[00:44] <sevenseeker> Hello, I need advice on how to organize 'projects' for my company.  (open source contributions)
[00:45] <sevenseeker> There will be several projects under one umbrella and several teams.  How should I best organize this?
[00:49] <lifeless> sevenseeker: assuming these projects are yours, make several projects, ask for a project group to be created, and create several teams
[00:50] <sevenseeker> lifeless: well that was painless, thank you for the information
[03:38] <jelmer> Is there a particular reason why launchpad doesn't mirror ftp:// URLs?
[03:38] <lifeless> for bzr you mean?
[03:38] <jelmer> yeah
[03:38] <lifeless> file a bug
[03:38] <lifeless> no particular reason it shouldn't
[03:39] <jelmer> "Launchpad has not been able to mirror this branch. The last attempt was 1 minute ago. (Launchpad does not mirror ftp:// URLs.) Launchpad will try again in 11 hours. If you have fixed the problem, please ask Launchpad to try again."
[03:39] <jelmer> Will do, thanks
[03:41] <jelmer> I like how it says it's going to retry in 11 hours.. perhaps it hopes it will have ftp:// support by then ? ;-)
[03:42] <lifeless> well it accepted the url, so its not blascklisted
[03:42] <lifeless> its likely just a firewall hole that needs punched for the new machine
[03:42] <lifeless> spm: ^
[03:42] <spm> lifeless: is a firewall issue
[03:43] <lifeless> spm: if the old machine had it open, it should be a no-brainer to open for the new ? :>
[03:43] <spm> errr - no. :-) Different network.
[03:45] <spm> fwiw, this came out in the migration. it was determined we had approx 2-5? ftp:// (attempted) mirrors - none of which ever worked. So the 'ftp' access was left... broken I suppose.
[03:53] <lifeless> ah
[07:41] <Aron_> is there any launchpad admin ?
[07:42] <Aron_> bac: are you here?
[07:43] <Aron_> still on Sunday?
[07:48] <Aron_> gmb: are you here?
[07:50] <Aron_> ...
[07:50] <Aron_> mars: and are you here?I need your help
[07:53] <Aron_> no reply ....
[07:55] <intellectronica> Aron_: what's up?
[07:55] <Aron_> I need an admin to approve my pot file and delete the wrong series
[07:57] <intellectronica> Aron_: i'm afraid it will be another couple of hours until someone can deal with this (the relevant people are just waking up). could you file questions for this? i'll make sure someone looks at them asap
[07:58] <Aron_> https://answers.launchpad.net/~cnfavor
[07:59] <intellectronica> Aron_: oh, excellent. won't be long, then
[08:00] <Aron_> I write them in Answer yesterday
[08:00] <intellectronica> yes, i can see that
[08:01] <intellectronica> unfortunately for you, most of the people who can help you are in europe or the us, so they are only starting the week now or in the next few hours
[08:02] <Aron_> oh
[08:02] <intellectronica> Aron_: so, you're working on enlightenment?
[08:02] <intellectronica> i was just chatting with someone about it the other day. haven't followed the project much in the last few years
[08:03] <intellectronica> does it still look gorgeous? are there stable releases now?
[08:05] <intellectronica> Aron_: also, why a special project for translations? is there no enlightenment project?
[08:05] <intellectronica> and if not, why not create one?
[08:07] <Aron_> I just maintain the translations
[08:08] <Aron_> intellectronica: what's more ,we just use svn before
[08:08] <Aron_> intellectronica: there is too much work for me and to tell the truth ,only a few people knows how to do translations for enlightenment
[08:10] <intellectronica> Aron_: right, but what i mean is, why not set up a project for enlightenment, pull the sources from svn, register the bug tracker, etc, so that the project has a more complete representation on launchpad?
[08:11] <Aron_> intellectronica: there is one created by someone seems not in the e project
[08:11] <Aron_> and I cannot import the svn because he imported first,but I have checked that he failed
[08:12] <intellectronica> Aron_: oh, which project is it?
