[00:00] I guess we're all good though :) [00:03] Riddell: bug 295534 [00:04] Launchpad bug 295534 in cmake "Please provide cmake 2.6.2 in intrepid backports" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/295534 [00:04] there's a bug for the changelog entry when ya do the backport [00:05] Riddell: also your 2.6.2 package for Hardy has been trying to build in kubuntu-experimental for half a month now :P [00:11] JontheEchidna: done. I think [00:11] hugs! === txwikinger2 is now known as txwikinger === txwikinger2 is now known as txwikinger === txwikinger2 is now known as txwikinger [02:15] evening [02:15] Hai [02:20] \o jjesse [02:23] lo rgreening [02:23] oh hai DaSkreech [02:31] apachelogger: ping [02:32] Wasn't there a bug filed that firefox pulls in all of Gnome ? [02:34] jjesse: you should go to the Michigan User's Group meeting tomorrow night in Ann Arbor :P [02:34] I am presenting Kubuntu and KDE there [02:34] nice 5 hour drive one-way :( [02:35] nixternal: Or would you know ? :) [02:35] huh? [02:35] I don't follow firesux [02:35] Wasn't there a bug filed on LP about Firefox pulling in all of Gnome [02:36] dunno [02:37] bug 266946 [02:37] Launchpad bug 266946 in firefox-3.0 "firefox installs unnecessary packages when installing on KDE" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/266946 [02:38] ah that was it! [02:38] Thanks JontheEchidna [02:38] np [02:44] DaSkreech: apturl is the culprit. I was going to work with mvo at UDS on a better KDE spec for FF [02:44] DaSkreech: I've added to the specs page in ~topic [02:47] What's the deal with the qt firefox from Mozilla? [02:49] dunno. [03:47] bzip2: Depends: libbz2-1.0 (= 1.0.5-0.1ubuntu1) but 1.0.5-1ubuntu1 is to be installed. [03:47] meh [03:47] Give me a merge debdiff and I'll sponsor it. Problem solved. [03:48] the thing is that I can't seem to find the problem... [03:49] Depends: libbz2-1.0 (=${binary:Version}), ${shlibs:Depends} [03:49] Use dpkg-compareversions (or something very close to that) [03:53] dpkg --compare-versions perhaps? [03:53] Yeah. [03:53] you appear to have some sort of intrepid/jaunty apt cache mix [03:54] I thought I told pbuilder to make a jaunty environment [03:55] OK. In that case, I'd listen to what crimsun has to say. [03:55] crimsun: you think recreating the pbuilder environment would help? [03:56] JontheEchidna: did you resync by using pbuilder update ? [03:56] and if you altered the components, you'll need --override-config [03:56] I thought I had a hook for doing an update each time I try to build something, but looking at the log I guess it doesn't upgrade [03:58] silly me [03:59] crimsun: much better, thanks for the hint [03:59] yw [04:06] Is there any real reason I shouldn't write an obnoxious blog post about how Rosetta's major accomplishment for KDE was to deliver translations worse than upstreams? [04:06] :o [04:06] ScottK: i'd skip that [04:06] maybe somethng about the greatness of the coming 4.2 [04:07] Why? If no one says anything, that one will just suck too. [04:07] :/ [04:08] The one where everything is 'fixed' we got at the end is still less complete than upstream's. [04:11] * ScottK looks for the screen shots. [04:12] to their credit they have seemed to have found/dealt with the issues.... after the release: bug 292473 [04:12] Launchpad bug 292473 in rosetta "KDE4 in Intrepid lacks translations for messages with context or plural forms" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/292473 [04:12] http://www.flickr.com/photos/19616885@N00/2991047111/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/19616885@N00/2991042741/ [04:12] The Kubuntu one is after stuff was fixed. [04:13] That's what we released with. [04:13] I mean, after the release they found further issues which they resolved a few days ago [04:13] I checked with apachelogger and the Kubuntu screenshots are correctly described. [04:14] but yes, we did release with awful translations [04:15] I see. [04:15] Well that's good news. [04:16] Are these new language packs released yet? [04:16] not that I know of [04:16] So we still suck. [04:17] yeah [04:17] Harald seems to know what's going on [04:19] * JontheEchidna out === santiago-ve is now known as Guest69496 === Guest69496 