[00:00] <juanantonio> Is Xubuntu lighter in ressources than W98SE?
[00:00] <juanantonio> I want to change another PC to *Ubuntu
[00:00] <vidd> juanantonio, i havent used that unsupported operating system in over 7 years....
[00:01] <vidd> so i cant make an accurate comparison
[00:01] <juanantonio> but I'm no very sure about the version to use
[00:01] <vidd> juanantonio, xubuntu is the lightest of the "official" *buntu's
[00:01] <juanantonio> Mmm, you think a PIII will handle it with 384 Mb RAM?
[00:02] <vidd> easily
[00:02] <vidd> thats more then several of my systems
[00:02] <vidd> =]
[00:02] <juanantonio> Jejeje
[00:03] <juanantonio> I've two old systems, one running 800 and the other 500, will both of them?
[00:03] <vidd> 800 and 500 what?
[00:04] <juanantonio> Mhz
[00:04] <vidd> i dont see why not
[00:04] <vidd> they may not be setting any ground-speed records....but they will funtion
[00:04] <juanantonio> So, the thing is that I have the 500-PC for unloading with eMule under W98SE
[00:05] <vidd> you may want to consider installing the cli-only and adding lxde instead of xfce
[00:06] <juanantonio> and one month ago more or less, an error about drivers occurred. I have no idea about how to solve it, and as I have migrated from Vista 32 to Kubuntu 64 in this PC, I thought of doing the same thing in this
[00:06] <vidd> lxde is included in the official repo's...but its lighter then xbuntu-desktop
[00:07] <juanantonio> Lxde is a kind of graphical environment but lighter than Xubuntu?
[00:07] <vidd> drive errors usually mean "damaged hard-drives"
[00:07] <vidd> juanantonio, yes http://lxde.org
[00:08] <juanantonio> Ok. So, when I install Xubuntu, I choose lxde instead of Xfce
[00:08] <vidd> juanantonio, no
[00:08] <vidd> you install the cli-only from the alt cd
[00:09] <xubuser> Hello People.
[00:09] <juanantonio> Hello, man
[00:09] <juanantonio> So, I install Xfce
[00:09] <juanantonio> and then change
[00:09] <vidd> then...instad of adding xubuntu (sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop) you add lxde (sudo apt-get install lxde)
[00:09] <xubuser> I can't ping another machine on the network. It's a windows machine.
[00:10] <vidd> juanantonio, no....
[00:10] <dcolish> hey vidd have you seen pub GNU/Linux or ubuntulite?
[00:10] <vidd> you install the cli only
[00:10] <vidd> this gives you just the command line
[00:10] <juanantonio> Cli only means text?
[00:10] <vidd> once its installed you install the desktop environment
[00:11] <vidd> the command to install the lxde desktop environment is sudo apt-get install lxde
[00:11] <juanantonio> Ok
[00:11] <vidd> juanantonio, yes...cli means only text
[00:12] <juanantonio> And I will have the official Ubuntu repos
[00:12] <vidd> you will only have a text-only environment until lxde gets finished installing....
[00:12] <vidd> then you reboot and you have a graphical environment
[00:12] <vidd> you may need to add additional applications once lxde is installed....
[00:13] <vidd> like a web browser and mail client, and what ever other apps you want
[00:13] <dcolish> vidd: juanantonio might want to check out ubuntulite
[00:13] <vidd> dcolish, then educate him =]
[00:14] <juanantonio> Do you think it is a good idea to try with this before this PC is dead?
[00:14] <juanantonio> ;)
[00:14] <dcolish> well its what you're describing, but already packaged as an official Ubuntu derivative
[00:14] <vidd> xubuser, what does ipconfig on the winblows box say the ip addess is?
[00:14] <juanantonio> Unofficial, I would say
[00:15] <xubuser> vidd: hmmm.... rnning arp on it. arp see sit. ip: .122
[00:15] <vidd> dcolish, im recommending what is already in the official repos...not adding any extra repos
[00:15] <juanantonio> Thank you very much, I will have a look at lxde.org
[00:15] <vidd> xubuser, arp?
[00:16] <vidd> xubuser, can the windows box ping the linux box?
[00:16] <xubuser> vidd: arp address resolution protocol or something.
[00:16] <xubuser> vidd: yeah windows ping linux fine.
[00:16] <dcolish> vidd: understood. the ubuntulite does have a full community, launchpad etc
[00:16] <vidd> xubuser, can the linux box ping the gateway?
[00:17] <dcolish> besides juanantonio seems to know all about it so i've got nothing more to say
[00:17] <xubuser> vidd: gateway? router?
[00:17] <juanantonio> What is ubuntutitle?
[00:17] <xubuser> it can ping router.
[00:18] <vidd> xubuser, then you probably have a firewall issue on the windows box
[00:19] <xubuser> vidd: turning it on and off again. :)
[00:19] <vidd> xubuser, windows (especially xp and vista) usually have a firewall program riunning that will not reply incoming pings
[00:21] <vidd> xubuser, any luck?
