[00:35] <vidd> juanantonio, hows the install coming?
[01:17] <Bumphead> how can i get verbose startup on xu 8.10?
[01:17] <Bumphead> my screen is just blank during startup
[01:17] <Bumphead> unless i run troubleshooting mode
[01:20] <TheSheep> Bumphead: edit /boot/menu.lst and remove 'quiet' and 'splash' options from the kernel option line
[01:21] <Bumphead> um, i don't see menu.lst is boot
[01:21] <Bumphead> in boot
[01:21] <Bumphead> sorry, it's in grub
[01:21] <TheSheep> /boot/grub/
[01:21] <TheSheep> sorry
[01:22] <Bumphead> the help is definitely appreciated, though
[01:22] <Bumphead> and while we're at it, how can i turn off fsck every 26 boots or so?
[01:22] <Bumphead> can i just comment those lines out?
[01:22] <TheSheep> no, the rest of the options must stay
[01:23] <TheSheep> you can tune how often to check the disks with tune2fs
[01:23] <TheSheep> see man tune2fs for details
[01:23] <Bumphead> alright. thanks
[02:25] <DetroitLibertyPe> Greetings!
[02:25] <DetroitLibertyPe> Any idea what I need to do to get the scroll buttons to work on each side of my trackball, aka Logitech Marble Mouse?
[02:46] <DetroitLibertyPe> hmm..not the offical Xubuntu support channel?
[02:56] <hillshum_> https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/internet/C/networking-browsenetcomps.html tells me to go Places>>Network, but xfce has none.
[02:56] <hillshum_> What do I do
[02:56] <hillshum_> ??
[03:00] <homebrewcider> is it possible to save stuff from trash after emptying?
[03:04] <hillshum_> data recovery utils?
[03:38] <DetroitLibertyPe> homebrewcider: I wish I knew
[04:10] <ajobondon> hello
[04:31] <frenzy42> how to you upgrade from the LTS version
[04:34] <cody-somerville> run update-manager -d
[04:34] <frenzy42> thanks
[04:52] <Dominik> not alot of xubuntu users huh?
[04:52] <Dominik> anyways, how can I change appearence of xubuntu?
[05:41] <thekanclub> can any one tell me how to mount windows partition?
[05:46] <rajneesh> can any one tell me how to mount windows partition?
[05:48] <rajneesh> can any one tell me how to mount windows partition? please
[06:35] <owen1> i try to send the video to the VGA output. i try this command but i can't see anything on the external monitor -  xrandr --verbose --output VGA --mode 1024x768 --pos 0x0   any idea?
[07:21] <judgen> quick question: how do i make xfce lower the windows when right-clicking the titlebar?
[07:32] <ubd> hello
[07:34] <ubd> i have installed xubuntu. ı am usıng a laptop wıth a broken lcd, laptop is connected to a 1650* monitor. ı would lıke to be able to close the lid and use at natıve resolutıon of the monitor. can you help me?
[07:35] <ubd> when i close the lid, screen goes of on both monitors
[07:39] <judgen> ubd: have you tried the hardware sollution? to open it and remove the detector cable?
[07:41] <ubd> judgen: does that ımply we dont have a software solutıon?
[07:44] <judgen> ubd: but that is probably the best sollution for any OS =)
[07:55] <ubd> how do i start the xfce panel
[07:56] <judgen> how do i make xfce lower the windows when right-clicking the titlebar?
[12:18] <PsynoKhi0> Hey, having a slight mouse trouble in Hardy on a laptop here. Both the touchpad and an external mouse are configured in xorg.conf, and both work nicely if the mouse is plugged into an USB port. Unfortunately the laptop is kinda old and it has only 2 USB ports, which are cramped at the back. So now I'm trying to connect the mouse to the PS2 plug with an adapter but it doesn't work anymore, dmesg spits "psmouse.c: TouchPad at isa
[13:24] <djmrsmith> hello all, i am new :-) need help lol
[13:25] <djmrsmith> i run xubuntu, i upgraded to 8.10 and now i lost my vpn settings and do not remember how to re configure to connect
[13:25] <djmrsmith> so, my question is.... how do i restore my old settings so i can just connect to my vpn instead of having to mess around and contact my admin who is a windoze freak, and does not have the time of day for Linux\
[13:27] <djmrsmith> hello?
[13:29] <vidd> djmrsmith, sorry...i do not know the answer....
[13:29] <djmrsmith> ok thanks
[13:29] <vidd> but if you open the new nm applet, there is a vpn tab
[13:30] <djmrsmith> yeah, but no old settings in there
[13:30] <djmrsmith> tried to create new but forget how i did it before.... you know where the original files would live, maybe i can find them and import or something
[13:30] <vidd> were your old settings stored in your /etc/networking/interfaces?
[13:30] <djmrsmith> i got a backup but it says some crap about not valid or somkething when i try to import
[13:30] <djmrsmith> dont know, let me look
[13:31] <vidd> you cant import.....
[13:31] <vidd> just copy the data by hand
[13:31] <vidd> *if you cant....
[13:32] <djmrsmith> i cannot, tried but seems 8.10 is diferent
[13:32] <djmrsmith> only got this in interfaces
[13:32] <djmrsmith> auto lo
[13:32] <djmrsmith> iface lo inet loopback
[13:34]  * vidd has never used vpn...so i would not know where it would be set up in 8.04
[13:34] <vidd> where was it in 8.04
[13:36] <djmrsmith> just run a locate on vpn and found the stuff in /home/me/.gconf/system/networkings/vpn connections/
[13:37] <djmrsmith> now i will try to add new using this info instead od backuped one, this has more details
[13:37] <vidd> djmrsmith, open that up, and copy the settings into the new nm applet vpn tab (then cross fingers and pray!)
