[00:12] <nikolam> ok, it is working now
[00:13] <nikolam> Also my monitor on other machine stopped using dpms to turn off after screensaver
[00:13] <nikolam> therefore, it never turns-off automatically
[00:16] <deus_> WHy in the nine hells is there different sound settings based on window manager
[00:40] <spowney> hey i was jus trying to change my computer name, and cant find applications-system-networking they havnt changed it in 8.10 hav they?
[00:41] <zoredache> spowney: don't know, but you could edit your /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts files manually
[00:42] <bad_> hi there, do you need to use ndiswrapper for a broadcom chipset  BCM4306 on xubuntu 8.04?
[00:43] <Odd-rationale> bad_: not really. i used b43-fwcutter.
[00:43] <Odd-rationale> it is easier to set up b43 if you have a wired internet connection available...
[00:44] <spowney> zoredache: ty for help, quicker to do that than carry on searching, no idea where it is nowadays
[00:46] <bad_> well I do have a wired connection right now I'll lookup that b43-fwcutter thingmajig, thanks Odd-rationale
[00:47] <bad_> can I get this through add-remoce, synaptic or does it have to be cli to install it?
[00:49] <Odd-rationale> bad_: from synaptics
[00:49] <Odd-rationale> *synaptic
[00:49] <bad_> thanks again
[00:53] <bad_> and I've got liftoff
[00:53] <bad_> :)
[01:19] <bad_> actually not
[01:19] <bad_> never mind too late for now I'll be back
[02:02] <kazexe> how a return to xfce 4.4.2
[02:03] <kazexe> how to return to xfce 4.4.2
[02:04] <kazexe> from 4.6.0
[02:04] <Hikefu> Which Xubuntu are you running?
[02:04] <kazexe> 8.10
[02:05] <kazexe> whit 4.6
[02:05] <kazexe> but
[02:05] <kazexe> i don't like it to much
[02:05] <kazexe> i want to return to the stable version
[02:06] <Hikefu> I'm not sure if you can do it easily.
[02:06] <Hikefu> Without downgrading.
[02:06] <Hikefu> To Hardy.
[02:06] <kazexe> i wanto downgrade it
[02:06] <Hikefu> Well I don't think you can downgrade from 8.10 to 8.04 without reinstalling.
[02:07] <kazexe> no of course not
[02:07] <kazexe> from the repo
[02:07] <Hikefu> You'd be better off backing things up and just reinstalling Hardy.
[02:07] <kazexe> to risky
[02:08] <Hikefu> Unless you could install Ubuntu 8.10 and then download XFCE 4.4.2 from somewhere and install it overtop of that.
[02:08] <kazexe> maybe if i uninstall the xubuntu a reinstalling disabling the repo sour of 4.6
[02:09] <Hikefu> I would assume that the only source of XFCE in xubuntu is one with 4.6; I use Ubuntu though, and Crunchbang linux with Openbox.
[02:09] <Hikefu> I'm not an expert.
[02:10] <Hikefu> If you need something lightweight, you should try out Crunchbang. It's basically Ubuntu with no gnome, just openbox, and it comes with more preinstalled apps than any ubuntu variant.
[02:10] <TheSheep> istn't 'more preinstalled apps' conflicting with 'lightweight'?
[02:11] <Hikefu> How so?
[02:11] <Hikefu> Number of apps makes less difference.
[02:11] <Hikefu> It's the type of apps.
[02:11] <TheSheep> kazexe: I think you can just uninstall teh xfce packages and install the 4.4.0 from regular repository
[02:12] <kazexe> crunchbag
[02:12] <kazexe> he?
[02:12] <Hikefu> http://www.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/photo.php?pid=173158&id=1307239503
[02:12] <Hikefu> I have some screenshots there.
[02:12] <Hikefu> I understand what you're talking about TheSheep, the apps are lightweight, it uses xfce for some things too.
[02:13] <Hikefu> But it comes with a lot of lightweight multimedia, editing, apps... ones people use, not just crappy default ones.
[02:14] <TheSheep> Hikefu: so what does it have for editing images?
[02:14] <Hikefu> hold on, I'm in ubuntu now... I have an app list somewhere.
[02:15] <Hikefu> http://crunchbang.org/wiki/crunchbang-linux-8-dot-04-dot-02-applications-list/
[02:15] <Hikefu> It's hands down the best implementation of openbox that I've seen
[02:16] <TheSheep> so it's GIMP
[02:16] <TheSheep> how original :)
[02:17] <Hikefu> LOL, well, there really isn't much else I guess.
[02:18] <Hikefu> I'm not even sure why I bother. I have 2 gb of ram... I just like running something different.
[02:18] <TheSheep> Hikefu: why would I need a... palette designer?
[02:18] <TheSheep> or a color picker asa separate application?
[02:18] <Hikefu> Well the guy just remastered his ubuntu setup, and he's into design... so it's there just in case I guess.
[02:19] <TheSheep> for me lightweight means 'with no useless parts' :)
[02:20] <Hikefu> I guess you could say that. For me, lightweight is more about the performance and footprint of running apps.
[02:20] <Hikefu> You using intrepid xubuntu?
[02:21] <kazexe> how to uninstall xfce
[02:21] <Hikefu> sudo apt-get remove xubuntu-desktop -- but that won't get rid of apps that might depend on xfce 4.6.
[02:22] <Hikefu> maybe aptitude remove xubuntu-desktop?
[02:23] <TheSheep> kazexe:just search for 'xfce' in synaptic
[02:23] <TheSheep> kazexe: and unistall the packages that have 4.6.0 version
[02:27] <kazexe> i'm doing that right noe
[02:29] <MHz128> hi guys
[02:29] <MHz128> I would like to run a gnome app called netspeed, will this require installing all of the gnome dependencies?
[02:30] <MHz128> I think gnome-system-monitor is included with xubuntu by default, does this mean I have gnome deps installed already?
[02:35] <kazexe> i downloaded xfce 4.4.3
[02:36] <kazexe> graphical installer
[02:36] <kazexe> for my intrepid hope it works
[02:40] <xubuser> Hello People.
[02:40] <xubuser> Hello People.
[02:41] <xubuser> do people use Skype for convs?
[02:42] <Chaser_> xubuser: some people do
[02:48] <kazexe> how to install gtk+
[02:51] <xubuser> clear
[03:02] <Ultraputz> having trouble getting banshee to play off of somafm, getting this:
[03:02] <Ultraputz> Banshee.Playlists.Formats.InvalidPlaylistException: An application exception has occurred.
[03:03] <Ultraputz>   at Banshee.Playlists.Formats.PlaylistParser.Parse (Banshee.Base.SafeUri uri) [0x00000]
[03:03] <Ultraputz>   at Banshee.Streaming.RadioTrackInfo.LoadStreamUri (System.String uri) [0x00000]
[03:05] <dcolish> !pastebin | Ultraputz
[03:13] <Taza> Uh, can anyone give me a pastebin of the default post-install 8.10 /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist ?
[03:13] <Taza> I managed to destroy mine
[03:19] <kazexe> xfce repo
[03:20] <Ultraputz> taza -
[03:20] <Ultraputz> http://paste.ubuntu.com/70292/
[03:20] <kazexe> xubuntu repo
[03:20] <Taza> Thanks
[03:23] <Taza> Hmm. Very not good. I ran "apt-get remove linux-image-2.6.24*" to free disk space, just upgraded to 8.10
[03:23] <Taza> ... aand I suddenly see no kernel in grub
[03:24] <Ultraputz> since 8.10, banshee won't play somafm, here.
