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[02:14] <bucket529> Could someone please change bug 296800 from 'Undecided' to 'Wishlist'?
[02:14] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 296800 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] Netactview" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/296800
[02:16] <nhandler> Done bucket529
[02:16] <bucket529> nhandler: Thank you!
[02:17] <nhandler> You're welcome bucket529
[02:19] <espacious> hi hi i have problems setting up my TEW424UB v.2 with latest ndis and latest ubuntu
[02:20] <angusthefuzz> espacious: have you tried #ubuntu?
[02:20] <espacious> yes.no reply
[02:20] <espacious> also searched forums
[02:20] <espacious> only old posts w had it working in 7.10
[05:29] <Hilton> Yes?
[05:30] <lifeless> No.
[05:30] <Hilton> Repeating my question as ordered. -> I'm reinstalling Ubuntu. It's been sitting at 82% "Scanning the mirror" for 15+ minutes now. Is there a way I can force it past this?
[05:30] <unfo> (lifeless:  i sent Hilton here.)
[05:30] <Hilton> Make that over 20 minutes now.
[05:32] <ropetin> Hilton: is it on a Virtual Machine or a real machine?
[05:32] <Hilton> Real.
[05:32] <ropetin> If you swap to a different console (I believe alt+F4) it should show what it's currently doing.  What does it say?
[05:33] <Hilton> every console just gives me a bash ubuntu@ubuntu
[05:33] <ropetin> Really?  Weird!
[05:33] <Hilton> except alt+f1, which says "Loading, please wait..." and has for a long time.
[05:33] <unfo> ropetin:  Hilton:  even vt4 (press ctrl+alt+f4)?
[05:34] <Hilton> I've checked all ctrl-alt-f1-f6.
[05:34] <ropetin> F4 doesn't show anything special at all?
[05:34] <Hilton> Nothing.
[05:36] <ropetin> I guess the obvious question is have you rebooted and tried again seeing as you've not actually installed anything
[05:36] <Hilton> Would it be bad if I killed apt-get in top?
[05:36] <ropetin> I'm pretty sure it would break the install process (but it's not really working now, so...)
[05:36] <Hilton> hmm
[05:37] <Hilton> what's the kill command again?
[05:37] <ropetin> kill {PID}
[05:37] <Hilton> That did it!
[05:37] <Hilton> and I had to put a sudo on that. :P
[05:38] <Hilton> Install continuing as normal.
[05:39] <ropetin> Weird
[05:39] <unfo> why did it happen?
[05:39] <Hilton> I think maybe it got hung up waiting for a site that wouldn't respond?
[05:39] <unfo> Hilton:  installer bugs are serious.  Could you please repro it for us and send a bug report with steps to repro?
[05:39] <Hilton> Or downloading a package list from a mirror with extremely low throughput.
[05:40] <Hilton> I've come across a couple of repositories that gave me <10KiB/sec ... wouldn't be surprised to find one in such a remote area, or so busy, that I got 1KiB/sec. That would be a long download for a package list.
[05:40] <unfo> Hilton:  Perhaps the TCP/IP world-change tools could help you simulate a slow network connection so you could repro the bug.  Do you know how to use them?
[05:41] <Hilton> Installation complete, restarting...
[05:41] <Hilton> unfo, I barely know how to use Linux. :P
[05:41] <unfo> Hilton:  :(
[05:42] <unfo> Hilton:  we could help you.
[05:43] <Hilton> Is it really a bug worth reproducing? The problem was likely a bad repository... perhaps just a suggestion to add timeouts or min. speed requirements? Or better yet, a small terminal output showing what's happening during operations like that.
[05:44] <unfo> Hilton:  *Every* grave bug (such as yours) is a bug worth putting in a little effort to repro.
[05:47] <Hilton> Well, let me see if I can get away from my *other* grave bug I'm trying to get around, then I'll get back to you :)
[05:50] <unfo> Hilton:  which?
[05:51] <Hilton> I have a Radeon 9600.
[05:51] <Hilton> The open source driver seems to be causing me GPU lockups, particularly if Desktop Effects is turned on; and FGLRX dropped support for it.
[05:52] <unfo> Hilton:  I think the installer bug is more grave.
