| * rgreening yawns | 03:50 | |
| * ScottK is really enjoying kdesvn for cherrypicking security patches from the clamav svn. | 03:53 | |
| rgreening | heh | 04:29 |
|---|---|---|
| rgreening | ScottK: I'll have kdegraphics ready in a few.. if you want to sponsor upload... | 04:30 |
| ScottK | Maybe it I'm not ready to pass out when I get clamav done. | 04:30 |
| rgreening | lol | 04:30 |
| ScottK | Urgh. it/if | 04:31 |
| rgreening | ScottK: bug 297051 | 04:38 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 297051 in kdegraphics "kdegraphics 4.1.2: new changes from Debian (4.1.3) require merging" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/297051 | 04:38 |
| rgreening | kdegraphics took a while to go through. Debian had lot's of little changes to doc and update... | 04:45 |
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| ScottK | rgreening: Sorry. Out of juice. Going to bed. | 05:53 |
| rgreening | np ScottK. Later | 05:54 |
| rgreening | Riddell: kdeedu ready to be merged... bug 297066 | 06:57 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 297066 in kdeedu "kdeedu 4.1.2: new changes from Debian (4.1.3) require merging" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/297066 | 06:57 |
| rgreening | Riddell: kdegraphics ready to be merged... bug 297051 | 06:57 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 297051 in kdegraphics "kdegraphics 4.1.2: new changes from Debian (4.1.3) require merging" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/297051 | 06:57 |
| yuriy | finally got my roommate on Kubuntu :) | 07:17 |
| Hobbsee | \o/ | 07:19 |
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| === Guest53713 is now known as santiago-ve | ||
| \sh | Riddell: taking qtstalker merge now, because of getting rid of old libdb* stuff... | 09:36 |
| === cmvo_ is now known as cmvo | ||
| larsivi | morning! in my adventure to achieve a better 8.10 desktop (at least as good as 8.04), I have now come to Kontact - I have two "custom" buttons (for spam handlnig) in the kmail toolbar that are only shown if I open KMail by itself, not inside Kontact - they are however shown for kmail part in the toolbar editor via kontact (so they really should show up) | 10:06 |
| larsivi | and this one seems to get little "official" acknowledgment - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/252094 | 10:15 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 252094 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "Poor graphics performance and rendering errors on Intel GM965 system, Ubuntu 8.10" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 10:15 |
| stdin | larsivi: we don't handle video driver bugs here, only Kubuntu/KDE stuff. have you reported your Kontact issue to http://bugs.kde.org ? | 10:26 |
| larsivi | stdin: not yet - I just tried deleting kontactrc to see if there was some old cruft from hardy, but it didn't help | 10:27 |
| stdin | the next step then is reporting it to KDE | 10:28 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: what did we decide for the kdeedu kvtml files? put them all in a kdeedu-data pacakge and have kanagram and khangman depend on that? | 11:52 |
| Nightrose | according to the edu ml that was the solution | 11:53 |
| glade88 | erm.. are standard users (like me) are entitled to set bug status to "wishlist" ? | 11:58 |
| Hobbsee | not unless you're in ubuntu-qa, iirc. | 11:58 |
| glade88 | Hobbsee: ok.. I'll not set it then.. but shouldn't launchpad restrict users from setting it? just for example, those not in bug-control cannot set importance? | 11:59 |
| Hobbsee | it does... | 12:00 |
| glade88 | err.. not quite.. I can seem to be able to do that.. | 12:00 |
| glade88 | plus I am not in ubuntu-qa | 12:00 |
| glade88 | Hobbsee: oops.. youre right. I can set it to confirmed/in progress etc. (I was checking in one of my projects) ty | 12:07 |
| Hobbsee | glade88: ahhh, that'd do it :) | 12:07 |
| devfil2 | Riddell: ping | 12:24 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: kdeedu-data-kvtml ... I have pusling's patch here and will add it to the 4.1.71 packaging | 12:38 |
| apachelogger | rgreening: ping | 12:38 |
| * apachelogger hands \\sh a cookie for endless wisdom :P | 12:39 | |
| apachelogger | anyway | 12:40 |
| apachelogger | rgreening: about that merge stuff | 12:40 |
| apachelogger | I found the problem | 12:40 |
| apachelogger | the bad news is: our QA sux | 12:40 |
| apachelogger | the second bad news is: this issue makes us non-standardish since the spec says one _has to_ search applications-merged | 12:41 |
| apachelogger | the (somewhat) good news is that it's not entirely our fault but also debian's ;-) | 12:41 |
| \sh | apachelogger: hmmm...just hand me some aspirin as cookie ,-) | 12:41 |
| ScottK | Is the kubuntu_12_khtmlimagepart_linking.diff patch in our 4.1.3 packages too? | 12:42 |
| apachelogger | the (somewhat) second good news is that we can poke the ubuntu desktop team in the eye for using applications.menu for gnome, because the spec suggest otherwise for more-than-one-desktop-systems-with-distincted-menu-structure | 12:42 |
| * apachelogger hands | 12:42 | |
| apachelogger | hm | 12:42 |
| * apachelogger hands \\sh a aspirin for the cookie | 12:42 | |
