[01:02] oh dear, is it that late AGAIN [01:03] aparrently. [01:44] In #ubuntu-offtopic, AtomicSpark said: ubottu> webmin is no longer supported in Debian and Ubuntu. It is not compatible with the way that Ubuntu packages handle configuration files, and is likely to cause unexpected issues with your system. See !ebox instead. [01:44] webmin [01:44] !webmin [01:44] webmin is no longer supported in Debian and Ubuntu. It is not compatible with the way that Ubuntu packages handle configuration files, and is likely to cause unexpected issues with your system. See !ebox instead. [01:58] ah, it was fun while it lasted though. [02:30] pre-emptive ban on killb0t [02:30] good call [02:30] Pici: pre-emptive? he was pasting "Le Chason De Roland" (i think) [02:30] *Chanson [02:32] OK, it was "The Mountain Wreath" [02:32] mneptok: Also set a ban in #ubuntu actually, its rare that we get a flooder in -ot that hasn't already tried in #u or is going to. [02:33] Yeah, http://www.njegos.org/petrovics/wreath.htm#summit [02:33] an equally anti-Islam polemic [02:33] *le sigh* [02:34] And google actually made another hit for someone pasting the same thing in an irc channel... [02:34] And I just noticed that it was from irclogs.ubuntu.com [02:35] it meets the profile for the 'large text spammer' [02:38] ooh... === hunk1 is now known as hunk4ths [04:52] In #ubuntu-offtopic, MTecknology said: !unicode is Please stick with UTF-8. Unicode has no place on irc and especially not in nick complete. [05:14] when are we reopening #ubuntu+1 im already using it ;) [06:05] J-_ called the ops in #ubuntu-offtopic (m0niker) [06:06] someone should ban m0niker in -ot [06:06] +1 [06:07] eh, +1/2 [07:31] @bansearch ward1983 [07:31] No matches found for ward1983!n=ward@91.178.110.99 in any channel [07:55] got to work, back later [07:55] laters [08:03] Poor Kinote, after that "ignore" comment he's being assaulted with suggestions. I'll cut him some slack and let you all answer him ;) [08:06] I think his hardware is just failing [08:06] I agree [08:07] I imagine the optical drive that he's having failures with is the same bus as the harddrive he's having issues with. [08:07] probably same IDE cable [08:07] Flannel: concur [08:12] leejongwook was on #ubuntu yesterday as a different user - his behaviour is a bit odd he persistantly asks "where he is" but also seems to know [08:18] ikonia: the seemingly arbitrary "abc"s are interesting [08:18] oh [08:20] agreed [08:20] * Flannel didn't get one in query though. [08:20] I did [08:20] He's learnign irssi, it could very well be that he's purely confused. [08:21] although, accidentally querying in irssi is... difficult [08:21] saying abc 10 times is not learning [08:21] no, I agree. [08:22] forward him to fixyourconnection or something, see if he figures it out :P [08:23] ahh now we are getting something [08:26] EF_Codd was... interestingly short lived in #u [09:15] morning all [09:16] Howdy ikonia [09:17] * elkbuntu pigs out on veggie kourma. [09:17] good to be off the train although it's an interesting chance to try out mobile broadbannd [09:19] elkbuntu: You're not supposed to eat the karma of vegetarians, its not nice. [09:20] Flannel, i'm considering going ovo-lacto-pescatarian at home. i eat meat most lunchtimes. it's too much to do it at home as well. [09:20] translation: (egg, dairy, fish) [09:21] * Flannel hands elkbuntu a set of glasses. [09:21] even though i can probably get away without the pesca too, i loves my prawns, and fried rice isnt the same without. [09:21] Flannel, why? [09:21] elkbuntu: I said nothing about you not eating meat [09:22] ikonia, a good network can stay connected even on the train [09:22] Flannel, why the glasses though? [09:22] elkbuntu: So you can see without fuzziness? [09:22] not drinking glasses, eye glasses. [09:22] what fuzziness? [09:22] nothing. [09:23] i'm totally not following this... [09:23] elkbuntu: eating the *karma* of vegetarians, not being a vegetarian, and not eating korma either. [09:24] Its not really important though [09:24] good, because it seems i'm too tired to interpret [09:27] oh hold on, i think i get it. you thought i was thinking you were picking on me for not