[00:12] ok, it is working now [00:13] Also my monitor on other machine stopped using dpms to turn off after screensaver [00:13] therefore, it never turns-off automatically [00:16] WHy in the nine hells is there different sound settings based on window manager [00:40] hey i was jus trying to change my computer name, and cant find applications-system-networking they havnt changed it in 8.10 hav they? [00:41] spowney: don't know, but you could edit your /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts files manually [00:42] hi there, do you need to use ndiswrapper for a broadcom chipset BCM4306 on xubuntu 8.04? [00:43] bad_: not really. i used b43-fwcutter. [00:43] it is easier to set up b43 if you have a wired internet connection available... [00:44] zoredache: ty for help, quicker to do that than carry on searching, no idea where it is nowadays [00:46] well I do have a wired connection right now I'll lookup that b43-fwcutter thingmajig, thanks Odd-rationale [00:47] can I get this through add-remoce, synaptic or does it have to be cli to install it? [00:49] bad_: from synaptics [00:49] *synaptic [00:49] thanks again [00:53] and I've got liftoff [00:53] :) [01:19] actually not [01:19] never mind too late for now I'll be back [02:02] how a return to xfce 4.4.2 [02:03] how to return to xfce 4.4.2 [02:04] from 4.6.0 [02:04] Which Xubuntu are you running? [02:04] 8.10 [02:05] whit 4.6 [02:05] but [02:05] i don't like it to much [02:05] i want to return to the stable version [02:06] I'm not sure if you can do it easily. [02:06] Without downgrading. [02:06] To Hardy. [02:06] i wanto downgrade it [02:06] Well I don't think you can downgrade from 8.10 to 8.04 without reinstalling. [02:07] no of course not [02:07] from the repo [02:07] You'd be better off backing things up and just reinstalling Hardy. [02:07] to risky [02:08] Unless you could install Ubuntu 8.10 and then download XFCE 4.4.2 from somewhere and install it overtop of that. [02:08] maybe if i uninstall the xubuntu a reinstalling disabling the repo sour of 4.6 [02:09] I would assume that the only source of XFCE in xubuntu is one with 4.6; I use Ubuntu though, and Crunchbang linux with Openbox. [02:09] I'm not an expert. [02:10] If you need something lightweight, you should try out Crunchbang. It's basically Ubuntu with no gnome, just openbox, and it comes with more preinstalled apps than any ubuntu variant. [02:10] istn't 'more preinstalled apps' conflicting with 'lightweight'? [02:11] How so? [02:11] Number of apps makes less difference. [02:11] It's the type of apps. [02:11] kazexe: I think you can just uninstall teh xfce packages and install the 4.4.0 from regular repository [02:12] crunchbag [02:12] he? [02:12] http://www.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/photo.php?pid=173158&id=1307239503 [02:12] I have some screenshots there. [02:12] I understand what you're talking about TheSheep, the apps are lightweight, it uses xfce for some things too. [02:13] But it comes with a lot of lightweight multimedia, editing, apps... ones people use, not just crappy default ones. [02:14] Hikefu: so what does it have for editing images? [02:14] hold on, I'm in ubuntu now... I have an app list somewhere. [02:15] http://crunchbang.org/wiki/crunchbang-linux-8-dot-04-dot-02-applications-list/ [02:15] It's hands down the best implementation of openbox that I've seen [02:16] so it's GIMP [02:16] how original :) [02:17] LOL, well, there really isn't much else I guess. [02:18] I'm not even sure why I bother. I have 2 gb of ram... I just like running something different. [02:18] Hikefu: why would I need a... palette designer? [02:18] or a color picker asa separate application? [02:18] Well the guy just remastered his ubuntu setup, and he's into design... so it's there just in case I guess. [02:19] for me lightweight means 'with no useless parts' :) [02:20] I guess you could say that. For me, lightweight is more about the performance and footprint of running apps. [02:20] You using intrepid xubuntu? [02:21] how to uninstall xfce [02:21] sudo apt-get remove xubuntu-desktop -- but that won't get rid of apps that might depend on xfce 4.6. [02:22] maybe aptitude remove xubuntu-desktop? [02:23] kazexe:just search for 'xfce' in synaptic [02:23] kazexe: and unistall the packages that have 4.6.0 version [02:27] i'm doing that right noe [02:29] hi guys [02:29] I would like to run a gnome app called netspeed, will this require installing all of the gnome dependencies? [02:30] I think gnome-system-monitor is included with xubuntu by default, does this mean I have gnome deps installed