[03:24] <Taza> I still see the folder for 2.6.27-7-generic under /lib/modules but not in grub...
[03:25] <Taza> This bad, even I can see that much. :p
[03:27] <kazexe> xubuntu resotory
[03:28] <Taza> Fix'd, linux-generic was not installed.
[03:28] <Taza> This is not what I'd like to do but it (somewhat) works
[03:35] <kazexe> reinstalling xubuntu
[03:35] <kazexe> from ubuntu
[03:36] <kazexe> dependeny error thunar a xfcedestop
[03:42] <kennyc91> Does Xubuntu have a minimum requirement as far as CPU speed is concerned?
[03:46] <kazexe> i solved thanxs
[03:51] <Taza> How can 8.10 be THIS buggy?
[03:52] <Taza> I mean Jesus Christ. The taskbar icon for "a package manager is working" takes half of my taskbar
[03:52] <maxamillion> Taza: because ubuntu sucks horridly
[03:52] <Necrosan> aks me how i feel taza
[03:52] <Taza> maxamillion: Well I knew that, but lord knows the Feeedora sucked more
[03:52] <Necrosan> aks me
[03:52] <Taza> How do you feel?
[03:53] <maxamillion> Taza: what is your qualm with fedora?
[03:53] <Necrosan> I feel like shit
[03:53] <Taza> Nothing - just all fedora eee distroes have been horrible
[03:53] <maxamillion> Taza: ohhhhh for the eee
[03:54]  * maxamillion missed that part
[03:54] <Taza> It forgot the damn KERNEL. THE KERNEL.
[03:54] <Taza> My network manager is nowhere to be found, neither is my battery monitor
[03:55] <maxamillion> Taza: you should install debian ... they have solid support for the eee
[03:55] <maxamillion> Taza: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC
[03:55] <Taza> It was working fine short of the wifi and overclocking before
[03:57] <maxamillion> yeah, i didn't overclock mine and my wifi worked out of the box with debian
[03:57] <maxamillion> i ran the sid branch
[03:57] <Taza> I need to overclock
[03:58] <Taza> I've got one of the Bad Batch SDHC drives.
[04:01] <maxamillion> oh ouch
[04:03] <Taza> network-manager isn't working either. ;_;
[04:06] <Necrosan> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yC1d1SCieis&feature=related
[04:08] <Taza> taskbar's broken, as broken as it can be.
[04:09] <Taza> NetworkManager, battery don't show up, the "a package manager is working" icon is ~*20 larger than it should be - whereas the "reboot" and "updates are available" work normally
[04:11] <Ultraputz> taza - sounds like more is wrong than the linux kernal being removed
[04:12] <Ultraputz> icon sizes being wonky sounds like bad symlinks
[04:12] <Taza> Ultraputz: Yeah, but wtf can I do?
[04:12] <Taza> This was a relatively normal 8.04 install, perfectly working, and when I updated to 8.10 everything's broken suddenly.
[04:12] <Ultraputz> i'd hope TheSheep were awake to provide his sage wisdom, and barring that, get the data off and just reinstall.
[04:13] <Taza> All I did was use the update manager to update to 8.10 and "apt-get remove linux-image-2.6.24*"
[04:13] <Taza> What's the default battery applet in Xfce?
[04:13] <Ultraputz> have you rebooted thge machine since you did that?
[04:13] <Taza> Yes
[04:13] <Ultraputz> and it came up?
[04:14] <Taza> I updated to 8.10, rebooted, did "apt-get remove linux-image-2.6.24*", did not reboot because I noticed warning messages, did "apt-get install linux-generic" after that, rebooted
[04:14] <Taza> It's came up to desktop every time, just everything is weirdly wonky
[04:15] <Ultraputz> gimme a bullet list of symptoms -- icons wonky, what else?
[04:16] <Taza> Device set to appear in /dev/SDHC doesn't - in fact, the SD reader drive doesn't appear at all even under fdisk -l
[04:16] <Taza> No task bar icons for battery / network manager.
[04:16] <Ultraputz> did you try putting the old kernal back ? :-)
[04:16] <Taza> AmaroK complains about missing Perl components
[04:18] <Taza> Icons wonky, sd card reader missing, network manager and battery missing from taskbar - AmaroK appears okay though.
[04:18] <Taza> Kernel was missing when I installed.
[04:18] <Taza> As was linux-generic
[04:19] <Ultraputz> i'm just saying, did you try installing what you'd removed just to see?
[04:19] <Taza> How would I do that?
[04:20] <Taza> "apt-get install linux-image-2.6.24-21-generic"?
[04:20] <Ultraputz> ja...
[04:20] <Ultraputz> unless someone else thinks that's an exceptionally bad idea :-)
[04:20] <Ultraputz> how much stuff is on there that is non-system
[04:20] <Taza> Cannot in 8.10
[04:20] <Ultraputz> hrm.
[04:21] <Ultraputz> did you try just dropping to maintenance shell and running fsck ?
[04:21] <Taza> A fair bit of configuration files, and some older kernel modules.
[04:21] <Taza> Aaand how would I do that? Close X?
[04:21] <Taza> heck, how do you kill just X under Xubuntu 8.10?
[04:21] <Ultraputz> you reboot, hit esc when grub comes up and select the maintenance version of whatever kernal you're running
[04:21] <Ultraputz> it should come up a # prompt
[04:21] <Ultraputz> run fsck
[04:21] <Ultraputz> then do shutdown -r now
[04:21] <Taza> Yeahyeah, I wasn't just familiar with "maintenance shell"
[04:22] <Ultraputz> sorry, oldschool here :-)
[04:22] <Taza> Uh
[04:22] <Taza> I'm running SDD
[04:22] <Ultraputz> eee pc or something ?
[04:22] <Taza> Yup
[04:23] <Ultraputz> no experience with such systems, dunno the ins and outs of sdd-based systems.
[04:23] <Taza> fsck says everything is okay
[04:23] <Ultraputz> i'm sure you tried looking on ubuntu forums ?
[04:23] <Taza> Yeah, no help there
[04:23] <Ultraputz> how much of a pain is reinstallation?
[04:24] <Taza> Well, right now? Lots. In six days? Not much.
[04:24] <Taza> Guess I should have waited 'till six days later updating...
[04:24] <Ultraputz> oh, you're away from your desktop
[04:25] <Taza> No, I'm not actually.
[04:25] <Taza> I'm writing this from my desktop. I should go travelling today with my laptop
[04:25] <Ultraputz> when why is backup and reinstall a pain?
[04:25] <Ultraputz> you can torrent install media if you don't have it already pretty d*** fast
[04:25] <Taza> Because I need to do a fair bit of adjustments.
[04:26] <Ultraputz> sounds like you're in for that already
[04:26] <Taza> Eh, I suppose
[04:27] <Ultraputz> you could back up most of your configs by just backing up home
[04:27] <Taza> I still don't get how the fsck this happened
[04:27] <Ultraputz> me either. that's why i'm suggesting reinstall -- i mean, i'm sure it's an interestingproblem -- how much research do you want to do before you can use your laptop for fun stuff? :-)
[04:28] <Ultraputz> fwiw, i keep an image of my laptop hdd on the desktop so that, if something horrific happens, it's just unroll and go.