is now known as santiago-ve [07:31] morning === firephoto_ is now known as firephoto [08:43] does ati or nvidia work better these days? === fabo_ is now known as fabo [10:11] ScottK: got some more packages for me to accept? [10:13] ScottK: like that backports kde4libs? [10:22] Riddell: ? [10:47] Hobbsee: hmm? [10:47] Riddell: never mind, someoen else accepted it [12:39] ScottK: I would assume the packages are uploaded by now, somewhere.... ;-) [12:41] Nightrose: I think I found the phonon problem [12:41] apachelogger: OMG [12:41] tell [12:41] * Nightrose prepares cookies [12:43] at some point they introduced a policy control node as a kded module, called phononserver, it appears to me that if that module is not loaded (e.g. when you are running a KDE 4 version with an too old phonon) the device listing fails and no sound is going to come out of the speakers [12:43] that also perfectly explains why it is working in a kde-nightly session [12:43] oO [12:44] so IMHO this is pretty much phonon's fault, as it should be capable of running in an environment where kded doesn't have the policy server [12:45] it's also likely that it doesn't work properly in a GNOME session [12:47] yus [12:47] Nightrose: it also fails in GNOME, unless phonon tried to query my other dbus session, which would be stupid as well ;-) [12:47] apachelogger: great [12:47] not [12:47] ;-) [12:48] so what to do? [12:48] add that thingy? [12:48] we can't [12:48] :/ [12:48] why? [12:49] I seroisouly doubt a 4.2 kded module works in 4.1 [12:49] not to mention the fiddeling with paths [12:49] ah [12:49] and it would be only a workaround [12:49] yea [12:49] Nightrose: Vir has to fix tha phonon [12:49] it's broken in everything but KDE 4.2 sessions according to my studies [12:49] do youhave time to write him an email? I doubt I can explain this to him in a way he understands [12:50] just mail him what I said [12:50] oh he is online [12:50] you can talk to him in .dev [12:50] hey Nightrose! did apachelogger make you a nice package yet? [12:51] heya jussi01 :) [12:51] nope [12:52] Nightrose: oh thats sad... [12:52] ;-) [12:52] package of what? [12:53] jep [12:53] quassel [12:53] apachelogger: she wants latest git quassel in app, Im traveling so dont have time [12:53] ppa* [12:53] oh right [12:54] is it possible to get flash in webkit? [12:55] ie. webkitkde in konqui... [13:00] yes [13:00] with Qt 4.5 [13:20] hmm, bug in my inbox subject "WARNING: Intrepid might burn down MacBook Pro" [13:24] I don't have that one [13:24] must not be important :P [13:46] Hobbsee: I think every thing is accepted now, thanks. [13:47] Somone might want to look at Debian Bug #505285. It's claimed there to be a 4.1.2 -> 4.1.3 regression. We should make sure we don't have it. [13:47] Debian bug 505285 in kmail "kmail crash in 4.1.3" [Normal,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/505285 [13:50] ScottK: looks older than 4.1.3 [13:50] I think I saw that backtrace a couple of times already [13:52] OK. Just watching out for regressions. === smarter_ is now known as smarter [14:15] is seele on vacation? [14:17] not that I know of [14:17] need to know when/if she has time for the meeting [14:18] we have a quorum on sunday, but ScottK doesn't have time and james_w might be half-asleep, on tuesday we don't have a quorum but ScottK and james_w should be around [14:19] apachelogger: Depending on the time on Sunday there is some hope I might make it (if it's in the afternoon in -0500). I just can't promise. [14:19] Riddell: I guess we could do a short meeting with Arby's membership application and other upcoming topics and devote tuesday to the bzr discussion [14:20] the short meeting would be on sunday [14:23] I'd prefer tuesday [14:26] Riddell: if seele or Tonio are able to attend we have a quorum on tuesday... or we just do the voting via mail [14:34] Riddell: btw, I guess we could write a script for filing our SRU bugs. we already reference bugs which are fixed in the changelog, so the script could quite easily do an information aggregation and submit the SRU bugs [14:35] apachelogger: she is visiting family afaik [14:35] if you are lucky she may show up from time to time [14:35] hm, IMHO you should just do the