[00:00] <JontheEchidna> I guess we're all good though :)
[00:03] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: bug 295534
[00:04] <JontheEchidna> there's a bug for the changelog entry when ya do the backport
[00:05] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: also your 2.6.2 package for Hardy has been trying to build in kubuntu-experimental for half a month now :P
[00:11] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: done.  I think
[00:11] <JontheEchidna> hugs!
[02:15] <jjesse> evening
[02:15] <DaSkreech> Hai
[02:20] <rgreening> \o jjesse
[02:23] <jjesse> lo rgreening
[02:23] <jjesse> oh hai DaSkreech
[02:31] <DaSkreech> apachelogger: ping
[02:32] <DaSkreech> Wasn't there a bug filed that firefox pulls in all of Gnome ?
[02:34] <nixternal> jjesse: you should go to the Michigan User's Group meeting tomorrow night in Ann Arbor :P
[02:34] <nixternal> I am presenting Kubuntu and KDE there
[02:34] <nixternal> nice 5 hour drive one-way :(
[02:35] <DaSkreech> nixternal: Or would you know ? :)
[02:35] <nixternal> huh?
[02:35] <nixternal> I don't follow firesux
[02:35] <DaSkreech> Wasn't there a bug filed on LP about Firefox pulling in all of Gnome
[02:36] <nixternal> dunno
[02:37] <JontheEchidna> bug 266946
[02:38] <DaSkreech> ah that was it!
[02:38] <DaSkreech> Thanks JontheEchidna
[02:38] <JontheEchidna> np
[02:44] <rgreening> DaSkreech: apturl is the culprit. I was going to work with mvo at UDS on a better KDE spec for FF
[02:44] <rgreening> DaSkreech: I've added to the specs page in ~topic
[02:47] <DaSkreech> What's the deal with the qt firefox from Mozilla?
[02:49] <rgreening> dunno.
[03:47] <JontheEchidna> bzip2: Depends: libbz2-1.0 (= 1.0.5-0.1ubuntu1) but 1.0.5-1ubuntu1 is to be installed.
[03:47] <JontheEchidna> meh
[03:47] <ScottK> Give me a merge debdiff and I'll sponsor it.  Problem solved.
[03:48] <JontheEchidna> the thing is that I can't seem to find the problem...
[03:49] <JontheEchidna> Depends: libbz2-1.0 (=${binary:Version}), ${shlibs:Depends}
[03:49] <ScottK> Use dpkg-compareversions (or something very close to that)
[03:53] <JontheEchidna> dpkg --compare-versions perhaps?
[03:53] <ScottK> Yeah.
[03:53] <crimsun> you appear to have some sort of intrepid/jaunty apt cache mix
[03:54] <JontheEchidna> I thought I told pbuilder to make a jaunty environment
[03:55] <ScottK> OK.  In that case, I'd listen to what crimsun has to say.
[03:55] <JontheEchidna> crimsun: you think recreating the pbuilder environment would help?
[03:56] <crimsun> JontheEchidna: did you resync by using pbuilder update ?
[03:56] <crimsun> and if you altered the components, you'll need --override-config
[03:56] <JontheEchidna> I thought I had a hook for doing an update each time I try to build something, but looking at the log I guess it doesn't upgrade
[03:58] <JontheEchidna> silly me
[03:59] <JontheEchidna> crimsun: much better, thanks for the hint
[03:59] <crimsun> yw
[04:06] <ScottK> Is there any real reason I shouldn't write an obnoxious blog post about how Rosetta's major accomplishment for KDE was to deliver translations worse than upstreams?
[04:06] <vorian> :o
[04:06] <vorian> ScottK: i'd skip that
[04:06] <vorian> maybe somethng about the greatness of the coming 4.2
[04:07] <ScottK> Why?  If no one says anything, that one will just suck too.
[04:07] <vorian> :/
[04:08] <ScottK> The one where everything is 'fixed' we got at the end is still less complete than upstream's.
[04:11]  * ScottK looks for the screen shots.
[04:12] <JontheEchidna> to their credit they have seemed to have found/dealt with the issues.... after the release: bug 292473
[04:12] <ScottK> http://www.flickr.com/photos/19616885@N00/2991047111/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/19616885@N00/2991042741/
[04:12] <ScottK> The Kubuntu one is after stuff was fixed.
[04:13] <ScottK> That's what we released with.
[04:13] <JontheEchidna> I mean, after the release they found further issues which they resolved a few days ago
[04:13] <ScottK> I checked with apachelogger and the Kubuntu screenshots are correctly described.
[04:14] <JontheEchidna> but yes, we did release with awful translations
[04:15] <ScottK> I see.
[04:15] <ScottK> Well that's good news.
[04:16] <ScottK> Are these new language packs released yet?
[04:16] <JontheEchidna> not that I know of
[04:16] <ScottK> So we still suck.
[04:17] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[04:17] <JontheEchidna> Harald seems to know what's going on
[04:19]  * JontheEchidna out
[07:31] <Riddell> morning
[08:43] <supertones> does ati or nvidia work better these days?
[10:11] <Hobbsee> ScottK: got some more packages for me to accept?
[10:13] <Hobbsee> ScottK: like that backports kde4libs?
[10:22] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ?
[10:47] <Riddell> Hobbsee: hmm?