[08:12] <Aron_> wait a minute,find for you
[08:13] <Aron_> intellectronica: https://launchpad.net/e17
[08:14] <intellectronica> Aron_: cool, so, why don't you use that project for translations?
[08:14] <Aron_> I cannot contact the project owner
[08:15] <Aron_> and he seems not a person who is in e project :
[08:15] <Aron_> enlightenment.org
[08:15] <intellectronica> Aron_: should be quite easy, given that he's a launchpad developer :)
[08:15] <intellectronica> Aron_: his nick is rockstar
[08:16] <intellectronica> Aron_: and i'm sure he's be thrilled to collaborate if you write to him
[08:16] <Aron_> and rockstar seems a launchpad admin
[08:16] <Aron_> https://help.launchpad.net/HelpRotation
[08:16] <Aron_> look at this
[08:17] <intellectronica> Aron_: the people on that list are not all admins. every launchpad developer does community help shifts
[08:17] <Aron_> ooh
[08:21] <Aron_> you means I'd better contact him?
[08:23] <Aron_> rockstar: are you on now?
[08:23] <Aron_> intellectronica: did you see what I said?
[08:24] <intellectronica> Aron_: he won't be around for some time, i think, but send him an email, and i'll also mention it to him when he comes online
[08:26] <Aron_> OK,I would send it in a while
[08:26] <Aron_> intellectronica: a big thanks to you\
[08:27] <intellectronica> Aron_: my pleasure
[08:32] <Aron_> intellectronica: I am just busy now,I will write the mail in an hour,:)
[08:33] <intellectronica> Aron_: i think you have a few more hours before rockstar will be around. take your time ;)
[08:34] <Aron_> that's good
[08:53] <Aron_> intellectronica: the email have been sent out
[08:54] <intellectronica> excellent
[09:32] <Aron_> intellectronica: back
[09:33] <intellectronica> Aron_: ?
[09:34] <Aron_> I just left a minute ago
[10:14] <Hobbsee> Can someone either a) add the jaunty ppas, or b) announce to launchpad-users that jaunty ppas are not open yet please?  This is the second time the question has been raised in a couple of days
[10:14]  * wgrant wants the clicky-clicky checkboxes.
[10:14] <Hobbsee> which clicky clicky checkboxes?
[12:03] <Aron> intellectronica: did you see him?
[12:03] <intellectronica> Aron: who, rockstar? no, not yet
[12:04] <Aron> intellectronica: oh
[12:04] <intellectronica> Aron: look at his profile. there's a map ;)
[12:05] <Aron> intellectronica: ok
[12:09] <Aron> intellectronica: it seems still a long time to wait for his waking up...
[12:09] <intellectronica> yes, probably ~4h
[12:10] <Aron> it will be 0:00 of tomorrow in 4h here
[12:11] <Aron> ...
[12:11] <Hobbsee> and?
[12:19] <intellectronica> Hobbsee: so when it's other people's sleep you're not so concerned, eh? :D
[12:19] <Hobbsee> intellectronica: no, it's just that he's been asking repeatedly all weekend too.
[12:20] <Hobbsee> although i guess it is technically UK working week now
[12:21] <intellectronica> it is uk working week. not all of us are in the uk, though
[12:21] <intellectronica> anyway, it's now technically lunch time in the uk, so...
[12:22] <Aron> ...
[12:22] <Aron> sorry for asking so repeatly
[12:26] <Ursinha> Hobbsee, maybe he's asking because he needs help :)
[12:26] <Ursinha> Aron, the code people that could help are in the US and australia/new zealand
[12:27] <Aron> Ursinha: I know that during these two days but thank you all the same :)
[12:27] <Ursinha> Aron, so you can wait a few or many hours, but they'll definitely be here
[12:27] <Ursinha> Aron, but these days were weekend ;)
[12:27] <Hobbsee> Ursinha: yes, i'm sure he does...
[12:28] <Aron> I know...
