[08:49] <ziroday> @schedule Singapore
[10:55] <juliux> @schedule berlin
[14:25] <highvoltage> 09
[14:33] <ogra> 10
[17:36] <nuvolari> lo morgs, superfly, yusuf_
[17:36] <morgs> hi nuvolari!
[17:36] <superfly> hey nuvolari
[17:37] <yusuf_> nuvolari: hi nuvolari
[17:38] <nuvolari> will this meeting need participation from me?
[17:40] <Reenen> does ubuntu need participation from you?  No, but it may be a better OS with you, than it is without you... I guess it's the same for the meeting
[17:45] <morgs> I haven't been to a LoCoCouncil meeting before, but there's an agenda, and I will present our application. Not sure if there will be call for comments from the audience, but you're welcome to show your support... :)
[17:46]  * Reenen is also a total n00b when it comes to LoCoCouncil meetings
[17:49] <janc_EEE_900> of course, if the audience wants to help you they should have a look at your application first  ;-)
[17:53] <juliux> @scheudle berlin
[17:53] <juliux> @schedule berlin
[17:54] <juliux> popey: boredandblogging janc_EEE_900 ping
[17:54] <juliux> Rafik: ping
[17:54] <juliux> highvoltage: ping
[17:55] <highvoltage> juliux: pong
[17:55] <juliux> morgs: ping
[17:55]  * morgs pongs
[17:55] <juliux> hey highvoltage just checking who is alive for loco council meeting;)
[17:55] <nuvolari> lol
[17:55] <juliux> so i pinged everybody from the agenda;9
[17:55] <nuvolari> ooh sorry, the other pong :P
[17:55] <highvoltage> juliux: heh
[17:56] <morgs> nuvolari: hehe
[17:56] <janc_EEE_900> I'm alive  :)
[17:56] <juliux> highvoltage: who is your working?
[17:56] <Rafik> juliux: pong
[17:56] <Rafik> hello all
[17:56] <juliux> hi Rafik
[17:56] <boredandblogging> hello
[17:56] <boredandblogging> i need a few minutes
[17:56] <nuvolari> hey Rafik
[17:56] <boredandblogging> finishing up a real life meeting
[17:57] <juliux> boredandblogging: ok
[17:57] <highvoltage> hey boredwithaverylongnickandblogging
[17:57] <yusuf_> hehe
[18:01] <juliux> popey: ? janc_EEE_900 ?
[18:02] <janc_EEE_900> juliux: yep
[18:03] <juliux> good
[18:03] <juliux> janc_EEE_900: we are waiting for boredandblogging then we can start
[18:10] <juliux> boredandblogging: ready?
[18:13] <highvoltage> luisbg: heh, I thought that you already were the leader of us :)
[18:16] <juliux> btw who allready has intrepid cds?
[18:16] <highvoltage> I think morgs got ours
[18:16] <morgs> I would have them, but I have to register with the revenue service as an importer first :(
[18:16] <juliux> i am still waiting because i requested the cds but i am not the "official" team contact
[18:17] <morgs> That takes forms which I have to take to the Customs department, and possibly pay 10% of the shipment value as a deposit
[18:17] <morgs> The CDs are in the country though, it's just a matter of paperwork and time
[18:17] <janc_EEE_900> I got my entrepid CDs today
[18:18] <highvoltage> morgs: *sigh*
[18:18] <janc_EEE_900> my = of the ubuntu-be team
[18:18]  * superfly just downloads them from the local mirror when he's at work and  then distributes them... faster than waiting for them to be shipped
[18:18] <nuvolari> brb
[18:18] <yusuf_> that what I call supershipit
[18:18] <highvoltage> superfly: I think that's why it's so important that we take distribution as a priority in our loco
[18:19] <highvoltage> yusuf_: just don't say it too fast, it has the potential to get... ugly
[18:19] <superfly> highvoltage: indeed, hence me sometimes feeling like an Ubuntu factory ;-)
[18:19] <highvoltage> superfly: heh
[18:20] <morgs> Maybe we should add a column to our CD distribution page for people to log how many CDs they have toasted/distributed... might be a nice way to show activity in the locoteam
[18:20] <janc_EEE_900> we burned & gave away 60 or 70 CD-Rs at the computer sales fair a week ago  :)
[18:21] <highvoltage> I wondered whether we were going to have any freaks from our loco joining tonight :)
[18:21] <highvoltage> hey D-Arb
[18:22] <janc_EEE_900> (and got > 80 euro in gifts)
[18:22] <nuvolari> lo D-Arb
[18:22] <D-Arb> hi
[18:22] <D-Arb> loco freak reporting for duty
[18:23] <nuvolari> lol
[18:23] <boredandblogging> sorry, I'm back
[18:24]  * nelydajo is also reporting for loco duty
[18:24]  * cocooncrash too
[18:24]  * yusuf_ too
[18:24]  * superfly raises his hand
[18:25]  * nuvolari o/
[18:25] <boredandblogging> we are having CD issues?