[00:21] <juanantonio> So I do not have to download anything from lxde page
[00:21] <vidd> juanantonio, no...its all in the repo's
[00:22] <vidd> but you might also want to check out ubuntulight
[00:22] <vidd> juanantonio, dcolish has the info on it
[00:23]  * vidd will not assist with that...they have thier own support
[00:23]  * vidd is off for dinner
[00:23] <juanantonio> In the Xubuntu CD is everything to install, but I have to choose text, and then I say to install lxde, have I understood everything?
[00:29]  * vidd is back
[00:34] <juanantonio> vidd, I had a look at ubuntu lite also
[00:35] <xubuser> vidd: was the firewall. :) thanks.
[00:35] <vidd> xubuser, of couse it was =]
[00:36] <xubuser> vidd: now, I don't have to get up to change the video playing. :)
[00:36] <xubuser> vnc. :)
[00:36] <juanantonio> but I think it is better to try with Xubuntu CD with lxde as you told me, I suppose it will run as fast as it can
[00:37] <vidd> xubuser, why not have linux doing the video playing?
[00:37] <vidd> juanantonio, is it the desktop cd or the alt cd?
[00:37] <xubuser> vidd: it's on the main computer with windows that run all the other stuff that doesn't run on linux. And it has the flat screen.
[00:38]  * vidd would be evicting windows from THAT machine!
[00:38] <juanantonio> I think it is the desktop CD, let me see
[00:38] <vidd> juanantonio, if it is, its the wrong cd to do as i said
[00:38] <juanantonio> i386 32bits
[00:39] <xubuser> well, there's stuff that won't run on linux that must be run on that box.
[00:39] <vidd> juanantonio, ok....live or alt?
[00:39] <xubuser> I do dualboot that box into gentoo. :)
[00:40] <vidd> xubuser, i'd qemu windows onto the linux install
[00:40] <xubuser> oh on qemu is too slow even with teh kernel patch for speed.
[00:40] <vidd> xubuser, any virtual machine
[00:41] <xubuser> yeah virtual machines are slow. I need more than 1G of ram for running qemu successfully. I use qemu for testing out new distros.... but not serious work.
[00:41] <vidd> *sigh* 4 more hours of data back-up before this system gets labotomized
[00:42] <xubuser> some thick client apps that run better. Plus all the music recording stuff that only works on windows. that linux doesn't have an alternative for ... yet.
[00:42] <vidd> wine dont help?
[00:43] <xubuser> wine help. for many realtime music recording apps, you need direct access and fast speed. :)
[00:43] <xubuser> but linux has come a long way from back then when I first used it. Now 60-70
[00:44] <xubuser> 60-70% of the stuff has linux alternatives.
[00:44]  * vidd dont do music at all
[00:45] <xubuser> hehe, music stuff plus some other stuff that runs better on windows. other than that hehe linux is nice
[00:46] <juanantonio_> I fell
[00:46] <xubuser> this xubuntu new look is really nice.
[00:46]  * vidd has 8 linux machines and one windows machine (dual-booting) 
[00:47] <vidd> the windows box is strictly for gaming
[00:47] <juanantonio_> I think it is desktop, vidd. If I insert the CD in the unit I will know?
[00:47] <vidd> if its not a video game, its not on the windows box
[00:47] <xubuser> oh yeah plus the game that I play that is windows only. :)
[00:47] <xubuser> hehe, I like windows. I like both. :)
[00:48] <vidd> juanantonio_, you will know because you will get a desktop environment when it boots
[00:49] <juanantonio_> I haven't the other PC in this house
[00:49] <vidd> if you tell me what the first menu option is, i can tell you if its a live or alt cd
[00:52] <Necrosan> Windows < Mac OS X
[00:53] <juanantonio_> No idea, sorry
[01:31] <deus_> DAMNIt ubuntu in intrepid still havent fixed the crash for multicore machines
[01:35] <Necrosan> Ubunu is a work in progress
[01:35] <Necrosan> it will never be done.. or working properly for that matter
[01:35] <Necrosan> but when it does work right, you get to feel awesome about not spending $$ on useless trash
[01:40] <xubuser> ok, after installing adobe-flashplugin, the FF3 pages don't show flash stuff.
[01:50] <ELHN> hello
[01:50] <vidd> ELHN, hello
[01:50] <ELHN> Do you mind if a ask question or two?
[01:50] <ELHN> *I
[01:51] <vidd> !ask
[01:51] <ELHN> oh, my bad
[01:52] <ELHN> Anyways, I'm using compiz fusion for desktop effects, but I can't use any xfce themes because it say that compiz is my window manager, so what would be the problem here?
[01:53] <ELHN> *says
[01:55] <vidd> ELHN,  that is the issue
[01:55] <vidd> xfce themes work with xfce, not compiz
[01:56] <ELHN> So no desktop effects if I want to use a xfwm4 theme?
[01:57] <vidd> kinda
[01:58] <vidd> yu need to set up desktop effects with xfce or use compiz themes
[01:58] <ELHN> okay
[01:59] <ELHN> killall compiz compiz.real
[01:59] <vidd> im sure there is some way to make xfce themes work in compiz, but i dont know how
[01:59] <ELHN> oh
[02:03] <Necrosan> made a cool new aim screen name
[02:03] <Necrosan> "Id Kill You Easily"
[02:04] <vidd> Necrosan, offtopic is over there ------->
[02:04] <Necrosan> where's there?
