[00:01] <Riddell> ah, such innocence
[03:17] <ScottK> apachelogger: http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117995653.html?categoryid=19&cs=1
[06:57] <mars_> hi
[06:58] <mars_> it's the first time i don't upgrade my kubuntu before the release of a new stable version and now i'm wondering if something will popup for telling me that 8.10 is out and that i can upgrade? I think to people wich are not following kubuntu.org and wich would like to stay up to date.
[07:07] <yuriy> mars_: no. 8.04 to 8.10 is a huge change, so the developers decided against poping up something asking for people to upgrade
[07:37] <supertones> now that kdenlive has been released are there plans for a package?
[07:41] <supertones> here is the release announcement if anyone is interested http://www.kdenlive.org/content/2008-11-12-kdenlive-07-released
[11:52] <apachelogger> ScottK: one would assume an oil-producing city should have enough money these days ... though it's probably the salad kind of oil ;-)
[12:10] <apachelogger> Riddell: you should blog about cmake 2.6.2
[12:11] <NCommander> Do you want cmake backported to hardy?
[12:12] <apachelogger> dunno, maybe Riddell already did
[12:12] <apachelogger> but in general that would be a good idea
[12:12] <smarter> apachelogger: http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3750 ? :)
[12:12] <NCommander> Nope
[12:12] <NCommander> Not backported to hardy
[12:12] <NCommander> apachelogger, please file a backporting request
[12:12] <apachelogger> smarter: nice
[12:12] <apachelogger> Riddell++
[12:13] <smarter> who's that pgquiles that advertise his scary PPA? https://edge.launchpad.net/~pgquiles/+archive
[12:13] <apachelogger> if only I knew
[12:13] <apachelogger> I need rgreening
[12:14] <apachelogger> gotta fix that menu issue
[12:14] <apachelogger> maybe I should just upload a testing package for now
[12:14] <Riddell> NCommander: `if you want to test thta cmake 2.6.2 works in hardy that would be lovely
[12:15]  * NCommander shall
[12:15] <apachelogger> jdong: we still didn't talk about how many cookies it takes to make me a backport dude
[12:16]  * apachelogger notes that if the networkmanager plasmoid icon had any worse resolution one ould easily count the pixels
[12:16] <Riddell> artwork is still in progress for that
[12:17] <apachelogger> yeah, I like the current state though, makes my desktop look geeky :D
[12:17] <apachelogger> kubotu: time rgreening
[12:17] <kubotu> America - St Johns - Thu Nov 13 08:47 NST
[12:18] <apachelogger> oh well, I better upload a testing package
[12:22] <Nightrose> smarter: he should be on irc as pgquiles__ right now
[12:33] <apachelogger> aahhh
[12:33] <apachelogger> rgreening already uploaded a revised patch
[12:35] <Riddell> he's good like that
[12:36] <apachelogger> I like my versoin better though, it's finer cpp :P
[12:36]  * apachelogger merges
[12:38] <apachelogger> Riddell: I find the menu spec a bit weird ... seems only half thought through
[12:39] <Riddell> for some reason the case of different desktops having different .menu files was never in it originally and was only added when I complained later
[12:41] <apachelogger> IMHO it shouldn't be that way. applications.menu should be regulating the raw menu structure and special desktop files should only care about specifing their specific stuff
[12:42] <apachelogger> using the everyDE-gets-its-own-applications.menu-file approach you can technically end up with changing menu structure depending on where you run an application
[12:43] <apachelogger> in a KDE environment it would use the kde strucutre, in a GNOME environment with set env var chance is good that kbuildsycoca will be invoked and you get a different menu structure
[12:43] <apachelogger> in the openwith dialog for example
[12:51] <apachelogger> rgreening: yo
[12:52] <rgreening> apachelogger: o/
[12:53] <apachelogger> rgreening: since one of my 5 browser sessions decided to reposte my comment I didn't see your patch, which meant first thing I did today was creating a patch myself, I now merged my approach with yours and upload to experimental right now
[12:53] <rgreening> lol
[12:54] <apachelogger> rgreening: http://paste.ubuntu.com/71347/
[12:54] <rgreening> I was just going to test my patch (I have built it local on my system)
[12:54] <apachelogger> seems to be working
[12:55] <apachelogger> at least that is what strace says
[12:55] <apachelogger> rgreening: btw, you don't need brackets for a one-line body
[12:55] <apachelogger> makes the if look better ;-)
[12:56] <rgreening> It's all personal style :)
[12:56]  * apachelogger just hopes that he didn't break build when merging
[12:56] <apachelogger> rgreening: ok, let me use the other reason, not using brackets decreases the diff size and thus is preferable :P
[12:57] <rgreening> lol
[12:57] <rgreening> 2 char
[12:57] <apachelogger> that sums up
[12:57] <apachelogger> anyway
[12:57] <apachelogger> upload finished
[12:59] <apachelogger> rgreening: btw, better suggestions how to solve this upstream?
