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Riddellhi aparedes00:01
aparedeshi Riddell00:01
aparedesi am going to update a wiki help page but is there something else i can do?00:03
Riddelldunno why people keep saying 3.5.10, strange joke I guess00:04
Riddellaparedes: lots of merges still to do00:04
Riddellhttp://merges.ubuntu.com/main.html00:05
Riddellhttp://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html00:05
Riddellaparedes: take something simple to start off I'd say, kshutdown there on the universe one for example00:06
Riddellnew upstream version, one ubuntu change00:06
Riddellwork out what the ubuntu change is, do we still need it, if so apply to to the new version that's in debian00:06
aparedesok ill do that00:07
aparedesthanks Riddell00:07
rgreeninghaha, was chatting with my Dad, he's 61, and just started using IM, he said "ttul" which I assume he meant "ttyl", but I am amazed he had picked up the IM'isms so quickly :P00:28
Riddelltalk to you later?00:30
vorian:)00:31
vorianRiddell: i won't say anything more about 3.5.1000:31
rgreeningYa...00:31
rgreeninghehe00:31
voriani saw it earler and about pee'd my pants00:31
* rgreening has done that before00:32
vorian:o00:33
voriani did alot when i was 3 and younger00:33
nixternalpinko commie!00:37
vorianyah man00:38
vorianalso00:38
voriani hate to inform you00:38
vorianbut my boss is not letting me go to CA00:39
voriani thought about quitting, but then00:39
vorianwell, the economy sucks00:39
vorian:P00:39
rgreeningthats too bad00:40
vorianyeah, i'm still pissed00:41
vorianmaybe nixternal will get his own room though00:41
rgreeningha. I'll crash it :)00:42
vorianhehe00:42
* rgreening has /dev/random_roomie00:44
nixternalvorian: really? that sucks dude01:07
voriannixternal: yep01:09
Riddellaww01:11
nixternal:(01:11
vorian:/01:11
nixternalnow I have to find a new roomy01:11
jjessewhat happend01:16
jjessevorian:  can01:16
jjessecant mak it?01:16
rgreeningnixternal: if you dont find a roomie, I volunteer, as it currently stands I'll probably be randomly paired :)01:19
vorianjjesse: yeah, boss said no way01:19
nixternalrgreening: roger that...I will pass it on01:19
jjessethats a bummer i took a week of vacation cause boss said that as well01:19
nixternalhope you don't mind me coming in at all hours of the night01:19
nixternalthe "Bag Of Assholes" will all be in San Fran, so I have some partying to make up for :)01:20
vorianyeah, well my boss is a dickhead01:20
vorianhe said yes way back when01:20
vorianthen changed his mind01:20
nixternalvorian: time to come work for me!01:20
vorianok!01:20
nixternalwhen I switch everything over to Ubuntu we will need more devs dude and I would hire ya01:20
vorianawesome01:21
nixternalI would say in the next 6 months more than likely01:21
rgreeningnixternal: Im a night owl01:21
nixternalrgreening: you at least 21?01:21
nixternalyou can come party with us!01:21
rgreeningtry 3701:21
nixternalold fart!01:21
rgreeningya01:21
voriannixternal: when the time comes, give me a poke01:21
nixternal3 years older than me :)01:21
rgreeningheh01:21
nixternalvorian: I will do that dude...for real too01:21
vorianawesome!01:21
voriannixternal: not to far either, i'm sure the wife would be down01:22
jjessethat why i ddidn twant him as my roomate :)01:22
vorianhaha01:22
rgreeninglol01:22
nixternaljjesse: you didn't want me?01:22
jjessejust kidding01:23
nixternaloh man, you are in for it in just a few weeks now dude01:23
rgreeningI'll hold him down so you can give him a wallop01:23
nixternalI think jjesse is actually bigger than me...he might be a tough cookie to keep down01:24
vorianhaha01:24
vorianthat would be worth a photo01:24
* rgreening is 6'7" and 280 lbs01:24
vorianholy01:24
nixternalare you kidding me?01:24
nixternaljesus dude01:25
vorianbasketball much?01:25
rgreeningHA!01:25
nixternalscrew basketball, football! american style!01:25
rgreeningno, no coordination.01:25
jjesseim not big 5 11 18001:25
Hobbseenixternal: yes, hire some ubuntu people.  That'd be fun.01:25
rgreeningAll my skillz is tied to the computer, film and photography.01:25
vorianHobbsee: are you saying i'd be a bad hire? >.<01:26
nixternaljjesse: why did I think you had size on me then?01:26
nixternalmust have been that pizza :)01:26
rgreeningheh01:26
vorian:o01:26
Hobbseevorian: um, no?01:26
