were going really slow. So when it finished booting I ran top, and it tells me that a process named artsd is eating away the CPU. How do I fix that?
[20:28] <PhilRod> BorkisDrizzt: kill
[20:28] <PhilRod> ('k' in top)
[20:28] <Pyles17> I had my Intel 3945ABG wireless card working (installed microcode in /lib/firmware) and now, after a day, I can't connect and it won't even show up in lshw -C network
[20:28] <Pyles17> any ideas?
[20:28] <PhilRod> BorkisDrizzt: but arts is from kde 3 - presumably it shouldn't be running at all on 8.10
[20:29] <DaSkreech> PhilRod: Amarok
[20:29] <PhilRod> DaSkreech: but that can use other output backends, right?
[20:29] <ptl> patola    6648     1  0 Nov09 ?        00:00:43 /usr/bin/artsd -F 10 -S 4096 -s 60 -m artsmessage -l 3 -f
[20:29]  * DaSkreech shrugs.
[20:29] <BorkisDrizzt> well, but it is
[20:29] <ptl> it's running in mine
[20:29] <DaSkreech> If you are loading kde3libs it's likely that yuo will be using sound and artsd will get started
[20:30] <DaSkreech> If for notifications if nothing else
[20:30] <PhilRod> Pyles17: does lsmod show the module?
[20:31] <BorkisDrizzt> killing doesn't work
[20:31] <PhilRod> kill -9 ?
[20:32] <BorkisDrizzt> what do you mean?
[20:32] <Pyles17> philrod: it shows a lot of things, I don't think the wireless card is one of them
[20:32] <genii> BorkisDrizzt: eg:  sudo kill -9 6648
[20:33] <PhilRod> BorkisDrizzt: "kill -9 <pid>" kills a process with SIGKILL, which is more drastic than SIGTERM (which is what normal "kill" does)
[20:33] <ubuntu_> I have installed my kubuntu 8.1 to a USB drive. Now I can
[20:33] <ubuntu_> 't boot it
[20:33] <PhilRod> Pyles17: "lsmod | grep 3945" - anything from that?
[20:33] <ptl> 8.1?
[20:33] <DaSkreech> 8.10
[20:33] <ubuntu_> Any able to tell me how to restore the boot loader on the USB drive from the live CD I am running off of now
[20:34] <Pyles17> nothing
[20:34] <ubuntu_> Is it 8.10 the latest, grabbed it yesterday
[20:34] <snails> hi
[20:34] <jazireh> hi
[20:35] <ubuntu_> hi
[20:35] <DaSkreech> !grub
[20:35] <snails> would someone be so kind and ask the folks in #remote-exploit why im banned?
[20:36] <DaSkreech> snails: #freenode
[20:36] <Tm_T> moi Erkki
[20:36] <BorkisDrizzt> well, now the process disappears for about five seconds, then it returns with a new PID
[20:36] <snails> ok
[20:36] <kokaiin> moi
[20:36] <PhilRod> BorkisDrizzt: still using all cpu?
[20:37] <BorkisDrizzt> yes, it is
[20:37] <Tm_T> kokaiin: may I ask you to change your nick to less, let's say, provocative?
[20:37] <ubuntu_> can I install grub to the / partition on my usb drive so I can just boot from that and not the local disk which is vista??
[20:37] <Tm_T> moi mikko
[20:38] <DaSkreech> ubuntu_: As long as your BIOS supports otherBoot
[20:38] <PhilRod> BorkisDrizzt: hrm, that's strange. One thing you could do would be to try to find the program that's starting artsd
[20:38] <ubuntu_> what is wrong with kokaiin?
[20:38] <Tm_T> ubuntu_: none
[20:39] <Tm_T> hi PhilRod
[20:39] <PhilRod> heya Tm_T! how're you?
[20:39] <DaSkreech> PhilRod: I would suspect knotify
[20:39] <BorkisDrizzt> How do I do that?
