[00:00] <nyp4life> emma: sudo kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[00:00] <nyp4life> and check in the section "Device"
[00:01] <nyp4life> should say Driver "ati" if you haven't done anything to it
[00:02] <emma> nyp4life: this is the TOTALITY of my xorg.conf --- http://club-ubuntu.pastebin.com/m7e26f47b
[00:02] <emma> I think that ubuntu decided to do something to make xorg.conf deprecated
[00:03] <szrhawaii> can anyone help me on making a .os file
[00:03] <szrhawaii> how do i go about making one
[00:03] <nyp4life> emma: ok im not sure but i think the default is 'ati' if nothing is there..
[00:03] <emma> Okay yeah it's confusing.
[00:04] <nyp4life> go download radeonhd from adept if you haven't already
[00:04] <emma> I never really understood the old xorg.conf but I was able to follow examples online to make it do stuff I needed. Now they changed it so that xorg.conf doesn't do anything.
[00:04] <emma> I think they must have made it easier some how.
[00:05] <ActionParsnip> emma: sudo apt-get install envyng-qt; kdesudo envyng-qt
[00:05] <emma> what does that do?
[00:05] <ActionParsnip> !info envyng
[00:05] <ActionParsnip> !info envyng-qt
[00:06] <ActionParsnip> !envy | emma
[00:06] <szrhawaii> does anyone know where i can find information on making .so files
[00:06] <nejode> emma: try this first, it won't hurt> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/284408/comments/15
[00:06] <nejode> emma: then try to install with envy
[00:07] <emma> to me it seems like i must have ati
[00:07] <emma> i'm using x right now with guis
[00:08] <emma> since I'm definitely not using fglrx, seems like I must be using ati, no?
[00:08] <emma> I think I just need to buy a new videocard, do you guys know what video card will surely work very nicely with Kubuntu?
[00:08] <ActionParsnip> emma: try lshw
[00:09] <ActionParsnip> emma: see what driver you are on
[00:09] <emma> okay
[00:10] <JediatNight> why can't i play DVD's on my ubuntu installation ?  I have installed the restricted format codecs and no dvd player ( VLC , mplayer ) is able to play DVDs . .can anyone suggest what's wrong?
[00:14] <_2> i just broke over 13 thousand commands by moving a data dir.
[00:14] <_2> anyone ever beet that ?
[00:14] <emma> this is what it says in lshw - configuration: driver=fglrx_pci latency=64 mingnt=8 module=fglrx
[00:15] <nejode> JediatNight: have you tried installing libdvdcss?
[00:15] <_2> !dvd
[00:16] <ekontsevoy> I am trying to switch from Ubuntu to Kubuntu but there are two issues I can't solve.
[00:17] <ekontsevoy> First, is font rendering. On Ubuntu I used ot set antialiasing (on) and hinting (slight) - that gave me very beefy, contrasty but slightly blurry funts (simiar to OSX) but on KDE4/Kubuntu it doesn't matter what I do: fonts look pretty much the same (I don't see a difference)
[00:18] <ekontsevoy> I ran dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config to make sure that I have the native hinting enabled and subpixel rendering was set to "Always". (just like I always did in Gnome). But the level of hinting does not seem to change anything in KDE.
[00:18] <ekontsevoy> Second, the wireless. First, Kubuntu does not try to reconnect after I reboot, I have to manually pick my wi-fi. Second, with Intel 5300 agn it sometimes just freezes when connecting (even mouse isn't moving).
[00:19] <kalajsi> hi
[00:20] <supertones> ekontsevoy: system settings has a fonts section in appearance you can force antialiasing
[00:20] <ekontsevoy> supertones: yes, that is where I've been doing all this.
[00:20] <ekontsevoy> Slight/Medium/Full hinting - they all look the same (looks like it's always 'full'). And subpixel rendering is always 'off' regardless of my setting.
[00:20] <supertones> thats all i got :/
[00:21] <supertones> you are restarting your apps right?
[00:21] <_2> ekontsevoy this might sound condesending,  but; you did "apply" the changes didn't you?
[00:22] <ekontsevoy> _2: yes I did. When I disable hinting alltogether, then I notice the change (on new apps).
[00:23] <JediatNight> i could fix the dvd issue
[00:24] <_2> ekontsevoy i only asked because some comming from gah-know-meh to kde don't notice that where gnome applies everything as soon as you touch it, kde waits until you tell it to apply things.
[00:24] <dwidmann> !dvdcss | JediatNight`
[00:24] <dwidmann> !css | JediatNight
[00:24] <dwidmann> maybe
[00:24] <dwidmann> !dvd | JediatNight
[00:24] <dwidmann> guess that's just an alias for the same thing, oh well
[00:25] <ekontsevoy> _2: yes, I noticed that difference.
[00:25] <_2> dwidmann yeah lots of aliases to that one infonode
[00:26] <dwidmann> JediatNight: any rate, long story short, you need to install libdvdcss2
[00:27] <bashbin> hi
[00:27] <dwidmann> hi
[00:27] <bashbin> a question please....
[00:27] <bashbin> youtube-dl does not work any more
[00:27] <bashbin> I guess its because they changed something on youtube's website
[00:27] <bashbin> a) could someone verfiy if it really dows not work any more?
[00:28] <bashbin> b) what else can I do to grad a youtube video?
[00:28] <dwidmann> bashbin: hrm, last time I checked it still worked
[00:29] <bashbin> dwidmann, youtube-dl URL
[00:29] <bashbin> or  youtube-dl -t URL
[00:29] <bashbin> like that?
[00:29] <dwidmann> bashbin: youtube-dl URL
[00:29] <dwidmann> bashbin: or alternatively, just the last part of the url
[00:29] <bashbin> yep, does not work
[00:30] <dwidmann> bashbin: hrm, maybe you have a broken copy of the script, have this: http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/16022
[00:31] <bashbin> dwidmann, this is a python-script, right?
[00:31] <bashbin> so I save it as youtube.py ?
[00:31] <dwidmann> bashbin: right
[00:31] <bashbin> and then I install python ?
[00:31] <dwidmann> bashbin: don't forget to chmod +x it
[00:31] <bashbin> of course
[00:32] <bashbin> dwidmann, 1 moment pls
[00:33] <ubuntu> I have a white desktop when I boot into my install, how do I fix this??
[00:34] <_2> !ati > ubuntu
[00:34] <ubuntu> aha, Im nvidia
[00:35] <bashbin> dwidmann, http://pastebin.com/d858a8ad
[00:35] <ubuntu> I also can't get my wifi going till I can see on the desktop, is there a method to enable a wifi connection from command line?
[00:35] <bashbin> dwidmann, the XXX in the URL are just because I did not want to paste the real URL
[00:35] <deamoon> hi guys
[00:36] <deamoon> could u tell mehow could i upgrade mine kde to new one?
[00:36] <deamoon> im new on linux
[00:36] <dwidmann> bashbin: I've noticed youtube-dl doesn't work on quite all youtube things ... seems to work on most though
[00:36] <dwidmann> deamoon: are you using kubuntu 8.10 or 8.04?
[00:36] <bashbin> do what else can I do to get the video down?
[00:37] <dwidmann> bashbin: I've no idea
[00:37] <_2> deamoon what version are you running ?     show us the output of   lsb_release -r ;kwin --version
[00:37] <bashbin> deamoon, I would not upgrade
[00:37] <bashbin> stick to 3.x
[00:37] <dwidmann> bashbin: maybe you'll find it in your browser cache
[00:37] <deamoon> y not?
[00:37] <bashbin> deamoon, if I say, KDE4 sucks,  we will have war inside here
[00:37] <bashbin> but just stick to KDE 3 as long as its supported
[00:37] <_2> joe is better than kate
[00:38] <dwidmann> bashbin: if you say KDE4 is incomplete, nobody will argue though.
[00:38] <bashbin> maybe KDE 4 will fullfill all the needed requirements until then
[00:38] <bashbin> +1 dwidmann
[00:38] <deamoon> i c
[00:38] <bashbin> _2, I like anna more than lee
[00:38] <dwidmann> it's complete enough for daily use by a lot of people, but not everybody ...
[00:39] <deamoon> Release:        8.04
[00:39] <deamoon> Qt: 3.3.8b
[00:39] <deamoon> KDE: 3.5.10
[00:39] <deamoon> KWin: 3.0
[00:39] <bashbin> dwidmann, there are many things missing
[00:39] <deamoon> thats mine stats
[00:39] <bashbin> deamoon, so stick to it
[00:39] <_2> deamoon ok you can either install kde4 along side kde3 in your hardy release  or you can upgrade to intrepid which comes with kde4
[00:39] <bashbin> thats good
[00:39] <bashbin> _2, they also told me they would not affect each other
[00:39] <bashbin> they DID
[00:39] <dwidmann> deamoon: if you want to try kde4 before doing an upgrade, you can add the ppa repo and install kde4 side by side with your kde3
[00:39] <bashbin> KDE4 programs changed a lot of settings from kde3 and changed its behaviour
[00:40] <deamoon> and how can i do it
[00:40] <_2> !upgrade | deamoon if you are interested, but i tend to agree that one need not break things just because he can.
[00:40] <_2> !kde4 | deamoon for parallel installations
[00:41] <deamoon> omg its so many info that i need to do it morow day its to late here
[00:42] <dwidmann> bashbin: KDE3 was *very* mature, and the going thing for years ... expecting what is at least in part a rewrite to be done quickly is expecting a bit much ... KDE 4.2 will be another step towards feature parity ... I can't wait til January
[00:42] <_2> and that infonode used to have help on hardy too, but thet seem to have dropped it.
[00:42] <deamoon> ok ty for replays guys
[00:43] <deamoon> be back morrow
[00:43] <bashbin> dwidmann, well,  I do not use a lot of things
[00:43] <deamoon> bb for now
[00:43] <bashbin> I like "kicker"
[00:43] <bashbin> and the ALT+F2 dialogue window
[00:43] <bashbin> there is no K Menu
[00:43] <bashbin> no icons
[00:43] <bashbin> I mount my devices manually
[00:43] <_2> dwidmann hehhe kde3 was mature, and kde4 is childish ?   :)))
[00:43] <bashbin> so I would come along with icewm
[00:43] <dwidmann> _2: childish how?
[00:43] <_2> as opposed to mature
[00:44] <bashbin> its just flippy and glubby and .... looks like vista
[00:44] <_2> but i'll not "punish" you farther
[00:44] <bashbin> _2,  maybe the opposite could just be "new"
[00:44] <bashbin> so we should really give it time
[00:44] <bashbin> guys I need to work
[00:44] <bashbin> sorry but time is passing
[00:44] <bashbin> see you soon, love you all
[00:44] <bashbin> bye bye
[00:44] <_2> bashbin so it is with all children
[00:44] <bashbin> ;)
[00:45] <dwidmann> bashbin: it still retains most of the old themes, switching that isn't hard.
[00:54] <beta-guy> how do I put KDE back to it's default settings?
[00:55] <JontheEchidna> beta-guy: rm -rf ~/.kde
[00:55] <JontheEchidna> which will raze your kde settings directory
[00:55] <JontheEchidna> next time you log in it will generate a pristine default config
[00:56] <beta-guy> thank you
[00:56] <_2> beta-guy
[00:56] <ptl> unnecessary information: I am studying naked for HP-UX certification, the exam will be 9 hours from now.
[00:57] <_2> that works   but you can lose other data with it.
[00:57] <ubuntu> is there a simple command line way to stop my desktop loading all white?
[00:57] <twylight> how do I make konqueror my main filemanagerthing, and get rid of dolphin?
[00:57] <_2> !d3lphin
[00:58] <ubuntu> I really don't want to have to reformat my partition to fix it
[00:58] <_2> !ati > ubuntu
[00:59] <ubuntu> _2: I have to install the nvidia prioritary driver but I can't get my wifi working without a working desktop, so I'm stuck?
[00:59] <_2> !wifi > ubuntu
[01:00] <_2> iwconfig
[01:00] <ubuntu> also I can't navigate the desktop at all so I can't get to the wizards those example pages were using
[01:01] <_2> ubuntu so read the older docs for the same issues  and use the cli methood
[01:02] <ubuntu> aha, will try, sorry am very noob at linux as you may guess
[01:02] <ptl> I admire your perseverance.