[02:04] <vidd> #xubuntu-offtopic
[02:04] <Necrosan> oh. meh.
[02:05] <vidd> =]
[02:06] <ELHN> It also only works with gtk themes
[02:07] <ELHN> no wfwm4 themes
[02:07] <vidd> so convert your theme into GTK
[02:07] <juanantonio> Vidd, I have restarted my PC, I got graphic ISO CD
[02:08] <ELHN> And how would I do that?
[02:08] <vidd> ELHN, again....i dont know
[02:08] <ELHN> Sorry
[02:09] <juanantonio> See you later
[02:15] <ELHN> well, I guess I'll do emarlad
[02:15] <vidd> juanantonio, that didnt take long =]
[02:16] <ELHN> *emerald
[02:33] <Robotech_Master> I need a little help, if people here wouldn't mind. I'm running xubuntu 8.10 on my old Toshiba Satellite laptop. And ever since I did an apt-get dist-upgrade today, when I reboot the status bars (top and bottom) on my window manager don't come up.
[02:33] <Robotech_Master> Which means I can't do things like log into wireless.
[02:34] <vidd> Robotech_Master, can you get a terminal open?
[02:34] <Robotech_Master> Yeah, luckily it still remembers I had one open in my last session and pops it up.
[02:34] <Robotech_Master> (And I could ctrl-F1 if it didn't. :P )
[02:35] <vidd> Robotech_Master, then you simply need to type xfce4-panel
[02:36] <vidd> save the session when you log out...you should be good to go
[02:36] <Robotech_Master> Hey, great, that opens it right up.
[02:40] <Robotech_Master> Who'da thunk the fix could be so simple. Thanks, that helps a lot.
[03:17] <atarinox> can anybody recommend a good audio player, something where I can customize the media library. I like ot have separate windows for artists, albums, and tracks...so i can select the artist, see all their albums in a separate panel, then select an album and see the tracks from that in another
[03:17] <Ultraputz> hah :-)
[03:18] <Ultraputz> i'm checking out songbird right now, preparing to abandon banshee (which i would have previously recommended)
[03:18] <atarinox> so amarok or xmms wouldnt work?
[03:18] <Ultraputz> both have a lot of people who appreciate them as "itunes replacements"
[03:19] <atarinox> well winamp was perfect for my needs in windows...so if i could just find a decent replacement
[03:19] <Ultraputz> then you probably want one of the two you mentioned
[03:19] <atarinox> all i care about is media library and some decent audio quality/plugins
[03:19] <Ultraputz> they're cited by people as being "winamp-like"
[03:20] <Ultraputz> audio quality is more about your drivers and low-level setup than the player
[03:20] <atarinox> ah hmmm
[03:20] <Ultraputz> same as with a pc
[03:20] <atarinox> so whatre the advantages of banshee, songbird, etc?
[03:20] <Ultraputz> winamp sounds great on a really nice card, and sounds like crap coming out of your laptop's built in speaker
[03:21] <Ultraputz> they're itunes replacements, in that, the cover the major bases: podcatching, library management, burning (banshee for sure) etc.
[03:21] <Ultraputz> banshee has eq with presets, etc.
[03:22] <atarinox> ah ok
[03:23] <Ultraputz> if you really dig simplicity over any of that, check out quod libet
[03:26] <atarinox> ive heard of that one too
[03:26] <atarinox> i like simplicity as long as it's easy to setup
[03:26] <atarinox> i remember trying foobar awhile ago, which was way too involved for me
[03:27] <Ultraputz> everything i've tried has been a matter of  install and go.
[03:27] <Ultraputz> nothing's been difficult.
[03:27] <atarinox> nice
[03:29] <Ultraputz> feedback on songbird: nicest interface i've seen, but kind of fat and slow (uses mozilla xul as backend)
[03:30] <atarinox> yeah im trying to avoid any bloat
[03:30] <atarinox> what about banshee...why wouldnt you recommend that?
[03:30] <Ultraputz> i'm having a problem for which i cannot get a solution. the answer from the banshee folks was "upgrade to the development version."
[04:01] <AngryParsley> there is a bug with my soundcard in alsa 1.0.17 that was fixed in 18. is there some way I can install alsa 1.0.18 in intrepid?
[04:02] <Necrosan> no
[04:02] <AngryParsley> I've got linux-backports-modules-intrepid-generic and linux-backports-modules-2.6.27-7-generic installed, but that's just drivers and modules :/
[04:02] <AngryParsley> although it did have a driver that fixed my wifi card
[04:03] <AngryParsley> Necrosan: you mean I'll have to install it by hand?
[04:27] <coldhak> brasero isn't detecting my dvd-rws, but I can read dvds. how do I tell if it's just  brasero, or something else?
[04:28] <coldhak> maybe i don't have burning drivers?
[04:28] <coldhak> it is a proper dvd-rw drive, I can burn on windows.
[04:31] <TheSheep> coldhak: are you in the cdrom group?