membership voting via mail then [14:36] apachelogger: fregl is moving this weekend so i have no idea when and if i will be around [14:36] Nightrose: doing the meeting on tuesday as it seems [14:37] ok good [14:37] morning [14:37] jjesse: konichiwa [14:42] bom dia [14:44] http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-promo&m=122634721728301&w=2 [14:47] nice post :) [14:52] yay [14:58] Some d00d hit a telephone poll last night and knocked out power to the entire neighborhood :/ [15:03] bug 280997 [15:03] Launchpad bug 280997 in kdebase-workspace "solid-bluetooth needs update for bluez 4.x" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/280997 [15:04] I think you all will have to attend a workshop about proper bug triage [15:04] we don't need no stinkin bug triage [15:06] wrong === txwikinger2 is now known as txwikinger [15:14] irt to the bluetooth bug, assume makes an ass out of u and me [15:15] ~facts about assume [15:15] [13/13] rule #1 of tech support - never assume as it makes an 'ass' out of 'u' & 'me' [15:16] That works for more than just tech support. [15:16] true ScottK [15:31] * smarter thinks that https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Teams/Kubuntu needs update :) [15:34] that should be replaced with a pointer to the launchpad team [15:35] Hello everyone. Is there anyone here who is a Kubuntu Motu? [15:36] There is a bug in the firefox package for kubuntu. I was hoping someone talented here could help by making a Kfirefox package for Kubuntu users. [15:37] what would this package be for? [15:37] It would be for installing Firefox if you are using Kubuntu. [15:37] and we don't make any firefox package, the mozilla team do them [15:37] and what's wrong with the standard ubuntu firefox package? [15:37] smarter: did the Mozilla team set up the package so that it would install GNOME deps on Kubuntu? [15:38] if it does, that's a bug [15:38] what gnome deps does it install for you? [15:38] smarter: Yes that's a bug. That's why I was hoping someone talented here could make a Kfirefox package so that people using Kubuntu could install firefox without all the GNOME deps [15:39] smarter: try apt-get installing it - because of the new reccomends install it takes loads of gnome deps [15:41] that's is a long standing grumble of various people, nothing new [15:41] maybe the qt firefox port will be usable in jaunty (suspect not though) [15:41] emma: no need for a "kfirefox", the firefox package needs to be fixed, that's all [15:42] emma: removing ubufox should be enough to get rid of all the gnome deps [15:42] smarter: A great many of them. [15:42] the problem seem to be that apt-url use gnome libs [15:43] oh horrible [15:43] we should make a kde version of apt-url, or someone should reimplement apt-url using only gtk libs [15:43] smarter: well when I use sudo aptitude -R install firefox (in order to not install recommended packages by default) (Or sudo apt-get install --no-install-recommends), I end up with strange errors when firefox is run in terminal involving libbonoboui2-0 .. GTK warnings about files missing. [15:44] doing that does prevent me from getting ubufox which is a start. But does not seem to be a total fix. [15:44] does the warning cause any problem? [15:44] *causes [15:44] It hurts me psychologically. [15:44] :p [15:44] I don't know if it causes any real problems. [15:45] But to know it's going on back there.... every time you move to a different page.. [15:45] ask the ubuntu mozilla guys [15:45] here is a pastebin of errors I get ... [15:45] we can't really do anything [15:45] http://club-ubuntu.pastebin.com/d78bd090 [15:45] Those are errors I get running firefox in terminal after requesting that no recommended packages were installed. [15:47] according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonobo_(component_model) bonobo is a deprecated library for gnome, to integrate stuff(like the KDE Kparts) [15:47] so ignoring these warnings should be fine, but I'm not a firefox expert so I can't say for sure [15:47] yeah trying to install libbonobo2-0 just introduces more GNOME libs. [15:47] firefox should be DE agnostic though shouldn't it? [15:48] Kubuntu users should be able to use Firefox, I