[10:47] <Hobbsee> Riddell: never mind, someoen else accepted it
[12:39] <apachelogger> ScottK: I would assume the packages are uploaded by now, somewhere.... ;-)
[12:41] <apachelogger> Nightrose: I think I found the phonon problem
[12:41] <Nightrose> apachelogger: OMG
[12:41] <Nightrose> tell
[12:41]  * Nightrose prepares cookies
[12:43] <apachelogger> at some point they introduced a policy control node as a kded module, called phononserver, it appears to me that if that module is not loaded (e.g. when you are running a KDE 4 version with an too old phonon) the device listing fails and no sound is going to come out of the speakers
[12:43] <apachelogger> that also perfectly explains why it is working in a kde-nightly session
[12:43] <Nightrose> oO
[12:44] <apachelogger> so IMHO this is pretty much phonon's fault, as it should be capable of running in an environment where kded doesn't have the policy server
[12:45] <apachelogger> it's also likely that it doesn't work properly in a GNOME session
[12:47] <apachelogger> yus
[12:47] <apachelogger> Nightrose: it also fails in GNOME, unless phonon tried to query my other dbus session, which would be stupid as well ;-)
[12:47] <Nightrose> apachelogger: great
[12:47] <Nightrose> not
[12:47] <Nightrose> ;-)
[12:48] <Nightrose> so what to do?
[12:48] <Nightrose> add that thingy?
[12:48] <apachelogger> we can't
[12:48] <Nightrose> :/
[12:48] <Nightrose> why?
[12:49] <apachelogger> I seroisouly doubt a 4.2 kded module works in 4.1
[12:49] <apachelogger> not to mention the fiddeling with paths
[12:49] <Nightrose> ah
[12:49] <apachelogger> and it would be only a workaround
[12:49] <Nightrose> yea
[12:49] <apachelogger> Nightrose: Vir has to fix tha phonon
[12:49] <apachelogger> it's broken in everything but KDE 4.2 sessions according to my studies
[12:49] <Nightrose> do youhave time to write him an email? I doubt I can explain this to him in a way he understands
[12:50] <apachelogger> just mail him what I said
[12:50] <Nightrose> oh he is online
[12:50] <Nightrose> you can talk to him in .dev
[12:50] <jussi01> hey Nightrose! did apachelogger make you a nice package yet?
[12:51] <Nightrose> heya jussi01 :)
[12:51] <Nightrose> nope
[12:52] <jussi01> Nightrose: oh thats sad...
[12:52] <Nightrose> ;-)
[12:52] <apachelogger> package of what?
[12:53] <Nightrose> jep
[12:53] <Nightrose> quassel
[12:53] <jussi01> apachelogger: she wants latest git quassel in app, Im traveling so dont have time
[12:53] <jussi01> ppa*
[12:53] <apachelogger> oh right
[12:54] <jussi01> is it possible to get flash in webkit?
[12:55] <jussi01> ie. webkitkde in konqui...
[13:00] <apachelogger> yes
[13:00] <apachelogger> with Qt 4.5
[13:20] <Riddell> hmm, bug in my inbox subject "WARNING: Intrepid might burn down MacBook Pro"
[13:24] <apachelogger> I don't have that one
[13:24] <apachelogger> must not be important  :P
[13:46] <ScottK> Hobbsee: I think every thing is accepted now, thanks.
[13:47] <ScottK> Somone might want to look at Debian Bug #505285.  It's claimed there to be a 4.1.2 -> 4.1.3 regression.  We should make sure we don't have it.
[13:50] <apachelogger> ScottK: looks older than 4.1.3
[13:50] <apachelogger> I think I saw that backtrace a couple of times already
[13:52] <ScottK> OK.  Just watching out for regressions.
[14:15] <apachelogger> is seele on vacation?
[14:17] <Riddell> not that I know of
[14:17] <apachelogger> need to know when/if she has time for the meeting
[14:18] <apachelogger> we have a quorum on sunday, but ScottK doesn't have time and james_w might be half-asleep, on tuesday we don't have a quorum but ScottK and james_w should be around
[14:19] <ScottK> apachelogger: Depending on the time on Sunday there is some hope I might make it (if it's in the afternoon in -0500).  I just can't promise.
[14:19] <apachelogger> Riddell: I guess we could do a short meeting with Arby's membership application and other upcoming topics and devote tuesday to the bzr discussion
[14:20] <apachelogger> the short meeting would be on sunday
[14:23] <Riddell> I'd prefer tuesday
[14:26] <apachelogger> Riddell: if seele or Tonio are able to attend we have a quorum on tuesday... or we just do the voting via mail
[14:34] <apachelogger> Riddell: btw, I guess we could write a script for filing our SRU bugs. we already reference bugs which are fixed in the changelog, so the script could quite easily do an information aggregation and submit the SRU bugs
[14:35] <Nightrose> apachelogger: she is visiting family afaik
[14:35] <Nightrose> if you are lucky she may show up from time to time
[14:35] <apachelogger> hm, IMHO you should just do the membership voting via mail then
[14:36] <Nightrose> apachelogger: fregl is moving this weekend so i have no idea when and if i will be around
[14:36] <apachelogger> Nightrose: doing the meeting on tuesday as it seems
[14:37] <Nightrose> ok good
[14:37] <jjesse> morning
[14:37] <apachelogger> jjesse: konichiwa
[14:42] <rgreening> bom dia
[14:44] <apachelogger> http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-promo&m=122634721728301&w=2
[14:47] <Riddell> nice post :)
[14:52] <jjesse> yay
[14:58] <JontheEchidna> Some d00d hit a telephone poll last night and knocked out power to the entire neighborhood :/
[15:03] <apachelogger> bug 280997
[15:04] <apachelogger> I think you all will have to attend a workshop about proper bug triage
[15:04] <jjesse> we don't need no stinkin bug triage
[15:06] <apachelogger> wrong
[15:14] <JontheEchidna> irt to the bluetooth bug, assume makes an ass out of u and me
[15:15] <rgreening> ~facts about assume
[15:15] <kubotu> [13/13] rule #1 of tech support - never assume as it makes an 'ass' out of 'u' & 'me'
[15:16] <ScottK> That works for more than just tech support.