[13:37] <djmrsmith> yeah :-) i try
[13:37] <djmrsmith> cheers anyways
[13:39] <vidd> djmrsmith, worst case senario, you just need to get the requested info from your sysadmin
[13:40] <djmrsmith> yeah, but he is a windoze guy and it blags me and him trying to work out what settings i actually need
[13:40] <djmrsmith> and he's annoying
[13:40] <vidd> dont tell him you need it for linux...just ask for item 1, item 2, item 3 etc
[13:41] <djmrsmith> yeah i try
[13:41] <djmrsmith> :-) let me try this, we'll see what happens
[13:48] <djmrsmith> you know the name of the old nm program
[13:48] <djmrsmith> new one interface is different and therefore i cannot chage some setting s that i have in my .conf file
[13:51] <vidd> djmrsmith, make a note of the info the new thing asks for....get that info from your sysadmin, and you should be good
[13:52] <djmrsmith> yeah
[13:54] <vidd> if ya dont tell him why you need it...or tell him you dont need a walk-thru, he shouldnt care
[15:56] <buzz_> hi. im looking to replace kwalletmanager on xfce. xubuntu has seahorse, but I dont see that it can handle any plain text storage of password information. Do i need another application also ?
[15:56] <buzz_> i want to store lots of passwords like sql passes etc
[16:06] <buzz_> hmm im on a channel of bots or i live in the wrong timezone ;-)
[16:07] <vidd> wrong timezone
[16:07] <buzz_> :)
[16:08] <vidd> since i have no clue what kwalletmanager is, nor why you would want to keep database passwords accessable on a computer, i cant help ya
[16:11] <vidd> buzz_, you may want to try http://www.accessmanager.co.uk/
[16:13] <vidd> buzz_, nvmd...that is windows based =\
[16:15] <vidd> buzz_, look here : http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/personal-password-manager-linux-windows-os-x.html
[16:16] <erythrocyte> hi i'm on a pure XFCE system and would like to adjust my time and date settings graphically...what software do i need to install to get the Time and Date settings manager in the stock Xubuntu distro?
[16:18] <vidd> erythrocyte, its already installed under the "system" menu
[16:19] <erythrocyte> vidd: no i have pure XFCE...stock XFCE ..not xubuntu-desktop
[16:19] <ball> I think it's called Clock
[16:19] <erythrocyte> vidd: i'm not on xubuntu btw...i'm on arch but i like the time and date settings manager on xubuntu..need to find out what package provides that function
[16:20] <ball> ...though it may be part of Xfce-panel
[16:20] <vidd> erythrocyte, the app is called clock
[16:20] <ball> vidd: clock or Clock?
[16:20] <erythrocyte> ball: yea i have xfce4-datetime-plugin but it doesnt have that functionality
[16:21] <ball> erythrocyte: do you have xfce4-panel?
[16:21] <erythrocyte> ball: yes
[16:21] <ball> can you launch clock from the command line?
[16:21] <vidd> im looking....
[16:21] <erythrocyte> ball: wait lemme try
[16:21] <erythrocyte> ball: nope
[16:22] <erythrocyte> ball: it says command not found...maybe its not installed or something
[16:22] <vidd> erythrocyte, the app is called "time-admin"
[16:22] <erythrocyte> vidd: thanks :)
[16:23] <ball> time-admin isn't what I see when I click on the clock on my title bar
[16:23] <ball> panel, whatever the thing's called
[16:23] <erythrocyte> ball: any idea how i could get the package on arch?
[16:23] <vidd> ball, he wants the "adjuster" not the panel-app
[16:24] <ball> vidd: the panel app comes with a (different) adjuster, if that helps.
[16:24] <vidd> erythrocyte, the easiest way is to install ubuntu =]
[16:25] <erythrocyte> vidd: i already have it btw...i dual boot :)
[16:25] <erythrocyte> vidd: triple boot..sorry :)
[16:25]  * ball chuckles
[16:25] <vidd> then why on open the app and look at the system monitor to figure out what app you want???????
[16:26] <vidd> (this is how i found out the app's name)
[16:26] <erythrocyte> vidd: but there's an important app running on there...i don't want to reboot to disrupt it..that's why..thanks anyway
[16:27] <vidd> erythrocyte, you can always set your ssytem to auto-update date and time
[16:28] <ball> Does Xubuntu keep the hardware clock at GMT and calculate offsets based on locale settings?
[16:28] <erythrocyte> vidd: ok...
[16:28] <Odd-rationale> ball: it can, depends on how you set it up.
[16:28] <erythrocyte> vidd: ball: time-admin is part of gnome-system-tools?
[16:28] <ball> Oh good.
[16:28] <vidd> ball, if you said "system time is UTC" then yes...otherwise, no
[16:29] <Odd-rationale> erythrocyte: i believe so.
[16:29] <ball> Am I right in thinking that the menu bar at the top of the screen and the task bar at the bottom are both part of xfce4-panel?
[16:29] <erythrocyte> Odd-rationale: ok
[16:30] <Odd-rationale> ball: yes. both are one instance of xfce-panel
[16:30] <Odd-rationale> xfce4-panel*
[16:30] <ball> Odd-rationale: thanks.
