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bryceheya sbeattie02:31
sbeattiebryce: hey02:32
tjaaltonbryce: nice, I think it would be fine for an SRU05:58
tjaaltonfor jaunty all the shiny stuff should make the patch obsolete for good05:59
* bryce ndos06:08
bryceI'm working on writing an X smoke test next06:10
brycesomething I'd committed to doing a long time ago, and the due date of the EOY is coming up...06:10
brycegot my pbuilders and chroots updated for jaunty...  ready to start in on merges now :-)06:13
brycebtw, talked with jesse.  they're putting out a 2.4.3 driver06:14
brycehowever it looks like we already have all the patches that are going to be in it06:16
tjaaltonwere you considering it for intrepid?06:55
tjaaltonbtw, the versions_current -page doesn't load06:56
tjaaltonyour site is not responding :)06:56
brycetjaalton: yeah try :808007:11
brycehttp://bryceharrington.org:8080/X/PkgList/versions_current.html07:11
brycemy ISP blocks port 8007:11
tjaaltonwhee, that works07:11
wgrantbryce: Oh, they do that over there too?07:12
bryceyeah I was considering 2.4.3 for intrepid.  But we already have everything so07:12
brycewgrant: yep.  know of a good kludgearound that doesn't require some $10/mo or something?07:13
wgrantbryce: Not really. I do some stuff over IPv6 tunnels, but that's not a workaround for everything yet.07:14
wgrantBut uni has IPv6, so it works for that.07:14
tjaaltonsigh, why doesn't requestsync work.. hangs when trying to open the smtp connection07:28
wgranttjaalton: Use the launchpadlib backend.07:29
tjaaltonwgrant: the what? I'll just file a bug if there's no quicker way to do it :)07:32
wgranttjaalton: Make sure you have python-launchpad-bugs installed, and run requestsync with --lp.07:36
wgrantThat will use the LP API to do things, rather than email.07:36
tjaaltonwgrant: oh, nice07:36
tjaaltonI need to login first?07:37
wgrantHmmm, probably.07:37
wgrantNot sure how, but there will be docs somewhere...07:37
tjaaltonhmm, DEBSMTP.. I'll just set that07:41
brycetjaalton: hey got something for ya07:48
brycehttp://bryceharrington.org:8080/X/PkgList/versions_current.html07:48
brycenow with jaunty jackalopes07:48
brycewgrant: not too many docs ;-)07:49
tjaaltonbryce: great thanks07:49
bryceI'm using launchpadlib for the backend for my spamming scripts07:49
tjaaltonI'll file sync requests and merge some07:49
tjaaltonhmm libx11 1.1.99.207:50
tjaaltonwith handoff stuff07:50
bryceI think you have to install launchpadlib out of git.  We really need to get the ubuntu package updated07:50
tjaaltonDEBSMTP worked fine07:51
tjaaltonwith that I can use our own smtp-server. connections outside the network are not allowed07:51
brycecool07:51
tjaaltonsmtp connections that is. otherwise the world would be a bleak place to be07:52
wgranttjaalton: Bleak and more productive?07:53
tjaaltonwgrant: if your profession is to twiddle thumbs, then yes ;)07:53
wgrantI think the Book Meme must be the most complete one I've seen on Planet Ubuntu...07:54
tjaaltonmy home ADSL has been down for nearly five days now, and it's hard to live without it. glad that 3G works on my phone&laptop07:55
tjaaltonwgrant: yeah, even I participated..07:55
wgrantI noticed :(07:55
tjaaltonI should write something sensible quickly07:56
brycetjaalton: and risk getting kicked off planet???08:01
tjaaltonbryce: <g>08:01
tjaaltonuh, bryce, xorg-server git doesn't have patch 13810:55
tjaaltongit add ftw10:55
Kanohi, what about an automatic mac keyboard detection? grep -q Apple /proc/bus/input/devices && echo apple keyboard11:52
Kanoto set model11:52
Kanogrep -q "Apple.*Keyboard" /proc/bus/input/devices && setxkbmap -model macbook7912:23
Kanois maybe best12:23
jcristauno, it's not 'best', it's ugly. plus, pretty pointless.12:27
Kanobut it is not detected at all currently12:27
jcristauthat's ok, it doesn't need to be12:28
