=== asac_ is now known as asac [01:01] awfully quite in here.. [01:02] shhh.. "Masters of the Universe" need their rest too. :D === protonchris_ is now known as protonchris === nellery_ is now known as nellery [01:49] So who do I bribe to get a backport looked at? :P [01:50] whats the correct way to do this? XS-Python-Version: >=2.3 [01:57] make: python2.4: Command not found, but I followed the guidelines I think, it says XS-Python-Version: >= X.Y in the debian packaging policy [02:02] FrankH: To answer your question: Eclipse is a painful package to work with and no one has volunteered to actually do the work to update it. [02:03] binarymutant: What python package does your package build-depend on? [02:03] tonyyarusso: Bug number? [02:03] it depends on python 2.3 or greater [02:03] ScottK: Bug #293292, which depends on Bug #268602 being done first. [02:03] Launchpad bug 293292 in hardy-backports "Please backport etckeeper 0.18 (or newer)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/293292 [02:03] Launchpad bug 268602 in hardy-backports "backport bazaar" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/268602 [02:04] binarymutant: Do you have a Debian package of this or are you trying to install something from source/package it yourself? [02:05] tonyyarusso: Look at the bzr rdepends and consider it needs some testing. jdong was planning on looking at it. [02:05] ScottK, myself [02:06] binarymutant: OK, In addition to the XS-Python-Version: (what you have is correct if you are using python-central) you alse need to have python-all in your build-dep. [02:06] It'd be python-all (>=2.3) [02:06] ScottK, instead of python (>=2.3)? [02:07] Yes. That just gives you the default version (2.4), not all supported versions (2.4 and 2.5) [02:08] err default version = 2.5 (sorry) [02:08] ScottK, ok, but I'm getting this error now Build dependencies/conflicts unsatisfied; aborting. :/ [02:08] ScottK: Is there anything I can do to help things along, not being particular skilled in these things? [02:09] binarymutant: Then you need to install python-all [02:09] tonyyarusso: Talk to jdong. [02:09] ScottK: will do - good UTC time for that, or e-mail? [02:10] ScottK: also, if you know of any people who are good with figuring out segfaults and have some spare time, point them to my latest Planet post - kompozer needs attention beyond my abilities as well. [02:10] He's often around here. He lives in -0500, but he's also a college student so who knows when he'll be awake. [02:11] heh takes a parent to know sleep schedules of those crazy college kids, huh :) [02:11] tonyyarusso: I'd suggest asking in #ubuntu-mozillateam since it's based on Mozilla code. [02:11] jdong: Nope. Mine aren't quite that old yet. It takes remembering being in college. [02:11] ScottK, thanks :) Will other people that use this .deb have to have python2.4 installed too? [02:11] tonyyarusso: I spoke with #bzr on Friday and last I followed up they were still getting everything into debian experimental and synced into Jaunty [02:11] yeah, it's a bit dead there the last few days - will try again in a bit. [02:12] jdong: ah, so probably a low priority for a few weeks yet I take it. [02:12] at the very least I'd like to have complete bzr, bzr-rebase, bzrtools, bzr-gtk, and bzr-svn [02:12] if those are all compatible and good to go in Jaunty then I'm all for a backport [02:12] AFAIK right now that is not the case [02:12] binarymutant: It depends a bit on the package. If it's a python C extension, then it will end up requiring both python versions. If it's pure Python, it won't. [02:13] Cool thanks for the help ScottK [02:13] jdong: all right, well keep me posted and let me know if there's any stupid grunt work. [02:13] tonyyarusso: will do :) [02:13] binarymutant: ditto. thanx for the info scottk [02:13] tonyyarusso: kick me by the weekend to follow up if I forget through my tests tomorrow and thursday :) [02:14] jdong: all righty [02:14] FrankH and binarymutant: You're