eating meat? [09:28] i wasnt, i was just ranting. i put all my major life decisions through the ops filter -- you didnt know? [09:29] elkbuntu hence why it was interesting for me to try [09:31] ikonia, the only place in sydney i know which is reliably sans-internet is the underground. and i only reguarly commute through about 1/3 of that, which is 2 stops. [09:32] elkbuntu: well I did the london main commute route today and lost signal 2 times, which was quite good, [09:32] even telstra's coverage only reliably covers the platforms there, afaik. [10:15] ubottu: tell MestariM about register [10:15] Error: I haven't seen MestariM, I'll let you do the telling. [10:15] damnit [10:18] heh. [10:19] @bansearch kfc [10:19] No matches found for kfc!n=just4why@60.50.179.239 in any channel [10:19] Hmmm I know that nick for some reason [10:19] I need to figure out how to do a group registration and I also need to think of what namespace... [10:19] bah [10:20] hrm, apparantly 'sour sweaty BO smell' plus my deodorant/cheap_nasty_perfume_can_stuff smells like fruit yoghurt. [10:20] elkbuntu: handy [10:20] so, i now smell like i've taken a bath in yoghurt. [10:20] nomnomnom [10:21] * Myrtti thinks of lemon yoghurt chocolate bar, drools [10:21] would probably not be quite so nom as yoghurt. [10:22] i is so full now. too much vegie curry [10:22] if you can actually call kourma 'curry'. [10:23] LjL, btw, i suspect it's probably that time in the lifecycle of any party where the passed out guests need to be carried outside. === popey_ is now known as popey [11:06] * Myrtti grunts [11:33] has tehre been any activity on the -irc mail list recently? [11:35] not since paul's towel. [11:39] ok, that's my last mail too [11:40] just checking [12:14] Limcore is on notice. [12:14] bazhang, a real notice or the same type he always gets? [12:15] elkbuntu, next time will be a long ban; he entered the channel #ubuntu with something very inappropriate. I just missed it. [12:16] I'd have kicked and remoevd him for that [12:16] we've had a public "last warning in here" a while ago [12:17] I feel a need to enforce it with limcore as it's never going to change on his last last last last warning [12:17] If I had seen it in time I would have; I will gladly do so now. [12:17] no no, it's gone now [12:17] can't really do it retrospectivly now [12:17] if others present concur [12:18] but for my view - and I say it publicly so it's logged in this channel, limcore's behaviour should not be tollerated futher - and I'm half tempted to request a perm ban on him [12:19] several months at the very least imo [12:19] he's had that [12:19] it doesn't sink in [12:19] 15 mins before an op notices should never be a get out of jail free card for stuff as clearly and intentionally inappropriate as that. [12:19] screw it [12:19] okay [12:20] I've muted him and I'll ask him waht happened about the little chat I had with him (logged in BT for the record) [12:20] elkbuntu: thank you for that, I agree with you, but always feel too harsh enforcing it [12:21] I got distracted for a moment with the Palin 2012 spammer [12:21] ikonia, i get to pull rank in times like these, in a way :) [12:22] bazhang: I was grabbing lunch [12:23] hello all! [12:23] * jussi01 thwacks ikonia... [12:23] morning sleepy [12:23] nice. [12:23] ikonia: is your phone on silent? [12:24] limcore is messaging vincent_ [12:24] ooh [12:24] hang on [12:24] I put it on train [12:24] hehe [12:25] I went to bath for a bit, had a wander round :D [12:25] ahh cool [12:26] I had to steal your cord from the dell - the adapter didnt work :( [12:26] rats [12:26] no problem [12:26] as long as you don't leave with it as I don't have a spare [12:26] when will you be back? [12:26] hehe [12:26] I wontr [12:27] have to grab dinner back in a bit [12:27] jussi01: looking like 3pm just waiting for green light from a meeting I'm in to be canceld then I'll leave [12:27] ok [12:30] Out of general curiousity, did the #kubuntu-kde4 --> #kubuntu switch work well? [12:31] not a clue [12:36] yes [12:37] Hobbsee: it went perfectly [12:37] jussi01: \o/ [12:37] there were one ot two little, "but I liked #kubuntu-kde4" complaints, but that happens with