already? [02:35] i downloaded xfce 4.4.3 [02:36] graphical installer [02:36] for my intrepid hope it works [02:40] Hello People. [02:40] Hello People. [02:41] do people use Skype for convs? [02:42] xubuser: some people do [02:48] how to install gtk+ [02:51] clear [03:02] having trouble getting banshee to play off of somafm, getting this: [03:02] Banshee.Playlists.Formats.InvalidPlaylistException: An application exception has occurred. [03:03] at Banshee.Playlists.Formats.PlaylistParser.Parse (Banshee.Base.SafeUri uri) [0x00000] [03:03] at Banshee.Streaming.RadioTrackInfo.LoadStreamUri (System.String uri) [0x00000] [03:05] !pastebin | Ultraputz [03:05] Ultraputz: pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu.com (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic) [03:13] Uh, can anyone give me a pastebin of the default post-install 8.10 /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist ? [03:13] I managed to destroy mine [03:19] xfce repo [03:20] taza - [03:20] http://paste.ubuntu.com/70292/ [03:20] xubuntu repo [03:20] Thanks [03:23] Hmm. Very not good. I ran "apt-get remove linux-image-2.6.24*" to free disk space, just upgraded to 8.10 [03:23] ... aand I suddenly see no kernel in grub [03:24] since 8.10, banshee won't play somafm, here. [03:24] I still see the folder for 2.6.27-7-generic under /lib/modules but not in grub... [03:25] This bad, even I can see that much. :p [03:27] xubuntu resotory [03:28] Fix'd, linux-generic was not installed. [03:28] This is not what I'd like to do but it (somewhat) works [03:35] reinstalling xubuntu [03:35] from ubuntu [03:36] dependeny error thunar a xfcedestop [03:42] Does Xubuntu have a minimum requirement as far as CPU speed is concerned? [03:46] i solved thanxs [03:51] How can 8.10 be THIS buggy? [03:52] I mean Jesus Christ. The taskbar icon for "a package manager is working" takes half of my taskbar [03:52] Taza: because ubuntu sucks horridly [03:52] aks me how i feel taza [03:52] maxamillion: Well I knew that, but lord knows the Feeedora sucked more [03:52] aks me [03:52] How do you feel? [03:53] Taza: what is your qualm with fedora? [03:53] I feel like shit [03:53] Nothing - just all fedora eee distroes have been horrible [03:53] Taza: ohhhhh for the eee [03:54] * maxamillion missed that part [03:54] It forgot the damn KERNEL. THE KERNEL. [03:54] My network manager is nowhere to be found, neither is my battery monitor [03:55] Taza: you should install debian ... they have solid support for the eee [03:55] Taza: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC [03:55] It was working fine short of the wifi and overclocking before [03:57] yeah, i didn't overclock mine and my wifi worked out of the box with debian [03:57] i ran the sid branch [03:57] I need to overclock [03:58] I've got one of the Bad Batch SDHC drives. [04:01] oh ouch [04:03] network-manager isn't working either. ;_; [04:06] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yC1d1SCieis&feature=related [04:08] taskbar's broken, as broken as it can be. [04:09] NetworkManager, battery don't show up, the "a package manager is working" icon is ~*20 larger than it should be - whereas the "reboot" and "updates are available" work normally [04:11] taza - sounds like more is wrong than the linux kernal being removed === Pomiel is now known as DCPom [04:12] icon sizes being wonky sounds like bad symlinks [04:12] Ultraputz: Yeah, but wtf can I do? [04:12] This was a relatively normal 8.04 install, perfectly working, and when I updated to 8.10 everything's broken suddenly. [04:12] i'd hope TheSheep were awake to provide his sage wisdom, and barring that, get the data off and just reinstall. [04:13] All I did was use the update manager to update to 8.10 and "apt-get remove linux-image-2.6.24*" [04:13] What's the default battery applet in Xfce? [04:13] have you rebooted thge machine since you did that? [04:13] Yes [04:13] and it came up? [04:14] I updated to 8.10, rebooted, did "apt-get remove linux-image-2.6.24*", did not reboot because I noticed warning messages, did "apt-get install linux-generic" after that, rebooted [04:14] It's came up to desktop every time, just everything is weirdly wonky [04:15] gimme a bullet list of symptoms -- icons wonky, what else? [04:16] Device set to appear in /dev/SDHC doesn't - in fact, the SD reader drive doesn't appear at all even under fdisk -l [04:16] No task bar icons for battery / network manager. [04:16] did you try putting the old kernal back ? :-) [04:16] AmaroK complains about missing Perl components [04:18] Icons wonky, sd card reader missing, network manager and battery