=== asac_ is now known as asac === txwikinger2 is now known as txwikinger === txwikinger2 is now known as txwikinger === txwikinger2 is now known as txwikinger === RoAkSoAx_ is now known as RoAkSoAx === maxb_ is now known as Guest77142 === Guest77142 is now known as maxb === lifeless_ is now known as lifeless [10:56] Hi [10:56] hey [10:56] persia: elkbuntu: lifeless: Hi [10:56] hi [11:00] Hi everybody [11:00] MaWaLe: are you there? [11:01] and lifeless there [11:02] lifeless: are you there? [11:02] !schedule [11:02] Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases [11:02] persia: elkbuntu: we need nod from lifeless to start [11:02] and theMuso? [11:04] persia: are you there? and elkbuntu? [11:04] themuso doesnt seem to have been online in days [11:04] I'm here. [11:04] elkbuntu: Oh ho! [11:05] we need lifeless atleast and belutz and zakame missing as usual [11:05] sigh. [11:05] and MaWaLe: are you there? [11:06] seemingly not, so no real loss so far [11:07] lets wait for both :-) [11:07] elkbuntu: persia: anything else interesting to share? [11:07] next week we will be taking this to Community Council [11:08] Not especially. I'm starting to look forward to the new times. [11:08] (if approved) [11:08] hi [11:08] I am [11:08] aamachu, heard any from the long-lost members? [11:09] long-lost members? I couldn't get what you mean by that [11:09] hey lifeless Welcome :-) [11:10] persia: Ok.. [11:10] MaWaLe: are you there? [11:10] yup [11:10] hi folks :) [11:10] yup [11:10] aamachu, Those members of the board who are rarely present. [11:11] if I had a long lost member, I suspect my fiance would complain [11:11] persia: got it.. not from zakame [11:11] * persia is *definitely* looking forward to adjusted meeting times [11:11] Hi MaWaLe! [11:11] Glad to see you here back. [11:12] Please go ahead presenting yourself and your contributions to Ubuntu [11:12] yes i'm here since long time [11:13] Please go ahead [11:13] we do need a bit more than that. [11:14] elkbuntu: means? [11:14] aamachu, we need a bit more than 'here since long time' [11:14] elkbuntu: is puzzling me today :-) [11:14] aamachu, i puzzle myself every day. [11:15] MaWaLe: Can you begin [11:15] MaWaLe, start off with your wiki and launchpad pages maybe? [11:18] aamachu: can u read my posts please ??? [11:18] hi folks :) [11:18] thanks [11:18] okay [11:18] I'm Wajih from tunisia [11:20] i'm an IT manager in a governmental Organism and SENIOR consultant. [11:20] I am also a manager of a start-up which works hardly to became a Canonical exclusive partner in tunisia to promote and maintain Ubuntu here. [11:20] I'm an exclusive user of Linux since 18 years, a Red Hat contributer since 6 years and ubuntu user since Breezy release. [11:20] Member of Ubuntu-tn since his approval [11:20] Member of the Web&Tech sub-team which is in charge of administrating the official site and forum of the community. In this team I actively participate in configuring and maintaining the server and in the redaction of the content of the site and its implementation. [11:21] In the last meeting of the Management committee, I was elected as a coordinator of the Redaction Group. [11:21] I actively participate in the activities of the tunisian team. [11:21] i actively participate to promote Ubuntu in the professional sector like mentioned in my WiKi page [11:21] I try to be present as more as possible in ubuntu-tn irc channel and on the ML, to assist or help Tunisian users [11:21] I contribute in writing documents and some WiKi pages [11:21] MaWaLe, can you explain the management committee and redaction groups to us? [11:22] This Saturday, I plan to take part (With Rafik who's an ubuntu member) to a conf'day in some universities at Sfax. I plan to animate many workshops (Ubuntu installation and upgrading, Install-party, Virtualisation, Ubuntu ME...) [11:22] it's done :any questions [11:22] sorry but i poasted the presentation :-/ [11:22] i'll repost-it [11:22] MaWaLe: What do you mean by professional sector? [11:23] ... [11:23] the redaction group coordinates the efforts of all the members of the team for the redaction of media and contentsactually : the redaction team focalise on the content of the site web of the