[12:28] <Aron> But only during weekends I can do these things.
[12:28] <Ursinha> Aron, sorry 'bout that
[12:30] <Aron> np
[12:34] <Hobbsee> Ah, yes.  Speaking of weekend questions, did anyone look at the timeouts that happened over the weekend?
[12:34] <Hobbsee> I documented them here, and what they were from, but don't know if anything happened.
[12:34] <Hobbsee> adeuring, oh community liason guy, could you tell me please?
[12:36] <adeuring> Hobbsee: hadn't had yet the time to look at the questions
[12:51] <Hobbsee> adeuring: oh, so should I file a question?
[12:51] <adeuring> Hobbsee: please do
[12:51] <Hobbsee> where's the question link again?
[12:51] <Hobbsee> !logs
[12:55] <Hobbsee> adeuring: there you go.  https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/50893
[12:55] <adeuring> Hobbsee: thanks
[12:55] <Hobbsee> adeuring: you're welcome.  I hope it gets fixed.
[13:00] <intellectronica> adeuring, Hobbsee: i think bugs are better suited for reports about oopses
[13:00]  * intellectronica now really goes lunching
[13:09] <Hobbsee> oh, wow.
[13:09] <Hobbsee> You can easily switch a question to a project, or a distribution now
[13:11]  * Hobbsee wonders when that happened, and when bugs will grow that feature
[13:12] <Hobbsee> intellectronica: in some ways.
[13:15] <Ursinha> Hobbsee, I'd be better to file a bug indeed
[13:16] <NCommander> I keep getting lpia builds that fail to upload :-/
[13:16] <wgrant> NCommander: Which builds?
[13:17] <NCommander> xfce4-terminal, and xfce-mcs-manager
[13:17] <NCommander> The later cleared itself automatically
[13:17] <NCommander> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-terminal/0.2.8.3-0ubuntu1/+build/772870
[13:17] <NCommander> should I simply retry?
[13:17] <wgrant> Hahaa.
[13:17] <wgrant> Nice.
[13:17] <wgrant> Erm.
[13:17] <wgrant> That's not good.
[13:18] <NCommander> ?
[13:18] <wgrant> A retry will probably fix it... but that's a very odd trace.
[13:18] <NCommander> What trace?
[13:18] <wgrant> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/19535905/upload_772870_log.txt
[13:18] <NCommander> O_o;
[13:18] <wgrant> Your upload was unimportant.
[13:18] <wgrant> Or maybe there just wasn't an upload.
[13:18] <NCommander> That's the message I got on the previous xfce-mcs-terminal
[13:19] <wgrant> No Soyuz people around now, of course.
[13:19]  * NCommander just got his debhelper7 hardy-backports accepted email
[13:19] <NCommander> :-)!
[13:20] <NCommander> wgrant, it uploaded by itself now
[13:20] <wgrant> Ursinha: You might want to poke a Soyuz person about those issues...
[13:20] <Ursinha> bigjools, ^
[13:21] <bigjools> just going to lunch, will check it later
[13:21] <wgrant> Ah, his away message tricked me.
[13:22] <Hobbsee> Ursinha: bugs get handled relatively quickly now?
[13:23] <Ursinha> Hobbsee, we do our best
[13:23] <Hobbsee> at least, given a first response?
[13:23] <Ursinha> if directed to launchpad, I guess so
[13:23] <Ursinha> launchpad-*
[13:23] <Ursinha> we're trying to keep the queue 0
[13:24] <Hobbsee> Ursinha: right, because this one is probably directed at soyuz, so I thought sending it thru the answer tracker for launchpad might have made it get looked at quicker
[13:24] <Ursinha> Hobbsee, not really
[13:24] <bigjools> ok I looked already
[13:24] <Ursinha> bugs have higher priority, imo
[13:24] <bigjools> I see a versioning problem
[13:25] <bigjools> the log is a bit borked for sure, but there's already a higher version uploaded
[13:25] <bigjools> ah no I am blind
[13:25] <wgrant> No there isn't....