[16:33] <erythrocyte> does Orage allow time/date settings?
[16:36] <erythrocyte> nautilus is listed as a dependency for gnome-system-tools on Arch ..not on Ubuntu..that's weird
[16:37] <vidd> erythrocyte, thats becuase gnome system tools is on xubuntu....which does not use nautilus
[16:38] <Odd-rationale> erythrocyte: you would probably have to recompile gnome-system-tools to be used without nautilus... or something
[16:38] <erythrocyte> vidd: Odd-rationale: alright
[16:39] <Odd-rationale> erythrocyte: i personally did not like gnome-system-tools on Archlinux. even when using gnome. it seems to mess up the rc.conf file and such....
[16:40] <ball> What does gnome-system-tools do?
[16:42] <erythrocyte> Odd-rationale: yea...the only reason i think a GUI would be nice is because the primary user on the Arch system is a total noob...and this sorta thing is so basic that there's just got to be a GUI for it..i mean there's a GUI for lm-sensors! so why not this? right? but that's just me :)
[16:42] <Odd-rationale> ball: provides graphical utilites for things suchas as time/date, users and groups, autostarted services, etc.
[16:43] <Odd-rationale> erythrocyte: if you use a network time protocol daemon (openntpd) it will set the time automattically and sync with the official servers...
[16:43] <ball> Odd-rationale: and Xubuntu uses that?
[16:44] <erythrocyte> Odd-rationale: i don't want to depend on a dedicated internet line...
[16:44] <ball> dial-up ftw
[16:45] <Odd-rationale> ball: i believe so.
[16:45] <Odd-rationale> erythrocyte: i only run the sync command like once a week. you could probably get away with less..
[16:46] <erythrocyte> Odd-rationale: alright...i'm keeping that option open
[16:48] <ball> I would happily revert to dial-up if I could find it for about US$ 10/month
[16:48] <ball> Mrs. ball would probably object though.
[16:51] <erythrocyte> Odd-rationale: it says here that system-tools-backends is a dependency of gnome-system-tools ..i take it that this isn't a GUI?
[16:51] <erythrocyte> http://system-tools-backends.freedesktop.org/index.html
[16:52] <martin__> Hello all.. I just installed xubuntu on my old AMD Atlhon 1800+ /1,25GB RAM but the strange thing is that i find xubuntu to be slower and less responsive than normal ubuntu with gnome. It kinda lags when shifting windows and stuff.. Anyone else experiencing the same thing?
[16:52] <Odd-rationale> erythrocyte: yes, that is the backend that gnome-system-tools uses... it runs as a daemon, you have to add it to your daemon line in your rc.conf
[16:53] <ball> martin__: are you running the right X server?
[16:54] <martin__> bal-> I dont know.. How do i check?
[16:55] <ball> martin__: In Xubuntu?  I'm not sure.  Hopefully someone here knows.
[16:55] <martin__> ball-> Is there more than one xserver?
[16:56] <ball> martin__: These days I think the X server may be decoupled from the drivers, so I should really have asked if you were using the correct driver.  I don't know how to check that on Xubuntu though, sorry.
[16:57] <Odd-rationale> ubuntu and xubuntu *should* use the same video drivers...
[16:58] <Odd-rationale> martin__: what does "lspci | grep VGA" give you?
[17:00] <martin__> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV350 AP [Radeon 9600]
[17:00] <martin__> I'm using the proprietary driver from ATI/AMD
[17:00] <Odd-rationale> martin__: did you install the proprietary drivers from the restricted drivers manager?
[17:01] <martin__> Yes!
[17:01] <Odd-rationale> martin__: did you reboot after that?
[17:01] <ball> Perhaps it's evil.
[17:02] <martin__> yes i have rebooted a few times since then..
[17:03] <martin__> I have found other people having the same problem in a few forums but no solution...
[17:03] <Odd-rationale> martin__: is this 8.10?
[17:03] <martin__> yes
[17:04] <Odd-rationale> martin__: did you try specifying the correct driver in your xorg.conf file?
[17:06] <martin__> Odd-rationale, No, i have not been in the xorg.conf yet. I know from experience not to mess with that unless absolutely nessacery..
[17:08] <Odd-rationale> martin__: well, as long as you keep a backup of a working xorg.conf file, you should be ok...
[17:13] <martin__> Odd-rationale, I just had a look at the System monitor and it seams that the CPU is under high load the entire time.. 80 -100% when i look at the list of processes and sort them bu cpu usage i only get firefox thats using 7% and thats it
[17:13] <ball> I have to go
[17:14] <vidd> martin__, set up your system monitor to show all processes
[17:14] <buzz_> vidd, thanks for the links. seems a shame that seahorse cant handle such things too
[17:15] <vidd> buzz_, for all i know...maybe it can (as i said...its nothing i use)
[17:17] <martin__> vidd, i did that now and it seams that its xorg that eats up my cpu power..
[17:18] <martin__> everytime i change tab to another window it eats up about 50 percent of cpu power
[17:18] <vidd> martin__, do you dual-boot ubuntu/xubuntu or one install/2 sessions?
[17:19] <Odd-rationale> martin__: can you pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log file?
[17:19] <martin__> no i just run xubuntu right now..
[17:19] <vidd> martin__, did you completely remove ubuntu? or did you fresh install?