Tunisian Team [11:25] actually : the redaction team focalise on the content of the site web of the Tunisian Team [11:25] sorry : i think that i have a little problem with pidgin [11:25] do you read my posts? [11:25] We do. [11:25] Do you see our questions? [11:25] thanks for the reply [11:26] yes and i reply on all of it [11:26] either for the presentation [11:26] MaWaLe: are the links to documents you have contributed [11:26] are there links to documents you have contributed [11:27] the wiki pages of the tunisian team [11:28] and the content of the site which is under construction [11:28] and some docs shared under googledoc [11:29] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TunisianTeam [11:29] and its sub-pages [11:30] MaWaLe, so ubuntu-tn is all only in planning yet, apart from 2 installfests and sfd? [11:30] but for the docs shared with googledoc, i'm sorry but there is no links [11:30] maybe if Rafik was here he can confirm me tolds [11:30] MaWaLe: are you there? [11:30] MaWaLe: What do you mean by professional sector? [11:31] * elkbuntu hands aamachu a voucher for One Free Internet. [11:31] i'm an expert in Linux (a professional consultant) [11:31] so i contribute on the professionnal plan to promote the use of Ubunt [11:32] elkbuntu: i'm tryings to contribute with the french community. there is a twinning project with the ubuntu-fr [11:33] MaWaLe, from what i've read, you're off to a good start. However alot of this seems to be in the planning stage still, and I'd like to see some actual results to compliment the installfests. === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach [11:33] lifeless: questions? [11:33] there is a pic album on picasa [11:33] but i lost the link [11:34] if you'll be pleasant to give me one moment i'll ask for the link [11:34] hmm [11:34] MaWaLe, You do seem to have been doing a bit, but it's not easily trackable. You'd probably do well to get more of what you've done complete and linked from your wiki page. [11:35] i know and i was said that by Rafik and Nizarus which is two ubuntu members of our team [11:35] hello all [11:35] I'm with persia here [11:35] sorry to be late [11:36] MaWaLe: I was asking about documents you have contributed [11:36] Rafik, am i correct in what i've deduced from the wikipages, that alot of ubuntu-tn is in early planning stages still? [11:37] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TunisianTeam and it's sub-pages [11:37] http://radestn.homelinux.org/ and its subpages [11:38] Tunisian Team is four months, since it got approved right? [11:38] and some docs shared on googledoc [11:38] since July [11:38] elkbuntu: the items you see are listed as examples. may be a better list of event before July 2008 is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TunisianTeam/ApprovalApplication [11:38] Rafik: Hi [11:38] elkbuntu: and there was also 2 or 3 real-life events since the approval [11:39] aamachu: hello :) [11:40] can i dispose for 5 minutes please : phone? [11:40] MaWaLe, sure. [11:40] elkbuntu: MaWale showed up after the team approval. He was a good element when preparing the very successful participation of our team at sfd'08 [11:40] aamachu: right we have 4 monthes since approval [11:40] thanks :) [11:41] Rafik, i'm personally at a loss to what mawale has done. Does it go beyond attending events and a few documents? what did he do to help preparations for sfd? [11:43] elkbuntu: MaWaLe is present and participating to what we do in the team. as he said, he is a good contributor in our work groups [11:43] Rafik, what we're looking for is results. his word needs evidence. [11:44] // in my work, i am doing consulting task which always leads to the migration of customers to Ubuntu // [11:44] Is it the DevAgora that you are mentioning here? [11:44] elkbuntu: I know and I can't point you to an exact page saying : he wrote it. [11:45] Rafik, his wikipage? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Wajih [11:45] elkbuntu: he is also my second in coordinating the redaction work group where we work on the wiki pages, and some articles, all in group. [11:45] elkbuntu: :-) [11:45] Rafik, i've read the wikipage, and it does not convince me, unfortunately [11:46] Rafik: but don't you thing pointing exactly to evidences of activities is only going to help MaWale [11:46] Rafik, all i can see is him saying he attended 3 events, photos at said events, and some editing of a handful of wikipages. I have nothing more to go with. [11:47] i'm back : sorry for the delay [11:47] // i am doing consulting task which always leads to the migration of customers to Ubuntu // --> Was searching for evidence and linked with the Testimonials at last.. MaWaLe: is it what you are referring to? [11:48] aamachu: elkbuntu: I can understand. His contributions are not so visible until now. It's up to you. [11:49] yes aamachu [11:49] Based on that, I'm definitely going to say I'd like to see some visible contributions. The work to date sounds good, but it's just not in a form we can judge. [11:50] MaWaLe: the wiki made it a tough task.. [11:50] persia: you are right, be sure MaWaLe will be a good member in the future. We are starting some projects in witch he will be very involved [11:51] Rafik, i'm not even seeing his wiki editing in the MoinMoin revisions. he's edited the main page 1 out of 83 edits, for example. [11:51] Rafik: promising start.. [11:52] persia: elkbuntu: lifeless: shall we take voting [11:52] aamachu, +0, will review if more visible activity can be shown at a later date. [11:52] +0 from me. Excellent start. Needs documentation. [11:53] aamachu, did you get my email of the meeting log to fill in the gaps? [11:53] yes [11:56] lifeless, your vote? [11:56] +0 [11:57] Hi [11:58] aamachu, everyone else has voted. [11:58] just connected back after disconnection.. [11:58] I too would like to say the same.. [11:58] +0 [11:59] it was a difficult decision, with good testimonials and Rafik's presence here [11:59] aamachu1: I would gave +0 too [12:00] Rafik: :p [12:00] :p [12:00] MaWaLe: Best wishes. And please keep track of all that you contribute [12:00] i'll do my best and thanks for all of you [12:01] MaWaLe, if you're a long time expert, helping in the answers on launchpad is always useful, too :) [12:01] I feel that would have made it for you today itself [12:01] Good luck MaWaLe. Hope to see you back soon. [12:02] MaWaLe: All the best! Keep contributing and looking forward to see you soon [12:03] but i contributed (modestly) on launchpad :) [12:03] thanks aamachu1 [12:03] persia: elkbuntu: lifeless: anything you wish to discuss? [12:03] it was a pleasure to be here today :) [12:03] aamachu1: no, I'm fine, I voted +0 above [12:03] MaWaLe, it was nice meeting you, hopefully next time will be better :) [12:03] aamachu1: I think you were disconnected or something [12:04] thanks elkbuntu : i'll be back soon :d [12:05] I'm good for today. See you next week. [12:06] lifeless: yes. Was disconnected for few seconds [12:06] fine then.. Thank you all for participating.. [12:06] Next meeting date and time will be announced after the Community Council meeting next week :-) [12:07] Good Bye! [12:07] Thanks all :) [12:09] well, Amachu is all disconnected, so i guess the meeting is over :P === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach === txwikinger2 is now known as txwikinger [15:43] @schedule [15:43] Schedule for Etc/UTC: 11 Nov 16:00: Server Team | 11 Nov 17:00: Kernel Team | 12 Nov 17:00: QA Team | 12 Nov 22:00: Platform Team | 13 Nov 12:00: Ubuntu Mobile Team | 13 Nov 13:00: Desktop Team [15:43] @now [15:43] Current time in Etc/UTC: November 11 2008, 15:43:33 - Next meeting: Server Team in 16 minutes [15:48] @now [15:48] Current time in Etc/UTC: November 11 2008, 15:48:39 - Next meeting: Server Team in 11 minutes === ubottu changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Current meeting: Server Team Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 11 Nov 17:00: Kernel Team | 12 Nov 17:00: QA Team | 12 Nov 22:00: Platform Team | 13 Nov 12:00: Ubuntu Mobile Team | 13 Nov 13:00: Desktop Team [15:58] o/ [15:59] hello everyone [15:59] * mathiaz waves [16:01] anyone else around for the server team meeting? [16:01] I [16:02] hi [16:02] ok - let's get this started [16:02] #startmeeting [16:02] Meeting started at 10:02. The chair is mathiaz. [16:02] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [16:03] Today