Kanono mac keyboard has a pc 105 layout12:28
Kanois /etc/default/console-setup used for X?12:28
jcristauyes. but again, setting the xkb model doesn't change anything, if it's not jp106 or abnt212:29
jcristau(other than the geometry, but that's usually unimportant)12:30
Kanonope, @ is for example at a different place and other extra keys12:30
Kanoespecially with german layout12:30
jcristauthat doesn't matter...12:30
Kanois the console-setup evaluted for x too or not? i read that in a german mag12:31
jcristau*sigh*12:31
Kanojcristau: btw. i do not own a mac, but i got error reports from em, those do not want/know how to change keyboard layout with live mode every time12:33
tjaaltonbryce: I've added the patch to git, no worries15:21
tjaaltonhmm, I can make my laptop fail to resume.. attach to the doc, remove from it and then put to sleep. seems to happen every time16:02
tjaaltonbut it's a kernel bug for sure16:02
Nghttps://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/273899 - anything that jumps out on that one?16:06
ubottuLaunchpad bug 273899 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "IBM thinkpad X200 use G45 and gma 4500 abnormal display 1280 x 800." [Undecided,Confirmed]16:06
NgI have an X200 in front of me for the next couple of hours16:06
Ngit's just installing at the moment and then I need to get it working and have sane VGA out, so if anyone wants any info collecting, or tests trying, shout soon :)16:07
tjaaltona logfile with modedebugging turned on16:09
tjaaltonhome ->16:11
Ngk16:12
Nghow for to modedebugging?17:19
tjaaltonOption "ModeDebug" "true"17:21
tjaaltonto the driver section17:21
Ngta17:30
Ngtjaalton: in the Device section?17:38
tjaaltonNg: uh, yes17:54
Nghttp://mairukipa.tenshu.net/x200-xlog.txt17:57
Ng(also attached to the bug)17:57
tjaaltonit thinks hdmi-1 is connected when it's not17:58
tjaaltonand since the only shared resolution is 10x7 it's used17:59
Nghuh, yeah, xrandr confirms that18:00
Ngerr what18:00
Ngjust popped it out of the dock and now it thinks HDMI-1 and -2 are connected18:00
* Ng reboots with it out of the dock18:00
tjaaltonshiny18:00
Ngit shipped with a dock :o18:02
Ngright, so this brings me in line with what people were saying on the bug. booted out of the dock and the screen res tool shows three monitors now :/18:03
Ngthe same trick of disabling the other displays still works though18:04
Nghmm, I guess I could probably use xrandr to force those devices off18:28
NgI have two issues really, getting it fixed properly in Ubuntu, and making this laptop Just Work Right Now ;)18:28
tjaaltonit's a driver bug which should be upstreamed :)19:03
bryceheya19:20
brycewow, AMD totally blew off this week's call.  :-/19:20
brycewell I emailed them the 5 bugs, I guess I can mark them committed.19:21
bryceer, confirmed19:21
brycetjaalton: hey do you know anything about a ubuntu fork of wacom-tools?19:21
superm1bryce, any word on them about what's fixed in this release (8-11)?19:22
superm1no bug numbers in their release announce unfortunately this time19:22
brycesuperm1: none19:22
superm1bryce, .... hopefully this submitting bugs to them turns out a little more productive for upcoming releases then...19:23
bryceyeah :-/19:23
bryceactually19:23
brycethey *did* say that a bug that we report to them _today_, would only show up in a release uh.. 3? months later19:24
superm1oh that's right, they develop 3 months out19:24
bryceanyway, so I wouldn't have expected that this release had any fixes for bugs we've reported19:24
superm1except in extreme circumstances19:24
superm1eg what happened with xorg 1.519:25
* bryce nods19:25
tjaaltonbryce: it's not forked, we just wanted a newer version than what debian had19:26
brycenot sure how much I can say on a public channel, but they described their typical process and it is *quite* different from what we do19:26