missing from taskbar - AmaroK appears okay though. [04:18] Kernel was missing when I installed. [04:18] As was linux-generic [04:19] i'm just saying, did you try installing what you'd removed just to see? [04:19] How would I do that? [04:20] "apt-get install linux-image-2.6.24-21-generic"? [04:20] ja... [04:20] unless someone else thinks that's an exceptionally bad idea :-) [04:20] how much stuff is on there that is non-system [04:20] Cannot in 8.10 [04:20] hrm. [04:21] did you try just dropping to maintenance shell and running fsck ? [04:21] A fair bit of configuration files, and some older kernel modules. [04:21] Aaand how would I do that? Close X? [04:21] heck, how do you kill just X under Xubuntu 8.10? [04:21] you reboot, hit esc when grub comes up and select the maintenance version of whatever kernal you're running [04:21] it should come up a # prompt [04:21] run fsck [04:21] then do shutdown -r now [04:21] Yeahyeah, I wasn't just familiar with "maintenance shell" [04:22] sorry, oldschool here :-) [04:22] Uh [04:22] I'm running SDD [04:22] eee pc or something ? [04:22] Yup [04:23] no experience with such systems, dunno the ins and outs of sdd-based systems. [04:23] fsck says everything is okay [04:23] i'm sure you tried looking on ubuntu forums ? [04:23] Yeah, no help there [04:23] how much of a pain is reinstallation? [04:24] Well, right now? Lots. In six days? Not much. [04:24] Guess I should have waited 'till six days later updating... [04:24] oh, you're away from your desktop [04:25] No, I'm not actually. [04:25] I'm writing this from my desktop. I should go travelling today with my laptop [04:25] when why is backup and reinstall a pain? [04:25] you can torrent install media if you don't have it already pretty d*** fast [04:25] Because I need to do a fair bit of adjustments. [04:26] sounds like you're in for that already [04:26] Eh, I suppose [04:27] you could back up most of your configs by just backing up home [04:27] I still don't get how the fsck this happened [04:27] me either. that's why i'm suggesting reinstall -- i mean, i'm sure it's an interestingproblem -- how much research do you want to do before you can use your laptop for fun stuff? :-) [04:28] fwiw, i keep an image of my laptop hdd on the desktop so that, if something horrific happens, it's just unroll and go. [04:28] including drive replacements [04:28] Blech. [04:28] those things are tiny, if sdd, it's gotta be under 8g, ja? [04:28] Yup [04:28] that's not painful... [04:29] I could have booted off one USB stick (got a spare 256 one) and backup to a 8gb stick if I compress [04:29] or just get on the network, dump your home directory, and reinstall :-) [04:29] booting off the stick is how you'd launch a restore op anyway... [04:29] Hokay [04:30] NetworkManager IS there [04:30] It's icon is just lost [04:30] ... [04:30] Fuck this, I'm reinstalling. ;_; [04:30] you could also get a dead chicken, a maraca... a grass skirt... [04:30] The chicken has to be LIVE to sacrifice to the gods of updating [04:30] Plus you forgot the goat [04:30] no, i was going to keep the goat.... for other... uses. [04:31] taza means 'fresh' in either turkish or egyptian-arabic. i can't remember which. [04:31] Turkish. Also "pot" in Spanish [04:31] beauty :-) [04:32] pot as in the plant or pot as in the thing soup is made in? [04:32] The thing soup is made in. Unfortunately. [04:33] On the upside, anything caring about file permissions in my home folder is already on my ext2-formatted SDHC [04:34] beauty [04:34] so it's punch and go, almost. [04:34] minus the annoying itch of defeat :-) [04:34] All I need to do is to copy /home to a vfat-formatted stick [04:35] Frankly, you learn to get over defeat in favor of getting a working system pretty quickly [04:35] ja. [04:36] at any minute, this crap-castle netvista may plunge through the floorboards, but that's ok, it syncs with two other boxes. all three of them are shakey, but odds are, one will survive anything but a meteor strike. :-) [04:37] I mean, no kernel, whacked icons... whatever it is, it'd need deep wizardry to fix [04:37] 21% of xubuntu-8.10-desktop-i386.iso downloaded [04:37] via torrent? [04:38] Via ftp [04:38] via torrent, i had it in like 8-10 minutes. [04:38] Yeah, but I didn't bother to find the torrent link. :P [04:38] It's downloading at my connection's max speed anyway, so eh [04:38] lazy, cheeky. a man after my own heart. :-) [04:39] And I just remembered the hardest part. ;_; [04:39] Fixing my pppd / bluetooth settings [04:39] ppp... [04:39] dialip? [04:39] up? [04:39] or dsl ? [04:39] Just old-fashioned dialup in a new