[20:39] <ubuntu_> daSkreech: it does, I'm just not sure how to set grub the USB partition and not the MBR of the internal drive
[20:39] <PhilRod> DaSkreech: yeah, sounds likely
[20:39] <Tm_T> PhilRod: fine thanks, waiting a baby (in #kubuntu-offtopic )
[20:39] <PhilRod> BorkisDrizzt: are you running any kde 3 music apps? (eg amarok). If not, as DaSkreech says, it's probably knotify
[20:40] <DaSkreech> ubuntu_: Read the documentation. You are looking for a dev device that's not mounted with your internal files on it
[20:41] <BorkisDrizzt> well, I am pretty sure amarok isn't running, so a "kill knotify4"?
[20:41] <PhilRod> no, knotify4 is the kde 4 one (I guess)
[20:41] <DaSkreech> :-)
[20:42] <Koordin> hi, i want to use the terminal of kate but he recognise me as the root ; how can i leave the 'su mode' ? i've already tried exit or C^ D
[20:42] <PhilRod> but hrm, I'm not sure how to turn off kde 3's knotify from kde 4
[20:42] <DaSkreech> Koordin: Did you open kate as root?
[20:42] <DaSkreech> dcop ?
[20:43] <PhilRod> DaSkreech: yeah, I guess - I was hoping to get kcontrol from kde 3 open and set an external player there
[20:43] <DaSkreech> no kcontrol
[20:44] <PhilRod> well, systemsettings
[20:44] <BorkisDrizzt> top only lists knotify4
[20:44] <Koordin> yes, i want kate to be openned as root, but i want the terminal which within it not be launched as a root
[20:45] <bullet234> Hello. I have a problem with my ubuntu. The sound card Realtek ALC662 is not working properly. When i test it with Preferences > Sound it's making the sound it's not continous ... what should I do. Please help :(
[20:46] <DaSkreech> Koordin: su out then
[20:47] <Koordin> DaSkreech: Unknown id: out
[20:47] <BorkisDrizzt> PhilRod: what should I do?
[20:47] <Koordin> DaSkreech: i think i'll just have to launch kate not as a root
[20:48] <DaSkreech> Koordin: ha ha
[20:48] <PhilRod> BorkisDrizzt: I'm not sure - let me see if there's a package for kde3 systemsettings
[20:48] <DaSkreech> Koordin: Who do you want the terminal to be?
[20:49] <BorkisDrizzt> mkay, shout if you find something
[20:49]  * DaSkreech finds a purpose in life
[20:49] <DaSkreech> BorkisDrizzt!!!
[20:49] <Koordin> 'who' ?
[20:50] <DaSkreech> Koordin: You have a user named who ?>
[20:50] <Koordin> No?
[20:51] <BorkisDrizzt> yes DaSkreech? :P
[20:51] <Koordin> i don't.
[20:51] <DaSkreech> Koordin: Which user do you want the terminal to be?
[20:51] <Koordin> Someone solved my problem : "su - username"
[20:52] <slow-motion> hi
[20:54] <PhilRod> BorkisDrizzt: I can't see anything relevant in adept, sorry
[20:55] <DaSkreech> BorkisDrizzt: I found something!!
[20:55] <DaSkreech> Koordin: Yeah that's what I was trying to tell you :)
[20:55] <BorkisDrizzt> well, tell me :)
[20:55] <DaSkreech> BorkisDrizzt: It doesn't relate to you. But I was just glad I found it!!
[20:56] <[GuS]> hi guys... in Kubuntu inprepid, tha app kpat does not work giving me this error: http://pastebin.com/m1aa5568e
[20:56] <Koordin> ok thanks DaSkreech
[20:56] <BorkisDrizzt> aww
[20:57] <BorkisDrizzt> mkay, guess i'll just reinstall then
[20:58] <Koordin> please could someone tell me what is the difference between "sudo command" and "kdesudo command" and "su ; command ; exit" ?
[21:00] <christian_> bad problems after upgrade to 8.10 :-(
[21:01] <ptl> are there any good problems?