[05:53] <Neurologic> Ok... hmm, I'm having an issue with Evolution Mail, it crashes upon opening preferences?
[05:53] <Hilton> unfo: Hundreds of people are having issues with R300-based cards not working.
[05:53] <unfo> Hilton:  :(
[05:53] <Hilton> In my case, it's far more grave than the installer bug, because I am trying to strip Windows off of my PCs.
[05:54] <Hilton> Unfortunately they are family PCs and must run a stable, friendly, foolproof OS for the other 5 non-computer-literate adults and 4 children. Windows fits that bill (surprisingly), but has been giving me other problems.
[05:55] <unfo> Hilton:  so don't use Desktop Effects.  bingo:  grave bug nullified.
[05:55] <unfo> :)
[05:55] <Hilton> I had just switched full time to Ubuntu, presuming that turning off Desktop Effects would eliminate the crashes. It only reduced them. There were 3 more GPU lockups (presuming GPU, since entire screen freezes except mouse cursor and entire system is unresponsive even to hotkeys) with DE turned off.
[05:57] <unfo> Hilton:  cantrepro wontfix :)  sorry, try #ubuntu for that.
[05:57] <Hilton> The entire Ubuntu community can't seem to answer this question. I'm trying a couple of ideas, then I'm giving up on Linux.
[05:58] <unfo> Hilton:  the entire Ubuntu community?  why do you say that?
[05:59] <Hilton> Every ubuntu channel I've been to, every forum I've read (and posted on), every related bug on the trackers, even small news articles on Linux-related sites...
[06:00] <unfo> all : does launchpad allow voting?
[06:00] <Hilton> It's a chicken-egg bug. Half of the people say "if the open source ati driver is causing problems, use fglrx" (which dropped support for my card), and hence the other half say "if fglrx doesn't work, use the open source ati driver". And that's as far as it ever goes.
[06:01] <Hilton> Would installing -dbg versions of the open source drivers give me more information in the log files/
[06:01] <Hilton> ?
[06:01] <ScottK> unfo: No.  You can mark a bug as affecting you too which is vaguely like voting apparently.
[06:02] <unfo> Hilton:  can you find an ATI bug with 100 votes or more?
[06:02] <unfo> *I mean affect-me-toos
[06:03] <Hilton> Not sure.
[06:03] <unfo> Neurologic:  sorry for slow response, I didn't see your line.  did you report it with apport?
[06:03] <Hilton> I know I found a lot of nearly-but-not-quite duplicates with quite a few people on each.
[06:04] <Neurologic> I don't know what apport is? O_o
[06:06] <Hilton> OOoo, there are Voodoo drivers... I should go dig out my ooold Diamond Monster Fusion 3D (my first 3D card - a Voodoo Banshee!). Maybe IT would run stable. :P
[06:07] <ropetin> Banshee?  I once ('99?) tried to get that working on (I think) Slackware, was a nightmare
[06:07] <ropetin> Probably a bit easier now
[06:07] <Neurologic> unfo, what's apport?
[06:08] <unfo> Neurologic:  it is the Ubuntu crash reporting tool.  What version of Ubuntu are you on?
[06:08] <Neurologic> Intrepid
[06:10] <Hilton> Okay, killing apt-get may have had a side effect after all. I'm getting this from Synaptic a couple times now:
[06:11] <Hilton> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[06:11] <Hilton> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[06:11] <Hilton> E: _cache->open() failed, please report.
[06:12] <Hilton> Any thoughts?
[06:15] <unfo> Neurologic:  please ping me when you talk to me.
[06:15] <unfo> Neurologic:  did you get Ubuntu's crash reporter popping up after the app crashed?
[06:16] <Neurologic> unfo, nope...It just...disappeared, I tried using "Report a problem" and it wont open?
[06:18] <unfo> Neurologic:  what won't open?  what did you click?  what doesn't happen?
[06:20] <Neurologic> unfo, "Report a problem", it's in the applications menu in ubuntu, the crash reporter DOESN'T come up, when evolution mail crashes, the window just closes
[06:21] <unfo> Neurologic:  do you know how to check if apport is enabled?  I don't remember how, it's a line somewhere in /etc/default/apport* or something
[06:22] <Neurologic> unfo, I don't, no, I'm new to linux
[06:23] <unfo> Neurologic:  :(
[06:24] <unfo> Neurologic:  I don't remember how to do it, sorry.  But to report a crash to launchpad, you must use Apport, which is the Ubuntu crash reporter.
