[00:13] <maw_> http://pastebin.com/d7bdb390d
[00:13] <maw_> ^ pastebin of the issue
[00:13] <jmarsden|work> maw_: Generally, for servers, you want to set the hardware clock to UTC and tell Ubuntu you have done that, and then set your local timezone appropriately.
[00:14] <maw_> right.
[00:15] <maw_> however, I always want my system to be in GMT-7
[00:15] <maw_> never move for DST
[00:15] <maw_> I guess I can choose 'America/Phoenix' but that is not totally correct for my use case
[00:16] <maw_> anyways
[00:16] <maw_> my hwclock is set correctly for GMT-7
[00:16] <maw_> and is 'UTC'
[00:16] <maw_> on reboot I see the time (in the OS) changing exactly to GMT+7
[00:16] <maw_> what the heck...
[00:16] <jmarsden|work> Those two things are contradictory!  Either your hwclock is set to UTC, *or* it is set to some other timezone...
[00:18] <jmarsden|work> what does    hwclock --show    output ?
[00:21] <maw_>  hwclock --show
[00:21] <maw_> Wed 12 Nov 2008 05:21:34 PM GMT-7  -0.541926 seconds
[00:21] <maw_> ^ this :)
[00:22] <jmarsden|work> OK, and    date     says the same thing?
[00:22] <maw_> date
[00:22] <maw_> Thu Nov 13 07:22:25 GMT-7 2008
[00:22] <maw_> as you can see, the time is accurate to what GMT+7 would be
[00:22] <maw_> and this is my issue... or my fail :P
[00:23] <jmarsden|work> I think you have told Ubuntu your hwclock is set to UTC, and then you set your hwclock to local time... which confused Ubuntu.
[00:23] <maw_> hm
[00:24] <maw_> ok so... "sudo hwclock --utc"
[00:24] <maw_> than.. "sudo date <actual GMT-7 time>
[00:24] <maw_> reboot?
[00:24] <jmarsden|work> Well, there's a config file somewhere to say your system hwclock runs as UTC or not... maybe under /etc/sysconfig/ (or is that only on RHEL/Centos...)
[00:25] <maw_> it is /etc/default/rcS
[00:25] <maw_> UTC=yes or UTC=no
[00:25] <maw_> 'man rcS'
[00:25] <maw_> currently I have it set to "yes"
[00:25] <jmarsden|work> OK, so decide: you want to set hwclock to UTC, or not?  Right now it is yes but your lock time is set otherwise :-)
[00:26] <jmarsden|work> I'd leave it at yes and set the hwclock to UTC, personally.
[00:26] <maw_> sure, setting hwclock ot UTC is fine
[00:26] <maw_> and I will sync it to UTC
[00:27] <maw_> jmarsden|work: the way you wrote the last few messages made me understand this dilemma differently... let me try your suggestion
[00:27] <maw_> as in
[00:27] <maw_> IF hwclock == UTC then "hwclock" output should show UTC time
[00:28] <jmarsden|work> No, hwclock --show always shows local time.
[00:28] <maw_> where I was saying "yes it is UTC" but than setting GMT-7
[00:28] <maw_> what about hwclock with no parameters?
[00:28] <jmarsden|work> set the system time using date and then do  hwclock --systohc --utc   and all should line up.
[00:29] <jmarsden|work> I think hwclock with no params still shows localtime
[00:29] <maw_> so when you say set system time... you suggest set system time to match GMT-7 correct?
[00:30] <jmarsden|work> Try      date --set 11121630  ; hwclock --systohc --utc
[00:30] <jmarsden|work> maw_: Yes, to your desired local time.
[00:30] <jmarsden|work> It is now 16:30 on 12 Nov in the GMT-7 local tz, right?
[00:31] <jmarsden|work> Hence the 11121630 in my above suggestion
[00:31] <maw_> actually 5pm
[00:31] <maw_> 17:31:40
[00:32] <jmarsden|work> Yes, you're right.