[01:03] <ptl> But I don't understand why you're having so many issues. 8.10 is bugged indeed, but I thought it was not as much.
[01:03] <_2> ptl it's one issue really.   nvidia
[01:03] <ptl> nvidia for this ubuntu user and ATI for emma.
[01:03]  * mister-tea says hi to _2
[01:04] <ptl> bad, bad proprietary drivers.
[01:04] <ptl> :[
[01:04] <ptl> happily I use a intel video chip.
[01:04] <ptl> open-source driver
[01:05] <ptl> everything works stable in KDE, although I can't get Penumbra Linux to start the first mission.
[01:05] <ptl> *Penumbra for Linux
[01:05] <emma> I'm going to go buy an nvidia tomorrow night. I've been told that my computer takes a pci type video device, and that nvidia 9000 series will work nicely on Kubuntu?
[01:05] <_2> i.e. propriatery      that's the bottom line.       when a distro like ubuntu tries to emulate M$ windoze by "making it idiot proff"  all you get is a higher calabor of idiots.
[01:06] <ubuntu> is installing a new nvidia driver as simple as somthing like apt-get install nvidia?
[01:06] <_2> no
[01:07] <ubuntu> damn, why does kubuntu do this to me, we used to be freinds
[01:07] <ptl> it's not ubuntu
[01:07] <ptl> it's the proprietary driver providers.
[01:08] <bjaimes> hi comunity
[01:08] <ptl> damned are they.
[01:08] <dig> emma: not sure, but I guess any "new" hardware needs some time to settle.
[01:08] <legodude__> the open source nvidia drivers are coming along...
[01:08] <bjaimes> i not speak english
[01:09] <legodude__> hi bjaimes
[01:09] <ptl> legodude__: open source nvidia drivers with 3D acceleration?
[01:09] <legodude__> what do you speak?
[01:09] <legodude__> ptl: not officially
[01:09] <emma> bjaimes: que lengua hablas?
 is installing a new nvidia driver as simple as somthing like apt-get install nvidia?  <_2> no ...  generally more like   apt-get install kernel-headers linux-source build-essential # download the nvidia package from their site and run some   bash nvidia-blah.bin   and five commands later you are rebooting to a blank screen, then comming in here from windows and asking how to fix it....    ;/
[01:09] <ubuntu> ok, I think I am defeated, I will reformat and reinstall to see my desktop :(
[01:09] <legodude__> .ve
[01:09] <emma> bjaimes: hablas espanol?
[01:09] <legodude__> touch one
[01:09] <legodude__> tough
[01:09] <ptl> ubuntu: :(
[01:09] <bjaimes> si emma
[01:10] <legodude__> ubuntu: what is your problem?
[01:10] <emma> bjaimes: cool. ningun problema, hay canales para ti
[01:10] <ubuntu> _2: LOL
[01:10] <emma> !es | bjaimes
[01:10] <bjaimes> soy new en linux
[01:10] <ptl> .ve? Venezuela? Cool
[01:10] <ptl> pretty girls in Venezuela
[01:10] <bjaimes> y tengo un brollon
[01:10] <ptl> I've been there once for a month
[01:10] <_2> ubuntu   i wish that were just a joke...
[01:11] <ubuntu> I will be back and in my installed linux with glorious emaeralded borders and desktops for Africa, you'll see!
[01:11] <ptl> ubuntu: don't forget to upgrade immediately after installing
[01:12] <bjaimes> mi problem es que esta añana apague la pc con ubuntu
[01:12] <bjaimes> y cuando la inicio ahora en la noche inicia en kubuntu
[01:12] <ubuntu> yeah, I have spent the last week building it up and I was at a very nice place with it.
[01:12] <_2> ptl  lol
[01:12] <_2> Q "what do linux users do?"
[01:12] <ubuntu> Then I removed my LAMP server in tasksel and everything just died and was seemingly gone
[01:12] <ptl> !es | bjaimes
[01:12] <_2> A "they install software."
[01:13] <ubuntu> A reformat
[01:13] <bjaimes> pero no llega a la pantalla de inicio donde se coloca el usuario
[01:14] <bjaimes> bay
[01:14] <Gorgoroth> hello
[01:14] <Gorgoroth> what is kubuntu 8.10 minimum disk space required ?
[01:14] <_2> ubuntu heh   "i reload twice a weak, whether i need to or not."  - intelikey     :)))
[01:15] <Gorgoroth> like 8 GB?
[01:15] <_2> Gorgoroth desktop install 3g
[01:15] <_2> Gorgoroth server install 1g
[01:15] <ubuntu> _2: I do alot too, I like trying to see how quick I can re-setup all the little tweaks and install all the apps again etc
[01:15] <Gorgoroth> thanks
[01:16] <_2> ubuntu when you get good at installing, you stop installing.    ;/    i installed this system in 2005
[01:17] <ubuntu> see this is what I am missing, the bit where when it all falls apart you can rebuild from command line without having to reinstall the whole shebang again
[01:17] <intelikey> btw that quote is accurate,  and old.
[01:19] <JuJuBee> I just upgraded my home computer to  Intrepid.  I have an nvidia (not sure think 8800).  I am getting a flickr every 2-3 seconds and it is driving me nuts.
[01:19] <intelikey> JuJuBee known issue,  check the wiki on that.
[01:19] <JuJuBee> K
[01:19] <intelikey> should be all kinds of posts about it.
[01:23] <JuJuBee> What is the best search term to use?  Tried nvidia intrepid flicker no results
[01:26] <twylight> if i send odd messages
[01:26] <intelikey> randr
[01:26] <twylight> i'm fixing my keyboard
[01:27] <lavacano201014> JuJuBee: On the Wiki, try just searching nVidia flicker
[01:27] <intelikey> twylight fi
[01:27] <lavacano201014> twylight: Gotcha
[01:32] <twylight> m  qqqqqqqqqqqqq
[01:33] <twylight> rrrrrrrrrbbbbbbbbaeoitaattt
[01:33] <ptl> ?
[01:33] <ptl> lol
[01:34] <ptl> fixing your keyboard
[01:34] <twylight> more like cleaning
[01:35] <tacosarecool1> hello
[01:36] <tacosarecool> hello
[01:36] <happycycling> If you want to suspend and you need the swap partition to match your ram size, do you need to account for space used my the file system itself?  I setup the partition as 6144MB for 6GB of ram
[01:36] <twylight> this is retarded
[01:37] <intelikey> happycycling your kernel has to support that much ram and swap   there may be constraints that prevent using suspend to disk with that much ram...  idk.
[01:38] <tacosarecool> I wish I could use desktop effects but it lags
[01:39] <tacosarecool> :-(
[01:39] <happycycling> I installed the 64-bit version of kubuntu
[01:39] <happycycling> any way to verify for sure if I did?
[01:40] <twylight> if it's working
[01:40] <legodude__> uname -a
[01:40] <legodude__> will tell you if your kernel is 64bit
[01:41] <legodude__> and if you have a lib64 directory
[01:41] <legodude__> good signs
[01:41] <happycycling> says x86_64
[01:42] <legodude__> the really cool kids run x86_256
[01:44] <happycycling> 6GB swap seems massive for the ability just to suspend
[01:44] <legodude__> ?
[01:44] <happycycling> your swap partition has to match the size of you RAM right?
[01:45] <happycycling> to suspsend/hibernate?
[01:45] <legodude__> shouldn't
[01:45] <happycycling> er suspend*
[01:45] <legodude__> on windows it doesn't
[01:45] <happycycling> that's what people in last night in #ubuntu were saying
[01:45] <legodude__> that doesn't make intuitive sense to me
[01:45] <legodude__> but I could easily be mistaken
[01:46] <twylight>    hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[01:47] <intelikey> happycycling you have to have enough space to write all used ram into swap     yes.
[01:47] <jimmy51_home> in 32-bit windows, there's a 4GB limit on RAM utilization due to 32-bit memory address limits.  does the same limitation exist in 32 bit kubuntu?
[01:47] <legodude__> intelikey: are you sure about that?
[01:48] <ptl> legodude__: I second intelikey
[01:48] <legodude__> jimmy51_home: kinda, look at pae
[01:48] <legodude__> I could be wrong, but do you have references?
[01:48] <intelikey> jimmy51_home older kernels yes.   i think there is a "big mem" kernel though
[01:48] <happycycling> well I'm using 64-bit
[01:48] <happycycling> so it sees all of my ram
[01:49] <legodude__> if what you two are saying is correct
[01:49] <twylight> I hate when hardware doesn't work right
[01:49] <legodude__> you need a swap size equal to size of ram + size of swap you want to have
[01:49] <legodude__> it seems to me
[01:50] <legodude__> also, shouldn't we be saying hibernate?
[01:50] <legodude__> and not suspend
[01:50] <intelikey> legodude no    you only need swap = ram+   if you want to suspend while deep into swap
[01:50] <ptl> two different things
[01:50] <legodude__> intelikey: that's what I mean, if swap size = memory size then you have no effective swap, no?
[01:51] <intelikey> no
[01:51] <legodude__> I'm totally confused then
[01:51] <twylight>     eeeeeeeeeeeeeee
[01:51] <legodude__> is there a good explanation of this somewhere?
[01:51] <jimmy51_home> thanks legodude__
[01:51] <DarkTan> anyone here use tightVNC?
[01:51] <intelikey> you are not using the swap for suspend while running,  and when not running  nothing is going to write to swap   or ram for that matter
[01:51] <jimmy51_home> and intelikey
[01:51] <happycycling> you need a cushion right? For a fudge factor, I tried (6GB) exactly and I'm off due to formating the partition to swap
[01:52] <intelikey> jimmy51_home welcome.
[01:52] <legodude__> intelikey: but stuff will be written to swap when you wnat to enter suspend
[01:52] <legodude__> you have 2gb ram, 2gb swap
[01:52] <legodude__> you have allocated 3gb
[01:52] <legodude__> you have 1gb free swap
[01:52] <legodude__> what happens?
[01:53] <intelikey> happycycling prolly not.   unless you are deep into swap you can swapoff -a   at any time and even though you may have been using a little swap   none is actually needed, it will all fit in ram.
[01:53] <happycycling> so should I resize my partitions?  I don't want to reinstall
[01:53] <intelikey> legodude       ^   that.  the kernel will do it's job.
[01:54] <intelikey> happycycling no.
[01:54] <legodude__> meaning...?
[01:54] <toto> hola alguien que hable español
[01:54] <intelikey> !es
[01:55] <happycycling> So don't do anything and don't suspend or hibernate?
[01:55] <Sokal-EC> is there any program I can use on kubuntu to open MS publisher files?
[01:55] <DarkTan> anybody know a different remote access app i can use over the internet?
[01:55] <intelikey> happycycling heh. well that would probably be best.  but that's not what i said.    i.e. don't change your partitions   but as to whether you suspend or not is up to you.
[01:56] <happycycling> so if I do, my machine crashes?
[01:56] <twylight>                         
[01:56] <twylight>                                
[01:56] <twylight> damn
[01:57] <toto> español
[01:57] <intelikey> happycycling ?
[01:57] <happycycling> suspend or hibernate
[01:57] <happycycling> will my machine crash?
[01:57] <intelikey> i'm not psychic
[01:57]  * legodude__ thinks suspend to disk needs swap = 2x ram size
[01:57] <intelikey> legodude no.
[01:57] <legodude__> why not?
[01:57] <intelikey> why would it ?
[01:58] <legodude__> well
[01:58] <legodude__> sorry
[01:58] <intelikey> you explain why you think it would
[01:58] <legodude__> at least size of physical ram
[01:58] <twylight>                        m
[01:58] <legodude__> I tried to before
[01:58] <twylight> DAMN
[01:58] <legodude__> 2gb ram, 2gb swap, 3gb allocated ram
[01:58] <toto> alguien que hable español
[01:58] <happycycling> I matched my ram size exactly when I partitioned, but not sure if suspend/hibernate will work.  I think space was lost due to formatting the partition with swap
 at least size of physical ram <<< correct   ram needs to fit into the aloted disk space.  that's all.