extermely important agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting [16:04] last week minutes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/Server/20081104 [16:04] [TOPIC] Server FAQ [16:04] New Topic: Server FAQ [16:04] nijaba: sommer: ?? [16:04] mathiaz: I made some updates last night, but there's a few left [16:04] mathiaz: I have not been able to work on this during the past week [16:05] sommer: great. [16:05] I haven't update the roadmap [16:05] I'll do that later today. [16:06] kirkland: did you get a chance to review the RAID section? [16:06] [ACTION] mathiaz to add a section about updating the ServerFAQ to the Roadmap [16:06] ACTION received: mathiaz to add a section about updating the ServerFAQ to the Roadmap [16:06] mathiaz: i did about a month ago, with sommer [16:06] kirkland: hm - I'm refering to the Server FAQ [16:06] mathiaz: oh, the ServerFAQ ... no [16:07] mathiaz: busy week, sprinting, etc. [16:07] [ACTION] kirkland to review the RAID related questions [16:07] ACTION received: kirkland to review the RAID related questions [16:07] kirkland: ok [16:07] sommer: how many questions are left to be reviewed? [16:07] mathiaz: maybe 3-4, and then add the new ones... so maybe 8 totoal [16:07] or there abouts [16:08] ok - are these questions marked somehow to be reviewed? [16:08] mathiaz: yes, I marked them up [16:09] ok [16:09] anything else on the Server FAQ subject? [16:09] don't think so [16:10] ok - that's all from last week minutes. [16:10] [TOPIC] Get rid of old libdb versions [16:10] New Topic: Get rid of old libdb versions [16:11] ScottK started to look into that task during hardy. [16:11] It seems that there is still some work to be done, but the list of packages to be updated needs to be updated firs.t [16:13] zul: do you know the status of this migration^^? [16:14] mathiaz:I think most of them are done already openldap is a different case [16:15] zul: correct - openldap is trickier. I'll look into that issue once I update openldap to 2.4.12. [16:15] the list definently needs to be updated though [16:15] zul: could you go over the list of packages in the roadmap and update it? [16:16] mathiaz: yep [16:16] [ACTION] zul to update the list of packages depending on libdb. [16:16] ACTION received: zul to update the list of packages depending on libdb. [16:17] [TOPIC] Add augeas lenses [16:17] New Topic: Add augeas lenses [16:17] nxvl: ^^? [16:18] \o/ [16:18] ok [16:18] we have come to a good state of the lenses [16:18] we have a bunch, raphink has been closely working with upstream for this [16:18] also upstream is going very well [16:19] this summer (south american here!) i will have planty of time for doing that [16:19] so i hope to have the whole set of needed lenses for feature freeze [16:19] and as always help is really welcomed [16:19] nxvl: is the list of lenses to create up-to-date on the wiki page? [16:19] is not hard to write those [16:19] yep [16:19] let me grab the link [16:20] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuCentralizedServiceAdministrator/Augeas [16:20] actually the tracking of the upstream lenses list is being done by me on tha wiki page AFAIR [16:20] ok - so work to create more lenses will continue during this release cycle [16:20] i updates that 2 weeks ago and there are no new lenses that i'm aware of [16:20] mathiaz: yes [16:21] nxvl: great. Thanks for tracking this task! [16:21] mathiaz: an hopefully finished soon [16:21] [TOPIC] Update ServerGuide for Jaunty [16:21] New Topic: Update ServerGuide for Jaunty [16:21] sommer: I've updated the roadmap with a link to a spec [16:21] sommer: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JauntyServerGuide [16:22] sommer: however that wiki page ^^ doesn't exist yet [16:22] mathiaz: cool, I can create that based on some things that didn't get into the Intrepid guide [16:22] sommer: do you have ideas/plans for the Server Guide in Jaunty? [16:22] mathiaz: a few, and I think there are more in the server team idea pool page [16:23] sommer: great - could you start to move them to the wiki page? [16:23] mathiaz: sure will do [16:23] sommer: so that we can get an overview for the work to be done for Jaunty [16:23] [ACTION] sommer