[17:21] <martin__> i ran windows xp before installing xubuntu, i reinstalled using the "use entire disc" option in the partitioner when I installed xubuntu..
[17:21] <martin__> So i guess there should not be any traces of any other operating system...
[17:22] <vidd> so you did a fresh install (live or alt cd)?
[17:22] <martin__> yes..
[17:22] <vidd> live or alt?
[17:23] <martin__> live
[17:23] <vidd> have you run sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[17:25] <martin__> Odd-rationale, Pastebin of my Xorg.0.log: http://pastebin.com/d299110c7
[17:26] <martin__> vidd, but i ran the gui update manager and downloaded tons of updates..
[17:26] <opiemsith1> can anyone tell me why i can run combat arms through wine on gnome and kde but with fluxbox it crashes on startup?
[17:27] <vidd> martin__, you reboot after all the updates?
[17:27] <martin__> yes..
[17:28] <Odd-rationale> martin__: can you also pastebin your /etc/X11/xorg.con file?
[17:30] <martin__> Odd-rationale, http://pastebin.com/d4b2ce7ae
[17:30]  * vidd is out of ideas =\
[17:31] <Odd-rationale> martin__: have you tried changing your Driver "fglrx" line to "ati" ? (be sure to backup your xorg.conf file first: sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.bak)
[17:34] <martin__> Now haven't tried that yet..  I could try, but every time i change something in xorg.conf i screws up my system and I end up having to reinstall everything :)
[17:35] <martin__> I'll try, reboot and get back to you..
[17:35] <Odd-rationale> martin__: no, just use ctrl+alt+f2 to get to a console. login. then replace your xorg.conf with the backed up one
[17:35] <vidd> martin__, if it messaes up....simply rename the .bak
[17:35] <vidd> Odd-rationale, you type too fast =]
[17:36] <Odd-rationale> :P
[17:37] <buzz_> my god. switching email clients is such an arse. i should have used imap instead of pop3 and maildirs
[17:37] <buzz_> grumble
[17:37] <Odd-rationale> imap ftw! :D
[17:38] <vidd> buzz_, what are you switching to/from?
[17:38] <vidd> or are you backing up for a re-install?
[17:38] <buzz_> kmail to something else :-) maybe erm thunderbird
[17:39] <vidd> buzz_, if you are not re-installing the OS, then install thunderbird (or whatever) and import!
[17:39] <buzz_> i could script it, to convert all the kmaildirs to mboxes
[17:39] <Odd-rationale> i just use gmail as my email client... since i always have a browser open anyways... no need to have a separate app running...
[17:39] <buzz_> yeh.. im not reinstalling. im storming off from kde in a huff!
[17:40] <buzz_> i want to see if i prefer an environment with 10 functions that work well, rather than 100 that dont
[17:40] <buzz_> im not totally decided on mail client. kmail is actually one of the better kde apps
[17:40] <Odd-rationale> buzz_: plan to switch to xfce? or gnome? or some wm of some sort?
[17:40] <buzz_> but the new version is worse than the older kde 3.x version currently
[17:40] <buzz_> im already on xfce
[17:41] <Odd-rationale> buzz_: claws mail is a good lightweight email client. it is pretty good...
[17:41] <buzz_> not bad so far. although i miss some virtual filesystem layer stuff of kde
[17:41] <buzz_> Odd-rationale, imap support ?
[17:41] <Odd-rationale> buzz_: i believe so...
[17:41] <Odd-rationale> !find claws
[17:41] <buzz_> Odd-rationale, im going to put all my mail on my imap server. so then i can try a few out
[17:42] <Odd-rationale> !info claws0mail
[17:42] <Odd-rationale> !info claws-mail
[17:43] <Odd-rationale> buzz_: here's some screenies: http://www.claws-mail.org/screenshots.php?section=general
[17:43] <buzz_> im dont necessarily wnat lightweight. just not too slow to load, and not buggy.
[17:43] <buzz_> yeh actually ive been there. looks clean
[17:44] <vidd> buzz_, then set up the imap account.... and drag all the messages into the imap account
[17:44] <buzz_> any advantage to disconnected imap ?
[17:44] <buzz_> offline reading i guess
[17:44] <Odd-rationale> The nice thing about thunderbird is that it is crossplatform
[17:44] <buzz_> vidd, tis my plan
[17:46] <martin_> Odd-rationale, Yes!! It worked..now its fast as lightning..
[17:47] <buzz_> vidd, about password managers. i found one revelation which looks ok.
[17:47] <Odd-rationale> martin_: cool!
[17:47] <vidd> martin_, its amazing what happens when your system uses the correct drivers
[17:47] <vidd> =]
[17:48] <erythrocyte> Odd-rationale: i went the openntpd way as you suggested...hopefully things shouldn't be too difficult now ..thanks :0
[17:48] <Odd-rationale> buzz_: i haven't found a password manager that is quite like kwallet... it seems like gnome/gtk is not quite that integrated...
[17:48] <erythrocyte> :)
[17:48] <martin_> Another problem occurred though, the screen resolution changed. My screens resolution is 1280x1024 but thats not even available as an option in the display preferences...
[17:49] <Odd-rationale> erythrocyte: ok :) see you in #archlinux :P
[17:49] <Odd-rationale> martin_: can you pastebin the output of `xrandr`
[17:49] <buzz_> Odd-rationale, well, the problem for me was that firefox couldnt use kwallet anyway, and i got fed up with konqueror bugs on kde. but kwallet doesnt allow you to store you own custom passwords in a very organised manner, i mean you have basically a tree, and you can make notes
[17:49] <buzz_> but the integration with kde apps is good
[17:49] <buzz_> but isnt that what gnome-keyring is all about ?