[00:33] <jmarsden|work> So     date --set 1121733 ; hwclock --systohc --utc
[00:33] <jmarsden|work> So     date --set 11121733 ; hwclock --systohc --utc
[00:34] <maw_> yap
[00:34] <maw_> and I have
[00:34] <jmarsden|work> Did that work?
[00:34] <maw_> going to reboot
[00:34] <jmarsden|work> OK.
[00:34] <maw_> does /etc/init.d/hwclock.sh do something different compared to /sbin/hwclock?
[00:35] <jmarsden|work> I'm not sitting at a Ubuntu box right now... read the hwclock.sh to see what it does :-)
[00:36] <maw_> yes sir :D
[00:36] <maw_> ok box is coming up
[00:36] <espacious> hello, i used to connect to my AP with my usb adapetr in Ubuntu since i upgraded(reinstalled) i cant make it work. it works via ndiswrapper and need a sis driver i setuped all right but when i try to manualy connect to my ap the network manager or better the whole pc frezes.can please someone assist me a bit?
[00:36] <maw_> ya it is still not working as I expected.
[00:37] <maw_> cmorrow@nvp-mta001:~$ date
[00:37] <maw_> Thu Nov 13 07:36:39 GMT-7 2008
[00:37] <maw_> cmorrow@nvp-mta001:~$ hwclock
[00:37] <maw_> Wed 12 Nov 2008 05:36:37 PM GMT-7  -0.579722 seconds
[00:37] <maw_> cmorrow@nvp-mta001:~$ cat /etc/timezone
[00:37] <maw_> Etc/GMT-7
[00:37] <maw_> notice the "date" command
[00:37] <maw_> the time it shows it exactly correct to GMT+7
[00:38] <maw_> however, if my timezone is 'America/Phoenix' than everything works
[00:38] <jmarsden|work> Hmmm.  Well, I suppose the tzdata *could* be wrong... seems unlikely.  What does    TZ=GMT date   day
[00:38] <maw_> sorry?
[00:38] <jmarsden|work> What does    TZ=GMT date      say?
[00:39] <jmarsden|work> (you can temporarily set the TZ environment var and then run the date command...   TZ=GMT date
[00:40] <maw_> cmorrow@nvp-mta001:~$ echo $TZ
[00:40] <maw_> GMT
[00:40] <maw_> cmorrow@nvp-mta001:~$ date
[00:40] <maw_> Thu Nov 13 07:40:06 GMT-7 2008
[00:40] <maw_> like that?
[00:41] <hads> As in running `TZ=GMT date`
[00:41] <maw_> cmorrow@nvp-mta001:~$ TZ=GMT date
[00:41] <maw_> Thu Nov 13 00:41:24 GMT 2008
[00:42] <jmarsden|work> maw_: On one line:     TZ=GMT date
[00:42] <maw_> cmorrow@nvp-mta001:~$ TZ=GMT date
[00:42] <maw_> Thu Nov 13 00:41:24 GMT 2008
[00:42] <maw_> cmorrow@nvp-mta001:~$ TZ=GMT-7 date
[00:42] <maw_> Thu Nov 13 07:41:44 GMT 2008
[00:42] <maw_> cmorrow@nvp-mta001:~$ TZ=GMT+7 date
[00:42] <maw_> Wed Nov 12 17:41:49 GMT 2008
[00:42] <maw_> that is the output of that command with GMT,GMT-7 and GMT+7
[00:43] <maw_> someone put the wrong math somewhere :P
[00:43] <maw_> cmorrow@nvp-mta001:~$ TZ=America/Phoenix date
[00:43] <maw_> Wed Nov 12 17:43:37 MST 2008
[00:44] <maw_> Arizone and GMT-7 should be the same thing
[00:45] <jmarsden|work> There is no timezone named GMT-7.  No file called that exists under /usr/share/zoneinfo
[00:45] <jmarsden|work> I think you don't understand what the TZ var does?
[00:45] <maw_> there is a ETC/GMT-7 option
[00:45] <maw_> and I can set that two ways
[00:46] <maw_> 1 using "tzselect" and choosing " none - I want to specify the time zone using the Posix TZ format."