jjesse-no clue im a little guy01:26
voriangood good01:27
jjessemust habe benn01:28
* rgreening thinks there was beer in/with the pizza based on that last statement ^01:29
nixternalI don't think we had a beer01:30
jjesseno we couldnt cause i expensed it01:30
nixternalthat's right01:30
nixternalhrmm, stupid konsole has a menu bar bug I see01:31
HobbseeScottK: nice post, but s/fix/fixed/02:07
NCommanderhola02:28
NCommanderhey nixternal02:28
nixternalyo yo02:28
NCommanderHobbsee, can you do promotions?02:28
NCommandernixternal, what's up?02:28
nixternalworking like always :/02:28
NCommandernixternal, you should relax and watch the bulls game or something02:29
nixternalthe bulls game? heck no :)02:29
nixternalwaiting for the cubs season to start back up02:29
* NCommander watched them get slaughtered in Boston02:29
HobbseeNCommander: errr...only on NEW packages, i believe.02:29
nixternalya, I quit watching the bulls when jordan, pippen, and such left02:29
NCommanderHobbsee, I need a promotion in a pocket unfortantely. If something is uploaded to proposed, and when it gets stuck in unaccepted, can you promote it to main?02:30
HobbseeNCommander: i'm not sure, on multiple levels.02:31
Hobbseetechnically, i probably can do so.  Not sure on the protocol of doing so though02:31
Hobbseea mail to ubuntu-archive@ would probably be useful02:31
Hobbsee(and there's no guarentee that those overrides even work, and i'm not really happpy at the prospect fo trying that on a released version of ubuntu :-/02:31
Hobbsee)02:31
NCommanderHobbsee, we've tried it02:31
Hobbseeand?02:32
* NCommander cornered bigjools and we tested it in a pocket02:32
NCommanderthe archive did not self-destruct <g>02:32
Hobbseeoh, right02:32
ScottKHobbsee: The one about be nice to developers?03:31
HobbseeScottK: yes03:31
ScottKThanks.  I'll take a look.03:31
ScottKNCommander: I'd have thought you'd have just done a pocket copy and not uploaded a new one.03:32
ScottKHobbsee: Fixed.03:36
ScottKNCommander: My suggestion for process on the promotion is do a MIR like you normally would, subscribe ubuntu-mir to the bug and see what happens.03:36
* seele oggles rgreening 03:36
seelesix feet seven inches!?03:36
HobbseeScottK: :)03:39
rgreening:)03:40
rgreeninglook up.. look way up!03:41
seelergreening: i'm 5'1" so it is a ways up03:58
* Hobbsee waves to seele03:59
* rgreening offers seele a stool to stand on so we can see eye to eye04:01
seelehehe04:02
* seele waves to Hobbsee 04:02
* Hobbsee chops rgreening off at the knees, so he's a more reasonable height.04:03
rgreeningheh, I've heard that quite a bit :)  I almost believe it would have been worth it (cheaper to buy clothes for short people)04:06
glade88After yesterday's update, I have this error for amarok-nightly -- http://paste.ubuntu.com/7169406:29
NCommanderanyone have any ideas what's causing libplasma and friends to be so unhappy?06:35
jussi01hrm, got a small konqui issue, anyone else experiencing it? http://imagebin.ca/view/YBvHmBx5.html09:40
Riddelljussi01: it's gone black?10:05
RiddellHobbsee: fancy rescoring opengtl a bit?10:12
Riddellit's needed for koffice2 and I'd like to get the backport moving too10:13
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HobbseeRiddell: where?11:13
RiddellHobbsee: jaunty i386 amd6411:16
Riddellooh, amd64 is building11:16
smarterhttps://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/language-pack-kde-de/+bug/203349/comments/3111:16
HobbseeRiddell: ah, right.  Yes, I rexcored it right after going "where"11:16
Riddellooh i386 says 1 minute to build11:16
ubottuLaunchpad bug 203349 in language-pack-kde-sv "Broken plural forms in KDE" [Medium,In progress]11:16
smarter"This task got lost somehow"11:16
Riddellthanks Hobbsee11:16
Hobbseefigured it was probably jaunty11:17
HobbseeRiddell: y/w11:17
smarterwhy does it sounds like "We don't care about Kubuntu"? :/11:17
Riddellsmarter: the change from kde 3 to 4 is pretty big for them, unfortunately they seem to have totally underestimated what needed doing11:19
smarterprobably11:19
smarterbut this is a kde3 l10n bug11:19
Hobbseesmarter: you're a few weeks late...11:19
smarterHobbsee: this message is from today11:20
Hobbseesmarter: the issue was discussed a few weeks ago, before release day, too.11:20
smarteryup11:20
Riddellthere have been lots of issues11:20
smarterbut this is not the same issue11:20
