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aamachuHi10:56
persiahey10:56
aamachupersia: elkbuntu: lifeless: Hi10:56
elkbuntuhi10:56
aamachuHi everybody11:00
aamachuMaWaLe: are you there?11:00
aamachuand lifeless there11:01
aamachulifeless: are you there?11:02
henkjan!schedule11:02
ubottuUbuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases11:02
aamachupersia: elkbuntu: we need nod from lifeless to start11:02
aamachuand theMuso?11:02
aamachupersia: are you there? and elkbuntu?11:04
elkbuntuthemuso doesnt seem to have been online in days11:04
persiaI'm here.11:04
aamachuelkbuntu: Oh ho!11:04
aamachuwe need lifeless atleast and belutz and zakame missing as usual11:05
elkbuntusigh.11:05
aamachuand MaWaLe: are you there?11:05
elkbuntuseemingly not, so no real loss so far11:06
aamachulets wait for both :-)11:07
aamachuelkbuntu: persia: anything else interesting to share?11:07
aamachunext week we will be taking this to Community Council11:07
persiaNot especially.  I'm starting to look forward to the new times.11:08
persia(if approved)11:08
lifelesshi11:08
lifelessI am11:08
elkbuntuaamachu, heard any from the long-lost members?11:08
aamachulong-lost members? I couldn't get what you mean by that11:09
aamachuhey lifeless Welcome :-)11:09
aamachupersia: Ok..11:10
aamachuMaWaLe: are you there?11:10
MaWaLeyup11:10
MaWaLehi folks :)11:10
MaWaLeyup11:10
persiaaamachu, Those members of the board who are rarely present.11:10
lifelessif I had a long lost member, I suspect my fiance would complain11:11
aamachupersia: got it.. not from zakame11:11
* persia is *definitely* looking forward to adjusted meeting times11:11
aamachuHi MaWaLe!11:11
aamachuGlad to see you here back.11:11
aamachuPlease go ahead presenting yourself and your contributions to Ubuntu11:12
MaWaLeyes i'm here since long time11:12
aamachuPlease go ahead11:13
elkbuntuwe do need a bit more than that.11:13
aamachuelkbuntu: means?11:14
elkbuntuaamachu, we need a bit more than 'here since long time'11:14
aamachuelkbuntu: is puzzling me today :-)11:14
elkbuntuaamachu, i puzzle myself every day.11:14
aamachuMaWaLe: Can you begin11:15
elkbuntuMaWaLe, start off with your wiki and launchpad pages maybe?11:15
MaWaLeaamachu: can u read my posts please ???11:18
MaWaLehi folks :)11:18
MaWaLethanks11:18
MaWaLeokay11:18
MaWaLeI'm Wajih from tunisia11:18
MaWaLe           i'm an IT manager in a governmental Organism and SENIOR consultant.11:20
MaWaLeI am also a manager of a start-up which works hardly to became a Canonical exclusive partner in tunisia to promote and maintain Ubuntu here.11:20
MaWaLeI'm an exclusive user of Linux since 18 years, a Red Hat contributer since 6 years and ubuntu user since Breezy release.11:20
MaWaLeMember of Ubuntu-tn since his approval11:20
MaWaLeMember of the Web&Tech sub-team which is in charge of administrating the official site and forum of the community. In this team I actively participate in configuring and maintaining the server and in the redaction of the content of the site and its implementation.11:20
MaWaLeIn the last meeting of the Management committee, I was elected as a coordinator of the Redaction Group.11:21
MaWaLeI actively participate in the activities of the tunisian team.11:21
MaWaLei actively participate to promote Ubuntu in the professional sector like mentioned in my WiKi page11:21
MaWaLeI try to be present as more as possible in ubuntu-tn irc channel and on the ML, to assist or help Tunisian users11:21
MaWaLeI contribute in writing documents and some WiKi pages11:21
elkbuntuMaWaLe, can you explain the management committee and redaction groups to us?11:21
MaWaLeThis Saturday, I plan to take part (With Rafik who's an ubuntu member) to a conf'day in some universities at Sfax. I plan to animate many workshops (Ubuntu installation and upgrading, Install-party, Virtualisation, Ubuntu ME...)11:22
MaWaLeit's done :any questions11:22
MaWaLesorry but i poasted the presentation :-/11:22
MaWaLei'll repost-it11:22
aamachuMaWaLe: What do you mean by professional sector?11:22
elkbuntu...11:23
MaWaLethe redaction group coordinates the efforts of all the members of the team for the redaction of media and contentsactually : the redaction team focalise on the content of the site web of the Tunisian Team11:23
MaWaLeactually : the redaction team focalise on the content of the site web of the Tunisian Team11:25
MaWaLesorry : i think that i have a little problem with pidgin11:25