welcome. [02:20] tonyyarusso: The public library in the county I live in uses Ubuntu Hardy on their systems provided for library patrons and Kompozer is in their install. [02:20] Thought you'd like to know. [02:22] ScottK: I would, yes. Thanks. [02:41] do I need to make an ITP bug in launchpad like debian's BTS? [02:48] hi all [03:14] binarymutant: Yes. It's called needs-packaging in Ubuntu. [04:36] ScottK, thanks :) [04:37] You're welcome. [04:38] * NCommander yawns [04:46] zul ? === vorian is now known as heHATEme [05:21] what should I put in the changelog file for distribution? I've tried jaunty, intrepid, and ubuntu [05:21] jaunty [05:21] Lintian will complain because it doesn't know about it yet. [05:22] do you compile lintian from source? [05:22] Does anyone mind giving some advice about a merge - #296648 [05:23] No. I just ignore the error until it gets fixed. [05:23] heh - bug #296648 [05:23] Launchpad bug 296648 in jigdo "Please merge jigdo 0.7.3-2 (universe) from Debian (unstable)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/296648 [05:24] thanks again :) [05:24] Re the comment to close the other bug. It was mentioned that i should put in in the changelog for the merge, but that wasnt my change, and wasnt carried across as an outstanding ubuntu change. [05:26] it was closed, and we could close the ubuntu bug with it, although im not sure it goes in the changelog - might be confusing just the entry? I could go close the bug manually when package is published. so i guess, should it be in the changelog or not :) [05:42] I've uploaded my package to revu but how long until I see it on the site? It's been a while now :/ [05:52] Hmmm. ENORAOF [05:53] you need to hunt him down? [05:54] No, wanted to ask him a dorky Gnome Do question [05:57] * wgrant cries about the book meme flooding his liferea. [05:59] * ScottK considered posting about a "Don't do the meme" meme, but is going to bed instead. [06:03] wgrant: I had a good one from my Laser Spectroscopy book [06:03] I found out how to do LaTeX in wordpress.com [06:03] I'm not sure which is the closest book to me right now, but two that have come up on Planet so far are about tied for closest. [06:04] I'm pretty sure mine wouldn't come up ... [06:04] Heh. [06:05] There are two closest books to me -- The Mad Ship, by Robin Hobb and Tangled Webs, by Anne Bishop [06:05] I've got Laser Spectroscopy, Bible, Philosopher's Handbook [06:06] Oooh. The fifth sentence on page 56 of Tangled Webs is good. [06:06] I don't know *any* of the books so far [06:06] "The latter component is undesirable and is a result of the nonlinear transfer characteristic of the amplifier." -- Microelectronic Circuits, Sedra and Smith. [06:06] the closest book to me when reading planet earlier was a plone book, which I'm sure is NSFW [06:06] ajmitch: Hahaha. [06:07] "Since he'd spent the past few years teaching her how to defend herself with objects she would normally have at hand, he was looking at a pissed-off woman whose hands were full of potential weapons." [06:07] * Flannel has no blag. [06:07] StevenK: You need a blog noww. [06:07] -w [06:07] Do not [06:07] StevenK: resist [06:07] I do not need a blog, or facebook, or myspace or any other time sinks [06:08] no, for you have WoW :) [06:08] I have a facebook thingy I think [06:08] ajmitch: Shush :-P [06:08] it only took about 18 hours to get servers back after maintenance today :) [06:08] I heard [06:08] * wgrant fell into Facebook a month or two ago :( [06:08] But I am so far blogless and MySpaceless. [06:09] I won't touch MySpace with a ten-foot pole [06:09] Neitherr. [06:09] I don't even get what facebook is for [06:09] wasting time [06:09] LinkedIn at least seems to have some usefulness [06:09] Facebook seems to be for wasting time. [06:09] Yes. [06:09] Ah yes, I have a LinkedIn account too. [06:10] * ajmitch has an account there [06:10] I have a twitter and identi.ca account [06:10] but that's a *real* time waster [06:10] * wgrant doesn't. [06:10] I have a Launchpad