[00:46] <maw_> or 2) using dpkg-reconfigure and choose the option "GMT-7"
[00:47] <maw_> under "other"
[00:47] <maw_> however, I just noticed this in the 'tzselect' program
[00:48] <maw_> "Please enter the desired value of the TZ environment variable.
[00:48] <maw_> For example, GST-10 is a zone named GST that is 10 hours ahead (east) of UTC."
[00:48] <maw_> they use "GST" which is an acronym no one uses
[00:48] <maw_> and they use +  and - in a different fashion than common knowledge
[00:48] <jmarsden|work> maw_: You can just copy the file /usr/share/zoneinfo/Etc/GMT-7 to /etc/localtime
[00:49] <jmarsden|work> If you don't like the utilities :-)
[00:50] <maw_> that isn't the point. Be empathetic with a user who has read all the man pages, used the correct utilities and has a understanding of the conventions used everywhere else
[00:50] <jmarsden|work> OK, somehow you need a zoneinfo file for a time zone seven hours behind GMT.
[00:51] <jmarsden|work> Either the file /usr/share/zoneinfo/Etc/GMT-7 is correct, or it is not.
[00:51] <jmarsden|work> One way to find out is to copy it to /etc/localtime and see what the output of date then shows you.
[00:51] <maw_> unfortunately that file puts me GMT+7 ahead in time
[00:51] <maw_> whereas GMT+7 puts me GMT-7 in time
[00:52] <maw_> let me try a manual copy as you sugegsted to verify this claim
[00:52] <jmarsden|work> Then use the one named GMT+7, if that is what works.
[00:53] <maw_> would you agree this is not intuitive and may be a bug?
[00:55] <maw_> or is it correct and I just fail at comprehending what's up :P?
[00:55] <jmarsden|work> I've never used non-geographic zoneinfo files, but it does seem odd if a file named GMT-7 shows time 7 hours ahead of GMT.
[00:55] <maw_> ya me either
[00:56] <maw_> my need for using this is the fact we never want our system to deviate from GMT-7
[00:56] <maw_> as in... the system should not following DST
[00:56] <maw_> and always be -7hours from GMT
[00:56] <maw_> so, logically I thought GMT-7 would accomplish that ...(5hours later here we are ;)
[00:57] <maw_> I should stop being stubborn and just choose 'America/Phoenix' as it is _always_ GMT-7
[00:57] <jmarsden|work> Well, now you seem to have the hw clock set correctly, so you can now copy the file named GMT+7 into place and use that, if it does what you need, who cares what its name is?!
[00:57] <maw_> well
[00:58] <maw_> what if there is a patch that changes 'America/Phoenix' to use DST... maybe in the future they might respect DST
[00:58] <maw_> who knows
[00:58] <maw_> it may just burn me
[00:58] <jmarsden|work> No patch is going to edit your /etc/localtime file.
[00:58] <jmarsden|work> And update might update file sunder /usr/share/zoneinfo, sure.
[01:05] <maw_> jmarsden|work: thanks for your time
[01:05] <jmarsden|work> No problem :-)
[01:12] <jerky_2> so i'm having some performance problems on my myth box. i'm running mythbuntu 8.10 now but the problem was there on 8.04 too. my box will be running fine (frontend, backend, even mythcommflag sometimes) and then all of a sudden it starts stuttering pretty badly for a few seconds. it doesn't seem to happen at any specific interval...
[01:12] <jerky_2> but when i take a look at the 'top' output, it always corresponds with 'mysqld' jumping up the CPU usage column. when it drops off the top CPU users the performance problems are gone. any ideas for what could be wrong or how to troubleshoot this?
[01:13] <maw_> are you familiar with mysql database at all?
[01:13] <jerky_2> not much
[01:14] <maw_> well when you see mysqld running at high CPU are you performing a intensive query? (what did you just click in the gui)?
