[00:01] <Riddell> hi aparedes
[00:01] <aparedes> hi Riddell
[00:03] <aparedes> i am going to update a wiki help page but is there something else i can do?
[00:04] <Riddell> dunno why people keep saying 3.5.10, strange joke I guess
[00:04] <Riddell> aparedes: lots of merges still to do
[00:05] <Riddell> http://merges.ubuntu.com/main.html
[00:05] <Riddell> http://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html
[00:06] <Riddell> aparedes: take something simple to start off I'd say, kshutdown there on the universe one for example
[00:06] <Riddell> new upstream version, one ubuntu change
[00:06] <Riddell> work out what the ubuntu change is, do we still need it, if so apply to to the new version that's in debian
[00:07] <aparedes> ok ill do that
[00:07] <aparedes> thanks Riddell
[00:28] <rgreening> haha, was chatting with my Dad, he's 61, and just started using IM, he said "ttul" which I assume he meant "ttyl", but I am amazed he had picked up the IM'isms so quickly :P
[00:30] <Riddell> talk to you later?
[00:31] <vorian> :)
[00:31] <vorian> Riddell: i won't say anything more about 3.5.10
[00:31] <rgreening> Ya...
[00:31] <rgreening> hehe
[00:31] <vorian> i saw it earler and about pee'd my pants
[00:32]  * rgreening has done that before
[00:33] <vorian> :o
[00:33] <vorian> i did alot when i was 3 and younger
[00:37] <nixternal> pinko commie!
[00:38] <vorian> yah man
[00:38] <vorian> also
[00:38] <vorian> i hate to inform you
[00:39] <vorian> but my boss is not letting me go to CA
[00:39] <vorian> i thought about quitting, but then
[00:39] <vorian> well, the economy sucks
[00:39] <vorian> :P
[00:40] <rgreening> thats too bad
[00:41] <vorian> yeah, i'm still pissed
[00:41] <vorian> maybe nixternal will get his own room though
[00:42] <rgreening> ha. I'll crash it :)
[00:42] <vorian> hehe
[00:44]  * rgreening has /dev/random_roomie
[01:07] <nixternal> vorian: really? that sucks dude
[01:09] <vorian> nixternal: yep
[01:11] <Riddell> aww
[01:11] <nixternal> :(
[01:11] <vorian> :/
[01:11] <nixternal> now I have to find a new roomy
[01:16] <jjesse> what happend
[01:16] <jjesse> vorian:  can
[01:16] <jjesse> cant mak it?
[01:19] <rgreening> nixternal: if you dont find a roomie, I volunteer, as it currently stands I'll probably be randomly paired :)
[01:19] <vorian> jjesse: yeah, boss said no way
[01:19] <nixternal> rgreening: roger that...I will pass it on
[01:19] <jjesse> thats a bummer i took a week of vacation cause boss said that as well
[01:19] <nixternal> hope you don't mind me coming in at all hours of the night
[01:20] <nixternal> the "Bag Of Assholes" will all be in San Fran, so I have some partying to make up for :)
[01:20] <vorian> yeah, well my boss is a dickhead
[01:20] <vorian> he said yes way back when
[01:20] <vorian> then changed his mind
[01:20] <nixternal> vorian: time to come work for me!
[01:20] <vorian> ok!
[01:20] <nixternal> when I switch everything over to Ubuntu we will need more devs dude and I would hire ya
[01:21] <vorian> awesome
[01:21] <nixternal> I would say in the next 6 months more than likely
[01:21] <rgreening> nixternal: Im a night owl
[01:21] <nixternal> rgreening: you at least 21?
[01:21] <nixternal> you can come party with us!
[01:21] <rgreening> try 37
[01:21] <nixternal> old fart!
[01:21] <rgreening> ya
[01:21] <vorian> nixternal: when the time comes, give me a poke
[01:21] <nixternal> 3 years older than me :)
[01:21] <rgreening> heh
[01:21] <nixternal> vorian: I will do that dude...for real too
[01:21] <vorian> awesome!
[01:22] <vorian> nixternal: not to far either, i'm sure the wife would be down
[01:22] <jjesse> that why i ddidn twant him as my roomate :)
[01:22] <vorian> haha
[01:22] <rgreening> lol
[01:22] <nixternal> jjesse: you didn't want me?