[04:32] <coldhak> uh...i dunno
[04:32] <TheSheep> check in system->users and groups
[04:34] <coldhak> says i have privs for everything
[04:35] <coldhak> i don't see a "cdrom" group though
[04:35] <coldhak> I can read from it though, so i don't think that'd be it
[04:36] <coldhak> hmm, might be my perms. sudo brasero detects correctly
[04:38] <coldhak> it might be that, I don't appear to have a cdrom group
[04:38] <TheSheep> what does ls -al /dev/cdrom show?
[04:39] <coldhak> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2008-11-05 12:00 /dev/cdrom -> scd0
[05:29] <Hikefu> coldhak, try install dvd+rwtools
[05:29] <Hikefu> dvd+rw-tools
[05:31] <coldhak> already the newest version
[05:32] <coldhak> looks like i was wrong about sudo detecting correctly
[05:33] <coldhak> Empty (0 Free for Data DVD+R: "cdrom0")
[05:33] <coldhak> :/
[05:44] <coldhak> detects a normal cd-r just fine
[05:45] <coldhak> le failure :(
[06:22] <Guits_> I tried to install xubuntu on usbdrv ...cannot get it right  is it supposed to be booting into live cd menu what do i do next
[09:10] <coldhak> <.< disgraceful, I'll have to boot to windows to burn a dvd
[09:31] <R1cochet> is there a way to get a dvd to play in xubuntu?
[09:31] <R1cochet> dvd movie
[09:35] <ncfi1013_> how can i get the opengl screensavers to work with nvidia-glx-96 graphics driver for the nvidia geforce 6100 graphics card? they have been installed but they are not working. the graphics driver works. the graphics card works. the opengl screensavers dont work.
[09:36] <R1cochet> ncfi1013_: will they work in preview?
[09:37] <ncfi1013_> the opengl screensavers do work in test mode
[09:37] <ncfi1013_> im sorry do NOT work in test mode
[09:38] <R1cochet> hmm then i dont know
[09:38] <ncfi1013_> what is acceleration?
[09:38] <R1cochet> i dunno
[09:39] <ncfi1013_> because i asked the same question somewhere else and they asked me if acceleration turned on for me
[09:40] <R1cochet> i would image it would be in the nvidia control panel
[09:41] <ncfi1013_> where would i find the nvidia control panel
[09:41] <R1cochet> applications>system>nvidia
[09:42] <R1cochet> if u have it installed
[09:42] <ncfi1013_> nvidia xserver settings?
[09:42] <R1cochet> yep
[09:47] <ncfi1013_> i didn't see acceleration. does that mean it is not installed?
[09:53] <R1cochet> ncfi1013_: i have no idea §orry man
[09:54] <R1cochet> when i had probs with the screensaver i had to add gnome-screensaver to autostarted apps
[09:59] <gabkdlly> R1cochet: chances are your dvds are encrypted.
[09:59] <gabkdlly> !dvd
[10:06] <R1cochet> gabkdlly: Thank ¥ou =)
[10:52] <iMax> how do I mount a floppy if I do not have a /dev/fd0?
[10:53] <iMax> probably the question needs to be: why do I not have a /dev/fd0?
[11:21] <fresto> I cant get the nvidia driver to work no matter what i do. I did as i always do and just install the nvidia-glx-new package, set nvidia as the driver in xorg.conf and reboot. But nope.
[11:22] <fresto> but i end up in vesa land
[11:26] <gabkdlly> iMax: sounds like a bug.  is it perhaps living in /dev/ as an hd* or sd* device?
[11:27] <gabkdlly> iMax: if you are sure that your floppy drive is not broke, you should probably file a bug on launchpad
[11:28] <fresto> Im going to try an older kernel
[11:30] <iMax> gabkdlly: where would I be able to check what dev link points to the floppy?
[11:30] <iMax> gabkdlly: yes it worked when I had xp installed on that machine before
[11:57] <mib> does anyone know why my X looks like this: http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/7/4/107702/Photos/2008-11-12-114350_1024x768_scrot.png or this: http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/7/4/107702/Photos/2008-11-02-124147_1024x768_scrot.png
[12:15] <rajneesh> how can you mount windows partition
[12:17] <rajneesh> how can you mount windows partition
[12:18] <rajneesh> can any one help me
[12:25] <ablomen> !ntfs
[12:25] <ablomen> oh.. gone
[12:26] <ridoo> hi all
[12:27] <R1cochet> !NTFS-3g
[13:15] <gabkdlly> iMax: you might look at the output of dmesg.  For example: dmesg | grep Floppy
[14:40] <nitrospectide> i am considering setting up a xubuntu box for a fileserver... can anyone recommend a robust, easy to set up and use backup app that will do scheduled incrementals to an external usb drive? (ie please no command line or apps requiring fidgety setups)
[14:44] <TheSheep> nitrospectide: cron+rsync is the generally recognized stanard, unfortunatelly it's command line, so no
[14:48] <ablomen> nitrospectide, i'd take the time to learn cron and tar (and like TheSheep said rsync, if you want to backup (to) other pc's), it just requires a bit of reading and after that you have a solution thats solid as can be
[14:52] <nitrospectide> ok. thanks
[14:52] <ablomen> or look here: http://www.google.com/search?q=linux+backup+gui&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a
[15:03] <shane_> hey anyone do the updates this morning
[15:20] <SmileeeM1> what is the difference between 8.10 alternative and 8.10 desktop
[15:20] <ablomen> SmileeeM1, the installer
[15:21] <ablomen> alternate cd is a text-based installer (which works about the same as the normal one) and the desktop version boots into a live cd and has a graphic installer
[15:23] <SmileeeM1> might try both cheers
[15:38] <vargavind> Hello! I'm trying to add more keyboard layouts to X (so I can shortcut them), but everywhere I search for a solution all points me to the file xorg.conf. Though that is an empty file for me. (Intrepid.) Any suggestions?