[15:16] <rgreening> true ScottK
[15:31]  * smarter thinks that https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Teams/Kubuntu needs update :)
[15:34] <Riddell> that should be replaced with a pointer to the launchpad team
[15:35] <emma> Hello everyone. Is there anyone here who is a Kubuntu Motu?
[15:36] <emma> There is a bug in the firefox package for kubuntu. I was hoping someone talented here could help by making a Kfirefox package for Kubuntu users.
[15:37] <smarter> what would this package be for?
[15:37] <emma> It would be for installing Firefox if you are using Kubuntu.
[15:37] <smarter> and we don't make any firefox package, the mozilla team do them
[15:37] <smarter> and what's wrong with the standard ubuntu firefox package?
[15:37] <emma> smarter: did the Mozilla team set up the package so that it would install GNOME deps on Kubuntu?
[15:38] <smarter> if it does, that's a bug
[15:38] <smarter> what gnome deps does it install for you?
[15:38] <emma> smarter: Yes that's a bug. That's why I was hoping someone talented here could make a Kfirefox package so that people using Kubuntu could install firefox without all the GNOME deps
[15:39] <jussi01> smarter: try apt-get installing it - because of the new reccomends install it takes loads of gnome deps
[15:41] <Riddell> that's is a long standing grumble of various people, nothing new
[15:41] <Riddell> maybe the qt firefox port will be usable in jaunty (suspect not though)
[15:41] <smarter> emma: no need for a "kfirefox", the firefox package needs to be fixed, that's all
[15:42] <smarter> emma: removing ubufox should be enough to get rid of all the gnome deps
[15:42] <emma> smarter: A great many of them.
[15:42] <smarter> the problem seem to be that apt-url use gnome libs
[15:43] <jussi01> oh horrible
[15:43] <smarter> we should make a kde version of apt-url, or someone should reimplement apt-url using only gtk libs
[15:43] <emma> smarter: well when I use sudo aptitude -R install firefox (in order to not install recommended packages by default) (Or sudo apt-get install --no-install-recommends), I end up with strange errors when firefox is run in terminal involving libbonoboui2-0 .. GTK warnings about files missing.
[15:44] <emma> doing that does prevent me from getting ubufox which is a start. But does not seem to be a total fix.
[15:44] <smarter> does the warning cause any problem?
[15:44] <smarter> *causes
[15:44] <emma> It hurts me psychologically.
[15:44] <smarter> :p
[15:44] <emma> I don't know if it causes any real problems.
[15:45] <emma> But to know it's going on back there.... every time you move to a different page..
[15:45] <smarter> ask the ubuntu mozilla guys
[15:45] <emma> here is a pastebin of errors I get ...
[15:45] <smarter> we can't really do anything
[15:45] <emma> http://club-ubuntu.pastebin.com/d78bd090
[15:45] <emma> Those are errors I get running firefox in terminal after requesting that no recommended packages were installed.
[15:47] <smarter> according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonobo_(component_model) bonobo is a deprecated library for gnome, to integrate stuff(like the KDE Kparts)
[15:47] <smarter> so ignoring these warnings should be fine, but I'm not a firefox expert so I can't say for sure
[15:47] <emma> yeah trying to install libbonobo2-0 just introduces more GNOME libs.
[15:47] <emma> firefox should be DE agnostic though shouldn't it?
[15:48] <emma> Kubuntu users should be able to use Firefox, I think. It's the best browser.
[15:50] <smarter> if it works without bonobo, then there's no problem
[15:53] <JontheEchidna> without bonobo gtk-qt-engine won't work
[15:54] <emma> installing bonobo will install the following GNOME dependencies on Kubuntu -- http://club-ubuntu.pastebin.com/d50876a08
[15:55] <Riddell> ryanakca: did you bother to reply to the e-mail from "Paul Beckett"?
[15:58] <emma> I'm very naive about these things, but as I see it, you all are very talented. You could make another package (say Kfirefox or another name) so that Kubuntu users could sudo aptitude install Kfirefox and get firefox that works nicely on Kubuntu :)
[15:58] <emma> See what I'm saying?
[15:59] <Riddell> that wouldn't be accepted, firefox is hard enough to maintain one copy of
[16:00] <Riddell> better just to fix the problem if it annoys people
[16:00] <jussi01> Riddell: Ill put a +1 on the annoyance list ;)
[16:03] <lex79> Riddell: I have an issue with kmix, look this please:
[16:03] <lex79> http://img49.imageshack.us/my.php?image=83247696de0.png
[16:04] <lex79> no volume control and in system settings -> sounds crash without log
[16:04] <lex79> but sounds works
[16:05] <lex79> is a know bug?
[16:08]  * Riddell in meetnig
[16:47] <Riddell> lex79: I've not seen anything like that
[16:49] <vvinet> Riddell: I found more information on the 30s slow kde4 boot
[16:49] <vvinet> it is a deadlock occuring in khotkeys_update, that has been since fixed in kde trunk
[16:49]  * apachelogger is awfully tired
[16:50] <vvinet> http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160892#c63
[16:50] <vvinet> I will try to apply the relevant patches
[16:50] <vvinet> and see if it goes better
[16:57]  * jussi01 has a lovely freeze on coldboot here, hasnt yet figured out whats causing it..