[13:25] <wgrant> Heh.
[13:25]  * bigjools really needs food!
[13:26] <wgrant> I missed the .3 at first.
[13:26]  * bigjools -> gone for a but
[13:26] <bigjools> bit*
[13:26] <bigjools> sigh
[13:26] <kiko> indeed
[13:26] <wgrant> Pfft, no eating.
[13:26] <kiko> happy typo day
[13:26] <Ursinha> haha
[13:26] <Ursinha> hey kiko
[13:27] <kiko> morning Ursinha
[13:27] <kiko> what's new in the western world?
[13:27] <Ursinha> a few bugs, the usual :)
[13:27] <Ursinha> where are you now?
[13:27] <Hobbsee> bugs, questoins, and discovering new features on the answer tracker!
[13:27] <kiko> home!
[13:27] <wgrant> kiko: Where have you been lately? Just London?
[13:28] <kiko> I went to the beach this weekend, but the week before I was in London
[13:28] <wgrant> Ah.
[13:28] <Ursinha> quite a different weather
[13:28] <Ursinha> :)
[13:29] <Hobbsee> bigjools: hmmm, should https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/soyuz/+bug/289803 be effective on edge?
[13:30]  * Hobbsee wonders if she was hitting that timeout, or another timeout
[13:31] <kiko> Hobbsee, always time to try again :)
[13:31] <Hobbsee> kiko: hmm?
[13:32] <kiko> you have an OOPS handy will make the guesswork easier
[13:33] <Ursinha> Hobbsee, I
[13:33] <wgrant> Are those the OOPSes in the answery/questiony thing?
[13:33] <Hobbsee> kiko: i mentioned the question link with all the oopses in it earlier, perhaps it was before you were here.  https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/50893
[13:33] <Ursinha> Hobbsee, I'll turn that question into a bug
[13:33]  * wgrant has turned many a bug into a question, but not tried the other way.
[13:36] <Ursinha> wgrant, there is the "Create bug report" option on the side portlet
[13:36] <Ursinha> have you tried it before?
[13:36] <wgrant> Ah.
[13:38] <Hobbsee> it looks pretty simple to do, which is a big help
[13:39] <Ursinha> :)
[13:41] <joumetal> how does launchpad manage tags? for example https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=edgyeft doesn't make sense to me.
[13:42] <Hobbsee> joumetal: i don't think they do - it seems to be a free-for-all
[13:42] <Hobbsee> i'm not sure anyone can delete tags, either
[13:42] <wgrant> We have an unfortunate number of tags defined in Ubuntu.
[13:42] <kiko> Hobbsee, anybody can delete a tag: just stop using it, it's gone
[13:42] <wgrant> Hobbsee: They seem to vanish from most listings when they have no open bugs referencing them.
[13:43] <kiko> they vanish altogether when no bugs stop referencing them -- tags are not a hard piece of data on their own
[13:43] <wgrant> kiko: Do they give users the warning if somebody tries to use an unused tag again?
[13:43] <kiko> well no bugs reference them, sorry
[13:43] <kiko> yes
[13:43] <wgrant> Ah, good.
[13:43] <Hobbsee> oh, do they?  Is that new?
[13:43] <wgrant> I think we just have lots of bugs.
[13:43] <wgrant> And some of them are closed.
[13:43] <kiko> no, they have always been that way
[13:43] <kiko> man
[13:43] <kiko> wow
[13:43] <wgrant> So they're hidden from the counts, but still reference things.
[13:43] <kiko> those oopses are very interesting
[13:44] <Hobbsee> Last time I checked, i thought i saw lots of tags with 0 bugs there.
[13:44] <kiko> bigjools, did you see them?
[13:44] <Hobbsee> kiko: what are they?
[13:44] <wgrant> Hobbsee: IIRC there was a bug that meant if they were referenced by closed bugs, they would show up there with a 0 count. I think that might have been fixed.