MaWaLedo you read my posts?11:25
persiaWe do.11:25
persiaDo you see our questions?11:25
MaWaLethanks for the reply11:25
MaWaLeyes and i reply on all of it11:26
MaWaLeeither for the presentation11:26
aamachuMaWaLe: are the links to documents you have contributed11:26
aamachuare there links to documents you have contributed11:26
MaWaLethe wiki pages of the tunisian team11:27
MaWaLeand the content of the site which is under construction11:28
MaWaLeand some docs shared under googledoc11:28
MaWaLehttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/TunisianTeam11:29
MaWaLeand its sub-pages11:29
elkbuntuMaWaLe, so ubuntu-tn is all only in planning yet, apart from 2 installfests and sfd?11:30
MaWaLebut for the docs shared with googledoc, i'm sorry but there is no links11:30
MaWaLemaybe if Rafik was here he can confirm me tolds11:30
aamachuMaWaLe: are you there?11:30
aamachu MaWaLe: What do you mean by professional sector?11:30
* elkbuntu hands aamachu a voucher for One Free Internet.11:31
MaWaLei'm an expert in Linux (a professional consultant)11:31
MaWaLeso i contribute on the professionnal plan to promote the use of Ubunt11:31
MaWaLeelkbuntu: i'm tryings to contribute with the french community. there is a twinning project with the ubuntu-fr11:32
elkbuntuMaWaLe, from what i've read, you're off to a good start. However alot of this seems to be in the planning stage still, and I'd like to see some actual results to compliment the installfests.11:33
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aamachulifeless: questions?11:33
MaWaLethere is a pic album on picasa11:33
MaWaLebut i lost the link11:33
MaWaLeif you'll be pleasant to give me one moment i'll ask for the link11:34
lifelesshmm11:34
persiaMaWaLe, You do seem to have been doing a bit, but it's not easily trackable.  You'd probably do well to get more of what you've done complete and linked from your wiki page.11:34
MaWaLei know and i was said that by Rafik and Nizarus which is two ubuntu members of our team11:35
Rafikhello all11:35
lifelessI'm with persia here11:35
Rafiksorry to be late11:35
aamachuMaWaLe: I was asking about documents you have contributed11:36
elkbuntuRafik, am i correct in what i've deduced from the wikipages, that alot of ubuntu-tn is in early planning stages still?11:36
MaWaLehttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/TunisianTeam and it's sub-pages11:37
MaWaLehttp://radestn.homelinux.org/ and its subpages11:37
aamachuTunisian Team is four months, since it got approved right?11:38
MaWaLeand some docs shared on googledoc11:38
MaWaLesince July11:38
Rafikelkbuntu: the items you see are listed as examples. may be a better list of event before July 2008 is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TunisianTeam/ApprovalApplication11:38
aamachuRafik: Hi11:38
Rafikelkbuntu: and there was also 2 or 3 real-life events since the approval11:38
Rafikaamachu: hello :)11:39
MaWaLecan i dispose for 5 minutes please : phone?11:40
elkbuntuMaWaLe, sure.11:40
Rafikelkbuntu: MaWale showed up after the team approval. He was a good element when preparing the very successful participation of our team at sfd'0811:40
nizarusaamachu: right we have 4 monthes since approval11:40
MaWaLethanks :)11:40
elkbuntuRafik, i'm personally at a loss to what mawale has done. Does it go beyond attending events and a few documents? what did he do to help preparations for sfd?11:41
Rafikelkbuntu: MaWaLe is present and participating to what we do in the team. as he said, he is a good contributor in our work groups11:43
elkbuntuRafik, what we're looking for is results. his word needs evidence.11:43
aamachu// in my work, i am doing consulting task which always leads to the migration of customers to Ubuntu //11:44
aamachuIs it the DevAgora that you are mentioning here?11:44
Rafikelkbuntu: I know and I can't point you to an exact page saying : he wrote it.11:44
elkbuntuRafik, his wikipage? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Wajih11:45
Rafikelkbuntu: he is also my second in coordinating the redaction work group where we work on the wiki pages, and some articles, all in group.11:45
Rafikelkbuntu: :-)11:45
elkbuntuRafik, i've read the wikipage, and it does not convince me, unfortunately11:45
aamachuRafik: but don't you thing pointing exactly to evidences of activities is only going to help MaWale11:46