account. [06:10] almost as bad as IRC ;-) [06:10] I'm glad I don't [06:10] * ajmitch looks on linkedin [06:10] wgrant: Why did you give in for Facebook? :-) [06:11] StevenK: I don't remember. Somebody managed to convince me it was a good idea. [06:14] heh, more WoW screwups, free gear this time [06:14] ajmitch: What happened? [06:14] And how many people died because of it? [06:15] well they just had an overly long maintenance period where they lost everyone's in-game mail [06:15] Ah. [06:15] and currently some of the pvp gear costs nothing, so people are swarming the vendors to get it [06:15] heads will roll [06:15] Terrible. [06:15] expansion release is tomorrow [06:16] * StevenK can't wait [06:16] this amount of instability & screwups doesn't bode well [06:16] Indeed [06:17] It's been unstable since patch 3.0.2 [06:17] there are a few bugs about it in wine's bugzilla [06:17] like the abysmal graphics performance many people are getting [06:17] * StevenK adds "Me too" [06:18] Only during boss fights. Which you know, helps [06:18] yeah [06:18] it really helps when I'm the main tank & getting 2-4 FPS [06:18] 3.0.3 runs nicely on wine for me [06:18] * wgrant has no idea about WoW whatsoever. [06:18] stefanlsd: Do you raid? [06:18] you're one of the lucky ones :) [06:19] StevenK: ok, no. not that hardcore :) [06:19] it mostly works well for me, but I get pretty much all the symptoms from http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15925 [06:19] bugs.winehq.org bug 15925 in -unknown "World of Warcraft: Extreme FPS drop since 3.0.2" [Normal,New] [06:19] * StevenK looks [06:19] oh thanks ubottu :P [06:20] ajmitch: That template text is rather bland, yes. [06:21] Hmph. No workaround or anything [06:21] StevenK: Yes there is... Play Ubuntu instead. [06:22] there are some mentioned, like disabling pixel shaders in winecfg [06:22] I do that during work time [06:22] but I haven't noticed a difference yet [06:23] wgrant: WoW is fun. [06:25] Ne, vladiko, ako Boga znadeš! [06:25] Kakva te je spopala nesreća [06:25] teno kukaš kao kukavica [06:25] i topiš se u srpske nesreće? [06:25] Da li ovo svetkovanje nije [06:25] na komu si sabra Crnogorce [06:25] da čistimo zemlju od nekrsti? [06:25] I bez toga ovo nam je slava, [06:25] na koju se vrsni momci kupe [06:25] sposobnosti svoje da kušaju, [06:25] silu mišce i brzinu nogah; [06:25] strijeljanjem da se nadmašaju [06:25] i sječenjem u opkladu plećah; [06:25] da slušaju božju leturđiju [06:25] i da vode kolo oko crkve - [06:25] da viteštvom prsa nabrecaju. [06:25] To je tamjan sveti junacima, [06:25] to gvozdeni srca u momcima! [06:25] Turi takve razgovore crne! [06:25] Ljudi trpe, a žene nariču; [06:25] nema posla u plaha glavara! [06:25] Ti nijesi samorana glava: [06:25] vidiš ove pet stotin momčadi, [06:25] koje čudo snage i lakoće [06:25] u njih danas ovđe vidijesmo? [06:25] Viđaše li kako strijeljaju, [06:26] ka se grada vješto izigraše, [06:26] kako hitro grabljahu kapice? [06:26] Tek što vučad za majkom pomile, [06:26] igrajuć se strašne zube svoje [06:26] već umiju pod grlom ostriti; [06:26] tek sokolu prvo perje nikne, [06:26] on ne može više mirovati, [06:26] nego svoje razmeće gnijezdo, [06:26] grabeć slamku jednu i po jednu [06:26] s njom put neba bježi cijučući. [06:26] Sve je ovo nekakva nauka! [06:26] Bez momčadi ove te su ovđe [06:26] šest putah je jošt ovliko doma; [06:26] njina sila, to je tvoja sila. [06:26] Dokle Turci sve njih savladaju [06:26] mnoge će se bule ocrniti; [06:26] borbi našoj kraja biti neće [06:26] do istrage turske ali naše... [06:26] Nada nema pravo ni u koga [06:26] do u Boga i u svoje ruke; [06:26] nadanje se naše zakopalo [06:26] na Kosovo u jednu grobnicu. [06:26] U dobru je lako dobro biti, [06:26] na muci se poznaju junaci! [06:27] sigh [06:27] stefanlsd: Agreed [06:28] * fabrice_sp agree [06:28] * ajmitch pokes Hobbsee [06:28] !ops [06:28] Help! Hobbsee, Riddell, sladen, fbond, mneptok, gnomefreak, Seveas, dholbach, elkbuntu, PriceChild, or