[13:44] <Hobbsee> wgrant: ahhh.  That might have been what I saw
[13:44] <kiko> a single query
[13:45] <kiko> yeah, it's a 'feature' of the bug listing that closed bugs won't show up by default even when you think they might (as in a tags search)
[13:45] <joumetal> that is why i am asking. edgyeft has 1 invalid bug and 1 fixreleased. still it's showing 1 bug in https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs
[13:45] <wgrant> A hypermassive single query?
[13:47] <wgrant> joumetal: Ah, you've found a bug.
[13:47] <wgrant> Duplicates aren't excluded from that count.
[13:47] <wgrant> Bug #57435 is that one bug.
[13:49] <joumetal> wgrant: would it be easy to fix?
[13:49] <wgrant> joumetal: I presume so, but I'm no Launchpad dev. You could file a bug at https://bugs.launchpad.net/malone/+filebug.
[13:51]  * joumetal starts writing it
[13:54] <Aron> rockstar: all you here?
[13:55] <Aron> seems not yet
[13:58] <Ursinha> hey Hobbsee, bug 296323
[13:59] <Ursinha> feel free to add comments, please
[13:59] <wgrant> Ursinha: Hobbsee went to bed a while ago, I'm afraid.
[13:59] <Ursinha> oh, ok :)
[14:08] <joumetal> it was bug 59160
[14:09] <wgrant> Ah, indeed.
[14:11] <joumetal> any launchpad dev here willing to subscribe?
[14:15] <kiko> I'm not sure why that bug happens, but launchpad devs are already subscribed to that bug
[14:16] <zooko> Hm..  Is there a delay between doing a bzr push and seeing the result on https://code.launchpad.net/~zooko/pyopenssl/buildbinaries ?
[14:19] <Ursinha> zooko, a few minutes, I guess
[14:26] <zooko> Yep, there it is.
[14:26] <zooko> Next question: can I erase a branch entirely?  I accidentally created one under the wrong name.
[14:27] <beuno> zooko, yeap, just go to the branch and click on the red icon next to the title
[14:31] <zooko> Thanks!
[14:37] <fta> pleeeeease, open the ppa gates to jaunty.. ppas are now an important part of my workflow :P
[14:37] <joumetal> how about marking it triaged. it might be easy to fix it for person knowing that part of code well.
[14:38] <cprov> fta: the decision belongs to the archive-admins at this point, so #ubuntu-devel might be a better place to discuss it.
[14:44] <bigjools> Ursinha: I think the timeouts are because of the DB issue
[14:50] <SteveA> flacoste: ping
[14:50] <flacoste> hi SteveA!
[15:05] <bigjools> NCommander: did you retry your builds?
[15:15] <Andre_Gondim> Ursinha, podes dá uma palavra?
[15:15] <Ursinha> Andre_Gondim, diga
[15:16] <Andre_Gondim> Ursinha, eu sou péssimo para procurar bugs, tu pode ver se há um bug para mim?
[15:16] <Ursinha> diga, deixa ver se consigo ajudar
[15:17] <Andre_Gondim> Ursinha, no rosetta na lista de pacote às vezes aparece como não traduzida duas strings ou uma só, mas só que isso são coisas automáticas preenchidas pelo próprios rosetta, então o lance é para ter zero, vou pegar um link para te mostrar
[15:17] <Ursinha> jisus, não entendi nada :)
[15:18] <Andre_Gondim> Ursinha, olha só https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/adept/+pots/adept-installer/pt_BR/+translate?show=untranslated
[15:19] <Andre_Gondim> Ursinha, isso é preenchido automaticamente, então não deveria aparecer como não traduzido, o pacote era para aparecer como 100% traduzido, entendeu?
[15:23] <Andre_Gondim> Ursinha, entendeu?