[12:59] <rgreening> apachelogger: which PPA? kubuntu-members-kde4?
[12:59] <apachelogger> experimental
[12:59] <rgreening> I don't remember that one...
[12:59]  * rgreening searches
[13:00] <apachelogger> https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-experimental/+archive
[13:00] <apachelogger> rgreening: I think forcing a value upon the prefix upstream makes most sense
[13:00]  * rgreening stops searching :)
[13:01] <apachelogger> make the prefix a cmake var and install the application.menu accordingly... force a value upon the prefix var
[13:01] <rgreening> apachelogger: Hmm... maybe...
[13:02] <apachelogger> that way KDE doesn't need to patched for that stuff anymore and still stays 100% compatible with the somewhat weird spec
[13:02] <apachelogger> rgreening: I was ranting about it just before you joined ;-)
[13:03] <rgreening> ah... yeah, forgot to leave my session open so I could catch up .. hehe
[13:04] <apachelogger> rgreening: http://paste.ubuntu.com/71351/
[13:05] <rgreening> yeah. I agree
[13:11] <rgreening> Ideally, if the spec forced the DE's to implement the prefix scheme for DE specific menu's and no prefix for 3rd party stuff, rather than let different DE's collide.
[13:13] <apachelogger> well
[13:14] <apachelogger> either the spec should find a way to properly define the original idea of having a common applications.menu for all DEs, which eventually brings new problems to be considered in the spec
[13:14] <apachelogger> or like you said force different menus in general
[13:15] <apachelogger> though I think the former is to be prefered, since the .menus from KDE and GNOME are pretty much the same considering the raw structure
[13:16] <supertones> rgreening: i remember you once saying kdenlive-kde4 was of interest to you...They finally released a final version of 0.7 any chance of a package for say experimental?
[13:16] <apachelogger> supertones: first jaunty, then experimental I'd say
[13:16] <supertones> k
[13:19] <apachelogger> Riddell:  the cmake hardy upload you did to experimental was contributing to the PPA build loop of death, I now removed the package
[13:20] <apachelogger> Riddell: I guess the intrepid one can be removed as well now that it is in backports?
[13:21] <Riddell> oops
[13:21] <Riddell> yes it can go
[13:21] <Riddell> well, at some point we'll want PPA packages that use 2.6.2
[13:21] <Riddell> does that mean 2.6.2 doesn't work in hardy?
[13:22] <apachelogger> Riddell: Missing dependencies: debhelper (>= 6.0.7~)
[13:23]  * apachelogger tries to remember where we wanted to stuff 4.2-pre-stable-releases in
[13:23] <apachelogger> prolly experimental, so leaving cmake around makes sense :)
[13:24] <Riddell> we wanted it in kubuntu-members-kde4, but that's scuppered by us using that for 4.1.3 and not -updates
[13:25] <rgreening> supertones: Yeah, I gave it a quick go with the beta a while back, but it needs some newer packages not in the repos. So we need to package those first. Jaunty -> Intripid will def be the path in that case.
[13:26] <apachelogger> Riddell: I think we should only move it to members-kde4 once 4.2.0 is out
[13:26] <apachelogger> that way we can keep application updates in members-kde4
[13:26] <apachelogger> e.g. amarok-kde4
[13:27] <Riddell> right
[13:27] <NCommander> Need any help packaging 4.1.3?
[13:27] <Riddell> keep it in -experimental until the .0
[13:28] <Riddell> NCommander: 4.1.3 is all packaged, it just needs us to persuade $powers that it can go into -updates
[13:28] <NCommander> ah
[13:28] <NCommander> What's a SMALL package that uses cmake to build?
[13:28] <Riddell> any idea what dh_ script install debian/copyright?