| apachelogger | that is somewhat weird though :P | 12:42 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: that would be in kdelibs? | 12:43 |
| apachelogger | kubuntu_12_http_cache_cleaner.diff | 12:43 |
| ScottK | Yes | 12:44 |
| ScottK | Just reading intrepid-changes. | 12:44 |
| apachelogger | doesn't look like it | 12:44 |
| apachelogger | it's pretty minor though | 12:44 |
| * ScottK waves his hand vaguely in the direction of someone who will look into it. | 12:45 | |
| apachelogger | default installation comes with gwenview which superseds the kthmlimage part | 12:45 |
| apachelogger | Oo | 12:45 |
| apachelogger | where does debian/patches/mini come from? | 12:46 |
| * apachelogger looks at stdin | 12:46 | |
| ScottK | Well we can't have a regression going from 4.1.2 -> 4.1.3. | 12:46 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: it's not a regression | 12:46 |
| apachelogger | it wasn't working all of 4.0 and all of released 4.1 | 12:46 |
| ScottK | Right, but it just got fixed in our 4.1.2 packages and so if we don't fix it in 4.1.3, it'll be a regression. | 12:47 |
| apachelogger | true | 12:48 |
| apachelogger | who fixed it in .2? | 12:48 |
| ScottK | Riddell according to intrepid-changes. | 12:48 |
| apachelogger | hm | 12:48 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: launchpad says the patch is also in backports | 12:49 |
| apachelogger | apparently the nl mirror is slowish | 12:49 |
| ScottK | Great. | 12:49 |
| ScottK | In this case I'm willing to believe Launchpad. | 12:49 |
| apachelogger | now, let's talk about the menu issue, because I have a feeling like my head will eventually explode from all the work today | 12:51 |
| ScottK | Got webcam? | 12:52 |
| apachelogger | no | 12:52 |
| ScottK | Rats. | 12:52 |
| * ScottK was hoping for a show. | 12:52 | |
| apachelogger | lol | 12:52 |
| apachelogger | 11_kde4_applications_menu.diff changes the KDE applications.menu to kde4-applications.menu... the spec doesn't, for whatever reason, enforce using a prefix, so it is up to the distributor to ensure gnome and kde don't conflict (both are claiming applications.menu) | 12:53 |
| apachelogger | the patch changes the file name also code-wise, however kbuildsycoca will later on use that very file name to compose the name of the -merged directory | 12:53 |
| apachelogger | so instead of applications-merged it will look for 3rd party menu enhancements in kde4-applications-merged | 12:54 |
| apachelogger | that is partly a KDE issue, as I said the spec clearly says applications-merged needs to be searched at any rate, which of course is ought to break when basing the directory name on a file name instead of hardcoding hit | 12:55 |
| apachelogger | s/hit/it | 12:55 |
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| ScottK | Lovely. 5 of 5 hunks failed. | 12:56 |
| apachelogger | the spec also suggests that one should use the $XDG_MENU_PREFIX env variable | 12:56 |
| apachelogger | so instead of patching the hardcoded name to kde4-applications.menu one would just change the installation name to said prefixed version and sets the menu prefix in (for example) startkde | 12:57 |
| apachelogger | that way kbuildsycoca will prefix any menu search path with kde4- | 12:57 |
| apachelogger | so it essentially searches kde4-applications-merged and applications-merged | 12:58 |
| apachelogger | that means essentially the ubuntu gnome stuff doesn't follow the spec either as it is using applications.menu rather than gnome-applicaitons.menu | 12:58 |
| ScottK | Nothing like getting to retype in the whole fricking patch by hand. | 12:59 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: This is for 4.2? | 12:59 |
| apachelogger | any KDE | 12:59 |
| ScottK | i.e. Jaunty? | 12:59 |
| apachelogger | that is why we had to patch the menu file itself all the time | 12:59 |
| * ScottK was envisioning a "please make the menu stuff not suck for KDE and Gnome" spec for UDS. | 13:00 | |
| apachelogger | course of action for jaunty would be 1) changing gnomes applications.menu to use the prefix and set the XDG_MENU_PREFIX var in whatever script/application uses to start the desktop session 2) revising our's and debian's patch to _only_ change the name with which the applications.menu get installed 3) also use XDG_MENU_PREFIX in startkde | 13:01 |
| ScottK | Sounds like great spec material. | 13:03 |
| apachelogger | course of action for intrepid would be to revise the patch and set XDG_MENU_PREFIX, however since this envolves changing two source packages it might be better to just use the same bloody workaround used in KDE 3 | 13:03 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: I wouldn't say it is specworthy, since there already is a spec ;-) | 13:04 |
| apachelogger | "Make Ubuntu follow all the fancy freedesktop specs without breaking stuff" | 13:04 |
| ScottK | Yeah. | 13:04 |
| apachelogger | there should be quite some effort to make desktop files valid | 13:05 |
| apachelogger | non-standard desktop files make my monochromisation work more difficult ;-) | 13:05 |
| ScottK | Sounds like good work to throw your crack team of bat packagers at between KDE releases. | 13:06 |
| apachelogger | IMHO that is good stuff for the mentoring program | 13:07 |