any change :) [12:38] change is bad ! [12:40] hahhah [12:46] jussi01: what did you go to see ? [12:46] * jussi01 bought a gobstopper the size of a cricket ball today...mind you, How it goes into anyones mouth is beyond me... [12:46] ikonia: wandered round the baths arean, had a coffee at boston tea party, went to the "humbug" shop, [12:47] ahh [12:51] well, seems limcore isnt going to argue the point, so i'm off to bed. [12:52] nini [12:54] elkbuntu: he had a go at me in pm asking "why" but same old same old "why is getting laid rude" " ar eyou a christian republican or something" etc etc [12:54] in other words, completely ignoring the whole point. [12:56] yup [12:56] so I walked away [12:56] heh heh heh. [12:57] I'm sure even christian republicans don't have a problem with people getting laid, either. Especially their own. [12:57] crazy guy. I wonder if he's going to start up in -bugs, and be given a holiday in there too. [12:58] Hobbsee: been quiet as a mouse, thats the thing that frustrates me, his last posts in -bugs where pretty reasonable and half through through [12:59] ikonia: except for the usual logic of "it's broken for me, therefore it's an epic failure of ubuntu" including lots of handwaving [12:59] Hobbsee I said half thought thorugh [12:59] thorugh [12:59] through even [12:59] * Hobbsee has noticed a disturbing trend of unreproducable bugs from people who tend to try any solution that they can possibly find, and "tweak" their system as much as possible. [13:00] especially when they follow forums howtos. [13:00] particularly in regards to pulseaudio not working in intrepid, if they "fixed" it via the forums methods in hardy. [13:00] I agre, some of the howto's and guides, like the guy who was advertising on planet ubuntu (ubuntugeek is it) was just dangerous [13:02] ha ha, I think he's just been kicked from #gentoo [13:07] hi [13:07] I agreed that commenting ubuntu quality is not wellcommed on most ubuntu channels [13:07] but now I see that making jokes that are not "christian" safe is not wellcomed either. What is about that? [13:08] LimCore: define how being christian relates to it at all? [13:08] even ##linux forgo that extreme purist (good word?) policy [13:08] well, I have a trouble to find correct expression in english [13:08] it is the notion that any thing related to sex is offensive/bad/evil/etc [13:09] how does sex has to do with ubuntu problems? [13:09] sex/gender/religion [13:09] it was offtopic indeed. But I was told it was rude, I don't agree [13:09] Myrtti: because if you solve enough ubuntu problems, you deserve to get laid, apparently. [13:09] Hobbsee: ah, right. [13:09] Where can I sign up? [13:10] Myrtti: I was banned for asking that quiestion [13:10] LimCore lets cut to the chase [13:10] sorry, I'm having a slant day [13:10] Myrtti: what LimCore doesn't appear to realise is that a whole lot of people who work on the project don't *wish* to get laid by random people, nor do they particularly appreciate repeated questions along that line. [13:10] speaking of which [13:10] LimCore: you know the rules, you where offtopic and disruptive to the channel as normal - we have spoke about this and you just can't be in a channel with out being a distuption [13:10] Hobbsee: so you say this joke is actually abusive? *really* ? [13:10] I've got that Egyptian 18-y-o stalker on my pm again [13:11] LimCore: i've had enough people make "joking" comments about laying people, and other things in a sexual realm, to last me until next millenium. [13:11] also, I was asking for *myself*, since Im close to karma 1000 (yey) [13:11] LimCore: it's not a joke if you've heard it hundreds of times before, right? For anyone [13:11] LimCore that doesn't matter [13:11] Hobbsee: ok but I was asking for myself [13:11] ikonia: is limcore a disruoption and should be banned ? [13:11] LimCore: well, dude, perhaps you should think a little about other people, and not be so selfish. [13:11] ikonia: yes he should [13:11] thank god these people know me [13:11] thats fine, I've just confirmed it with myself [13:12] Hobbsee: what do you mean by that [13:12] LimCore: just because you want to get laid doesn't mean you should be allowed to