[18:25] <highvoltage> someone please hit the opening gong?
[18:25] <boredandblogging> janc_EEE_900: ping
[18:25] <boredandblogging> juliux: ping
[18:25]  * nuvolari hits the gong *GONG*
[18:25] <juliux> boredandblogging: i am not getting cds because i am not the team contact;)
[18:25] <boredandblogging> lol
[18:26] <juliux> boredandblogging: no joke
[18:26] <highvoltage> boredandblogging: ubuntu-za is having import-issues, morgs could elaborate on that
[18:26] <janc_EEE_900> boredandblogging: pong
[18:26] <morgs> boredandblogging: I've received one package too many, now I have to register as an importer with a customs code...
[18:26] <boredandblogging> so we have enough people for the council today?
[18:26] <juliux> boredandblogging: can you run the meeting?
[18:26] <boredandblogging> sure
[18:26] <boredandblogging> let me pull up the agenda
[18:26]  * juliux is watching some pg_recovery jobs on his other screen
[18:27] <boredandblogging> apologize for being late, hate when real life gets in the way of Ubuntu!
[18:27] <juliux> boredandblogging: +1
[18:27] <nuvolari> yar. and noobs that do not want to try ubuntu :/
[18:27] <boredandblogging> lets do ubuntu-za and then team reports
[18:28]  * nuvolari was one too :P
[18:28] <janc_EEE_900> and ubuntu-ro ?
[18:28] <juliux> boredandblogging: i will ubntu-ro remove from the agenda tehy are allready approved at the last meeting see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncilAgenda/20081007
[18:29] <boredandblogging> right, romania was last meeting
[18:29] <morgs> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SouthAfricanTeam/ApprovalApplication
[18:30] <boredandblogging> morgs: have you held the release parties for Intrepid already?
[18:30] <morgs> boredandblogging: yeah, on November 1
[18:30] <boredandblogging> bah, yes
[18:30] <morgs> :)
[18:30] <boredandblogging> I should click on the links to see myself
[18:30] <morgs> We had two events, both held at school labs that run Ubuntu/Edubuntu - "tuxLabs"
[18:31] <boredandblogging> cool
[18:31] <highvoltage> we pushed for 4, but I think we'll get there next time
[18:32] <boredandblogging> how did the leadership change go? what was the process?
[18:32] <morgs> craigaa was one of the co-founders, but hardly did anything the past couple of years
[18:32] <juliux> what are your plans for the future?
[18:32] <highvoltage> boredandblogging: it was a smooth and simple process. craigaa willingly gave up his leadership position
[18:33] <morgs> I hinted several times, and eventually called him outright about his involvement and he agreed to step down
[18:33] <morgs> highvoltage was a natural candidate to step in
[18:33] <highvoltage> boredandblogging: our loco team was originally registered by people who didn't even run ubuntu, that didn't do much to grow the team initially
[18:34] <highvoltage> boredandblogging: as a result, or loco team was basically dead for the 1st year.