| apachelogger | the desktop entry spec is not too complex and one learns a good deal about patching and communication with upstream | 13:08 |
| rgreening | apachelogger: pong | 13:09 |
| apachelogger | rgreening: read my explosion above | 13:09 |
| * Nightrose takes some pressure off apachelogger's head before it explodes | 13:10 | |
| apachelogger | also additional resources: http://standards.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/menu-spec-latest.html | 13:10 |
| apachelogger | http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=applications.menu&mode=exactfilename&suite=intrepid&arch=any | 13:11 |
| apachelogger | stracing kbuildsycoca4 exposes the issue | 13:11 |
| apachelogger | stracing it with XDG_MENU_PREFIX set shows how that var influences kbuildsycoca | 13:11 |
| apachelogger | Nightrose: thanks :* | 13:12 |
| Nightrose | :* | 13:12 |
| rgreening | apachelogger: yeah. read. cool. Aa real problem, and not just for wine :) | 13:12 |
| apachelogger | rgreening: I told you | 13:13 |
| rgreening | lol | 13:13 |
| apachelogger | the problem is within the menu parsing | 13:13 |
| rgreening | yeah. figured. thanks for digging... | 13:13 |
| apachelogger | I also think we should poke some KDE dev to haxx0r something up to ensure applications-menu gets searched at any rate | 13:13 |
| apachelogger | 13:14 | |
| apachelogger | Note that a system that uses either gnome-applications.menu or kde-applications.menu depending on the desktop environment in use must still use applications-merged as the default merge directory in both cases. | 13:14 |
| rgreening | true. I agree, kde should be patched ot handle the default case in addition. | 13:14 |
| apachelogger | well, technically what the menu patch does is completely wrong, so I could understand if KDE doesn't want to do anything about it | 13:15 |
| ScottK | A bit of a line in the PPA world today: i386 83 builds waiting in queue | 13:16 |
| apachelogger | well, since a lot of buildds got lost... | 13:16 |
| rgreening | apachelogger: maybe we should try and fix it correctly for Jaunty. we have some time. Then backport fixes | 13:16 |
| apachelogger | rgreening: well, fixing it correctly is a must-do for jaunty | 13:17 |
| apachelogger | but as said, fixing it correctly in intrepid would mean rebuilding 2 packages | 13:17 |
| apachelogger | i.e. reinstalling > 6 packages | 13:17 |
| JontheEchidna | hmm, trunk is looking pretty neat | 13:17 |
| rgreening | apachelogger: but it would be correct hen. | 13:17 |
| rgreening | apachelogger: I'll take correct over br0ken anyday | 13:18 |
| apachelogger | well, the bloody work around from KDE 3 is working as well, isn't it? | 13:18 |
| apachelogger | and that one would only put a rebuild/update upon kde4libs and not also kdebase-workspace | 13:18 |
| rgreening | apachelogger: yes, if you use specify the mergeDir | 13:18 |
| rgreening | sure, then.... | 13:19 |
| rgreening | but for Jaunty, we should fix apachelogger (IMO) | 13:19 |
| rgreening | s/fix/fix it/ | 13:19 |
| apachelogger | have to, otherwise I will have to shoot myself | 13:19 |
| apachelogger | whooo | 13:19 |
| rgreening | lol | 13:19 |
| apachelogger | the cleaning lady is back | 13:20 |
| rgreening | cute? | 13:20 |
| rgreening | :p | 13:20 |
| apachelogger | no, creepy | 13:20 |
| rgreening | lol | 13:20 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: creepy doesn't exclude cute. | 13:20 |
| apachelogger | I can't even hide in the server room because then I would have to continue setting up RUs | 13:21 |
| apachelogger | rgreening: can you report a bug about the issue affecting kde4libs, kdebase-workspace and gnome-menus? | 13:23 |
| rgreening | sure, in LP? | 13:24 |
| apachelogger | yus | 13:24 |
| rgreening | k. 1 min | 13:24 |
| apachelogger | if I write it, it's gonna be a TLDR report ;-) | 13:24 |
| * JontheEchidna heads back to the land of KDE 4.1 | 13:26 | |
| \sh | Do we plan to get rid of kdevelop (v3) for jaunty? | 13:29 |
| JontheEchidna | Ha, now I have KDE 4.2 scrollbars. I didn't have 'em in KDE 4.2 | 13:29 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: didn't we fix bug 285265 | 13:30 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 285265 in kdegames "KPatience dies with ASSERT: "!pixmap().isNull()"" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/285265 | 13:30 |
| \sh | Devid Antonio Filoni <- ping | 13:30 |
| apachelogger | \sh: depends on the progress of the all new version | 13:31 |
| apachelogger | I doubt it will be ready in time though | 13:31 |
| JontheEchidna | apachelogger: what was the problem? | 13:33 |
| * smarter would be interested to know the fix | 13:33 | |
| apachelogger | kdegames-card-data: /usr/share/kde4/apps/carddecks/cards-default/28.png | 13:33 |
| apachelogger | kpat depends kdegames-card-data (>= 4:4.1.2-0ubuntu3) | 13:33 |
| smarter | I investigated a little with the bug reported but didn't find anything useful | 13:33 |
| smarter | except the strace stuff | 13:33 |
| smarter | apachelogger: somehintg was wrong with kdegames-card-data ? | 13:34 |
| apachelogger | I think the package didn't exist at all | 13:34 |
| smarter | sure? | 13:34 |
| smarter | the user said he had it | 13:34 |
| apachelogger | maybe there are actually 2 issues? | 13:34 |
| apachelogger | I certainly can't explain the strace | 13:35 |
