[11:02] \o/ half way through the merges [11:07] yay! [11:53] fta: did you look at cairo 1.8.2 for jaunty and if it can be synced? [13:11] seb128: I wanted to relay a couple of things to you on the intrepid i386 desktop cd [13:12] From a French user [13:12] lool: hello [13:12] (Hey!) [13:12] Basically revolving around support for French [13:12] a) langpack is obviously not installed :-/ do we care more about features or languages? I wonder [13:13] b) menus are actually translated (upstream translations); not so much for the space savings, but for the effect it creates (top menus not translated but menus translated!), perhaps we should strip the translations in the .desktop files? [13:14] that's not an easy one, we already drop some feature on the default install [13:14] note that ubuntu-fr has a localized iso and they are getting cds pressed [13:14] seb128: That's interesting [13:15] the menus items is a side-effects, I don't really care either way [13:16] seb128: I wanted to relay the complaints I heard because I think it's not an obvious choice for Ubuntu at large; perhaps it's something which deserves discussion at UDS, I don't know [13:16] whoever is doing the comments should be joining IRC or the lists to discuss those ;-) [13:16] I don't feel too good handing out CDs to French people anymore [13:16] well, that's things we know about [13:16] because the language packs are not on the CD? [13:17] Yes [13:17] right, me neither, I would recommend using the french iso [13:17] i think until hardy, french was included; I guess some other langs were dropped though [13:17] I think hardy still has the french language packs [13:17] right, every cycle adds new features or extra code so the CD margin are shrinking [13:18] and the easier way is to drop language packs on the way [13:18] the reality is that one CD is not an easy limit nowadays [13:19] we don't have good answer to that [13:19] seb128: hey, may you look at bug 297223? it sounds to me like a libeel issue but not completely sure, having a second opinion would be good ;-) [13:19] Launchpad bug 297223 in nautilus "nautilus uses gnome-terminal instead of the preferred terminal application" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/297223 [13:19] we already stopped shipping changelog, symlink duplicates files in packages, etc [13:20] pedro_: not sure without looking at the code, just send it upstream on nautilus they will reassign if required, the people working on those components are the same anyway [13:20] seb128: Is it sensible to offer our main installer in english is the question I'm worried about [13:20] I never tried to install the langpacks from the live session though [13:20] lool: ubiquity translations are on the CD [13:20] lool: so the installer is localized [13:21] Ok [13:21] lool: we don't have language packs for the livecd environment though [13:21] but that's not required to do the install [13:21] and language packs are downloaded transparently during the installation if you have internet access [13:21] seb128: ok will do it, thanks! [13:22] pedro_: you're welcome [13:22] I suspect installing them in the live session is too big [13:22] lool: probably not, but it would require downloading those and restarting the session, what is the goal exactly? [13:22] Anyway, glad you know about it; I know it's not easy, and I'd welcome french back ;) [13:22] right, me too [13:23] seb128: The goal would just be allowing people to try out Ubuntu [13:23] one way would be to drop openoffice ;-) but I don't think it's going to happen there [13:23] lool: well, I would recommend burning the localized iso, which is what people have to do for any other distro anyway [13:24] Yup [13:24] lool: one other way we didn't really work on yet is to split the localized documentation [13:24] it's done for gimp for example [13:24] but doing it for evolution too would be a good win [13:24] it's on my list but there is just too much to do [13:25] Heh [13:25] we could install the translations but not the localized documentation on the livecd [13:25] I think softwares translations are what matters for demos [13:26] Yeah === thunderstruck is now known as gnomefreak [16:42] Why is the totem mythtv plugin no longer available? [16:43] It's just gone, and from what I can tell from the changelog, for no other reason than we can use the UPNP server? [17:19] how come the logout/restart/shutdown options in FUSA do as asked immediately with no confirmation prompt? [17:24] Ng: there is a bug open about it [17:24] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fast-user-switch-applet/+bug/283095 [17:24] Launchpad bug 283095 in fast-user-switch-applet "logout needs confirmation" [Low,Triaged] [17:25] Ng: I personally find #282403 confusing === njpatel is now known as njpatel_away [17:30] * Ng waits for firefox to load. I have far too many old tabs in my session ;) [17:32] mvo: hmm yeah, that should definitely display an option to authorise and shutdown anyway. Even if you pick a "actually no just log me out" type option I don't like being punted back to gdm because afair it gives no indication that people are logged in [17:32] we should definitely use a face browser login which shows who is logged in, and encourage the use of cheese/memaker to make user avatars, imho :) [17:33] nooooo :) [17:34] why not? :) [17:38] well, "who" integration with gdm would be nice, for multi-user i guess [17:39] i don't want to be forced to pick an avatar to use when i am the only user of the system though [17:39] a reasonable default image and non-annoying information about customising it? :) [17:45] no [17:45] no image is a reasonable default [17:45] also, I think this is in need of eplisis... http://mairukipa.tenshu.net/screenshots/2008-10-13-nm-harhar.png [17:46] unless it's the silouhette [17:46] dobey: it could be anything :) [17:46] not so much ellipses, as it needs brevity [17:46] it needs something :) [17:46] asac: see above URL :) [17:47] and why is it listed thrice? [17:48] good question [17:48] there's only one USB device [17:48] I see ttyACM0-2 [18:07] Ng: dobey: known MASTER bug [18:07] its hal issue in the beginning [18:07] and NM in the end [18:12] ok [18:13] Ng: when you see this you can see with hal-find-by-capability --capability modem [18:13] that the modem is exporteed N-times [18:14] same for net.80211 and net.80203 [18:19] can I provide any useful information to fix it? I probably won't have access to this laptop for much longer === njpatel_away is now known as njpatel [21:03] gee ... the blender team is making quite some rounds in Hollywood ... didn't know they got screenings and talks about BigBuckBunny at Disney, Dreamworks and Rhythm&Hues during last Siggraph