[18:35] <morgs> yeah, ChanServ was the most faithful member of #ubuntu-za
[18:35] <juliux> hehe
[18:35] <highvoltage> boredandblogging: since morgs joined he injected a lot of enthusiasm, and then I got interested in it again. since about a year ago interest in our loco team has improved greatly
[18:35] <morgs> juliux: We have some people working towards MOTU, and plan to run a packaging jam or two to get more people involved in packaging. Through this, and other means, we want to encourage more people to work towards Ubuntu membership as well.
[18:36] <highvoltage> stefanlsd applied for UUC about 2 weeks ago
[18:36] <morgs> We have a community project called Zabuntu, that initially seemed to be a derivative "local" distro, but we decided to make it about packaging and distributing local content
[18:36] <boredandblogging> was the LoCo approval a reason to push for the leadership change?
[18:36] <janc_EEE_900> to me it looks all god, including their intention to try to get their local packages "upstream"
[18:36] <janc_EEE_900> s/god/good/
[18:37] <highvoltage> boredandblogging: the leadership change happned before we (or at least I) knew about the loco approval
[18:37] <morgs> boredandblogging: yes, it was
[18:37] <highvoltage> morgs: ah, I honestly didn't know that
[18:37] <morgs> highvoltage: It did prompt me to push craigaa, and it prompted him to step down because he didn't want to take on making it happen.
[18:38] <boredandblogging> morgs: thats good, part of the reason we do these is to make sure LoCo get help
[18:38] <highvoltage> morgs: in that case, I've very glad that our team review came up
[18:38] <highvoltage> *I'm
[18:38] <morgs> highvoltage: :)
[18:39] <juliux> i have everything i need for vote;)
[18:39] <boredandblogging> it looks like ubuntu-za is getting motivated and headed for good things
[18:39] <boredandblogging> +1 from me
[18:39] <janc_EEE_900> +1 from me too
[18:39] <juliux> +1
[18:39] <juliux> especialy because highvoltage is now in charge;)
[18:40] <highvoltage> boredandblogging: our current status might seem very modest, but considering where we were roughly 18 months ago, we've made a complete turnaround and we went from a dysfunctional loco to one with lots of enthusiastic members and lots of hope
[18:40] <morgs> highvoltage++
[18:40] <highvoltage> boredandblogging: and thanks for your support, too
[18:40] <boredandblogging> excellent, good luck with your future projects
[18:40] <highvoltage> thank you, we'll keep you up to date with our progress
[18:40] <morgs> Thanks!
[18:40] <boredandblogging> there should be some other teams up for review
[18:41] <boredandblogging> looks like they are being lazy
[18:41] <boredandblogging> and not submitting applications
[18:41] <boredandblogging> we will have to remedy that
[18:41] <juliux> boredandblogging: i think you have to send out some mails again;)
[18:41] <boredandblogging> I'll try to contact some of them this week
[18:41] <boredandblogging> juliux: yeah
[18:41] <boredandblogging> Rafik: are you here?
[18:41]  * juliux knows one team that is missing today
[18:41] <Rafik> boredandblogging: hello
[18:42] <boredandblogging> Rafik: you had some things you wanted to discuss?
[18:43] <Rafik> boredandblogging: yes. It's all about the ubuntu community. We want it to be a big, worldwide and unified community.
[18:43] <boredandblogging> of course :-)
[18:44] <Rafik> So, I've two little ideas to contribute on maintaining the community through the loco project
[18:44] <Rafik> the first is about Team Reports
[18:44] <Rafik> we would love to see more of them
[18:45] <Rafik> I prepared some details on : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncilAgenda/talk
[18:45] <Rafik> any questions ? :-)
[18:45] <boredandblogging> dholbach sends out reminders about Team Reports
[18:45] <boredandblogging> and
[18:45] <boredandblogging> I've talked to him about it
[18:45] <boredandblogging> Team Reports get published in the UWN
[18:45] <boredandblogging> and I'd like to publish them on Fridge and Planet
[18:46] <boredandblogging> that could push more LoCos to publicize their activities to the wider community
[18:46] <janc_EEE_900> Rafik: I think more team reports would be great (even if we haven't been doing it well as ubuntu-be...)
