| Keybuk | \o/ half way through the merges | 11:02 |
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| Hobbsee | yay! | 11:07 |
| seb128 | fta: did you look at cairo 1.8.2 for jaunty and if it can be synced? | 11:53 |
| lool | seb128: I wanted to relay a couple of things to you on the intrepid i386 desktop cd | 13:11 |
| lool | From a French user | 13:12 |
| seb128 | lool: hello | 13:12 |
| lool | (Hey!) | 13:12 |
| lool | Basically revolving around support for French | 13:12 |
| lool | a) langpack is obviously not installed :-/ do we care more about features or languages? I wonder | 13:12 |
| lool | b) menus are actually translated (upstream translations); not so much for the space savings, but for the effect it creates (top menus not translated but menus translated!), perhaps we should strip the translations in the .desktop files? | 13:13 |
| seb128 | that's not an easy one, we already drop some feature on the default install | 13:14 |
| seb128 | note that ubuntu-fr has a localized iso and they are getting cds pressed | 13:14 |
| lool | seb128: That's interesting | 13:14 |
| seb128 | the menus items is a side-effects, I don't really care either way | 13:15 |
| lool | seb128: I wanted to relay the complaints I heard because I think it's not an obvious choice for Ubuntu at large; perhaps it's something which deserves discussion at UDS, I don't know | 13:16 |
| seb128 | whoever is doing the comments should be joining IRC or the lists to discuss those ;-) | 13:16 |
| lool | I don't feel too good handing out CDs to French people anymore | 13:16 |
| seb128 | well, that's things we know about | 13:16 |
| seb128 | because the language packs are not on the CD? | 13:16 |
| lool | Yes | 13:17 |
| seb128 | right, me neither, I would recommend using the french iso | 13:17 |
| lool | i think until hardy, french was included; I guess some other langs were dropped though | 13:17 |
| seb128 | I think hardy still has the french language packs | 13:17 |
| seb128 | right, every cycle adds new features or extra code so the CD margin are shrinking | 13:17 |
| seb128 | and the easier way is to drop language packs on the way | 13:18 |
| seb128 | the reality is that one CD is not an easy limit nowadays | 13:18 |
| seb128 | we don't have good answer to that | 13:19 |
| pedro_ | seb128: hey, may you look at bug 297223? it sounds to me like a libeel issue but not completely sure, having a second opinion would be good ;-) | 13:19 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 297223 in nautilus "nautilus uses gnome-terminal instead of the preferred terminal application" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/297223 | 13:19 |
| seb128 | we already stopped shipping changelog, symlink duplicates files in packages, etc | 13:19 |
| seb128 | pedro_: not sure without looking at the code, just send it upstream on nautilus they will reassign if required, the people working on those components are the same anyway | 13:20 |
| lool | seb128: Is it sensible to offer our main installer in english is the question I'm worried about | 13:20 |
| lool | I never tried to install the langpacks from the live session though | 13:20 |
| seb128 | lool: ubiquity translations are on the CD | 13:20 |
| seb128 | lool: so the installer is localized | 13:20 |
| lool | Ok | 13:21 |
| seb128 | lool: we don't have language packs for the livecd environment though | 13:21 |
| seb128 | but that's not required to do the install | 13:21 |
| seb128 | and language packs are downloaded transparently during the installation if you have internet access | 13:21 |
| pedro_ | seb128: ok will do it, thanks! | 13:21 |
| seb128 | pedro_: you're welcome | 13:22 |
| lool | I suspect installing them in the live session is too big | 13:22 |
| seb128 | lool: probably not, but it would require downloading those and restarting the session, what is the goal exactly? | 13:22 |
| lool | Anyway, glad you know about it; I know it's not easy, and I'd welcome french back ;) | 13:22 |
| seb128 | right, me too | 13:22 |
| lool | seb128: The goal would just be allowing people to try out Ubuntu | 13:23 |
| seb128 | one way would be to drop openoffice ;-) but I don't think it's going to happen there | 13:23 |
| seb128 | lool: well, I would recommend burning the localized iso, which is what people have to do for any other distro anyway | 13:23 |
| lool | Yup | 13:24 |
| seb128 | lool: one other way we didn't really work on yet is to split the localized documentation | 13:24 |
| seb128 | it's done for gimp for example | 13:24 |
| seb128 | but doing it for evolution too would be a good win | 13:24 |
| seb128 | it's on my list but there is just too much to do | 13:24 |
| lool | Heh | 13:25 |
| seb128 | we could install the translations but not the localized documentation on the livecd | 13:25 |
| seb128 | I think softwares translations are what matters for demos | 13:25 |
| lool | Yeah | 13:26 |
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| tgm4883_laptop | Why is the totem mythtv plugin no longer available? | 16:42 |
| tgm4883_laptop | It's just gone, and from what I can tell from the changelog, for no other reason than we can use the UPNP server? | 16:43 |
| Ng | how come the logout/restart/shutdown options in FUSA do as asked immediately with no confirmation prompt? | 17:19 |
| mvo | Ng: there is a bug open about it | 17:24 |
| mvo | https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fast-user-switch-applet/+bug/283095 | 17:24 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 283095 in fast-user-switch-applet "logout needs confirmation" [Low,Triaged] | 17:24 |
| mvo | Ng: I personally find #282403 confusing | 17:25 |
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| * Ng waits for firefox to load. I have far too many old tabs in my session ;) | 17:30 | |
| Ng | mvo: hmm yeah, that should definitely display an option to authorise and shutdown anyway. Even if you pick a "actually no just log me out" type option I don't like being punted back to gdm because afair it gives no indication that people are logged in | 17:32 |
| Ng | we should definitely use a face browser login which shows who is logged in, and encourage the use of cheese/memaker to make user avatars, imho :) | 17:32 |
| dobey | nooooo :) | 17:33 |
| Ng | why not? :) | 17:34 |
| dobey | well, "who" integration with gdm would be nice, for multi-user i guess | 17:38 |
| dobey | i don't want to be forced to pick an avatar to use when i am the only user of the system though | 17:39 |
| Ng | a reasonable default image and non-annoying information about customising it? :) | 17:39 |
| dobey | no | 17:45 |
| dobey | no image is a reasonable default | 17:45 |
| Ng | also, I think this is in need of eplisis... http://mairukipa.tenshu.net/screenshots/2008-10-13-nm-harhar.png | 17:45 |
| dobey | unless it's the silouhette | 17:46 |
| Ng | dobey: it could be anything :) | 17:46 |
| dobey | not so much ellipses, as it needs brevity | 17:46 |
| Ng | it needs something :) | 17:46 |
| Ng | asac: see above URL :) | 17:46 |
| dobey | and why is it listed thrice? | 17:47 |
| Ng | good question | 17:48 |
| Ng | there's only one USB device | 17:48 |
| Ng | I see ttyACM0-2 | 17:48 |
| asac | Ng: dobey: known MASTER bug | 18:07 |
| asac | its hal issue in the beginning | 18:07 |
| asac | and NM in the end | 18:07 |
| Ng | ok | 18:12 |
| asac | Ng: when you see this you can see with hal-find-by-capability --capability modem | 18:13 |
| asac | that the modem is exporteed N-times | 18:13 |
| asac | same for net.80211 and net.80203 | 18:14 |
| Ng | can I provide any useful information to fix it? I probably won't have access to this laptop for much longer | 18:19 |
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| MacSlow | gee ... the blender team is making quite some rounds in Hollywood ... didn't know they got screenings and talks about BigBuckBunny at Disney, Dreamworks and Rhythm&Hues during last Siggraph | 21:03 |
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