to create a spec for the ServerGuide update in Jaunty [16:23] ACTION received: sommer to create a spec for the ServerGuide update in Jaunty [16:23] erm [16:23] sorry [16:24] sommer: any news on when the server guide for 8.10 will be put on help.u.c ? [16:25] mathiaz: not entirely sure, but I think mdke replied to a bug saying that the files were ready and waiting to be moved to the live server [16:25] sommer: ok. [16:25] anything else related to the server guide in Jaunty? [16:26] I think that's all [16:26] ok. [16:26] [TOPIC] Merges [16:26] New Topic: Merges [16:26] As you may have noticed, the archive is open for jaunty [16:27] so it's mergin time again [16:27] I'll prepare a list of "easy" merges again [16:28] as usual follow the Merging guidelines [16:28] outlined on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/Merging [16:29] well - that's all I have on the Roadmap [16:29] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Roadmap [16:30] anyone wants to add anything related to items on the Roadmap? [16:30] when doing merges, perhaps check if the package has an init script, see if it has a status action ;-) [16:30] and add one during the merge, if it doesn't ;-) [16:30] if not - just ping kirkland - he will be glad to add one for you ;) [16:31] kirkland: what's the wiki page used to track the status action? [16:32] kirkland: IIRC there are some intructions there on how to add a status action to init scripts [16:32] i think kirkland had a wiki page were it was explained how to add one [16:32] mathiaz: that page needs an update for Jaunty [16:32] and it's really easy AFAIR [16:32] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InitScriptStatusActions [16:32] you can also run: "service --status-all" on your system [16:33] and see what init scripts are missing status actions [16:33] kirkland: what needs to be updated? [16:33] kirkland: the list of packages? [16:33] kirkland: is it just for packages in main that you are going to do the init script stuff or for universe as well? [16:33] mathiaz: i need to crossref that wiki page, and ensure it's accurate for Jaunty [16:34] zul: both; main with more emphasis, I'd think [16:34] kirkland: ok [16:34] zul: but i'm happy to review/sponsor universe fixes myself [16:34] [ACTION] kirkland to update the init status action wiki page [16:34] ACTION received: kirkland to update the init status action wiki page [16:35] kirkland: I think packages marked as FIXED can be removed from the wiki page [16:35] mathiaz: okay [16:35] mathiaz: actually, it helps point to other scripts that you can emulate [16:36] kirkland: good point. May be moving them a different section then [16:36] kirkland: like - some examples: [16:36] mathiaz: sounds good! [16:36] kirkland: thanks for keeping track of this! [16:37] [TOPIC] Open Discussion [16:37] New Topic: Open Discussion [16:37] something new and interesting to say? [16:37] yes, the surver survey is closing on the 15th [16:38] if anyone want to blog about last chance to take the survey, feel free [16:38] mathiaz: i'm running with my entire home directory encrypted, using the same code used for Encrypted ~/Private [16:38] mathiaz: :-) [16:38] mathiaz: i'm working on the bootstrapping to get this working in Jaunty [16:38] the survey url is: http://survey.ubuntu.com/ [16:39] kirkland: awesome. [16:39] kirkland: do you have a spec written for? [16:43] nijaba: how many responses on the survey now? [16:43] allright - anything else? [16:43] mathiaz: about 4000+ [16:43] nealmcb1: ^^ [16:43] cool [16:45] allright - time to wrap up I guess [16:45] [TOPIC] Agree on next meeting date and time. [16:45] New Topic: Agree on next meeting date and time. [16:45] next week, same time, same place? [16:46] nealmcb1: 6777 responses for this survey (4105 full responses, 2672 responses not completely filled out) to be precise [16:46] o/ [16:46] nijaba: neat [16:46] * nijaba may not be available next week, but will try his best === nealmcb1 is now known as nealmcb [16:48] ok - great then. [16:48] See you all next week, same place, same time [16:48] and happy mergin' till then! [16:48] #endmeeting [16:48] Meeting finished at 10:48. 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