[21:01] <christian_> every time i try to start a game in fullscreen with e.g 800x600 (1280x1024 is my natived desktop res) iit crahse back to login
[21:02] <DaSkreech> Koordin: sudo runs the command as if you were root, kdesudo runs a graphical application (KDE I presume) since you should not run a GUI as sudo and su ; command turns into root for all intents and purposes and runs a command you will remain as root after the command finishes
[21:02] <ptl> Koordin: sudo is a text-based command (although it also exports X11 authentation information), kdesudo is graphiically and KDE-toolkit-based and for "su" you need the root password (which might not exist in the case of sudo and kdesudo)
[21:03] <DaSkreech> !kdesudo
[21:03] <ptl> s/authentation/authentication/
[21:03] <ptl> :)
[21:03] <Koordin> ptl: you also need the root password for sudo and kdesudo
[21:03] <Koordin> DaSkreech and ptl : of thanks
[21:03] <ptl> Koordin: it depends on the sudo configuration, you might need only your own user password
[21:04] <IcyPolecat> hiya, can anyone recommend a front end or less brain twisting tool for generating iptables chain configurations? Ideally KDE native?
[21:04] <DaSkreech> Koordin: It's the only one that makes you root. so You need the root password
[21:04] <ptl> default, it's your password
[21:04] <ptl> IcyPolecat: guarddod, maybe?
[21:04] <DaSkreech> Koordin: Wait. No you don't need root password for sudo
[21:04] <DaSkreech> !firewall
[21:05] <Koordin> DaSkreech and ptl : yes i'm here making a mistake, i'm the only user on my computer so the both passwords should be the same.
[21:05]  * DaSkreech hits uten with a kangaroo
[21:05] <PleXuS> hi all
[21:05] <IcyPolecat> DaSkreech: cheers man.
[21:05] <IcyPolecat> ptl: thx also!
[21:05] <PleXuS> anyone in here who also got kernel panics with latest kernel?
[21:05] <PleXuS> 2.6-27-7
[21:05]  * uten startled by kangaroo but survives thanks to krenew energy drink
[21:06] <DaSkreech> Kurses!
[21:10] <Captain_Haddock> anyone know what the cron manager in KDE 4.1 is called?
[21:10] <PleXuS> anyway my experience stay off the kernel 2.6-27 buggy like hell :)
[21:10] <Captain_Haddock> I thought it was kcron, but apparently not, even though such a package exists and is installed
[21:10] <Alumin> any suggestions on how I could go about completely nuking Mozilla Thunderbird?  I tried purging the packages "thunderbird", "lightning-extension", and "enigmail" and reinstalling, as well as deleting /usr/lib/thunderbird and ~/.mozilla-thunderbird ... but something's still weird
[21:11] <Captain_Haddock> !cron
[21:11] <DaSkreech> Captain_Haddock: kcron
[21:11] <Captain_Haddock> DaSkreech: do you have a menu item for it?
[21:11]  * Captain_Haddock doesn't
[21:11] <DaSkreech> Captain_Haddock: alt+f2 -> kcron
[21:12] <DaSkreech> 7
[21:12] <Captain_Haddock> DaSkreech: from terminal: bash: kcron: command not found
[21:12] <DaSkreech> and it's installed ?
[21:12] <Captain_Haddock> I had a menu item in 3.5 and also used it successfully
[21:12] <Captain_Haddock> yep
[21:12] <snails> fuck you niggers
[21:12] <Captain_Haddock> I've even purged and reinstalled
[21:12] <DaSkreech> sudo apt-get install kcron
[21:13] <Captain_Haddock> "kcron is already the newest version."
[21:14] <PleXuS> don't use cron gui
[21:14] <PleXuS> it sucks
[21:14] <Captain_Haddock> it was fine in 3.5 and worked great
[21:14] <PleXuS> crontab -e is all you need todo :)
[21:15] <Captain_Haddock> one suspicious thing is that when I tried to purge kcron I got "The following packages will be REMOVED  kcron*"
[21:15]  * Captain_Haddock points at suspicious * next to kcron
[21:16] <Captain_Haddock> hmm, I get it for anything I try to purge
[21:16] <Captain_Haddock> so maybe that's normal :|
[21:19] <DaSkreech> Captain_Haddock: System settings -> advanced -> task manager
[21:20] <Captain_Haddock> DaSkreech: aha!