think. It's the best browser. === blizzzek is now known as blizzz [15:50] if it works without bonobo, then there's no problem [15:53] without bonobo gtk-qt-engine won't work [15:54] installing bonobo will install the following GNOME dependencies on Kubuntu -- http://club-ubuntu.pastebin.com/d50876a08 [15:55] ryanakca: did you bother to reply to the e-mail from "Paul Beckett"? [15:58] I'm very naive about these things, but as I see it, you all are very talented. You could make another package (say Kfirefox or another name) so that Kubuntu users could sudo aptitude install Kfirefox and get firefox that works nicely on Kubuntu :) [15:58] See what I'm saying? [15:59] that wouldn't be accepted, firefox is hard enough to maintain one copy of [16:00] better just to fix the problem if it annoys people [16:00] Riddell: Ill put a +1 on the annoyance list ;) [16:03] Riddell: I have an issue with kmix, look this please: [16:03] http://img49.imageshack.us/my.php?image=83247696de0.png [16:04] no volume control and in system settings -> sounds crash without log [16:04] but sounds works [16:05] is a know bug? [16:08] * Riddell in meetnig [16:47] lex79: I've not seen anything like that [16:49] Riddell: I found more information on the 30s slow kde4 boot [16:49] it is a deadlock occuring in khotkeys_update, that has been since fixed in kde trunk [16:49] * apachelogger is awfully tired [16:50] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=160892#c63 [16:50] KDE bug 160892 in general "Input Actions module in KDE4 broken?" [Normal,New] [16:50] I will try to apply the relevant patches [16:50] and see if it goes better [16:57] * jussi01 has a lovely freeze on coldboot here, hasnt yet figured out whats causing it.. [17:06] I am baking a trunk kmail [17:07] last time I did this it nuked my local cache and settings [17:07] lol [17:07] * jussi01 wishes apachelogger luck [17:07] * apachelogger thanks jussi01 [17:11] jtechidna: the bluetooth bug should have been reported upstream regardless of done communication [17:20] vvinet: good hunting, let me know if it helps === Czessi__ is now known as Czessi [17:37] omg [17:37] that new kmail [17:37] is UBERFANCY [17:43] ohh, it crashed and now the settings are gone [17:43] -.- [17:44] IoI === echidnaman is now known as JontheEchidna [17:46] * JontheEchidna wonders when KDE 4.1.73 is to be released [17:47] techbase will know [17:47] when dirk feels like it usually :) [17:49] apachelogger: can you explain me this error? [17:49] http://paste.ubuntu.com/70594/ [17:49] it is my mistake? [17:50] I have a direct link to google, I can answer anything [17:51] Riddell: that merging made a lot of stuff unusable [17:51] Riddell: libplasma-dev really needs to depend on kdelibs5-dev [17:51] lex79: you can add a build-dep for kdelibs5-dev for now, but that is really an issue with libplasma-dev IMHO [17:52] uhm [17:53] also libphon-dev [17:54] I thought we fixed that? [17:55] although [17:55] nah doesn't seem so [17:55] ScottK: is there a reason libphonon-dev didn't get readd as dep of kdelibs5-dev? [17:57] apachelogger: that's an issue with dh_sameversiondeps [17:57] apachelogger: there's a new version arriving when kdesdk compiles, hopefully shortly [17:57] then we can rebuild whatever needs those depends fixed and they ought to pick them up [17:59] ah, good [17:59] Riddell++ [18:01] * Riddell goes canoeing [18:01] have fun canoeing [18:02] hm [18:03] and who does koffice 2 beta3 meanwhile? :PÜ [18:05] apachelogger: Not that I know. I didn't drop it I don't think. [18:13] what is plasma-abi-4.1-1 ? is not there in repository? [18:15] ~wp application binary interface [18:15] Results for application binary interface: 1. Application binary interface: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Application_binary_interface | 2. Embedded Application Binary Interface: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embedded_Application_Binary_Interface | 3. Wikipedia: http://en.mobile.wikipedia.org/transcode.php?go=binary+compatible&PHPSESSID=784d0f226969efc643af3216891030ec [18:15] [1] In computer software, an application binary interface (ABI) describes the low-level interface between an application program and the operating system, or the interface between an application and its libraries, or that between component parts of an application. An ABI is similar to an application programming interface (API); however, the latter defines a source code interface.