elkbuntuRafik, all i can see is him saying he attended 3 events, photos at said events, and some editing of a handful of wikipages. I have nothing more to go with.11:46
MaWaLei'm back : sorry for the delay11:47
aamachu// i am doing consulting task which always leads to the migration of customers to Ubuntu // --> Was searching for evidence and linked with the Testimonials at last.. MaWaLe: is it what you are referring to?11:47
Rafikaamachu: elkbuntu: I can understand. His contributions are not so visible until now. It's up to you.11:48
MaWaLeyes aamachu11:49
persiaBased on that, I'm definitely going to say I'd like to see some visible contributions.  The work to date sounds good, but it's just not in a form we can judge.11:49
aamachuMaWaLe: the wiki made it a tough task..11:50
Rafikpersia: you are right, be sure MaWaLe will be a good member in the future. We are starting some projects in witch he will be very involved11:50
elkbuntuRafik, i'm not even seeing his wiki editing in the MoinMoin revisions. he's edited the main page 1 out of 83 edits, for example.11:51
aamachuRafik: promising start..11:51
aamachupersia: elkbuntu: lifeless: shall we take voting11:52
elkbuntuaamachu, +0, will review if more visible activity can be shown at a later date.11:52
persia+0 from me.  Excellent start.  Needs documentation.11:52
elkbuntuaamachu, did you get my email of the meeting log to fill in the gaps?11:53
aamachuyes11:53
elkbuntulifeless, your vote?11:56
lifeless+011:56
aamachu1Hi11:57
elkbuntuaamachu, everyone else has voted.11:58
aamachu1just connected back after disconnection..11:58
aamachu1I too would like to say the same..11:58
aamachu1+011:58
aamachu1it was a difficult decision, with good testimonials and Rafik's presence here11:59
Rafikaamachu1: I would gave +0 too11:59
MaWaLeRafik: :p12:00
Rafik:p12:00
aamachu1MaWaLe: Best wishes. And please keep track of all that you contribute12:00
MaWaLei'll do my best and thanks for all of you12:00
elkbuntuMaWaLe, if you're a long time expert, helping in the answers on launchpad is always useful, too :)12:01
aamachu1I feel that would have made it for you today itself12:01
persiaGood luck MaWaLe.  Hope to see you back soon.12:01
aamachu1MaWaLe: All the best! Keep contributing and looking forward to see you soon12:02
MaWaLebut i contributed (modestly) on launchpad :)12:03
MaWaLethanks aamachu112:03
aamachu1persia: elkbuntu: lifeless: anything you wish to discuss?12:03
MaWaLeit was a pleasure to be here today :)12:03
lifelessaamachu1: no, I'm fine, I voted +0 above12:03
elkbuntuMaWaLe, it was nice meeting you, hopefully next time will be better :)12:03
lifelessaamachu1: I think you were disconnected or something12:03
MaWaLethanks elkbuntu : i'll be back soon :d12:04
persiaI'm good for today.  See you next week.12:05
aamachu1lifeless: yes. Was disconnected for few seconds12:06
aamachu1fine then.. Thank you all for participating..12:06
aamachu1Next meeting date and time will be announced after the Community Council meeting next week :-)12:06
aamachu1Good Bye!12:07
RafikThanks all :)12:07
elkbuntuwell, Amachu is all disconnected, so i guess the meeting is over :P12:09
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nijaba@schedule15:43
ubottuSchedule for Etc/UTC: 11 Nov 16:00: Server Team | 11 Nov 17:00: Kernel Team | 12 Nov 17:00: QA Team | 12 Nov 22:00: Platform Team | 13 Nov 12:00: Ubuntu Mobile Team | 13 Nov 13:00: Desktop Team15:43
nijaba@now15:43
ubottuCurrent time in Etc/UTC: November 11 2008, 15:43:33 - Next meeting: Server Team in 16 minutes15:43
gravity1187@now15:48
ubottuCurrent time in Etc/UTC: November 11 2008, 15:48:39 - Next meeting: Server Team in 11 minutes15:48
=== ubottu changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Current meeting: Server Team Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 11 Nov 17:00: Kernel Team | 12 Nov 17:00: QA Team | 12 Nov 22:00: Platform Team | 13 Nov 12:00: Ubuntu Mobile Team | 13 Nov 13:00: Desktop Team
nijabao/15:58
sommerhello everyone15:59
* mathiaz waves15:59
mathiazanyone else around for the server team meeting?16:01
gravity1187I16:01
zulhi16:02
mathiazok - let's get this started16:02
mathiaz#startmeeting16:02
MootBotMeeting started at 10:02. The chair is mathiaz.16:02
MootBotCommands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]16:02
mathiazToday extermely important agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting16:03
mathiazlast week minutes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/Server/2008110416:04