[01:14] <jerky_2> mythcommflag can use tons of CPU with no problems because its nice value of 17 is being respected, so i thought i could just nice up mysqld and maybe achieve the same results
[01:14] <jerky_2> well i didn't click anything, but very likely mythtv is doing some intensive query automatically
[01:14] <jerky_2> i'm not sure how to troubleshoot this though... figure out what it's doing and if there's any way i can streamline it
[01:15] <maw_> I am not familiar with that appliance... but you could trace the mysql that is running
[01:15] <maw_> http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/slow-query-log.html
[01:16] <maw_> also... normally people wouldn't limit CPU to a DB
[01:16] <jerky_2> i see, but what if the query is not terribly important? like mythtv is probably just searching all of my recordings (lots) every so often to see if any should be deleted or something like that.
[01:17] <maw_> well if thereis a slow query
[01:17] <maw_> maybe you can find out how it is searching those tables
[01:17] <maw_> and make an index on the table
[01:18] <jerky_2> yeah that is probably my next best shot... i'll give this slow query log thing a try
[01:18] <maw_> that would be the logical thing if you have noticed performance getting worse over time
[01:18] <maw_> if this is a sudden performance issue maybe it's due to an update or something
[01:18] <jmarsden|work> jerky_2: You could just renice the mysqld and see if everything then works??
[01:19] <jerky_2> jmarsden, that's what i'm thinking. i'm trying to figure out how to do it... looks like /etc/init.d/mysql should be my answer
[01:19] <maw_> that will stop/start the DB
[01:19] <jerky_2> looks like mysqld does not have any nice options but mysqld_safe does
[01:19] <jmarsden|work> jerky_2: Well, for a test, just use ps  to find the process id of the mysqld and then renice 10 12345
[01:19] <jmarsden|work> if 12345 is the PID
[01:20] <jerky_2> brilliant! i didn't know about that command :)
[01:20] <jmarsden|work> apropos nice willlist all commands relating to nice ...
[01:20] <jmarsden|work> then you can man renice and there you go :-)
[01:21] <jerky_2> hah, awesome. learn something new every day
[01:21] <jerky_2> well ok, i just reniced it up to 10. i'll give some HDTV viewing a shot and let you know if i'm happy :) thanks!
[01:21] <jmarsden|work> No problem.
[02:34] <ScottK> leonel: Your first set of security updates are rolled out.
[04:54] <jpv950> I'm trying to configure mod_userdir, I added "UserDir public_html" to /etc/apache2/sites-available/default, but it complains there is no such module... how do I enable it please?
[04:55] <hads> sudo a2enmod
[04:55] <jpv950> hads, are you replying to me?
[04:56] <hads> jpv950: Yah, `sudo a2enmod userdir`
[04:56] <jpv950> ok thanks :)
[04:57] <unfo> jpv950:  see, it is better to go on IRC and ask than to spend time looking it up yourself :)
[04:58] <jpv950> great, it's doing its magic now, no errors reported. thanks again
[04:58] <hads> np
[04:58] <jpv950> unfo, absolutely :)
[04:59] <unfo> jpv950:  you are welcome.
[04:59] <unfo> even though I didn't do any of the answering :)
[05:01] <jpv950> hehe I would still be banging my head if you hadn't insisted
[05:02] <jpv950> this is cool, I'm SSHing into a lamp stack running on a virtual machine on my laptop...
[05:05] <jpv950> it was surprisingly easy to set up
[06:39] <unfo> stopgo:  ask again here.  Maybe someone will help you, maybe not, but your chances are better.
[06:40] <stopgo> ok, thanks unfo
[06:40] <stopgo> ﻿does anyone have experience setting up a mail server?  i'm trying to understand what different functions dovecot and postfix serve.
[06:40] <unfo> stopgo:  also tell them how many users you are supporting, and why you want to set up a mail server at all :)
[06:42] <infinity> stopgo: lamont probably knows everything you need to know.