[15:23] <Ursinha> Andre_Gondim, só um minutenho :)
[15:23] <Ursinha> por favor
[15:24] <Andre_Gondim> ok
[15:31] <bigjools> Ursinha: shall I repeat some of the pt_br you taught me? :)
[15:33] <Ursinha> bigjools, no, please
[15:33] <Ursinha> hahahahaha
[15:35] <hyperair> can someone do something about the attachment at the bottom of this page: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/acpi-support/+bug/59695
[15:35] <hyperair> some idiot got pwnd by a virus and/or uploaded a html file attachment =.=
[15:36] <adeuring> hyperair: thanks for the heads up! I'll ask an admin to take care of it
[15:37] <hyperair> np
[15:37] <Ursinha> Andre_Gondim, eu nao entendi a parte de ser automaticamente preenchido pelo rosetta
[15:39] <Andre_Gondim> Ursinha, tipo, se alguém foi lá e traduziu o rosetta já boto o nome lá, não é preenchido por ninguém, então não deveria aparecer no status como não traduzida
[15:40] <Ursinha> Andre_Gondim, hmm
[15:41] <Andre_Gondim> Ursinha, entendeu?
[15:42] <Ursinha> sim
[15:49] <Ursinha> danilos, hey
[15:49] <Ursinha> danilos, can you give me a hand here, please? :)
[15:49] <danilos> Ursinha: just give me a few minutes to retrain my brain to a new language and I'll be ready to go :)
[15:50] <Ursinha> danilos, I won't expect you to talk any portuguese :P
[15:51] <danilos> Ursinha: ok then, that saves us those few minutes :)
[15:51] <Ursinha> danilos, seriously, are you busy now?
[15:53] <Ursinha> danilos, Andre_Gondim pointed that in https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/adept/+pots/adept-installer/pt_BR/+translate?show=untranslated the package shows as not completed but it actually is
[15:53] <danilos> Ursinha: it's a known bug, it happens with translator credits
[15:53] <Ursinha> I couldn't find it among lp bugs
[15:54] <Ursinha> one day I'll be a bug ninja such as matsubara
[15:54] <danilos> Ursinha: it's being worked on, but because it has performance implications and is not the easiest fix around, it's not high priority atm
[15:54] <Ursinha> danilos, but do you know if there is a filed bug for it?
[15:55] <danilos> Ursinha: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/rosetta/+bug/128324 (I'm actually working on it, but the fix involves a bunch of actions)
[15:55] <Ursinha> danilos, ok, great! thanks for that :D
[15:55] <Ursinha> Andre_Gondim, ^
[15:55] <Andre_Gondim> Ursinha, vale a pena comentar já que tá aberto e tá trabalhando]?
[15:56] <Ursinha> danilos, can you please please comment about the fix on bug? It'll prevent some translators to have a heart attack :)
[15:57] <Ursinha> I don't like some people approaches, but anyway :)
[15:58] <danilos> Ursinha: sure, I'll post a diplomatic answer there
[15:59] <Ursinha> danilos, thanks for your diplomacy ;)
[16:04] <Andre_Gondim> Ursinha, desespero heheeh, mas realmente desnecessário
[16:04] <Ursinha> Andre_Gondim, pois é :)
[16:06] <Andre_Gondim> Ursinha, mas pelo menos com o último comentário posto agora acho que será evitado comentários adicionais
[16:06] <Ursinha> Andre_Gondim, we all hope so!
[16:06] <Andre_Gondim> :D
[16:48] <adeuring> al-maisan, cprov, bigjools: could one of you have a lok at this question: https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/50883 ?
[16:48] <bigjools> looking
[16:53] <geser> isn't that a FAQ already? I see regularly people having problems with copying packages from one release to an other
[17:53] <adeuring> ﻿/topic https://launchpad.net/ | Channel logs: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com | Need help? Community help contact: nobody
[18:03] <tgm4883_laptop> Is there a way to remove branches from a projects code section that aren't owned by the project?
[20:32] <joumetal> any launchpad dev willing to look at bug 59160?
[20:34] <joumetal> it's because duplicates are counted.