[13:28] <NCommander> builddeb I think
[13:29] <a|wen> Riddell: dh_installdocs IIRC
[13:29] <Riddell> NCommander: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=opengtl  uses cmake, you can revu it if you like :)
[13:30] <Riddell> a|wen: that seems to fix it, thanks
[13:30]  * NCommander whacks Riddell 
[13:30] <Riddell> I wonder why dh_make gives me a template which doesn't use that
[13:30] <NCommander> Riddell, no ack until the lintian errors disappear :-)
[13:31] <a|wen> yeah, that sounds weird
[13:36] <NCommander> Riddell, Backports ACK on cmake 2.6.2 for Hardy
[13:37] <Riddell> NCommander: what about the issue apachelogger said earlier?  Missing dependencies: debhelper (>= 6.0.7~)
[13:37] <apachelogger> maybe we have >= 6.0.7 in backports
[13:37] <apachelogger> PPAs only use -updates
[13:38] <apachelogger> Package: debhelper (7.0.13ubuntu1~hardy1)
[13:38] <apachelogger> yus
[13:38] <Riddell> so we do
[13:38] <Riddell> ok, backporting
[13:38] <Riddell> NCommander: what's your LP username?
[13:38] <NCommander> Riddell, sonicmctails
[13:38] <NCommander> Riddell, we backported debhelper 7 <g>
[13:39]  * NCommander is very proud of himself for that little magic trick
[13:39] <Riddell> does anyone use debhelper 7?
[13:40] <NCommander> You'd be disturbed
[13:41] <NCommander> Its why I actually had to fight to get that backported
[13:41] <NCommander> But we've yet to break anything
[13:43] <NCommander> woo, 95 uploads
[13:44] <apachelogger> bug #271516
[13:48] <NCommander> apachelogger, care to REVU the packaging ;-)?
[13:48] <apachelogger> NCommander: which one?
[13:48] <NCommander> kradioripper
[13:48] <apachelogger> at it right now
[13:48] <apachelogger> I did already 3 times anyway :P
[13:54] <NCommander> When you need the second ACK, I'll review
[13:58] <apachelogger> NCommander: you could review monkeystudio
[13:58] <apachelogger> jaunty is the thrid targeted cycle to get it in ;-)
[13:58] <NCommander> apachelogger, fixing GNOME ATM :-)
[13:58] <apachelogger> NCommander: ok, I'll tell you again in 5 years :P
[13:59] <NCommander> apachelogger, I'll look at it in 20 minutes
[14:01] <seele> so.. status on kubuntu meeting?
[14:02]  * NCommander is for
[14:02] <apachelogger> seele: tuesday
[14:03]  * apachelogger will write an announcement when he is home
[14:04] <apachelogger> seele: you (KC) will have to do the voting about Arby's application via mail, or postpone to the post-UDS meeting
[14:04] <seele> apachelogger: what time on tuesday?
[14:04] <apachelogger> 7 UTC I think
[14:05] <seele> 2am EST?
[14:05] <seele> -5 right?
[14:05] <seele> or are we -4 now
[14:06] <apachelogger> http://doodle.com/participation.html?pollId=tvt9bb3fvtbqda8v
[14:06] <apachelogger> 6th slot on tuesday it is
[14:07] <seele> oh.. you mean 14:00 :P
[14:07] <apachelogger> that is very possible indeed
[14:07] <apachelogger> 19 UTC
[14:07] <apachelogger> <3 UTC
[14:08] <Riddell> NCommander: new http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=opengtl up, lintian 0 bytes :)
[14:08] <seele> yeah, i've got a meeting at the time.. oh well
[14:08] <apachelogger> seele: maybe we can even discuss for 3 hours straight, then yuriy could do his vote ;-)
[14:08] <NCommander> Riddell, no watch file
[14:08] <apachelogger> Riddell: no manpages
[14:09] <Riddell> can't say I've ever used watch files
[14:09] <Riddell> http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=libspnav needs a revu too
[14:09] <apachelogger> however, I don't know if the poor tools even need manpages, caue I can't compile it
[14:09]  * apachelogger stars crying
[14:10] <rgreening> apachelogger: kdelibs buiult in experimental
[14:10] <rgreening> apachelogger: or just about..
[14:13] <apachelogger> Riddell: is llvm (>= 2.3-1~exp0) not yet in jaunty?
[14:14] <seele> apachelogger: did you set the meeting yet?  i might be able to do 20:00UTC
[14:14] <seele> (or be by soon after starting)
[14:16] <apachelogger> seele: nope, though starting at 20UTC should be possible
[14:16] <apachelogger> jtechidna and rgreening would only be around for an hour though
[14:17] <rgreening> le t me check the time... I may be able to make myself available...
[14:19] <jtechidna> bug 297659
[14:19] <jtechidna> won't fix?