jpatrick! [06:31] Huh, wth is that? [06:32] When the venerable Metal look and feel for Swing first debuted, its main aesthetic competition was the Windows 95 interface. Given the state of graphical user interfaces a decade ago, Metal was an attractive and elegant alternative to the other common interfaces of the time. [06:32] The updated Ocean theme in Java SE 5 helped to keep Metal a viable choice up to the present day, but it's time for Swing's cross-platform look and feel to get an overhaul. [06:32] Enter the Nimbus Look and Feel. A brand new, modern look and feel based on Synth, Nimbus provides a polished look to applications which choose to use it. And because Nimbus is drawn entirely using Java 2D vector graphics, rather than static bitmaps, it's tiny (only 56KB!) and can be rendered at arbitrary resolutions. [06:32] SwingSet3 in Metal [06:32] elkbuntu: ping [06:32] For compatibility reasons, Metal is still the default Swing look and feel, but updating applications to use Nimbus couldn't be simpler. It only takes a single line of code: [06:32] UIManager.setLookAndFeel("com.sun.java.swing.plaf.nimbus.NimbusLookAndFeel"); [06:32] * iulian rolls his eyes. [06:32] You can also force Nimbus to be the default look and feel by specifying -Dswing.defaultlaf=com.sun.java.swing.plaf.nimbus.NimbusLookAndFeel. on the command line. A more permanent way to set the property is to add [06:32] swing.defaultlaf=com.sun.java.swing.plaf.nimbus.NimbusLookAndFeel [06:32] to the file /lib/swing.properties. You will have to create the swing.properties file if it does not already exist. [06:32] For further reading about Nimbus, take a look at the Nimbus early access page. [06:33] * Hobbsee looks in [06:33] yay! [06:33] Go Hobbsee Go! [06:33] wow... [06:33] yay \o/ [06:33] thanks Hobbsee [06:33] at least he could of pasted more interesting stuff to read [06:34] \o/ Hobbsee [06:34] and how he's done a CTCP time check on me [06:34] Hobbsee: thank you [06:34] I'm curious which language it was, though [06:34] nordic [06:34] russian perhaps [06:35] Turkish? [06:35] Turkish is plausible. [06:35] I don't think is russian. [06:35] Google says Serbian or Croatian [06:35] I've got two different answers for two different lines [06:39] good morning === Tweenaks is now known as Treenaks [06:40] hey dholbach [06:41] morning dholbach [06:41] I'm guessing Serbian. Google doesn't tell if you translate a web page [06:41] hi ajmitch, hi Hobbsee [06:41] hmm, chatzilla. I'm surprised the guy didn't just flood out [06:41] Or cause a SEGV [07:00] how do you get the 0ubuntu1.deb naming scheme to work with dput? [07:08] binarymutant: what do you mean? [07:10] don't you have to rename debs to something_1.2.9-0ubuntu1.deb? [07:10] Depends on the circumstances [07:11] would I need to change the name of the deb to upload to revu? [07:11] you'd need to upload a source package to revu [07:11] binarymutant: for REVU, you don't upload a deb file [07:12] binarymutant: you upload a dsc file [07:14] so dput revu *.dsc ? not *.changes? [07:15] soirry: *_source.changes [07:15] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU [07:15] thanks for the info I was uploading the binary [07:46] Guten Morgen dholbach, Hi ajmitch and Hobbsee [07:46] hi geser [07:53] heya geser [07:54] <\sh> hmmm...why don't we have an opennms package... [07:54] Isn't OpenNMS a big pig, and hard to install? [07:54] <\sh> StevenK: nope [07:55] <\sh> StevenK: the package on the opennms page are really simple...well, someone has to do some debian/ubuntu policy audit..but that shouldn't be that hard [07:55] <\sh> StevenK: the only bad thing: it's java...but it [07:55] <\sh> 's much faster then nagios [07:56] How can java be faster? :-P [07:56] Admitedly nagios' event handling is ... well, complete crap [07:56] <\sh> StevenK: dunno...but it is;-) [07:57] <\sh> and it has much more nicer features e.g. for on duty services..asset management (which is far from being complete..but a good start) [08:02] StevenK: just