[04:28] <Ultraputz> including drive replacements
[04:28] <Taza> Blech.
[04:28] <Ultraputz> those things are tiny, if sdd, it's gotta be under 8g, ja?
[04:28] <Taza> Yup
[04:28] <Ultraputz> that's not painful...
[04:29] <Taza> I could have booted off one USB stick (got a spare 256 one) and backup to a 8gb stick if I compress
[04:29] <Ultraputz> or just get on the network, dump your home directory, and reinstall :-)
[04:29] <Ultraputz> booting off the stick is how you'd launch a restore op anyway...
[04:29] <Taza> Hokay
[04:30] <Taza> NetworkManager IS there
[04:30] <Taza> It's icon is just lost
[04:30] <Ultraputz> ...
[04:30] <Taza> Fuck this, I'm reinstalling. ;_;
[04:30] <Ultraputz> you could also get a dead chicken, a maraca... a grass skirt...
[04:30] <Taza> The chicken has to be LIVE to sacrifice to the gods of updating
[04:30] <Taza> Plus you forgot the goat
[04:30] <Ultraputz> no, i was going to keep the goat.... for other... uses.
[04:31] <Ultraputz> taza means 'fresh' in either turkish or egyptian-arabic. i can't remember which.
[04:31] <Taza> Turkish. Also "pot" in Spanish
[04:31] <Ultraputz> beauty :-)
[04:32] <Ultraputz> pot as in the plant or pot as in the thing soup is made in?
[04:32] <Taza> The thing soup is made in. Unfortunately.
[04:33] <Taza> On the upside, anything caring about file permissions in my home folder is already on my ext2-formatted SDHC
[04:34] <Ultraputz> beauty
[04:34] <Ultraputz> so it's punch and go, almost.
[04:34] <Ultraputz> minus the annoying itch of defeat :-)
[04:34] <Taza> All I need to do is to copy /home to a vfat-formatted stick
[04:35] <Taza> Frankly, you learn to get over defeat in favor of getting a working system pretty quickly
[04:35] <Ultraputz> ja.
[04:36] <Ultraputz> at any minute, this crap-castle netvista may plunge through the floorboards, but that's ok, it syncs with two other boxes. all three of them are shakey, but odds are, one will survive anything but a meteor strike. :-)
[04:37] <Taza> I mean, no kernel, whacked icons... whatever it is, it'd need deep wizardry to fix
[04:37] <Taza> 21% of xubuntu-8.10-desktop-i386.iso downloaded
[04:37] <Ultraputz> via torrent?
[04:38] <Taza> Via ftp
[04:38] <Ultraputz> via torrent, i had it in like 8-10 minutes.
[04:38] <Taza> Yeah, but I didn't bother to find the torrent link. :P
[04:38] <Taza> It's downloading at my connection's max speed anyway, so eh
[04:38] <Ultraputz> lazy, cheeky. a man after my own heart. :-)
[04:39] <Taza> And I just remembered the hardest part. ;_;
[04:39] <Taza> Fixing my pppd / bluetooth settings
[04:39] <Ultraputz> ppp...
[04:39] <Ultraputz> dialip?
[04:39] <Ultraputz> up?
[04:39] <Ultraputz> or dsl ?
[04:39] <Taza> Just old-fashioned dialup in a new way
[04:39] <Taza> 3g
[04:39] <Taza> I did say I was going travelling
[04:40] <Ultraputz> in turkmenistan? :-)
[04:40] <Taza> Please.
[04:40] <Taza> It's 3g dialup
[04:40] <Taza> Old thing here but brand new in the states
[04:41] <Ultraputz> hey, i'd go. some really cool archeology being done there at the moment.
[04:41] <Taza> Ya know what 3g is?
[04:41] <Ultraputz> don't keep up with phone tech
[04:41] <Taza> Yup. The reason the new iPhone is iPhone 3g
[04:41] <Ultraputz> yeah, i knew it was an improved gsm or something
[04:42] <Ultraputz> i hate cellphones. i have a tiny little POS phone that is usually off.
[04:42] <Taza> Dude
[04:42] <Taza> 3g here is awesome+++
[04:42] <Taza> It's basically a broadband-speed ppp mobile connection
[04:42] <Ultraputz> i think its the part about having microwave burst transmitters next to my abdominal organs and head that bothers me.
[04:43] <dcolish> Taza, this is better suited for #xubuntu-offtopic
[04:44] <Ultraputz> dc - you have any helpful ideas to contribute maybe?
[04:44] <Taza> dcolish: Well, 3g is still on subject for Xubuntu given I need to configure Xubuntu to support i
[04:44] <Taza> * it
[04:44] <dcolish> ok well then lets talk about that
[04:45] <Taza> Which it tries to do by default and falls really flat on it's face
[04:45] <dcolish> Taza, thats not going to solve the issue. If you explain the problem we can help you or at least try
[04:46] <Taza> NetworkManager doesn't allow the use of a custom ppp script for specific devices
[04:46] <Taza> Happy? ;p
[04:47] <Taza> Which means I need to manually start my ppp connections via pppd and networkmanager doesn't recognize them, and always sets Firefox in offline mode when I'm using the ppp connection
[04:47] <dcolish> Of course
[04:49] <Taza> Now, if you're going to be so anal retentive about THE TOPIC AND NOTHING BUT THE TOPIC, can you contribute?
[04:49] <dcolish> Taza, you should watch your language and your attitude
[04:49] <Taza> You an op, I assume?
[04:50] <Ultraputz> dcolish - give some leeway -- maybe someone with a problem might be exceptionally frustrated?
[04:50] <dcolish> I am trying to help moderate a forum for open discussion of issues
[04:51] <Taza> dcolish: It's impossible for me to watch my attitude due to a neurological problem btw. Show some respect towards the disabled.
[04:51] <Taza> (And yes, that's a real condition I really have.)
[04:52] <dcolish> Taza, why do you need a custom ppp script? Is that part of the 3g providers connection parameters?
[04:52] <Taza> Yes.
[04:52] <dcolish> What version of NM are you running currently?
[04:52] <Taza> The whole script is actually over at the Finnish wiki
[04:52] <Taza> I wouldn't know
[04:52] <Ultraputz> you can version it from command line i think
[04:52] <Taza> Given that, well, my kernel and half of my software just disappeared there and I'm preparing to reinstall
[04:53] <Ultraputz> it's network-manager --version it hink ?
[04:53] <Taza> No and no
[04:53] <dcolish> Taza, is this similar to your issue? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/116696
[04:54] <Taza> Aptitude says 0.7~~svn2
[04:54] <Taza> More or less
[04:55] <Taza> Though, I haven't gotten Intrepid Ibex to work yet
[04:55] <Taza> Because it had a disappearing kernel trick and icons were lost
[04:55] <dcolish> By disappearing, what do you mean?
[04:55] <Taza> dcolish: BTW, this is not on topic - but do make friends with rej of #gentoo fame, you might find the community more inviting to yourself.
[04:56] <Taza> I mean the "package manager is working" icon is around... twenty times larger than normal
[04:56] <Taza> And networkmanager/battery applet icons are not there at all
[04:56] <Taza> Ultraputz: Do you think I need to backup other places than /etc (for selective migration) and /home ?
[04:57] <Taza> dcolish: Also, I find something a bit curious. Was Ubuntu the first distro you started contributing towards?