[14:19] <apachelogger> Nightrose: tell your bf to drop his custom statistics icon and use view-statistics instead
[14:19] <apachelogger> theming statistics is impossible because it breaks the theme
[14:20] <JontheEchidna> actually it doesn't even depend on it in the first place
[14:20] <apachelogger> Riddell: opengtl refuses to build here
[14:22] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: it does
[14:22] <apachelogger> through kubuntu-artwork-usplash IIRC
[14:23] <JontheEchidna> actually it's direct according to apt-cache show
[14:23] <JontheEchidna> though if you uninstalled those you would have to uninstall kubuntu-desktop anyway
[14:24] <apachelogger> anyway
[14:24] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: ubuntu-desktop probably depends on their usplash theme
[14:24] <apachelogger> so there should be a bug against it as well
[14:24] <apachelogger> anyway
[14:25]  * apachelogger forgot what he wanted to say all along
[14:25] <JontheEchidna> ok, so since the theme itself is in default-settings default-settings should depend on usplash?
[14:25] <rgreening> apachelogger: If 20UTC is == 5:30PM (GMT -3:30 here), then I can do it.
[14:26] <apachelogger> rgreening: 7th slot @ doodle
[14:26] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: kubuntu-artwork-usplash is a binary package of kds
[14:26] <apachelogger> ah!
[14:26]  * apachelogger remembers his opinion again
[14:26] <JontheEchidna> so kubuntu-artwork-usplash should do the depending
[14:26] <NCommander> apachelogger, what package needed review?
[14:26] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: won't fix, once you change the default splash you don't have a common kubuntu-desktop in the natural meaning anymore
[14:26] <apachelogger> NCommander: monkeystudio
[14:27] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: the only sensible solution for this would be to create a kubuntu theme for splashy then kubuntu-desktop can depend on kubuntu-artwork-upslash|kubuntu-artwork-splashy
[14:27] <rgreening> apachelogger: you are correct 4:30NST (I forgot we are off NDT now). So, yeah... I can do that.
[14:27] <apachelogger> also, I have no clue what splashy is and why one would want ot use this
[14:28] <apachelogger> rgreening: for how long?
[14:28] <NCommander> apachelogger, why haven't you plus 1ed it?
[14:28] <apachelogger> NCommander: because I didn't look at it yet
[14:28] <NCommander> ok
[14:28] <apachelogger> that package is a biatch to review
[14:28] <rgreening> apachelogger: as long as needed. I had a class, but it's cancelled. So, I'm free
[14:29] <apachelogger> rgreening: perfect
[14:29] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I supose you are only one hour around?
[14:29] <NCommander> apachelogger, my inital review is good
[14:29] <NCommander> I'll test build and do a more indept REVU <g>
[14:29] <JontheEchidna> yeah, I'm really supposed to be doing homework at 20 UTC
[14:30] <JontheEchidna> or, one hour past that
[14:31] <apachelogger> okies
[14:31] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: you don't have any say on the bzr thing anyway :P
[14:32] <JontheEchidna> :P
[14:32] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: do you have some opinion on it?
[14:32] <JontheEchidna> what exactly about bzr is on the agenda?
[14:32] <apachelogger> moving the packaging of all KDE core packages to bzr
[14:33] <JontheEchidna> sounds good to me
[14:33] <JontheEchidna> that way nobody doing packaging has any excuse for not using batscripts
[14:33] <JontheEchidna> :D
[14:33] <apachelogger> lol
[14:38] <Riddell> apachelogger: why did opengtl refuse to build?   llvm deb at kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/
[14:41] <NCommander> apachelogger, monkeystudio looks good so far
[14:42] <NCommander> Lintian src/bin clean, builds in jaunty chroot, and installs
[14:42] <DaSkreech> emonkey studio ?
[14:43] <apachelogger> NCommander: is the source in sensible condition? I had quite some arguments with upstream about proper source distribution
[14:43] <NCommander> apachelogger, seems so, but I can't ACK
[14:43] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=libspnav
[14:43] <apachelogger> Riddell: and it FTBFS
[14:44] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/71395/
[14:47] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: Hiya!
[14:48] <apachelogger> Riddell: builds with libx11-dev and looks good otherwise
[14:48] <apachelogger> NCommander: why can't you ACK?
[14:49] <NCommander> apachelogger, if you have it installed, try making a new project
[14:49] <NCommander> Doesn't work, no templates installed
[14:49] <apachelogger> oh my
[14:49] <NCommander> yeah
[14:50] <apachelogger> rgreening: did you give the new kde4libs a testdrive yet?