[18:46] <juliux> i think we are working on a good way for team reports, every team now has to write a approval page one a year so there is some documentation
[18:47] <juliux> i personal think a monthly report is too much
[18:47] <Rafik> juliux: i think it's not enough to do that yearly
[18:47] <boredandblogging> it should be easy, LoCos shouldn't have to spend more than 5 minutes on it
[18:48] <boredandblogging> or maybe the Georgia LoCo doesn't do enough :-P
[18:49] <Rafik> boredandblogging: that's also the reason. nobody want to submit an empty report, that will activate the work
[18:49] <janc_EEE_900> one issue is to find a volunteer who makes sure that it actually gets done monthly   ;-)
[18:49] <janc_EEE_900> and some months we actually don't have much activity
[18:49] <Rafik> janc_EEE_900: easy, start a topic (forum, mailing list, ..)
[18:50] <Rafik> a topic per month to write the Team Report
[18:50] <Rafik> it can't be hard and it -as boredandblogging said- don't take more than 5 mins
[18:51] <Rafik> Think about all the advantages for better team reporting
[18:51] <highvoltage> reporting twitter^widenti.ca style
[18:51] <Rafik> exchanging ideas, better involvement, better knowledge of the community
[18:52] <Rafik> this should be a "must" for approved locos at least
[18:52] <boredandblogging> it is a requirement, but the question is how we encourage LoCos to do it
[18:53] <Rafik> a mail from you, loco council, if the loco don't submit its report ?
[18:54] <boredandblogging> daniel emails the loco contact list every month
[18:55] <janc_EEE_900> what if a locoteam really had no loco-activity in a certain month?
[18:55] <Rafik> boredandblogging: yes. but what can better than an "official reminder" :)
[18:55] <janc_EEE_900> I  mean, e.g. during summer vacation
[18:56] <boredandblogging> janc_EEE_900: think its ok if teams don't have anything to report
[18:56] <Rafik> janc_EEE_900: it will not so strict and if it occur, it will have a positive effect
[18:56] <Rafik> janc_EEE_900: it will encourage the loco to do more and more
[18:56] <boredandblogging> think we would like teams to report things if they are doing something
[18:56] <boredandblogging> to share with the rest of the communiyt
[18:57] <Rafik> boredandblogging: we don't want to have sub-communities (taking independence from the community)
[18:58] <janc_EEE_900> reports with "we did nothing because nobody was at home" is a bit useless  ;-)
[18:58] <boredandblogging> lol
[18:58] <Rafik> janc_EEE_900: no matter :p
[18:58] <boredandblogging> we had talked about publicizing the works of the LoCo Council a bit more...
[18:59] <Rafik> janc_EEE_900: I would push my loco. I don't want to send an empty report
[18:59] <boredandblogging> maybe we can also list some things from various LoCo Team Reports as well
[19:01] <boredandblogging> lets try that for a couple of months
[19:01] <boredandblogging> and see how it goes
[19:01] <Rafik> juliux: for yearly reports, it will be much easier as you have them READY.
[19:01] <highvoltage> I wish inter-loco-team communication could be better though
[19:01] <Rafik> highvoltage: that's the point
[19:01] <highvoltage> there's some cool things happening in some lugs that others don't always know about
[19:02] <highvoltage> I check the websites of the other loco teams often to keep up with what's new and interesting
[19:02] <Rafik> highvoltage: thanks, you are expressing what I have in mind :)
[19:02] <highvoltage> :)
[19:02] <juliux> Rafik: i can only say that is a lot of work if you do them monthly
[19:03] <highvoltage> juliux: well it should take long, for example, a report could simply be:
[19:03] <highvoltage> * we distributed 50 ubuntu discs
[19:03] <highvoltage> * we had ubuntu cake
[19:03] <highvoltage> EOF
[19:03] <Rafik> + some links
[19:03] <highvoltage> juliux: so it shouldn't be too much effort, right?