[06:42] <stopgo> i'm running a website and i need to set up a handful of mail addresses located at our domain
[06:43] <stopgo> thanks infinity, i guess i'll pm him
[06:43] <infinity> stopgo: To be fair, I said that purely to annoy him, since both he and I are headed to bed, and we were both trying to avoid being helpful tonight.
[06:44] <stopgo> oh, ok then.
[06:45] <unfo> stopgo:  repeat: also tell the channel how many users you are supporting, and why you want to set up a mail server at all :)
[06:48] <stopgo> i'm running a web server to host my website, foobar.com.  we have maybe 5 site devs wanting email addresses dev1@foobar.com, dev2@foobar.com, etc., and setting up a mail server seemed to be the appropriate way to do this.
[06:52] <jmedina> stopgo: Postfix is an MTA, it handles SMTP protocol, its function is send and receive email from/to others smtp servers, or relay email from email cients to local and remote users.
[06:53] <hads> https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/serverguide/C/email-services.html
[06:53] <jmedina> Dovecot it is a POP3 and IMAP Servers, it is used by the email clients (Mail User Agents) to collect or read mail
[06:53] <jmedina> so, you need both
[06:55] <stopgo> ah, thanks a lot hads and jmedina
[06:55] <jmedina> you are welcome
[07:00] <unfo> stopgo:  how about Google Apps for Your Domain?  or cPanel?
[07:03] <stopgo> thanks unfo, but i should be able to get it running with the info i just received above
[07:04] <unfo> stopgo: it is more work, and you will get more spam.  But enjoy :)
[07:11] <\sh> moins
[07:23] <timreichhart> does anybody know what would be a best 56k modem to use for a fax server?
[07:23] <timreichhart> does anybody know what would be a best 56k modem to use for a fax server?
[07:24] <jmedina> fax server? that old and stupid machines?
[07:25] <jmedina> the one that mekes people go back in technology?
[07:25] <timreichhart> well see i am running a business and most of my vendors require a fax for placing orders with him
[07:26] <timreichhart> so that is why i need a fax server
[07:27] <timreichhart> ok i guess this chat room is dead and no help
[07:28] <hads> IRC takes longer than 90 seconds
[07:30] <timreichhart> what do you mean it takes more then 90secs?
[07:30] <timreichhart> to get a simple answer
[07:31] <jmedina> timreichhart: the best modems are externals, but I dont know where to buy one
[07:32] <jmedina> I remember to use 3Com
[07:33] <nijaba> timreichhart: people do not stare at their IRC waiting for a question to come.  The guy that has your answer might be coding something atm and will get back to IRC in 2, 3, 10 min...
[07:33] <jmarsden> timreichhart: Cost no object at all?  You can buy high end FAX cards designed for FAX server use... how many FAX lines will you need?  Only one?
[07:33] <timreichhart> so your saying jmedina any external rs232 56k modem will work
[07:33] <nijaba> timreichhart: single or multiple line need?
[07:34] <timreichhart> just 1
[07:34] <hads> Yeah, if you go external you know you're getting a real modem
[07:34] <jmarsden> Maybe http://www.usr.com/products/modem/business-product.asp?sku=USR3453c&adv=homepage
[07:34] <jmarsden> Not cheap but works well even on bad phone lines...
[07:35] <nijaba> USR modems have always been my first pick
[07:35] <jmarsden> More or less any external RS232 modem "will work", but reliability and noise rejection cost $$, basically.
[07:35] <jmedina> yeap, I said 3com meaning USR
[07:35] <timreichhart> ok
[07:35]  * hads hasn't used a modem in so long
[07:36] <timreichhart> so any 3com/USR rs232 modem will work correct?
[07:36] <jmedina> yeap
[07:36] <nijaba> timreichhart: pretty much, yep
[07:36] <jmedina> well the last I used was 8 years ago
[07:37] <nijaba> timreichhart: just make sure you don't buy an internal one
[07:37] <jmedina> there was otheres white, smaller an cheaper that the USR3453
[07:37] <timreichhart> what about this one? http://trendnet.com/products/proddetail.asp?prod=110_TFM-560X&cat=51
[07:40] <jmarsden> Looks like a cheap generic, and only has Class1 FAX command support... you can probably get it to work, but you may be trading up front cost for reliability.  You'll be using HylaFAX?
