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[00:35] <CIA-2> grub-installer: cjwatson * r755 ubuntu/ (42 files in 3 dirs): merge from Debian 1.35
[00:38] <centaur5> Did some of the preseed values change in Intrepid?
[00:38] <CIA-2> grub-installer: cjwatson * r756 ubuntu/debian/control: Original-Vcs-Svn -> XS-Debian-Vcs-Svn
[00:39] <cjwatson> centaur5: perhaps you could post your preseed file (with passwords stripped), and the installer syslog from the failed installation; that's a whole lot easier to deal with than trying to guess the problem
[00:41] <centaur5> cjwatson: http://pastebin.com/d3f29cf2 the language, keyboard, and user still prompts although they used to work on Hardy.
[00:41] <cjwatson> centaur5: let me know when you have the syslog
[00:42] <cjwatson> centaur5: also, language and keyboard typically need to be set on the kernel command line, unless you're using initrd preseeding
[00:43] <centaur5> cjwatson: Oh, that's fine I'll just put that in my PXE conf file then.
[00:43] <cjwatson> that won't be the problem with the user question, though
[00:44] <centaur5> Right, I also had the problem with the user using a known working kickstart file.
[00:45] <cjwatson> kickstart is broken in intrepid, unfortunately
[00:45] <cjwatson> http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/tmp/intrepid-busybox-fix/ has an image that's fixed for that
[00:45] <cjwatson> that's independent of whatever problem you're having with preseeding though
[00:47] <CIA-2> grub-installer: cjwatson * r757 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.35ubuntu1
[00:49] <centaur5> Okay, well last night I decided I'm going to ditch kickstart for preseed so I got a known working file from somebody and changed a few fields.
[00:53] <centaur5> cjwatson: http://rapidshare.com/files/162288246/syslog.html
[00:53] <centaur5> cjwatson: Firefox crashed when I tried to paste the syslog file in pastebin.  :)
[00:55] <cjwatson> ugh, rapidshare
[00:56] <centaur5> cjwatson: If you prefer I can get it to you another way if you tell me how.
[00:56] <centaur5> how you would like it that is
[00:57] <cjwatson> no, it's OK, I've got it now
[00:57] <cjwatson> hmm, you're using the desktop installer?
[00:57] <cjwatson> not quite sure how you were managing to do that with kickstart before ...?
[00:57] <centaur5> cjwatson: It always worked since Edgy. I've heard that I must be a lucky person.  :)
[00:58] <cjwatson> I happen to know for certain that the desktop installer does not support Kickstart in any way, shape, or form
[00:59] <centaur5> cjwatson: I was able to use kickstart and PXE to have an Ubuntu machine installed in 18 minutes on a modern PC.
[00:59] <cjwatson> not with the desktop installer you didn't
[00:59] <cjwatson> you could well have done so using the text-mode installer
[00:59] <centaur5> Oh, that is using an alternate CD.
[00:59] <cjwatson> the syslog you just gave me is from an installation using the desktop installer (the one that you boot into from a live CD)
[01:00] <centaur5> Where did I specify to use the desktop installer?
[01:00] <centaur5> in the preseed file.  I just started researching preseed last night so I must have screwed up.
[01:00] <cjwatson> Apr 17 21:49:55 ubuntu ubiquity[7319]: Ubiquity 1.8.5
[01:00] <cjwatson> that's not an alternate CD or netboot or anything like it
[01:00] <cjwatson> also:
[01:00] <cjwatson> Apr 17 22:22:21 ubuntu ubiquity: couldn't flush /target/etc/apt//sed26otlH: No space left on device
[01:01] <cjwatson> might not be helping, but at any rate I don't think this is the system you mean to be using
[01:01] <centaur5> That doesn't make sense. I just barely installed that machine an hour ago from preseed in text mode and it stopped to prompt me for the user still.
[01:01] <cjwatson> you must have extracted the syslog from the wrong place or something
[01:01] <centaur5> /var/log/installer/syslog?
[01:01] <cjwatson> yes
[01:01] <cjwatson> but only if the install was successful and you rebooted ...