[01:23] <jjesse> just kidding
[01:23] <nixternal> oh man, you are in for it in just a few weeks now dude
[01:23] <rgreening> I'll hold him down so you can give him a wallop
[01:24] <nixternal> I think jjesse is actually bigger than me...he might be a tough cookie to keep down
[01:24] <vorian> haha
[01:24] <vorian> that would be worth a photo
[01:24]  * rgreening is 6'7" and 280 lbs
[01:24] <vorian> holy
[01:24] <nixternal> are you kidding me?
[01:25] <nixternal> jesus dude
[01:25] <vorian> basketball much?
[01:25] <rgreening> HA!
[01:25] <nixternal> screw basketball, football! american style!
[01:25] <rgreening> no, no coordination.
[01:25] <jjesse> im not big 5 11 180
[01:25] <Hobbsee> nixternal: yes, hire some ubuntu people.  That'd be fun.
[01:25] <rgreening> All my skillz is tied to the computer, film and photography.
[01:26] <vorian> Hobbsee: are you saying i'd be a bad hire? >.<
[01:26] <nixternal> jjesse: why did I think you had size on me then?
[01:26] <nixternal> must have been that pizza :)
[01:26] <rgreening> heh
[01:26] <vorian> :o
[01:26] <Hobbsee> vorian: um, no?
[01:26] <jjesse> -no clue im a little guy
[01:27] <vorian> good good
[01:28] <jjesse> must habe benn
[01:29]  * rgreening thinks there was beer in/with the pizza based on that last statement ^
[01:30] <nixternal> I don't think we had a beer
[01:30] <jjesse> no we couldnt cause i expensed it
[01:30] <nixternal> that's right
[01:31] <nixternal> hrmm, stupid konsole has a menu bar bug I see
[02:07] <Hobbsee> ScottK: nice post, but s/fix/fixed/
[02:28] <NCommander> hola
[02:28] <NCommander> hey nixternal
[02:28] <nixternal> yo yo
[02:28] <NCommander> Hobbsee, can you do promotions?
[02:28] <NCommander> nixternal, what's up?
[02:28] <nixternal> working like always :/
[02:29] <NCommander> nixternal, you should relax and watch the bulls game or something
[02:29] <nixternal> the bulls game? heck no :)
[02:29] <nixternal> waiting for the cubs season to start back up
[02:29]  * NCommander watched them get slaughtered in Boston
[02:29] <Hobbsee> NCommander: errr...only on NEW packages, i believe.
[02:29] <nixternal> ya, I quit watching the bulls when jordan, pippen, and such left
[02:30] <NCommander> Hobbsee, I need a promotion in a pocket unfortantely. If something is uploaded to proposed, and when it gets stuck in unaccepted, can you promote it to main?
[02:31] <Hobbsee> NCommander: i'm not sure, on multiple levels.
[02:31] <Hobbsee> technically, i probably can do so.  Not sure on the protocol of doing so though
[02:31] <Hobbsee> a mail to ubuntu-archive@ would probably be useful
[02:31] <Hobbsee> (and there's no guarentee that those overrides even work, and i'm not really happpy at the prospect fo trying that on a released version of ubuntu :-/
[02:31] <Hobbsee> )
[02:31] <NCommander> Hobbsee, we've tried it
[02:32] <Hobbsee> and?
[02:32]  * NCommander cornered bigjools and we tested it in a pocket
[02:32] <NCommander> the archive did not self-destruct <g>
[02:32] <Hobbsee> oh, right
[03:31] <ScottK> Hobbsee: The one about be nice to developers?
[03:31] <Hobbsee> ScottK: yes
[03:31] <ScottK> Thanks.  I'll take a look.
[03:32] <ScottK> NCommander: I'd have thought you'd have just done a pocket copy and not uploaded a new one.
[03:36] <ScottK> Hobbsee: Fixed.
[03:36] <ScottK> NCommander: My suggestion for process on the promotion is do a MIR like you normally would, subscribe ubuntu-mir to the bug and see what happens.
[03:36]  * seele oggles rgreening 
[03:36] <seele> six feet seven inches!?
[03:39] <Hobbsee> ScottK: :)
[03:40] <rgreening> :)
[03:41] <rgreening> look up.. look way up!