[21:20] <Captain_Haddock> cheers dude :)
[21:21] <danijel> cheers room !
[21:22] <DaSkreech> Cheers
[21:27] <Guest21750> hello
[21:28] <Guest21750> I need some help with kubuntu 8.04
[21:28] <_2> !anybody
[21:28] <DaSkreech> techinically he didn't say anybody. assuming that Guest21750 is a he
[21:29] <_2> DaSkreech  techinically  i didn't say  !anybody |/> Guest21750   either
[21:29] <PleXuS> whats the default kernel for kubuntu 8.10 ?
[21:29] <Guest21750> I'm trying to get my modem working i have the 386 restricted kernel installed
[21:29] <PhilRod> in kmail in intrepid, when I compose a reply, the message window scrolls incredibly slowly. Has anyone else seen the same thing?
[21:29] <gordack> I want a more humanistic version of "linux for humans!" kubuntu 8.10
[21:30] <DaSkreech> gordack: huh?
[21:30] <_2> humanistic?
[21:30] <DaSkreech> New wallpaper?
[21:30] <Guest21750> I cant get ltmodem to install with $ sudo sh -c "echo ltserial >> /etc/modules"
[21:31] <Guest21750> I'm useing this page to go by "https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DialupModemHowto/Lucent"
[21:32] <_2> Guest21750 that command will only write the name of the "ltserial" module to the /etc/modules file (which should make it auto load on your next boot up)  however you can use    sudo modprobe ltserial      to insert the module now.
[21:32] <Guest21750> it fails when i do that
[21:32] <FoeNyx> DaSkreech> through an strace, I found a way to solve my problem ^^' uim-qt can prevent kde4 to work :p ( infinite loop in (un)mmaping Compose.dir, several bug filled for debian, and ubuntu)
[21:32] <_2> what error ?
[21:33] <Guest21750> error inserting
[21:33] <FoeNyx> DaSkreech> thanks for the help earlier :)
[21:33] <DaSkreech> FoeNyx: what's uim-qt ?
[21:33] <_2> Guest21750 full error message please.
[21:33] <DaSkreech> paste bin please
[21:33] <_2> should be one line
[21:34] <FoeNyx> DaSkreech> uim stands for "universal input method" (used with someother modules like anthy to input japanese or scripts)
[21:34] <DaSkreech> skim ?
[21:34] <FoeNyx> DaSkreech> similar to skim yes
[21:36] <Guest21750> FATAL ERROR INSERTING ltserial (/lib/modules/2.624-21-386/voltatile/ltserial.ko): no such device
[21:36] <_2> so the module is not there.   that could be a problem...
[21:37] <_2> if you copied and pasted that, the path looks wrong.
[21:37] <DaSkreech> FoeNyx: Ah ok do you need it ?
[21:37] <_2> '624'
[21:37] <DaSkreech> yeah that looks funky
[21:37] <gordack> I have been trying to install kubuntu for 2 days. first I triend to install it on my external hdd and it didnt work, in addition I got Mbr errors. Solution for that was not friendly. then I tried to install kubuntu on my inner hard drive. I am using raid 0 setup and I realised that kubuntu doesnt see my raid 0 setup ! thenI found a solution for that and again it wasnt friendly. then I triend to install kubuntu 8.10 with wubi ( install inside windows )
[21:37] <DaSkreech>  hi preppysob99
[21:37] <gordack> and again it doesnt work. I saw the dual boot screen , pressed on kubuntu and again nothing happened. tried safety boot methods none of them worked. Im using kubuntu on my vmware workstation it works perfectly but I really really wanted to see the effects of compiz-fusion and vmware doesnt support opengl so I cant see the effects of it. anyway i think kubuntu installatin is a totall disaster.
[21:37] <Guest21750> i did not
[21:37] <preppysob99> Why wont this menu.lst boot? http://pastebin.com/m4da2bdda
[21:38] <DaSkreech> gordack:
[21:38] <DaSkreech> what's the current state?
[21:38] <preppysob99> boot vista*
[21:38] <dwidmann_> preppysob99: try commenting out "make active"
[21:38] <gordack> which state ? last method that I tried it "wubi". kubuntu installs perfectly but it doesnt boot.