curious, what bugs you about nagios? I'm rather happy with it, but I havn't seen alternatives either... [08:03] siretart: It's web interface is terrible, and it's alerting leaves a lot to be desired [08:03] like what? === santiago-pgsql is now known as Guest53713 [08:04] siretart: Sorry? === Guest53713 is now known as santiago-ve [08:05] I don't really understand what you miss. possibly I just don't know what alternatives have to offer [08:05] I'm fairly happy with the email and jabber notifications [08:08] siretart: I used and loathed nagios at $PREVIOUS_JOB. I don't have to care any more [08:09] I see [08:10] siretart: We had it monitoring ~ 700 machines with over 5,600 discrete services, and it ran like a complete dog on an SMP Xeon [08:15] <\sh> siretart: could be that the former colleagues here did a bad job installing nagios the wrong way...regarding automatic service discovery and running it in cluster mode... [08:16] * siretart didn't notice that nagios had some automatic service discovery or cluser mode feature [08:16] <\sh> siretart: see, nagios doesn [08:16] <\sh> 't have automatic discovery .. and cluster mode is more self made...,-) [08:17] StevenK: having looked a bit how nagios works, that story doesn't really surprise me. good that you don't need to care about that setup any more :) [08:21] StevenK: do u know if it was v2 or v3? [08:22] stefanlsd: 2 [08:22] StevenK: 3 has lots of improvements. maybe you'd have a different experience now [08:22] stefanlsd: See above, I don't care any more :-) [08:23] hehe [08:23] wgrant: I tried to fix gcl FTBFS, but it fails to build for brk randomization in 2.6.27 kernels, I need to figure out the new fix. [08:23] DktrKranz: Ah, lovely... [08:23] oh right. I haven't seen nagios2 at all. [08:24] * wgrant likes nagios3. [08:24] * soren just like nagios [08:24] fixing gcl doesn't mean we fix rdepends, though. They need special care too [08:24] <\sh> siretart: btw...do you know if sistopy or whoever is working on ghc6 merge? [08:24] DktrKranz: The rdepends are less formidable than that abomination. [08:24] <\sh> sistpoty ,-) [08:26] \sh: I hope he is busy with releasing faumachine :-) [08:26] <\sh> siretart: *g* new gch6 needs to be injected into jaunty for new darcs [08:26] <\sh> ghc6 even...*grmpf* too early this morning [08:27] * wgrant stabs darcs with bzr. [08:27] * StevenK has yet to use darcs [08:28] * \sh wants to roll out bzr @company as default VCS and REPO system...but it's hard to do that, when you have to deal with windows people only [08:29] <\sh> old style thinking people are sometimes difficult [08:33] \sh: I was under the impression bzr ran excellently on windows. [08:34] soren: It does. [08:34] Unlike git. [08:34] There's even tortoisebzr. [08:34] Yep. [08:34] And it's not even dead. [08:37] * Hobbsee quickly kills it [08:37] wasn't dead, anyway. [08:42] DktrKranz: ping [08:56] fargiolas: pong [08:57] DktrKranz: hi, prefer english or italian? (about bug 222580) [08:57] Launchpad bug 222580 in gnome-mastermind "GNOME Mastermind grid is shifted to the right with new cairo releases" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/222580 [08:58] fargiolas: no problem with both of them (but Italian only for queries) [08:59] <\sh> soren: it does...but the people are not willing to change ,-) [09:00] fargiolas: I haven't a browser handy, but I remember that bug, need a sponsor? [09:00] DktrKranz: since I used intrepid for a while now I almost forgot about that bug, now I just bought a dell mini with hardy and I see it's yet to be fixed [09:01] DktrKranz: it's been quite some time it's out now, and jdong already said the fix was ok, why hasn't it been committed yet? [09:02] DktrKranz: I'm not an ubuntu dev :P I'm not really aware about the sponsorship mechanism [09:03] DktrKranz: actually that's the only debdiff I ever did [09:03] fargiolas: usually SRUs are processed slower than other bugs, I can do it this evening. Mind subscribing me to the bug (just to make sure it falls on my