superm1as i understand they won't blindly fix a bug even if it's blatantly obvious unless they reproduce the problem19:27
brycetjaalton: ah19:27
bryceit's very interesting to me how different (and faster) FLOSS development process cycles are than ones around microsoft stuff19:28
brycetjaalton: ok, I'm getting complaints from debian about this.  I guess that explains what they're talking about.19:29
tjaaltonbryce: if you mean what ron said on the wacom ml I don't see it as a complaint19:30
brycetjaalton: private email19:31
tjaaltoni should probably subscribe to it19:31
tjaaltonoh...19:31
tjaaltonwell he should bump the epoch so we could collaborate better :)19:32
bryceI'll suggest that19:33
tjaaltoni've already done that, but got no reply19:35
tjaaltonlet me do that again19:35
tjaaltonmaybe he'll remember :)19:36
newz2000hi, my goal is to get an external monitor connected to my laptop. I don't kneed to use both at the same time, but when I enable the external monitor it sets the virtual resolution and disables compiz.20:38
newz2000is it possible to have the second monitor and compiz? I have a intel 945 gma video card20:43
jcristauwhen you say "it sets the virtual resolution", what do you mean by "it"?20:44
tjaaltonclone mode should probably work20:44
tjaaltonbut I think the default is to extend the desktop, and that might break it because of the current limitations20:44
newz2000"it" is the screen resolution applet20:44
newz2000the problem with the clone is that it doesn't show the right resolution20:45
newz2000the laptop is 1280x800 the external is 1280x1024 and the highest clone allows is 1024x76820:45
jcristauput one monitor above the other20:45
jcristauthen you can have 1280x182420:45
jcristauand compiz20:45
jcristauanything > 2048 and you lose20:45
newz2000ah, so 2048x2048 is ok but 2048x2049 and compiz is off?20:46
jcristauyes20:46
newz2000if I upgrade the ram and allow more for use by video will that help?20:46
jcristauno20:46
newz2000gotcha20:47
newz2000is it possible to disable the internal screen and use the external at it's native res when its present?20:48
jcristau'xrandr --output LVDS --off; xrandr --output VGA --auto' should do that20:49
jcristauassuming the external is vga20:49
newz2000ok, I'll try it out.20:49
newz2000Last question, how do I undo the virtual desktop so that I can have compiz again?20:49
jcristauchange the Virtual directive in xorg.conf20:49
jcristauor remove it20:50
brycefor anyone not on distro-team@, looks like focus on Jaunty will be on bug fixing.  :-)21:03
tjaaltonbryce: awww.. :)22:22
tjaaltonwonder what that'll mean in the real world22:31
brycehopefully should mean fewer blueprint specs this time through, and letting folks work on the bug queue instead22:32
pwnguinis distro-team publicly archived?22:38
tjaaltonas long as it doesn't prevent us from uploading the latest cra^H^H^Hstable versions to the archive22:38
tjaaltonpwnguin: it isn't22:39
pwnguinfun22:39
tjaaltonI've got xorg-server 1.5.3-1ubuntu1 nearly ready. let's declare that as the final upstream version for jaunty :P22:41
tjaaltonok ok, I'll stop now.. bedtime it seems :)22:42
bryceheh22:43
wgrantAre you sure distro-team isn't publicly archived? Lots of private Canonical stuff is accidentally archived publicly on LP.22:47
pwnguinheh22:55
brycewgrant: really?23:12
wgrantbryce: Yep...23:18
Ngdistro-team isn't hosted on LP ;)23:45
* Ng goes to read the thread, but doesn't expect it will really work out like it sounds23:46
* wgrant grumbles at this stuff being private.23:47
wgrantThe community exists too, guys.23:47
jcristau'community' is just a nicer word for 'free testers' :)23:48
Ngmost of distro-team@ really isn't very exciting23:50
Ngadministrivia and cross-posted meeting minutes mostly23:50
NgIf it was juicy I'd subscribe myself, but it's just not ;)23:51

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