[04:58] <Ultraputz> not really
[04:58] <Ultraputz> i wouldn't bother
[04:58] <Ultraputz> because whatever it is, unless you've got weird custom kernal mods or something...
[04:58] <Taza> Yeah well I have to compile those kernel by kernel anyway
[04:58] <Taza> And all others are already as debs for ibex except one.
[04:59] <Taza> dcolish: I updated to 8.10, it forgot having a kernel (linux-generic) got uninstalled, and after that both device support - heck, an USB drive is missing - and task bar icons have gotten certain small birds upwardly inclined.
[05:11] <Taza> dcolish: Now, did you interrupt our tech discussion that is still relevant to the channel without having anything to contribute nor any replacing more on-topic discussion it could have bothered? Tsk.
[05:12] <Taza> O tempora o mores. Ain't like it used to be.
[05:12] <dcolish> Taza, good luck with your issues
[05:13] <Taza> Ubuntu's the September That Never Ended of FreeNode, unfortunately. Sure it brought it to normal consumers, but well.
[05:14] <Taza> Summarization of my problems: Somehow when updating to 8.10 from 8.04, Xubuntu managed to lose both the kernel and icons.
[05:16] <Taza> I'm reinstalling it because a) it's faster than fixing it b) I have unnecessary files on my hard drive anyway c) clean installs always work better on Ubuntu.
[05:20] <dcolish> Taza, you're right, clean installs can be easier, but it would help us to know what went wrong. Could you possibly post a pastebin with your /var/log/dpkg.log output
[05:21] <Taza> No.
[05:21] <Taza> Which might actually give a hint. My /var/log/ empties itself every reboot.
[05:22] <Taza> Or well, to be specific, was a ramdisk
[05:22] <dcolish> Is there a reason for using a ramdisk for that volume?
[05:22] <Taza> Yes. SDD drive.
[05:25] <dcolish> Do you not have enough room on the drive for your logs? I'm pushy because there is almost no way to debug a system without the logs in that directory. Maybe you can boot and more them to a usb drive or are you having trouble mounting
[05:26] <Taza> Waitwhat?
[05:26] <Taza> Do you actually know a thing about Linux?
[05:26] <dcolish> Taza, that is a comment that is completely uncalled for.
[05:26] <Necrosan> Taza is a jerk.
[05:27] <Necrosan> Who needs help?
[05:27] <Taza> There is NOTHING except logs created on every bootup there
[05:27] <Taza> Necrosan: Well I don't anymore, I'm reinstalling
[05:27] <Taza> 8.10 ate my kernel and icons
[05:27] <Necrosan> Why is your /var/log setup incorrectly?
[05:27] <dcolish> Taza, lets say the problem is on shutdown, for example
[05:27] <Taza> SDD drive.
[05:27] <Taza> Necrosan: 'sides, "incorrectly"?
[05:27] <Taza> I worked hard to get it that way
[05:27] <Necrosan> That's wrong though.
[05:28] <Taza> Why so?
[05:28] <Necrosan> Why do you not want /var/log populated with useful information?
[05:28] <Taza> SDD drive.
[05:28] <Necrosan> #932965
[05:28] <Necrosan> What does that have to do with anything?
[05:28] <Necrosan> SDD drive == Regular drive
[05:28] <Necrosan> For most aspects.
[05:28] <Necrosan> And it's SSD.
[05:28] <Necrosan> Not SDD.
[05:29] <Necrosan> Duh.
[05:29] <Taza> Yeah, except for why you don't want /var/log set up that way
[05:29] <Taza> Yes, SSD, you're right there. Too bad you're clueless what the restrictions of the technology are.
[05:29] <Necrosan> I'm really not, Taza.
[05:29] <Necrosan> Explain to me what your problem is.
[05:29] <Necrosan> I DOUBT it has to do with the fact your disk is an SSD.
[05:29] <Taza> Ubuntu ate my kernel.
[05:29] <Necrosan> Probably PEBCAK.
[05:29] <Taza> Yeahreallynot
[05:30] <Taza> I've been using Linux for eight years now and I just ran the default update script
[05:30] <Necrosan> Sorry dude, you don't know how to configure your install properly.
[05:30] <dcolish> Necrosan, this is not helping
[05:30] <Necrosan> Sure.
[05:30] <Taza> Plus I have a SSD drive which means I do not want a normal /var/log
[05:30] <Necrosan> Elaborate on your problem, symptoms and hoohah.
[05:30] <Necrosan> Taza: WHY?
[05:30] <Taza> For obvious reasons, well, to anyone who knows more about SSD than "it's a drive"
[05:30] <Necrosan> Sure.
[05:30] <Necrosan> It's a big old flash disk.
[05:30] <Necrosan> For the most part.
[05:30] <Taza> SSD has limited write cycles. For the earlier models, such as I have, very limited.
[05:30] <Necrosan> Dude.
[05:31] <Taza> Plus this is soldered right in so I cannot switch it
[05:31] <Necrosan> Get a better drive?
[05:31] <Necrosan> What system is this?
[05:31] <Taza> It's a chip on the motherboard
[05:31] <Taza> Now get a clue and buzz off?
[05:31] <Necrosan> You get a clue.
[05:31] <Necrosan> You have told no one the situation.
[05:31] <Taza> Necrosan: Only five times past 2 hours
[05:31] <Necrosan> You came in ranting & raving about how you're an 8 year LINUX vet.
[05:31] <Taza> Necrosan: I've been on the channel for 2.5 hours
[05:31] <Necrosan> Reiterate again for me.
[05:32] <Taza> Explaining several times my problem.
[05:32] <Necrosan> My buffer is gong.
[05:32] <Necrosan> s/gong/gone
[05:32] <Taza> I updated from a perfectly working 8.04 system to 8.10
[05:32] <Necrosan> OK.
[05:32] <gnomefreak> Necrosan: Taza please either be helpful or better yet get back on topic and ignore each other.
[05:32] <Necrosan> Taza: What kind of system is this?
[05:32] <Taza> Rebooted, then went and removed linux-generic-whatever-version-8.04 uses.
[05:32] <Necrosan> Info, please.
[05:33] <Taza> It's a normal Xubuntu install, with /var/log set to disappear?
[05:33] <Necrosan> You booted in to the new kernel no problem?
[05:33] <Taza> I'm not sure.
[05:33] <Necrosan> Tell me about the SSD setup.
[05:33] <Taza> Then I noticed there's no kernel in grub.
[05:33] <Necrosan> Er.
[05:33] <Necrosan> Weird.
[05:33] <Taza> And I had to install linux-generic to get a kernel.
[05:33] <Necrosan> If I were you, I would do a fresh install. I haven't trusted any major rev OS updater in years.
[05:33] <Necrosan> Yeah, somethings messed up.
[05:33] <Taza> Thank heavens I noted it in time.
[05:33] <Necrosan> I'd blame it on Ubuntu.
[05:34] <Taza> Then the "a package manager is working" icon is around 256x256 pixels, where the NetworkManager and battery plugin icons don't appear at all
[05:34] <Taza> That's just the problems I detected in 10 minutes.
[05:34] <Necrosan> Reinstall. You're screwed.
[05:34] <Necrosan> Well, it's more work than its worth.
[05:34] <Taza> I did say I was reinstalling too
[05:34] <Necrosan> Definitely fixable, but I'd just backup what's critical and reinstall.