[01:02] <cjwatson> it would be best to get it from the running installer
[01:02] <centaur5> yes, I rebooted after it finished.
[01:02] <cjwatson> oh, then the log is lost
[01:02] <cjwatson> you need to not reboot
[01:02] <centaur5> Okay, how could I do that and I'll work on it right now
[01:02] <cjwatson> do you have another machine you can scp the log to?
[01:02] <centaur5> yeah, I'll do that right now then
[01:03] <cjwatson> after it stops, press alt-f2, start the shell there, and type 'anna-install openssh-client-udeb'
[01:03] <cjwatson> then you'll have scp; the log is in /var/log/syslog at that stage
[01:07] <centaur5> Now that I preseeded the language and keyboard in my pxelinux.cfg file that works fine. Still waiting for the install to get to the user part then I'll cut it short and copy the log at that point.
[01:07] <cjwatson> ok
[01:08] <cjwatson> BTW you might try paste.ubuntu.com instead of pastebin.com
[01:08] <centaur5> will do
[01:08] <cjwatson> it's possible it will work better for you, since its UI is generally simpler
[01:08] <cjwatson> oh, here, is the question you're getting one about an encrypted private directly?
[01:08] <cjwatson> directory
[01:09] <centaur5> no
[01:09] <centaur5> But I guess that needs to be added now.
[01:09] <cjwatson> yeah, it will
[01:09] <centaur5> Do you have the line for that?
[01:09] <cjwatson> d-i user-setup/encrypted-private boolean false
[01:09] <centaur5> thanks
[01:10] <centaur5> I'll restart the installer real quick and see if it happens to go away
[01:12] <centaur5> Basically it stops and asks for the user name. I need to research how to make the partitioning do a swap that equals mem size then I'll have it completely finished.
[01:20] <CIA-2> installation-guide: cjwatson * r435 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog en/appendix/preseed.xml): Document user-setup encrypted private directory preseeding.
[01:31] <centaur5> cjwatson: firefox still crashed when I tried to paste that syslog. Do you prefer something over rapidshare?
[01:32] <centaur5> that was using Ubuntu's pastebin as well
[01:32] <centaur5> cjwatson: Nevermind, this time it recovered. http://paste.ubuntu.com/69824/
[01:38] <cjwatson> centaur5: you're passing preseed.cfg to the installer using ks= as if it were a Kickstart file, which isn't going to work
[01:38] <cjwatson> centaur5: try url=http://10.0.5.2/ubuntu/preseed.cfg instead
[01:38] <centaur5> cjwatson: I tried it with url and it wasn't preseeding anything. I'll try it again.
[01:39] <cjwatson> ks= won't preseed anything either ;-)
[01:39] <cjwatson> not if you give it something that isn't a Kickstart file at any rate
[01:39] <centaur5> Which is odd cause it worked with everything but the user.  :)  Dang I must be lucky.
[01:39] <cjwatson> perhaps you were confused by the fact that you cannot preseed language and keyboard with url=
[01:40] <cjwatson> I'm surprised and rather puzzled that it did automatic partitioning in this state, if indeed it did
[01:40] <cjwatson> it's hard to tell from the timestamps whether you intervened manually
[01:41] <centaur5> That might have been it.
[01:41] <centaur5> Now it's stopping me at hostname with the url=preseed
[01:42] <cjwatson> that's another one that has to go on the kernel command line
[01:42] <cjwatson> a preseed file can only be fetched from the network once the installer has got past network configuration
[01:42] <cjwatson> therefore anything up to and including network configuration must be set on the kernel command line, not in a file read via url=
[01:42] <centaur5> That's the whole reason I've been confused then.
[01:43] <centaur5> How does ks fetch so early then?
