[11:02] <Keybuk> \o/ half way through the merges
[11:07] <Hobbsee> yay!
[11:53] <seb128> fta: did you look at cairo 1.8.2 for jaunty and if it can be synced?
[13:11] <lool> seb128: I wanted to relay a couple of things to you on the intrepid i386 desktop cd
[13:12] <lool> From a French user
[13:12] <seb128> lool: hello
[13:12] <lool> (Hey!)
[13:12] <lool> Basically revolving around support for French
[13:12] <lool> a) langpack is obviously not installed   :-/  do we care more about features or languages?  I wonder
[13:13] <lool> b) menus are actually translated (upstream translations); not so much for the space savings, but for the effect it creates (top menus not translated but menus translated!), perhaps we should strip the translations in the .desktop files?
[13:14] <seb128> that's not an easy one, we already drop some feature on the default install
[13:14] <seb128> note that ubuntu-fr has a localized iso and they are getting cds pressed
[13:14] <lool> seb128: That's interesting
[13:15] <seb128> the menus items is a side-effects, I don't really care either way
[13:16] <lool> seb128: I wanted to relay the complaints I heard because I think it's not an obvious choice for Ubuntu at large; perhaps it's something which deserves discussion at UDS, I don't know
[13:16] <seb128> whoever is doing the comments should be joining IRC or the lists to discuss those ;-)
[13:16] <lool> I don't feel too good handing out CDs to French people anymore
[13:16] <seb128> well, that's things we know about
[13:16] <seb128> because the language packs are not on the CD?
[13:17] <lool> Yes
[13:17] <seb128> right, me neither, I would recommend using the french iso
[13:17] <lool> i think until hardy, french was included; I guess some other langs were dropped though
[13:17] <seb128> I think hardy still has the french language packs
[13:17] <seb128> right, every cycle adds new features or extra code so the CD margin are shrinking
[13:18] <seb128> and the easier way is to drop language packs on the way
[13:18] <seb128> the reality is that one CD is not an easy limit nowadays
[13:19] <seb128> we don't have good answer to that
[13:19] <pedro_> seb128: hey, may you look at bug 297223? it sounds to me like a libeel issue but not completely sure, having a second opinion would be good ;-)
[13:19] <seb128> we already stopped shipping changelog, symlink duplicates files in packages, etc
[13:20] <seb128> pedro_: not sure without looking at the code, just send it upstream on nautilus they will reassign if required, the people working on those components are the same anyway
[13:20] <lool> seb128: Is it sensible to offer our main installer in english is the question I'm worried about
[13:20] <lool> I never tried to install the langpacks from the live session though
[13:20] <seb128> lool: ubiquity translations are on the CD
[13:20] <seb128> lool: so the installer is localized
[13:21] <lool> Ok
[13:21] <seb128> lool: we don't have language packs for the livecd environment though
[13:21] <seb128> but that's not required to do the install
[13:21] <seb128> and language packs are downloaded transparently during the installation if you have internet access
[13:21] <pedro_> seb128: ok will do it, thanks!
[13:22] <seb128> pedro_: you're welcome
[13:22] <lool> I suspect installing them in the live session is too big
[13:22] <seb128> lool: probably not, but it would require downloading those and restarting the session, what is the goal exactly?
[13:22] <lool> Anyway, glad you know about it; I know it's not easy, and I'd welcome french back ;)
[13:22] <seb128> right, me too
[13:23] <lool> seb128: The goal would just be allowing people to try out Ubuntu
[13:23] <seb128> one way would be to drop openoffice ;-) but I don't think it's going to happen there
[13:23] <seb128> lool: well, I would recommend burning the localized iso, which is what people have to do for any other distro anyway
[13:24] <lool> Yup
[13:24] <seb128> lool: one other way we didn't really work on yet is to split the localized documentation
[13:24] <seb128> it's done for gimp for example
[13:24] <seb128> but doing it for evolution too would be a good win
[13:24] <seb128> it's on my list but there is just too much to do
[13:25] <lool> Heh
[13:25] <seb128> we could install the translations but not the localized documentation on the livecd
[13:25] <seb128> I think softwares translations are what matters for demos
[13:26] <lool> Yeah
[16:42] <tgm4883_laptop> Why is the totem mythtv plugin no longer available?
[16:43] <tgm4883_laptop> It's just gone, and from what I can tell from the changelog, for no other reason than we can use the UPNP server?
[17:19] <Ng> how come the logout/restart/shutdown options in FUSA do as asked immediately with no confirmation prompt?
[17:24] <mvo> Ng: there is a bug open about it
[17:24] <mvo> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fast-user-switch-applet/+bug/283095
[17:25] <mvo> Ng: I personally find #282403 confusing
[17:30]  * Ng waits for firefox to load. I have far too many old tabs in my session ;)
[17:32] <Ng> mvo: hmm yeah, that should definitely display an option to authorise and shutdown anyway. Even if you pick a "actually no just log me out" type option I don't like being punted back to gdm because afair it gives no indication that people are logged in
[17:32] <Ng> we should definitely use a face browser login which shows who is logged in, and encourage the use of cheese/memaker to make user avatars, imho :)
[17:33] <dobey> nooooo :)
[17:34] <Ng> why not? :)
[17:38] <dobey> well, "who" integration with gdm would be nice, for multi-user i guess
[17:39] <dobey> i don't want to be forced to pick an avatar to use when i am the only user of the system though
[17:39] <Ng> a reasonable default image and non-annoying information about customising it? :)
[17:45] <dobey> no
[17:45] <dobey> no image is a reasonable default
[17:45] <Ng> also, I think this is in need of eplisis... http://mairukipa.tenshu.net/screenshots/2008-10-13-nm-harhar.png
[17:46] <dobey> unless it's the silouhette
[17:46] <Ng> dobey: it could be anything :)
[17:46] <dobey> not so much ellipses, as it needs brevity
[17:46] <Ng> it needs something :)
[17:46] <Ng> asac: see above URL :)
[17:47] <dobey> and why is it listed thrice?
[17:48] <Ng> good question
[17:48] <Ng> there's only one USB device
[17:48] <Ng> I see ttyACM0-2
[18:07] <asac> Ng: dobey: known MASTER bug
[18:07] <asac> its hal issue in the beginning
[18:07] <asac> and NM in the end
[18:12] <Ng> ok
[18:13] <asac> Ng: when you see this you can see with hal-find-by-capability --capability modem
[18:13] <asac> that the modem is exporteed N-times
[18:14] <asac> same for net.80211 and net.80203
[18:19] <Ng> can I provide any useful information to fix it? I probably won't have access to this laptop for much longer
[21:03] <MacSlow> gee ... the blender team is making quite some rounds in Hollywood ... didn't know they got screenings and talks about BigBuckBunny at Disney, Dreamworks and Rhythm&Hues during last Siggraph