way [04:39] 3g [04:39] I did say I was going travelling [04:40] in turkmenistan? :-) [04:40] Please. [04:40] It's 3g dialup [04:40] Old thing here but brand new in the states [04:41] hey, i'd go. some really cool archeology being done there at the moment. [04:41] Ya know what 3g is? [04:41] don't keep up with phone tech [04:41] Yup. The reason the new iPhone is iPhone 3g [04:41] yeah, i knew it was an improved gsm or something [04:42] i hate cellphones. i have a tiny little POS phone that is usually off. [04:42] Dude [04:42] 3g here is awesome+++ [04:42] It's basically a broadband-speed ppp mobile connection [04:42] i think its the part about having microwave burst transmitters next to my abdominal organs and head that bothers me. [04:43] Taza, this is better suited for #xubuntu-offtopic [04:44] dc - you have any helpful ideas to contribute maybe? [04:44] dcolish: Well, 3g is still on subject for Xubuntu given I need to configure Xubuntu to support i [04:44] * it [04:44] ok well then lets talk about that [04:45] Which it tries to do by default and falls really flat on it's face [04:45] Taza, thats not going to solve the issue. If you explain the problem we can help you or at least try [04:46] NetworkManager doesn't allow the use of a custom ppp script for specific devices [04:46] Happy? ;p [04:47] Which means I need to manually start my ppp connections via pppd and networkmanager doesn't recognize them, and always sets Firefox in offline mode when I'm using the ppp connection [04:47] Of course [04:49] Now, if you're going to be so anal retentive about THE TOPIC AND NOTHING BUT THE TOPIC, can you contribute? [04:49] Taza, you should watch your language and your attitude [04:49] You an op, I assume? [04:50] dcolish - give some leeway -- maybe someone with a problem might be exceptionally frustrated? [04:50] I am trying to help moderate a forum for open discussion of issues [04:51] dcolish: It's impossible for me to watch my attitude due to a neurological problem btw. Show some respect towards the disabled. [04:51] (And yes, that's a real condition I really have.) [04:52] Taza, why do you need a custom ppp script? Is that part of the 3g providers connection parameters? [04:52] Yes. [04:52] What version of NM are you running currently? [04:52] The whole script is actually over at the Finnish wiki [04:52] I wouldn't know [04:52] you can version it from command line i think [04:52] Given that, well, my kernel and half of my software just disappeared there and I'm preparing to reinstall [04:53] it's network-manager --version it hink ? [04:53] No and no [04:53] Taza, is this similar to your issue? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/116696 [04:54] Aptitude says 0.7~~svn2 [04:54] More or less [04:55] Though, I haven't gotten Intrepid Ibex to work yet [04:55] Because it had a disappearing kernel trick and icons were lost [04:55] By disappearing, what do you mean? [04:55] dcolish: BTW, this is not on topic - but do make friends with rej of #gentoo fame, you might find the community more inviting to yourself. [04:56] I mean the "package manager is working" icon is around... twenty times larger than normal [04:56] And networkmanager/battery applet icons are not there at all [04:56] Ultraputz: Do you think I need to backup other places than /etc (for selective migration) and /home ? === Pomiel is now known as DCPom [04:57] dcolish: Also, I find something a bit curious. Was Ubuntu the first distro you started contributing towards? [04:58] not really [04:58] i wouldn't bother [04:58] because whatever it is, unless you've got weird custom kernal mods or something... [04:58] Yeah well I have to compile those kernel by kernel anyway [04:58] And all others are already as debs for ibex except one. [04:59] dcolish: I updated to 8.10, it forgot having a kernel (linux-generic) got uninstalled, and after that both device support - heck, an USB drive is missing - and task bar icons have gotten certain small birds upwardly inclined. [05:11] dcolish: Now, did you interrupt our tech discussion that is still relevant to the channel without having anything to contribute nor any replacing more on-topic discussion it could have bothered? Tsk. [05:12] O tempora o mores. Ain't like it used to be. [05:12] Taza, good luck with your issues [05:13] Ubuntu's the September That Never Ended of FreeNode, unfortunately. Sure it brought it to normal consumers, but well. [05:14] Summarization of my problems: Somehow when updating to 8.10 from 8.04, Xubuntu managed to lose both the kernel and icons. [05:16] I'm reinstalling it because a) it's faster than fixing it