[06:42] <unfo> Anyone here feel like helping Neurologic to ensure apport is enabled so they can report their evolution crash to launchpad?
[06:43] <Neurologic> unfo, I need to sleep, I'll deal with it tomorrow I suppose
[06:43] <unfo> Neurologic: ok.
[06:49] <dholbach> good morning
[07:06] <unfo> good midnight dholbach :)
[07:07] <dholbach> hi unfo
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[07:57] <thekorn_> good morning
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[08:09] <BUGabundo_work> good mornin
[08:09] <BUGabundo_work> when a bug reappears on a new release
[08:09] <BUGabundo_work> should the old ticket be reopened?
[08:10] <BUGabundo_work> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-power-manager/+bug/261084 just happened to me on my jaunty test systemn
[08:10] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 261084 in gnome-power-manager "Suspends again right after resume" [High,Fix released]
[08:13] <persia> BUGabundo_work, I'd recommend a new ticket with the "regression" tag.  While it's probably the same symptoms, it's unlikely to be the same bug, if it's truly Fix Released.
[08:15] <persia> Or maybe it's worth reopening that one, as you're not the only user who found that the bug wasn't closed for them.
[08:16] <BUGabundo_work> geee thanks for all the options! eheh
[08:17] <persia> Well, the general rule is that if the bug was actually closed, and the symptoms reappear, it's best to file a new report.
[08:17] <BUGabundo_work> ok
[08:17] <persia> If someone claims the bug is closed, but someone still has it, it's best to keep the old bug report.
[08:18] <persia> The difference being between a real fix for the bug (but there's another bug that looks the same), or an incomplete fix for a bug.
[08:18] <BUGabundo_work> the good thing about re-using a report, is that the devs already know about it, afaik
[08:18] <persia> It's a judgement call for any given bug, but in this case, given the bug history, it probably should have been reopened previously.
[08:19] <persia> Well, not necessarily, as some bugs are closed by bugsquad when the developer didn't include the bug number in the changelog.
[08:19] <persia> Also, lots of packages have bug subscribers, who get notified for new bugs, and these lists often include developers.
[08:20] <persia> Just reopening old bugs because one encounters a similar issue is counterproductive,  On the other hand, providing feedback that a given fix isn't complete is a useful part of dialog.
[08:20] <BUGabundo_work> eheh
[08:20] <BUGabundo_work> you keep at it... lol
[08:20] <BUGabundo_work> I know it's a tricky bussiness!
[08:20] <persia> So it really depends on whether you believe that you have the exact issue, and that the fix isn't complete, or if you think you might have something different, and want someone to look at it fresh.
[08:20] <BUGabundo_work> as you said: in the end, it's a "judgement call for any given bug"
[08:20] <BUGabundo_work> I guess I'll open a new one
[08:21] <BUGabundo_work> and have a mention of that bug
[08:21] <BUGabundo_work> if some dev or QA find it to be the same can always mark as dupe
[08:21] <persia> Right.  I tend to lean towards filing new bugs, as I often want people to look at it from a new perspective, and using tools like ubuntu-bug allows current information about my experience to be uploaded to the bug report.
[08:21] <BUGabundo_work> and reponed the OP
[08:21] <persia> Huh?  Don't do both.
[08:21] <BUGabundo_work> no no
[08:21] <BUGabundo_work> I won't!
[08:21] <BUGabundo_work> I'll open a new...
[08:22] <BUGabundo_work> and latter some one else can look at it
[08:22] <BUGabundo_work> and if they think it's a dupe, just mark it
[08:22] <persia> Oh, right.  So that if someone else thinks it's a dup, they can decide to reopen the old one.
[08:22] <BUGabundo_work> and reopen the original
[08:22] <BUGabundo_work> yeah
[08:22] <persia> Sorry.  I just got a little confused.
[08:23] <BUGabundo_work> no prob
[08:23] <BUGabundo_work> I get that often
[08:23] <BUGabundo_work> I guess it's the way I talk...