[1] Simply put, ABIs enable binary compatibilit... [18:16] lex79: why would it be in the repository? [18:18] because I build plasmoid-runcommand http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Run+Command?content=91495 [18:18] and ... [18:18] lex79: simply put: the ABI is part of libplasma [18:18] and it can not not be there [18:18] ah [18:19] http://paste.ubuntu.com/70604/ [18:21] Oo [18:21] ? [18:21] :) [18:21] lex79: might be related to the same issue that causes libphonon and stuff not to be detected properly [18:21] though [18:21] lex79: did you build that package in a jaunty pbuilder? [18:21] ya ya [18:22] * JontheEchidna is getting a bad feeling in the bottom of his pbuilder [18:22] it could be that that abi package is a virtual package introduced in jaunty [18:22] Debian introduced some abi control stuffs in their packages [18:22] yeah, makes sense [18:22] http://packages.debian.org/experimental/plasma-abi-4.1-1 [18:22] lex79: you will have to build in an intrepid pbuilder if you want to install it [18:23] I installed from source :) [18:23] I want put in revu :) [18:23] well [18:23] lex79: you can't install the jaunty package in intrepid [18:24] jaunty holds that plasma-abi virtual package to ensure abi gets tracked properly [18:24] intrepid does not even know about it [18:24] so either you get a jaunty VM, or install in a jaunty chroot or break the dependency [18:24] or you could upgrade to jaunty, but that would be insanity... as ScottK put it ;-) [18:25] You don't understand :) [18:25] I have Jaunty [18:25] I upgraded LoL [18:25] o.o [18:25] why in heavens name would you upgrade? [18:26] * JontheEchidna never upgrades until alpha2 at least [18:27] my jaunty is in a test partition :) [18:27] well, even that is too much :P [18:27] anywho [18:27] does anyone have a kdebase-workspace packaging at hand? [18:27] maybe we don't have the virtual package? [18:27] most of jaunty is still building [18:28] actually [18:28] lex79: that all seems pretty weird [18:28] weird? what? [18:28] shlibdeps wouldn't be able to detect the dep on that abi package unless it (or rather libplasma2, which provides that virtual package) is available [18:29] uhm ya [18:29] lex79: run a dist-upgrade [18:29] you probably have an old libplasma2 [18:29] I check it [18:30] 4.1.3-0ubuntu1~intrepid1 [18:30] is there a new version? [18:30] eh?????? [18:30] lex79: you didn't upgrade to jaunty [18:30] ~intrepid1 is the package from intrepid-backports [18:30] eh yes.. but I do dist-upgrade yesterday LoL [18:31] well, dist-upgrade != complete distribution upgrade ;-) [18:31] uh :( [18:31] lex79: just run your dsc through an intrepid pbuilder and you'll get a deb that is installable [18:32] debian has libplasma2 "Provides: ${plasma:abi-provides}" [18:32] stdin: jaunty probably as well [18:32] of course that doesn't help when one is using intrepid ;-) [18:32] and apachelogger can I put this package in revu? [18:32] lex79: the jaunty one [18:32] ok [18:32] * apachelogger is all confusing today [18:33] embarassing for my dist-upgrade [18:33] :D LoL [18:33] me too confusing ahahah [18:33] yeah, jaunty does [18:33] my workstation is running jaunty :P [18:33] "running" [18:33] * apachelogger fears upgrading [18:34] so my workstaion running janna jameson LoL [18:34] *jamson [18:34] https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/i386/libplasma2/4:4.1.2-1ubuntu4 told me [18:37] someone really needs to remove some tags from bugs.lp.net 99% of the https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/ is the tags list [18:38] one does not go to /ubuntu anyway :P [18:39] !bugs [18:39] If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu - Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots [18:40] everyone who sees ^ that does :p [18:41] Tags are sufficiently overused that they are, IMO, largely useless. [18:41] i have never looked up a bug by a tag, and dont ever use them [18:41] do many people who triag them use tags? [18:43] there are some use