[17:50] <buzz_> or maybe thats only pgp/public key stuff
[17:50] <Odd-rationale> buzz_: yeah, the only password manager i use now is the one on firefox...
[17:50] <Odd-rationale> buzz_: yeah, i think the gnome keyring is for ssh and gpg
[17:50] <buzz_> Odd-rationale, they should extend it perhaps for all passwords. i mean. it makes sense to me to do it all in one place
[17:51] <martin_> http://pastebin.com/d786540a5
[17:51] <Odd-rationale> martin_: what resolution do you want?
[17:51] <martin_> 1280x1024
[17:52] <Odd-rationale> martin_: try `xrandr -x 1280x1024`
[17:52] <Odd-rationale> martin_: whoops.
[17:52] <Odd-rationale> wrong command...
[17:53] <Odd-rationale> martin_: `xrandr -s 1280x1024`
[17:53] <martin_> Odd-rationale, Size 1280x1024 not found in available modes
[17:55] <Odd-rationale> hmm...
[17:56] <vidd> martin_, you have the vga pluged in or the dvi plugged in?
[17:57] <martin_> I have two screens, but the one I'm using is on the VGA... might be a good idea to unplug the second screen that I'm not using i guess..
[17:58] <vidd> from what you pasted, it looks like the driver only supports that resolution via the dvi jack...and you are not using that jack
[17:59] <Odd-rationale> martin_: you might also try editing your xorg.conf Screen section to look like this: http://pastebin.com/m71ea48c0
[17:59] <vidd> Odd-rationale, with the new "hal trumps xorg" will that actually matter?
[17:59] <Odd-rationale> vidd: idk...
[18:00] <martin_> wait a minute.. i am using the dvi but with a VGA adapter.. and I had already removed the second screen so schrach that..
[18:00] <Odd-rationale> i really don't like the new xorg in 8.04/8.10
[18:00] <vidd> Odd-rationale, its not acually xorg...its hal
[18:01] <Odd-rationale> oh, i see...
[18:01] <Odd-rationale> so hal is doing all the autodetecting...
[18:01] <Odd-rationale> but all the old xorg.conf files should be backward compatible...
[18:01] <vidd> right....and from the 2001 movie...we all know how WONDERFUL hal is when left to his own devices!
[18:02] <vidd> =]
[18:02] <vidd> Odd-rationale, IDK if manually editing xorg.conf will do anything
[18:03] <Odd-rationale> shouldn't it override the autodetect settings?
[18:03] <vidd> (you have seen 2001 A Space Odyssey ?
[18:03] <vidd> Odd-rationale, again...idk
[18:04]  * vidd is half blind and doesnt put his screen resolution past 1024x768 anyway
[18:04] <martin_> Odd-rationale, Ok i changed the xorg.conf again.. do i have to reboot or is the Ctrl + Alt + Backspace enough to restart the xserver?
[18:05] <vidd> C=A=BKS
[18:05] <vidd> C+A+BKS
[18:05] <Odd-rationale> martin_: log out...
[18:05] <Odd-rationale> well, whatever... :P
[18:05] <vidd> Odd-rationale, C+A+BKS restarts x
[18:06] <vidd> wb martin_
[18:06] <Odd-rationale> i know... but i like telling them to logout better... as at least they know it will close all unsaved docs,etc...
[18:06] <martin_> Odd-rationale, vidd, yay i have the right screen resolution!
[18:06] <vidd> Odd-rationale, ah...never thought of that
[18:06] <Odd-rationale> martin_: cool :P
[18:07] <vidd> martin_, glad to hear that hal can be beaten into shape =]
[18:07] <vidd> (now if it would only listen to synaptics
[18:07] <martin_> he he..
[18:09] <vidd> martin_, Odd-rationale go rent "A Space Odyssey" for mor insite into why "HAL" is not a good name for something you want to auto-configure your system!
[18:09] <martin_> When i look at the system monitor the xorg is still using a lot of CPU, but not as much as before and the system feels much more responsive..
[18:09] <martin_> Thanks for the help you guys!
[18:10] <Odd-rationale> np
[18:47] <DetroitLibertyPe> hurray for disconnecting
[18:50] <DetroitLibertyPe> What are the +
[18:51] <DetroitLibertyPe> what are the +'s to upgrading to 8.10 insead fo staying with the LTS of 8.07?
[18:51] <zoredache> you get newer versions of things...
[18:52] <DetroitLibertyPe> well i'm a big fan of "if it ain't broke dont' fix it"
[18:57] <DetroitLibertyPe> Like when I upgrade to Mandriva 2009, stuff didn't work as well as it used to, which is the whole reason i checked out Xubuntu in the first place
[18:57] <DetroitLibertyPe> and I liked the idea of LTS for 3 years
[19:01] <vidd> DetroitLibertyPe, what is interesting to note: while the LTS is supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server, they are released every 2 years (at least, if the current cycle continues)
[19:02] <vidd> The puirpose behind having LTS is more for companies where the idea of upgrading multitudes of systems every 6 months is a little less then desireable.