[08:32] <BUGabundo_work> persia: filed bug 297537
[08:32] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 297537 in gnome-power-manager "hibernate again right after resume" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/297537
[08:35] <BUGabundo_work> persia: do you know if the guy(s) that develop keytouch are around IRC?
[08:35] <BUGabundo_work> their page doesn't mention it!
[08:37] <persia> I don't
[09:14] <xteejx> Morning guys :)
[09:15] <PararaPatxin> Morning
[09:23] <BUGabundo_work> hi PararaPatxin
[09:23] <BUGabundo_work> hi xteejx
[09:23] <PararaPatxin> qué pasa Bugabundo
[09:23] <xteejx> Hi abundo
[09:25] <BUGabundo_work> are you hungry xteejx? you are eating parts of my nick!
[09:27] <xteejx> lol sorry :)
[09:27] <BUGabundo_work> np xteejx
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[09:46] <PararaPatxin> any expert in mysql server?
[09:48] <BUGabundo_work> just a tiny bit, PararaPatxin
[09:48] <BUGabundo_work> but maybe I can help?»
[09:48] <PararaPatxin> I think I've found a Bug in Ubuntu 8.x Desktop Edition
[09:49] <PararaPatxin> when I create a new user with the GRANT sentence, It doesn't let me connect into using the password I choosed.
[10:05] <xteejx> Hey guys I'm stumped what to do with bug 296008
[10:05] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 296008 in libdvdplay "libdvdcss2 not automatically installed when playing dvd" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/296008
[10:05] <xteejx> Can anyone help please? :)
[10:10] <Hobbsee> xteejx: wontfix :)
[10:10] <persia> xteejx, There's no good answer to that bug :(  It's valid, but the package in question can't be supplied easily.
[10:10]  * Hobbsee looks at it
[10:10] <xteejx> Yeah I'm kinda if'ing about it as to what to do
[10:10] <persia> libdvdread3 has some guidance, but automatic install is awkward for various legal reasons.
[10:10] <Hobbsee> This should still not have happened. Most of the Ubuntu supported DVD player applications should have searched for and/or installed libdvdcss.
[10:10] <Hobbsee> ^ is outright false.
[10:10] <Hobbsee> however
[10:10] <Hobbsee> !dvd
[10:10] <ubottu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:11] <xteejx> How can we have ubuntu-restricted-extras then for lame mp3 support?
[10:11] <xteejx> thats patented technology
[10:11] <persia> xteejx, patents vs. technogical tools to circumvent copy prevention for the purpose of copyright violation.  See counsel for more detail.
[10:12] <xteejx> Counsel?
[10:12] <xteejx> Can I leave this one with one of you guys with bug control please to set it wontfix (if applicable)?
[10:14] <persia> Counsel : someone who can give you legal advice.
[10:15] <xteejx> persia: Oh right, is it ok to leave this with someone from bug control though as I can't change it to wontfix yet my app hasnt been approved/rejected :)
[10:15]  * Hobbsee addsa  comment
[10:15] <persia> Well, I'm not sure if it's wontfix or invalid.  It's cantfix in some ways, but it's probably best addressed as a question (How can I install Restricted Format support) following Hobbsee's link above.
[10:15]  * Hobbsee marks wontfix
[10:15] <xteejx> I see, as its too controversial/risky?
[10:16] <xteejx> Hobbsee: Thanks :)
[10:16] <Hobbsee> xteejx: illegal in a whole bunch of countries, aiui.
[10:16] <xteejx> Really? What about the UK where I am, I've got support installed for pretty much everything lol
[10:16] <Hobbsee> same with w32codecs
[10:17] <xteejx> Ahh but I've got a legit copy of vista, and its on the same machine, will that cover it as the license is per computer, not per Os afaik
[10:18] <persia> xteejx, Well, seek counsel, but licenses are typically provided on an use-only basis in association with a given piece of software rather than in any other way (unless you're associated with a media production concern that negotiates something wider).
[10:18] <persia> So it's not OS-specific, but it would be e.g. Windows Media Player specific.