sexually harass other people, collectively or singularly, in the ubuntu project. [13:12] Including with your "jokes" [13:12] Hobbsee: this is true [13:13] if you're that desperate, i'm sure that there are prostitutes in most countries. [13:13] now here's a hilarious thought. Perhaps I should hook up ASUS-tek with my virtual stalker [13:13] but I totally do not see this in absolutelly any way harrasing [13:13] who will be happy to service you, as you desire. [13:14] Hobbsee: thanks, I know, I use this option when needed \o/ but can we get back to my question - was this comment really abusive? If yes then why. [13:14] LimCore you forced people to listen to a joke about sex [13:14] LimCore: yes, it was. A lot of the "jokes" often have higher implications. And of course, if you want to welcome people to your project... [13:14] people didn't want to see it [13:15] well, not your project [13:15] to *the* project [13:15] In addition, you were already on thin ice due to previous misconduct in our channels. [13:15] then that's not the way you behave. [13:15] Pici: yes I stoped saying what do I think about quality of some ubuntu packages, as requested [13:15] LimCore that wasn't the request [13:15] except for -bugs earlier, apparently. [13:15] LimCore: you where ask to stop being rude/offensive/disruption/ranting [13:16] I honestly did not think this was rude or abusive. [13:16] LimCore: you where also pointed at the irc guidelines and coc [13:16] LimCore: but you knew it was offtopic and still did it [13:16] so you acn be banned for being offensive or offtopic - its up to you [13:16] so any sex related jokes ARE considered abusive then? Then, why? [13:16] LimCore: did you *actually* think about how comments like that would make people feel welcomed to the project? [13:17] LimCore: dude, because people don't want to sleep with you. They don't want consistent implications of you wanting to sleep with them, either. [13:17] LimCore: Shoudln't people get the right *just* to do FOSS without having to put up with that sort of crap? [13:17] Same for anyone and everyone who asks things related to that. [13:17] I think we are making a big deal from a small joke that passes as ok on most (all?) top-10 channels here. Why is that [13:18] Hell, making consistent remarks about black people woudl be the same thing, i'm sure. [13:18] LimCore: I think you probably need to go away, and have a think about how to make people feel welcome to a project, and how you should behave [13:19] because now you apparently don't get it [13:20] but Myrtti just above make same joke and it is suddenly ok, which increases my feeling that this judgment of same joke when done by me is not objective [13:20] I think you'll find that she booted herself just after that, deciding it was inappropriate. [13:21] why this is a problem on #ubuntu and not on other channels here? [13:21] Because we don't manage the other channels? [13:21] * Hobbsee ntoes you're grasping at straws here. [13:21] Hobbsee: I ment this as: perhaps you are a bit over reacting in this manner - so I wonder is there any speciall reason for it that I should take into account [13:22] LimCore, no [13:22] LimCore, it is not an over-reaction. [13:22] LimCore: based on the fact that others don't seem to be disagreeing here.... [13:22] LimCore, quit while you are behind [13:23] LimCore: I think the fact that no one seems to be agreeing with you, *at all*, not in #ubuntu, and not here, suggests that you're the one in the wrong. [13:24] did any user said he felt offended? [13:24] LimCore, you have a long history of being very denigrating towards the ubuntu project; this is just one more--even further egregious--example of it. [13:24] bazhang: +1 [13:24] ikonia, PM? [13:25] always [13:25] Well said [13:25] LimCore: most people can manage to actually obey a topic, unlike yourself apparently, so, no, they wouldn't have mentioned it there. [13:25] anyway, you're just wasting time - you won't be let back in, indefinetly. [13:27] is this only for #ubuntu Hobbsee ? [13:28] bazhang: so far. [13:28] he is in -bugs as well I see. [13:28] bazhang: he didn't make such comments in there. [13:28] he is right here, btw [13:28] okay