[01:59] <Sokal-EC> MS Publisher files?
[01:59] <legodude__> intelikey: that's what I said before and you corrected me
[01:59] <Sokal-EC> anyone know
[01:59] <legodude__> physical ram + desired swap size
[01:59] <intelikey> ?
[01:59] <legodude__> and then make sure you are allocating less "desired swap size"
[02:00] <intelikey> legodude there you go with fitting swap into swap again,  it doesn't work that way.
[02:00] <legodude__> intelikey: let me try example
[02:00] <legodude__> I have 2gb ram
[02:01] <toto> please alguien que hable español
[02:01] <legodude__> I want a "1gb swap size"
[02:01] <legodude__> if I never wanted to suspend to disk
[02:01] <legodude__> I would set my swap at 1gb
[02:01] <happycycling> yea
[02:01] <legodude__> and be done with it
[02:01] <intelikey> swap will be cached back into ram and swap disabled before the disk write process for suspend starts.
[02:01] <legodude__> if I wante dto swap to disk
[02:01] <legodude__> I would set swap at 3gb
[02:01] <happycycling> as a factor of safety yes
[02:01] <happycycling> you could do 2GB +200MB just to be safe
[02:02] <legodude__> intelikey: is this example correct?
[02:02] <courtjesterg> http://plugindoc.mozdev.org/linux.html
[02:02] <intelikey> i.e.  swap has to be large enough to hold your ram.       and i'm finished.
[02:02] <courtjesterg> wonder if any of these work for konqueror
[02:02] <legodude__> you're wrong, but I'll stop too
[02:03] <twylight>                         
[02:03] <twylight> fuck it
[02:03] <happycycling> how close can you make swap to ram size?  There's actual space lost with 'swap' formatting?
[02:03] <intelikey> happycycling very close.
[02:03] <happycycling> I did mine down to 1MB, probably not enough
[02:04] <happycycling> 6144MB for 6GB of ram
[02:04] <intelikey> should work fine
[02:04] <twylight> jjjjjjjjjjjjj
[02:04] <happycycling> cool
[02:04] <happycycling> thanks for your help
[02:04] <intelikey> welcome
[02:04] <twylight>        
[02:05] <happycycling> what is a good reading resource for learning about kubuntu?  The help ubuntu site?
[02:05] <intelikey> twylight what's the problem?   trying to setup a 136 key keyboard ?
[02:05] <happycycling> I'm trying to learn more about the software and system
[02:05] <intelikey> !help | happycycling
[02:05] <twylight> trying to get the gunk out from underneath an acer 290 spacebar
[02:05] <happycycling> uber
[02:05] <twylight> it sticks and the space function doesn't work right
[02:05] <intelikey> happycycling wait   they changed that
[02:05] <twylight> but I've got it fixed I think
[02:06] <intelikey> !contribute | happycycling
[02:06]  * Sokal-EC-{Surfin is away: Gone away for now
[02:06] <toto> spanish please
[02:06] <twylight> testing
[02:06] <intelikey> that.
[02:06] <twylight> q w e r t y
[02:06] <twylight> it works
[02:06] <intelikey> !es | toto
[02:06] <twylight> magnifying glass and tweezers, windex, paper clips and a lot of cursing, but it's working
[02:06] <happycycling> Do you use knoqeror by any chance?  I have weird issues with flash sites.  My router has a flash bandwidth meter (DD-WRT) and it comes in microscopic
[02:07] <twylight> konqueror is a bad web browser
[02:07] <happycycling> okay
[02:07] <happycycling> I use firefox, but this new KDE experience, I'm going all out
[02:08] <intelikey> i actually prefer konqueror  when using a gui.  but i don't do that very often
[02:08] <BluesKaj> konq is ok if you configure it right, but getting it right is a chore
[02:08] <unclemike> for 8.10 is there a kde 3.5.9 or 3.5.10
[02:09] <twylight> getting amarok to play mp3's on 6.anything is a chore
[02:09] <intelikey> i have a 136 key  keyboard  but have never set it up correctly twylight,  that's why i asked
[02:09] <happycycling> yea, amarok is causing me a headache with digital 'pops' between songs
[02:09] <happycycling> is there a good gapless player you suggest?
[02:10] <twylight> VLC
[02:10] <twylight> I suggest VLC for everything
[02:10] <legodude__> what's the obsession with gapless?
[02:10] <twylight> including wiping your ass
[02:10] <legodude__> I've never quite understood it?
[02:10] <intelikey> BluesKaj :)    "default is only the first step on the long road to right"  - me
[02:10] <dohdeedoh> Hello everyone
[02:11] <legodude__> hi dohdeedoh
[02:11] <intelikey> twylight language.
[02:11] <happycycling> I'm obsessed with gapless because 90% of my collection is DJ related mixes
[02:11] <legodude__> ahhh
[02:11] <legodude__> gotcha
[02:11] <legodude__> forgot about that
[02:11] <happycycling> so it's a serious mood killer ;-)
[02:11] <legodude__> yeah yeah
[02:11] <twylight> my repositories are busted again
[02:11] <dohdeedoh> I am trying to rip a CD to MP3 with Dolphin like I did with Konquerer and it seems not to show the mp3 option
[02:11] <twylight> how do I fix that?
[02:12] <dohdeedoh> legodude_, hello
[02:12] <intelikey> dohdeedoh can you not use a free format ?
[02:12] <dohdeedoh> intelikey, nope, i want them in flac and mp3
[02:12] <twylight> !repositories
[02:13] <intelikey> twylight  sudo apt-get update     # pastebin errors
[02:13] <dohdeedoh> my car has mp3 cd and I create cds for it
[02:13] <twylight> thanks
[02:13] <unclemike> does kubuntu 8.10 have kde 3.5.9 or 3.5.10
[02:13] <tacosarecool> Ok I'm sick of the lag
[02:13] <happycycling> 4.1
[02:13] <happycycling> KDE that is
[02:13] <tacosarecool> Tell me how I properly get the graphics drivers
[02:13] <tacosarecool> Flgrx
[02:13] <tacosarecool> Is laggy
[02:13] <intelikey> !mp3 | dohdeedoh
[02:13] <tacosarecool> Right now
[02:13] <tacosarecool> !ati x300
[02:14] <tacosarecool> !ati
[02:14] <unclemike> happycycling, so you saying for people that dont care dor kde 4.x.x tet is out of luck
[02:15] <dohdeedoh> how do I add LAME so that Konquerer and Dolphin see it when I try to rip to mp3?
[02:16] <dohdeedoh> intelikey, I know about that already, if I wanted to talk to RMS I would
[02:16] <intelikey> unclemike you could always remove all the qt/kde stuff and install the older version stuff from an older repo     not sure what all you will break in the process tho
[02:16] <intelikey> dohdeedoh maybe you are.
[02:17] <unclemike> intelikey, thats one thing i liked about mandriva..the newset version that just came out....mandriva 2009...has kde 3.3.10 and 4.1.2
[02:17] <unclemike> opps 3.5.10
[02:18] <dohdeedoh> intelikey, well you are one cool dude and I admire you then. =P  But tell me now how to add MP3 support to Konquerer
[02:18] <dohdeedoh> xD
[02:18] <dohdeedoh> I already added lame
[02:19] <intelikey> konq has mp3 support     what did i miss ?
[02:19] <dohdeedoh> It doesnt show
[02:19] <dohdeedoh> I see wav, flac and ogg
[02:19] <intelikey> you aren't in d3lphen are you ?
[02:19] <twylight> thanks for the fix
[02:19] <dohdeedoh> I already did my flac copy
[02:19] <twylight> that worked great
[02:20] <legodude__> dohdeedoh: as an aside, why not do flac->mp3
[02:20] <intelikey> twylight welcome
[02:20] <legodude__> faster than ripping the cd again
[02:20] <dohdeedoh> never though of that... do I lose any quality?
[02:20] <legodude__> no
[02:20] <legodude__> of course not
[02:20] <legodude__> flac is lossless
[02:21] <intelikey> ogg can be
[02:21] <dohdeedoh> how do i set quality?
[02:22] <legodude__> ?
[02:22] <dohdeedoh> holy lagggyyyyy
[02:22] <intelikey> for the mp3 dohdeedoh ?
[02:22] <dohdeedoh> jesh
[02:22] <legodude__> when converting from flac?
[02:23] <dohdeedoh> generally
[02:23] <dohdeedoh> there seems to be nowhere to set any of that
[02:23] <dohdeedoh> almost as lame as sound juicer
[02:23] <legodude__> ah, dunno, I only use lame from commandline usually
[02:24] <dohdeedoh> is that like 1000 command switches?
[02:24] <legodude__> 2313 actually
[02:24] <legodude__> takes a while to type
[02:24] <dohdeedoh> like a week or so
[02:24] <dohdeedoh> xD
[02:25] <dohdeedoh> ok
[02:25] <dohdeedoh> anyone know how to add LAME support to Konquerer to rip mp3's?
[02:27]  * Sokal-EC is back.
[02:28] <legodude__> ah _2, the kinder gentler intelikey
[02:30] <_2> no. just compiled!
[02:30] <xp-killer> i conected my tv for sound to my pc but no sound coming out?
[02:30] <draik> Is there a way to see a listing of the man pages? I mean in a point-and-click or PDF.
[02:32]  * legodude__ hates man pages
[02:32] <INeedHelp> Can someone please help me installing 2 devices into 8.10 i got both to be detected but hitting a stale point
[02:32] <legodude__> xp-killer: can you provide any more info?
[02:32] <legodude__> INeedHelp: which devices
[02:32] <INeedHelp> WinTV USB2 & Microsoft Wireless Xbox360 Headset
[02:33] <legodude__> INeedHelp: how do you know the WinTV USB2 is not installed?
[02:33] <_2> draik kde   help
[02:34] <stweston> I'm having trouble connecting to my Wireless network.
[02:34] <INeedHelp> it is installed but get this error: WinTC Initialization Error. hTV=0, i read somehwere to use MythTV as a addon component but im stuck
[02:34] <INeedHelp> WinTV init...
[02:34] <_2> draik   alt+f2   kinfocenter
[02:35] <stweston> My wireless connection's password is always reverting back to Hexadecimal whenever I select ASCII and try to connect.
[02:36] <tacosarecool> !ati
[02:36] <stweston> !wireless
[02:36] <karan> when u download a package using adept manager where does the unextracted package get saved
[02:36] <draik> _2: kinfocenter didn't want to be run by krunner. It just sits there.
[02:36] <xp-killer> legodude__: ok u know i have my speakers plug in to my pc for sound,now i wanted to plug my tv sound in the pc so i can controle the sound from my tv on my pc.i plug the tv in the back of the pc in the bleur color jack now my speakers are in the grenn that is for output but no sound coming out from wa i sopose to be hearing on the tv
[02:38] <legodude__> xp-killer: have you tried playing aroudn with alsamixer?
[02:39] <xp-killer> legodude__: kmix
[02:39] <_2> draik oh my
[02:39] <Sokal-EC> can anyone lead me in the right direction
[02:39] <Sokal-EC> i need a program that will open microsoft publisher files
[02:40] <_2> draik    there is a package    xman    that will also allow pointy clicky manpages
[02:40] <karan> when u download a package using adept manager where does the unextracted package get saved
[02:40] <legodude__> Sokal-EC:  have you tried scribus?
[02:40] <Sokal-EC> no i didnt
[02:40] <xp-killer> legodude__: i play with my kmix but i dont know wat belong to wat since the names are weird,i understand on xp easyer
[02:40] <Sokal-EC> thnx i will
[02:41] <legodude__> Sokal-EC: I don't htink it will work
[02:41] <_2> draik but the kmenu  help  should let you browse them.    also konq had an   man://   kio slave i think
[02:41] <legodude__> I've never heard of anything else opening publisher files
[02:41] <legodude__> but it is worth a try
[02:43] <Sokal-EC> does anyone in here design web sites?
[02:43] <stweston> I kinda do...
[02:43] <stweston> why?