[19:04] <Rafik> boredandblogging: I also talked with dholbach about creating a team to help locos with team reports and to collect them.
[19:04] <Rafik> a team to ensure a better communication between locos
[19:04] <boredandblogging> a separate team?
[19:05] <Rafik> a team working under the LoCo Council governance
[19:05] <popey> o/
[19:05] <janc_EEE_900> hello popey
[19:05] <popey> i had no clue there was a meeting, sorry
[19:05] <juliux> highvoltage: where is the use for the rest if it is only that short?
[19:05] <Rafik> hi popey
[19:06] <janc_EEE_900> juliux: people who see something interresting can ask for more info
[19:06] <janc_EEE_900> or the fridge people can ask if they see something interresting
[19:07] <Rafik> juliux: links are also useful (photos, materials, preparation, ..)
[19:07] <boredandblogging> i know the fridge is always looking for interesting things to post
[19:07] <Rafik> janc_EEE_900: +1, very useful also for the UWN
[19:07] <juliux> i am not sure fo the advantage about that
[19:08] <highvoltage> juliux: rest of it?
[19:08] <Rafik> boredandblogging: I would love to see more news in the fridge, more infos..
[19:08] <highvoltage> juliux: aah, well, links are useful of course if someone wants more information. links to wiki pages and blog entries usually work well
[19:08] <juliux> i have no problems doing team reports but i am not seeing the advantage atm
[19:09] <highvoltage> Rafik: quite honestly the fridge sucks.
[19:09] <juliux> highvoltage: most of the stuff will be not in english
[19:09] <boredandblogging> Rafik: anyone can submit material to the Fridge now
[19:09] <boredandblogging> highvoltage: its mostly dead nowadays
[19:09] <Rafik> boredandblogging: if they know about its existence or they take it in consideration
[19:09] <highvoltage> boredandblogging: and it's too formal too now. it used to be fun and interesting
[19:10] <highvoltage> boredandblogging: I miss stories like these: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/300
[19:10] <highvoltage> (just one link I happen to know)
[19:11] <boredandblogging> highvoltage: its a lack of contributors
[19:11] <janc_EEE_900> I guess it needs a team of fresh & eager reporters   ;-)
[19:11] <boredandblogging> janc_EEE_900: definitely
[19:11] <janc_EEE_900> who go out to find the news
[19:11] <janc_EEE_900> instead of waiting for it to come
[19:12] <Rafik> boredandblogging: most of loco members don't look outside the loco because they don't know the community.. for them community = the loco.. we must find solutions to this. one of them : let them know about what is happening in the world
[19:12] <janc_EEE_900> that means people who don't already have 10 other responsibilities
[19:12] <boredandblogging> janc_EEE_900: yeah, if you join the LP fridge team now, you can log into the fridge
[19:12] <boredandblogging> and write whatever you want
[19:13] <boredandblogging> but back to the initial topic
[19:14] <boredandblogging> how about we publicize the loco team reports once a month
[19:14] <boredandblogging> on the planet/fridge/uwn
[19:14] <boredandblogging> and see what happens?
[19:15] <Rafik> boredandblogging: every thing is already there : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TeamReports
[19:15] <Rafik> we just need to push a button to activate the thing
[19:17] <boredandblogging> right, so when the November one is done, we'll publish it everywhere
[19:17] <Rafik> some locos are really taking care of team reports, some other should receive some "recommendations" from you
[19:18] <boredandblogging> Rafik: lets see if public visibility helps first
[19:19] <Rafik> boredandblogging: okay :)
[19:19] <boredandblogging> the less "official" push, the better
[19:19] <boredandblogging> Rafik: anything else?