[05:34] <Necrosan> Sure, but a reinstall USUALLY isn't necessary.
[05:35] <Necrosan> In your condition it sounds like it would benefit all concerned parties.
[05:35] <gnomefreak> Necrosan: if you cant help him please dont comment since it is fixable (the bubble is pretty much gonne be the hard one since there is no setting to change size)
[05:35] <Taza> Necrosan: 'sides, before you go for the ad hominem I'd really start understanding what they talk about first.
[05:36] <Necrosan> gnomefreak: When Ubuntu breaks, it breaks bad.
[05:36] <Necrosan> I think we all can attest to that.
[05:36] <gnomefreak> Necrosan: no it doesnt
[05:37] <Necrosan> Really?
[05:37] <Necrosan> More Ubuntu installs have been broken  from updates than ANY major operating system.
[05:37] <Necrosan> I think that says something for its track record.
[05:37] <dcolish> Necrosan, I guess you dont use windows
[05:37] <Necrosan> I don't.
[05:37] <Necrosan> But Windows is in that quote.
[05:38] <Taza> Damnit. Paper-eating pussy in my bed. ;_;
[05:38] <Taza> 'tleast he didn't eat anything important
[05:38] <Necrosan> You got a cat, Taza?
[05:38] <dcolish> Is anyone here to actually FIX their system? Let me know, I'm around
[05:39] <gnomefreak> Taza: please dont use that kind of language
[05:39] <Taza> Necrosan: Cutest thing ever except when it's eating my papers.
[05:39] <Necrosan> dcolish: I may give my PS3 another WIFI enabling attempt.
[05:39] <Necrosan> Taza: I have no cat. I do have a woman though.
[05:39] <Necrosan> She's pretty warm, too.
[05:39] <Taza> gnomefreak: It's a pussy. And the neighbour has a cock too, but at least it's far enough I don't hear it every morning.
[05:39] <Taza> Animals.
[05:40] <dcolish> Necrosan, good luck with that. You know there is a linux driver package on the Marvell site.
[05:40] <gnomefreak> Taza: that doesnt change anything please dont use that language, if you want to talk about non ubuntu teck please join #xubuntu
[05:41] <Taza> gnomefreak: Offtopic, yes, vulgar language no.
[05:41] <gnomefreak> Taza: yes it is. that is last warning
[07:42] <knome> how can i force a pkg to be removed?
[07:42] <knome> i can't uninstal it, but it doesn't depepndonanythingandenythingdoesn't dependonit
[07:43] <knome> +spaces
[07:50] <knome> i get this output: http://paste.ubuntu.com/70365/
[07:55] <deoks> knome: Read Line 252 in the apt-get(8) manual page.
[07:57] <knome> deoks, output: paste line 17
[07:59] <deoks> But it will get removed if you forced it with apt-get as in the apt-get manual page? Or am I wrong?
[07:59] <knome> no, the Ãpkg still exists.
[08:06] <knome> solved. created dir /lib/modules/2.6.24-20-eeepc
[08:54] <knome> where is the xfce-terminal app icon?
[09:05] <wisthler_> hello
[09:06] <knome> hi
[09:06] <wisthler_> I've a problem with my wifi card
[09:06] <wisthler_> My computer see the wifi network
[09:07] <wisthler_> it can detect the kind of security (wpa in this case)
[09:07] <wisthler_> but it cannot join any network
[09:07] <wisthler_> (secure or not)
[09:09] <Wisthy> (sorry, probel with my connection)
[09:10] <Ultraputz> is it by chance a dlink router?
[09:10] <knome> Wisthy, the new network-manager doesn't allow you to join any wireless networks if you are connected to a wired.
[09:10] <Wisthy> I have two pc
[09:11] <Wisthy> it's a US Robotics router
[09:11] <Ultraputz> current firmware?
[09:12] <Wisthy> of the routeur ? I'll search
[09:14] <Wisthy> Runtime Code Version:
[09:14] <Wisthy>   0.08 (May 5 2006 19:19:46)
[09:14] <Wisthy> Boot Code Version:  0.03.00
[09:14] <Wisthy> Hardware Version:  01A
[09:14] <knome> ok, fully working xubuntu 8.10 on eeepc (though with old kernel)
[09:14] <Ultraputz> you can usually just go to their support page and check the current firmware release
[09:14] <Ultraputz> that's always first thing to check :-)
[09:16] <Ultraputz> goodnight folks. good luck
[09:16] <Wisthy> I'll check ...
[09:16] <Wisthy> thanks
[09:23] <kthakore> I keep getting "these settings cannot work with your current window manager(unknown)" when I try to open window manager settings
[09:24] <kthakore> I did xfwm4 --replace
[09:24] <kthakore> after using compiz
[09:49] <deus_> OH GOOD lord
[09:49] <deus_> ive suddenly lost my root priviliges
[09:50] <deus_> my user is not a sudoer
[09:50] <deus_> how could this happen
[09:58] <deus_> ok, no panic
[10:02] <deus_> This makes no sense it says that my user allready is in the admin group
[10:06] <ablomen> deus_, is your user a user that was created by anything/anyone other then the installer?
[10:14] <deus_> no
[11:11] <`r0ot> Hello
[11:16] <`r0ot> i need install wxwidgets from apt.wxwidgets.org so i have only dapper-wx/ & edgy-wx/ & etch-wx/ & feisty-wx/ & gutsy-wx/ & hardy-wx/ but my dis is intrepid, so i want ask what i can install in my system /
[11:25] <floating> how can i know in what dev grub is installed ?
[11:25] <floating> my grub is messed up somehow, and someone told me to look into grub-install . now i found a topic from ubuntu forum that mentions a command grub-install /dev/xxx
[11:26] <ablomen> floating, its talking about the device your bios looks at too boot
[11:27] <ablomen> floating, do you have any other os's on that pc?
[11:27] <floating> hmm, i wonder if i have to mount it also
[11:27] <floating> yeah, im currently on xp, since the xubuntu entries dont work
[11:27] <floating> so grub works in that sense, i can boot xp from it
[11:28] <floating> i have a live cd to access the commands to fix it i guess
[11:28] <floating> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=224351
[11:28] <ablomen> ok, well if it does that, you dont have to run the grub-install command
[11:28] <floating> theres some advices but
[11:28] <floating> but my grub is not normal mess up
[11:28] <ablomen> ok to get it clear, if you boot up your computer, you get the grub menu that lets you choose from windows and xubuntu?
[11:29] <floating> yeah
[11:29] <ablomen> and if you choose xubuntu, does it say anything?
[11:29] <floating> i upgraded to 810 from 804, but grub didnt update new kernel and xubuntu there
[11:29] <floating> it says error 17 cannot mount partition or smth
[11:30] <floating> then i tried sudo update-grub , it found new kernel but nothing was added to menu.lst
[11:30] <deus_> I cant seem to use the group settings in the gnome-control-panel
[11:31] <ablomen> i think its pointing to the wrong device
[11:31] <floating> then someone told a command to re-install new kernel i think, and there i chose to choose maintainers menu.lst, which led to this non-working xubuntu entry there
[11:31] <floating> in the actual upgrade i kept my menu.lst, and it had only 804 entry
[11:31] <sinbox> hi there, problem 1: add-remove application is stuck in a loop, what is the process name so I can kill it from the system monitor, or is that not a good idea?