[15:39] <TheSheep> vargavind: see the release notes for intrepid
[15:39]  * vargavind checks (again)
[15:39] <TheSheep> vargavind: in particuler, search for xorg.conf
[15:40] <TheSheep> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/810#X.Org%20Input%20Devices
[15:41] <vargavind> Ah, that one has more information than the one on the xubuntu.org site. Thanks for the link!
[16:17] <juanantonio> Hello, is there vidd?
[16:18] <vidd> juanantonio, yes
[16:18] <juanantonio> Helo, thanks for everything yesterday
[16:18] <juanantonio> I burnt the ISO CD for xubuntu with graphical installation
[16:19] <vidd> juanantonio, sorry to hear that
[16:19] <juanantonio> very little difference with Kubuntu when booting, by the way
[16:19] <juanantonio> And so?
[16:19] <vidd> it will make it much more difficult to do as i said that way
[16:20] <juanantonio> I pressed a key and it told me the message Changing to mode only text
[16:20] <vidd> well...good luck..... you want the cli only install
[16:21] <juanantonio> Cli only, no Mode only text
[16:22] <vidd> juanantonio, i never used the graphic installer....so i dont know
[16:22] <vidd> i dont think you can install a cli only with it
[16:23] <juanantonio> Ok, thanks. Only one question, if I install LXDE as you told me, can I install later if neccessary Xfce environment?
[16:24] <vidd> yes
[16:24] <vidd> you can also install lxde environment after you install xfce
[16:24] <juanantonio> I think I'm going to try as you told me. Point one: alternate ISO CD burnt,
[16:24] <vidd> yes...or.....
[16:25] <vidd> if you will have internet access on that machine, get the mini iso
[16:25] <vidd> !mini
[16:26]  * vidd likes the mini because it is one disk to install any *buntu
[16:26] <juanantonio> Ah, buff, this is difficult, patience with me
[16:26] <vidd> juanantonio, the mini iso is <10MB
[16:26] <vidd> and lets you install everything from the internet
[16:27] <juanantonio> So what will i MAKE WITH THIS MINI-iso?
[16:27] <juanantonio> Capitals, sorry
[16:27] <vidd> when it boots, you type "cli"
[16:27] <juanantonio> I will have to accep everything and then, LXDE install
[16:28] <vidd> to get the choice of what versions you want, you would tytpe nothing and hit enter
[16:28] <juanantonio> Ajá
[16:28] <juanantonio> I see, sorry
[16:28] <vidd> juanantonio, "accept everything" is just the cli
[16:28] <juanantonio> I hit enter
[16:29] <vidd> juanantonio, you want the cli
[16:29] <juanantonio> Yes
[16:29] <juanantonio> And then?
[16:29] <vidd> if you do not type cli, you will be offered to add a desktop environment
[16:30] <vidd> once the install is complete, reboot and "sudo apt-get install lxde"
[16:30] <juanantonio> Ok, sorry, it is a little time that I left impossible Vista 32, it is very clear, I suppose
[16:31] <juanantonio> when the install is complete, I will have the bash
[16:31] <vidd> yes
[16:31] <vidd> in bash, you type "sudo apt-get install lxde"
[16:32] <juanantonio> And this way I will have a very light desktop and all the Ubuntu repos
[16:32] <vidd> once that is done, you can reboot and you have a desktop environment
[16:32] <vidd> juanantonio, yes
[16:32] <juanantonio> it is a good idea, my friend. I am writing everything so as not to forget a simple thing
[16:33] <vidd> i am about to do a fresh install on this machine.....so i will be back in about an hour
[16:33] <vidd> if you can talk on one machine while installing on the other, i can walk you through it all
[16:33] <juanantonio> Thank you for your time and patience with the new people in Linux
[16:34] <vidd> juanantonio, i was one of those new people once
[16:34] <vidd> =]
[16:34] <juanantonio> I supposed so, man ;)
[16:35] <juanantonio> I am fed up with Windows, that is why I want to Linux all my machines
[16:35] <vidd> i am about to switch to a different machine
[16:36] <vidd> so i can do a fresh install on this one
[16:36] <juanantonio> I am going to download and burn in a CDRW the alt as you told me
[16:36] <juanantonio> Ok, continue ;)
[16:36] <vidd> juanantonio, no internet access?
[16:37] <vidd> if you have internet access, i recomend the mini
[16:37] <juanantonio> No on the machine I want to install in this moment, I will move house
[16:37] <vidd> ok
[16:37] <juanantonio> but the pc already there waiting for me and the new one, huhuhu
[16:39] <juanantonio> lxde is on this CD, is that right?
[16:41] <juanantonio> vidd, sorry agian, lxde is in the alternate CD for Xubuntu 8.10, is that right?