[21:39] <DaSkreech> preppysob99: You are missing a chainloader +1
[21:39] <_2> Guest21750 find /lib/modules -iname ltserial.ko
[21:39] <dwidmann_> and/or savedefault
[21:39] <novikovav> hi, can u help me? how to install programs from .bin files
[21:39] <DaSkreech> gordack: That's still installed ?
[21:39] <DaSkreech> novikovav: ./name.bon
[21:39] <Guest21750> it's volatile sorry
[21:39] <gordack> yes
[21:39] <DaSkreech> name.bin
[21:39] <_2> Guest21750 find /lib/modules -iname ltserial.ko
[21:39] <DaSkreech> gordack: how far does the boot get to?
[21:39] <_2> command   ^
[21:40] <novikovav> thx, but i know it.....java error
[21:40] <preppysob99> everytime i put chainloader +1 I get an error
[21:40] <DaSkreech> novikovav: fix java then
[21:40] <preppysob99> can u make the mods and repost them
[21:40] <novikovav> how to fix it?
[21:40] <DaSkreech> novikovav: No Clue I don't know what the error is
[21:41] <novikovav> wait..
[21:41] <gordack> I saw the logo of kubuntu, then my screen went black. then ı restarted my computer and pressed "esc" to go to menu I tried all of the ways at there 5 ways except live boot. It was checking my harddrives then it enters in a loop and that loop was about my sata drives
[21:41] <preppysob99> DaSkreech: can you make the modifcations and repost them
[21:41] <Guest21750> i typed "find /lib/modules -iname ltserial.ko" in a console
[21:41] <preppysob99> please
[21:42] <_2> Guest21750 yes   and ?
[21:42] <DaSkreech> gordack: what was the error?
[21:42] <_2> Guest21750 i'm assuming it didn't find it   ?
[21:43] <trappist> I'm redeploying an app, trying to db:migrate the development db (sqlite3) from scratch, and it whines about "could not find table 'users'" when it's supposed to be creating that table
[21:43] <trappist> any ideas why?
[21:43] <gordack> I cant really remember. give me 2 min to boot again
[21:43] <Guest21750> it had a line
[21:43] <FoeNyx> DaSkreech> I use it everyday, but as it still work with gnome I can use a gnome app as workaround for the moment. It was just very hard to find the link between two conflicting element :p
[21:43] <FoeNyx> DaSkreech> have a nice day
[21:43] <_2> Guest21750  is the path the same as in the error message from the modprobe command?
[21:43] <DaSkreech> preppysob99: http://pastebin.com/m52ae9081
[21:44] <Guest21750> yes
[21:44] <_2> hmmm
[21:44] <trappist> oops wrong channel
[21:44] <alexei> hi, where is KDict in Ubuntu Intrepid?
[21:44] <_2> Guest21750  ok,  the kernel is then telling you that there is no modem which that module supports.
[21:45] <preppysob99> Thanks DaSkreech
[21:45] <Guest21750> its an agere
[21:45] <dwidmann_> alexei: possibly nowhere to be found ... apt-cache search found nothing
[21:46] <_2> !winmodem Guest21750
[21:46] <_2> !winmodem | Guest21750
[21:46] <_2> see if that helps any  ^
[21:47] <Guest21750> ok many thanks for trying
[21:48] <_2> Guest21750  i see you have already been there.
[21:48] <_2> and here too
[21:48] <_2> oh well.
[21:48] <DaSkreech> !java > novikovav
[21:49] <AlienWeasel> :)
[21:50] <preppysob99> DaSkreech: its not booting Vista, its giving me this: Error 13: Invalid or unsupported executable format
[21:50] <dwidmann> preppysob99: come to think of things, on a different note, I don't think that the section for windows is supposed to be in the debian automagic section or it may decide to disappear next time you do a kernel upgrade.
[21:51] <preppysob99> Ok
[21:51] <preppysob99> But also I dont want it after Ubuntu
[21:52] <dwidmann> preppysob99: then put it at the top of the file?