[14:50] <apachelogger> seems to work here
[14:50] <ScottK> So other than not working, the package is fine?
[14:50] <Riddell> http://arm.com/news/23761.html a whole new arch for NCommander to fix problems on :)
[14:51] <NCommander> Yup, I saw
[14:51]  * NCommander expected it
[14:51] <apachelogger> the n810 uses arm, doesn't it? :P
[14:51] <Riddell> yes
[14:51] <NCommander> Riddell, do me a favor and accept svk into proposed
[14:52] <NCommander> Yup
[14:52] <NCommander> to apachelogger
[14:54] <Riddell> apachelogger: why optional?  spnav doesn't seem like something you'd want installed unless you know what it is
[14:57] <apachelogger> Riddell: good point.. though, why is there no lib?
[14:58] <apachelogger> ahhhh
[14:58] <Riddell> it's just a static library
[14:59] <apachelogger> Riddell: that is the SDK isn't it?
[15:00] <Riddell> apachelogger: what?
[15:00] <apachelogger> the package
[15:01] <apachelogger> anyway
[15:01] <apachelogger> Riddell: that description is confusing
[15:02] <apachelogger> is it a driver, is it a SDK, is it a project, is it a driver, SDK and project in that single -dev package?
[15:02]  * apachelogger is using that
[15:02] <Riddell> all of them
[15:03] <apachelogger> Riddell: okies, despite the fact that I have no clue what the use case for this package would be at all, I agree with the extra priority
[15:03] <Riddell> use case is koffice2 wants it
[15:03] <rgreening> apachelogger: just updating now...
[15:04] <apachelogger> ohhh
[15:04] <apachelogger> Riddell: add the missing build-dep and you get an ACK
[15:05] <apachelogger> rgreening: you might want to write a test case as you are doing this, we will need one for the SRU
[15:06] <apachelogger> something like "install wine, download itunes, install itunes with wine, check kde menu"
[15:06] <Riddell> new version uploaded to revu
[15:07] <rgreening> apachelogger: k. will do..
[15:10] <apachelogger> Riddell: acked an archived
[15:10] <Riddell> yay, I am a packager now!
[15:10] <DaSkreech> \o/
[15:14] <Riddell> apachelogger: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=spavenavd appearing in a minute
[15:40] <rgreening> apachelogger: test case added to bug 297195
[16:09] <Riddell> rgreening: don't let pino make you feel bad, that change havn't been uploaded to debian yet, it's only in their svn
[16:12] <DaSkreech> Where are the docs for landscape?
[16:13] <rgreening> Riddell: lol. nah, I can see he's an interesting character, so `cat /dev/null > comments` is my friend :)
[16:14] <Riddell> he's lovely (most of the time :)
[16:14] <Riddell> DaSkreech: you'd need to pay Canonical to get them
[16:15] <DaSkreech> Riddell: So how do I append ot the MOTD ?
[16:15] <Riddell> echo foo >> /etc/motd ?
[16:17] <rgreening> we don't have am2cmake anywhere? dam... was going to try and start looking at porting KlamAv...
[16:18] <rgreening> nm.. got if from kdesdk src...
[16:19] <ScottK> DaSkreech: Ask kirkland.  He put that together.
[16:30] <DaSkreech> :-*
[17:03] <un> is there anything i can do without having kdesvn compiled? artwork needed? bug reportin' needed?
[17:03] <un> n/m i think i'll install arch, and compile kdesvn then code...
[17:06] <smarter> he would have learned about kde-nightly if he had stayed 2 more minutes :)
[17:06] <rgreening> Riddell: for Gnome, they have a software-properties program like our kde version, and it installs a .desktop file to the users menu. should we add a desktop file as well?
[17:07] <Riddell> I don't see a reason for having that
[17:07] <Riddell> the package manager is the right place to edit package sources
[17:08] <rgreening> I suppose. Ok.
[17:09] <rgreening> Riddell: what can I work on next? Got anything my size :)
[17:09] <Riddell> lots of merges to be done
[17:09] <Riddell> k3b, konversation if you know KDE 3 packaging
[17:10] <Riddell> take your pick from merges.ubuntu.com
[17:10] <rgreening> Ok, I'll have a peek.
[17:12] <apachelogger> \o/
[17:12] <rgreening> Riddell: I'll take konversation and try it. Are these recorded anywhere to prevent dup effort?
[17:12] <DaSkreech> When is k3b shipping for KDE4?
