[02:31] <bryce> heya sbeattie
[02:32] <sbeattie> bryce: hey
[05:58] <tjaalton> bryce: nice, I think it would be fine for an SRU
[05:59] <tjaalton> for jaunty all the shiny stuff should make the patch obsolete for good
[06:08]  * bryce ndos
[06:10] <bryce> I'm working on writing an X smoke test next
[06:10] <bryce> something I'd committed to doing a long time ago, and the due date of the EOY is coming up...
[06:13] <bryce> got my pbuilders and chroots updated for jaunty...  ready to start in on merges now :-)
[06:14] <bryce> btw, talked with jesse.  they're putting out a 2.4.3 driver
[06:16] <bryce> however it looks like we already have all the patches that are going to be in it
[06:55] <tjaalton> were you considering it for intrepid?
[06:56] <tjaalton> btw, the versions_current -page doesn't load
[06:56] <tjaalton> your site is not responding :)
[07:11] <bryce> tjaalton: yeah try :8080
[07:11] <bryce> http://bryceharrington.org:8080/X/PkgList/versions_current.html
[07:11] <bryce> my ISP blocks port 80
[07:11] <tjaalton> whee, that works
[07:12] <wgrant> bryce: Oh, they do that over there too?
[07:12] <bryce> yeah I was considering 2.4.3 for intrepid.  But we already have everything so
[07:13] <bryce> wgrant: yep.  know of a good kludgearound that doesn't require some $10/mo or something?
[07:14] <wgrant> bryce: Not really. I do some stuff over IPv6 tunnels, but that's not a workaround for everything yet.
[07:14] <wgrant> But uni has IPv6, so it works for that.
[07:28] <tjaalton> sigh, why doesn't requestsync work.. hangs when trying to open the smtp connection
[07:29] <wgrant> tjaalton: Use the launchpadlib backend.
[07:32] <tjaalton> wgrant: the what? I'll just file a bug if there's no quicker way to do it :)
[07:36] <wgrant> tjaalton: Make sure you have python-launchpad-bugs installed, and run requestsync with --lp.
[07:36] <wgrant> That will use the LP API to do things, rather than email.
[07:36] <tjaalton> wgrant: oh, nice
[07:37] <tjaalton> I need to login first?
[07:37] <wgrant> Hmmm, probably.
[07:37] <wgrant> Not sure how, but there will be docs somewhere...
[07:41] <tjaalton> hmm, DEBSMTP.. I'll just set that
[07:48] <bryce> tjaalton: hey got something for ya
[07:48] <bryce> http://bryceharrington.org:8080/X/PkgList/versions_current.html
[07:48] <bryce> now with jaunty jackalopes
[07:49] <bryce> wgrant: not too many docs ;-)
[07:49] <tjaalton> bryce: great thanks
[07:49] <bryce> I'm using launchpadlib for the backend for my spamming scripts
[07:49] <tjaalton> I'll file sync requests and merge some
[07:50] <tjaalton> hmm libx11 1.1.99.2
[07:50] <tjaalton> with handoff stuff
[07:50] <bryce> I think you have to install launchpadlib out of git.  We really need to get the ubuntu package updated
[07:51] <tjaalton> DEBSMTP worked fine
[07:51] <tjaalton> with that I can use our own smtp-server. connections outside the network are not allowed
[07:51] <bryce> cool
[07:52] <tjaalton> smtp connections that is. otherwise the world would be a bleak place to be
[07:53] <wgrant> tjaalton: Bleak and more productive?
[07:53] <tjaalton> wgrant: if your profession is to twiddle thumbs, then yes ;)
[07:54] <wgrant> I think the Book Meme must be the most complete one I've seen on Planet Ubuntu...
[07:55] <tjaalton> my home ADSL has been down for nearly five days now, and it's hard to live without it. glad that 3G works on my phone&laptop
[07:55] <tjaalton> wgrant: yeah, even I participated..
[07:55] <wgrant> I noticed :(
[07:56] <tjaalton> I should write something sensible quickly
[08:01] <bryce> tjaalton: and risk getting kicked off planet???
[08:01] <tjaalton> bryce: <g>
[10:55] <tjaalton> uh, bryce, xorg-server git doesn't have patch 138
[10:55] <tjaalton> git add ftw
[11:52] <Kano> hi, what about an automatic mac keyboard detection? grep -q Apple /proc/bus/input/devices && echo apple keyboard
[11:52] <Kano> to set model
[12:23] <Kano> grep -q "Apple.*Keyboard" /proc/bus/input/devices && setxkbmap -model macbook79
[12:23] <Kano> is maybe best
[12:27] <jcristau> no, it's not 'best', it's ugly. plus, pretty pointless.
