[00:00] then in kubuntu it was pretty cool also. But that's just more KDE stuff. [00:00] i used ubuntu until hardy, then changed to xubuntu [00:01] hmmm only issue with ubuntu was it was getting nice and plug and play but then bloated. [00:01] which is just gonna happen when moving to plug and play stuff. You gotta pack more and run more wizards and checkers.... [00:01] kind of yes... i hated the panels. they never worked. [00:02] yeah those panels keep switching location on their own. Like top to bottom. And gnome doesn't allow locking which is annoying.. [00:02] hmm, would putting "pkill gam_server" in /etc/rc.local run it at startup/login? [00:02] they always died. [00:02] hehe. but that's why xfce has been my favorite.... [00:02] along with more minimalist ones like dwm and such. :D [00:13] i will fade away now. good night. [00:15] 'nite. === _RandyboY is now known as RandyboY === BlinkyToon is now known as Don_Miguel [02:50] hehey! tryig to install xfce 4.4.3 from the graphical installer. and keep getting an alsa error. checking for alsa >= 0.9.0... not found [02:50] *** The required package alsa was not found on your system. [02:50] *** Please install alsa (atleast version 0.9.0) or adjust [02:50] *** the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if you [02:50] *** installed the package in a nonstandard prefix so that [02:50] *** pkg-config is able to find it. [02:50] !! Failed to configure xfce4-mixer, see the errors above [02:50] Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [02:50] !! for details on the problem. im quite shure that ive installed alsa. what am I doin wrong? [02:50] Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [02:51] can someone please help me. I feel like the dumbest fuck alive. hehe [02:58] ! ohmy | sindre [02:58] sindre: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly. [02:59] sorry mister bot [02:59] :S [03:04] so can someone please shove me in the right direction? [03:58] Hello People. [03:58] anybody know what would be a good MAC style launch toolbar at the bottom? [03:58] xubuser, yes [03:59] xubuser, AWN :P [04:02] Hey, if I canceled my wifi connection setup when I logged in how do I configure it now without logging out and back in again? === danopia_ is now known as danopia [04:06] cody-somerville: sorry, was searching firefox. [04:07] cody-somerville: AWN? what's that? [04:08] It is a MAC style launch dock [04:08] ok, it's called AWN? [04:09] Yup [04:10] ok, sudo apt-get install awn doesn't find it. [04:11] any suggestion on finding it? [04:16] xubuser, apt-cache search awn [04:18] cody-somerville: that scrolls by a lot of names.... [04:20] sudo apt-get install avant-window-navigator [04:20] !awn [04:20] Avant Window Navigator is a dock-like navigation bar for the Linux desktop that positions itself at the bottom of the screen. Homepage http://wiki.awn-project.org/ Awn-Manager can be found the Gutsy !backports repository and in Universe in Hardy === Rhorse is now known as anyone [04:20] why does xubuntu suck so much? [04:20] er [04:20] Kidding. [04:21] How do I make the WIFI work properly in Xubuntu 8.10 on PS3? [04:21] cody-somerville: thanks. :) didn't meant to make you do all the work for me. :) I guess it's a new system and I'm still trying to learn it. [04:28] hehe, dropped off due to hung xfce. [04:28] :) [04:39] cody-somerville: u there? === anyone is now known as RHorse [05:14] cody-somerville: awn wants compiz? [05:32] hey guys whats an easy way to edit the menu [05:32] i need to remove some wine links that it has created [07:03] what are the system requirments for the latest version? === Jabone_ is now known as Jabone === matthieu_ is now known as matt_joly === wormsxulla_ is now known as wormsxulla [08:57] Hello all! [08:57] I'm a "fresh" xubuntu user, having some problems with the external USB drive I used to connect to my Windows-operated machine. [08:58] Anyone willing to help? [08:58] Thanks in advance. [09:00] Hello, im using xfce under debian and just wanted to know which xfwm and gtk