[02:44] <_2> 10011010_2 10011101_2 10011010_2
[02:44] <stweston> Sokal-EC: ^
[02:44] <uman> Anyone know how i can mount a UDF 13346 iso in ubntu 8.10 (in command line or any other way)? Thanks, i can mount iso9660...
[02:44] <Sokal-EC> i mean professionally
[02:44] <Sokal-EC> i need help bidding a job
[02:44] <stweston> oh... no.
[02:44] <stweston> that's a bit off-topic for here, though.
[02:45] <_2> uman mount -o loop -t udf filename /mount/point/you/want/it/mounted/on/
[02:45] <karan> when u download a package using adept manager where does the unextracted package get saved
[02:45] <stweston> anyone know if there's a problem with ASCII-encoded WEP Passwords?
[02:46] <_2> karan /var/cache/apt/archives
[02:46] <stweston> on Kubuntu, I mena.
[02:46] <stweston> mean*
[02:46] <uman> _2 , thanks, worked like a charm, i tried typing the same thing but with iso13346 instead of udf and got an error
[02:46] <binMonkey> hey, guys.
[02:46] <xp-killer> i conected my tv for sound to my pc but no sound coming out?
[02:46] <_2> uman it shouldn't even need the -t option
[02:46] <Sokal-EC> ok another kubuntu thingy
[02:46] <Sokal-EC> why does kaffeine not play url's
[02:47] <uman> _2, oh, ok;)
[02:47] <Sokal-EC> it always says downloading codecs and then error it already has them
[02:47] <uman> Anyone know if you can install dot net in wine somenow? ive tried but have gotten errors . thanks
[02:47] <_2> cause url's are not something that can be "played" ?
[02:47] <DoubleD84> Has anyone ever had a ext3 partition just stop listing any files located on it. I'm using 8.10
[02:47] <_2> !dotnet
[02:47] <Sokal-EC> ok more specifically listen.pls tracks
[02:48] <xp-killer> legodude__: I FIND IT I HAD TO LIGHT UP MANY LIGHT :/
[02:48] <Sokal-EC> with live feeds
[02:48] <_2> hmmm i thought there was an infonode
[02:48] <stweston> pls files are proprietary, mehtinks
[02:48] <legodude__> xp-killer: good, I think
[02:48] <naught101> neither gimp nor krita work in kubuntu 8.10?
[02:48] <Sokal-EC> ohhhh
[02:48] <Sokal-EC> dang
[02:48] <stweston> I THINK...
[02:48] <uman> ubottu, you failed me!!! why!?
[02:48] <_2> !mp3 | Sokal-EC
[02:49] <DoubleD84> naught101: Gimp works fine for me in 8.10
[02:49] <naught101> gimp: symbol lookup error: gimp: undefined symbol: babl_get_version
[02:49] <krishna> how do I shrink a penel in intrepid?
[02:49] <naught101> damn
[02:49] <krishna> s/penel/panel
[02:49] <stweston> anyone know if there's a problem with Kubuntu's ASCII-encoded WEP Password support?
[02:50] <_2> lol  penel panel   :)
[02:50] <legodude__> naught101: sudo ldconfig ?
[02:50] <_2> stweston shouldn't be.   but i can't say for sure
[02:50] <stweston> _2: okay.
[02:51] <krishna> how do I autohide a panel too? I used to have trigger points in the corners of my screen that woulld bring a panels to the top
[02:51] <_2> !wep | stweston
[02:51] <legodude__> naught101: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=936428
[02:51] <stweston> ...
[02:51] <stweston> that's odd.
[02:51] <_2> krishna right click configure   select autohide
[02:51] <stweston> well, then... I'd better let my network techies know that.
[02:52] <mhd720> though a longer key is better, i believe
[02:52] <_2> stweston i didn't write the infonode,  i just post them.
[02:52] <stweston> _2: okay. good point.
[02:52] <legodude__> WEP is garbage
[02:52] <legodude__> doesn't provide any security
[02:52] <stweston> well, I can't deny the fact that we /have/ a WEP pass.
[02:52] <krishna> _2: I don't have a "configure". I just see "panel settings"
[02:53] <_2> krishna oh kde4   idk.
[02:53] <krishna> which doesn't seem to have any such option
[02:53] <_2> krishna kde4 is lacking in many ways
[02:53] <stweston> well, thanks for the tip.
[02:54] <naught101> thanks lego dude, I had manually install bably and gegl
[02:54] <krishna> _is it possible to go back to kde3 in intrepid ibex?
[02:55] <tacosarecool> hello
[02:55] <krishna> this is pretty frustrating. the extreme configurability was the whole reason I favored kde..
[02:55] <naught101> krishna: search google for kubuntu intrepid kde3
[02:55] <naught101> I agree
[02:55] <_2> krishna possable    yes. this is linux.    howto,,,  that is a different can of worms
[02:56] <krishna> I was hoping it would be a simple apt-get from the default repositories :)
[02:56] <_2> krishna if you find an easy way tell us and i'll pass it on to the bot
[02:57] <tacosarecool> do kate /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc
[02:57] <tacosarecool> in telnet maybe
[02:57] <tacosarecool> Then [Xdmcp] Enable=true ?
[02:57] <_2> heh
[02:58] <tacosarecool> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6115746
[03:00] <happycycling> Which search function do I use to locate files in ubuntu?
[03:00] <tacosarecool> ctrl f?
[03:00] <happycycling> I mean locate a path to the actual program
[03:01] <legodude__> which?
[03:01] <happycycling> ktorrent
[03:01] <legodude__> yeah
[03:01] <legodude__> which
[03:01] <happycycling> how do I find where it's located in / file system? /sbin? /bin etc?
[03:01] <happycycling> which what?
[03:01] <legodude__> which
[03:01] <legodude__> legodude@hivebrainii:/usr/share/man/man5$ which ktorrent
[03:01] <legodude__> /usr/bin/ktorrent
[03:01] <happycycling> thanks
[03:02] <happycycling> the /usr/bin/ktorrent
[03:02] <legodude__> which
[03:02] <legodude__> that's what I'm telling you
[03:02] <legodude__> which commandname
[03:02] <happycycling> oh haha
[03:02] <legodude__> really handy
[03:02] <happycycling> I thought it was a question
[03:02] <happycycling> sorry man
[03:04] <Nick-xx> hi all wanted to ask if i have a adsl2+ modem/router in bridge mode after connecting to a only wireless router using to authenticate does it still receive the adsl2+ speed, a little stupid but thoug...
[03:04] <legodude__> ?
[03:05] <legodude__> are you asking if the wireless with slow your asdl connection?
[03:05] <tacosarecool> I wanna get open source drivers
[03:05] <walzmyn> I've got a major problem - when i login I get nothing but colored bars and flashing letters. I have reinstalled the OS and get the same problem. fsck gives nothing and unmounting /home does nothing.
[03:05] <legodude__> er
[03:05] <Nick-xx> yes legodude
[03:05] <tacosarecool> Flgrx are too laggy
[03:05] <tacosarecool> Under x300
[03:05] <legodude__> will be the bottleneck?
[03:05] <legodude__> Nick-xx: probably shouldn't
[03:05] <naught101> there's a bash quote...
[03:05] <legodude__> if you are on a very weak connection with a very fast asdl it will
[03:06] <_2> legodude__ & happycycling   type ktorrent    if you want to know about things like   echo and printf  for example.
[03:06] <legodude__> ah
[03:06] <legodude__> that's nice too
[03:06] <_2> seperates the men from the builtins
[03:07] <_2> type type
[03:07] <_2> type is a shell builtin
[03:07] <_2> type which
[03:07] <_2> which is hashed (/bin/which)
[03:08] <legodude__> yeah
[03:08] <legodude__> what does hashed mean in this context?
[03:08] <_2> it's a script
[03:08] <legodude__> ah
[03:08] <_2> file /bin/which
[03:08] <legodude__> ooh, handles aliases nicely too
[03:08] <_2>  /bin/which: Bourne shell script text executable
[03:09] <legodude__> file is magic
[03:09] <_2> type file
[03:09] <legodude__> not mine
[03:09] <_2> :)
[03:09] <legodude__> POSIX standards here baby
[03:09] <legodude__>  /bin/which: POSIX shell script text executable
[03:10] <_2> legodude well  i ranted about it enough that someone did something      NICE !
[03:10] <legodude__> haha
[03:11] <walzmyn> Any takers on my login problems?
[03:11] <joe-coder> my zd8000 has poor sound quality, everything sounds like it's being played through a telephone, and i've had this trouble with every linux i've tried.
[03:11] <joe-coder> sorry, hp zd8000 laptop
[03:11] <joe-coder> sound is great on windows.
[03:11] <_2> really i griped about so many "bash" scripts in the ubuntu distro   that claim to be "shell" scripts but aren't    that someone toke notice
[03:11] <joe-coder> does anyone know where i could look to find info on this, what i could google, settings to check, etc?
[03:11] <legodude__> joe-coder: #alsa?
[03:12] <tacosarecool> Anyone know how to run x300 on kubuntu without it lagging
[03:12] <joe-coder> i'm using alsa, yes
[03:12] <joe-coder> is there a way to switch, is that recommended?
[03:12] <tacosarecool> If you install the driver of course
[03:12] <legodude__> joe-coder: I mean, check the channel #alsa
[03:12] <_2> !ati > walzmyn
[03:12] <joe-coder> ah, ok
[03:12] <joe-coder> thanks
[03:12] <_2> walzmyn prolly that    ^
[03:12]  * legodude__ hates udev
[03:13]  * _2 doesn't use udev
[03:13] <legodude__> ugh
[03:13] <legodude__> time to go study
[03:15] <happycycling> any gapless players you guys recommend?  VLC skips
[03:15] <walzmyn> _2 sorry, i'm having trouble useing this thing in windows. I don't think my problem is the driver
[03:15] <tacosarecool> Ok I've got a problem
[03:15] <walzmyn> _2 everytime i've installed before the standard open driver would work at least to get in, this is totally fooking up the system and making me hold down power to restart
[03:16] <tacosarecool> The default driver works but it's way slower for games
[03:16] <Guest75981> cesar
[03:16] <tacosarecool> But then flgrx
[03:16] <tacosarecool> Is laggy
[03:16] <Guest75981> pailas me meti a un chat
[03:16] <_2> walzmyn is it locking the kernel or does it still respond to sysRQ hot keys ?
[03:17] <walzmyn> _2 i'm not sure
[03:17] <walzmyn> _2 everything works fine - graphical login - until I actualy try to log in
[03:17] <walzmyn> _2 This began after I used windows to write to my /home partition (long, long story)
[03:18] <_2> walzmyn o.O
[03:18] <walzmyn> _2 but telling fstab to not mount the /home partition dosen't make the problem go away and i've reinstalled / twice (with format)
[03:18] <JediatNight> there are lot of bots here :/
[03:19] <jimmy51_home> what ver of kubuntu should i install on an ATOM 330 board?
[03:19] <jimmy51_home> (intel's embedded dual core Atom CPU)
[03:20] <_2> walzmyn so boot the system,   at the login screen   press  alt+ctrl+f1    login there,    run sudo passwd root    set the root password,     and then run   useradd some_name_here       to add a user.      then press  alt+f7    login to the new user account you just made      if that all works ok then come in here and we'll fix the rest.
[03:21]  * walzmyn starts writing really fast
[03:21] <_2> heh  copy paste print
[03:22] <walzmyn> print to what?
[03:22] <_2> what are computers for....
[03:22] <uman> is there a good way to manage songs on an ipod touch 2nd gen in ubuntu intrepid ibex..? my brother has an ipod nano and amrok, sonbird and another program which i dont remember dont workt that well
[03:22] <_2> walzmyn no printer ?
[03:23] <_2> JediatNight not vary many.   six is all i count.
[03:23] <walzmyn> _2 have to unplug, drag the laptop up stairs.... :(
[03:23] <_2> k
[03:24] <_2> jimmy51_home version ?   prolly 8.4   my openion.
[03:24]  * walzmyn waves
[03:24] <_2> !ipod | uman not sure this applies
[03:25] <jimmy51_home> _2: i was wondering on x86 vs amd64 or whatever
[03:25] <jimmy51_home> it's got a 4 GB ram max though.