[21:52] <preppysob99> so can i put it before the automagic section
[21:52] <preppysob99> ok
[21:52] <gordack> ok the error was : ata 1.00 wc timeout , ata 1.00 failed to identigy I/O error then busybox v1.10.2 opened  and at the last line  (initramfs)
[21:52] <gordack> and same for ata2.00 ata 3.00 ata 4.00 and so on
[21:53] <preppysob99> but thats not the problem is it dwidmann
[21:53] <DaSkreech> gordack: can you tell me the out put of ls /dev/sd* ?
[21:53] <dwidmann> preppysob99: nope, like I said, that's a different problem
[21:54] <preppysob99> Should I make it execute winload.exe ?
[21:54] <dwidmann> preppysob99: are you *absolutely* certain that windows vista resides on (hd0,0) and not some other partition?
[21:55] <preppysob99> Or should it automatically be loading windows with root (hd0,0)
[21:55] <preppysob99> and yes dwidmann
[21:55] <_2> or disk  ^
[21:55] <dwidmann> preppysob99: okay, just asking, because if it isn't ... that could easily cause an error 13
[21:56] <preppysob99> Does sda mean (hd0,0) ?
[21:57] <preppysob99> like /dev/sda
[21:57] <_2> no
[21:57] <preppysob99> and /dev/sdc = (hd3,0)
[21:57] <dwidmann> preppysob99: well, it can
[21:57] <dwidmann> preppysob99: sdc would be hd2
[21:57] <preppysob99> ohhhh
[21:57] <_2> (hd0) means the first thing that bios tries to boot
[21:58] <_2> first hdd that is  ^\
[21:58] <_2> if you change the order in bios then (hd0) changes accordingly
[21:58] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[21:59] <dwidmann> _2: or should .... grub gets so confused sometime, almost as confused as me.
[22:00] <_2> dwidmann well.   grub is week through it's use of bios to find and read disks.
[22:00] <_2> and bloated in that it's mbr is larger than 512 b    which violates posix i think
[22:02] <Gordack> ok back, I wrote "ls /dev/sd* : No such file or directory
[22:02] <dwidmann> what might be somewhat more ideal would be if the device.map could take UUIDs ...
[22:02] <ActionParsnip> _2: A master boot record (MBR), or partition sector, is the 512-byte boot sector that is the first sector ("LBA Sector 0") of a partitioned data storage device such as a hard disk.
[22:02] <ActionParsnip> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_boot_record
[22:03] <_2> ActionParsnip and when grub installs to MBR it writes more than 512 bytes
[22:03] <ActionParsnip> really
[22:03] <_2> yep
[22:03] <ActionParsnip> how can I see mine?
[22:03] <ActionParsnip> and how big
[22:04] <ActionParsnip> i thought it wrote very little to MBR but booted the /boot partition on the actual drive space
[22:04] <slow-motion> n8
[22:04] <_2> dd if=/dev/hda count=2
[22:05] <ActionParsnip> 1Ko
[22:05] <_2> ActionParsnip 512 is "little" compaired to the rest of it's files.  but it writes beyond the MBR and hoses my fs when i try to install grub.    lilo on the other hand installs nicely.
[22:05] <Gordack> hey
[22:06] <alekz> Hey, I just compiled the serial monkey rt2500 drivers. Anyone know how I get them to work (permanently, without needing to run a bunch of commands on boot-up)?
[22:06] <_2> ActionParsnip yes 1k out  because you wanted to see beyond the normal 512
[22:06] <alekz> Oh, I'm on Hardy by the way.
[22:06] <ActionParsnip> _2: lilo is nice, seems grub is running the show right now with ubuntu using it in most of its varients (unlike other systems which give a choice)
[22:06] <preppysob99> Ok now that I fixed the (hds) its getting here: Starting up... <newline> Please wait... Eror: 21
[22:06] <_2> ActionParsnip indeed.
[22:07] <ActionParsnip> alekz: create a bash script and add it to the startup to automatically run the commands is one soloution
[22:07] <Gordack> preppysob99 did u install kubuntu on external hdd ?