[17:13] <sebas> I understand k3b/kde4 will be ready soon
[17:13] <sebas> Probably soon enough for Jaunty
[17:13] <sebas> In fact, I hope Amarok, Digikam *and* k3b will make it
[17:14] <apachelogger> somehow people say that all the time :P
[17:14] <sebas> I'm running digikam4 for some time already, really only minor bugs left
[17:14] <sebas> And k3b ... well it starts and looks OK. Didn't try to burn yet
[17:15] <apachelogger> sebas: last time I tried it (which was about half a year ago) it also started, but burning ended in an epic fail
[17:15] <sebas> Reportedly, it works now
[17:16] <sebas> But yeah  ... see > believe
[17:16] <Riddell> rgreening: no they're not recorded, just ping the channel I guess top stop overlap
[17:16] <apachelogger> I guess we should try to accumulate a lot of feedback
[17:17]  * sebas tries to get networkmanager plasma applet done in time for Jaunty :)
[17:17] <apachelogger> every issue that can be fixed before jaunty makes me 0.0319% happier
[17:17] <apachelogger> sebas: _looking_ good already :)
[17:18] <sebas> yeah, we only need to get it to actually work :>
[17:18] <Riddell> details..
[17:18] <apachelogger> *nod*
[17:18] <apachelogger> you have to see it this way: knetworkmanager is looking bad and not working
[17:18] <apachelogger> so in a way the plasmoid is already better ;-)
[17:19] <sebas> It's a bit like a supermodel, often the looks are enough to make it a good experience, she doesn't need to actually work ;)
[17:21] <apachelogger> Riddell: I think revu ate your spavenavd
[17:22] <Riddell> exists here http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=spacenavd
[17:22] <ScottK> apachelogger: That's Soyuz that eats uploads.
[17:22] <Riddell> helps if I don't typo
[17:23] <DaSkreech> apachelogger: How happy are you?
[17:25] <apachelogger> DaSkreech: -1290
[17:25] <apachelogger> ScottK: yeah, I was wondering if revu also started doing that
[17:26] <yuriy> apachelogger: knetworkmanager not working?
[17:26] <ScottK> It's actually much better than it used to be.
[17:27] <apachelogger> still too far away from perfect IMHO
[17:27] <yuriy> I have an issue with it crashing NetworkManager when trying to connect to a WPA2 network. I've run into this on 2 machines now, but I can't find a bug report on it, so I guess I'll try it again tonight and collect the logs and report
[17:36] <apachelogger> Riddell: all the comments in your rules files make them pretty messed up alright :P
[17:37] <Riddell> make what messed up?
[17:38] <apachelogger> Riddell: the rules file
[17:38] <apachelogger> I am afraid my eyes might start bleeding from reading them
[17:38] <apachelogger> Riddell: copyright is wrong, license is gpl3+, not BSD
[17:38] <Riddell> it's well documented
[17:39] <apachelogger> #	dh_installmenu
[17:39] <apachelogger> #	dh_installdebconf	
[17:39] <apachelogger> #	dh_installlogrotate
[17:39] <apachelogger> ....
[17:39] <apachelogger> is not very good documentation though
[17:40] <apachelogger> 	# Add here commands to compile the package.
[17:40] <apachelogger> 	$(MAKE)
[17:40] <apachelogger> is close to redundancy IMHO
[17:41]  * apachelogger fiddles with his pbuilder
[17:43] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: how about a hook that adds a local dir to the sources.list?
[17:43] <apachelogger> certainly would improve the stack building experience
[17:56] <DaSkreech> Does a PDF printer ship by default in KDE4?
[18:01] <Riddell> does for Qt apps
[18:02] <DaSkreech> Can't print from Okular :(
[18:03] <DaSkreech> Well specifically when I have a PDF open
[18:04] <Riddell> umm
[18:04] <DaSkreech> I know I sound retarded
[18:04] <Riddell> I'm sure you have a perfectly rational explanation
[18:04] <DaSkreech> I'm trying to get this massive PDF file split into smaller files that I can carry around with memory errors everytime I open it to read
[18:05] <DaSkreech> So I want to print the first 100 pages as a PDF then when I'm finished reading that then print another hundred
[18:05] <DaSkreech> Instead of lugging around a file I can only open on a full blown PC
[18:05] <Riddell> pdfedit?
[18:07] <DaSkreech> wouldn't being able to print a PDF from a PDF be easier? :)
[18:07] <DaSkreech> why would you put in extra code to take out functionality?
[18:08] <rgreening> hmm... print preview in okular takes 100% cpu...