[11:32] <ablomen> floating, ok so it got screwed up after you copied over a different menu.list?
[11:32] <floating> yeah, after that i cant boot to it yes
[11:33] <floating> but if i load the backed up menu.lst , i can load the old kernel boot entry
[11:33] <floating> and that doesnt work really, it is bugging
[11:33] <floating> some problems in xfce
[11:33] <floating> cuz its 8.10 with old kernel
[11:33] <ablomen> ok great then i think i know what your problem is
[11:34] <floating> i hope so:)
[11:34] <ablomen> in your menu.lst, near the bottom are all the entries that you can choose from right?
[11:35] <ablomen> in every entry there should be a line "root      (hd*,*)"
[11:35] <floating> umm yep, now im on windows, but i have upped them in pastebin few days ago, i can dig them
[11:35] <ablomen> oh yeah if you could get them that would help
[11:35] <floating> http://pastebin.ca/1249797
[11:36] <floating> umm, that is the grub that i have a backup version, but is not currently in use, that one can boot but with old kernel
[11:36] <ablomen> yeah i see :) do you have the other one as well?
[11:37] <floating> nope, i can boot to live-cd and look at it though
[11:37] <floating> i think
[11:37] <floating> ill do that, be back in few minutes or so
[11:37] <ablomen> ok
[11:39] <homebrewcider> hey there, since upgrading from xubuntu 8.04 to 8.10 my cam doesn't work on Kopete. I can go to the configure section and see it there, but my contacts can't see it, anybody else had this?
[11:43] <floating> umm, im struggling a bit. i believe i need to mount the /boot first
[11:44] <ablomen> yeah if its on its own partition you need to mount it
[11:45] <ablomen> otherwise you need to mount the partitions that has your xubuntu install on it
[11:45] <sinbox> hmmm gnome-app insta so that's sorted, now for problem 2:  Wireless problem: I got my wireless card to work, it does connect to the router, I can see it on the router, but I can't access any site on the net with it, I've added my ISP DNS servers in the DNS tab of the network settings but still no luck,  when doing an ifconfig I get this line: "inet addr:169.254.7.71 Bcast:169.254.255.255" which seems to me wrong as the network is actually a
[11:45] <sinbox> 192.168.1.x type any ideas how I can change that?
[11:48] <floating> i used fdisk -l to see my drives. there were 2 linux drives. i am able to mount the one which has only files with sudo mount -t ext3 /dev/sda7 /mnt/root ,but the other linux partition doesnt show any files if i mount it in same manner
[11:48] <ablomen> only files as in video etc?
[11:48] <ablomen> *documents
[11:49] <floating> silly me, sorry. i mounted it over the other ;')
[11:49] <ablomen> hehe
[11:50] <floating> http://pastebin.ca/1252994
[11:50] <ablomen> ok yeah theres your problem :)
[11:51] <ablomen> if you look at line 144 in your old file >> http://pastebin.ca/1249797 and 127 in your new file you see that the new one points to a different harddrive
[11:52] <ablomen> so you should change "root        (hd0,5)" to "root        (hd0,6)" in the new file
[11:52] <ablomen> then it should work
[11:52] <floating> aa
[11:53] <floating> ic ic. how about the linux kernel thing, it still points to the old one
[11:53] <floating>  Ubuntu 8.10, kernel 2.6.24-16-generic
[11:54] <ablomen> ok if you do ls /mnt/root/boot you should see the kernels
[11:55] <floating> woh, theres only that 24-16
[11:55] <floating> strange that the new should be installed, and in the old pastebin you can see the update-grub it still finds the new
[11:58] <floating> i tried to search linux-image in synaptic, and it also only finds 24-16
[11:58] <floating> can i try sudo update-grub from licve cd ?
[12:00] <ablomen> ugh i hate the version naming
[12:00] <ablomen> 8.10 was intrepid right
[12:00] <floating> yeah
[12:01] <ablomen> well that should have 2.6.27-7 if im right
[12:01] <ablomen> so update-grub wouldnt help
[12:02] <ablomen> you first need to install the new kernel
[12:02] <ablomen> so that means booting up the old kernel
[12:02] <ablomen> it should still work (at least terminal access etc)
[12:04] <floating> yeah, i have installed the new kernel twice, and it should be currently installed, but i guess the install didnt go well
[12:04] <sinbox> also: network monitor applet does not show the wireless adapter
[12:05] <floating> but i go to the old kernel from live cd ->
[12:08] <ablomen> floating, well first fix your grub file [ (0,5) to (0,6) ], boot into xubuntu, then check if your /etc/apt/sources.list actually points to interpid, sudo apt-get update, sudo apt-get install linux-image-2.6.27-7-386 or whatever the 64 bit equiviliant is if you run the 64bit version
[12:09] <ablomen> then check if it added everything to grub and reboot
[12:10] <floating> fixed grub to 0,6 and booted now. last time i installed the new kernel with this command : sudo apt-get remove --purge linux-image-2.6.27-7-generic && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:11] <floating> yup, they point to intrepid
[12:13] <floating> now installing linux-image-2.6.27-7-generic
[12:14] <floating> now during the install, it prompts a question about menu.lst, keep the old, or get the maintainers version, i guess i take the maintainers
[12:16] <ablomen> ok just make sure to check afterwords if its pointing to 0,5 again
[12:21] <floating> yeah, it wasnt, i booted up and got error 17, now on live cd :) .. but positive news... things seem to point to a new kernel now
[12:22] <ablomen> ah cool :)
[12:24] <ablomen> still weird though, if you have the time, you should write a bug report, about getting the wrong hd as root
[12:29] <floating> things work now, and even this one bug that i had during the boot-up of xubuntu has disappeared \o/  when i booted in 8.04, the loading bar stopped, and wouldnt continue before i made a keystroke with keyboard for some reason :) but now it loaded normally weeh
[12:29] <floating> big thanks to u
[12:30] <ablomen> wooh great news :)
[12:50] <juanantonio> Hello. Which is the less ressources consomation system for old systems, Xubuntu or Windows 98 SE? Of couse, I'm not referring to the horrible memory handling of the latter
[13:09] <floating> while at it, i thought that i could try fix my other problem, which is not xubuntu related, so i would like to ask if there is a irc channel that is related to this problem :)
[13:09] <floating> i get error from x-server and gdk: lkeyholetv:6956): Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_colormap_get_screen: assertion `GDK_IS_COLORMAP (cmap)' failed  ,when i try run this one program
[13:10] <ablomen> and what app is that?
[13:11] <floating> linux keyhole tv
[13:12] <floating> i emailed the author of the program and got following info, but i dont know how to do what he says :
[13:12] <floating> http://pastebin.ca/1253249
[13:14] <ablomen> heh havnt got a clue
[13:15] <floating> there is no channel called #gdk or #x-server o.o
[13:15] <ablomen> that would be #xorg
[13:15] <ablomen> but i cant imagine you having 256colors
[13:16] <ablomen> you would have noticed that ;)
[13:18] <ablomen> and gdk is part of gtk btw
[13:18] <floating> yeah.. i think i have many more :)
[13:21] <floating> do you know how i can check whether my gdk is old or new
[13:23] <floating> and graphics drivers.. i think xubuntu installed some default drivers to my laptops graphic card
[13:25] <floating> i dont even know what graphic card i have :o)
[13:35] <floating> is it usual to have many options for graphic drivers in linux ? i found out this for my card http://downloadcenter.intel.com/filter_results.aspx?strTypes=all&ProductID=1862&OSFullName=Linux*&lang=eng&strOSs=39&submit=Go!