[17:06] <apachelogger> I am baking a trunk kmail
[17:07] <apachelogger> last time I did this it nuked my local cache and settings
[17:07] <jussi01> lol
[17:07]  * jussi01 wishes apachelogger luck
[17:07]  * apachelogger thanks jussi01
[17:11] <apachelogger> jtechidna: the bluetooth bug should have been reported upstream regardless of done communication
[17:20] <Riddell> vvinet: good hunting, let me know if it helps
[17:37] <apachelogger> omg
[17:37] <apachelogger> that new kmail
[17:37] <apachelogger> is UBERFANCY
[17:43] <apachelogger> ohh, it crashed and now the settings are gone
[17:43] <apachelogger> -.-
[17:44] <lex79> IoI
[17:46]  * JontheEchidna wonders when KDE 4.1.73 is to be released
[17:47] <apachelogger> techbase will know
[17:47] <Riddell> when dirk feels like it usually :)
[17:49] <lex79> apachelogger: can you explain me this error?
[17:49] <lex79> http://paste.ubuntu.com/70594/
[17:49] <lex79> it is my mistake?
[17:50] <apachelogger> I have a direct link to google, I can answer anything
[17:51] <apachelogger> Riddell: that merging made a lot of stuff unusable
[17:51] <apachelogger> Riddell: libplasma-dev really needs to depend on kdelibs5-dev
[17:51] <apachelogger> lex79: you can add a build-dep for kdelibs5-dev for now, but that is really an issue with libplasma-dev IMHO
[17:52] <lex79> uhm
[17:53] <lex79> also libphon-dev
[17:54] <apachelogger> I thought we fixed that?
[17:55] <apachelogger> although
[17:55] <apachelogger> nah doesn't seem so
[17:55] <apachelogger> ScottK: is there a reason libphonon-dev didn't get readd as dep of kdelibs5-dev?
[17:57] <Riddell> apachelogger: that's an issue with dh_sameversiondeps
[17:57] <Riddell> apachelogger: there's a new version arriving when kdesdk compiles, hopefully shortly
[17:57] <Riddell> then we can rebuild whatever needs those depends fixed and they ought to pick them up
[17:59] <apachelogger> ah, good
[17:59] <apachelogger> Riddell++
[18:01]  * Riddell goes canoeing
[18:01] <jjesse> have fun canoeing
[18:02] <apachelogger> hm
[18:03] <apachelogger> and who does koffice 2 beta3 meanwhile? :PÜ
[18:05] <ScottK> apachelogger: Not that I know.  I didn't drop it I don't think.
[18:13] <lex79> what is plasma-abi-4.1-1 ? is not there in repository?
[18:15] <apachelogger> ~wp application binary interface
[18:15] <kubotu> Results for application binary interface: 1. Application binary interface: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Application_binary_interface | 2. Embedded Application Binary Interface: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embedded_Application_Binary_Interface | 3. Wikipedia: http://en.mobile.wikipedia.org/transcode.php?go=binary+compatible&PHPSESSID=784d0f226969efc643af3216891030ec
[18:15] <kubotu> [1] In computer software, an application binary interface (ABI) describes the low-level interface between an application program and the operating system, or the interface between an application and its libraries, or that between component parts of an application. An ABI is similar to an application programming interface (API); however, the latter defines a source code interface.[1] Simply put, ABIs enable binary compatibilit...
[18:16] <apachelogger> lex79: why would it be in the repository?
[18:18] <lex79> because I build plasmoid-runcommand http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Run+Command?content=91495
[18:18] <lex79> and ...
[18:18] <apachelogger> lex79: simply put: the ABI is part of libplasma
[18:18] <apachelogger> and it can not not be there
[18:18] <lex79> ah
[18:19] <lex79> http://paste.ubuntu.com/70604/
[18:21] <apachelogger> Oo
[18:21] <lex79> ?
[18:21] <lex79> :)
[18:21] <apachelogger> lex79: might be related to the same issue that causes libphonon and stuff not to be detected properly
[18:21] <apachelogger> though
[18:21] <apachelogger> lex79: did you build that package in a jaunty pbuilder?
[18:21] <lex79> ya ya
[18:22]  * JontheEchidna is getting a bad feeling in the bottom of his pbuilder
[18:22] <apachelogger> it could be that that abi package is a virtual package introduced in jaunty
[18:22] <JontheEchidna> Debian introduced some abi control stuffs in their packages
[18:22] <apachelogger> yeah, makes sense
[18:22] <lex79> http://packages.debian.org/experimental/plasma-abi-4.1-1
[18:22] <apachelogger> lex79: you will have to build in an intrepid pbuilder if you want to install it
[18:23] <lex79> I installed from source :)
[18:23] <lex79> I want put in revu :)
[18:23] <apachelogger> well
[18:23] <apachelogger> lex79: you can't install the jaunty package in intrepid
[18:24] <apachelogger> jaunty holds that plasma-abi virtual package to ensure abi gets tracked properly
[18:24] <apachelogger> intrepid does not even know about it
[18:24] <apachelogger> so either you get a jaunty VM, or install in a jaunty chroot or break the dependency
[18:24] <apachelogger> or you could upgrade to jaunty, but that would be insanity... as ScottK put it ;-)
[18:25] <lex79> You don't understand :)
[18:25] <lex79> I have Jaunty
[18:25] <lex79> I upgraded LoL
[18:25] <JontheEchidna> o.o
[18:25] <stdin> why in heavens name would you upgrade?