| smarter | something wrong with the function that locate files? | 13:35 |
| apachelogger | of course that could also just be BS since we can't see if it found any kind of image | 13:35 |
| smarter | what is strange is that I looked in the code and there's no call to $number.png | 13:35 |
| smarter | only to deck_$number.png | 13:36 |
| apachelogger | it probably gets parsed | 13:36 |
| smarter | the file parsed was wrong then? | 13:37 |
| apachelogger | my kate i broken | 13:37 |
| smarter | but the search stuff really search every possible file :P | 13:37 |
| smarter | foo.png.PNG foo.png.xcf, foo.png.svg, ... | 13:38 |
| apachelogger | smarter: IMHO there is a bug | 13:42 |
| apachelogger | it really shouldn|t search /28.png | 13:42 |
| smarter | of course | 13:42 |
| apachelogger | especially considering it already found that file earlier | 13:42 |
| apachelogger | so that is not the problem | 13:42 |
| smarter | apachelogger: I did a strace on my setup where it works and it didn't do that | 13:43 |
| * apachelogger breaks his setup | 13:43 | |
| apachelogger | I can't even break my setup | 13:44 |
| apachelogger | wth | 13:44 |
| apachelogger | smarter: did you check the source already? | 13:45 |
| smarter | a bit | 13:45 |
| smarter | didn't think anything suspicious | 13:45 |
| smarter | *find | 13:45 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: "the 4.1.71 packaging"? | 13:47 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: whateevr version beta1 gets | 13:51 |
| Riddell | right | 13:51 |
| apachelogger | smarter: that is uberfunnies | 13:53 |
| apachelogger | smarter: mine doesn't search /*.png either | 13:55 |
| rgreening | apachelogger: bug 297195 | 13:57 |
| apachelogger | smarter: you are using french locale? | 13:57 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 297195 in kde4libs "Gnome/KDE applications.menu collision resolution breaks searching in applications-merged dir" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/297195 | 13:57 |
| smarter | yup | 13:57 |
| smarter | for KDE at least | 13:58 |
| smarter | $LANG is fr_FR.UTF-8 but $LANGUAGE is en_GB for no apparent reason | 13:58 |
| Riddell | a good mix that :) | 13:58 |
| rgreening | Riddell: kdegraphics and kdeedu merges are rdy :) whenever you are rdy to have apeek | 14:02 |
| apachelogger | Oo | 14:04 |
| apachelogger | did I already point out that we don't have de_AT? | 14:04 |
| apachelogger | rgreening: thx, I think that description didn't hit the problem though ;-) | 14:05 |
| apachelogger | or it did hit the problem, not the cause | 14:05 |
| apachelogger | gotta do so explaining | 14:05 |
| rgreening | apachelogger: feel free to mod :) | 14:05 |
| apachelogger | sure, thanks for getting it started anyway :) | 14:06 |
| rgreening | lol... np. YOu know the guts of the issue better than I. | 14:06 |
| apachelogger | meh, so much for my explaining :P | 14:06 |
| apachelogger | smarter: reading the diff was inconclusive | 14:06 |
| smarter | but why did you thought that issue was fixed? | 14:07 |
| apachelogger | because of the comment before | 14:08 |
| apachelogger | wells | 14:08 |
| apachelogger | adduser testuser8 :P | 14:08 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: we do have de_AT.UTF-8 | 14:08 |
| Riddell | language packs need testing deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-langpack/ubuntu intrepid main | 14:09 |
| Riddell | rgreening: just adding the kdeedu-kvtml-data package to your kdeedu | 14:09 |
| rgreening | Riddell: cool. | 14:09 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: translation wise | 14:11 |
| apachelogger | smarter: doesn't seem to be a caching issue either | 14:12 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: oh I see | 14:12 |
| smarter | grr, connection failure | 14:12 |
| smarter | so, apachelogger: [15:07:16] <smarter> but why did you thought that issue was fixed? | 14:12 |
| apachelogger | smarter: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdegames/+bug/285265/comments/2 | 14:13 |
| rgreening | wiki.kubuntu.org down (for me at least) | 14:13 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 285265 in kdegames "KPatience dies with ASSERT: "!pixmap().isNull()"" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 14:13 |
| apachelogger | smarter: smarter: doesn't seem to be a caching issue either | 14:14 |
| seele | Riddell: have you had any feedback about the text beside icon change? | 14:14 |
| seele | besides the places where it's broken in apps | 14:14 |
| Riddell | seele: curiously I don't think we have | 14:14 |
| seele | nuno wants to start pushing the change for 4.2, but some apps need to be fixed too | 14:14 |
| seele | hmm | 14:15 |
| apachelogger | rgreening: maybe we should make that two bugs, gnome using applications.menu is not really related to that fact that our parser is broken | 14:15 |
| apachelogger | they just have the one thing in common that both issues are violating the spec | 14:15 |
| apachelogger | seele: no bad feedback anyway | 14:16 |
| seele | apachelogger: no feedback is good feedback? ;) | 14:16 |
| apachelogger | you know, people only complain when they don't like something, they barely praise when they like something ;-) | 14:18 |