radar) [09:06] DktrKranz: done, thank you :) [09:07] "prego" ;) [09:08] DktrKranz: it's always a bit odd to talk in english with other italian guys :) grazie [09:09] not so odd here ;) [09:12] <\sh> yay...one bug fixed...more to go [09:25] <\sh> ScottK: ping libdb cruft removal smtpguard still relies on libdb4.3 (as you are my postfix and clamav hero) do you want to deal with it? [09:30] morning everyone [09:30] huats, morning :) [09:31] hey gouki [09:31] :) [09:32] Does someone mind looking at: bug #296648 [09:32] Launchpad bug 296648 in jigdo "Please merge jigdo 0.7.3-2 (universe) from Debian (unstable)" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/296648 [09:32] Re the comment to close the other bug. It was mentioned that i should put in in the changelog for the merge, but that wasnt my change, and wasnt carried across as an outstanding ubuntu change. [09:33] So should the merge autoclose another bug, or should that other bug be closed manually? [09:38] <\sh> stefanlsd: merge already done... [09:38] <\sh> stefanlsd: I saw the bug too late... [09:38] I'm getting a 'cannot create regular file '/usr/local/bin/name': Permission denied on pbuilder. Any ideas? [09:38] <\sh> gouki: not the right $DESTDIR location for installation ... [09:39] \sh: should the changelog have auto closed the other bug? [09:39] <\sh> stefanlsd: to be more precise...I'm just working on getting rid the old libdb* dependencies...and jigdo had still libdb4.3-dev b-ds...so I took it when I realized too late that there was a merge of you pending. [09:40] <\sh> stefanlsd: tbh..it could...but as said, I saw the bugs too late and didn't mention it...I'll close them manually now [09:40] \sh, mmm, OK. Thanks. [09:40] \sh: you mentioned in the comment libdb4.4 was in control, but i dont see that in the debdiff? [09:42] \sh: im just trying to work out, what is the *correct* thing to do in the changelog. Do we just mention that it has been upgraded to close the bug (although it wasnt something we did, it was done in debian change earlier), or do we just close the bug? [09:42] <\sh> stefanlsd: the former version in intrepid had libdb4.4-dev in the b-d..and the new upstream package had it now corrected via NMU...(that's why I didn't see it in the first place)..as said, blame me ,-) [09:42] aah, naa. ste*n's dont do stuff wrong :) [09:43] <\sh> stefanlsd: well, bug #240490 could have been autoclosed during the merge with the (LP: #240490) tag attached to the debdiff yes...that would be the right thing to do :) [09:43] Launchpad bug 240490 in jigdo "please transition to newer libdb branch" [Unknown,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/240490 [09:46] \sh: oh ok. thanks. wasnt sure if we could do that as we actually didnt do anything except sync that change from debian which was already in the changelog. but i guess it does make sense that we could of just said - Debian builds with libdb4.6 (LP: #240490) or something. [09:46] Is there a way of having debuild to automagically sign the files? [09:46] <\sh> gouki: debuild -S [09:47] \sh, it will ask me for the passphrase. I wanted it to sign automatically. :) [09:47] gpg-agent [09:48] <\sh> gouki: ah...gpg-agent, seahorse... [09:48] Thank you. [09:50] I have the DESTDIR set to $(CURDIR)/debian/name install, but it still fails because of permissions. [09:51] Never mind. Think I found it :) [09:55] Ok, I haven't. Both /usr/local/bin and /usr/bin fail with permission denied. Ideas? [09:57] What's the exact error message? [09:58] soren, 'cannot create regular file '/usr/local/bin/name': Permission denied' on pbuilder. [09:59] gouki: You're not installing into DESTDIR. [09:59] Your Makefile is probably broken. [09:59] wgrant, I was able to install it with the included Makefile. But that doesn't mean anything, does it? [09:59] No. [10:05] Relevant pbuilder output is here, in case anyone wants to take a look: http://paste.ubuntu.com/70859 [10:06] As for he Makefile: http://paste.ubuntu.com/70860 [10:06] I somehow