[18:26]  * JontheEchidna never upgrades until alpha2 at least
[18:27] <lex79> my jaunty is in a test partition :)
[18:27] <apachelogger> well, even that is too much :P
[18:27] <apachelogger> anywho
[18:27] <apachelogger> does anyone have a kdebase-workspace packaging at hand?
[18:27] <apachelogger> maybe we don't have the virtual package?
[18:27] <stdin> most of jaunty is still building
[18:28] <apachelogger> actually
[18:28] <apachelogger> lex79: that all seems pretty weird
[18:28] <lex79> weird? what?
[18:28] <apachelogger> shlibdeps wouldn't be able to detect the dep on that abi package unless it (or rather libplasma2, which provides that virtual package) is available
[18:29] <lex79> uhm ya
[18:29] <apachelogger> lex79: run a dist-upgrade
[18:29] <apachelogger> you probably have an old libplasma2
[18:29] <lex79> I check it
[18:30] <lex79> 4.1.3-0ubuntu1~intrepid1
[18:30] <lex79> is there a new version?
[18:30] <apachelogger> eh??????
[18:30] <apachelogger> lex79: you didn't upgrade to jaunty
[18:30] <apachelogger> ~intrepid1 is the package from intrepid-backports
[18:30] <lex79> eh yes.. but I do dist-upgrade yesterday LoL
[18:31] <apachelogger> well, dist-upgrade != complete distribution upgrade ;-)
[18:31] <lex79> uh :(
[18:31] <apachelogger> lex79: just run your dsc through an intrepid pbuilder and you'll get a deb that is installable
[18:32] <stdin> debian has libplasma2 "Provides: ${plasma:abi-provides}"
[18:32] <apachelogger> stdin: jaunty probably as well
[18:32] <apachelogger> of course that doesn't help when one is using intrepid ;-)
[18:32] <lex79> and apachelogger can I put this package in revu?
[18:32] <apachelogger> lex79: the jaunty one
[18:32] <lex79> ok
[18:32]  * apachelogger is all confusing today
[18:33] <lex79> embarassing for my dist-upgrade
[18:33] <lex79> :D LoL
[18:33] <lex79> me too confusing ahahah
[18:33] <stdin> yeah, jaunty does
[18:33] <apachelogger> my workstation is running jaunty :P
[18:33] <apachelogger> "running"
[18:33]  * apachelogger fears upgrading
[18:34] <lex79> so my workstaion running janna jameson LoL
[18:34] <lex79> *jamson
[18:34] <stdin> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/i386/libplasma2/4:4.1.2-1ubuntu4 told me
[18:37] <stdin> someone really needs to remove some tags from bugs.lp.net 99% of the https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/ is the tags list
[18:38] <apachelogger> one does not go to /ubuntu anyway :P
[18:39] <stdin> !bugs
[18:40] <stdin> everyone who sees ^ that does :p
[18:41] <ScottK> Tags are sufficiently overused that they are, IMO, largely useless.
[18:41] <jjesse> i have never looked up a bug by a tag, and dont ever use them
[18:41] <jjesse> do many people who triag them use tags?
[18:43] <JontheEchidna> there are some use cases, but those tags probably make up <1% of all tags that are there
[18:43]  * JontheEchidna faceplams when people add the package name as a tag
[18:43] <stdin> I've only really seen apport-* and verification-* used
[18:44] <stdin> and by "used", I mean used for something other than random tagging
[18:44] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I can reproduce the thinking
[18:44] <apachelogger> malone should just be able to handle binary packages more precisely
[18:45] <JontheEchidna> yes, we shouldn't have to subscribe to all of jockey to get reports about jockey-kde
[19:15] <smarter> I'm updating my kde4-style-bespin package
[19:15] <smarter> and there's a kwin style in the svn now
[19:15] <smarter> should I name the binary package kwin4-style-bespin or kwin-style-bespin?
[19:15] <smarter> and should I renamed kde4-style-bespin to kde-style-bespin?
[19:16] <JontheEchidna> as long as kde3 and kde4 styles are co-installable I think the names should be separate
[19:16] <JontheEchidna> imo
[19:16] <JontheEchidna> not that you can really configure kde3 themes...
[19:16] <smarter> maybe we should drop them
[19:16] <JontheEchidna> sounds like a plan
[19:17] <JontheEchidna> Ok, so ktorrent from debian build-deps on libboost1.35-dev. This conflicts with kdepimlibs-dev which depends on libboost-dev (boost 1.34)
[19:18] <JontheEchidna> I am thinking kdepimlibs should be updated to build-dep on libboost1.35-dev and the dependency should not be added to ktorrent in the merge?
[19:20] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: btw, sebner impressed me
[19:21] <JontheEchidna> now I have to clean that mess up :P
[19:27] <smarter> hmm, the package also contains a KDM theme
[19:27] <smarter> but there is no previous kdm theme packaged on Ubuntu(except kde-kdm-themes)
[19:27] <smarter> how should I name it? :)
[19:28] <smarter> kdm-theme-bespin?
[19:29] <smarter> or kde-style-bespin for consistency with kde-style-foo and kwin-style-foo?
[19:29] <smarter> s/or kde-style-bespin/or kdm-style-bespin/
[19:31] <smarter> or even kdm4-style-bespin
[19:35] <lex79> apachelogger: I have this header license in all file
[19:35] <lex79> http://paste.ubuntu.com/70646/
[19:36] <lex79> in /debian/copyright I put Karthik Paithankar to upstream author
[19:36] <lex79> and in copyright both authors? is right?