[16:41] <juanantonio> Or will I need to download it appart?
[16:41] <vidd> juanantonio, it is in the repos.....
[16:42] <vidd> so you will be able to install it once you have the cli installed
[16:42] <juanantonio> So to run sudo and so on, I need to have internet
[16:43] <vidd> juanantonio, no
[16:43] <vidd> the repos are on the disk
[16:44] <juanantonio> sorry, I am burning this CD and leave you a little calmed ;)
[16:45] <juanantonio> but thanks you very very much
[16:45] <juanantonio> I have all the things more or less clear
[16:45] <vidd> having internet access will help, but isa not required
[16:47] <juanantonio> Ok. Lxde is not visible through Kubuntu Adept, is that right?
[16:48] <vidd> juanantonio, on 8.10?
[16:48] <juanantonio> 8.04
[16:49] <vidd> juanantonio, that is why
[16:49] <vidd> juanantonio, lxde is in the repos in 8.10....not 8.04
[16:50] <juanantonio> Perfect, I need to download Xubuntu alt 8.10
[16:54] <juanantonio> Is that right, vidd?
[16:54] <vidd> yes
[16:55] <juanantonio> Ok, thank you for everything, going to download it
[17:03] <juanantonio> I have broken W98SE in this PC, any special caution when installing this lxde Ubuntu when partitioning?
[17:05] <vidd> no
[17:05] <vidd> you can just wipe it out if it does not work
[17:06] <juanantonio> The thing is that I need the files contained in it
[17:08] <vidd> then use that live cd you downloaded before to access those files and get them off that system
[17:10] <juanantonio> Uhu, you mean format in Linux the hard drives?
[17:10] <zoredache> he means back them up to somewhere else first
[17:13] <juanantonio> Ok
[17:13] <juanantonio> Will I be able to make this with Live CD Install?
[17:14] <juanantonio> I have two drives, the C. obviously is the boot, the D is FAT32 with no problems for Linux
[17:18] <vidd> juanantonio, is the data on the c drive or the d drive?
[17:21] <juanantonio> Data are in both, but most of it are in D, in C there is Windows and some data
[17:24] <vidd> juanantonio, i would recommend that you get all the data to one location
[17:24] <juanantonio> Hey, BitTorrent servers are wonderful
[17:25] <juanantonio> Mmm, so you recommend me to send everything to D, and then I can smash W98SE
[17:31] <vidd> juanantonio, whatever disk you want to send it to is (mostly) irrelevant
[17:33] <juanantonio> D is bigger than C ;)
[17:34] <vidd> juanantonio, then dump the data onto c
[17:36] <vidd> then you might want to swap the drives so that d is the master and c is the salve....install linux on the largewr drive, and set the smaller drive as active, not to format and labled "windows" (or something similar) so that your system will see the drive and be able to access it after the install
[17:39] <juanantonio> Uhu...and this way will I be able to enter Winows failsafe when neccessary?
[17:40] <english> hi
[17:41] <english> is xfce 4.2.3 in xubuntu 8.10?
[17:41] <coldhak> yes.
[17:41] <vidd> juanantonio, well....actually, the idea is to rescue the data into the linux system, and then purge all traces of windows =]
[17:41] <coldhak> erm, wait....
[17:41] <english> http://www.xfce.org/
[17:42] <english> 30 October 2008
[17:42] <coldhak> "Xubuntu 8.10, which brings a host of excellent improvements built on the rock solid Xfce 4.4.2" no
[17:42] <vidd> so far as i know, is the latest version
[17:42] <english> xfce 4.4.3 release
[17:42] <vidd> 4.2.2
[17:42] <vidd> english, if you want 4.2.3 you have to manually install it
[17:43] <english> I have a mistake
[17:43] <english> was 4.4.3
[17:44] <english> Can I upgrade to xfce 4.4.3?
[17:44] <vidd> yes...manually....
[17:44] <vidd> not via the repos
[17:44] <english> T_T
[17:45] <english> and backports?
[17:45] <juanantonio> Thank you vidd, that's a perfect idea
[17:46] <vidd> english, if it was in the backports...it would be in the repos =\
[17:46] <english> u.u
[17:46] <english> ok thanks
[17:46] <english> bye
[17:54] <juanantonio> How would I purge w from C once I back all the data? Formatting in Linux type?
[17:55] <vidd> juanantonio, there are many ways to do so
[17:57] <juanantonio> Ok, I will annoy with it once I back up all the data through Xubuntu Live CD ;)
[17:58] <vidd> juanantonio, is there no way to network your two computers together?
[17:58] <vidd> juanantonio, i ask because if you could, you can move all the data off the system entirely
[17:59] <vidd> and then have the install set up the entire system
[18:00] <juanantonio> Buff, my friend, I have no the knowledges, hehehe, but besides, W98SE is very net unfriendly
[18:00] <juanantonio> I have two other PCs and never could, when I broght them there, connect them in a local net
[18:00] <vidd> juanantonio, this may be true...but *buntu is very net friendly =]
[18:01] <juanantonio> Hehehe, yes. But I still don't know how to start making a net with Buntu
[18:01] <juanantonio> I think the application is Samba
[18:01] <juanantonio> and this is all I know about nets in Linux
[18:20] <vidd> why can you not make cli-only on the alt cd anymore?