[19:06] <DetroitLibertyPe> okay
[19:07] <DetroitLibertyPe> Any idea why on the setup i Have now if i edit the config to allow the scroll buttons on my marble mouse to work then my PC never shuts down completley?
[19:40] <shane_> hello i need to know how to switch from kubuntu to xubuntu
[19:40] <shane_> is it posible to run a sudo comand and have it done
[19:40] <vidd> !purexfce
[19:41] <shane_> TY
[19:42] <hhh2> what remain?
[19:43] <DetroitLibertyPe> I'm guessing there's a similar option for the other way XFCE to KDE?
[19:49] <jarnos> I made some script that helps you to remove some desktop environment, but keep another desktop environment plus specified applications
[19:50] <vidd> jarnos, it would be useful to have a "xfce-to-cli-only =]
[19:56] <jarnos> vidd: Is there a metapackage that depends on basic cli-only packages?
[19:58] <privet_> where do I set the "open file with application" config for applications like thunderbird?
[19:58] <zoredache>  jarnos a cli system usually is just a system installed with the 'standard' task.  see 'tasksel --task-packages standard'
[20:00] <vidd> jarnos, so far as i know...just ubuntu-minimal and ubuntu-standard
[20:00] <vidd> but i dont know for sure if that is all of it
[20:01] <vidd> privet_, right-click the item and select "open with" .... if you click the "always use...." button, it makes it permanant
[20:03] <privet_> vidd: in like thunderbird, I select "open" and in die dropdown it gives me "abiword"
[20:03] <privet_> vidd: I would like to use openoffice rather..
[20:04] <privet_> where do I do that?
[20:04]  * privet_ stops asking stupid questions and selects "other"
[20:05] <privet_> thanks vidd...
[20:06] <vidd> privet_, hehe
[20:06] <vidd> privet_, there are never any "stupid" questions unless they are never asked
[20:08] <privet_> vidd: agreed, but failing to see "other"...
[20:08]  * privet_ just sits back and shakes his head
[20:10]  * vidd did not have the menu open...so his instructions were less the wholly accurate =]
[20:10] <L_Ryuzaki> hi
[20:10] <L_Ryuzaki> is there a way to get Itunes for xubuntu?
[20:10] <zoredache> L_Ryuzaki: what are you really needing?  syncing with an ipod, or a music player that works like itunes?
[20:11] <L_Ryuzaki> itunes itself for xubuntu
[20:11] <zoredache> itunes doesn't run on Linux, and last I checked it wouldn't work with wine
[20:12] <knome> L_Ryuzaki, you should try amarok.
[20:12] <L_Ryuzaki> eh great time to go find a copy of windows xp
[20:12] <L_Ryuzaki> well it's my sister is planning on buying me a itunes card but i don't have it and she doesn't know my windows xp has a virus
[20:12] <L_Ryuzaki> and it's like really heavily virused
[20:13] <TheSheep> L_Ryuzaki: what is your next question?
[20:13] <L_Ryuzaki> well don't really have any now
[20:13] <TheSheep> that's great
[20:13] <zoredache> tell her to get you an amazon card... the music is cheaper, it is mp3, and there is a downloader on Linux
[20:14] <L_Ryuzaki> whats it called? amarok?
[20:14] <knome> L_Ryuzaki, amarok is a music *player*
[20:14] <L_Ryuzaki> ah
[20:14] <L_Ryuzaki> well then im clueless
[20:14] <L_Ryuzaki> wwell what the program is caled
[20:14] <L_Ryuzaki> called*
[20:15] <knome> L_Ryuzaki, the program is called "amarok" and you can find it in synaptic by searching "amarok"
[20:15] <L_Ryuzaki> ah so how do i get music using the amazon card?
[20:15] <knome> L_Ryuzaki, it supports ipods etc. and many people have said it is much like itunes, but better.
[20:15] <L_Ryuzaki> and can i put it on my ipod
[20:15] <L_Ryuzaki> nvm on my last question
[20:16] <zoredache> gtkpod will let you write the ipod. amazon is a big store on the web, see amazon.com.  They have lots of gift certificate options.  Head to the music store section to get the music downloader
[20:16] <L_Ryuzaki> so i should ask for a amazon card and download amarok
[20:16] <L_Ryuzaki> alright thanky
[20:17] <L_Ryuzaki> and is there any way i can get xubuntu to work faster or is it stuck at the speed it's at until i get a new processor
[20:17] <zoredache> you can use any music player you like.  But I was just suggestion that amazon music store is far easier to work with from Linux
[20:17] <L_Ryuzaki> ah
[20:21] <L_Ryuzaki> so amazon.com lets me download music
[20:24] <L_Ryuzaki> correct
[20:26] <L_Ryuzaki> oh
[20:27] <L_Ryuzaki> how do i get a webcam program that will work with a logitech cam
[20:28] <privet_> L_Ryuzaki: my take on logitech webcams: every second batch comes with a different internal chipset...
[20:28] <privet_> some are supported and some are not... major hit-and-miss if you are lucky
[20:28] <knome> L_Ryuzaki, doesn't depend on program. you need to have working drivers.
[20:29] <L_Ryuzaki> well i don't have a program that will work with it, the one i got works with certain ones
[20:29] <L_Ryuzaki> i think the thing is called webcam or something along those lines
[20:29] <L_Ryuzaki> like on my xp it worked but on here it doesnt
[20:29] <knome> L_Ryuzaki, as i said, you need to have working drivers. program doesn't matter in linux.