| seele | yes, but the fact they didn't notice it is a good thing | 14:19 |
| seele | the function part of "functional design" is working | 14:19 |
| rgreening | apachelogger: this is stupid and bad, but symlinking applications-merged to kde4-applications-merged confirms what you say as I can now see my missing menu items in the correct location. | 14:24 |
| apachelogger | hm | 14:31 |
| apachelogger | now it really bacame TLDR sort of report :P | 14:32 |
| apachelogger | rgreening: enhanced the description to cover cause, impact and proposed solution | 14:32 |
| rgreening | apachelogger: cool. thanks, | 14:32 |
| ScottK | TLDR? | 14:33 |
| apachelogger | too long didn't read | 14:34 |
| apachelogger | rgreening: do you want to work on the solution | 14:34 |
| apachelogger | ß | 14:34 |
| apachelogger | ? | 14:34 |
| ScottK | Ah. | 14:34 |
| larsivi | do anyone know if stackable items in the task bar is on the plate for kde 4.2 or so? | 14:35 |
| rgreening | apachelogger: I'll take a peek and see what I can come up with... | 14:37 |
| apachelogger | rgreening: please assign it to yourself | 14:37 |
| apachelogger | I'd rather not have this bug get lost ;-) | 14:37 |
| apachelogger | I am wondering if xfce uses gnome-menus to create his menutree | 14:38 |
| apachelogger | ttha would be sorta weird though | 14:38 |
| apachelogger | NCommander: png | 14:38 |
| rgreening | apachelogger: will do. I may need some assistance... :) | 14:39 |
| seele | larsivi: you mean grouping? | 14:39 |
| apachelogger | rgreening: I explained it so nicely and you still need assistance? :P | 14:40 |
| NCommander | apachelogger, ICMP echo response | 14:41 |
| rgreening | apachelogger: heh... I said "may"... I'll let you know when I have something. | 14:43 |
| larsivi | seele: yes | 14:43 |
| larsivi | group similar items | 14:44 |
| seele | larsivi: i know someone is working on it, but whether or not it is in the 4.2 plan i dont know | 14:45 |
| larsivi | seele: it gets a bit crowdy with 7+ konqueror windows :P | 14:46 |
| apachelogger | rgreening: okies | 14:46 |
| apachelogger | larsivi: arleady implemented | 14:46 |
| apachelogger | *already | 14:46 |
| apachelogger | working pretty well if one likes grouping ;-) | 14:46 |
| larsivi | oh, good :) | 14:46 |
| larsivi | I do | 14:46 |
| seele | apachelogger: in 4.1.3? | 14:51 |
| apachelogger | seele: trunk | 14:57 |
| seele | ah, that's why :) | 14:58 |
| Riddell | rgreening: kdeedu and graphics uploaded, send the changes to debian if there's anything relevant or mark on wiki if not and that's us done for KDE main modules merges | 15:09 |
| rgreening | k. Riddell. | 15:10 |
| rgreening | apachelogger: I have patches for the bug. Will | 15:10 |
| rgreening | apachelogger: will upload shortly... | 15:11 |
| rgreening | just need to build/test them. | 15:12 |
| apachelogger | rgreening: question is also if setting the env var in startkde is the most appropriate solution for it | 15:18 |
| apachelogger | s/solution/location | 15:18 |
| rgreening | apachelogger: not sure... It seems to be the correct location. I'll do some additional digging/testing. | 15:24 |
| apachelogger | rgreening: IIRC we can also create an independent script, which if of course preferable over patching startkde | 15:27 |
| apachelogger | if only I would remember | 15:33 |
| rgreening | apachelogger: have a look at the patch I poseted to bug 297195 for startkde. It's something that probably should be there anyway... | 15:33 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 297195 in kdebase-workspace "Gnome/KDE applications.menu collision resolution breaks searching in applications-merged dir" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/297195 | 15:33 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: what was the KDE dir for scripts to set environment vars? | 15:34 |
| Riddell | ~/.kde/env ? | 15:35 |
| rgreening | Riddell: system wide... | 15:35 |
| apachelogger | # Source scripts found in <localprefix>/env/*.sh and <prefixes>/env/*.sh | 15:36 |
| apachelogger | # (where <localprefix> is $KDEHOME or ~/.kde, and <prefixes> is where KDE is install | 15:36 |
| Riddell | or just using /usr/bin/startkde | 15:37 |
| apachelogger | storing it in /usr/env/ seems better to me, after all that is what it is meant for | 15:38 |
| apachelogger | for prefix in `echo "$libpath" | sed -n -e 's,/lib[^/]*/,/env/,p'`; do | 15:38 |
| apachelogger | for file in "$prefix"*.sh; do | 15:38 |
| apachelogger | test -r "$file" && . "$file" | 15:38 |
| apachelogger | done | 15:38 |
| apachelogger | done | 15:38 |
| * smarter never heard of /usr/env | 15:38 | |
| rgreening | doesn't exist | 15:39 |
| apachelogger | probably needs to be created | 15:39 |
| apachelogger | that is uberleet stuff ;-) | 15:39 |
| Riddell | sounds like it goes against FHS | 15:39 |
| apachelogger | yeah, IMHO it should be /usr/share/kde4/env | 15:39 |
| smarter | this is rather totally overkill | 15:40 |
| smarter | why not kubuntu-default-settings? | 15:40 |
| smarter | (but /usr/share/kde4/env is ok too) | 15:40 |
| apachelogger | smarter: the var is needed always | 15:40 |
| smarter | so, startkde | 15:40 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: I guess $PREFIX/env is not so much of a problem when installing KDE to /opt/kdeX | 15:40 |