b) I have unnecessary files on my hard drive anyway c) clean installs always work better on Ubuntu. [05:20] Taza, you're right, clean installs can be easier, but it would help us to know what went wrong. Could you possibly post a pastebin with your /var/log/dpkg.log output [05:21] No. [05:21] Which might actually give a hint. My /var/log/ empties itself every reboot. [05:22] Or well, to be specific, was a ramdisk [05:22] Is there a reason for using a ramdisk for that volume? [05:22] Yes. SDD drive. [05:25] Do you not have enough room on the drive for your logs? I'm pushy because there is almost no way to debug a system without the logs in that directory. Maybe you can boot and more them to a usb drive or are you having trouble mounting [05:26] Waitwhat? [05:26] Do you actually know a thing about Linux? [05:26] Taza, that is a comment that is completely uncalled for. [05:26] Taza is a jerk. [05:27] Who needs help? [05:27] There is NOTHING except logs created on every bootup there [05:27] Necrosan: Well I don't anymore, I'm reinstalling [05:27] 8.10 ate my kernel and icons [05:27] Why is your /var/log setup incorrectly? [05:27] Taza, lets say the problem is on shutdown, for example [05:27] SDD drive. [05:27] Necrosan: 'sides, "incorrectly"? [05:27] I worked hard to get it that way [05:27] That's wrong though. [05:28] Why so? [05:28] Why do you not want /var/log populated with useful information? [05:28] SDD drive. [05:28] #932965 [05:28] What does that have to do with anything? [05:28] SDD drive == Regular drive [05:28] For most aspects. [05:28] And it's SSD. [05:28] Not SDD. [05:29] Duh. [05:29] Yeah, except for why you don't want /var/log set up that way [05:29] Yes, SSD, you're right there. Too bad you're clueless what the restrictions of the technology are. [05:29] I'm really not, Taza. [05:29] Explain to me what your problem is. [05:29] I DOUBT it has to do with the fact your disk is an SSD. [05:29] Ubuntu ate my kernel. [05:29] Probably PEBCAK. [05:29] Yeahreallynot [05:30] I've been using Linux for eight years now and I just ran the default update script [05:30] Sorry dude, you don't know how to configure your install properly. [05:30] Necrosan, this is not helping [05:30] Sure. [05:30] Plus I have a SSD drive which means I do not want a normal /var/log [05:30] Elaborate on your problem, symptoms and hoohah. [05:30] Taza: WHY? [05:30] For obvious reasons, well, to anyone who knows more about SSD than "it's a drive" [05:30] Sure. [05:30] It's a big old flash disk. [05:30] For the most part. [05:30] SSD has limited write cycles. For the earlier models, such as I have, very limited. [05:30] Dude. [05:31] Plus this is soldered right in so I cannot switch it [05:31] Get a better drive? [05:31] What system is this? [05:31] It's a chip on the motherboard [05:31] Now get a clue and buzz off? [05:31] You get a clue. [05:31] You have told no one the situation. [05:31] Necrosan: Only five times past 2 hours [05:31] You came in ranting & raving about how you're an 8 year LINUX vet. [05:31] Necrosan: I've been on the channel for 2.5 hours [05:31] Reiterate again for me. [05:32] Explaining several times my problem. [05:32] My buffer is gong. [05:32] s/gong/gone [05:32] I updated from a perfectly working 8.04 system to 8.10 [05:32] OK. [05:32] Necrosan: Taza please either be helpful or better yet get back on topic and ignore each other. [05:32] Taza: What kind of system is this? [05:32] Rebooted, then went and removed linux-generic-whatever-version-8.04 uses. [05:32] Info, please. [05:33] It's a normal Xubuntu install, with /var/log set to disappear? [05:33] You booted in to the new kernel no problem? [05:33] I'm not sure. [05:33] Tell me about the SSD setup. [05:33] Then I noticed there's no kernel in grub. [05:33] Er. [05:33] Weird. [05:33] And I had to install linux-generic to get a kernel. [05:33] If I were you, I would do a fresh install. I haven't trusted any major rev OS updater in years. [05:33] Yeah, somethings messed up. [05:33] Thank heavens I noted it in time. [05:33] I'd blame it on Ubuntu. [05:34] Then the "a package manager is working" icon is around 256x256 pixels, where the NetworkManager and battery plugin icons don't appear at all [05:34] That's just the problems I detected in 10 minutes. [05:34] Reinstall. You're screwed. [05:34] Well, it's more work than its worth. [05:34] I did say I was reinstalling too [05:34] Definitely fixable, but I'd just backup what's critical and reinstall. [05:34] Sure, but a reinstall USUALLY isn't necessary. [05:35] In your condition it sounds like it would benefit all concerned parties. [05:35]