doubt that's the real makefile.. [10:06] It reads: [10:06] install -c -o 0 -g 0 -s swiggle /usr/local/bin [10:06] and your pbuilder log says: [10:07] install -c -o 0 -g 0 -s swiggle /usr/bin [10:07] \sh: be honest, you just gave a (positive) comment because my name is Ste{f,ph}an :P :P :P [10:07] I just changed it to see if it would work with /usr/bin. [10:07] Besides, your Makefile doesn't use use DESTDIR. [10:08] <\sh> gouki: install: [10:08] <\sh> install -c -o 0 -g 0 -s swiggle /usr/local/bin [10:08] <\sh> is wrong [10:08] <\sh> you need to use $DESTDIR [10:08] $(DESTDIR), really. [10:08] Ok. Thank you. [10:13] hi [10:15] Huh [10:17] <\sh> sebner: nope :) [10:18] \sh: heh, what do you think about my beginning? ^ ^ [10:19] Hmm, with $(DESTDIR) on the Makefile things work out pretty well :) Thanks! [10:19] <\sh> sebner: you mean "The spamming monster" ? [10:20] \sh: in general, all of them :P [10:21] \sh: btw, I thought your favorite will be "The boy from Hell" :P [10:22] <\sh> sebner: no...hellboy has a too much red skin for me ,-) [10:24] \sh: heh === doko_ is now known as doko === wolfger__ is now known as wolfger === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach [12:03] using launchpad's PPA, does anoyone know if I copy the built binaries from intrepid to hardy, will they work? [12:03] maybe. try asking #launchpad [12:03] i think it's supposed to [12:03] it's for secret maryo chronicles, 1.6 version: https://launchpad.net/~medigeek/+archive [12:03] <\sh> Hobbsee: are you working on spamprobe merge? if not, I would like to to take it also regarding libdb-dev transition [12:03] hey Hobbsee :) I finally managed to upload it hehe [12:04] \sh: no, go ahead. I think i listed that on dad as being fine. Someone else might be though. [12:04] <\sh> Hobbsee: ok..thx...then I go ahead... [12:04] \sh: i offered up my merges, and someone talked about taking them. unfortunately, i've forgotten who it was [12:15] <_s3rggg_> hi [12:15] <_s3rggg_> excuse me, how can i upload a patch to release-proposed? [12:16] <_s3rggg_> nobady can help me? [12:22] _s3rggg_: crossposting questions in different chans is not very useful [12:23] <_s3rggg_> i know, i was waiting for a response [12:23] <_s3rggg_> thank you [12:32] \sh: Not really (smtpguard). Unless it uses libdb transactions, the version dependency can just be bumped. [12:33] Hi [12:34] <\sh> ScottK: already resolved :) [12:35] Great. [12:35] <\sh> ScottK: needed a configure.ac/configure patch [12:35] Ah. [12:36] Didn't run into one before that needed that. [12:36] <\sh> ScottK: control was already in shape...but some sources are really painful [12:36] <\sh> ScottK: reprepro needs one as well...that's right the package I'm working on... [12:37] Well you have to be a bit masochistic to be a MOTU anyway. [12:37] <\sh> ScottK: not only to be a MOTU ;) [12:38] Well yes, but this is supposed to be a family friendl channel. [12:42] <\sh> ScottK: still have T -5M to learn how to be PC ;) [12:44] what's gonna happen in 5M? [12:45] <\sh> laga: M == Months ;) and then I have a merge of my girl and me :) [12:46] \sh: congrats :) that's great news [12:47] <\sh> laga: that just means, that I have to come home early...and no beer with colleagues anymore, but changing diapers :) and providing support for at least 18 years ;) === heHATEme is now known as vorian === LucidFox_ is now known as LucidFox [13:18] Good morning #ubuntu-motu [13:56] If I ever need to test a package with a certain Ubuntu version and maybe even go as far as with certain packages installed all with using VM's? [13:56] Is there a way to do that [13:58] I guess once VMWare catches up and I can use it on Ibex I could have a default install with a clean snapshot and after I'm done testing I could revert. I was just wondering if there was a better way. [14:06] <\sh> df [14:14] hi. If I include libraries into my package that are from a different author, do I have to add the author to "Upstream-Author"? [14:15] at debian/copyright [14:16] handschuh, libraries are expect to be provided on self-contained packages, not bundler with your package [14:16] of course the other author is mentioned, but not under Upstream-author [14:16] bundled [14:16] handschuh: As a general rule, we don't ship libraries that way. [14:16] handschuh: You're supposed to ship that library in a different package. [14:16] handschuh: Unless you have a very, very good reason. [14:16] well I know ... but these are java-jars [14:16] I do! [14:16] Let's hear it, then :) [14:17] the java-jars that are in the repositories are poorly maintained (at least the ones I want to use) [14:17] <\sh> java-jars? binary jar-libs shipped in source packages? [14:17] sh: well ... yes [14:18] <\sh> handschuh: why don't you try to shape the stuff in our repositories so anyone can use them again? :) [14:18] sh: yes I wanted to do that after my program was accepted ... [14:18] handschuh: That's not a good reason. [14:19] handschuh: That's a good reason to fix up the ones in the archive. [14:19] so i have to update the other packages first? [14:19] <\sh> handschuh: yes :) [14:19] handschuh: Or talk to the current maintainers and have them do it for you. [14:19] handschuh: if you want your package accepted, updating them would increase the possibility to get it included [14:20] soren: ok will try that first [14:20] another small question: if source-files are genreated automatically ... do they need a license? [14:20] say wsdl->java [14:23] <\sh> For what are you generating a source file from a remote wsdl? (I think you mean those RPC wsdl files, right?) [14:24] sh: yes the rpc-files for calling a webservice [14:26] <\sh> handschuh: well, thinking about wsdl files and how to get them: depending on the webservice, you should ask if you can distribute them in source form...but I think this shouldn't be the correct way, because if something changes on the remote side...you need to recompile all your sources...that's not a good design [14:27] sh: so again, a new package? [14:27] <\sh> java (afaik) has the possiblity to dynamically create objects/methods from those remote api definitions (like perl or python) .. so you don't need to ship/distribute them but getting them via http call [14:28] yes but at the cost of speed [14:29] something like ubuntu maintainers use with the flash player package? [14:29] if you have a wsdl-file that is 2mb large, it takes about 20 minutes on an averange machine to correctly pasre [14:30] handschuh: as you need to include that wsdl-file in the source package (buildd have no internet access), talk to upstream if you are allowed to do it [14:31] <\sh> handschuh: can you give me an example of such an wsdl file? [14:31] sh: the ebay api's wsdl is about 2,6 mb [14:31] geser: I have to include the wsdl? [14:32] geser: why that? [14:32] <\sh> handschuh: because it's the real source of your java classes then [14:32] sh: ah ok, makes sanse [14:32] handschuh: yes, how else will you transform it to java source without internet access? [14:32] sense [14:32] geser, good point [14:33] <\sh> handschuh: you generate the .java file dynamically from the wsdl file...and the api which is described in there is copyrighted and has a license...I wonder if you are allowed to ship those definitions [14:33] sh: the license is cddl (also the wsdl-file) [14:34] ok again for my understanding: src-package contains the wsdl and the non-automatic genereated files [14:35] and each api (in my case the ebay api) should be a separate package [14:37] <\sh> handschuh: http://paste.ubuntu.com/70936/ <- that's the python source of a simple wsdl fetch an parse code...it took less then one minute [14:38] <\sh> (including network time of fetching 4.2M) [14:38] <\sh> so.. regarding time, the only bottleneck is your network...which doesn't count because you send data over your network to ebays network when you want to query stuff [14:39] hello please take a look: http://pastebin.com/d1f9d7b6d I am testing out... [14:39] patch doesnt apply [14:39]