[01:43] <cjwatson> our Kickstart implementation does magic
[01:43] <centaur5> haha, I see
[01:43] <cjwatson> only because the original Kickstart implementation does that too, and offers some special command-line parameters to tweak network configuration if necessary
[01:44] <cjwatson> it has some quirks though and I'm pretty reluctant to extend it to preseeding in general, since compatibility with Debian doesn't require that
[01:48] <centaur5> Well I'm just waiting for the installer again which seems to be going faster. Hopefully now it's using my apt-cacher server since I've been wasting a lot of bandwidth.  :)
[01:49] <cjwatson> choose-mirror runs after the preseed file is fetched, so should do yes
[01:51] <centaur5> I think it made it through.
[01:51] <centaur5> It stopped and asked how I want security updates installed though.
[01:51] <centaur5> Gave an option for Landscape which I thought was interesting.
[01:53] <cjwatson> there are instructions in the intrepid installation guide for preseeding that away
[01:53] <cjwatson> # Policy for applying updates. May be "none" (no automatic updates),
[01:53] <cjwatson> # "unattended-upgrades" (install security updates automatically), or
[01:53] <cjwatson> # "landscape" (manage system with Landscape).
[01:53] <cjwatson> #d-i pkgsel/update-policy select none
[01:56] <centaur5> Landscape is something I'll have to consider playing with someday. I don't know if I would benefit from it much.
[01:59] <centaur5> Well thank you very much cjwatson you have been extremely informative.
[01:59] <cjwatson> no problem
[09:05] <_ruben> is it possible to use a single arch (either i386 or amd64) installer to install either i386 or amd64 (using different preseeds or whatever)?
[09:08] <_ruben> alternative would be a seperate vlan for each arch, but seems a tad overkill to me though
[09:27] <_ruben> think i got something .. lets try it
[11:09] <cjwatson> _ruben: not without significant hacking
[11:44] <_ruben> cjwatson: turned out to be a non issue, just combine the files of a i386 and amd64 installer, edit the pxe config, profit
[12:11] <CIA-2> partman-jfs: cjwatson * r729 ubuntu/ (26 files in 3 dirs): merge from Debian 29
[12:14] <CIA-2> partman-crypto: cjwatson * r669 ubuntu/debian/po/ (cy.po ga.po se.po sr.po): msgmerge
[12:18] <CIA-2> partman-crypto: cjwatson * r670 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 36ubuntu1
[12:21] <CIA-2> partman-ext3: cjwatson * r746 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 55ubuntu1
[12:23] <CIA-2> partman-jfs: cjwatson * r730 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 29ubuntu1
[12:26] <CIA-2> partman-reiserfs: cjwatson * r810 ubuntu/ (24 files in 3 dirs): merge from Debian 44
[12:27] <CIA-2> partman-reiserfs: cjwatson * r811 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 44ubuntu1
[12:30] <CIA-2> partman-xfs: cjwatson * r763 ubuntu/ (21 files in 3 dirs): merge from Debian 43
[12:31] <CIA-2> partman-xfs: cjwatson * r764 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 43ubuntu1
[13:44] <abli> Hi! I can't boot either hardy or intrepid desktop liveCDs (i386 or amd64) on a machine that has a NVidia 8600 video card in it. If I remove the video card, they boot fine. Any idea what may be causing that? If I install without the videocard present (using the motherboards on-board video) what are the chances that I will be able to boot from the hdd with the NVidia card present?
[13:45] <abli> If the NVidia card is installed, the livecds freeze solid around the time when the kernel would want to initialize the system on the cd (in one case, it was a kernel oops when running modprobe or such )
[13:46] <abli> (btw, that kernel oops was on a custom live CD which doesn't have any X on it.)
[13:50] <cjwatson> #ubuntu-x would be better placed to answer this
[13:50] <cjwatson> or possibly #ubuntu-kernel
[13:52] <abli> Ok, I'll ask there. thanks.
[19:41] <CarlFK> sudo update-grub .... "Found kernel: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.27-7-generic ... Updating /boot/grub/menu.lst ... done" but kernel didn't get added.  it also found vmlinuz-2.6.27-7-generic-x64
[19:41] <CarlFK> shouldn't it have added both, or is it trying to be smart?
[19:45] <CarlFK> output of update-grub http://dpaste.com/89846/
[22:01] <CIA-2> partman-basicfilesystems: TheMuso * r573 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 62ubuntu1