[13:36] <floating> then at the website for linux drivers for intel, it starts with " Compiling and/or upgrading graphics drivers in Linux is a complex and error-prone task."
[13:39] <ablomen> well but you shouldnt have to compile
[13:40] <ablomen> what card do you have? (lspci)
[13:40] <floating> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 915GM/GMS/910GML Express Graphics Controller (rev 04)
[13:43] <ablomen> xserver-xorg-video-intel - X.Org X server -- Intel i8xx, i9xx display driver < dont know if  your card is in the i9** series
[13:43] <TheSheep> floating: that driver is included in xubuntu alredy
[13:44] <floating> this app im trying to run fails because of gdk/x-server problem, and author says that i could try changing graphic card drivers if possible
[13:45] <floating> but first i would try check my gdk version if it is old, but cant find out how.. using google
[13:45] <TheSheep> apt-cache policy package-name-here
[13:47] <floating> i dont know the package name
[13:48] <floating> http://pastebin.ca/1253249 heres the things i could try do but.. well, im almost done
[13:48] <floating> i must have over 256 colors, so thats not it
[13:52] <floating> ablomen: xserver-xorg-video-intel seems to be installed
[13:53] <ablomen> yeah it should be
[13:53] <ablomen> it might be enabled already too
[13:54] <ablomen> could you try grep "Driver" /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[13:55] <floating> i get only kbd, mouse and synaptics entries
[13:57] <floating> im using dual-screen system, so my resolution is 1680x1050
[13:57] <floating> put another screen next to other with xrandr
[13:58] <floating> is it possible that this eats all the colors ? the author says that "or if other application uses a lot of colors"
[14:01] <floating> theres 1900x800 as a virtual size actually
[14:17] <juanantonio> Hello. Which is the less ressources consomation system for old systems, Xubuntu or Windows 98 SE? Of couse, I'm not referring to the horrible memory handling of the latter
[14:40] <MrNaz> i'm trying to use the xfce4-mixer to turn the mic volume up, but every time i raise it above zero, the slider "snaps" back down
[14:40] <MrNaz> what's the story ?
[14:46] <Shoopuf> MrNaz: That's a pretty common problem, I've seen it in Ubuntu for years... It has to do with the audio software...
[14:47] <MrNaz> umm... no shit eh
[14:47] <Shoopuf> MrNaz: Mine does that too, but not only the microphone volume... All volume sliders bounce up and down erraticaly from maximum to minimum -- making changing volume a difficult task.
[14:47] <MrNaz> any idea how to resolve it ?
[14:52] <damien> i'm running xubuntu 8.04 and i'm having some trouble setting up a nice dark theme
[14:53] <damien> i'm using Aurora-midnight theme
[14:53] <damien> but the title bars are blue and i can't work out how to change that
[14:53] <damien> and still keep the nice darkness
[14:54] <TheSheep> damien: use a different window manager theme
[14:56] <damien> they all bring with them this odd blue colour
[14:56] <ablomen> or, if you installed it to your ~/.themes directory, edit the ~/.themes/ThemeName/themerc file
[14:56] <damien> they are default themes
[14:57] <ablomen> ah
[14:57] <ablomen> well you could try finding the src archive and extracting that to your ~/.themes folder then you can edit the name and change what you want to change
[14:58] <damien> some window manager themes are more suitable and dont have the crazy blue, ill stick with those for the time being
[14:59] <damien> is it "bad" to use the GTK+ theme plugin in Pidgin to manipulate the colours?
[15:35] <dissociative> how can I change the locale setting in xubuntu 8.10?
[16:23] <Woo> I have a sh file in my home folder, how can I install it?
[16:24] <dcolish> Woo: have you read the script to see what it does?
[16:25] <Woo> No
[16:25] <dcolish> Did it come from a source you trust?
[16:25] <Woo> Yes
[16:25] <Woo> http://boinc.berkeley.edu/download_all.php
[16:26] <dcolish> ok chmod +x <the script> then run sudo ./<thescript>
[16:38] <Taza> Well, I found the icon bug.
[16:38] <Taza> It used old icons.
[17:16] <Woo> run sudo ./boinc_6.2.15_i686-pc-linux-gnu.sh gives me command not found
[18:18] <Taza> Intrepid Ibex and bt are not working together
[18:39] <ketsueki^> Hello all!
[18:39] <privet_> what is the default application to connect/browse SAMBA shares with?
[18:39] <ketsueki^> Please tell me, how can I manually add an icon to the "applications" branch of the XFCE menu?
[18:39] <privet_> (except for smbclient itself!)
[18:40] <ketsueki^> I installed an application from .deb package, it works fine and I can run it from the terminal.
[18:40] <ketsueki^> But still there's no icon present to run it automaticaly.
[18:41] <dcolish> ketsueki^: you're looking for a launcher http://www.xfce.org/documentation/4.0/manuals/xfce4-panel#subpanels
[18:42] <dcolish> you should use the xfce4-menueditor
[18:46] <ketsueki^> ok, I'll check it out, thanks
[18:49] <Taza> Blech
[18:49] <Taza> NetworkManager is double-retarded in 8.10
[18:51] <dcolish> Taza: if you dont like NM, try out wicd. I dont know if it supports ppp scripts, but I like it for general wifi/ether config
[18:51] <Taza> "Try out this. It may or may not even try to do what you want to do."
[18:51] <Taza> I like NM, it just doesn't do mobile connections even halfway right
[18:52] <Taza> I have my phone connected via bluetooth at /dev/rfcomm0
[18:52] <Taza> Does NM even allow adding the device? No.
[19:34] <Ultraputz> banshee not opening soma fm since the 8.10 update. any one got any ideas?
[19:34] <Ultraputz> similar issues?
[19:35] <Ultraputz> good morning dcolish
[19:35] <dcolish> Hey Ultraputz
[19:40] <romanov_> **Hello, I'm in xubuntu and I want to share my internet connection with a windows xp desktop, What I Must do ?
[19:44] <Ultraputz> rom - get a router
[19:47] <dcolish> romanov_: you will have to configure your linux system as a gateway for the windows system. How many nics do you have on the linux box?
 only one nick
[19:49] <dcolish> romanov_: sorry i mean nic, network interface card, ethernet/wifi adapters
 I have 1 ADSL modem and two network cards : 1 in my xubuntu computer and 1 in win xp computer
[19:53] <dcolish> romanov_:  well you're one piece of equipment short. you need another nic in one of those computers or a separate routing device. if the modem can route(which is doubtful) then you'll only need a switch
 the two computers are connected with ordinary wire
[19:55] <dcolish> romanov_: to each other? if so with what? it should be a crossover cable
 yes
[19:57] <TheSheep> romanov_: google for masquerade
[19:57] <Taza> Ultraputz: I reinstalled
[19:57] <Taza> Ultraputz: Only problems I had were Bluetooth and having to install a 3rd party kernel for the device drivers
[19:58] <Ultraputz> otherwise a-ok ?
[19:58] <Taza> Yeah
[19:58] <Ultraputz> if anyone wants to take a look at my banshee problem, here's output  http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/m75e56e0a   :-)
 so I nead to have separated connection for the two desktop with a switch from the modem
[19:58] <Ultraputz> rock on
[19:58] <Taza> NM is still as retarded as ever, so I copied over my /etc/chatscripts and /etc/ppp/peers/
[19:58] <Ultraputz> so it's a happy little box again?