theme xubuntu is using [09:03] in intrepid ipex ofcourse [09:05] Tis' a secret :P [09:06] ok [09:07] Please help, guys. I can connect the external HDD without much problems and browse files on it, play my music library and whatnot - but I can't change anything on the drive. Like renaming existing files, saving new data etc. [09:08] Also, it has quite a "weird" name, as it appears on my desktop as "500G Sound Volume" or something along those lines - also can't change that. [09:08] Driving me mad and I'm a complete newbie when it comes to Linux distros. :) [09:11] ketsueki^, even if i'm not a xubuntu user. This might be a problem with ntfs-3g and the filesystem of the harddisk [09:12] It was a NTFS drive in Windows, as far as I remember. [09:12] would be anybody so nice to look up the default themes of xubuntu 8.10? [09:13] Should I format it using FAT32? Would that help in anyway? [09:13] then you might install ntfs-3g or search for it in google. I'm not that experienced with it [09:13] I need it to be a "swap" drive, so that both Linux and Windows operated machines can access it. [09:14] no ntfs is working properly in linux you just have to install it [09:14] I'm browsing the xubuntu help forums, but I can't find the exact problem. :) [09:14] or it might be something related to groups, that you don't have permission to rw the disk [09:15] Ok, I'll read about ntfs-3g thingy in a minute, thanks. [09:18] hello [09:18] how can i open a file as root user? [09:19] I believe you need to use the terminal [09:19] I couldn't access the root account using xubuntu GUI. [09:21] Type sudo passwd [09:21] then enter your system password and you'll be able to set the new password just for ROOT account [09:21] after this operation you may access the root account from terminal by simply typing su [09:22] yea i know how to do it through the terminal, i was hoping there was an easier way [09:22] thanks [09:23] if there is, I don't know it, sorry :) [09:23] couldn't find any info on the net on how to use it from "desktop" [09:28] No one could answer my simple question? [09:29] :-( [09:30] sorry blacklips, tried to find something on it, but I all gather are some people reccomendations for custom themes [09:30] I guess the info is out there, but it'll take some digging in google [09:30] well do you have running xubuntu 8.10? [09:31] than you might look it up in the appearence section of the settings [09:31] will check, please wait a minute [09:33] "user interface preferences"? [09:35] the default theme under the user preferences tab is "MurrinaStormCloud", and the icon theme is "Tango" [09:36] is that what you were searching for? [09:37] when editing terminal config file I came across misc.inherit.geometry=false anyone want to explain this option to me plz [09:39] ketsueki^, yes and also the windowmanager theme [09:39] tanks [09:39] *h [09:40] ok, the windowmanager theme is "Xfwm4.5-svn" [09:40] if that's what you mean :) [09:41] yeah thats great [09:41] thank you [09:42] no problems, the ntfs-3g thingy helped [09:42] I can finally manage my files [09:42] so thanks go to you :) [09:42] ok, with that I take my leave, have a good day [10:16] I just installed Xubuntu 8.1, then restarted and the panels disappeared... anyone know why or how to fix it? [10:23] DaveKong: alt-f2 -> xfce4-panel [10:23] i guess something did not shut down cleanly [10:26] gabkdlly, ok thanks that worked [10:30] anyone using some other distros than xubuntu ? some other lite distros [10:31] there is ubuntulite, but I have never used it [10:31] fluxbuntu too, I think [10:31] fluxbuntu is not very convenient [10:32] I tried flux and had problems with installation [10:32] u-lite seems like a small project [10:32] not a 8.10 out yet even [10:33] arch-linux is good if you want to put in the effort [10:33] flux is a good wm and pcman for file manager [10:36] depends what you are trying to do what is best [10:37] u-lite is tempting, that lxde looks similar to xfce [10:38] when i tried fluxbuntu, by default the menus were