[10:19] <xteejx> persia: I work for a local radio station, my laptop is covered under PPL/PRS licensing laws in the UK ;)
[10:19] <persia> (as far as I understand.  The above is not legal advise)
[10:19] <persia> xteejx, That's a special case then :)  But you understand that it may not apply to the vast majority of users.
[10:19] <xteejx> persia: I understand - I'm covered anyway but just for reference for myself it was really - thanks :)
[10:20] <xteejx> persia, i doubt it'd apply to even 0.1% of our users lol but i'll check for future ref. :)
[10:21] <xteejx> Hobbsee: Thanks for the comment/change :)
[10:21]  * Hobbsee looks at libdvdread bugs
[10:21] <Hobbsee> xteejx: you're welcome :)
[10:21] <persia> Well, it's a small enough percentage of users that it's not worth checking.  There exist commercial options for users to purchase covered software that is compatible with Ubuntu (e.g. the default Dell installations).  There also exist free solutions that may or may not be legal in any given jurisdiction.  It's up to the user to decide what they want.
[10:22] <xteejx> In other words its on their own head if they decide to use it or not, and up to them to check if they're covered legally. So we only provide the OPTION to be able to use it, but up to users to check?
[10:22] <Hobbsee> xteejx: pretty much
[10:23] <Hobbsee> that's waht happens with the other codecs
[10:23] <xteejx> I get ya, same as M$ does really in that respect really
[10:26] <persia> Right.  In Intrepid, I believe the default system is supposed to point at both commercial and free solutions when users first encounter problematic files.
[10:30]  * Hobbsee hits more bugs with the wontfix stick
[10:31] <xteejx> That's what I thought as 'm sure in Hardy it offered the option in totem etc to auto install the codecs for mp3's not sure about DVD
[10:31] <Hobbsee> xteejx: it will, iirc.
[10:31] <Hobbsee> but will only grab libdvdread3 and such
[10:31]  * Hobbsee shakes fist at debian over libdvdread3
[10:31] <xteejx> lol
[10:32] <xteejx> Question: What is SMbus, is that the sound card bus?
[10:32] <Hobbsee> they took part of my changes.  But they didn't actually *check* what they took, so they didn't *actually* solve the bug that my upload did.
[10:32] <Hobbsee> (where did == fixed)
[10:35] <xteejx> !smbus
[10:35] <ubottu> Sorry, I don't know anything about smbus
[10:35] <xteejx> grr
[11:12]  * Hobbsee kills a few more bugs
[11:12] <Hobbsee> mvo: at some point, would it be possible to do https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libdvdread/+bug/206916 ?
[11:12] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 206916 in totem "Totem should give a dialog saying libdvdcss2 is required, instead of saying it can't read the disk." [Undecided,Confirmed]
[11:18] <Hobbsee> right.  Now I need another package to workon
[11:26] <seb128> Hobbsee: you can send a patch ;-)
[11:27] <Hobbsee> seb128: That's true.  I'm currently working on desktop-y type bugs at the moment though
[11:27] <Hobbsee> seb128: i presume it is a patch to totem?
[11:27] <seb128> Hobbsee: right, so what do you want to suggest?
[11:28] <Hobbsee> seb128: a dialog saying libdvdcss2 is required, if it can't play the disk because it's encrypted, inviting them to run the install-css.sh?
[11:32] <seb128> Hobbsee: I know we already had discussions about how much we can suggest things like that
[11:32] <Hobbsee> seb128: oh, did you?  What was the outcome?
[11:32] <seb128> Hobbsee: ie, having a "click here to install things which are not legal" in the default installation
[11:33] <Hobbsee> right, yes
[11:33] <seb128> that was a while ago and not a really clear limit
[11:34] <seb128> explaining about css would be fine, not sure if we can suggest installing it though
[11:34] <Hobbsee> seb128: how does one go about getting that clarified?
[11:34] <Hobbsee> So far, that's what I've done in u-r-e
[11:35] <persia> Perhaps we could vaguely suggest installing a CSS decryptor, and users would then search for available free (but maybe not legal) or commercial solutions.