cases, but those tags probably make up <1% of all tags that are there [18:43] * JontheEchidna faceplams when people add the package name as a tag [18:43] I've only really seen apport-* and verification-* used [18:44] and by "used", I mean used for something other than random tagging [18:44] JontheEchidna: I can reproduce the thinking [18:44] malone should just be able to handle binary packages more precisely [18:45] yes, we shouldn't have to subscribe to all of jockey to get reports about jockey-kde [19:15] I'm updating my kde4-style-bespin package [19:15] and there's a kwin style in the svn now [19:15] should I name the binary package kwin4-style-bespin or kwin-style-bespin? [19:15] and should I renamed kde4-style-bespin to kde-style-bespin? [19:16] as long as kde3 and kde4 styles are co-installable I think the names should be separate [19:16] imo [19:16] not that you can really configure kde3 themes... [19:16] maybe we should drop them [19:16] sounds like a plan [19:17] Ok, so ktorrent from debian build-deps on libboost1.35-dev. This conflicts with kdepimlibs-dev which depends on libboost-dev (boost 1.34) [19:18] I am thinking kdepimlibs should be updated to build-dep on libboost1.35-dev and the dependency should not be added to ktorrent in the merge? [19:20] apachelogger: btw, sebner impressed me [19:21] now I have to clean that mess up :P [19:27] hmm, the package also contains a KDM theme [19:27] but there is no previous kdm theme packaged on Ubuntu(except kde-kdm-themes) [19:27] how should I name it? :) [19:28] kdm-theme-bespin? [19:29] or kde-style-bespin for consistency with kde-style-foo and kwin-style-foo? [19:29] s/or kde-style-bespin/or kdm-style-bespin/ [19:31] or even kdm4-style-bespin === blizzzky is now known as blizzz [19:35] apachelogger: I have this header license in all file [19:35] http://paste.ubuntu.com/70646/ [19:36] in /debian/copyright I put Karthik Paithankar to upstream author [19:36] and in copyright both authors? is right? [20:10] JontheEchidna: I helped him a bit, but yes all in all a pretty good review [20:11] smarter: consult with debian I'd say [20:16] apachelogger: actually I already changed it to kde :P [20:17] I guess it's also sort of weird because you're doing a review of a review [20:57] JontheEchidna: well, he isn't motu so reviewing the review seems natural to me ;-) [21:02] apachelogger: do you think rpath issues are what's cauing the neon incompatibilities I saw earlier on in the Intrepid cycle? [21:03] JontheEchidna: what incompability? [21:03] oh, if you had kde-neon installed you couldn't run qt apps [21:03] complained about incompatible Qt libs [21:03] no, that was a Qt caching issue [21:04] amarok-nightly-qt now uses a different version identification which should prevent such things [21:04] nice [21:04] maybe I should reinstall kde-nightly some time then [21:09] is there a global proxy setting in kubuntu that will work for adept? [21:09] and hai [21:11] vorian: no, adept uses the apt proxy setting, really freedesktop needs to find one way to do proxy config [21:11] hi ^seelenn^ [21:12] okie [21:14] grr, kdesdk still hasn't built === txwikinger2 is now known as txwikinger [21:15] <^seelenn^> Hi Riddell [21:16] * ^seelenn^ steps out of lurking mode [21:16] ooh, ^seelenn^ lives! [21:16] <^seelenn^> I was in the process of being given a coffee so wasn't looking at my screen [21:17] nobody to give me a coffee tonight, and the shop ran out of Irn Bru [21:17] * Nightrose hands Riddell a virtual coffee [21:17] ^seelenn^: are you using intrepid? [21:17] * Arby sends Riddell Irn-Bru over IP [21:18] hehe [21:18] <^seelenn^> Riddell: Yes I am [21:19] ^seelenn^: what's your opinion on KDE 4? [21:20] <^seelenn^> It gives me what I need and it's oh so very shiny! [21:20] yay, I was reading over https://wiki.kubuntu.org/IntrepidIbex/Final/Kubuntu/Feedback, not a single positive comment [21:20] heh [21:20] although those pages are always pretty negative, people with something to complain about tend to use them more than people who are happy [21:21] * Riddell wonders if seele gets a highlight whenever someone talks to ^seelenn^ [21:22] heh, that would be unfortunate [21:22] most of the feedback i got was very positive [21:22]