[03:25] <_2> jimmy51_home it's still really just preferance tho
[03:26] <_2> what suits you,  suits you best.
[03:26] <jimmy51_home> _2: would i see better performance out of the 64-bit ver, even with only 1 or 2 gb of ram?
[03:26] <_2> "see"  not with the naked eye
[03:26] <_2> "get"  yes
[03:27] <_2> pico is better than emacs
[03:27]  * _2 starts an editor war
[03:28] <_2> !freedom
[03:28] <_2> !linux
[03:28] <ptl> !vim
[03:28] <ptl> kate is pretty but vim is more powerful
[03:28] <_2> ptl joins the editor wat
[03:28] <_2> war
[03:28] <ptl> emacs... I can't say
[03:28] <ptl> no
[03:29] <ptl> I join the editor Woodstock Party.
[03:29]  * _2 switches sides and accuses ptl of actually starting the editor war
[03:29] <ptl> I don't force my own editor upon others...
[03:29] <ptl> Which side are you?
[03:29] <_2> the other one
[03:29] <_2> :)
[03:29] <ptl> !code
[03:29] <ptl> !html
[03:31] <ptl> !scite
[03:31] <ptl> !info scite
[03:32] <_2> !info joe
[03:32] <ptl> !info jedit
[03:32] <ptl> lol
[03:32] <_2> mc -e
[03:32] <ptl> too many options
[03:32] <_2> :)
[03:32] <jimmy51_home> i use scite
[03:32] <jimmy51_home> and wscite
[03:32] <ptl> wscite?
[03:32] <jimmy51_home> same editor on linux and windows
[03:32] <ptl> what's wscite? Windows-Scite?
[03:33] <ptl> Oh.
[03:33] <jimmy51_home> keeps me sane
[03:33] <binMonkey> can you guys recommend a friendly programming channel?
[03:33] <jimmy51_home> binMonkey: you're better off going language specific
[03:33]  * _2 jsut writes scripts with "echo"  and uses "sed" for editing
[03:33] <twylight> bye
[03:33] <jimmy51_home> binMonkey: like #java or #csharp or whatever
[03:33]  * ptl writes scripts with an hexadecimal editor
[03:33] <binMonkey> jimmy51_home: ok.  thanks.
[03:34] <jimmy51_home> be prepared to be humbled though
[03:34] <_2> that actually works you know....     isn't the easiest way to get there tho
[03:34]  * binMonkey doubts ptl's sanity.
[03:34] <jimmy51_home> usually people have to let you know how smart they are (by telling you how dumb you are) before they will help you :)
[03:34]  * ptl asks binMonkey not to doubt it - he's insane and proud.
[03:35] <walzmyn> _2 no love
[03:35] <_2> walzmyn ok   tell me what exactly happened
[03:35] <binMonkey> i knew it!
[03:35] <walzmyn> _2 I created the new user account and logged in via graphical login.
[03:36] <jimmy51_home> great.  i just installed 8.10 over a working win xp install on my new Atom 330 board.... and now i get a black screen.  awesome.
[03:36] <_2> yes and  ?
[03:36] <walzmyn> _2 i got an error that it could not start "kdeconfig" i think it was
[03:36] <walzmyn> _2 when I clicked on OK i got hte same colored bars and flashing letters
[03:36] <ptl> jimmy51_home: what you use scite for?
[03:36] <jimmy51_home> ptl: text editor
[03:36] <ptl> *do
[03:36] <binMonkey> ummmm.  konversation won't let me log onto another irc server while i'm on this one.  is that normal?
[03:36] <jimmy51_home> scripts, xml, etc
[03:37] <_2> walzmyn disk full ?
[03:37] <ptl> jimmy51_home: mail too?
[03:37] <walzmyn> _2 should it have created a /home/user?
[03:37] <jimmy51_home> mail?
[03:37] <_2> walzmyn yeah
[03:37] <binMonkey> !scite
[03:37] <ptl> why not? I use vim for mail
[03:37] <walzmyn> _2 the /home partition is just about full, but / has half the partition left
[03:38] <walzmyn> _2 It did not create a new directory in /home
[03:38] <jimmy51_home> why would i?  that'd be goofy
[03:38] <ptl> Would it?
[03:38] <jimmy51_home> yes
[03:38] <walzmyn> _2 I can see /home from here in windows
[03:38] <jimmy51_home> that's like my wife using a torque wrench as a hammer
[03:38] <ptl> lol
[03:39] <cuznt> mine does that too
[03:39] <jimmy51_home> a torque wrench is a useful tool, but there are better tools for hammering
[03:39] <binMonkey> walzmyn: can u see russia?  aaaaaahahahahahahaha!
[03:39] <jimmy51_home> my gosh, why do they do that?
[03:39] <ptl> well, I think it depends on what kind of mail you receive. I have no problems using vim for that.
[03:39] <jimmy51_home> first large metallic object they find in the garage = hammer!
[03:39] <cuznt> measurment envy
[03:39]  * walzmyn dosen't get binMonkey's joke
[03:39] <_2> walzmyn just a sec.   ok i said use useradd  which without the -m wont make the new dir..    should have said use   adduser   sorry my bad.
[03:39] <jimmy51_home> ptl: we only send magic-eye encoded jpg's... no text :)
[03:39] <boobuntu> can someone pls help me resolve this issue with my nvidia , i am using the right driver, but when change the xconf file. it killed my resolutions for a 24" monitor
[03:40] <jimmy51_home> boobuntu: what ver of kubuntu?
[03:40] <DoubleD84> I'm having issues with a partition. It doesn't seem to be mounting properly. I can mount it without error but none of the files are listed anymore. Does anyone have any ideas? I'm running 8.10, ext3 partition
[03:40] <binMonkey> walzmyn: sorry.  when you said i can see /home it reminded me of sarah palin seeing russia from home.  i'm a little drunk.
[03:40] <_2> walzmyn so the command i gave will not by default make the user's home dir.
[03:40] <boobuntu> im using 8.10
[03:40] <jimmy51_home> ( in 8.10 you shouldn't have to configure xorg.conf at all, i don't think )
[03:40] <ptl> jimmy51_home: mind you, I use mutt + vim on my lab, I don't need fancy graphics. On the other hand, I also use gmail.
[03:40] <jimmy51_home> is there a problem with what it autoconfigures?
[03:41] <walzmyn> _2 ok, I was just wondering if something ELSE was fookered
[03:41] <boobuntu> :) well i edited it to twin view as instructed on ubuntu help site.. and bam lost my 1900 reZ
[03:42] <walzmyn> _2 I don't understand why i'm still haveing this problem when i've reinstalled the OS twice
[03:42] <boobuntu> with what? walz
[03:42] <_2> walzmyn but.    if you will go and make one more account using    useradd -md /usr/new_home some_name       and test it.  that will prove if it's the home fs or not.
[03:42] <jimmy51_home> boobuntu: ah.  that stinks.  i can only afford one monitor, so i've never messed with dual
[03:42] <boobuntu> can u just tell me how to manuall configure to fix reZ even for 1
[03:43] <boobuntu> this is piercing my brain at this reZ
[03:43] <walzmyn> boobuntu with the same disk i installed the thing with the first time
[03:43] <jimmy51_home> boobuntu: i think it's something like "dpkg -reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[03:43] <jimmy51_home> can someone smarter confirm that?
[03:43] <_2> walzmyn note; reinstalling the system without formating /home will never change anything in /home
[03:43] <walzmyn> _2 would having fstab not mount /home not prove the problem is not in home?
[03:43] <_2> no
[03:43] <walzmyn> that was a lot of 'not's in one sentance
[03:44] <_2> walzmyn having /home not mount will absolutely cause errors logging in as anyone that lives in /home
[03:44] <walzmyn> Would I be better off backing up /home and just formatting everydamn thing?
[03:45] <_2> walzmyn lets try this new user with a home in /usr   just to make sure
[03:45] <walzmyn> and then of course, removing the driver that lets this crappy OS touch my linux partitions
[03:45] <jimmy51_home> boobuntu: well, i guess i'm the smartest here :)  i think that's the command to reconfigure xserver and you can get it back to defaults
[03:45] <walzmyn> ok
[03:45] <_2> walzmyn but.    if you will go and make one more account using  >>>  useradd -md /usr/new_home some_name   <<<    and test it.  that will prove if it's the home fs or not.
[03:46] <_2> walzmyn be sure to sudo things or login as root
[03:46] <walzmyn> right
[03:46]  * walzmyn waves
[03:46] <jimmy51_home> i'm going to go clean my caseless atom system parts off of my wife's desk before she comes in here with an air ratchet and smashes them
[03:46] <_2> you can't create users or their home dirs with root
[03:47] <DarkTan> are there any good programs that work with skype?
[03:47] <_2> !skype
[03:49] <ptl> jimmy51_home: dexconf
[03:49] <_2> jimmy51_home air ratchets are not very good for that.  tell her to use a monkey rench
[03:49] <DoubleD84> can someone explain to me what the <dump> and <pass> are used for in fstab?
[03:49] <DarkTan> thx, gonna try that
[03:49] <_2> DoubleD84 man mount   or man fstab   can
[03:50] <sjdurfey> anyone know of a dreamweaver like app for linux?
[03:50] <_2> DoubleD84 not only commands but even some configs have man pages
[03:50] <ptl> DoubleD84: did you read fstab's manpage?
[03:50] <_2> !dreamweaver
[03:50] <ptl> DoubleD84: dump is an old standard unix utility, not used today
[03:51] <ptl> DoubleD84: used for backups... but in practice, this field is never used.
[03:51] <DoubleD84> I'm just trying to recover a partion that seems to have lost all it's files and I don't know why. I'm a fairly novice user (1 week on 8.10)
[03:51] <DoubleD84> it mounts without an error but nothing is listed
[03:51] <_2> testdisk
[03:51] <ptl> DoubleD84: the sixth field is kind of deprecated too, but as a rule of thumb: 1 for the root filesystem, 2 or 0 for the others
[03:52] <_2> !info testdisk | DoubleD84
[03:52] <buckethead> Anybody mind helping me installing a plasmoid on Hardy? The cmake command is failing.
[03:53] <DoubleD84> I was reading a post on the forums and it talked about fsck. I just fired it up in konsole and it spat out a warning that there was a bad format on line 19. It's not related to the partition in question but would it have anything to do with it?
[03:53] <DoubleD84> should I just post the line?
[03:54] <_2> yeah
[03:54] <DoubleD84> does fsck start lines counting at 0 or 1?
[03:54] <_2> not sure   post both
[03:55] <DoubleD84> : /dev/sdb1   /home/dan/BackUp ntfs-3g relatime	0 2
[03:55] <DoubleD84> there are tabs in there I just removed them for viewing purposes
[03:56] <_2> relatime and ntfs-3g   are probably not compatable.
[03:56] <DoubleD84> that partition mounts fine though. Should I just give it a shot without relatime?
[03:56] <_2> i would replace relatime with defaults
[03:56] <DoubleD84> : /dev/sdc1	/home/dan/VirtualBox	  ext3	  relatime	  0	  2  <-- that's the partition in question.. Mounts fine but no files
[03:57] <_2> defaults is safe for all lines
[03:57] <walzmyn> how the crap does anybody use Kopete?
[03:57] <walzmyn> _2 That solved it
[03:57] <_2> walzmyn you in there now ?
[03:57] <DoubleD84> walzmyn: I lasted less than a day
[03:57] <walzmyn> So, what do we think winders DID to my /home partition to screw all this up?
[03:57] <JediatNight> i use kopete
[03:57] <_2> walzmyn in the new account you just made  ?
[03:57] <walzmyn> Yes, i'm in linux, thank God
[03:57] <walzmyn> yes
[03:58] <buckethead> walzmyn: I use it everyday. The history annoys me but everything else seems to work?
[03:58] <_2> walzmyn ok open a terminal and    su -
[03:58] <_2> use the root password
[03:58] <DoubleD84> I've tried pretty anything that's available with a GUI.. Stuck with aMSN
[03:58] <walzmyn> I've been stuck trying to use it for a couple of days off the live CD and I never could figure how to find my contacts or get in here, i had to install xchat
[03:59] <Ares|Left> What's a good free hex editor for Kubuntu?