reachable only by rightclick and some else disturinbg things :o [10:38] font was small [10:38] guess it can be twaked... and there was maybe something bugging :o [10:39] I make all the fonts size 12 first thing when install [10:39] I can't stand any of the ubuntu font sizes [10:40] and use bit-stream vera sans roman for monospace fonts [10:40] bit-stream vera sans mono roman... [10:40] my grub got borked and they assisted me to do a format and start from clean.. but somehow i would like to try something else than xubuntu this time. been using xubuntu for last 3 years i guess... before that i had ubuntu [10:41] you should be able to fix grub without re-installing [10:41] yeah, i still could i guess. [10:42] it got borked during the 804 810 upgrade [10:42] borked? [10:42] grub-update dont work [10:43] then reinstalled kernel images to get maintainers menu.lst but xubuntu becomes unbootable [10:43] problem is that in grub it points to old kernel [10:43] can't tell it to point to the new one? [10:44] they said that i can manually edit menu.lst but thats not the right way to do it [10:44] someone said that i should try grub-install [10:45] im going to try those things today i guess... if i have time after my duties [10:45] I would take a look at the grub man page [10:45] good luck [11:40] how do I get the nvidia driver "in use". Via system>hardware drivers it is listed as activated but not in use [12:41] I have trouble with my default installation. [12:42] It keeps re-checking during boot , does not finish checking and won`t start X [12:42] Partition is situated ontom raid1 software device === TeXnicer_ is now known as TeXnicer|mobile [13:14] I finished fsck it, will restart === TeXnicer- is now known as TeXnicer|mobile === wormsxulla_ is now known as wormsxulla [15:47] hi there, just installed xubuntu on an old vaio and currently RTFM, I'm sure I'll still have questions to ask though, so catch you later [15:48] sinbox, we will be here to help if ya need us [16:02] adding some repositories now, it seems that this functions slightly differently to ubuntu-studio 7.19 which I've been using until now, === ablomen_routerDi is now known as ablomen [16:30] W: Failed to fetch http://no.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/intrepid-updates/main/source/Sources.bz2 Hash Sum mismatch [16:31] Ad0, get a different repo set (use a different mirror) [16:31] bah [16:31] is the norwegian one broken ? [16:31] seems like it. [16:31] or is it just a tad late? [16:31] ok [16:32] loading times don't usually differ even if you used the main server. [16:32] if you don't have a 100/100 cable :P [16:32] hehe [16:33] I have to find out how to switch a repo then [16:34] Ad0, do you use synaptic? [16:35] no I just use the command line [16:35] I could use synaptic though [16:36] in synaptic, setting->repositories [16:36] change the "download from" box [16:38] yeah [16:38] I changed to sweden [16:38] any better? [16:38] that worked much better [16:38] thanks [16:39] shit tons of stuff has changed [16:39] Ad0, language [16:40] Ad0, if you know your local archive manager, you might want to bring it to thier attention [16:40] I don't know them [16:42] I thought pulseaudio was going to be the default sound system on 8.04, before I try it has anyone used it and is it working well? [16:42] * TheSheep has given up on it [16:42] sinbox: it the default on ubuntu, xubuntu doesn't use any [16:43] sinbox, ive heard of some "flacky" behaviour [16:43] *flakey* [16:43] * vidd gives up on spelling! [16:45] hehe, don't worry too much about the spelling, I guess I'll give it a try as it sounds interesting though and this laptop is mainly for mobile audio recording projects [17:10] arghh, I hate synaptic touchpad with my clumsy fingers. Is there any way I can disable the fancy feature so it only works as a mouse? [17:13] sinbox: install gsynaptics-mcs-plugin [17:14] sinbox: you will have touchpad settings in the settings manager then === FoxBoy is now known as Hondo_Kitsune [17:20] thanks TheSheep [17:21] Hello