[20:29] <L_Ryuzaki> ah
[20:30] <knome> L_Ryuzaki, we can help you better if you tell it's model
[20:30] <L_Ryuzaki> well what do i need to actully let me get it to work, or stilll just driver
[20:30] <L_Ryuzaki> i have no clue
[20:30] <L_Ryuzaki> i got it from my dad
[20:30] <L_Ryuzaki> i think he ditched the box
[20:30] <L_Ryuzaki> i would take a picture of it but can't
[20:30] <knome> driver is basically anything you need.
[20:30] <L_Ryuzaki> ah
[20:31] <knome> *everything*
[20:31] <L_Ryuzaki> well i can describe the web cam, it has a blue circle to edit the quality of the picture, has a logo above it for logitech then right above it has a button to take a picture
[20:31] <L_Ryuzaki> doubt that helped
[20:32] <knome> not really
[20:32] <L_Ryuzaki> yea figured
[20:32] <L_Ryuzaki> let me go try to find it on logitech.com
[20:32] <DetroitLibertyPe> vidd:how do I make thunar the default file viewer, or whatever, because when I click on downloaded files and such it just gives me some error of now program associated with this file type
[20:32] <knome> it's possible that your pc recognises it - when you plug it and run 'lsusb' on terminal, do you get any output which says "logitech" or anything related to the camera?
[20:42] <jarnos> vidd: Wouldn't command 'sudo apt-get autoremove x11-common' leave you with cli-only?
[20:43] <vidd> jarnos, if only
[20:44] <jarnos> vidd: What?
[20:44] <vidd> jarnos, it leaves little pieces here and there
[20:44] <vidd> mostly lib files
[20:45] <vidd> becuase the libs dont depend on x11-common....even though the apps that use those libs do
[20:45]  * vidd will need to get a cli-only install in a vm and then add xubuntu-desktop
[20:46] <vidd> jarnos, it really socks cuzz of the "install recommends = yes" crap they started with II
[20:47] <vidd> DetroitLibertyPe, what file format?
[20:48] <jarnos> vidd: But doesn't autoremove remove unneeded dependencies of the apps?
[20:48] <voox> how can I replace the volume manager with the one gnome uses?
[20:49] <L_Ryuzaki> sorry about that
[20:50] <L_Ryuzaki> i typed isusb and it sound not found
[20:50] <L_Ryuzaki> said*
[20:50] <knome> L_Ryuzaki, it's an L
[20:50] <L_Ryuzaki> ah
[20:51] <L_Ryuzaki> logitech quickcam express
[20:51] <privet_> L_Ryuzaki: lsusb  as in "el"
[20:51] <L_Ryuzaki> ah
[20:51] <L_Ryuzaki> or the first letter in my nick lol
[20:53] <jarnos> vidd: What apps do you mean?
[20:54] <L_Ryuzaki> so is there any way to get it to work on my comp or is it still just my driver
[21:03] <L_Ryuzaki> wb
[21:08] <vidd> jarnos, i will have to get a cli-only install and then apt-get the xubuntu-desktop
[21:15] <L_Ryuzaki> so anyone know how i can get the Logitech Quickcam Express to work? or is it still my drivers
[21:15] <L_Ryuzaki> and if it is my drivers how do i fix it?
[21:16] <vidd> L_Ryuzaki, did you install an app to view webcam?
[21:17] <jarnos> vidd: Can you give an example of a lib that remains after 'sudo apt-get autoremove x11-common'?
[21:19] <vidd> jarnos, not at the moment....i already got around it by just doing a cli-only install and adding what i wanted
[21:19] <L_Ryuzaki> i got something called webcam i believe
[21:20] <vidd> and what happens when you try to use it?
[21:20] <vidd> my logitech web cam just worked
[21:20] <L_Ryuzaki> well i don't actually get a app, i got it using the synaptic
[21:21] <vidd> o....k..... so what are you doing that makes you think your webcam ISNT working?
[21:22] <L_Ryuzaki> well when i press  the button to take a picture nothing happends
[21:22] <vidd> so far as i know...they work out-of-the-box....you just need to install an app to use them
[21:22] <L_Ryuzaki> and besides the terminal there is no other way to know if i have a webcam installed
[21:23] <vidd> what application do you have listening to the button call and where is it storing the pics?
[21:23] <vidd> L_Ryuzaki, when you type lsusb and it shows the webcam...its installed
[21:23] <vidd> you just need an app to control it
[21:26] <vidd> L_Ryuzaki, try the app "cheese"
[21:27] <vidd> !info cheese
[21:43] <L_Ryuzaki> hi i got a program to record videos called Kino and it doesn't do anything when i go to capture
[21:43] <L_Ryuzaki> i've tried hitting enter
[21:44] <vidd> !info cheese | L_Ryuzaki
[21:44] <L_Ryuzaki> alright thank you
[21:44] <L_Ryuzaki> and cool as hell script
[21:44] <L_Ryuzaki> brb
[21:58] <DetroitLibertyPe> vidd:I'm not realy sure what file format, I just want any file to default to opening the location using Thunar, like Windows Explorer does in XP
[22:00] <vidd> DetroitLibertyPe, sorry....im going home now....wont be back for about 2.5-3 hours
[22:00] <vidd> =[
[22:01] <floating> is there some desktop enhancements in xubuntu
[22:01] <floating> or in ubuntu
[22:01] <floating> tyopoytatehoste in finnish
[22:01] <knome> a-aaa!