[03:59] <walzmyn> _2 done
[03:59] <_2> walzmyn ok   umount /home
[03:59] <walzmyn> done
[04:00] <_2> walzmyn should be no output the first time you run that.  run it again and it should tell you that /home is not mounted
[04:00] <walzmyn> check
[04:00] <walzmyn> why is there no "n" in that command?
[04:00] <_2> walzmyn cause that's it's name
[04:01] <walzmyn> ok
[04:01] <walzmyn> _2 /home is unmounted
[04:01] <_2> walzmyn  fsck $(grep /home /etc/fstab | cut -f1)
[04:02] <_2> you can skip the grep if you know the device name   fsck /dev/blah
[04:03] <walzmyn> _2 it's checking
[04:03] <_2> call me when it finishes.
[04:03] <walzmyn> _2 dude, this is the second time you've helped me with some big problem, I owe you a big thanks
[04:03] <walzmyn> _2 you don't live in Atlanta do ya? I'll buy you lunch
[04:04] <_2> we aint done yet.  you may lose intrest before we are.....
[04:04] <walzmyn> _2 it's an hour past my bedtime now   :)
[04:04] <buckethead> Atlanta?
[04:04] <buckethead> *I* live in Atlanta.
[04:04] <buckethead> Ha.
[04:04] <walzmyn> _2 i'm at the point I can back up and just competely reinstall if I have to
[04:04] <walzmyn> _2 might be easier
[04:05] <_2> probably not.
[04:05] <DoubleD84> well... sh!t.. apparently that partition wasn't even mounted when I thought it was. I never though to ls the directory with it unmounted..
[04:05] <buckethead> Where is cmake/modules/FindKDE4Internal.cmake found? Its apt-files back to kdelibs5-dev, but that promptly wants to install 120mb of other stuff. I'd rather dump this thing than install that much.
[04:05]  * DoubleD84 is a tard
[04:06] <walzmyn> fsck is done, _2
[04:06] <_2> walzmyn clean ?
[04:07] <_2> walzmyn ok, if no errors.       mount /home
[04:07] <walzmyn> _2 it dosen't say anything, just 6.6% non-contiguous
[04:07] <_2> walzmyn that's clean.
[04:07] <walzmyn> ok, mounted
[04:07] <_2> walzmyn   df | grep /home
[04:07] <_2> wait
[04:07] <_2> add -h    df -h | grep /home
[04:08] <walzmyn> /dev/sda4                 61G   61G   0  100%   /home
[04:09] <_2> walzmyn there's your problem.   partition is full
[04:09] <_2> walzmyn probably forgot to take out the trash
[04:10] <_2> walzmyn i would suggest   rm -r /home/*/.local      and df it again.
[04:10] <DoubleD84> thanks for the help. good night everyone
[04:10] <walzmyn> _2 that's the long story
[04:10] <walzmyn> _2 When I went back to stick windows on this computer, I accident let the thing format over my backup drive
[04:10] <binMonkey> _2: when you said df does that mean defrag?
[04:10] <_2> no
[04:10] <walzmyn> I just a couple of days ago got a progam (windows only ) that restored the drive
[04:10] <_2> binMonkey defrag is for windows
[04:11] <walzmyn> only place I had big enough to hold all the data was /home
[04:11] <binMonkey> _2: that's what i though.  i just wanted to be sure.
[04:11] <walzmyn> so it was filled up in a 40+ gig dump
[04:11] <_2> walzmyn ok can you delete that dump now ?  or is it precious ?
[04:12] <walzmyn> I think i can delete it. I've repaired the backup drive and copied it over there
[04:12] <walzmyn> i just coudln't get into linux and I dind't want to do anything else from windows
[04:12] <_2> walzmyn ok find it and use   rm /home/<name>/<filename>   on it
[04:13] <walzmyn> I'll have to do that tomorrow
[04:13] <walzmyn> i'm about to fall over
[04:13] <walzmyn> thank you for all the help
[04:13] <_2> walzmyn ok.   good luck to your pinguin.
[04:13] <walzmyn> than you bunches my friend
[04:13]  * walzmyn waves to all
[04:13] <_2> walzmyn
[04:14] <_2> don't forget to retighten security as seems good to you.     i.e. the root account we unlocked.
[04:14] <walzmyn> good point
[04:14] <_2> tomarrow.
[04:14] <_2> not now.
[04:15] <walzmyn> doubt anybody will think of that password though :)
[04:15] <_2> and   you're welcome.
[04:15] <_2> walzmyn ;/   your system.   make it as safe as you want it.   :)
[04:17] <_2> well i think i just repaired over 13k commands that i broke earlier
[04:18] <jimmy51_home> svideo out looks good until xserver loads, then it has a terrible vertical sync problem and is in black and white.  any ideas?
[04:19] <_2> not me jimmy51_home sorry,  that's out of my realm
[04:20] <binMonkey> i just left a python room and those guys are light years ahead of me.
[04:21] <jimmy51_home> binMonkey: :)
[04:21] <jimmy51_home> _2: dang
[04:24] <_2> jimmy51_home i haven't started any gui today.   and don't own a teli   so....
[04:25] <AlmightyT> Can anyone help me finish install of a wireless headset?
[04:30] <DarkTan> ok, got no audio on skype, docs give me commands i can't execute -_-
[04:31] <DarkTan> anyone know who to fix that?
[04:32] <DarkTan> how*
[04:33] <grendal_prime> werid skype just works usually, even on shitty sound cards..cant help ya out there..what sound card you have something integrated into your laptop?
[04:34] <DarkTan> desktop, and it's a sound blaster
[04:34] <grendal_prime> veeeerrry werid
[04:35] <grendal_prime> sorry man cant help ya there..did you install with the package manager
[04:35] <DarkTan> yeah
[04:35] <DarkTan> added the repos
[04:35] <DarkTan> !skype
[04:37] <DarkTan> is the debian package a better idea?
[04:38] <_2> DarkTan what commands you can't exec ?
[04:38] <_2> show me error message
[04:40] <DarkTan> gedit is one
[04:40] <DarkTan> i think i got it tho, it can play audio now, but can't capture
[04:40] <jussi01> DarkTan: change gedit to kate ;)
[04:40] <DarkTan> seems my 5.1 cars needs a little more intensive selections
[04:41] <jussi01> DarkTan: I find I have to adjust skype settings a bit for my card
[04:42] <JediatNight> can anyone comment on the weather of seattle ?
[04:42] <DarkTan> yeah, i think i got it now
[04:42] <DarkTan> JediatNight: it sucks
[04:42] <DarkTan> :P
[04:42] <_2> substitute    s/[gksu,gksudo]/kdesudo/g,s/gedit/kate/g
[04:42] <JediatNight> i heard its rains very often there.. how do people live there for christs sake?
[04:42] <JediatNight> :p
[04:43] <grendal_prime> thats what they get for not living in california
[04:43] <_2> :)
[04:43] <JediatNight> california seems better.. . you can ride a bike even in winter...
[04:44] <_2> gold coast    pfft.
[04:44] <JediatNight> it would be "marvelous" ...
[04:45] <JediatNight> how is dallas?
[04:46] <_2> who are you asking ?
[04:46] <JediatNight> _2: i'm asking you
[04:46] <_2> don't know, never been there.
[04:47]  * DarkTan lives in FL, 80something today w00t
[04:47] <JediatNight> _2: it seems like your domain name is from Dallas
[04:47] <_2> seems you have me confused with my ip....
[04:47] <DarkTan> ok got it to connect, now i goes to sleep and fiddle tommorow
[04:47] <JediatNight> yeah
[04:48] <_2> JediatNight don't worry you aren't the first one that recconed me in the wrong   city/state/country/contenant.
[04:49] <JediatNight> _2: where you at  ?
[04:49] <_2> on the other side.
[04:50] <_2> but i do work for them/us
[04:50] <JediatNight> hmm...
[04:52]  * JediatNight looks at all the bots in the channel
[04:53] <_2> most of the bots in the channel look at JediatNight
[04:54] <thethirdmoose> Is phonon compatible with OSS4?
[04:54] <_2> !botsnack | JediatNight who you looking at,  i'll run your
[04:55]  * JediatNight is scared
[04:56] <_2> !info phonon
[04:56] <binMonkey> !botsnack
[04:57] <_2> hmmm thethirdmoose i don't know.
[04:57] <binMonkey> _2: do more bot tricks, please.
[04:58] <_2> like that ?
[04:58] <binMonkey> yes.
[04:58] <JediatNight> _2: yes we do like those tricks
[04:58] <binMonkey> i will give you a candy if you do.
[04:58] <binMonkey> a special candy.
[04:59]  * JediatNight gives _2 a Hershey bar for the magic tricks he is about to teacch 
[04:59]  * binMonkey gives Jedi +1
[04:59] <_2> !lag | JediatNight
[05:00] <binMonkey> _2: moar!  dance, bot monkey, dance!
[05:00] <JediatNight> hehe
[05:01] <JediatNight> !lag | _2
[05:01] <_2> ubottu anything
[05:02] <_2> ubottu fembot
[05:02] <_2> lonely you.
[05:02] <JediatNight> i was looking for fembots
[05:03] <JediatNight> there is one : emma .. i saw her.. earlier today.. i wonder where she is now
[05:03] <binMonkey> ubottu emma
[05:03] <_2> JediatNight this is irc "where men are men,  and women are men,  and little children are fbi agents"
[05:04] <JediatNight> _2 : what other irc channels are you at?
[05:04] <_2> oh a few.
[05:04] <_2> doesn't matter
[05:04] <JediatNight> i used to be on efnet many years ago... when internet was new
[05:05] <_2> when internet was new   :)
[05:05] <JediatNight> :)
[05:05] <_2> "i invented the internet"  - al gore
[05:05] <JediatNight> it was "new" to common folks like us.. back in 1995
[05:06] <_2> heh   yeah it really was.    i understand that.
[05:07] <_2> linux was new then
[05:07] <JediatNight> life was simple then....
[05:07] <_2> still is
[05:07] <_2> it's what ever you make of it.
[05:07] <JediatNight> it depends.. on what we choose.. it can be simple or complicated
[05:07] <JediatNight> _2 : true
[05:08] <_2> too true   or binary true ?
[05:08] <_2> binary true = 0
[05:08]  * _2 mussent punish
[05:08] <ptl> !lag
[05:08] <JediatNight> binary true
[05:09] <JediatNight> ;-)
[05:09] <lee> Eh   ok this is stragne but I'll give it a shot lol any who I was opperating the kde 4.1 and I was down loading a debian disk as I was curiouse about it and it was 4.4 gig, no problem there, the problem came when So how the down load rest after it was finished down loading I had this realy wierd thing of an 8.some gigabyte disk, eh what happend, how did the 2 isos merge and has this ever happend to any one befor?
[05:09] <_2> true ; echo $?
[05:09] <_2> false ; echo $>
[05:09] <_2> ?
[05:10] <JediatNight> _2 : can you do some tricks with the bots ? probably .. we can play with them..
[05:10] <ptl> lee: I dunno, but I bet your md5sum to verify the image will fail.
[05:11] <lee> I was in KDE4.1..funy thing eh, I think something seriously wrong with KDE4 it passed it
[05:11] <lee> any wierd it did say "trying to over burn the disk
[05:12] <lee> But you are right after running that it faile miserably lol
[05:12] <lee> Jsut not sure why KDE  and KB3 didnt catch it
[05:12] <twylight> guys
[05:12] <twylight> I have an announcement
[05:12] <lee> yes
[05:12] <twylight> it is my seventeenth birthday
[05:12] <lee> HAPPY BIRTHDAY
[05:13] <twylight> thanks
[05:13] <lee> hmm 1 more year and you 18
[05:13] <twylight> I know
[05:13] <lee> hmm fo it to be on topic have you decided what you want to in Linux field of work lol
[05:13] <lee> Me, iam 38
[05:13] <_2> JediatNight they took all the good infonodes away,   ubottu is just no fun anymore.    it used to say things like    !startaneditorwar > pico is better than vim       or    !startadisktopwar > twm is better than kde     and stuff like that.   it had some "larts"  (clean ones)   and a few just funny blah's    but now it's dull and gets us in trouble if we abuse it.