[11:35] <Hobbsee> or point to the help.ubuntu.com doc on playing dvds
[11:37] <seb128> Hobbsee: no real clue about getting that clarified, I'm just pointing that having a "click here to install livdvdcss" could be an issue, we don't want to get in trouble for recommending things which should not be recommended
[11:38] <Hobbsee> seb128: yeah, I'd suspected that probably would be an issue, which was why I hadn't done it that way a while ago, and was trying to defer it to mvo :P
[11:38] <Hobbsee> seb128: thanks for the clues, though
[11:40] <Hobbsee> !autresponses
[11:40] <ubottu> Sorry, I don't know anything about autresponses
[11:40] <Hobbsee> !autoresponses
[11:40] <ubottu> Sorry, I don't know anything about autoresponses
[11:41] <Hobbsee> oh wow...
[11:41] <Hobbsee> bugsquad documentation looks very nice now
[11:48] <Hobbsee> dholbach: needs to regenerate his 5-a-day stats.
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[13:53] <chadwik> can someone have a look at bug 295311 for me pls, i'm not sure whether to set it as confirmed by the 2nd commenter as the hardware appears to be very similar, or set it to triaged and leave it to the kernel team to decide if its confirmed?
[13:53] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 295311 in linux "Backlight brightness does not change on Gateway P-6317 laptop" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/295311
[14:21] <hggdh> seb128, ping re. bug 182345
[14:21] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 182345 in nautilus "nautilus crashed with SIGSEGV in gconf_client_remove_dir()" [Unknown,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/182345
[14:21] <seb128> hggdh: hi
[14:21] <hggdh> hi
[14:21] <hggdh> Nautilus-actions is currently unmaintained
[14:22] <seb128> right
[14:22] <hggdh> it seems a fix to it was added to SVN about one year ago, but (since it is unmaintained) no new releases
[14:22] <hggdh> what is the procedure on this case?
[14:23] <seb128> upstream or for ubuntu? for ubuntu somebody needs to work on a debdiff and subscribe the ubuntu-universe-sponsors to the bug
[14:23] <hggdh> the fix is upstream (see http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=480179#c122)
[14:23] <ubottu> Error: Could not parse XML returned by Gnome: timed out (http://bugzilla.gnome.org/xml.cgi?id=480179)
[14:23] <hggdh> so we would need to cherry-pick this fix
[14:23] <seb128> right
[14:23] <hggdh> k
[14:24] <hggdh> I will try to get it
[14:24] <seb128> thanks!
[14:24] <seb128> brb
[15:02] <bdmurray> mvo: have you seen bug 230832 it seems to have a patch in the description
[15:02] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 230832 in apt "apt /usr/lib/apt/methods/http has proxy issues" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/230832
[15:05] <mvo> bdmurray: thanks, looking
[15:06] <hellboy3> are there any softwares like imovie for ubuntu
[15:07] <bdmurray> james_w: bug 295001 and bug 290716
[15:07] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 295001 in fcitx "GTK_IM_MODULE=XIM does not work" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/295001
[15:07] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 290716 in wireshark "[CVE 2008-468[1-5] - Wireshark up to 1.0.3 affected by multiple security vulnerabilities" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/290716
[15:57] <james_w> bdmurray: both are shining examples of collaboration.
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[16:22] <bddebian> Boo
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[16:57] <bucket529> For bug 117984, an XML file in e-d-s needs to be changed. Where is a guide to creating the patch to submit to Debian? First try at creating a patch.
[16:58] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 117984 in evolution-data-server "Weather calendar getting wrong data" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/117984
[16:58] <bucket529> correction: Submit patch to Gnome, of course
[16:59] <persia> bucket529, You might start with https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToFix .  It's fairly generic advice on creating useful patches.
[17:00] <persia> bucket529, Extra points with upstream for basing any patch on the upstream sources of course ...
[17:01] <bucket529> persia: Thanks. I'll try with Ubuntu source. If successful, I'll come back for extra credit.
[17:06] <hggdh> bucket529, please open an upstream bug (if none exists) and add you patch there as an attachment
[17:06] <bucket529> hggdh: Upstream bug exists
[17:06] <hggdh> good
[17:07] <hggdh> extra-extra points for checking if it applies to 2.24.1 (current stable), trunk, and 2.22.3 (Hardy stable)
[17:08] <bucket529> hggdh: It applies to both (checked). It's an old bug. In fact, 2.24.1 introduced a second typo on the same line!