[19:19] <Rafik> item 2 ?
[19:19] <janc_EEE_900> boredandblogging: +1 on that, people don't like being pushed  :-)
[19:20] <janc_EEE_900> Rafik: I don't think item 2 is realistic
[19:20] <Rafik> janc_EEE_900: why ? it's just a channel switch
[19:22] <janc_EEE_900> Rafik: there are > 50 approved locoteams & only 1 #ubuntu-meeting
[19:22] <boredandblogging> don't think loco members should have to join a different channel for meetings
[19:23] <juliux> shouldn't be #ubuntu-meeting a english speaking channel?
[19:23] <janc_EEE_900> well, some locoteams have their own -meeting channels already
[19:23] <Rafik> juliux: I don't think so
[19:23] <janc_EEE_900> and some locoteams have weekly meetings
[19:24] <juliux> hmmm
[19:24] <janc_EEE_900> if all locoteams would have to use #ubuntu-meeting, that would turn into a scheduling nightmare
[19:24] <juliux> +1
[19:25] <Rafik> janc_EEE_900: the we could make other channels ^^
[19:25] <janc_EEE_900> resulting in meetings on hours that are bad to get many participants
[19:25] <Rafik> much meetings = active community
[19:26] <janc_EEE_900> there are probably 10 or 20 or more locoteams in some timezones...
[19:27] <Rafik> janc_EEE_900: my loco will take 1h30 every month. not too much
[19:27] <janc_EEE_900> Rafik: but what if somebody already took the best slot for your loco members?
[19:28] <Rafik> then we will do it on our loco channel
[19:30] <Rafik> All my concerns are about the community integrity, if it's the right word. splitting the community into small entities can't be good. I think we really need find ways to keep some contact between the regular loco member and the worldwide community. we need to find ways to involve him in ubuntu itself, not only in the loco.
[19:30] <boredandblogging> thats understandable
[19:31] <Rafik> it's also very important for the Ubuntu reputation
[19:31] <boredandblogging> but having every meeting in this channel is too much
[19:31] <janc_EEE_900> locoteams can help with that, by helping loco-members getting involved
[19:32] <janc_EEE_900> ... involved in the worldwide community I mean
[19:32] <boredandblogging> yeah
[19:32] <boredandblogging> anything else we want to talk about?
[19:33] <juliux> boredandblogging: december meeting?
[19:34] <boredandblogging> juliux: you mean scheduling it now?
[19:34] <juliux> boredandblogging: yes
[19:34] <boredandblogging> any suggetsions
[19:35] <juliux> 8. december?
[19:35] <janc_EEE_900> *not* on December 24th...  ;-)
[19:36] <juliux> janc_EEE_900: agreed;)
[19:36] <boredandblogging> is 8th during UDS?
[19:38] <Rafik> UDS : Monday 8th - Friday 12th December 2008
[19:38] <juliux> i think it is after uds
[19:41] <juliux> boredandblogging: so better one after uds?
[19:42] <boredandblogging> yes, think so
[19:42]  * Rafik have to go
[19:42] <Rafik> Thank you all
[19:42] <boredandblogging> popey, juliux, janc_EEE_900 how about 15 dec?
[19:42] <juliux> boredandblogging: ok 15. december
[19:43] <boredandblogging> popey, juliux, janc_EEE_900 ok, same time as today 15 dec
[19:43] <janc_EEE_900> that should be okay, I think
[19:44] <juliux> boredandblogging: i prefer one hour later
[19:44] <juliux> but i am also fine with same time as today
[19:45] <boredandblogging> ok, next meeting 15 dec, 19:00 UTC
[19:46] <juliux> good
[19:46] <juliux> cu you
[19:47] <janc_EEE_900> okay
[19:47] <boredandblogging> cool
[19:47] <boredandblogging> we are done
[19:47] <boredandblogging> thanks everyone!
[22:43] <luisbg> highvoltage: LOL