[23:25]  * lifestream asks: Hey, I'm about to reinstall ubuntu so I thought I'd install Xubuntu instead o of Ubuntu. The only question of concern is: Do MOUSE  Previous Song/Next Song work on XUBUNTU?
[23:25] <lifestream> Without setting it up manually
[23:33] <naenae8765> ﻿ok im having some problems with this older laptop of mine its a dell latitude CPx. i just recently installed Xubuntu 8.10 on it. and everything was working great. Untill i installed all the security and recomended updates. after it sseems now everytime i start it up i have no Panels. (the long bars that go across the top and bottom of the screen) they have dissapeared. and this is a problem because i need them to access
[23:33] <knome> naenae8765, alt+f2 -> xfce4-panel
[23:33] <knome> naenae8765, when logging out next time, save session. the next time, uncheck the checkbox.
[23:34] <naenae8765> let me try that
[23:36] <naenae8765> ok uncheck what check box
[23:36] <naenae8765> cause that seems to got my panels back
[23:36] <naenae8765> but what check box u talking bout
[23:36] <knome> naenae8765, when logging out
[23:36] <lifestream> Any of you able to use mouse buttons in XFCE (next/previous song, etc) on xfce without manual setup
[23:36] <knome> naenae8765, there's an option to save the session
[23:37] <knome> naenae8765, you want to check that the next time you log out to get the panels running automatically.
[23:37] <knome> naenae8765, but after that, you might want to uncheck it.
[23:37] <naenae8765> ok im confused
[23:37] <naenae8765> this only happens when i decide to logg out
[23:37] <knome> naenae8765, or shut down.
[23:37] <naenae8765> ok i see the check box
[23:38] <naenae8765> dont u want me to check it
[23:38] <knome> naenae8765, yes, once at least
[23:38] <naenae8765> ok it is checked
[23:38] <naenae8765> so i am restarting
[23:38] <knome> naenae8765, log out is ok.
[23:38] <naenae8765> i will see if its still there when i logg back in
[23:38] <naenae8765> wont take long to restart
[23:38] <knome> naenae8765, whatever
[23:38] <naenae8765> ok and then from now on you want me to leave it unchecked unless i have this problem again right???
[23:38] <knome> lifestream, can't promise you that.
[23:39] <knome> naenae8765, well, if you want all your open apps when closing to be opened when you login, you can leave it checked
[23:40] <naenae8765> so basically it should be fixed then
[23:40] <knome> naenae8765, eg. if you have firefox running and you shut down, you will get a firefox window open when you log in the next time
[23:40] <knome> yes.
[23:40] <knome> it will be
[23:40] <naenae8765> ok question is why did it do this after the updates
[23:40] <naenae8765> why did this happen in the first place?
[23:40] <knome> i don't know and i suppose nobody knows.
[23:40] <knome> the panels disappear now and then for somebody.
[23:41] <naenae8765> ok so obviously you guys have run into this problem before????
[23:41] <knome> yes... few times a week
[23:41] <knome> at least
[23:41] <knome> or sth.
[23:41] <naenae8765> LOL
[23:41] <naenae8765> wow
[23:41] <naenae8765> damn if only i would have known how to fix this before
[23:42] <knome> it's quite known bug, unfortunately :(
[23:42] <naenae8765> ya
[23:42] <naenae8765> i think it only happens on low  end machines. it seems because they have trouble running the new properties that come along with the updates for the panels
[23:42] <naenae8765> cause i noticed a few things have changed on the panel from before
[23:42] <knome> not really.
[23:42] <knome> it can happen without any update or action
[23:42] <naenae8765> oh
[23:43] <naenae8765> strange
[23:43] <knome> definitely
[23:43] <naenae8765> only happens after updates for me
[23:43] <knome> ok, good to know
[23:43] <naenae8765> ya
[23:43] <naenae8765> u were very helpful
[23:43] <naenae8765> how often are u on?
[23:43] <knome> too often
[23:43] <naenae8765> koool
[23:43] <naenae8765> im going to add u to my friends
[23:44] <knome> there's a lot of other people
[23:44] <naenae8765> u know quite a bit bout linux dont you
[23:44] <knome> i have like 4 years exprience with linux desktops and a few more with servers
[23:44] <naenae8765> sweet
[23:44] <naenae8765> ya ur  my new best friend
[23:44] <knome> hehe
[23:45] <naenae8765> because every now and then i run into kinks
[23:45] <naenae8765> i love geeks
[23:45] <naenae8765> i am one
[23:45] <knome> there's a lot of us here
[23:45] <naenae8765> but its helpful when theres bigger ones than me
[23:45] <knome> sure
[23:45] <naenae8765> smart people love
[23:45] <naenae8765> it
[23:45] <naenae8765> i cant stand stupid peop-le
[23:45] <knome> there's even people who know more than me
[23:45] <naenae8765> right...theres always someone bigger
[23:46] <knome> and i do need a little bit help from them every now and then
[23:46] <naenae8765> ya me and u both
[23:46] <naenae8765> im using pidgin
[23:46] <naenae8765> let me see if i can add u
[23:46] <knome> once you get to know the linux basics (like how to build packages etc.) you're good on your way
[23:46] <knome> on IRC you can't have "friends" :)
[23:47] <naenae8765> ya i can
[23:47] <naenae8765> just added u
[23:47] <naenae8765> lol
[23:47] <knome> a-ha... i suppose it's just a link to private message