[03:58] <seele> rgreening: i'm 5'1" so it is a ways up
[03:59]  * Hobbsee waves to seele
[04:01]  * rgreening offers seele a stool to stand on so we can see eye to eye
[04:02] <seele> hehe
[04:02]  * seele waves to Hobbsee 
[04:03]  * Hobbsee chops rgreening off at the knees, so he's a more reasonable height.
[04:06] <rgreening> heh, I've heard that quite a bit :)  I almost believe it would have been worth it (cheaper to buy clothes for short people)
[06:29] <glade88> After yesterday's update, I have this error for amarok-nightly -- http://paste.ubuntu.com/71694
[06:35] <NCommander> anyone have any ideas what's causing libplasma and friends to be so unhappy?
[09:40] <jussi01> hrm, got a small konqui issue, anyone else experiencing it? http://imagebin.ca/view/YBvHmBx5.html
[10:05] <Riddell> jussi01: it's gone black?
[10:12] <Riddell> Hobbsee: fancy rescoring opengtl a bit?
[10:13] <Riddell> it's needed for koffice2 and I'd like to get the backport moving too
[11:13] <Hobbsee> Riddell: where?
[11:16] <Riddell> Hobbsee: jaunty i386 amd64
[11:16] <Riddell> ooh, amd64 is building
[11:16] <smarter> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/language-pack-kde-de/+bug/203349/comments/31
[11:16] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ah, right.  Yes, I rexcored it right after going "where"
[11:16] <Riddell> ooh i386 says 1 minute to build
[11:16] <smarter> "This task got lost somehow"
[11:16] <Riddell> thanks Hobbsee
[11:17] <Hobbsee> figured it was probably jaunty
[11:17] <Hobbsee> Riddell: y/w
[11:17] <smarter> why does it sounds like "We don't care about Kubuntu"? :/
[11:19] <Riddell> smarter: the change from kde 3 to 4 is pretty big for them, unfortunately they seem to have totally underestimated what needed doing
[11:19] <smarter> probably
[11:19] <smarter> but this is a kde3 l10n bug
[11:19] <Hobbsee> smarter: you're a few weeks late...
[11:20] <smarter> Hobbsee: this message is from today
[11:20] <Hobbsee> smarter: the issue was discussed a few weeks ago, before release day, too.
[11:20] <smarter> yup
[11:20] <Riddell> there have been lots of issues
[11:20] <smarter> but this is not the same issue
[11:21] <smarter> yes :)
[11:21] <Riddell> each of which takes $longtime to resolve
[11:21] <smarter> adn apparently that one was fixed since June in LP
[11:21] <smarter> and nobody bothered to reimporte the .po or something
[11:21] <smarter> it's frustrating
[11:24] <Riddell> arg, opengtl was the wrong version uploaded
[11:24] <Hobbsee> oh dear
[11:37] <supertones> anyone used the new nvidia driver?
[11:38] <supertones> looks like it could fix a firefox issue, but nothing really big looks changed the driver is 177.82
[12:25] <Riddell> apachelogger: was a meeting time decided?
[12:46] <Nightrose> Riddell: tuesday evening afaic - hewanted to send an email to the list
[12:46] <Nightrose> s/c/k
[14:18] <apachelogger> salut mes amis!
[14:19] <apachelogger> Riddell: tue 20 UTC
[14:19]  * apachelogger does a fridge query
[14:19] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I am going to push the new hooker in a bit
[14:20] <JontheEchidna> nice
[14:20] <apachelogger> also I am going to creat batlib to improve scalability of allmighty magicscripts
[14:20] <Nightrose> apachelogger is pushing hookers?
[14:20] <Nightrose> oO
[14:20] <Riddell> apachelogger is a pimp?
[14:20] <apachelogger> ~facts about apachelogger
[14:20] <kubotu> [5/13] apachelogger has a batman pyjama. [6/13] "...and apachelogger hates workarounds". [7/13] apachelogger loves to pimp his hookers
[14:20] <Nightrose> ;-)
[14:20] <apachelogger> Nightrose: did you get a chance to test the new amarok-nightly stack?