[12:27] <Kano> but it is not detected at all currently
[12:28] <jcristau> that's ok, it doesn't need to be
[12:28] <Kano> no mac keyboard has a pc 105 layout
[12:28] <Kano> is /etc/default/console-setup used for X?
[12:29] <jcristau> yes. but again, setting the xkb model doesn't change anything, if it's not jp106 or abnt2
[12:30] <jcristau> (other than the geometry, but that's usually unimportant)
[12:30] <Kano> nope, @ is for example at a different place and other extra keys
[12:30] <Kano> especially with german layout
[12:30] <jcristau> that doesn't matter...
[12:31] <Kano> is the console-setup evaluted for x too or not? i read that in a german mag
[12:31] <jcristau> *sigh*
[12:33] <Kano> jcristau: btw. i do not own a mac, but i got error reports from em, those do not want/know how to change keyboard layout with live mode every time
[15:21] <tjaalton> bryce: I've added the patch to git, no worries
[16:02] <tjaalton> hmm, I can make my laptop fail to resume.. attach to the doc, remove from it and then put to sleep. seems to happen every time
[16:02] <tjaalton> but it's a kernel bug for sure
[16:06] <Ng> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/273899 - anything that jumps out on that one?
[16:06] <Ng> I have an X200 in front of me for the next couple of hours
[16:07] <Ng> it's just installing at the moment and then I need to get it working and have sane VGA out, so if anyone wants any info collecting, or tests trying, shout soon :)
[16:09] <tjaalton> a logfile with modedebugging turned on
[16:11] <tjaalton> home ->
[16:12] <Ng> k
[17:19] <Ng> how for to modedebugging?
[17:21] <tjaalton> Option "ModeDebug" "true"
[17:21] <tjaalton> to the driver section
[17:30] <Ng> ta
[17:38] <Ng> tjaalton: in the Device section?
[17:54] <tjaalton> Ng: uh, yes
[17:57] <Ng> http://mairukipa.tenshu.net/x200-xlog.txt
[17:57] <Ng> (also attached to the bug)
[17:58] <tjaalton> it thinks hdmi-1 is connected when it's not
[17:59] <tjaalton> and since the only shared resolution is 10x7 it's used
[18:00] <Ng> huh, yeah, xrandr confirms that
[18:00] <Ng> err what
[18:00] <Ng> just popped it out of the dock and now it thinks HDMI-1 and -2 are connected
[18:00]  * Ng reboots with it out of the dock
[18:00] <tjaalton> shiny
[18:02] <Ng> it shipped with a dock :o
[18:03] <Ng> right, so this brings me in line with what people were saying on the bug. booted out of the dock and the screen res tool shows three monitors now :/
[18:04] <Ng> the same trick of disabling the other displays still works though
[18:28] <Ng> hmm, I guess I could probably use xrandr to force those devices off
[18:28] <Ng> I have two issues really, getting it fixed properly in Ubuntu, and making this laptop Just Work Right Now ;)
[19:03] <tjaalton> it's a driver bug which should be upstreamed :)
[19:20] <bryce> heya
[19:20] <bryce> wow, AMD totally blew off this week's call.  :-/
[19:21] <bryce> well I emailed them the 5 bugs, I guess I can mark them committed.
[19:21] <bryce> er, confirmed
[19:21] <bryce> tjaalton: hey do you know anything about a ubuntu fork of wacom-tools?
[19:22] <superm1> bryce, any word on them about what's fixed in this release (8-11)?
[19:22] <superm1> no bug numbers in their release announce unfortunately this time
[19:22] <bryce> superm1: none
[19:23] <superm1> bryce, .... hopefully this submitting bugs to them turns out a little more productive for upcoming releases then...
[19:23] <bryce> yeah :-/
[19:23] <bryce> actually
[19:24] <bryce> they *did* say that a bug that we report to them _today_, would only show up in a release uh.. 3? months later
[19:24] <superm1> oh that's right, they develop 3 months out
[19:24] <bryce> anyway, so I wouldn't have expected that this release had any fixes for bugs we've reported
[19:24] <superm1> except in extreme circumstances
[19:25] <superm1> eg what happened with xorg 1.5
[19:25]  * bryce nods
[19:26] <tjaalton> bryce: it's not forked, we just wanted a newer version than what debian had
[19:26] <bryce> not sure how much I can say on a public channel, but they described their typical process and it is *quite* different from what we do
[19:27] <superm1> as i understand they won't blindly fix a bug even if it's blatantly obvious unless they reproduce the problem
[19:27] <bryce> tjaalton: ah
[19:28] <bryce> it's very interesting to me how different (and faster) FLOSS development process cycles are than ones around microsoft stuff
[19:29] <bryce> tjaalton: ok, I'm getting complaints from debian about this.  I guess that explains what they're talking about.