[05:13] <ptl> I am 34
[05:13] <ptl> almost 35
[05:14] <_2> !botabuse | JediatNight & binMonkey
[05:14] <JediatNight> sometimes when i'm bored.. i like to play with bots
[05:14] <lee> !ubuntu
[05:14] <ptl> !startaneditorwar
[05:14] <lee> well taht one still works lol
[05:14] <twylight> thanks, you guys make me feel young
[05:14] <twylight> yeah, I remember when ubotu would remark about getting mental help if you ask for info on M$ or windoze
[05:15] <lee> well, hmm I think that KDE has some seriouse bugs that need squahing
[05:15] <lee> *squashing
[05:15] <JediatNight> i dont know why.. Obiwan said.. "if droids could think there would be none of us" .....they seem intelligent to me :p
[05:15] <_2> what just happened?     did we somehow go from #kubuntu to (twilight zone AOL)    are these kids actually playing the asl game in here ???
[05:15] <JediatNight> happy birthday Twylight
[05:15] <lee> hehehe, well, you  know for reals, Japan has some amazing real droid like robots that can Run now
[05:16] <twylight> _2, we're notplaying the ASL game
[05:16] <JediatNight> japan is into inventing humanoid robots
[05:16] <lee> hmm I wonder if they use linux for there ai
[05:16] <lee> lol Hm how can we, American sign language is only good if you have a cam conected to the PC
[05:16] <twylight> we're playing the twylight just turned 17 game
[05:17] <lee> waht has american sign language have to do with anything lol
[05:17] <lee> <<<<<signs in signed english though
[05:17] <ptl> yay, let's change msn and facebook addresses also
[05:17] <ptl> exchange
[05:17] <_2> lee  wrong acronym
[05:18] <lee> lol oh the OTHER ASL lol, hehehe
[05:18] <lee> I knew waht you were talking aobut lol, jsut heckling ya
[05:19] <JediatNight> how is ASL different from other sign languages? how many are they?
[05:19] <_2> besides i thought that was asian rather than americam
[05:19] <_2> n
[05:20] <JediatNight> i always wondered who invented the sign language.. is it universal or is it different across countries/continents
[05:20] <_2> yep
[05:20] <_2> :)
[05:21] <_2> ever have anyone do that to you.  you as dualistic questions and they answer in the singular
[05:21] <lee>  ok there is American sign language (ASL) Signed Exact English) Pigeon (slang sign) and Universal Sign Language (rare) then there is  all the different sign language that is all over the different states then there is Sign language form other countrys withere own versions of signs..so literaly its like Linux.....Many Mnay doiffernt Distrso lol
[05:22] <JediatNight> hmmmm...interesting
[05:22] <lee> no on eperson invneted it
[05:22] <twylight> lee
[05:22] <twylight> have you been drinking?
[05:23] <lee> No,
[05:23] <lee> Iam jsut a bad speller and the spell check isnt working lol
[05:23] <ptl> you have dyslexical typing.
[05:23] <lee> ah ok , i activated it
[05:23] <_2> i'm not lysdexic
[05:23] <twylight> there we go
[05:23] <twylight> dyslexics untie!
[05:24] <binMonkey> i invented asl.  al gore
[05:24] <JediatNight> i'm drinking
[05:24] <twylight> I'm going to do something I probably shouldn't
[05:24] <ptl> I invented Al Gore.
[05:24] <_2> binMonkey :)
[05:24] <binMonkey> me too!
[05:24] <lee> weird it didn't come pre-activated
[05:24] <JediatNight> i'm not dsylexisc btw
[05:25] <lee> No I can't drink, this Scotsman's blood can't handle  that kind of eh input
[05:25] <lee> at any rate, is this a help channel or general channel lol
[05:25] <_2> it's the output that always diverted me
[05:25] <twylight> I'm gonna ingest a bunch of codiene, and enjoy my night
[05:25] <lee> is confused
[05:26] <binMonkey> does konversation have spell check?
[05:26] <_2> !topic
[05:26] <ptl> it was a Linux channel, you magically turned it into a A/S/L channel, I think
[05:26] <lee> yes it does but not activaated
[05:26] <lee> one has to activate it
[05:26] <binMonkey> twylight: you're only seventeen.  stick with cough syrup!
[05:26] <twylight> yeah, it should be located between keyboard and chair
[05:26] <twylight> no
[05:26] <twylight> I hate cough syrup
[05:26] <twylight> the gels are less disgusting but the trip scares me
[05:26] <ptl> binMonkey: try kvirc, kde also and way way more powerful than konversation
[05:27] <lee> twylight how about enjoying Life clean and sober
[05:27] <daneel> hi all. Having a slight problem with ubuntu netbook-remix in my eee.where did the icons on the left tabs go (see http://www.ph.utexas.edu/~daneel/snapshot1.png )
[05:27] <_2> lee can't be done, he's to young
[05:27] <twylight> I considered it lee but then decided that the scenic route is more interesting
[05:27] <binMonkey> ptl: i'm downloading it now.
[05:27] <lee> lol I see
[05:28] <JediatNight> i'm bored.. lets command the bots to do something.... if there any fembots.. they can do a striptease for all the guys here.. :p
[05:28] <binMonkey> !stripbot
[05:28] <JediatNight> hehe
[05:28] <binMonkey> dang.
[05:28] <JediatNight> _2 :  can you tell the fembots to so something for us?
[05:28] <binMonkey> make the bots dance for us, _2.
[05:29] <_2> @time
[05:29] <lee> lol, I remember a time when and if some one kept heckling the bots they were temporarily banned
[05:29] <lee> has it changed that much in the last 6 months or have we all just went nuts?
[05:30] <_2> lee still are,   just that the ops kinda trust "us" to call them if needed.
[05:30] <lee> oh that is cool
[05:30] <lee> well a litle fun never hurt anyone
[05:31] <ptl> binMonkey: kvirc is like mirc in that is has lots of fancy features and script language. It also has some veeeeery colorful fucked-up girlie scripts if you search its site.
[05:31] <_2> i like this channel when it's not so "ridgid"   and silent.   but!      and i say  BUT! when someone needs help.   lets do remember to shutup and either help them or let others do so.
[05:32] <JediatNight> i'm addicted to plain old   stuff like konsole, konversation  ..........
[05:32] <_2> !language | ptl
[05:32] <JediatNight> although kvirc seems cool
[05:32] <binMonkey> ptl: i just discovered konversation.  i was using irssi.  i think i might like fucked up girlie scripts.  do they make it look pretty?
[05:33] <lee> any how eh just out of Curiosity eh is KDE 3.5 totally out of the picture for Ibex?
[05:33] <_2> !language | binMonkey
[05:34] <lee> ooh sensor bot with language
[05:34] <binMonkey> sorry.  ptl was giving me some mighty peer pressure, though.
[05:34] <_2> folks,   the network rules demand that we keep things family friendly   and so do the chan opps.
[05:34] <lee> yeppers and being banned is no fun :)
[05:35] <lee> ooh not to mention the reputaion one can get
[05:35] <binMonkey> please don't ban me.  i really like this channel.
[05:35] <binMonkey> you guys have all been helpful and friendly.
[05:35] <lee> well me I am a newby still learning
[05:35] <_2> and would like to stay that way
[05:35] <_2> @ binMonkey
[05:36] <twylight> ibex fails
[05:36] <ptl> binMonkey: yes, they make it look pretty. I really like kvirc, I think it's a pretty good IRC client.
[05:36] <twylight> kde 4 is unfamiliar territory
[05:36] <twylight> and d3lphin I don't like
[05:36] <lee> Oh I showed a friend Kubuntu and they really liked it, I think I have another conversion from Vista
[05:36] <twylight> it makes my inner child cry
[05:36] <_2> !d3lpnin | twylight you can change it.
[05:36] <ptl> binMonkey: but as I need text-mode for IRC, I stick to irssi, which I think excels in the console world.
[05:36] <lee> eh though the liked the Ubuntu better
[05:36] <twylight> I did
[05:37] <_2> !d3lphin | twylight you can change it.
[05:37] <_2> helps if i spell it correctly    no?
[05:37] <twylight> yes
[05:37] <lee> aye
[05:37] <twylight> I changed it back to konqueror
[05:37] <twylight> WHO HAS THE SONAR SCREENSAVER
[05:37] <_2> k
[05:37] <lee> great m bad spelling is contagious
[05:37] <lee> Sonar?
[05:37] <_2> yeah sonar
[05:38] <_2> i like that one
[05:38] <twylight> it's supposed to show computers around you based on ping
[05:38] <lee> Eh not sure, I havn't checked
[05:38] <twylight> (not physical location, damn)
[05:38] <binMonkey> _2: can you make thunar the default in the same way?
[05:38] <_2> only screensaver that isn't just bloat or blank
[05:38] <ptl> I had a bot in a channel that swears a lot just so that the daily minimum of bad words is granted.
[05:38] <_2> binMonkey probably,    i've never tried.
[05:38] <ptl> I mean, I HAVE such a bot.
[05:39] <lee> ah
[05:39] <binMonkey> what channel was that?
[05:39] <ptl> #truta.org and the bot is Ajudadora.
[05:39] <ptl> but it's in portuguese...
[05:39] <binMonkey> ipanema.
[05:40] <ptl> binMonkey: if you like kvirc, I would recommend the script 'sanvirc'
[05:40] <lee> Well, HM some one put to gather a relay Nifty live DVD..has nothing but video and Audio editing on it..Called artist X
[05:41] <twylight> my current screensaver is blocktube
[05:41] <twylight> set to wireframe
[05:41] <twylight> and it's ridiculously awesome
[05:41] <lee> but I am rather Confused on the instructions on how to Transfer everything from that disk to eh this OS
[05:41] <lee> My Current screen save is  Blank screen
[05:42] <binMonkey> brb.  i'm going to try kvirc.
[05:42] <_2> my screen saver is blank screen,     but that's about all you get in console
[05:42] <ptl> my current screensaver is echo aaa > /dev/sda, just so that I never get off the computer, always keep it on.
[05:42] <lee> Oh that is new, they put up , wiki, pastebin up in links that is new
[05:43] <lee> lol
[05:43] <lee> my tv has this funtion on the PC end where if there is no activity it shuts off
[05:43] <lee> Not sure hoy it knows this or not though lol
[05:43] <lee> *how
[05:44] <lee> eh auto power off such a joy
[05:44] <_2> same way apm knows that the console is inactive
[05:45] <twylight> I have konsole hotkeyed to ctrl-alt-shift-k
[05:45] <_2> "it's watching you"
[05:45] <_2> !info yakuake
[05:46] <lee> I thought It was big brother "doing the watching"
[05:46] <twylight> is there a way to configure konsole to have green text instead of white?
[05:46] <lee> eh in some rooms the refrain from using coolored chat
[05:46] <_2> lee no,  we are too busy keeping an eye on solarus
[05:47] <lee> ahh ...what is going on with them?
[05:47] <ptl> twylight: of course
[05:47] <lee> hmm I have heard interesting things about that distro lol
[05:47] <JediatNight> i'm sleeping.....  later guys
[05:47] <lee> havn't tried it
[05:47] <twylight> wait I got it
[05:47] <_2> twylight sure.   configure it throught it's menu.
[05:47] <Jabrroa> laterz
[05:48] <lee> Well, so far, Scribus gave me issues in Kubuntu
[05:48] <Jabrroa> im usin bcktrack... no issues lol
[05:48] <lee> then I have had this weird way to big ISO
[05:48] <lee> ahh
[05:49] <_2> or   \033[1;32m
[05:49] <lee> Well, Like I said I am still learning
[05:49] <binMonkey> ptl: i kind of like this kvirc.
[05:49] <ptl> binMonkey: it is very good, I like it. And making scripts for it is very easy.
[05:49] <Jabrroa> whats a irc script?
[05:49] <Jabrroa> im new to irc
[05:50] <Jabrroa> lol
[05:50] <lee> hmm to bad none of the newer Ubuntu/Kubuntu work on the PS3
[05:50] <Jabrroa> i have ubuntu 8.04 on my ps3
[05:50] <lee> only versions with live sessions work on it :(
[05:50] <binMonkey> ptl: were you able to get tabs working in irssi.  i'm 41 and kind of new to all of this.