[07:42] <jmarsden> It's been a while since worked with this stuff, but from memory HylaFAX likes Class 2.0 support.
[07:43] <hads> Faxes are icky
[07:44] <jmarsden> Yes, but sometimes customers want them...
[07:45] <jmarsden> timreichhart: HylaFAX web site is http://www.hylafax.org/ . http://www.hylafax.org/content/Hardware_Compatibility_List may be of interest to you?
[07:45] <timreichhart> thanks for that link there jmarsden
[07:45] <jmarsden> No problem.
[07:48] <timreichhart> well i have a winmodem right now but that is giving me problems
[07:55] <jmarsden> No surprises there :-)  See http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Unix-Hardware-Buyer-HOWTO/ for advice on hardware... BTW I am a contributor to that so may be slightly biased :-)
[07:57] <jmarsden> Section 3.10.2 says in part: "Also, avoid anything called a "Windows Modem" or "WinModem", ..."
[08:13] <kraut> moin
[13:33] <\sh> hmm..what's the best way to get rid of non used lvm snapshot devices?
[13:34] <\sh> lvremove doesn't work...umount doesn't work neither
[13:35] <deejoe> if it's still mounted and umount doesn't work, chances are good it is still being used by some process
[13:36] <deejoe> lsof | grep partial-name-of-volume
[13:36] <\sh> deejoe: they are sbuild lvm snapshots...so I'm sure nothing valuable is accessing them..only ksnaphd
[13:38] <zoopster> Did the graphical front end for vmbuilder make it into intrepid?
[13:46] <\sh> lsof df -h
[13:46] <\sh> argl
[15:49] <oneseventeen> is there a good tutorial on setting up an SFTP server using ubuntu?
[15:50] <ascent> aptitude install openssh-server
[15:50] <ascent> ;)
[15:51] <oneseventeen> I use SSH for my webserver now, but I'm thinking more a "newbies guide to user administration and SFTP sandboxes"
[15:52] <ascent> ah oke
[15:52] <oneseventeen> I'm going to be giving users outside the company usernames and passwords
[15:52] <ascent> well, by default, ssh enabled users can also use sftp
[15:52] <ascent> since it's the same layer/program
[15:52] <oneseventeen> yeah, I'm guessing I just need to set permissions in a config file somewhere
[15:53] <ascent> well, if you want sandboxes (jails, chroots, virtual servers), you may need some extra work
[15:53] <oneseventeen> hmm, that might be better to search for, ssh user administration and ssh chroots
[15:57] <oneseventeen> are tehre any performance gains using ubuntu server 64 bit?
[16:12] <tacone> shuold "sudo stop apache2" work ?
[16:12] <tacone> i get --> stop: Unknown job: apache2
[16:13] <Deeps> it shouldn't, no
[16:13] <jmedina> tacone: you can use /etc/init.d/apache2 stop
[16:13] <oneseventeen> tacone: for stopping apache I usually use sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 stop
[16:13] <Deeps> if you want to stop a service, i believe the ubuntu way is sudo invoke-rc.d apache2 stop
[16:13] <oneseventeen> (should have looked before typing)
[16:13] <tacone> yes i know oneseventeen. i was just wondering what stop and start are all about.
[16:13] <jmedina> or apache2ctl stop
[16:13] <Deeps> or use the init scripts as everyone else does
[16:13] <Deeps> tacone: bash job controls
[16:14] <jmedina> I dont like invoke-rc.d
[16:14] <tacone> i miss the definition of bash jobs then :-)
[16:14] <jmedina> you need to know the name of the service
[16:14] <jmedina> I prefer to use /etc/init.d/a<tab>
[16:14] <jmedina> and take advantage of bash completion features
[16:33] <DaSkreech> Hello can I get some help with Landscape ?
[16:34] <ScottK> kirkland: ^^^
[16:34] <ScottK> He's looking at your MOTD stuff.