[14:20] <Nightrose> apachelogger: no since it doesn't install - one package is still to old
[14:20]  * apachelogger needs to rebuild qt soon because of some patch required for kmail
[14:21] <Nightrose> let me see which one
[14:22] <apachelogger> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/1734
[14:22] <Nightrose> apachelogger: amarok-nightly-kdelibs-dbg: Depends: amarok-nightly-kdelibs (= 20081113.7+svn883739-0neon1) but 20081102.7+svn879039-0neon1 is installe
[14:22] <Nightrose> brb - food
[14:22] <apachelogger> Nightrose: can we tattoo the kubuntu gears on one of yer cheeks?
[14:23] <Nightrose> *lol* um
[14:23] <Nightrose> nope
[14:23] <apachelogger> Nightrose: remove the dbg package
[14:23] <Nightrose> maybe my tight
[14:23] <apachelogger> meh!!!
[14:23] <Nightrose> ;-)
[14:23] <Arby> apachelogger: is that a definite now for meeting on Tuesday?
[14:23] <apachelogger> I want a dragon on my back
[14:24] <apachelogger> that has something hannibalish
[14:24] <apachelogger> and konqui-ish
[14:24] <Nightrose> not sure what fregl whould think about it but meh
[14:24] <apachelogger> Arby: yus
[14:24] <Nightrose> ;-)
[14:24]  * Arby feels the first flicker of nerves :)
[14:25] <apachelogger> so, why do I have more query buffers than channel buffers? right. because everyone queries me for all sorts of unimportant stuff
[14:26] <smarter> query channels make you feel like you're important :p
[14:27] <apachelogger> the clock on my desk @ work, that reminds on eating and drinking every once in a while, indicates that pretty well already :P
[14:27] <apachelogger> hm
[14:27] <apachelogger> idea!
[14:28] <apachelogger> next one who queries me for unimportant stuff will have to get a kubuntu tattoo
[14:28] <apachelogger> or I will blast him out of this universe using my incredible open invaders skills
[14:32] <Riddell> NCommander: fancy looking at a couple of linker foo issues?
[14:33] <Riddell> NCommander: adept in intrepid-proposed won't compile and it seems to be an issue with the kde4libs in intrepid-proposed which get a patch in what looks to me like an unrelated area
[14:34] <Riddell> NCommander: secondly opengtl hasn't compiled on amd64 but has on i386, something to do with -fPIC in llvm
[14:34] <Riddell> NCommander: well, just if you were feeling at a lose end :)
[14:44] <apachelogger> ah
[15:08] <apachelogger> Riddell: I can't reach the fridge calendar, so I have no clue if #ubuntu-meeting is available on tue 20UTC
[15:09] <Riddell> broken here too
[15:10] <Riddell> apachelogger: toss a coin, we can move it easily enough
[15:10] <vorian> what day?
[15:10] <apachelogger> vorian: tuesday
[15:11] <vorian> :(
[15:25] <glade88> apachelogger: has there been a problem with kde-nightly-kdebase and amarok-nightly-kdelibs?
[15:26] <vorian> apachelogger is away afaik
[15:27] <glade88> vorian: oh.. ok, ty :)
[15:53] <meson10> Riddell: ping ?
[15:54] <Riddell> hi meson10
[15:55] <meson10> Riddell: Hi. as a quick intro.. i am a KDe developer from India.
[15:55] <Riddell> Namaste
[15:55] <meson10> Riddell: i would just need a few pointers .
[15:55] <meson10> Riddell: :-)
[15:55] <meson10> namaste to you too :)
[15:56] <meson10> Riddell: I have been working on this little application... to make KDE more reachable to naive users
[15:56] <meson10> Riddell: one sec i will provide u the url
[15:56] <meson10> Riddell: http://workouts.foss.in/2008/index.php/Starting_KDE_closer_to_the_User
[15:57] <meson10> Riddell: i just need to know... who are the guys who handle user accessibility ...
[15:58] <Riddell> do you mean usability?
[15:59] <Riddell> I have to say I'm not a fan of startup tips, we tend to get rid of them in Kubuntu
[15:59] <meson10> Riddell: its not just a startup tip... its not for _us_
[15:59] <meson10> a lot many people... did actualy point me sucha  thing lacking.
[16:00] <meson10> like the other users who tried using gnome at first
[16:00] <meson10> kde*
[16:00] <Riddell> I don't think gnome has any startup thing
[16:00] <meson10> yeap... it doesnt
[16:00] <Riddell> sounds like this needs mockups
[16:00] <meson10> a demo app u mean ?