[19:58] <Ultraputz> ok
[19:59] <Taza> Devices are working. Not returned my software config yet
[19:59] <Taza> What's the proper way to remap caps lock to pipe btw?
[19:59] <Ultraputz> you might write a script that backs up what you had to mess with ... just in case :-)
[19:59] <Ultraputz> hang on
[19:59] <Taza> I don't need the caps lock key and pipe is behind a function key making it hard to use
[19:59] <dcolish> romanov_: unless your modem can act as a router, no. the linux box can act as a gateway if you can attach the modem to it either with ethernet or usb
[20:00] <Ultraputz> i actually have some custom bindings, but i can't remember where i put 'em
 ok so no mean to do this like an windows -> linux connection
[20:01] <romanov_>  <dcolish> by a software
[20:01] <dcolish> romanov_: not sure what is going where but ideally it should be <modem> -> <router/linuxbox> -> windows
[20:02] <Taza> Ultraputz: BTW, the solution to The Big Bluetooth Pairing Problem - switch to an earlier kernel *version* (not just revision), run bluetooth-wizard, revert back to the new kernel
[20:02] <Ultraputz> how did you figure that out?
[20:03] <Taza> By fetching out the info from a dozen threads. Was a pain.
[20:04] <Ultraputz> cam
[20:04] <Ultraputz> can't find it atm, but i think setxkbmap or something?
[20:05] <Ultraputz> xmodmap
[20:05] <Ultraputz> that's it
[20:05] <romanov_>  <dcolish> ok thank you for these informations ...
[20:05] <Ultraputz> i use xmodmap to remap the buttons on my maus
[20:06] <Ultraputz> and also to remap the keyboard so it's familiar to an old NeXT user :-)
[20:06] <dcolish> romanov_: np, good luck with the routing. You can pick up cheap routers anywhere, but setting up the linux routing should be easy enough
[20:06] <Ultraputz> (shift-esc = ~, etc.)
[20:10] <Guest93212> hello?
[20:10] <Ultraputz> (everyone stay quiet until Guest93212 has left.) :-)
[20:10] <Guest93212> ha ha
[20:10] <Guest93212> :)
[20:11] <Guest93212> Got a question and don't know who to ask - was told there were some nice people here
[20:12] <dcolish> Guest93212: ask away please
[20:12] <Ultraputz> nice? no. we just wait for you to explain your problem in detail and they laugh very loudly. :-)
[20:12] <Ultraputz> we then
[20:12] <Ultraputz> er then
[20:12] <Guest93212> just installed xubuntu but can't get it to recognise the server on my network
[20:12] <Ultraputz> which server?
[20:13] <Guest93212> home network - I'm on Wifi which it clearly recognises as I'm talking to you now on that
[20:13] <Guest93212> won't pick up my files on a Windows machine which I'm using as a network server
[20:13] <Ultraputz> oh
[20:14] <Guest93212> My ubuntu machine does
[20:14] <Guest93212> Doesn't seem to recognise the network is there except to get on the internet
[20:14] <Ultraputz> ok
[20:14] <dcolish> Guest93212: can you ping/traceroute the network server?
[20:15] <Ultraputz> what windows version? xp/vista?
[20:15] <Hikefu> Do you have samba installed?
[20:15] <Guest93212> ok - I'm an ubuntu virgin - talk me through
[20:15] <Guest93212> server runs win XP
[20:16] <Hikefu> I'm not sure about getting working on Xubuntu, I use Ubuntu most of the time. But if you can't get it here, there should be people to help in $ubuntu
[20:17] <Ultraputz> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpSamba
[20:17] <Guest93212> just checking to see if samba is installed - will synaptic tell me?
[20:17] <Ultraputz> that's a nice overview
[20:17] <Ultraputz> sort of
[20:17] <Hikefu> Yes, it will.
[20:17] <Ultraputz> it will tell you whether or not the packages are installed
[20:17] <Ultraputz> whether or not they're working / set up is another question :-)
[20:17] <Guest93212> box is not checked - could be that then?
[20:18] <Ultraputz> might read the overview first
[20:18] <Ultraputz> according to it, that should do it
[20:18] <Ultraputz> that's for server though
[20:18] <Ultraputz> you may want a samba client
[20:19] <Ultraputz> in that case, you use something called smbclient / smbfs
[20:19] <Hikefu> from command line, sudo apt-get install samba or just check same and apply the change
[20:19] <Guest93212> installing now...
[20:19] <Ultraputz> hike - that's to set up the samba server?
[20:19] <Ultraputz> only if you want computer to be a domain controller?
[20:19] <Guest93212> ah
[20:19] <Hikefu> Oh
[20:19] <Hikefu> Maybe
[20:19] <Hikefu> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=304131
[20:19] <Ultraputz> hike - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpSamba
[20:20] <Hikefu> this link is for window shares -- you might need to dig a bit to get to something recent.
[20:20] <Hikefu> It's for doing it in thunar
[20:21] <Ultraputz> (thunar is the file browser window in xubuntu)
[20:22] <Hikefu> so Guest93212, it would work similar to Nautilus file manager in Ubuntu, where you can just click on the network icon.
[20:22] <Guest93212> just following - that's what I'm hoping
[20:23] <Hikefu> Though on Ubuntu, it's all installed by default, so I'm happy :)
[20:23] <Hikefu> I'd check in #ubuntu if you have more problems too. There are a lot of good guys in there.
[20:24] <Guest93212> now I've got Samba according to synaptic there still is nothing to click on for my network
[20:24] <Guest93212> I'll check those links you sent
[20:25] <Guest93212> (see, there really are nice people in here) :-)
[20:28] <Guest93212> Thanks for your help - those links look promising - bye
[20:29] <dcolish> have any of you tried xsmbrowser?
[20:29] <volo> hi
[20:30] <Ultraputz> nope
[20:30] <Ultraputz> hey volo
[21:17] <Guits_> I tried to install xubuntu on usbdrv ...cannot get it right
[21:17] <Guits_> is it supposed to be booting into live cd menu
[21:21] <Guits_> what do i do next
[21:55] <privet_> why would "copy&paste" on a xterm not be working?
[21:55] <privet_> I copy on a xterm and trying to paste into firefox
[21:56] <crimsun> xterm has different behaviour
[21:56] <crimsun> if the selected area scrolls between copying and attempting to paste, the paste will silently fail
[21:59] <privet_> crimsun: no- happens even when it is not scrolling
[21:59] <crimsun> hmm, what are you copying from?
[22:00] <crimsun> I can't reproduce the behaviour
[22:00] <privet_> crimsun: just text from a logfile running inside a xterm
[22:00] <privet_> hhmmmm
[22:00] <privet_> I am running on 8.1
[22:00] <privet_> thanks anyway
[22:01] <crimsun> what about from external to the logfile?
[22:01] <crimsun> I can't reproduce this in any terminal emulator into ff, actually
[22:01] <vidd> what is the command to fix grub?
[22:03] <privet_> xterm to xterm works...
[22:06] <dcolish> vidd: sudo grub-install <dev> this is a good thread on it http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=862235
[23:59] <juanantonio> Hello, there someone?
[23:59] <vidd> hello juanantonio