[12:03] <lool> mvo: Can't think of a reason not to build-dep on rarian-compat instead of scrollkeeper -- as long as the results are compatible with both implementations
[12:03] <lool> Both are in main
[12:22] <mvo> lool: thanks
[14:53] <ottoshmidt> is it possible to record from MIDI input in sound recorder on ubuntu 8.10?
[15:00]  * ArneGoetje waves
[15:05] <pitti> hey ArneGoetje
[16:00] <pitti> Keybuk, Riddell, ArneGoetje, mpt: half of the team is away, but let's have a quick meeting anyway
[16:01] <ArneGoetje> ok
[16:01] <Keybuk> indeed
[16:01] <Keybuk> where's Ken?
[16:01] <pitti> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2008-11-11
[16:01] <pitti> pretty boilerplate, too
[16:01] <pitti> Keybuk: is he still officially desktop team?
[16:01] <Keybuk> yes
[16:01] <Keybuk> this is Ken and MPT's last week
[16:02] <pitti> pinged
[16:02] <pitti> Riddell: there?
[16:02] <pitti> let's start with the outstanding actions
[16:03] <pitti>  * Martin to upload current PPA langpacks to hardy/intrepid-proposed
[16:03] <pitti> I actually did that, but removed them again, since they were still incomplete
[16:03] <Riddell> hi
[16:03] <pitti> I fixed langpack-o-matic to not produce broken KDE translations instead
[16:03] <pitti> and ArneGoetje is producing new packages as we speak, this time with complete KDE imports
[16:03] <pitti> so "delayed, but on track now"
[16:03] <Riddell> anything I can test?
[16:04] <pitti> PPA in a few hours, I suppose
[16:04] <pitti>  *     * Jonathan to track down who is working on bug #290695, set assignee, and clarify status
[16:05] <Riddell> turned out nobody was working on it
[16:05] <Riddell> I should probably assign to myself
[16:05] <pitti> Riddell: it doesn't really seem an RC bug to me; WDYT?
[16:05] <pitti> more like a cosmetical issue
[16:06] <Riddell> well it could do something nasty if you click on the field and accidently rename an important file, but it's not a security issue (you have to be root anyway for adept)
[16:06] <pitti> Riddell: so please feel free to drop the intrepid-updates milestone if it's not urgent
[16:06] <pitti> Riddell: oh, it's not just an UI glitch, you can actually rename the desktop files?
[16:06] <Riddell> rename the filesystem files
[16:07] <pitti> erg
[16:07] <Riddell> a built in feature of the widget being used that is not quite appropriate here
[16:07] <pitti> ok, I nominated for intrepid/jaunty
[16:07] <Riddell> I'll take a look at it for next week
[16:07] <pitti> let's hope that it's just a simple property change then :)
[16:07] <pitti> ok, thanks for the heads-up
[16:07] <Riddell> should be yes
[16:08] <pitti> merges seem to go well
[16:08] <pitti> intrepid-updates SRUs seem to stall a bit
[16:09] <pitti> but discussing that, and preparation of UDS/jaunty goals doesn't really make sense with just half of the team IMHO
[16:09] <pitti> anything on anybody's mind which we should discuss today?
[16:09] <ArneGoetje> not from me
[16:09] <Riddell> where's Ken going?
[16:11] <pitti> Keybuk: ^ ?
[16:11] <Keybuk> Ken and Michael will be moving to the new Visual/Creative Design team
[16:11] <Keybuk> that will be on Monday next week, so this is their last meeting with us
[16:11] <pitti> ITYM "Matthew"
[16:11] <Keybuk> I do mean Matthew
[16:11] <Keybuk> sorry MPT :)
[16:11] <Riddell> sounds exciting
[16:11] <Keybuk> and I guess now is as good a time as any
[16:11] <Keybuk> next week will be my last meeting with you
[16:12] <Riddell> aww
[16:12] <Keybuk> I head off on leave, and when I return (for UDS), my replacement will be already on board
[16:12] <Keybuk> we're throwing him somewhat into the deep end, as he starts, heads straight to the DX sprint, FOSScamp and then UDS
[16:12] <pitti> Keybuk: which city is it this time?
[16:13] <Keybuk> pitti: leave?  San Francisco
[16:13] <pitti> Keybuk: oh, Rick will be on the DX sprint, too?
[16:13] <Keybuk> pitti: apparently so
[16:13] <pitti> Keybuk: ah, so you arrive *very* early :)
[16:13] <pitti> Keybuk: don't forget about the flower
[16:13] <Riddell> what's the DX sprint?
[16:13] <Keybuk> Riddell: Desktop Experience tam
[16:13] <Keybuk> team, even
[16:13] <pitti> Riddell: desktop experience team
[16:14] <Keybuk> so as Martin says, the new guy's name is Rick
[16:15] <Keybuk> if you'd like to know more, ask me in private - since until he joins, it's not really appropriate to talk about him in public :-)
[16:15] <pitti> oh, sorry
[16:15] <Keybuk> pitti: I don't think his first name constitutes much, I was more thinking in terms of who he is, etc.
[16:17] <Keybuk> (that's it from me :p)
[16:17] <pitti> AOB?
[16:17] <ArneGoetje> not from me
[16:18] <pitti> okthxhappymergingbye
[16:18] <pitti> oh, just one thing
[16:19] <pitti> when you have a quiet moment, please collect some ideas about what you'd like to work on for jaunty
[16:19] <pitti> I think we should discuss UDS prep at length next week
[16:19] <pitti> while Keybuk is still there to provide some input as well :)
[16:25] <Keybuk> kwwii: you missed it
[16:26] <kwwii> Keybuk: sorry, I was at the store getting groceries, didn't notice the time
[16:26] <kwwii> must have been a quick one
[16:26] <Keybuk> it was
[16:26] <kwwii> did I miss anything important?
[16:27] <pitti> sending the notes to u-desktop@ now
[16:27] <pitti> kwwii: not really, half of the team is on holiday anyway
[16:27] <kwwii> cool
[16:27] <kwwii> sorry for missing it, I didn't forget the meeting, just what time it was
[16:32] <rlaager> pitti: Given you mentioned UDS... is anyone revisiting the replacing-Pidgin-with-Empathy idea for Jaunty?
[16:33] <pitti> rlaager: it's on my discussion list
[16:39] <rlaager> pitti: Okay. I'm certainly interested in providing whatever useful input I can. I'm an upstream Pidgin developer and will be at UDS this year. If you guys are going to switch to Empathy, I'm not going to fight it, because 1) I can easily install Pidgin anyway, and 2) I'm hoping that one day Empathy will be as good or better. Ground-up rewrites provide a lot of opportunity for fixing things. :)
[16:39] <mpt> Keybuk, sorry, I was busy with super sekrit discussions
[16:40] <pitti> rlaager: ah, looking forward to meeting you there
[16:41] <pitti> getting feedback from upstreams is one of the main reasons why we have UDSes in the first place :)
[16:41] <rlaager> pitti: Officially, my employer is sending me (and another co-worker). So, we're also looking to do a week of bug squashing. So, hopefully my list of reported bugs will get smaller rather than bigger, at least for a week. ;)