People. [17:22] hello xubuser [17:22] Installed OpenJDK Client VM (Iced Tea) but in FF3, it still says missing plugin. [17:23] then if finds some plugins and goes thru the installation and never manages to successfully install.... [17:23] use the real thing :/ [17:23] xubuser, i found that its just easier to use the sun-java6-plugin [17:23] sun-java6-* [17:23] what vidd said [17:23] heh [17:23] vidd: Sun Java from FF3, from package manager install the right one.... [17:24] xubuser, there are issues with the Iced Tea .... i think you have to manually edit a file [17:24] (unless that was fixed) [17:25] vidd: ok, so pick from FF3 or just synaptic? [17:25] I don't mind either or. I just need java applets running. :) [17:25] Hello. How can I mount my external hda? Do I have to change my fstab? If so, how? [17:25] wild guess but you might need jre also [17:25] sudo apt-get install sun-java6-plugin [17:26] Snyper`, that will pull all the depends in with it [17:26] figured so [17:26] vidd: ok, that sounds good. Uninstalling the openjdk one first. :) [17:26] nclife, thunar does not auto-mount it? [17:26] thanks guys.... [17:26] xubuser, make sure you --purge it [17:26] vidd: --purge with apt-get? [17:27] vidd, nope. It automounted when I had ubuntu though [17:27] ah thanks vidd for reminding me.. need to remove thunar [17:27] nclife, i never had any issue with usb drives automounting in xubuntu (but it has been a while since i tried) [17:27] hi how i can us my infra red [17:27] in xubuntu [17:28] jorg3: like your ir remote control? [17:29] where i can found that [17:29] damn. My keyboards layout changed to us again... How was it to change it again? I remember I had to enter a script and just change something there [17:29] I cant remember the name of the document I had to change though [17:30] !keyboard [17:30] To switch your keyboard layout on GNOME: System -> Preferences -> Keyboard (GNOME) - KDE: K -> System Settings -> Regional & Language -> Keyboard Layout (KDE) - Xfce: see https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/xubuntu/desktopguide/C/switch-keyboard-layout.html - See also !Shortcuts [17:30] !infrared [17:30] Sorry, I don't know anything about infrared [17:30] =\ [17:30] !ir [17:30] #ubuntu-ir baraye Farsi zabanan mibashad ke channele rasmie goroohe Iran-ie ubuntu ast. #ubuntu-ir برای فارسی زبانان می‌باشد که کانال رسمی گروه ایرانی اوبونتو است. [17:30] bah! [17:30] vidd: search for lirc [17:31] xubuser, its not even for me! [17:31] xubuser, jorg3 wants infrared to work [17:31] vidd: hehe, I figured with those ! you were throwing you might as well do one more. :) [17:31] in a repo site or something else [17:31] !lirc [17:31] Sorry, I don't know anything about lirc [17:31] !info lirc [17:31] lirc (source: lirc): Linux Infra-red Remote Control support. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.8.3-0ubuntu2 (intrepid), package size 392 kB, installed size 1952 kB [17:31] vidd: hehe, guess I just didn't wanna do !lirc myself. LO. :) [17:32] !info lirc | jorg3, [17:32] jorg3,: please see above [17:32] ok thanx i'll try [17:32] hehe the bot's been getting smarter =] [17:33] what da heck? on /etc/X11/xorg.conf I have keyboard layout put to "es", but, for some strange reason, my keyboards layout changed to "us" [17:33] nclife, did that help you any? [17:34] somebody know how to upgrade xubuntu xfc 4.4.2 to 4.4.3 [17:34] vidd, lt me check [17:35] jorg3, it is not in the repo's so you would have to get it from xfce.org and compile it yourself [17:35] ok [17:36] nclife, or...go into applications->settings manager->keyboard [17:36] =] [17:36] vidd, yes, it changed back. thanks :) [17:36] did i miss anyone? =] [17:37] now, I just have this mounting trouble [17:37] :p [17:37] I'm gonna ask in #ubuntu, shouldn't be that laborious [17:37] nclife, if ubuntu does it automajikly....they may not know the answer.... [17:38] nclife, what file manager do you have? [17:38] ext3 [17:38] is that the right answer? [17:38] nclife, no...that is the file format..... [17:38] err :p [17:38] ah, like nautilus and such? [17:38] examples are thunar, nautilus, PCMan, etc [17:39] yes [17:39] the defaulft xubuntu file manager then [17:39] thunar? [17:39] thunar I think [17:39] yes, I suppose so [17:39] hrm...last i knew, thunar automounted usb drives [17:39] It does auto-mount my flash memories [17:40] but like i said B4...i havent tryed in quite some time [17:40] I'm thinking, I have to somehow include my hd into fstab or something like that [17:40] nclife, unplug the drive, and plug it back in [17:40] vidd: thanks for your help. it works now. :) [17:41] can't find /dev/hda1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab <-- that's what the cl would say [17:41] gotta reboot X to try out composite stuff. :) See you later. :) [17:41] if your bios is assigning it a drive letter, then it will need to be added to fstab..... [17:41] would you know how to do that? [17:42] if you unplug it and plug it back into another usb jack and it automounts...this will confirm my suspison [17:42] i have an idea [17:42] ok, Im gonna try that [17:42] but like i said...this is not my area of expertise [17:44] nclife, any luck? [17:44] niope [17:44] nope* [17:44] nothing happened [17:44] hey vidd [17:45] dcolish, yeah? [17:45] oh wait, yes! [17:45] neat, thanks a lot :) [17:45] just saying hi [17:45] nclife, this means your kernel is recognizing it as a hard drive on boot.... [17:46] if you intend to leave it plugged in, you need to add it to fstab.... [17:46] I see [17:46] if it is going to hot-plugged...then have it not plugged in during boot or reboot [17:46] an hypotetical here, imagine you deleted the entire /boot partition [17:47] then just created /boot/grub folder and ran grup-update [17:47] deus_: how hypothetical? [17:47] deus_, get a live cd [17:47] then rebooted [17:47] im using something called super grub disk [17:47] deus_, excelent choice [17:47] vidd, so I should disconnect the hard drive before any boot or reboot until I add it to fstab? [17:48] correct me if i'm wrong but your kernel image is in /boot so you'll need to generate a new kernel too [17:48] nclife, it just depends....you want it permanantly assigned (throwing errors if its not plugged in)? [17:49] I want what is best in your opinion :p [17:49] vidd: im having problems making headway though [17:50] dcolish, deus_ exactly...you need to back up the data and reinstall (or...if your data is on seperate partitions....just reinstall and set the /home partitions etc to not format [17:50] nclife, the quickest, fastest, easiest way is to unplug/replug [17:51] vidd, is it also healthy for the hard drive? [17:51] deus_, if the entire /boot directory is gone, your scewed [17:51] deus_: if you're not familiar with kernel building and boot procedure, vidd's advice is best [17:51] however feel free to try this: http://www.digitalhermit.com/linux/Kernel-Build-HOWTO.html [17:51] nclife, the hard drive will never notice =] [17:52] kewl :) [17:52] thanks again [17:52] nclife, np [17:53] dcolish: how can i compile the kernel when i cant boot the system? [17:53] deus_, is your /home partition and other data files on diferent partitions? or did you set the entire system on one partition? [17:53] vidd: everything else is on an lvm partition [17:54] are they all in the same volume group? [17:54] take my advice....your best bet is to back up your data files using a live cd and start from scratch [17:54] no root is not lvm [17:55] wait.... [17:55] the /boot is part of / (root)..... [17:55] hi, anyone know the lowest level way to check if my usb device is recognized? [17:55] deus_: thats not what you said before, although. What exactly is your [17:55] not boot is own partition [17:56] ok [17:56] did you deliberately put /home on a different drive then the system files? [17:56] slimjimflim, yeah...plug it in [17:56] slimjimflim: lspci [17:56] yes, its on no different drive, but i created an lvm system to serve my home folder alone [17:56] dcolish, i was getting to that =] [17:57] but its lsusb [17:57] vidd: sorry too many cooks... i thought lspci would show usb devices too? or just the controller maybe [17:57] deus_, then your (sort of) in luck [17:58] the hardrive that got /boot / and some of the lvm partition is on the same hardrive but different partition, if i didnt clearly convey that. [17:58] deus_, if you re-install just the way you did B4, but set the LVM to NOT FORMAT, you should be fine [17:58] BUT BACK UP THE DATA FIRST!!!!!!! [17:59] * vidd can never say this too often [17:59] vidd: i know that, im just looking for a way to not having to configure my system anew, my lvm partition have survived 3 different linux installs ;) [18:00] cant a live cd fix the /boot partition alone= [18:00] ? [18:01] I mean, what seperate me from this mess was if i did the grub-install command [18:02] deus_: you will still need to rebuild the kernel image that used to be at /boot, there is no way around it [18:02] deus_, grub-install will do nothing because you deleted the kernel [18:02] some keys of my keyboard dont work [18:02] grub-install will only refresh your boot loader, but right now you've got nothing to boot [18:03] deus_, your going to have to reconfigure your system no matter what [18:03] if the lvm survived 3 installs, it should have no problem surviving the 4th [18:04] deus_, your just going to re-do what you did last time you installed *buntu [18:06] ok from lsusb i get: [18:06] Bus 003 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 [18:06] Bus 002 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 [18:06] Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 [18:06] !pastebin | slimjimflim [18:06] slimjimflim: pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu.com (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic) [18:06] i assume that means the kernel sees the device [18:06] dcolish, your too fast for me! [18:06] it was only 3 lines [18:06] vidd: i deleted the kernel? in /boot? [18:06] haha, fastest fingers in the east! [18:07] deus_, yes...since /boot is where the kernel is stored [18:07] er sees the usb 'card' [18:07] but when i plug in, ie. a usb keyboard, i don't even get a light [18:07] deus_, it will be about 3 times faster to re-install then to manually fix what you broke [18:08] vidd: deus_: I think you can technically use a livecd to regenerate the kernel, read that kernel how to if you want to try it, but seriously consider re-installing [18:08] slimjimflim, it sees the card, but no devices plugged into the card [18:08] vidd, yea and that's where i run out of ideas [18:09] i've tried lsusb [18:09] but here is the thing, i was able to install nvidia drivers manually after the update, and i deleted /boot before i ran update-manager -d [18:09] btw this is on hardy [18:10] deus_, why on earth would you want to delete /boot anyway? [18:10] deus_: you can delete a binary after the process runs and it will still work [18:10] until reboot [18:10] right [18:10] or process end, which ever comes first :) [18:11] as soon as you noticed your ooppsie, you should have run "sudo apt-get install [kernel image] [18:11] vidd: had the clear room for the upgrade *whistles* [18:11] D'OH!!!! [18:11] well thats actually kinda ironic [18:12] Also, 101 mb is NOT enough for everyone [18:12] deus_, just re-run your install like you did before to preserve your LVM [18:12] 101mb???? [18:12] are you NUTS? [18:12] 101MB of what? [18:13] your / partition should be at least 4 gb [18:13] lol [18:13] vidd: you do remember my boot folder had its own partition [18:13] that's even MORE insane [18:14] your /boot partition should have a minimum of 300 mb [18:14] so it can hold 2-3 kernel versions [18:15] vidd: i usually set min to 512mb just in case [18:15] 5 years ago i was told that was the standard [18:15] to remove old kernel versions (once you have tested to verify the new version meets your needs) is sudo apt-get remove --purge [old kernel version] [18:15] deus_ lot has happened in 5 years [18:15] deus_, 5 years ago, 101 mb DID hold 2-3 kernel versions! [18:16]