[18:08] <apachelogger> Riddell: spnavd.c:50:22: error: X11/Xlib.h: No such file or directory
[18:08] <apachelogger> spnavd.c:51:23: error: X11/Xutil.h: No such file or directory
[18:08] <apachelogger> rgreening: don't patch it, pino will eat you :P
[18:08] <rgreening> lol
[18:09] <apachelogger> seriously, pino gets all grumpy when someone is patching around in okular
[18:09] <Riddell> apachelogger: doh
[18:09] <rgreening> his pet project
[18:09] <apachelogger> Riddell: builds with libx11-dev as well
[18:10] <apachelogger> rgreening: eating people?
[18:10] <rgreening> haha
[18:13] <rgreening> Riddell: no Print to PDF option in okular (on a fresh install of Intrepid). Which I assume is due to no default PDF printer being defined anywhere
[18:13] <apachelogger> Riddell: W: spacenavd: binary-without-manpage usr/bin/spacenavd
[18:13] <apachelogger> W: spacenavd: binary-without-manpage usr/bin/spnavd_ctl
[18:13] <apachelogger> W: spacenavd: missing-depends-line
[18:13] <rgreening> DaSkreech: ^
[18:13] <DaSkreech> rgreening: try print from Konqueror
[18:13] <apachelogger> Riddell: I am going to ignore the manpage stuff, but the empty depends line appears wrongish
[18:14] <rgreening> DaSkreech: ah.. hmmm.. ok, the option is in konq but not in okular.
[18:15] <DaSkreech> rgreening: are you looking at a PDF?
[18:15] <rgreening> DaSkreech: ya
[18:16] <DaSkreech> rgreening: open a text file or jpeg
[18:16] <Riddell> NCommander: accepted svk
[18:16] <NCommander> \o/
[18:17] <Riddell> add needs-verification tag to bug and ask for testers
[18:17] <NCommander> I'll test it
[18:17] <DaSkreech> hi NCommander
[18:17] <NCommander> actually, I need to wait for it to build
[18:17] <NCommander> Hi DaSkreech
[18:17] <rgreening> DaSkreech: yeah, only gives the option if not already a PDF
[18:18] <rgreening> DaSkreech: bug or feature :)
[18:18]  * DaSkreech wants to print a PDF to a PDF :-(
[18:18] <rgreening> DaSkreech: convert PDF to odt and then back... (not ideal)
[18:19]  * DaSkreech throttles hismelf on the floor
[18:19] <apachelogger> hm
[18:19] <apachelogger> PDF -> PNG -> OCR software -> DOC -> ODT -> PDF
[18:19] <rgreening> haha
[18:20] <apachelogger> you could do that on 6 operatingsystems as well
[18:20] <apachelogger> DaSkreech: report a bug at http://bugs.kde.org, for now you probably should try pdfedit
[18:21] <DaSkreech> right-o
[18:24] <apachelogger> "hello. my name is Q"
[18:24] <apachelogger> I like that dude
[18:24] <Riddell> are you watching Star Trek pilots?
[18:26] <vorian> Q rules
[18:26]  * NCommander perfers R
[18:28] <Riddell> either that or James Bond
[18:28]  * Riddell goes to see James Bond shortly
[18:28] <vorian> the new one?
[18:28] <apachelogger> stark trek pilots \o/
[18:28] <vorian> it's terrible :/
[18:28] <apachelogger> hm
[18:29] <apachelogger> as if anyone watches a bond movie for the actual movie :P
[18:29] <DaSkreech> There is a new Bond Girl out?
[18:32] <vorian> yes
[18:32] <apachelogger> the dearest austrian pop radio said there are actually 2
[18:35]  * apachelogger is rofl
[18:35] <apachelogger> q++
[18:50] <seele> the James Bond movie doesn't come out until tomorrow for some of us
[18:50]  * seele is going tomorrow night whee
[18:50] <DaSkreech> Heehee
[18:52] <DaSkreech> Riddell: how about having okular suggest cups-pdf ?
[18:59] <Riddell> DaSkreech: better to file a bug on okular
[18:59] <vorian> nixternal: you are a pinko commie
[19:00] <vorian> :P
[19:04] <Riddell> ?
[19:06] <DaSkreech> Riddell: never mind cups-pdf doesn't work :-P
[19:15] <DaSkreech> apachelogger: Umm PDFedit is a page editor
[19:38] <DaSkreech> apachelogger: Evince fixed it
[19:47] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: would be handy
[19:50] <aparedes> Riddell: hi, any new thing or old thing i can help with?