smarteryes :)11:21
Riddelleach of which takes $longtime to resolve11:21
smarteradn apparently that one was fixed since June in LP11:21
smarterand nobody bothered to reimporte the .po or something11:21
smarterit's frustrating11:21
Riddellarg, opengtl was the wrong version uploaded11:24
Hobbseeoh dear11:24
supertonesanyone used the new nvidia driver?11:37
supertoneslooks like it could fix a firefox issue, but nothing really big looks changed the driver is 177.8211:38
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Riddellapachelogger: was a meeting time decided?12:25
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NightroseRiddell: tuesday evening afaic - hewanted to send an email to the list12:46
Nightroses/c/k12:46
apacheloggersalut mes amis!14:18
apacheloggerRiddell: tue 20 UTC14:19
* apachelogger does a fridge query14:19
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: I am going to push the new hooker in a bit14:19
JontheEchidnanice14:20
apacheloggeralso I am going to creat batlib to improve scalability of allmighty magicscripts14:20
Nightroseapachelogger is pushing hookers?14:20
NightroseoO14:20
Riddellapachelogger is a pimp?14:20
apachelogger~facts about apachelogger14:20
kubotu[5/13] apachelogger has a batman pyjama. [6/13] "...and apachelogger hates workarounds". [7/13] apachelogger loves to pimp his hookers14:20
Nightrose;-)14:20
apacheloggerNightrose: did you get a chance to test the new amarok-nightly stack?14:20
Nightroseapachelogger: no since it doesn't install - one package is still to old14:20
* apachelogger needs to rebuild qt soon because of some patch required for kmail14:20
Nightroselet me see which one14:21
apacheloggerhttp://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/173414:22
Nightroseapachelogger: amarok-nightly-kdelibs-dbg: Depends: amarok-nightly-kdelibs (= 20081113.7+svn883739-0neon1) but 20081102.7+svn879039-0neon1 is installe14:22
Nightrosebrb - food14:22
apacheloggerNightrose: can we tattoo the kubuntu gears on one of yer cheeks?14:22
Nightrose*lol* um14:23
Nightrosenope14:23
apacheloggerNightrose: remove the dbg package14:23
Nightrosemaybe my tight14:23
apacheloggermeh!!!14:23
Nightrose;-)14:23
Arbyapachelogger: is that a definite now for meeting on Tuesday?14:23
apacheloggerI want a dragon on my back14:23
apacheloggerthat has something hannibalish14:24
apacheloggerand konqui-ish14:24
Nightrosenot sure what fregl whould think about it but meh14:24
apacheloggerArby: yus14:24
Nightrose;-)14:24
* Arby feels the first flicker of nerves :)14:24
apacheloggerso, why do I have more query buffers than channel buffers? right. because everyone queries me for all sorts of unimportant stuff14:25
smarterquery channels make you feel like you're important :p14:26
apacheloggerthe clock on my desk @ work, that reminds on eating and drinking every once in a while, indicates that pretty well already :P14:27
apacheloggerhm14:27
apacheloggeridea!14:27
apacheloggernext one who queries me for unimportant stuff will have to get a kubuntu tattoo14:28
apacheloggeror I will blast him out of this universe using my incredible open invaders skills14:28
RiddellNCommander: fancy looking at a couple of linker foo issues?14:32
RiddellNCommander: adept in intrepid-proposed won't compile and it seems to be an issue with the kde4libs in intrepid-proposed which get a patch in what looks to me like an unrelated area14:33
RiddellNCommander: secondly opengtl hasn't compiled on amd64 but has on i386, something to do with -fPIC in llvm14:34
RiddellNCommander: well, just if you were feeling at a lose end :)14:34
apacheloggerah14:44
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apacheloggerRiddell: I can't reach the fridge calendar, so I have no clue if #ubuntu-meeting is available on tue 20UTC15:08
Riddellbroken here too15:09
Riddellapachelogger: toss a coin, we can move it easily enough15:10
vorianwhat day?15:10
apacheloggervorian: tuesday15:10
vorian:(15:11
glade88apachelogger: has there been a problem with kde-nightly-kdebase and amarok-nightly-kdelibs?15:25
vorianapachelogger is away afaik15:26
glade88vorian: oh.. ok, ty :)15:27
meson10Riddell: ping ?15:53
Riddellhi meson1015:54
meson10Riddell: Hi. as a quick intro.. i am a KDe developer from India.15:55
RiddellNamaste15:55
meson10Riddell: i would just need a few pointers .15:55