[16:01] <rgreening> IMO, A first time startup option to do a overview would be nice. A mini tutorial and a getting to know the system. Something the user can close/ignore or run at a later time.
[16:01] <meson10> rgreening: Riddell ... yes precisely that
[16:01] <meson10> i am almost done with the rendered.. app core.
[16:02] <meson10> u just add ur tabs .. those u like to be doisplayed.. as widgets... and place them ina plugins dir
[16:02] <meson10> displayed*
[16:02] <meson10> i apologise for the spelling mistakes.
[16:03] <rgreening> np
[16:03] <meson10> ... and yes... i did keep in mind that option of "Don't show this window, next time i Log In"
[16:03] <meson10> rgreening: i have taken care of that as well.
[16:03] <rgreening> :)
[16:03] <meson10> All that is left to do... is Shuff "Needed" data to the application.
[16:04] <meson10> which is not just a task... a big one.
[16:04] <meson10> but it would be nice to consult other people already working in this.
[16:04] <rgreening> Riddell, would seele be the one to consul on this?
[16:04] <apachelogger> meson10: lego-like tabs for the distribution or the user?
[16:04] <Riddell> I don't know what's being asked
[16:05] <rgreening> I think it's a usability sort of...
[16:06] <meson10> Riddell: i am asking... 1. will this application be useful.? 2. The Usability guys i can ping
[16:07] <apachelogger> meson10: seele would be the usability gal to ping, she isn't too much online these days though
[16:08] <Riddell> meson10: as I say I'm not a bit fan of startup tips/wizards/splashes etc but hard to say if it would be useful until seeing more of what it is
[16:08] <Riddell> meson10: kde-usability list would be a good place
[16:08]  * apachelogger agrees
[16:08] <meson10> Riddell: apachelogger alright... thanks :-)
[16:08] <apachelogger> Riddell: I think a first start guide thingy makes sense for new users
[16:08] <meson10> i will get the application going... and ping you guys back... after i am done with a semi-presentable content
[16:09] <Riddell> apachelogger: so long as it doesn't get in the way for old users :)
[16:09] <meson10> apachelogger: precisely thats what i am targetting.
[16:09] <meson10> Riddell: you can always set it to "Don't show...... "... the very first time it shows
[16:10] <Riddell> I'd rather have people set it to "show" first time they want it :)
[16:10] <apachelogger> aye
[16:10] <Riddell> but could be an icon on the desktop, the about-kubuntu does lack something
[16:10] <rgreening> lol. Yeah, that me be a good idea.
[16:11] <rgreening> s/me/may
[16:11] <apachelogger> that would also solve the issue that we don't have an icons on the desktop by default
[16:11] <ScottK> Why is that an issue?
[16:13] <Riddell> that's a feature
[16:13] <jjesse> i love no icons on the desktop
[16:13] <Riddell> we do have plasmoids on the desktop now though, it could be a plasmoid
[16:13] <jjesse> i don't keep any icons on any ddesktop i have
[16:13] <jjesse> in fact i don't use plasmoids either, i rarely even look at my desktop
[16:14] <rgreening> I think the idea is to have in the folderview which by default points the ~/Desktop, no?
[16:14] <apachelogger> Riddell, ScottK: it makes people wonder what thing on their desktop is
[16:14] <jjesse> the only plasmoid i have is the applicatoin launcher/taskbar
[16:15] <rgreening> default instal has Sticky Notes and Folderview
[16:15] <meson10> so do most developers... new users... tend to get stuck with so many things :)
[16:16] <meson10> its should work to being a good thing that KDE gives u a lot... not drive users away out of utter confusion
[16:30] <jussi01> Riddell: in answer to your "its gone black" no, the address input line/other tollbars are screwed.
[16:31] <Riddell> mm, yes, nasty, not seen that before jussi01
[16:32] <jussi01> Riddell: Im using backports and proposed, so might be something in there...
[16:47] <hunger> Ha! Jaunty here I come... :-)
[16:49] <Riddell> jussi01: unlikely
[16:49] <Riddell> hunger: erk!
[16:50] <jussi01> Riddell: ok, well Ill have a play round, but It would be nice to get it fixed...