[16:39]  * DaSkreech waves at kirkland
[17:15] <oneseventeen> is it normal for Scanning the mirror... to take forever?
[17:15] <oneseventeen> (during initial ubuntu-server setup)
[17:19] <sommer> oneseventeen: I'd think the amount of time would depend on your internet connection and the number of user's using the mirror
[17:23] <DaSkreech> ScottK: kirkland sleeps a lot?
[17:24] <ScottK> Not usually.
[18:52] <docta_v> if i'm booting from RAID1 and i want grub to manage installing to both disks, do i just edit the device.map to make hd0 set to md0?
[18:58] <Weasel[DK]> docta_v, i usually do root(hd0,0) setup(hd0) and root(hd1,0) setup(hd1) from within grub
[18:59] <Weasel[DK]> i do not mess with any files... and i work great.. if one disk is missing, it will boot on the other....
[19:00] <Weasel[DK]> guess that is what you wanted ?
[19:06] <peppe__> salve a tutti
[19:07] <docta_v> Weasel[DK]: according to the grub wiki there is native support for md devices now
[19:07] <peppe__> c'è qualche italiano??
[19:07] <docta_v> that would be helpful to me because i'm managing an increasingly large number of servers
[19:07] <docta_v> since version 1.95
[19:08] <docta_v> heh the ubuntu version is .97
[19:08] <docta_v> what's up with that?
[19:09] <docta_v> ah grub2 still experimental hmm
[19:09] <Weasel[DK]> hehe
[19:10] <Weasel[DK]> suppose you still need grub on all disks MBR
[19:12] <docta_v> i'm guessing the ubuntu installer probably isn't smart enough to do that
[19:12] <Weasel[DK]> no, dont think so
[19:14] <jmedina> there is some information about RAID1 and grub in the server guide
[19:14] <Weasel[DK]> dont forget to save a copy of the partintion table of each disk.... it is so much easier to replace if something happens
[19:14] <jmedina> it is something discussed for the intrepid release
[19:14] <docta_v> ah... too bad i'm in the process of moving everything to hardy
[19:14] <docta_v> and then sticking with that for 2-3 years
[19:14] <docta_v> :)
[19:15] <Weasel[DK]> dito
[19:15] <jmedina> docta_v: but you can see the discussions about that and get some ideas
[19:15] <docta_v> is there an easy way to verify if grub has already been installed on a given mbr?
[19:16] <jmedina> in the ubuntu server mailing lists there is a huge discussion about the topic
[19:16] <docta_v> cool
[19:16] <docta_v> what Weasel[DK] was describing above is the standard way to deal with it
[19:16] <jmedina> docta_v: you can cat the fist 512kb of your disc
[19:16] <docta_v> but it looks like we'll get native support in grub once ubuntu starts using grub2
[19:17] <jmedina> I dont think grub2 will be available in the next year
[19:17] <docta_v> yeah, no worries
[19:17] <docta_v> i've gotten this far without it
[19:27] <tonyyarusso> So this is a tad concerning:  "The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: libklibc klibc-utils busybox-initramfs iptables
[19:27] <tonyyarusso> iptables?  Anyone know how that got on the list?
[19:37] <jmedina> probably you uninstalled a package which depends on iptables
[19:37] <celeph_> Hi, is there a way to use logical volume from a guest system in kvm/libvirt ?
[20:13] <akuma55> can some one take a look at this and tell me what i need to do http://pastebin.com/m5c733c4f
[20:13] <ascent> install a compiler ?
[20:14] <akuma55> witch one?
[20:14] <ascent> gcc for isntance
[20:15] <akuma55> ok ill tryint
[20:15] <akuma55> try it*
[20:17] <akuma55> i did  but then it say this http://pastebin.com/d49841594
[20:18] <ascent>  Originally Posted by joe_bruin  View Post
[20:18] <ascent> Aha, I have the answer:
[20:18] <ascent> You must have libc6-dev-i386 (not just libc6-i386) installed! The Wine Wiki neglects to mention this.