meson10Riddell: :-)15:55
meson10namaste to you too :)15:55
meson10Riddell: I have been working on this little application... to make KDE more reachable to naive users15:56
meson10Riddell: one sec i will provide u the url15:56
meson10Riddell: http://workouts.foss.in/2008/index.php/Starting_KDE_closer_to_the_User15:56
meson10Riddell: i just need to know... who are the guys who handle user accessibility ...15:57
Riddelldo you mean usability?15:58
RiddellI have to say I'm not a fan of startup tips, we tend to get rid of them in Kubuntu15:59
meson10Riddell: its not just a startup tip... its not for _us_15:59
meson10a lot many people... did actualy point me sucha  thing lacking.15:59
meson10like the other users who tried using gnome at first16:00
meson10kde*16:00
RiddellI don't think gnome has any startup thing16:00
meson10yeap... it doesnt16:00
Riddellsounds like this needs mockups16:00
meson10a demo app u mean ?16:00
rgreeningIMO, A first time startup option to do a overview would be nice. A mini tutorial and a getting to know the system. Something the user can close/ignore or run at a later time.16:01
meson10rgreening: Riddell ... yes precisely that16:01
meson10i am almost done with the rendered.. app core.16:01
meson10u just add ur tabs .. those u like to be doisplayed.. as widgets... and place them ina plugins dir16:02
meson10displayed*16:02
meson10i apologise for the spelling mistakes.16:02
rgreeningnp16:03
meson10... and yes... i did keep in mind that option of "Don't show this window, next time i Log In"16:03
meson10rgreening: i have taken care of that as well.16:03
rgreening:)16:03
meson10All that is left to do... is Shuff "Needed" data to the application.16:03
meson10which is not just a task... a big one.16:04
meson10but it would be nice to consult other people already working in this.16:04
rgreeningRiddell, would seele be the one to consul on this?16:04
apacheloggermeson10: lego-like tabs for the distribution or the user?16:04
RiddellI don't know what's being asked16:04
rgreeningI think it's a usability sort of...16:05
meson10Riddell: i am asking... 1. will this application be useful.? 2. The Usability guys i can ping16:06
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apacheloggermeson10: seele would be the usability gal to ping, she isn't too much online these days though16:07
Riddellmeson10: as I say I'm not a bit fan of startup tips/wizards/splashes etc but hard to say if it would be useful until seeing more of what it is16:08
Riddellmeson10: kde-usability list would be a good place16:08
* apachelogger agrees16:08
meson10Riddell: apachelogger alright... thanks :-)16:08
apacheloggerRiddell: I think a first start guide thingy makes sense for new users16:08
meson10i will get the application going... and ping you guys back... after i am done with a semi-presentable content16:08
Riddellapachelogger: so long as it doesn't get in the way for old users :)16:09
meson10apachelogger: precisely thats what i am targetting.16:09
meson10Riddell: you can always set it to "Don't show...... "... the very first time it shows16:09
RiddellI'd rather have people set it to "show" first time they want it :)16:10
apacheloggeraye16:10
Riddellbut could be an icon on the desktop, the about-kubuntu does lack something16:10
rgreeninglol. Yeah, that me be a good idea.16:10
rgreenings/me/may16:11
apacheloggerthat would also solve the issue that we don't have an icons on the desktop by default16:11
ScottKWhy is that an issue?16:11
Riddellthat's a feature16:13
jjessei love no icons on the desktop16:13
Riddellwe do have plasmoids on the desktop now though, it could be a plasmoid16:13
jjessei don't keep any icons on any ddesktop i have16:13
jjessein fact i don't use plasmoids either, i rarely even look at my desktop16:13
rgreeningI think the idea is to have in the folderview which by default points the ~/Desktop, no?16:14
apacheloggerRiddell, ScottK: it makes people wonder what thing on their desktop is16:14
jjessethe only plasmoid i have is the applicatoin launcher/taskbar16:14
rgreeningdefault instal has Sticky Notes and Folderview16:15
meson10so do most developers... new users... tend to get stuck with so many things :)16:15
meson10its should work to being a good thing that KDE gives u a lot... not drive users away out of utter confusion16:16