[17:08] <hggdh> heh
[17:09] <hggdh> ah, would you be the one that already proposed the patch there?
[17:09] <bucket529> hggdh: Yes, but that's not a patch. I'm trying to learn to do it right
[17:10] <hggdh> bucket529, just noticed it. Yes, it would be much better if it is put as a diff
[17:10] <bucket529> hggdh: Soon it will.
[17:10] <hggdh> :-)
[17:11] <hggdh> bucket529, as soon as it is done, ping me, and I will raise it upstream
[17:11] <bucket529> hggdh: Will do. Thanks.
[17:16] <persia> Well, it's worth developing the practice of preparing a patch separately from the practice of the upstream workflow.  Once a patch is prepared, it's probably best resynchronised against the upstream VCS version.
[17:36] <hggdh> persia, yes, and this is where it will be applied. But upstream is also getting readdy to release a new stable version, and I would like to have it there also
[17:37] <hggdh> (if there is still time)
[17:41] <persia> hggdh, Certainly.  I don't mean to block you.  I just think it's easiest to learn one thing at a time :)
[17:42] <hggdh> heh. I follow you now... indeed
[17:53]  * Afwas is away: Ik ben bezig
[17:56] <hggdh> Afwas, when you return -- please disable away notification. thanks
[18:48] <mcas> ping bdmurray
[18:57] <bdmurray> mcas: hello
[18:57] <mcas> hi bdmurray
[18:58] <mcas> thanks for your response
[18:58] <mcas> i got an email that my membership in bugcontrol is about to expire
[19:06] <mcas> are you the correct contact for me?
[19:10] <bdmurray> mcas: yes, I am I'll extend it today
[19:10] <mcas> thank you bdmurray
[19:14] <bdmurray> mcas: you are all set, thanks for helping out!
[19:16] <mcas> thanks bdmurray
[19:27] <hggdh> bucket529, ping
[19:34] <bucket529> hggdh: pong
[19:35] <hggdh> bucket529, your Locations.xml seems to apply cleanly against trunk (I diff-ed it) except for the header
[19:35] <hggdh> you added 'encoding=utf8'
[19:36] <bucket529> hggdh: How unusual of me...
[19:37] <bucket529> hggdh: Anything I should do about that? Or should I just keep working my patch?
[19:38] <hggdh> bucket529, just take it out (we should not change the encoding)
[19:40] <bucket529> hggdh: Will do (later today, perhaps tomorrow)
[19:40] <hggdh> bucket529, thanks for the help
[22:58] <Hobbsee> \o/
[22:58] <Hobbsee> I made #2!
[23:09] <LimCore> hmm.. noone yet confirmed my *security* related bug.. it takes 10 seconds with g3 modem to confirm it.  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/296741
[23:09] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 296741 in network-manager "nm-applet G3 modem pin entry is visible " [Undecided,New]
[23:10] <LimCore> is this normal?  or how to expedite work on it
[23:16] <peratu> Any solution for this bug? -> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/291573
[23:16] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 291573 in linux "Ubuntu 8.10 live CD fails with error message" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[23:17] <LimCore> peratu: happened to me - it was bad media
[23:17] <LimCore> try buying CD's from better company
[23:18] <peratu> LimCore, Verbatim :-)
[23:18] <hggdh> LimCore, first off, one must have a G3 modem... not very common yet
[23:18] <peratu> I have tried with LiveCD and Alternate. Same error in both. I have tried to check the CD, and I have the same error too.
[23:19] <hggdh> peratu, can you install the ISO via a virtual machine (vbox, VMware, etc)?
[23:20] <hggdh> and there should be an option to check the ISO image also
[23:20] <peratu> hggdh, the iso image has passed the MD5 test. And, I haven't any viratul machine...
[23:21] <peratu> virtual
[23:23] <peratu> Uhm..., I can try it in another machine, with IDE dvd drive... I'll back in 1 minute.
[23:56] <drguildo> what status should be given to bugs that aren't being experienced anymore?
[23:59] <nhandler> drguildo: It depends. Was the actual source of the bug ever discovered? Or did it just go away after an upgrade?
[23:59] <drguildo> went away after an upgrade