[18:24] <zoredache> vidd: you can if you go the expert route...  You could also do it if you simply provide the correct boot string
[18:27] <Jim_Fulner> hello?
[18:27] <zoredache> vidd: the difference between a normal and a cli install is cli install has this included in the append at boot 'tasks=standard pkgsel/language-pack-patterns= pkgsel/install-language-support=false '
[18:27] <TheSheep> !hi | Jim_Fulner
[18:27] <vidd> hello Jim_Fulner
[18:27] <Jim_Fulner> greetings. i be new
[18:28] <Jim_Fulner> so first things first what does NFO]	This channel requires that you have registered and identified yourself with the network's nickname registration services (e.g. NickServ). Please see the documentation of this network's nickname registration services that should be found in the MOTD (/motd to display it). mean?
[18:28] <vidd> we need to get the cli-only option back on the alt cd
[18:29] <zoredache> vidd: I don't remeber it being on the alt cd for quite a while...  It is still on the mini.iso
[18:29] <vidd> Jim_Fulner, that your nick name is not registered and you should register it
[18:29] <Jim_Fulner> so how do I do that?
[18:29] <vidd> enter /motd as instructed for info
[18:30] <Jim_Fulner> when I type that nothing happens
[18:30] <vidd> it is displayed in the server channel....not the chat room channel
[18:35] <vidd> zoredache, im at the boot: screen .... what should i type?
[18:36] <zoredache> I believe simply typing 'linux tasks=standard' is enough.  But I am not certain
[18:37] <juanantonio> vidd, I will be able to do all the things once I have inserted the Live CD and then back up all my files
[18:38] <vidd> juanantonio, once the data is backed up, you can install as normal
[18:40] <juanantonio> Yes, I understood that. Thanks for everything, I have the CD burnt and everything clear in my mind
[18:53] <vidd> wubi does not upgrade nicely =\
[18:58] <juanantonio> I return later, see you
[19:14] <jochen> ups
[19:16] <jochen> hello, can anybody help me to setup wireless network ? are there any available user interfaces ?
[19:16] <vidd> jochen, what kind of help do you need?
[19:16] <vidd> do you have a wireless router already set up?
[19:20] <jochen> yes. i am using fritzbox. It already worked, but after some updates it does not work. i am using linksys 54g card with b43 driver, xubuntu 8.10. In 8.04 i hag a network-manager gui with a list of my networkcards. but this gui is not available any more.
[19:21] <vidd> jochen, ic.... i fragged the nm manager because of this and installed wicd instead
[19:23] <vidd> im sure there is a way to use nm manager to reset up your network...but i dont know how
[19:41] <deathtome> !ntfs
[19:41] <deathtome> !fuse
[19:52] <deathtome> i have an external usb hdd mounted but i have no write access
[19:53] <deathtome> went through steps for mounting ntfs drives with ntfs-3
[19:53] <vidd> deathtome, sudo chown -Rf [mountpoint]
[19:54] <vidd> deathtome, sudo chown -Rf [username:groupname] [mountpoint]
[19:54] <deathtome> vidd: when u say mount point u mean /media/.....
[19:54] <vidd> this may not work if it is ntfs
[19:54] <vidd> yes'
[19:56] <lexaux> hi.
[19:56] <lexaux> Guys, has anyone noticed that xfce4-mixer manages sound level in a linear manner, not logarithmic, and thus 70% of its settings are unusable?
[19:57] <zoredache> deathtome: when you mounted it with ntfs-3g did you mount it as yourself or root?  You'll want to mount it as yourself
[19:59] <deathtome> i did it as myself w/ ntfs tool
[20:01] <deathtome> tried chown and still not working
[20:03] <deathtome> also on permissions tab in properties says owner root
[20:19] <deathtome> any other ideas?
[20:27] <deathtome> brb
[20:53] <DetroitLibertyPe> VERIFY REGISTER DetroitLibertyPe oivxcmckddps
[20:54] <vidd> DetroitLibertyPe, thank you for posting your password
[20:54] <zoredache> you might want to try a different password
[20:54] <DetroitLibertyPe> SWEET!
[20:54] <DetroitLibertyPe> hurray for openess!
[20:54] <zoredache> oh, and as a generaly rule it is much better to login before you join channels
[20:55] <DetroitLibertyPe> well if i had any idea what I was doing I'd do that
[21:20] <vidd> i am no longer recommending any install method except the mini iso =\
[21:25] <Odd-rationale> vidd: why's that?
[21:26] <Odd-rationale> e.g. i would not reccomend using the mini.iso over dialup... ;)
[21:26] <Odd-rationale> but the good thing is, you do automaitcally get the latest version of packages...
[21:26] <stweston> how do I update the distro to 8.10?
[21:26] <Odd-rationale> !update
[21:27] <stweston> no ubottu?
[21:27] <stweston> !update
[21:27] <Odd-rationale> oh dear...
[21:27] <stweston> ...
[21:27] <vidd> Odd-rationale, cuzz its a pain in the @$$ to remove all the dsesktop stuff
[21:27] <Odd-rationale> yeah, ubotu just left in the netsplit...