[20:10] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I helped him a bit, but yes all in all a pretty good review
[20:11] <apachelogger> smarter: consult with debian I'd say
[20:16] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: actually I already changed it to kde :P
[20:17] <JontheEchidna> I guess it's also sort of weird because you're doing a review of a review
[20:57] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: well, he isn't motu so reviewing the review seems natural to me ;-)
[21:02] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: do you think rpath issues are what's cauing the neon incompatibilities I saw earlier on in the Intrepid cycle?
[21:03] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: what incompability?
[21:03] <JontheEchidna> oh, if you had kde-neon installed you couldn't run qt apps
[21:03] <JontheEchidna> complained about incompatible Qt libs
[21:03] <apachelogger> no, that was a Qt caching issue
[21:04] <apachelogger> amarok-nightly-qt now uses a different version identification which should prevent such things
[21:04] <JontheEchidna> nice
[21:04] <JontheEchidna> maybe I should reinstall kde-nightly some time then
[21:09] <vorian> is there a global proxy setting in kubuntu that will work for adept?
[21:09] <vorian> and hai
[21:11] <Riddell> vorian: no, adept uses the apt proxy setting, really freedesktop needs to find one way to do proxy config
[21:11] <Riddell> hi ^seelenn^
[21:12] <vorian> okie
[21:14] <Riddell> grr, kdesdk still hasn't built
[21:15] <^seelenn^> Hi Riddell
[21:16]  * ^seelenn^ steps out of lurking mode
[21:16] <Riddell> ooh, ^seelenn^ lives!
[21:16] <^seelenn^> I was in the process of being given a coffee so wasn't looking at my screen
[21:17] <Riddell> nobody to give me a coffee tonight, and the shop ran out of Irn Bru
[21:17]  * Nightrose hands Riddell a virtual coffee
[21:17] <Riddell> ^seelenn^: are you using intrepid?
[21:17]  * Arby sends Riddell Irn-Bru over IP
[21:18] <Nightrose> hehe
[21:18] <^seelenn^> Riddell: Yes I am
[21:19] <Riddell> ^seelenn^: what's your opinion on KDE 4?
[21:20] <^seelenn^> It gives me what I need and it's oh so very shiny!
[21:20] <Riddell> yay, I was reading over https://wiki.kubuntu.org/IntrepidIbex/Final/Kubuntu/Feedback, not a single positive comment
[21:20] <seele> heh
[21:20] <Riddell> although those pages are always pretty negative, people with something to complain about tend to use them more than people who are happy
[21:21]  * Riddell wonders if seele gets a highlight whenever someone talks to ^seelenn^ 
[21:22] <Arby> heh, that would be unfortunate
[21:22] <Nightrose> most of the feedback i got was very positive
[21:22] <Nightrose> except for the occasional wining - but those are people who are never pleased anyway
[21:22] <Nightrose> +h
[21:22] <seele> Riddell: irssi no, konversation yes
[21:23] <seele> so it makes using konversation a little annoying
[21:23] <Riddell> ^seelenn^: so, fancy becoming an elite Kubuntu contributor? :)
[21:23] <^seelenn^> What can I help out with then guys, webstuff related
[21:24] <^seelenn^> Yeah, why not, sounds like a giggle! :)
[21:25] <Riddell> ^seelenn^: do you know how to use Drupal?
[21:25] <seele> whoa
[21:26] <seele> ScottK: do you know Dan Chen?
[21:26] <^seelenn^> Yes, I'm at this very moment installing 6.6 to play around with
[21:26] <crimsun> seele: Scott and I had lunch when I first moved to the DC metro area.
[21:26] <Riddell> ^seelenn^: I had a complaint today (well ages ago but I only read the e-mail today) about the "free download" box on kubuntu.org having only a small area being a link
[21:27] <Riddell> ^seelenn^: do you think you'd know how to change it so the whole box is clickable?
[21:27]  * ^seelenn^ opens kubuntu.org and takes a look
[21:28] <seele> crimsun: lol i just sent you an email!
[21:28] <seele> crimsun: i'm in Rockville
[21:28] <seele> crimsun: do you live in Baltimore or somewhere near?
[21:30] <crimsun> seele: College Park, but I spend most of my non-work time in DC
[21:30] <seele> crimsun: oh nice.. so you are real close.  are you going to UMD?
[21:30] <crimsun> seele: no, just work in the metro area
[21:31] <Riddell> UMD?
[21:31] <crimsun> Riddell: university of maryland (college park)
[21:31] <seele> crimsun: who are you working for?
[21:31] <crimsun> seele: Dept. of Defense
[21:31] <seele> crimsun: fed or contractor?
[21:31] <crimsun> the former
[21:32] <seele> ooh, scary :)
[21:32] <crimsun> or not.  I mess with computers; nothing scary there.
[21:33] <seele> that's cool though, it's always nice to find more Ubunteros in DC
[21:33] <seele> DC/Baltimore seems to be a petri dish for Kubuntu contributors ;)
[21:34] <crimsun> maco and I were geared up to hit Cleveland Park, so we were disappointed when the UI session was cancelled
[21:34] <crimsun> we had a couple not-so-savvy-KDE-users in tow
[21:34]  * JontheEchidna wants to note that he grew up in the suburbs surrounding the DC area
[21:35]  * JontheEchidna is a proud part of the petri dish too :P
[21:35] <JontheEchidna> must be the water
[21:35] <Riddell> I'm all jelous, no other Kubuntu developers in this city
[21:36] <seele> crimsun: UGH!  you should have put your name on the wiki or sent a message on the mailing list
[21:36] <Riddell> although, rocking hogmanay party due at my flat end of next month, poke Arby, ^seelenn^, anyone else in Britain
[21:37] <seele> crimsun: it didn't look like anyone was going to show up
[21:37] <Arby> that's not an impossible idea
[21:37]  * ^seelenn^ says the same as Arby :)
[21:39] <crimsun> seele: yeah, we should have e-mailed; we weren't sure whether it was for complete novices, for non-savvy-KDE-users (but PC-proficient), or ...