[22:07] <_2> !autostart | alekz
[22:08]  * SkEmO is away
[22:08] <alekz> _2, ActionParsnip: Not exactly what I'm looking for, but thanks.
[22:08] <_2> that used to have info about init scripts too...
[22:08] <alekz> Looking for a some network configuration thingie to blacklist and autoload a module.
[22:08] <_2> alekz i think you are looking for the init script.
[22:09] <_2> alekz /etc/rc.local  maybe.
[22:09] <_2> alekz if not  then adding the module name to /etc/modules  maybe
[22:09] <alekz> Nah, that's not it. Some stuff in /etc/modprobe or /etc/network or something if I remember correctly.
[22:10] <preppysob99> Gordack: no
[22:11]  * _2 notes that alekz expects #kubuntu to be mind readers, and automaticly know what "(permanently, without needing to run a bunch of commands on boot-up)   really means.  
[22:11] <ActionParsnip> alekz: adding it to /etc/modules wil make it load at bootup. I'm not sure where you must store it to make it accessible
[22:11] <alekz> _2: Though I don't know the module names. Sorry if I'm rude.
[22:11] <estan> gah. i'm going insane. with intrepid, when i use external monitor, the monitor turns itself off every few seconds.
[22:11] <estan> anyone had that?
[22:12] <estan> it's extremely annoying, i think i might go epilleptic ;)
[22:12] <ActionParsnip> estan: drop refresh rate a little
[22:12] <_2> alekz if you would tell us the "commands" that you are now having to run,  we might be able to better help you.
[22:12] <bdgraue> dmesg | tail
[22:12] <bdgraue> ah sry, wrong window
[22:13] <alekz> _2: I just reinstalled my computer, so it's not even working at the moment. But the driver compiled and installed without errors (seems to have installed to the right directory too)
[22:15] <_2> alekz but are you having to issue  "modprobe, ifconfig, iptables, ..."  command to make things work.    see you started with the basic "how can i automate these command/s" question.  but without knowing what kind of command that's a pretty open ended question.
[22:15] <techno> Hi, can somebody please tell me how to sync my palm with kubuntu 8.10?
[22:16] <Neremor> hello!
[22:16] <Neremor> http://www.onlyfree.de/php/pasteservice/show.php?id=15952
[22:16] <Neremor> i get this error message if i try to launch an windows program using wine... what do i have to install ??
[22:17] <alekz> Hmmm... thanks _2. I'll look into it a little bit more and come back later. Thank you.
[22:17] <_2> welcome
[22:17] <estan> ActionParsnip: i realized what it was, it was this bug; https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/275152
[22:17] <estan> fixed it by turning off the RandR mode detection thing in system settings.
[22:20] <Neremor> ??
[22:20] <Ketrel_> I have a problem with kicker in kde 3.5.  Most times when I close a program, the icon remains in kicker until I open a new one.
[22:31] <ruben> hola
[22:32] <DaSkreech> hola
[22:32] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[22:33] <ruben> tu tu tu
[22:47] <bonobo> spss
[22:48] <_2> BOO!
[22:49]  * ActionParsnip jumps in fright
[22:49]  * _2 didn't know fright was a place  ???
[22:49] <bonobo> hi, anybody knows where I can find SPSS?
[22:49] <DaSkreech> s/fright/freight/
[22:50]  * _2 hides from spelling NAZI
[22:50] <ActionParsnip> _2: http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=fright&ie=UTF8&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=6.881357,14.941406&latlng=51817550,4699825,3376851383567103422&ei=rroYSeuVKaeY2AK1iIj3Bw&cd=2
[22:51] <DaSkreech> ActionParsnip: Geek Response of the day Award goes to.....
[22:51] <_2> :)
[22:51] <ActionParsnip> hahah
[22:52] <_2> !find spss
[22:52] <sirios31> ciao
[22:54] <bonobo> ?
[22:55] <_2> not me bonobo   sorry
[22:57] <bonobo> ok, thx _2 :)
[23:06] <_2> hmmm freenode is dying,   what network is taking it's place ?
[23:16] <DaSkreech> _2: proprietarynode
[23:17] <DaSkreech> bonobo: What's SPSS ?