| apachelogger | rgreening: I propose patching startkde for now, but filing a bug | 15:41 |
| apachelogger | longterm solution should be to just install an addition file to usr/share/kde4/env/ | 15:42 |
| ScottK | smarter: If you like overkill we could do /usr/share/kde/kde4/env to be ready for the next transition. | 15:43 |
| rgreening | So, we don't use env anywhere in the system... why start now :) haha | 15:44 |
| * rgreening ducks and rolls away | 15:44 | |
| JontheEchidna | ~fact 2 | 15:44 |
| kubotu | fact #2 of 13: rgreening buries head in sand [from smarter!n=smarter@ubuntu/member/smarter on Wed Oct 01 23:27:17 +0300 2008 in #kubuntu-bunker] | 15:44 |
| JontheEchidna | oh shi-, kubotu gave away the location of the sekret channel D: | 15:45 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: Not the first time. | 15:45 |
| JontheEchidna | heh | 15:46 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: guess not | 15:46 |
| apachelogger | but who does use /opt/kdeX anywaz ;-) | 15:46 |
| apachelogger | poor english that is | 15:46 |
| apachelogger | rgreening: because it is the superior approach | 15:46 |
| rgreening | apachelogger: true. Could this go in kubuntu-default-settings though? | 15:47 |
| apachelogger | IMHO we probably should also file a bug about the poor handling of PREFIX-application.menu | 15:47 |
| apachelogger | one should be able to change the installation name via cmake and set the env var automagically depending on that | 15:48 |
| apachelogger | rgreening: no, the var needs to be set even if kds is not installed | 15:48 |
| smarter | apachelogger: IIRC, there was a neon script to build stuff against kde-nightly, what's his name? | 15:49 |
| rgreening | apachelogger: right. | 15:49 |
| apachelogger | I am not even sure setting the env var at all right now is a good idea | 15:49 |
| * smarter tries to compile KDevelop4 | 15:49 | |
| apachelogger | kbuildsycoca is part of kdelibs, so I would assume some widgets would use the menutree | 15:50 |
| Nightrose | smarter: neonmake? | 15:50 |
| smarter | does it work? :) | 15:50 |
| apachelogger | in which case we probably have to patch anyway | 15:50 |
| * apachelogger needs to check when he's home though | 15:50 | |
| apachelogger | time for the training | 15:50 |
| apachelogger | smarter: of courese it does | 15:50 |
| Nightrose | smarter: ramblurr uses it to compile amarok | 15:51 |
| rgreening | apachelogger: startkde is one definate place it needs to be. the prefix should only be set if KDE is the DE running | 15:51 |
| * smarter tries | 15:51 | |
| smarter | oh, it works :] | 15:51 |
| Riddell | nixternal: how was last night? | 15:58 |
| Riddell | Nightrose: can I use amarok 2 to put music on an ipod yet? | 16:32 |
| ScottK | Riddell: That sounds like rather a personal question (for nixternal). | 16:36 |
| ScottK | ;-) | 16:36 |
| vorian | :o | 16:42 |
| Riddell | I heard he had a "love fest" | 16:52 |
| * ScottK considers hot needles for his eyes. | 16:54 | |
| apachelogger | rgreening: technically it needs to be defined in kbuildsycoca | 16:58 |
| Nightrose | Riddell: ipod should work yes | 17:04 |
| apachelogger | actually jonny claimed it does not | 17:04 |
| apachelogger | due to our nogtk version | 17:04 |
| Nightrose | hmmmm | 17:04 |
| Nightrose | bad | 17:04 |
| Nightrose | what's the problem? | 17:05 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: poke | 17:05 |
| apachelogger | I obtained gnome commit style http://websvn.kde.org:80/trunk/KDE/kdeaccessibility/IconThemes/?view=log | 17:06 |
| apachelogger | rgreening: we have to revise the menu patch only | 17:10 |
| apachelogger | openwithdialog relys on the menutree | 17:10 |
| apachelogger | if we only set the var in startkde openwithdialogs will not work properly in GNOME | 17:10 |
| nixternal | Riddell: last night went well...good turnout and good responses...I heard the gripes people had with Kubuntu and KDE and I am awaiting a few emails...people were super cool, so I told them if they had some itches that needed to be scratched I would help them out | 17:10 |
| apachelogger | Oo | 17:11 |
| * apachelogger better doesn't ask | 17:11 | |
| apachelogger | rgreening: apparently gnome also has implementation flaws with the spec ;-) | 17:11 |
| Tm_T | apachelogger: who's amarok database master? | 17:11 |
| apachelogger | which seems to be the reason ubuntu doesn't use gnome-applications.menu | 17:12 |
| apachelogger | Tm_T: Nightrose | 17:12 |
| Tm_T | apachelogger: ah! | 17:12 |
| Tm_T | danke! | 17:12 |
| apachelogger | close enough at least :P | 17:12 |
| * Riddell has been arguing the gnome-applications.menu issue since hoary | 17:12 | |
| Nightrose | Tm_T: ! | 17:12 |
| Nightrose | ;-) | 17:12 |
| Riddell | Debian uses gnome-applications.menu I believe | 17:12 |
| apachelogger | bug 297226 | 17:12 |
| Tm_T | Nightrose: repost: is it known that collection scanner doesn't find files with umlauts? | 17:12 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 297226 in gnome-menus "Identical applications.menu handling for GNOME, KDE (and XFCE)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/297226 | 17:12 |
| Nightrose | Tm_T: there were problem with that yea - current svn? | 17:13 |
| Tm_T | Nightrose: current indeed | 17:13 |