mathiaz[TOPIC] Server FAQ16:04
MootBotNew Topic:  Server FAQ16:04
mathiaznijaba: sommer: ??16:04
sommermathiaz: I made some updates last night, but there's a few left16:04
nijabamathiaz: I have not been able to work on this during the past week16:04
mathiazsommer: great.16:05
mathiazI haven't update the roadmap16:05
mathiazI'll do that later today.16:05
mathiazkirkland: did you get a chance to review the RAID section?16:06
mathiaz[ACTION] mathiaz to add a section about updating the ServerFAQ to the Roadmap16:06
MootBotACTION received:  mathiaz to add a section about updating the ServerFAQ to the Roadmap16:06
kirklandmathiaz: i did about a month ago, with sommer16:06
mathiazkirkland: hm - I'm refering to the Server FAQ16:06
kirklandmathiaz: oh, the ServerFAQ ... no16:06
kirklandmathiaz: busy week, sprinting, etc.16:07
mathiaz[ACTION] kirkland to review the RAID related questions16:07
MootBotACTION received:  kirkland to review the RAID related questions16:07
mathiazkirkland: ok16:07
mathiazsommer: how many questions are left to be reviewed?16:07
sommermathiaz: maybe 3-4, and then add the new ones... so maybe 8 totoal16:07
sommeror there abouts16:07
mathiazok - are these questions marked somehow to be reviewed?16:08
nijabamathiaz: yes, I marked them up16:08
mathiazok16:09
mathiazanything else on the Server FAQ subject?16:09
sommerdon't think so16:09
mathiazok - that's all from last week minutes.16:10
mathiaz[TOPIC] Get rid of old libdb versions16:10
MootBotNew Topic:  Get rid of old libdb versions16:10
mathiazScottK started to look into that task during hardy.16:11
mathiazIt seems that there is still some work to be done, but the list of packages to be updated needs to be updated firs.t16:11
mathiazzul: do you know the status of this migration^^?16:13
zulmathiaz:I think most of them are done already openldap is a different case16:14
mathiazzul: correct - openldap is trickier. I'll look into that issue once I update openldap to 2.4.12.16:15
zulthe list definently needs to be updated though16:15
mathiazzul: could you go over the list of packages in the roadmap and update it?16:15
zulmathiaz: yep16:16
mathiaz[ACTION] zul to update the list of packages depending on libdb.16:16
MootBotACTION received:  zul to update the list of packages depending on libdb.16:16
mathiaz[TOPIC] Add augeas lenses16:17
MootBotNew Topic:  Add augeas lenses16:17
mathiaznxvl: ^^?16:17
nxvl\o/16:18
nxvlok16:18
nxvlwe have come to a good state of the lenses16:18
nxvlwe have a bunch, raphink has been closely working with upstream for this16:18
nxvlalso upstream is going very well16:18
nxvlthis summer (south american here!) i will have planty of time for doing that16:19
nxvlso i hope to have the whole set of needed lenses for feature freeze16:19
nxvland as always help is really welcomed16:19
mathiaznxvl: is the list of lenses to create up-to-date on the wiki page?16:19
nxvlis not hard to write those16:19
nxvlyep16:19
nxvllet me grab the link16:19
nxvlhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuCentralizedServiceAdministrator/Augeas16:20
nxvlactually the tracking of the upstream lenses list is being done by me on tha wiki page AFAIR16:20
mathiazok - so work to create more lenses will continue during this release cycle16:20
nxvli updates that 2 weeks ago and there are no new lenses that i'm aware of16:20
nxvlmathiaz: yes16:20
mathiaznxvl: great. Thanks for tracking this task!16:21
nxvlmathiaz: an hopefully finished soon16:21
mathiaz[TOPIC] Update ServerGuide for Jaunty16:21
MootBotNew Topic:  Update ServerGuide for Jaunty16:21
mathiazsommer: I've updated the roadmap with a link to a spec16:21
mathiazsommer: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyServerGuide16:21
mathiazsommer: however that wiki page ^^ doesn't exist yet16:22
sommermathiaz: cool, I can create that based on some things that didn't get into the Intrepid guide16:22
mathiazsommer: do you have ideas/plans for the Server Guide in Jaunty?16:22
sommermathiaz: a few, and I think there are more in the server team idea pool page16:22
mathiazsommer: great - could you start to move them to the wiki page?16:23
sommermathiaz: sure will do16:23
mathiazsommer: so that we can get an overview for the work to be done for Jaunty16:23
mathiaz[ACTION] sommer to create a spec for the ServerGuide update in Jaunty16:23
MootBotACTION received:  sommer to create a spec for the ServerGuide update in Jaunty16:23