[23:18] <bonobo> Statistical Analysis Software
[23:20] <Ketrel_> anyone know about my kicker problem?
[23:21] <DaSkreech> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/37647
[23:21] <JontheEchidna> Ketrel_: running compiz?
[23:21] <JontheEchidna> iirc there's an issue like that with compiz
[23:22] <DaSkreech> bonobo: http://www.derekhildreth.com/blog/spss-alternative-for-linux-ubuntu-tutorial/
[23:23] <Ketrel_> JontheEchidna: sometimes, but I havent' had it running for over a month, but it still happens
[23:23] <JontheEchidna> weird
[23:25] <bonobo> DaSkreech: thx, it sounds good
[23:25] <bonobo> I'm going to intall it
[23:28] <Ketrel_> JontheEchidna: I do have the pager applet in kicker, lemme remove it and see if it fixes it
[23:29] <lorenzo> hi, how do I add launchers to the panel, such as a firefox launcher? thanks
[23:33] <ilham> lorenzo: right click from menu
[23:34] <lorenzo> ilham, what do you mean?
[23:34] <s0undt3ch> ppl adept_manager keeps crashing on me :\
[23:34] <s0undt3ch> can't launch it
[23:35] <s0undt3ch> I'm on intrepid
[23:35] <ilham> lorenzo: Menu -> internet -> firefox (right click - add item to main panel)
[23:36] <dwidmann> s0undt3ch: try to start it from a console, see what error message it spits out
[23:36] <lorenzo> ilham, oh that is cool! thanks a lot
[23:36] <s0undt3ch> KCrash: Application 'adept_manager' crashing...
[23:36] <s0undt3ch> KCrash cannot reach kdeinit, launching directly.
[23:36] <s0undt3ch> dwidmann: and that's it
[23:37] <ilham> lorenzo: no problem
[23:38] <lorenzo> one more question: when I browse directories all my folder icons are grey and ugly, not the default kde style. how can i fix it?
[23:38] <dwidmann> s0undt3ch: humm, try running "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade" and see if there are any upgrades available ... also, I do recall having a bit of trouble with apt and an incorrect file that was fixed with the "update" part. Wouldn't surprise me if Adept fell prey to that as well.
[23:38] <s0undt3ch> dwidmann: upgrading as we talk
[23:39] <ilham> lorenzo: try this, menu -> system setting -> appearance -> icons (select your icon)
[23:42] <lorenzo> ilham, yeah, the default oxygen icon set is selected but if i browse through the folders, the icons are not the same as i see on the desktop for example
[23:43] <lorenzo> ilham, in fact, under "all icons" in the advanced tab there are no icons shown...
[23:43] <ilham> lorenzo: try select others icon first.
[23:43] <s0undt3ch> dwidmann: funny I had intrepid's pinning with extremely low priority, so a bunch of packages were not upgraded, let's see if that's it
[23:44] <dwidmann> s0undt3ch: I'm more than willing to bet it could be/could cause trouble
[23:44] <lorenzo> ilham, yeah i tried crystal svg and human but it wouldnt solve the problem.
[23:46] <jtheuer> hi, anyone who also has many repaint errors especially in konsole? (ibex, nvidia, kde, compiz window manager)
[23:46] <s0undt3ch> dwidmann: well, 726 megs to download?! yes, I bet, I wonder why the upgrade tool didn't complain about that pinning pref
[23:46] <dscogin> newbs
[23:46] <lorenzo> ilham, ah you know what, the ugly grey icons are the gnome default :) should i get rid of them (and can i, without messing things up?) thanks!
[23:47] <dwidmann> s0undt3ch: I ran into issues regarding pinning on my laptop too ... held back xserver-xorg-video-intel (and other things as a result of that) ... took me a while to remember that I had pinned that one to an old version.
[23:47] <ilham> no problem
[23:48] <lorenzo> ilham, so you think uninstalling the gnome icons will solve the problem?
[23:50] <seba> !es
[23:52] <ilham> lorenzo: no need to uninstall, just add other kde icon
[23:53] <lorenzo> ilham, add other icon? but i already am using the default icon theme, what should I add to that?