[21:39] <Riddell> Arby, ^seelenn^: groovy, sign up to kde-gb list I'll send out an e-mail at some point http://lists.quaker.eu.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-gb
[21:40] <seele> crimsun: it was pretty much for any type of user, but it was GNOME not KDE.  The DC LoCo is Ubuntu-centric so that was the only way I could get interest
[21:40] <Riddell> various other KDE types should be there http://lists.quaker.eu.org/pipermail/kde-gb/2008-October/thread.html
[21:40]  * seele wishes it was for KDE.. oh well
[21:41] <Nightrose> seele: why not revive it with crimsun and whoever he will bring with him and do KDE stuff instead?
[21:41] <Nightrose> if noone is interested in gnome...
[21:41] <Nightrose> ;-)
[21:42]  * Arby signs up
[21:43] <crimsun> seele: might have better coverage w/ CALUG, MALUG, NoVALUG, and DCLUG all as recipients of an e-mail
[21:43] <seele> Nightrose: i don't have a lab to do it in
[21:43] <Nightrose> ah :(
[21:43] <Arby> back to converting system-config-printer-kde to PyKDE
[21:44] <seele> crimsun: i've heard the UMBC student LUG is pretty active and interested in ways to contribute, so i might look in to that next spring
[21:44] <seele> the UMD LUG too but I don't know anyone there anymore
[21:44] <Arby> anybody know the PyKDE equivalent to QMessageBox.critical ?
[21:44] <crimsun> seele: right, please keep maco and I posted
[21:44] <seele> crimsun: will do
[21:45] <foma53421> äîáðîé íî÷è âñåì
[21:45] <seele> crimsun: if youre in to social events.. you should also watch out for DC linux chix meetings (coed).  we always meet at a pirate bar in silver spring :)
[21:46] <Riddell> Arby: http://api.kde.org/4.x-api/kdelibs-apidocs/kdeui/html/classKMessageBox.html#0362367a7c9a1c7d41b72a8cc398072b ?
[21:46] <crimsun> seele: I went to one recently (but not the most recent lunch)
[21:46] <crimsun> seele: err, I think the one I attended was in VA
[21:46] <nixternal> oi, driving to michigan takes way to long...just do give a presentation on kubuntu and kde4
[21:46] <crimsun> nixternal: whatev
[21:46] <nixternal> hush you sound dude
[21:47] <seele> nixternal: get with the program and do it remotely.. i'm speaking "at" the Spokane LUG meeting next week via netmeeting of some sort
[21:47] <foma53421> íàðîä à òóò ðóñêîãîâîðÿùèå åñòü :) ????
[21:48] <nixternal> seele: that rocks!
[21:48] <Arby> Riddell: ah, error or detailedError seem to be the answer thanks
[21:48] <seele> crimsun: have you met Katie Bechtold?  she runs DC linux chix and goes to a lot of hack DC stuff
[21:48] <nixternal> damn, why didn't I think of that
[21:49] <nixternal> heh
[21:50] <crimsun> seele: I have  (IIRC she has the punk cases, and such)
[21:50] <Riddell> sometimes I'm glad I don't have a utf8 irc client
[21:51] <crimsun> pink?  I meant pink
[21:57] <seele> hmm.. wasn't there supposed to be a kubuntu meeting sometime soon?
[21:57] <nixternal> Riddell: I would have booted him, but I don't have the powah it seems...thought I did
[21:58] <nixternal> Riddell: anything you think I should add to a kubuntu/kde presentation tonight?
[21:58] <nixternal> I have all of the basics covered
[21:59] <Nightrose> seele: probably tuesday
[22:00] <Nightrose> seele: apachelogger was waiting for your input on doodle.ch
[22:00] <Riddell> nixternal: say what a rocking community we have!
[22:00] <nixternal> Riddell: check
[22:01] <seele> Nightrose: what doodle?
[22:01] <nixternal> should I pop jcastro in the head while I am at it?
[22:01] <Nightrose> seele: sec
[22:01] <Riddell> nixternal: don't you have laws against that sort of thing?  or is that going to be another Obama change?
[22:01] <Nightrose> seele: http://doodle.com/participation.html?pollId=tvt9bb3fvtbqda8v
[22:01] <nixternal> hahahahahahahahahahahaha
[22:02] <seele> hmm.. well that is useful
[22:02] <Riddell> nixternal: say that intrepid is intended to be intrepid and people who want to stay with what they know should stick with hardy
[22:03] <nixternal> Riddell: roger that
[22:03] <seele> Riddell: are you going to say that to future jaunty users too?
[22:04] <nixternal> "future jaunty whiners" :)
[22:04] <Riddell> seele: naw, Jaunty will be stable as a rock
[22:05] <nixternal> a big rock I hope :)
[22:05] <yuriy> as a Hardy rock?
[22:05] <Riddell> Ularu Rock
[22:11] <JontheEchidna> volcanic rock :P
[22:11] <nixternal> acid rock!
[22:11] <nixternal> hahaha
[22:17] <^seelenn^> Riddell: I've made it so the whole of the images are links
[22:17] <^seelenn^> is this problem solved, or did you want the whole download blue box to be a link?