kwwiierm16:23
kwwiisorry16:23
mathiazsommer: any news on when the server guide for 8.10 will be put on help.u.c ?16:24
sommermathiaz: not entirely sure, but I think mdke replied to a bug saying that the files were ready and waiting to be moved to the live server16:25
mathiazsommer: ok.16:25
mathiazanything else related to the server guide in Jaunty?16:25
sommerI think that's all16:26
mathiazok.16:26
mathiaz[TOPIC] Merges16:26
MootBotNew Topic:  Merges16:26
mathiazAs you may have noticed, the archive is open for jaunty16:26
mathiazso it's mergin time again16:27
mathiazI'll prepare a list of "easy" merges again16:27
mathiazas usual follow the Merging guidelines16:28
mathiazoutlined on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/Merging16:28
mathiazwell - that's all I have on the Roadmap16:29
mathiazhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Roadmap16:29
mathiazanyone wants to add anything related to items on the Roadmap?16:30
kirklandwhen doing merges, perhaps check if the package has an init script, see if it has a status action ;-)16:30
kirklandand add one during the merge, if it doesn't ;-)16:30
mathiazif not - just ping kirkland - he will be glad to add one for you ;)16:30
mathiazkirkland: what's the wiki page used to track the status action?16:31
mathiazkirkland: IIRC there are some intructions there on how to add a status action to init scripts16:32
nxvli think kirkland had a wiki page were it was explained how to add one16:32
kirklandmathiaz: that page needs an update for Jaunty16:32
nxvland it's really easy AFAIR16:32
kirklandhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/InitScriptStatusActions16:32
kirklandyou can also run: "service --status-all" on your system16:32
kirklandand see what init scripts are missing status actions16:33
mathiazkirkland: what needs to be updated?16:33
mathiazkirkland: the list of packages?16:33
zulkirkland: is it just for packages in main that you are going to do the init script stuff or for universe as well?16:33
kirklandmathiaz: i need to crossref that wiki page, and ensure it's accurate for Jaunty16:33
kirklandzul: both;  main with more emphasis, I'd think16:34
zulkirkland: ok16:34
kirklandzul: but i'm happy to review/sponsor universe fixes myself16:34
mathiaz[ACTION] kirkland to update the init status action wiki page16:34
MootBotACTION received:  kirkland to update the init status action wiki page16:34
mathiazkirkland: I think packages marked as FIXED can be removed from the wiki page16:35
kirklandmathiaz: okay16:35
kirklandmathiaz: actually, it helps point to other scripts that you can emulate16:35
mathiazkirkland: good point. May be moving them a different section then16:36
mathiazkirkland: like - some examples:16:36
kirklandmathiaz: sounds good!16:36
mathiazkirkland: thanks for keeping track of this!16:36
mathiaz[TOPIC] Open Discussion16:37
MootBotNew Topic:  Open Discussion16:37
mathiazsomething new and interesting to say?16:37
nijabayes, the surver survey is closing on the 15th16:37
nijabaif anyone want to blog about last chance to take the survey, feel free16:38
kirklandmathiaz: i'm running with my entire home directory encrypted, using the same code used for Encrypted ~/Private16:38
kirklandmathiaz: :-)16:38
kirklandmathiaz: i'm working on the bootstrapping to get this working in Jaunty16:38
mathiazthe survey url is: http://survey.ubuntu.com/16:38
mathiazkirkland: awesome.16:39
mathiazkirkland: do you have a spec written for?16:39
nealmcb1nijaba: how many responses on the survey now?16:43
mathiazallright - anything else?16:43
nijabamathiaz: about 4000+16:43
mathiaznealmcb1: ^^16:43
nealmcb1cool16:43
mathiazallright - time to wrap up I guess16:45
mathiaz[TOPIC] Agree on next meeting date and time.16:45
MootBotNew Topic:  Agree on next meeting date and time.16:45
mathiaznext week, same time, same place?16:45
nijabanealmcb1: 6777 responses for this survey (4105 full responses, 2672 responses not completely filled out)  to be precise16:46
kirklando/16:46
zulnijaba: neat16:46
* nijaba may not be available next week, but will try his best16:46
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mathiazok - great then.16:48
mathiazSee you all next week, same place, same time16:48
mathiazand happy mergin' till then!16:48
mathiaz#endmeeting16:48
MootBotMeeting finished at 10:48.16:48
nijabathanks a lot mathiaz16:49
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