[16:51] <Riddell> jussi01: move ~/.kde/share/config/konquerorrc out the way may help
[16:53] <jussi01> Riddell: nope, no luck. bit weird.
[17:53] <NCommander> Riddell, sure, which one takes priority?
[17:54] <rgreening> Anyone use IDLE or similar IDE to probram in Python? I can load python modules to view the base clases, etc. Is this possible for the kindings for KDE4 as well? Or do I simply have ot go to the KDE Techbase page or something?
[17:54] <NCommander> Riddell, we need to fix the libplasma dependency issue
[17:56] <NCommander> Riddell, yeah, that's nasty w.r.t. to adept
[17:57] <mornfall> Anyone knows if ntfs and sataraid works on intrepid out of the box? (Well I guess I'll see in a few minutes when I boot it, but I'm wondering it'd still help to know if it's supposed to...).
[18:01] <Riddell> NCommander: probably the adept issue but any help appreciated
[18:01] <Riddell> mornfall: no idea I'm afraid
[18:01] <NCommander> I think I see the adept issue
[18:02] <Riddell> rgreening: I don't use Idle but there's python api docs on api.kde.org
[18:04] <Riddell> mornfall: #ubuntu-kernel would be a better place to ask
[18:07] <rgreening> ty Riddell.
[18:09] <mornfall> Riddell: Well, I'm burning the ISO right now.
[18:09] <mornfall> We'll see what happens. : - )
[18:09] <NCommander> -- Phonon library NOT found!
[18:09] <NCommander> KDE in general fairly broken, isn't it :-/
[18:10] <Riddell> NCommander: where's that?
[18:11] <NCommander> trying to build adept on jaunty
[18:11] <Riddell> it built fine on jaunty, it's intrepid-proposed that broke
[18:22] <NCommander> Riddell, not here it didn't.
[18:22] <NCommander> brb, upgrading router
[18:35] <Riddell> guess his router upgrade failed :(
[19:41] <mornfall> Woo. I have crashed ubiquity.
[19:59] <Riddell> mornfall: ubiquity doesn't crash!
[19:59] <JontheEchidna> lol
[20:01] <jjesse> he said it so proudly
[21:23]  * Riddell does the kde 4.2 dance http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/kde42.png
[21:24] <Tm_T> Riddell: trunk?
[21:24] <Riddell> snapshot from two days ago
[21:24] <Tm_T> ah, old then (;)
[21:25] <JontheEchidna> yeah, they already changed the theme and everything
[21:25] <smarter> kde 4.2 dance?
[21:25] <smarter> it's like the Qt4 dance excepts it involves cashews? :P
[21:26]  * JontheEchidna never got the Qt4 dance mp3
[21:26] <smarter> it's probably on youtube
[21:28] <JontheEchidna> ooh, neon got updated
[21:28] <JontheEchidna> too bad it just missed kde rev 884394
[21:30] <Riddell> you've got to have that bling
[21:39]  * seele would really like to see system settings improved for 4.3
[21:40] <JontheEchidna> at least they renamed Nepomuk in systemsettings to desktop search for KDE 4.2
[21:40] <JontheEchidna> ;-)
[21:44] <Riddell> seele: in which way?
[21:54] <JontheEchidna> speaking of systemsettings.... http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=171985
[21:54]  * JontheEchidna rejoices
[21:55] <seele> Riddell: the UI itself needs to be cleaned up.  we discussed reorg and redesign at prague but didnt find anyone to fix it
[21:56] <seele> Riddell: some of the modules for 4.2 have been "rennovated" but not redesigned for the better.  in some cases i saw a developer pulled out what was in multiple group boxes and simply created additional tabs
[21:56] <seele> Riddell: there are also missing utilities which need to be converted in to modules so everything is in one place
[22:55] <MadsRH> Hi. Anyone here from the art-team?
[22:56] <Tm_T> why asking?
[23:00] <Riddell> hi MadsRH, kwwii is but he seems to be away
[23:02] <MadsRH> I was working on the count-down banners for 8.10 and would like to discuss colabrotion between all the Ubuntu derivatives (sorry for the slow reply)
[23:03] <Riddell> apachelogger did our lovely ones for 8.10
[23:03] <Riddell> scripted svg cleverness
[23:04] <MadsRH> okay, thanks