[22:17] <seele> no don't do that
[22:18] <seele> ^seelenn^: link the text "Download" too
[22:18] <Riddell> ^seelenn^: seele's the boss
[22:18] <ryanakca> Riddell: the family tree spam thing? No.
[22:18] <Riddell> ryanakca: you think it was spam?
[22:18] <^seelenn^> okay seele, working on it now
[22:19] <seele> ^seelenn^: thanks
[22:19] <ryanakca> Riddell: do I know an Adrian Rea?
[22:19] <Riddell> ryanakca: dunno, I was thinking he googled it and came to a kubuntu page, not worth a reply anyway
[22:20] <^seelenn^> seele: Done
[22:20] <Riddell> ^seelenn^: seems to be quite a large gap at the top, any idea what's causing that?
[22:21] <^seelenn^> It was there before, css most likely, I'll have a poke around to fix it
[22:22] <Riddell> it's definately more now that it was before
[22:22] <Riddell> ryanakca: got any other website fixes needing done?  ^seelenn^ is ready to help out
[22:23] <seele> ^seelenn^: check the margins on <h1>
[22:24] <ryanakca> woah. download box needs fixing... ummm... if (he/she) has a drupal install, they could help me test the screenshot plugin... or could help me get the wiki theme's color palette done.
[22:24]  * ryanakca looks on his todo list
[22:25] <ryanakca> Riddell: I suppose we'll leave the masthead as it is for a bit longer?
[22:25] <^seelenn^> hi ryanakca
[22:26] <^seelenn^> I'm working on the download box now
[22:26] <ryanakca> ^seelenn^: you could also look for same awesome reviews of Intrepid and update the /reviews page
[22:27]  * ^seelenn^ adds to to do list
[22:37] <Riddell> ~twitter went to parliament and handed out white poppies
[22:37] <kubotu> incorrect usage, ask for help using 'kubotu: help twitter'
[22:37] <Riddell> aww
[22:37] <Riddell> ~twitter update went to parliament and handed out white poppies
[22:37] <kubotu> status updated
[22:37] <Riddell> groovy
[22:39] <ryanakca> White? Hmmm... red over here :)
[22:41] <nixternal> Riddell: how come you aren't following me on twitter? you hurt my feelings :(
[22:42] <Riddell> I don't think I'm following anyone on twitter
[22:42] <nixternal> you are following aseigo and 2 others
[22:42] <nixternal> I see how you are :P
[22:42] <Nightrose> yea...
[22:42] <nixternal> hehe
[22:42] <Riddell> well I had to test how it worked
[22:42] <Riddell> nixternal: but aren't you on planetkde?
[22:42] <nixternal> yes I am
[22:42] <Nightrose> he isn't following people like us nixternal :(
[22:42] <ryanakca> Hmmm... anybody have a copy of svn2bzr.py ? The bzr branch for it seems to be disappeared...
[22:43] <ryanakca> s/disappeared/empty/g
[22:43] <Riddell> nixternal: I don't see your twitter feed in the config
[22:43] <nixternal> nice thing about bzr, you can roll back and get it unempty :P
[22:43] <nixternal> Riddell: it is there..I set it up a few weeks ago...more towards the bottom of the config
[22:43] <Riddell> ryanakca: apt-get install bzr-svn ?
[22:44] <nixternal> I see my feed on pk.o
[22:44] <Riddell> nixternal: so it is, so there you go, I do follow you
[22:44] <nixternal> lol
[22:44] <nixternal> feel the love :)
[22:44] <nixternal> less than a month to go until we do Kubuntu Hackfest at UDS!!!
[22:44]  * nixternal is stoked
[22:46] <Riddell> get pumped!
[22:46] <ryanakca> nixternal: ah, fixed it... I kept on getting ``bzr: ERROR: No WorkingTree exists for "file:///home/ryan/bzr/trunk/.bzr/checkout/".'' :)
[22:47] <^seelenn^> seele: Riddell
[22:48] <^seelenn^> fixed it
[22:48] <ryanakca> I do hope I can convince my principal to let me miss my last period so that I can listen in / hopefully participate in the UDS with Ekiga
[22:49]  * Riddell high fives ^seelenn^ 
[22:51] <ryanakca> ^seelenn^: yay :)
[22:55] <^seelenn^> ryanakca: Can you tell me what version of Drupal the site uses and how I can set up a test install of it
[22:56] <^seelenn^> and give me an idea of what I can do in regards to the screenshot plugin
[22:56] <Arby> Riddell: I've converted most of the s-c-p-kde widgets to PyKDE now
[22:57] <Arby> is there a way to display the error boxes without actually triggering the error
[22:57] <Arby> so I can test them
[23:00] <Riddell> Arby: just put the code somewhere that it'll run on startup like the __init__() method
[23:00] <Arby> ok
[23:00] <Arby> Riddell: I'll mail you the patch when I'm done to review at your leisure
[23:00] <Riddell> great
[23:01] <Arby> make sure I haven't added any crack :)
[23:01] <Riddell> your svn account application seems to be in progress
[23:01] <ScottK> seele: It's as crimsun says.
[23:01] <Arby> great
[23:01]  * ScottK was napping.
[23:01]  * ScottK is old and all that.
[23:02] <Riddell> ScottK: claim you're Spanish and call it a siesta
[23:02] <ScottK> ;-)
[23:03] <ScottK> Actually it's because I only got 5 hours sleep last night and I was beat.
[23:09] <ryanakca> ^seelenn^: here, you can help me test it on my testsite, give me a few