jussi01Riddell: in answer to your "its gone black" no, the address input line/other tollbars are screwed.16:30
Riddellmm, yes, nasty, not seen that before jussi0116:31
jussi01Riddell: Im using backports and proposed, so might be something in there...16:32
hungerHa! Jaunty here I come... :-)16:47
Riddelljussi01: unlikely16:49
Riddellhunger: erk!16:49
jussi01Riddell: ok, well Ill have a play round, but It would be nice to get it fixed...16:50
Riddelljussi01: move ~/.kde/share/config/konquerorrc out the way may help16:51
jussi01Riddell: nope, no luck. bit weird.16:53
NCommanderRiddell, sure, which one takes priority?17:53
rgreeningAnyone use IDLE or similar IDE to probram in Python? I can load python modules to view the base clases, etc. Is this possible for the kindings for KDE4 as well? Or do I simply have ot go to the KDE Techbase page or something?17:54
NCommanderRiddell, we need to fix the libplasma dependency issue17:54
NCommanderRiddell, yeah, that's nasty w.r.t. to adept17:56
mornfallAnyone knows if ntfs and sataraid works on intrepid out of the box? (Well I guess I'll see in a few minutes when I boot it, but I'm wondering it'd still help to know if it's supposed to...).17:57
RiddellNCommander: probably the adept issue but any help appreciated18:01
Riddellmornfall: no idea I'm afraid18:01
NCommanderI think I see the adept issue18:01
Riddellrgreening: I don't use Idle but there's python api docs on api.kde.org18:02
Riddellmornfall: #ubuntu-kernel would be a better place to ask18:04
rgreeningty Riddell.18:07
mornfallRiddell: Well, I'm burning the ISO right now.18:09
mornfallWe'll see what happens. : - )18:09
NCommander-- Phonon library NOT found!18:09
NCommanderKDE in general fairly broken, isn't it :-/18:09
RiddellNCommander: where's that?18:10
NCommandertrying to build adept on jaunty18:11
Riddellit built fine on jaunty, it's intrepid-proposed that broke18:11
NCommanderRiddell, not here it didn't.18:22
NCommanderbrb, upgrading router18:22
Riddellguess his router upgrade failed :(18:35
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mornfallWoo. I have crashed ubiquity.19:41
Riddellmornfall: ubiquity doesn't crash!19:59
JontheEchidnalol19:59
jjessehe said it so proudly20:01
* Riddell does the kde 4.2 dance http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/kde42.png21:23
Tm_TRiddell: trunk?21:24
Riddellsnapshot from two days ago21:24
Tm_Tah, old then (;)21:24
JontheEchidnayeah, they already changed the theme and everything21:25
smarterkde 4.2 dance?21:25
smarterit's like the Qt4 dance excepts it involves cashews? :P21:25
* JontheEchidna never got the Qt4 dance mp321:26
smarterit's probably on youtube21:26
JontheEchidnaooh, neon got updated21:28
JontheEchidnatoo bad it just missed kde rev 88439421:28
ubottuhttp://websvn.kde.org/trunk/?rev=884394&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -r 88439421:28
Riddellyou've got to have that bling21:30
* seele would really like to see system settings improved for 4.321:39
JontheEchidnaat least they renamed Nepomuk in systemsettings to desktop search for KDE 4.221:40
JontheEchidna;-)21:40
Riddellseele: in which way?21:44
JontheEchidnaspeaking of systemsettings.... http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17198521:54
* JontheEchidna rejoices21:54
ubottuKDE bug 171985 in kcmaudiocd "Several sections in systemsettings have unneeded scrollbars" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]21:54
seeleRiddell: the UI itself needs to be cleaned up.  we discussed reorg and redesign at prague but didnt find anyone to fix it21:55
seeleRiddell: some of the modules for 4.2 have been "rennovated" but not redesigned for the better.  in some cases i saw a developer pulled out what was in multiple group boxes and simply created additional tabs21:56
seeleRiddell: there are also missing utilities which need to be converted in to modules so everything is in one place21:56
MadsRHHi. Anyone here from the art-team?22:55
Tm_Twhy asking?22:56
Riddellhi MadsRH, kwwii is but he seems to be away23:00
MadsRHI was working on the count-down banners for 8.10 and would like to discuss colabrotion between all the Ubuntu derivatives (sorry for the slow reply)23:02
Riddellapachelogger did our lovely ones for 8.1023:03
Riddellscripted svg cleverness23:03
MadsRHokay, thanks23:04

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