| Nightrose | then bug report please | 17:13 |
| Tm_T | rescan didn't help | 17:13 |
| Tm_T | Nightrose: will do, have to make proper testrun | 17:13 |
| Nightrose | thx :) | 17:14 |
| Tm_T | np | 17:14 |
| Tm_T | the little I can do while waiting the baby to come | 17:14 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: should we look at putting kdebase-runtime's kubuntu_03_knetattach_use_sftp.diff upstream? | 17:18 |
| Riddell | it's http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=120669 | 17:18 |
| ubottu | KDE bug 120669 in general "I want to create a SFTP access" [Wishlist,New] | 17:19 |
| Riddell | and the question is should it offer fish and sftp or just sftp (i.e. is there much of a usecase for fish still) | 17:19 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Dunno about other distros, but Ubuntu supports SFTP since at least Dapper. | 17:20 |
| Riddell | much longer I expect | 17:20 |
| ScottK | Well that's the first one I used. | 17:21 |
| rgreening | apachelogger: what do you suggest then instead of (or in addition to) patching startkde (I say in addition to cause the patch will guarantee XDG_MENU_PREFIX is set by testing for it and if not set, it will. Can stiil be set elsewhere). | 17:23 |
| yuriy | I've had somewhat better experience with fish than with sftp, though I don't remember what the issues I was running into with sftp were, but I ended up going back to fish when I tried it | 17:24 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: I am not aware of possible implementation shortcomings so I can't really tell if only supporting sftp is sensible, fish only has a very limited use case though, also explaining the difference in the GUI might be a bit different | 17:24 |
| apachelogger | but in general that should go upstream someway | 17:24 |
| apachelogger | rgreening: sec | 17:25 |
| apachelogger | kded/vfolder_menu.cpp | 17:26 |
| apachelogger | line 844 | 17:26 |
| * rgreening is looking... | 17:26 | |
| apachelogger | hardcode to etc/xdg/menus/applications-merged instead of using the basename | 17:26 |
| apachelogger | rgreening: and leave the other change | 17:26 |
| apachelogger | that way we at least enforce applications-merged, I don't think kde4-applciations-merged would make any sense for anyone but distros anyway | 17:27 |
| rgreening | apachelogger: that will break other parts of the spec. It could be something other than applications (IIRC from reading the spec) | 17:29 |
| apachelogger | rgreening: only kde4-applications-merged, the other stuff stays unaffacted | 17:29 |
| apachelogger | as I understand the code this line will only change the default location | 17:29 |
| apachelogger | oh | 17:29 |
| apachelogger | rgreening: another solution could be removing the check for the env var completely | 17:30 |
| apachelogger | line 773 | 17:30 |
| apachelogger | QString xdgMenuPrefix = QString::fromLocal8Bit("kde4-"); | 17:32 |
| apachelogger | at least I think it would like that ;-) | 17:32 |
| rgreening | hmmm... | 17:33 |
| fregl | any hint on the best way to get cmake 2.6.2 for intrepid? | 17:33 |
| rgreening | hackish... though forces kde4- prefix in KDE4 apps throughout.... hmmm | 17:34 |
| Riddell | fregl: it's in backports | 17:34 |
| fregl | Riddell: I thought I had activated backports - my bad - thanks :) | 17:35 |
| apachelogger | rgreening: well, you could keep the original line and just ensure xdgMenuPrefix is never empty | 17:36 |
| apachelogger | i.e. if it is empty use kde4- | 17:36 |
| apachelogger | that way users can still override the menu file | 17:36 |
| apachelogger | that would probably be the best way | 17:37 |
| rgreening | apachelogger: That's less hackish (i.e. more friendly) :) | 17:37 |
| apachelogger | that is not hackish at all | 17:37 |
| apachelogger | I could even imagine a sensible upstream solution like that | 17:37 |
| rgreening | Ok, so, then we wouldn't need to patch kdebase-workspace (startkde) potentially... | 17:38 |
| apachelogger | correclt | 17:38 |
| apachelogger | y | 17:38 |
| rgreening | ok, let me try it out... see what I come up with... | 17:38 |
| * apachelogger is feeling sickish | 17:39 | |
| ScottK | apachelogger: You read about nixternal's love fest then? | 17:40 |
| apachelogger | yes, I even was too afraid to ask | 17:40 |
| fregl | switching from hardy backports to intrepid helped ... | 17:41 |
| apachelogger | hehe | 17:42 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: can you explain kde4libs patch kubuntu_11_fix_openwithdialog.diff to me? | 17:54 |
| Riddell | it looks like something which should go upstream | 17:55 |
| apachelogger | hm, read backlog :P | 17:55 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: upstream is implemented it in a more sensible way, dfaure said that the plan is to carry the complete kservice object around instead of just selected values | 17:55 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: so we'll drop that patch in 4.2? | 17:56 |
| apachelogger | yup | 17:56 |
| Riddell | salut marseillai | 18:05 |
| marseillai | salut Riddell | 18:05 |
| rgreening | apachelogger: have a look at the updated patch. See what you think of that? | 18:05 |
| Riddell | marseillai: tu habite en France? | 18:06 |
| Riddell | marseillai: tu habit en France? | 18:06 |