[19:53] <DaSkreech> KDe 3.5.10 needs packaging
[19:56] <JontheEchidna> I'm pretty sure that every module that doesn't already have a KDE4 version is already at 3.5.10
[19:57] <JontheEchidna> unless you're joking? :P
[20:00] <DaSkreech> :-)
[20:00] <DaSkreech> We have pearson in any case
[20:02] <apachelogger> 3.5.10?
[20:02] <apachelogger> seriously
[20:02] <apachelogger> what is so bad about KDE 2?!?!
[20:02] <jjesse> apachelogger: i think i just saw that question on kubuntu-users
[20:03] <apachelogger> I might have underestimated the kubuntu-users list then
[20:03] <apachelogger> http://www.kde.org/screenshots/images/large/kde2final_1.jpg
[20:04] <apachelogger> don't you remember kandalf that old lad
[20:04] <DaSkreech> I liked Kandalf :-(
[20:04]  * DaSkreech was proposing a new mascot for KDE4
[20:05] <apachelogger> http://dot.kde.org/972331966/972368338/Kde2-5.jpg
[20:07] <vorian> wow
[20:07] <vorian> that is awesome
[20:07] <apachelogger> http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/2531/1/
[20:07] <rgreening> anyone here use the grab-merge.sh from merges.ubuntu.com?
[20:07] <jjesse> wow those images bring me back
[20:07] <apachelogger> there read about it
[20:07] <apachelogger> KDE 2 is pure awesomeness
[20:08] <mok0> rgreening: yes, a modified version of it
[20:09] <rgreening> mok0: you using dad maybe?
[20:09] <mok0> rgreening: mostly
[20:09] <rgreening> ah.
[20:10] <rgreening> mok0: I haven't used it before, was just going to try and do the merge for konversation.
[20:10] <mok0> rgreening: just be careful, because it deletes everything in the cwd
[20:10] <rgreening> yeah, I know.
[20:11] <mok0> rgreening: I got rid of that part :-)
[20:12] <rgreening> mok0: just lookng at the REPORT and I see a bunch of 'C', are these auto merged? and I only need to resolve the 'C*' ones?
[20:13] <mok0> rgreening: those are files with conflicts, you need to edit them and resolve the merging problems. The two versions are both in there, with >>>> and <<<< markers
[20:13] <rgreening> oh, I was looking for the +++ ---, that's why I never saw anything... heh
[20:13] <mok0> rgreening: separated by a [20:13] <mok0> heh
[20:13] <rgreening> ah. cool.
[20:14] <mok0> indeed
[20:34] <meson10> Riddell: ping ?
[20:44] <Sime_> who is Ralph Janke?
[20:50] <Nightrose> Sime_: txwikinger
[20:50] <txwikinger> yes?
[20:50] <Sime_> thanks. I just saw that he has been working on userconfig-kde4.
[20:50] <Sime_> hi
[20:50] <txwikinger> hi
[20:51] <Sime_> someone emailed me asking about the status of guidance + KDE4.
[20:51] <Sime_> I just had a look at launchpad and say your work. ;-)
[20:51] <Sime_> does it work?
[20:51] <txwikinger> Well.. it works standalone
[20:51] <txwikinger> I did get to integrade it into guidance
[20:51] <txwikinger> didnot
[20:52] <Sime_> are you running kde trunk?
[20:52] <txwikinger> I also did not find any docu how to do this in KDE4
[20:52] <Sime_> it should be possible to get it running in systemsettings in KDE 4 too.
[20:53] <txwikinger> Well.. I did not find the docu how to connect it to systemsettings
[20:53] <txwikinger> I was able to somehow be recognised by systemsettings and the icon be shown
[20:53] <txwikinger> but it would not start because the I did not find how to do the logic inside
[20:54] <JontheEchidna> hmm, looks like you got farther than yuriy and I did then
[20:54] <txwikinger> yes I got it working standalone
[20:54] <JontheEchidna> nice
[20:54] <Sime_> in kde trunk -> kdebindings.... tools/kcm_example/ you can see how it should work.
[20:55] <txwikinger> ok. I will have a look at it
[20:55] <txwikinger> cannot promise when though.. my container will come next week and will will have to move into our place here
[20:57] <glade88> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/+bug/297794
[21:05] <Sime_> ;-)
[23:42] <aparedes> Hello. Is the something i can help out with?
[23:50] <DaSkreech> Yes
[23:51] <vorian> 3.5.10?
[23:51] <vorian> de
[23:51] <vorian> ja
[23:51] <vorian> vous