thanks [13:28] * Hobbsee has been watching bugs, and will continue to, though. [13:29] LimCore, please /part now [13:29] ok fine, I'm resposible for all the evil, and my comment hurt thousands of people, whatever, neh [13:29] while a channel-wide ban might certainly be nice, i think it's probably a little heavy handed currently. [13:30] Of course, if he decides to start disobeying other channel topics (such as asking for support in -bugs), then I can't see a reason why he wouldn't get a holiday from there... [13:53] rage, how may we help you [13:54] Hello, ermm, I appear to be banned from #ubuntu, I'm using an ip that is common to a server, creep.bur.st [13:56] rage, when were you first banned? [13:56] Not 100% sure, I havent logged in for about 5-6 days [13:56] rage, did you go by other nick perhaps? [13:56] Nope, [13:56] As I said, I'm on a shared IP, its possible someone else was abusive [13:56] rage: I can see the ban on your host [13:57] rage, is the server managed by you? [13:57] rage: who do you share it with [13:57] Nope [13:57] EF_Codd perhaps? [13:57] rage, is "identd" running as root on the server? [13:57] about 20-30 people [13:57] As far as I'm aware yes [13:57] rage: wait a minute please [13:57] this is my login name for the server as well [13:58] rage you said you'd not logged in for 4 - 6 days ? [13:58] Sorry, not logged into ubuntu, I wasnt clear [13:58] #ubuntu [13:58] I have been in #nexenta for the last 20 hours or so [13:58] rage, you can join [13:58] But otherwise yes [13:58] I'll give it a go [13:59] one moment [13:59] Excellent, thank you all very much :-) [14:00] I shall depart, thank you once again :-) [14:00] rage: if this happens again, please join here and point out that identd is running on the machine (also, if this happens again, consider reporting) [14:00] gah [14:01] LjL: out of interest, was it just his ident what makde you think he was not el_cod [14:02] ikonia, well, the hostname definitely looks like a shell server, and in my lost, all users who joined from it were i=. so identd has been running for some time. [14:02] ok [14:02] ikonia: if he's just a troll who's running identd on a fancy hostname... well, we'll find out soon, i guess [14:03] just curious how you came to that action [14:03] mahen2 is ready to go. [14:04] [15:01:25] Will do, the server has an anti irc abuse policy, so if someone has been misusing it they can be kicked off [14:04] Thats nice to hear. [14:05] Good morning, afternoon, or evening [14:05] @mark #ubuntu-ops rage creep.bur.st ban kept by ident [14:05] The operation succeeded. [14:06] @login [14:06] Error: Your hostmask doesn't match or your password is wrong. [14:06] Hm [14:06] ikonia: oh and last but not least, rage has been in my logs since august, while the trouble started much later, when other usernames from that host joined [14:07] ok. so thats pretty valid [14:18] ikonia: have you got out yet? [14:19] yes [14:19] although please re-phrase that while in a public channel [14:19] I have no wish to give the wrong idea [14:19] hahahah [14:19] oops [14:20] o.O [14:20] ikonia: have you left work yet? [14:20] no [14:20] sat on a conference call [14:20] waiting to leave [14:20] ok [14:20] praying to leave is more accurate [14:20] hehe [14:20] haha [14:20] jussio1: this phone is odd [14:21] damn your house is cold... :D btw, is there a new style nokia charger around? [14:21] My phone is sticky. I spilled soda on it. [14:21] ikonia: how "odd"? [14:21] time to scrub the logs [14:21] jussio1 new style chrager in the kitchen, you can turn the heating on with the white dial in the hall [14:21] starting three minutes ago [14:21] jussio1: feels funny as a phone, but not as bad as the blackberry [14:21] Pici: so now if you take notes on it you get sticky notes, nice [14:22] LjL: bravo [14:22] funny in any language [14:25] jussio1: you may have to give me some lessons later, this is quite different to my normal setup [14:26] ikonia: no probs :D [14:28] jussio1: have you found the heating control ? [14:28] yes :D [14:28] good good [14:37] Why does !info kooka show nothing but launchpad says it exists? [14:37] !info kooka [14:37] Package kooka does not exist in intrepid [14:37] State: not a real package [14:37] Hm [14:38] And yet https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/i386/kooka/4:3.5.9-0ubuntu1 [14:39] !info skanlite | genii-around [14:39] genii-around: skanlite (source: skanlite): KDE 4 image scanning application. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.2-kde4.1.2-0ubuntu1 (intrepid), package size 1185 kB, installed size 1608 kB [14:39] genii-around: Theres no Intrepid downloads for that, only hardy. [14:40] genii-around: kooka has been replaced... [14:40] s/downloads/downloads or builds/ [14:42] Thanks jussi01 :) [14:42] :D [15:10] * genii-around blinks [15:14] err... saywhat? [15:15] She banned herself earlier, just removing the ban for whenever she decides to return. [15:15] she's a troll [15:15] just like ljl [15:24] why am I banned from #ubuntu [15:26] fryguy: one moment. [15:30] fryguy: The op that banned you isn't around currently, and I don't have enough information to look at the ban until he returns. [15:31] i was told to wait 4 hours, approximately 4 days ago [15:31] fryguy: And who told you that? [15:31] don't remember, it was quite a few days ago [15:31] and i dont' keep logs of irc [15:32] fryguy: I think that was me, did you come back in 4 hours? [15:32] nalioth I think? i dunno [15:32] All I see is "let me be blunt. Leave now and don't come back until flannel is active." [15:32] jussi01: I did, and the op ignored me, so i waited a few more days [15:32] it was flannel [15:32] I don't have that second request in my logs for whatever reason. [15:32] fryguy, better talk with Flannel [15:33] bazhang: i can't, he ignores me [15:33] fryguy: We'll ask Flannel to comment on your ban, until then, theres nothing we can do. [15:33] fryguy, sure you can. it has been nearly a week now. [15:34] bazhang: I messaged him, he never responded, this was a few days ago now. I noticed I'm still banned, so i'm here inquiring about it [15:34] fryguy, this is the place to ask. come back later today or tomorrow [15:34] ie not via PM [15:35] fryguy: And we're responding. I don't have a record of any comments on your ban from Flannel. The next time he shows up we'll ask him so that we have something to say if you show up again and he isn't around. [15:35] i'm at work now and can't get things done because an upgrade that i was trying to inquire about hosed my system pretty badly, so I'm in quite a situation right now, and would like a way to receive prompt support [15:35] Hows that? [15:35] bazhang: exactly, this isn't the place to ask about it, which is why i asked him. The only reason i'm in here now is because I kind of need some immediate results [15:36] ask in #kubuntu if you have a support question imo [15:36] the support question is directly related to gnome [15:36] then you have to wait. [15:36] and it only occurs in ubuntu installations of gnome [15:36] bazhang: i have waited, 4 days [15:37] 6 actually [15:37] i was banned because of a personal interaction, nothing I did in the channel [15:37] fryguy: Like I said, the rest of us don't have enough information to make the call either way. [15:37] fryguy, yes, I recall. [15:37] indirectly your fault, if I'm not mistaken [15:37] fryguy, that is why you must iron it out with him in here. [15:38] bazhang: wait, a couple of minutes ago you told me it was inapproppriate to do in here, now you are saying do it in here? [15:38] can you please be clear? [15:38] fryguy, you must have misread [15:38] i get conflicting messages from the occupants of this room all of the time, it would be helpful if we were consistent [15:38] fryguy, this is the place to ask. come back later today or tomorrow [15:38] 10:35:59 + bazhang| fryguy, this is the place to ask. [15:39] about your ban, not support [15:39] right [15:39] fryguy: Flannel will see this and leave a comment about your ban. For now, try ##linux or #kubuntu [15:41] it's an ubuntu specific problem [15:41] On a different matter, we should start a wiki with the names of ops who don't care if their bans are managed by others. Personally, anyone can remove one of my bans. If I feel differently, I'll leave a comment on the ban tracker. I know others have said this as well [15:41]