| marseillai | Riddell: oui (habites) | 18:06 |
| Riddell | marseillai: je va au france la semaine prochaine | 18:07 |
| marseillai | ou ca ? | 18:07 |
| Riddell | je sais pas :) | 18:07 |
| marseillai | tu pars en vacances ? | 18:07 |
| Riddell | oui | 18:08 |
| Nightrose | apachelogger: any chance to get kde-edu included in neon? | 18:08 |
| marseillai | :) | 18:08 |
| Riddell | marseillai: ou est bon? | 18:08 |
| marseillai | Riddell: peut etre qu'on devrait continuer en privé pour ne pas géner | 18:08 |
| rgreening | how does dch deternine the distro to put in the changelog entry.. for example, edinging now, I seem to be getting jaunty by default. | 18:15 |
| glade88 | https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bugs/297311 | 18:19 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 297311 in kdebase-workspace "Analog clock spoiled after theme change" [Undecided,New] | 18:19 |
| rgreening | apachelogger: Presumably, then XDG_MENU_PREFIX should be set by the application and not the DE? in order for the spec to work I mean... otherwise, how could a DE use other applications if the DE sets it to their prefix, which would then presumably break the non-DE app. Just a thought (sort of trying to justify to myslef the change we are making ot kdelibs). | 18:30 |
| rgreening | apachelogger: anyway, the patch is uploaded. I have kde4libs compilng now do I can install/test it out. | 18:31 |
| JontheEchidna | apachelogger: pong | 18:44 |
| * JontheEchidna needs to lrn2read backlog | 19:05 | |
| JontheEchidna | Nightrose: no clue why, but unless we use libgpod-dev iPod support won't work. Using libgpod-nogtk-dev doesn't work | 19:05 |
| Nightrose | JontheEchidna: mind investigating? i have no idea what is wrong there | 19:06 |
| Nightrose | :/ | 19:06 |
| JontheEchidna | uh, I have no knowledge of those types of things. Who does device support in the amarok team? | 19:06 |
| JontheEchidna | if you build with nogtk, cmake sez it won't support iPod artwork, but it turns out iPods don't get shown in the collection at all | 19:07 |
| Nightrose | JontheEchidna: xevix is the guy to talk to in amarok | 19:07 |
| meson10 | Are there any troubles using pykdeuic4 ... if i use it to generate the UI | 19:22 |
| Riddell | meson10: there shouldn't be | 19:23 |
| meson10 | troubles as in.... basically unable to execute the generated file | 19:23 |
| meson10 | with the simple example being... The MainWIn class is not imported from the Ui_ class it should have been | 19:24 |
| meson10 | sorry ... inherited* :) | 19:24 |
| meson10 | Riddell: well... there seems some obvious trouble here... anyway.. would try to resolve it. | 19:27 |
| meson10 | if i still get stuck i might bug the channel | 19:27 |
| Riddell | meson10: _Sime is a good person to poke :) | 19:28 |
| meson10 | Riddell: alright... i remember marking an email as well... i didn hear back.. so hit the channel. | 19:29 |
| rgreening | apachelogger: pingy-pingy | 19:44 |
| glade88 | apachelogger: I added this to my repos but I still dont have a kde4.2 update or a kde-nightly -- deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/project-neon/ubuntu intrepid main | 19:54 |
| Nightrose | glade88: you updated you package list? and looked for a kde-nightly package? | 19:56 |
| glade88 | yes | 19:56 |
| glade88 | i dont have a kde-nightly package | 19:56 |
| Nightrose | then something is wrong - maybe you didn't set up the repository correctly | 19:57 |
| Nightrose | check for typos | 19:57 |
| glade88 | it shows up correctly in sources.list - verified | 19:58 |
| glade88 | I'll update again | 19:58 |
| glade88 | yea.. 227MB.. I see it now :) | 19:59 |
| glade88 | thanks | 19:59 |
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| apachelogger | rgreening and jr got lost | 20:58 |
| apachelogger | we are doomed | 20:58 |
| * apachelogger runs against the wall | 20:59 | |
| jjesse | what? | 20:59 |
| apachelogger | [21:26:52] <-- rgreening (n=rgreenin@pool1.corpnat-toroon.gt.ca) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) | 20:59 |
| apachelogger | [21:31:24] <-- Riddell (i=jr@kde/jriddell) has quit (No route to host) | 20:59 |
| jjesse | lol ;) | 20:59 |
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| === _firephoto is now known as firephoto_ | ||
| === firephoto_ is now known as firephoto | ||
| seele | whoowee | 21:56 |
| jjesse | wow | 21:56 |
| jjesse | what a crazy ride | 21:57 |
| Riddell | and my server crashes so I missed the whole thing.. | 21:57 |
| seele | Riddell: there were 4 people and a bot in here for 10 minutes | 22:00 |
| rgreening | seele: sounds like the opening line for a bad bar joke | 22:30 |
| seele | rgreening: hehe | 22:32 |
| Riddell | was there a pianist too? | 22:32 |
| rgreening | the bot shot him and took his bench. The bot plays better music though. | 22:33 |
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| aleite | Hello guys... | 23:25 |
| aleite | Do you have a package of Cmake 2.6.2? KDE trunk now needs it | 23:25 |
| JontheEchidna | (was answered in #kubuntu)^ | 23:28 |
| aleite | JontheEchidna: thank you again... :-) | 23:30 |
| JontheEchidna | :) | 23:30 |
| seele | Riddell: i dont know any jokes involving a pianist | 23:34 |
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