[19:30] <tjaalton> bryce: if you mean what ron said on the wacom ml I don't see it as a complaint
[19:31] <bryce> tjaalton: private email
[19:31] <tjaalton> i should probably subscribe to it
[19:31] <tjaalton> oh...
[19:32] <tjaalton> well he should bump the epoch so we could collaborate better :)
[19:33] <bryce> I'll suggest that
[19:35] <tjaalton> i've already done that, but got no reply
[19:35] <tjaalton> let me do that again
[19:36] <tjaalton> maybe he'll remember :)
[20:38] <newz2000> hi, my goal is to get an external monitor connected to my laptop. I don't kneed to use both at the same time, but when I enable the external monitor it sets the virtual resolution and disables compiz.
[20:43] <newz2000> is it possible to have the second monitor and compiz? I have a intel 945 gma video card
[20:44] <jcristau> when you say "it sets the virtual resolution", what do you mean by "it"?
[20:44] <tjaalton> clone mode should probably work
[20:44] <tjaalton> but I think the default is to extend the desktop, and that might break it because of the current limitations
[20:44] <newz2000> "it" is the screen resolution applet
[20:45] <newz2000> the problem with the clone is that it doesn't show the right resolution
[20:45] <newz2000> the laptop is 1280x800 the external is 1280x1024 and the highest clone allows is 1024x768
[20:45] <jcristau> put one monitor above the other
[20:45] <jcristau> then you can have 1280x1824
[20:45] <jcristau> and compiz
[20:45] <jcristau> anything > 2048 and you lose
[20:46] <newz2000> ah, so 2048x2048 is ok but 2048x2049 and compiz is off?
[20:46] <jcristau> yes
[20:46] <newz2000> if I upgrade the ram and allow more for use by video will that help?
[20:46] <jcristau> no
[20:47] <newz2000> gotcha
[20:48] <newz2000> is it possible to disable the internal screen and use the external at it's native res when its present?
[20:49] <jcristau> 'xrandr --output LVDS --off; xrandr --output VGA --auto' should do that
[20:49] <jcristau> assuming the external is vga
[20:49] <newz2000> ok, I'll try it out.
[20:49] <newz2000> Last question, how do I undo the virtual desktop so that I can have compiz again?
[20:49] <jcristau> change the Virtual directive in xorg.conf
[20:50] <jcristau> or remove it
[21:03] <bryce> for anyone not on distro-team@, looks like focus on Jaunty will be on bug fixing.  :-)
[22:22] <tjaalton> bryce: awww.. :)
[22:31] <tjaalton> wonder what that'll mean in the real world
[22:32] <bryce> hopefully should mean fewer blueprint specs this time through, and letting folks work on the bug queue instead
[22:38] <pwnguin> is distro-team publicly archived?
[22:38] <tjaalton> as long as it doesn't prevent us from uploading the latest cra^H^H^Hstable versions to the archive
[22:39] <tjaalton> pwnguin: it isn't
[22:39] <pwnguin> fun
[22:41] <tjaalton> I've got xorg-server 1.5.3-1ubuntu1 nearly ready. let's declare that as the final upstream version for jaunty :P
[22:42] <tjaalton> ok ok, I'll stop now.. bedtime it seems :)
[22:43] <bryce> heh
[22:47] <wgrant> Are you sure distro-team isn't publicly archived? Lots of private Canonical stuff is accidentally archived publicly on LP.
[22:55] <pwnguin> heh
[23:12] <bryce> wgrant: really?
[23:18] <wgrant> bryce: Yep...
[23:45] <Ng> distro-team isn't hosted on LP ;)
[23:46]  * Ng goes to read the thread, but doesn't expect it will really work out like it sounds
[23:47]  * wgrant grumbles at this stuff being private.
[23:47] <wgrant> The community exists too, guys.
[23:48] <jcristau> 'community' is just a nicer word for 'free testers' :)
[23:50] <Ng> most of distro-team@ really isn't very exciting
[23:50] <Ng> administrivia and cross-posted meeting minutes mostly
[23:51] <Ng> If it was juicy I'd subscribe myself, but it's just not ;)