[21:27] <stweston> XD
[21:28] <Odd-rationale> vidd: you can do a command line install from the alternative disk as well... in fact, that is probably the standard way...
[21:28] <vidd> stweston, update-manager -d
[21:28] <stweston> vidd: eh? what about WITH Server?
[21:28] <vidd> Odd-rationale, PLEASE tell me how!
[21:28] <Odd-rationale> stweston: sudo do-release-upgrade ?
[21:28] <stweston> Odd-rationale: okay. thanks
[21:28] <vidd> stweston, you have cli only and want to upgrade?
[21:29] <stweston> vidd: no. I have Xubuntu AND Server, and want to upgrade.
[21:29] <stweston> on the same machine.
[21:29] <Odd-rationale> vidd: on when the cd boots up, you have to press f4 or f6 ( i forgot which one) for more options to choose to install command line install.
[21:29] <vidd> Odd-rationale, did not see that option
[21:30] <Odd-rationale> vidd: you will see if you use the alternative 8.10 disk.
[21:30] <vidd> Odd-rationale, only have .04
[21:30] <Odd-rationale> vidd: you have to press i think F4...
[21:30] <Odd-rationale> vidd: yeah, 8.04 is the same way.
[21:31] <vidd> Odd-rationale, F4 gives only "Normal"
[21:31] <Odd-rationale> vidd: is this the alternative disk?
[21:31] <Odd-rationale> or desktop?
[21:32] <vidd> alt
[21:32] <Odd-rationale> ok. well, after you select a lagnuage, you have to press F4 to see a list of options...
[21:34] <vidd> Odd-rationale, when i pressed f4 the only option was "Normal"
[21:35] <Odd-rationale> vidd: what about F6? or is that the kernel options menu?
[21:36] <stweston> also, where are USB devices located under Linux?
[21:36] <stweston> under dev?
[21:36] <stweston> er... /dev?
[21:36] <vidd> Odd-rationale, that is the kernel options
[21:36] <Odd-rationale> stweston: try "sudo fdisk -l"
[21:36] <stweston> okay.
[21:36] <Odd-rationale> lowercase L
[21:36] <stweston> okay... why?
[21:36] <stweston> whazzit do?
[21:37] <Odd-rationale> stweston: lists all partitons
[21:37] <stweston> aah.
[21:37] <Odd-rationale> vidd: brb, let me try booting mine up...
[21:37] <stweston> Odd-rationale: what am I supposed to look for?
[21:41] <Odd-rationale> vidd: k, mine shows it in the f4 menu... idk why your's doesnt....
[21:42] <vidd> me either
[21:42] <Odd-rationale> stweston: you will see the /dev/ of all partitions...
[21:42] <stweston> Odd-rationale: what about my USB device?
[21:42] <stweston> I need that to install something, apparrently... kinda.
[21:42] <Odd-rationale> stweston: if it is connected, it should be listed... you should recognize it by it's size...
[21:43] <stweston> okay...
[21:43] <Odd-rationale> for example, if you got a 4gb usd stick, you will see a heading like "Disk /dev/sdb: 4.0 GB... " etc
[21:44] <Odd-rationale> *usb
[21:44] <stweston> okay.
[21:44] <Odd-rationale> gtg... bbl
[21:44] <stweston> thanks
[21:47] <vidd> how do you manually set dns in this new nm?
[21:48] <TheSheep> vidd: sudo vim /etc/resolv.conf
[21:49] <Marcha> Народ
[21:49] <Marcha> Кто щас не занят?
[21:50] <TheSheep> !ru | Marcha
[21:50] <Marcha> У меня там бан
[21:50] <Marcha> У меня там бан
[21:50] <TheSheep> !ur
[21:51] <TheSheep> hmm..
[21:51] <TheSheep> no Ukraine :/
[21:51] <Marcha> Не может быть
[21:51] <atarinox> Hi,
[21:51] <stweston> hi atarinox
[21:52] <atarinox> I was wondering if somebody might help me with a slow internet problem
[21:52] <TheSheep> Marcha: we can't understand you, speak English please, or see the channels in other languages
[21:52] <atarinox> i'm using a RT2500 card
[21:52] <atarinox> and the default intrepid drivers
[21:52] <Marcha> Та иди ты
[21:53] <atarinox> My wireless signal strength is consistently around 50%...and it takes ages to load web pages
[21:58] <atarinox> Or...how can i go about installing a different driver?
[22:00] <spowney> he
[22:00] <spowney> hey
[22:01] <spowney> how come when i use fdisk -l im getting cannot open /sda, /sdb, etc
[22:01] <stweston> have you done it with sudo?
[22:01] <spowney> lol
[22:01] <stweston> ?
[22:01] <stweston> well, have you?
[22:01] <spowney> sorry laughing at myself
[22:01] <spowney> cheers
[22:01] <stweston> oh.
[22:01] <spowney> ty for help
[22:02] <stweston> yup!
[22:02] <stweston> no problem
[22:29] <DetroitLibertyPe> does anybody know why when I edited my X11.config to allow the scroll buttons on my trackball to work, then Xubuntu would not shut down properly?
[23:19] <DetroitLibertyPe> so, nobody  on why getting my mouse to works makes the PC not shut down properly?