[20:18] <ascent> from ubuntu forums
[20:19] <zul> akuma55: sudo apt-gete isntall build-essential
[20:20] <akuma55> trying that now zul
[20:40] <akuma55> it worked
[20:41] <akuma55> thanx
[20:58] <zamarax> I have a question, do you think I will notice substantial performance increase in my websites rendering in the browser if I switch from 100mbps connection to 1Gbps?
[21:16] <hads> That would depend how saturated your link is.
[21:24] <DaSkreech> !find easy_install
[21:54] <wazon> hi!
[21:54] <wazon> I need some help
[21:54] <wazon> could someone help me installing a simple fetchmail + postfix with imap???
[21:55] <DaSkreech> apt-get install postfix?
[21:55] <wazon> I've read lots of howtos
[21:55] <jmedina> wazon: and what did you learn?
[21:55] <wazon> but all of them use procmail
[21:56] <wazon> and I'd like to use as few components as posible
[21:56] <jmedina> wazon: and what do you want to do ?
[21:56] <wazon> not using procmail
[21:56] <wazon> I'm sure I've seen one howto doing that
[21:56] <wazon> but I can't find it aagain
[21:57] <wazon> I think the problem is I don't know how to tell fetchmail to use postfix instead of procmail...
[21:58] <DaSkreech> apt-get install --prefix=/dev/brain googlefu
[21:58] <DaSkreech> please don't try that
[21:58] <wazon> xD
[21:58] <jmedina> wazon: what do you want to do?
[21:59] <wazon> use fetchmail + postfix WITHOUT procmail
[21:59] <jmedina> you can do a lot of things with fetchmail and postfix
[21:59] <jmedina> postfix by default doesnt use procmail
[21:59] <jmedina> unless you install it and set the mailbox_command in main.cf
[22:00] <wazon> but
[22:00] <wazon> does fetchmail sends the mails it fetches to procmail?
[22:01] <wazon> I think thats my problem...
[22:02] <jmedina> nop unless you use the mda option within fetchmail config
[22:02] <wazon> uhm
[22:03] <wazon> so, if I don't use that option, fetchmail will pass the mail to postfix?
[22:04] <jmedina> I think I still dont understand what you want to do with fetchmail and postfix
[22:04] <jmedina> and what for
[22:04] <wazon> I want to fetch my mail from several accounts to my server
[22:04] <wazon> and deliver it to local users
[22:05] <wazon> when I manage that, I'd want imap access to that mail on my server
[22:06] <wazon> and probably webamail as well
[22:06] <wazon> *webmail
[22:06] <wazon> and I'd like to use Maildir format
[22:06] <wazon> not mbox
[22:07] <wazon> is it an easier way to get this than postfix and fetchmail?
[22:07] <wazon> I'm not new to linux, but this is the first server I manage
[22:07] <wazon> so I'm kind of a newbye
[22:10] <wazon> jmedina: what do you think? Am I in the right way?
[22:45] <wazon> hey
[22:46] <wazon> will you guys recommend me squirrellmail or mailman?
[22:47] <wazon> and is it better to use dovecot or courier for imap?
[22:57] <ScottK> wazon: Dovecot is the one the Ubuntu supports and is best covered in our documentation.  Squirrllmail is a webmail program.  Mailmain is a mailing list manager.  Depending on which you want, pick that one.
[22:58] <wazon> aps
[22:59] <wazon> I thought Mailman was also webmail
[22:59] <wazon> I'll use then dovecot + squirrellmail
[22:59] <wazon> thanks!
[23:18] <wazon> how can I see the installed version of postfix I have in my pc?
[23:19] <Deeps> dpkg -l | grep postfix
[23:19] <DaSkreech> apt-cache policy postfix
[23:19] <wazon> thanks
[23:20] <DaSkreech> though postfix --version probably works as well :)
[23:38] <shoot^> hey guys. for some reason, my fileserver does not automatically reconnect to the wireless network if the router is reset - i have to manually reset the box. any suggestions?