[05:50] <lee> How did you get it to work, mine jsut wiggs out
[05:50] <Jabrroa> i just had 8.10 but it was unstable
[05:50] <Jabrroa> no installed
[05:50] <Jabrroa> :)
[05:50] <leonardo> hi
[05:50] <lee> hi
[05:51] <leonardo> im a newbie
[05:51] <binMonkey> hi.
[05:51] <leonardo> bye
[05:51] <_2> Jabrroa scripts or "batch" files,  are ways to automate things  you can put few or many commands in one script and from there exicute it via one command
[05:52] <lee> jabbra how did you get 8.4 to work, mine wont accept the text only set up it keeps coming up with one error after another
[05:52] <Jabrroa> i well heres my config... 4gb PS3 with a 600gb HDD  i just stuck it in and installed
[05:52] <Jabrroa> i know what batch fles are...
[05:52] <lee> Live or alternate?
[05:52] <ptl> binMonkey: tabs? What do you mean by tabs? I use different windows for different channels. Is that what you call tabs? I have 22 windows open right now.
[05:52] <Jabrroa> i make certain things with them :)
[05:52] <Jabrroa> completely installed
[05:53] <Jabrroa> 22...?? omg
[05:53] <ptl> binMonkey: anyway, irssi is a text client, so there's no other way to learn it - you'll have to read tutorials, there are no easy buttons or menus. It is very good, but text mode is not for everyone
 whats a irc script?    i was just responding.
[05:53] <supertones> seriously
[05:54] <Jabrroa> yea thanks lol i diddn't know they were the same
[05:54] <Jabrroa> sorry
[05:54] <supertones> scripts automate things for ya
[05:54] <binMonkey> ptl: i saw a script that sectioned irssi off so that it was kind of like tabs.  i couldn't get it to work.
[05:54] <lee> Hmm I wonder why mine won't accept taht laternate install
[05:54] <Jabrroa> lee i completely installed it...
[05:54] <Jabrroa> lol idk bro
[05:54] <Jabrroa> corrupted?
[05:55] <Jabrroa> maybe its cuz i have a custom HDD? idk
[05:55] <lee> ahh I have the 40 gig unit
[05:55] <_2> pfft   lee is lysdexic boardkey times some
[05:55] <Jabrroa> well i Upgraded mine to a WD 600gb one
[05:56] <Jabrroa> so mightbe that
[05:56] <lee> hmm ok well may I'll do that then
[05:56] <Jabrroa> more space :)
[05:56] <Jabrroa>  nd when they hack the ps3 you will need it
[05:56] <binMonkey> is installing on a ps3 like having a super powerful computer?  what kind of cpu ghz is that comparable to?
[05:56] <lee> hehee, well I formated mine for most of the hdd to be used for linus instead of the 10 gig thing
[05:56] <Jabrroa> lol
[05:57] <Jabrroa> well its still only 40
[05:57] <Jabrroa> yea ps is very poerfull
[05:57] <ptl> binMonkey: I don't know this script, but the windows facility of irssi is quite equivalent to tabs. I keep switching between them with ESC-0, ESC-1 etc. (or Alt-0, Alt-1....)
[05:57] <lee> it has 7 of 8 processors available and it runs, IBM No drivers for the RSX chip though
[05:57] <ptl> binMonkey: anyway there's an #irssi channel, you should check with them since I don't know this particular script
[05:57] <twylight> I love you guys
[05:57] <twylight> you're always there to help fix my computer when I break stuff
[05:57] <lee> eh wait I came across something but it was for YDL
[05:57] <Jabrroa> i run Oblivion on it :)
[05:58] <Jabrroa> workslike a charm
[05:58] <ptl> what's oblivion?
[05:58] <Jabrroa> YDL is nice
[05:58] <Jabrroa> oblivion
[05:58] <Jabrroa>  lol
[05:58] <_2> ptl just a thought, you can disable that function and have all your channels in one window     not good if you minitor too much text though
[05:58] <lee> My YDL 5 disk got dammaged :(
[05:58] <Skii> how do u turn a wma file into a mp3 file in ubuntu???
[05:58] <ptl> _2: I know, I don't like it that way
[05:59] <Jabrroa> its an RPG
[05:59] <lee> but I have version 6
[05:59] <Jabrroa> i could send you the image file...
[05:59] <Jabrroa> oh ok
[05:59] <Jabrroa>  lol
[05:59] <ptl> Skii: mencoder, transcoder if you like the command-line
[05:59] <Skii> how do i do that?
[05:59] <ptl> Skii: but since you lose quality when you do this, think twice.
[05:59] <_2> !wma | Skii
[05:59] <lee> Hehe well, I loaded it with out enlightenment lol
[06:00] <Jabrroa> i run elive 1.0 gem on my ps3
[06:00] <Skii> the reason why i'm ask'n is cuz i have song's that r into wma but i want them to be in mp3 so i can put them to my mp3 player
[06:00] <lee> Oh coolio
[06:00] <Jabrroa> im on it right now
[06:00] <Jabrroa> i want to try backtrack
[06:01] <Jabrroa> or dreamlinux
[06:01] <Jabrroa> i use backtrack sometimes though
[06:01] <lee> ahh
[06:01] <Skii> how do i put a wma into mp3???
[06:01] <binMonkey> good night, guys.
[06:01] <Jabrroa> use a converter
[06:01] <jussi01> !info soundkonverter | Skii
[06:02] <_2> Skii you obviously didn't read what ubottu told you.
[06:02] <lee> Ububtu and Kubuntu works great on it as well, jsut confuses me on what os to run     on it
[06:02] <Skii> ok
[06:02] <Jabrroa> lee i will take my 40gb and format it and  see if ubuntu works on it :)
[06:02] <Skii> so then should i use soundkonverter???
[06:03] <Skii> if it's what i want it to do that is???
[06:03] <lee> jabora ok it should, but I havn't had any luck with that ISO
[06:03] <_2> and visit   http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html and   https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats   yes
[06:03] <lee> unless they can make it live, I am dead in the water
[06:03] <Jabrroa> ill be back tomorow with ressults lol good luck bro :) peace out everyone
[06:04] <lee> ok Ill be on tomarow
[06:04] <Jabrroa> aight laterz
[06:04] <Skii> can someone tell me how can i turn a wma into mp3???
[06:04] <lee> thanks jabrroa
[06:04] <Jabrroa> np
[06:04] <_2> Skii nope, it's not possable.
[06:04] <ptl> Skii: soundkonverter should do the job once you have the necessary codecs
[06:04] <Skii> why not???
[06:05] <_2> cause you don't listen.
[06:05] <lee> hmm and some arnt free
[06:05] <Skii> how do i get the necessary codecs and how do i get soundkonverter???
[06:06] <_2> skii visit   http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html and   https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats
[06:06] <Skii> nm on how to get soundkonverter i already have it downloading  ^_^
[06:06] <_2> don't download it.
[06:06] <Skii> now, how do i get the nessary codecs for it???
[06:06] <_2> nope.  it's not possable.
[06:06] <_2> i give up.
[06:06] <ptl> ?
[06:06] <Skii> too late
[06:06] <Skii> i'm srry
[06:07] <ptl> why it's not possible? lol
[06:07] <Skii> i did use adpet manager to get soundkonverter
[06:07] <ptl> it's sorta lame, but it's possible
[06:07] <Skii> i'm srry
[06:07] <_2> ptl cause you just can't tell him,
[06:07] <_2> he dont' hear a thing you say.
[06:07] <Skii> tell me what???
[06:07] <lee> hmm jsut a sec, I'll brb
[06:07] <erik_> Hello, I'm having trouble getting KDE to update to 4.1.3 from 4.0.5 using adept
[06:07] <Skii> i'm rite here, don't play me for a damn idot cuz that's NOT who i am
[06:08] <lee> ehwait, I am still Downloading
[06:08] <_2> erik_ error messages ?
[06:09] <erik_> no just can't figure out how the hell to do it lol.
[06:09] <ptl> erik_: try that from the console as root, aptitude purge $(dpkg -l | grep -- -kde4 | awk '{print $2}') && aptitude install kubuntu-desktop
[06:09] <erik_> used to gnome
[06:09] <erik_> Okay give me one second to try that.
[06:09] <lee> oh there's a thought, I didn't use the set up disk, instead I did a down load..I wonder if that could be my issue on why Kubuntus givng me such a headache
[06:10] <lee> oops I didnt do a purge befor down laoding
[06:10] <lee> oops my bad
[06:11] <lee> ptl I knew I fergot something, I didn't purge lol
[06:11] <erik_> That command is in the process of removing KDE4
[06:11] <ptl> yes
[06:11] <_2> ptl not meaning to be critical,  but would ; be better than && in that sting ?     you could leave him without a desktop
[06:12] <ptl> because the KDE4 you have is not packaged the same way as kubuntu 8.10's kde
[06:12] <lee> erg
[06:12] <erik_> I still have gnome I can fall back on
[06:12] <ptl> _2: you can be critical, I just used && because if this aptitude returns an error is because the removal wasn't successful
[06:12] <erik_> If this borks my kde desktop
[06:12] <lee> me too and that is waht I am running atm
[06:13]  * mister-tea again says hi to _2
[06:13] <erik_> Okay, I'm back at the prompt
[06:13] <lee> ptl i wasn't joking it seriously did that wierd thing with that ISO in KDE
[06:13] <_2> yes i realize why,   just thinking that ;.* -f    might be a "safer" methood  but again,  that's your call not mine.
[06:14] <ptl> lee: I believe you, but that's it, you should also check the md5... anyway, if you can reproduce that, you should file a bug report
[06:14] <lee> any idea on waht would cause the system to double the same ISO
[06:14] <lee> yeah I leanred a lesson
[06:14] <_2> mister-tea by the time i answered earlier you was went.
[06:14] <ptl> _2: might be
[06:14] <lee> any reloading after deleting that ISO lol
[06:15] <erik_> BTW, I'm using Hardy Heron if that makes a difference
[06:15] <_2> see     ^
[06:15] <_2> :)
[06:15]  * _2 hides again.
[06:15]  * mister-tea sorry
[06:16] <erik_> ptl: Okay, where do I go from here?
[06:16] <ptl> erik_: ?
[06:16] <lee> ptl I'll try to reproduce it..I should have take a snap shot
[06:17] <ptl> erik_: better use update-manager to upgrade to intrepid ibex
[06:17] <ptl> erik_: or just change all the occurences of /etc/apt/sources.list from 'hardy' to 'intrepid', it works too
[06:17] <ptl> I am sort of away now, studying HP-UX
[06:19] <lee> HM also another bug that I should report on is while running the planetarium, program , while down loading, the down load bar was flashing through the planetarium the strobing  effect was driving me nuts
[06:19] <lee> its been a while since I filed a bug reprt
[06:20] <twylight> I am so glad my spacebar works properly again
[06:21] <lee> ok, be back later.. hmm Ill see if I can remmember my old nick to file those bugs..maybe its time for some bug squashing
[06:21] <lee> I miss my earlier days of having a c-64 lol
[06:21] <_2> lee i still have one.
[06:23] <lee> lol coolio, I actually fried something in my while writing a program I am not sure though if it was a program though or if it jsut up and died, a few of the ICS were toasted :(
[06:24] <lee> Curious though, eh I thaught the chips in those were non programable
[06:25] <lee> well the last DVD
[06:25] <lee> Crosses his fingers
[06:25] <lee> and checking the checksum
[06:28] <_2> well i'm out.   thanks guys of putting up with me    i'll come back when i can't stay so long.
[06:29] <lee> eh, K3b isn't working? this is really weird, this is just not my day lol
[06:29] <lee> bbl
[06:50] <lee> Ok this is strange since when did they add flushing the cahce in K3b?
[06:50] <Wicked> how can i make it so in konqueror i can right click and choose to add files/folder to archive...or to extract files from archive? konq used to have this but in 8.10 it does not
[06:52] <lee> not sure I I ever had that ability in all my times of using Kubuntu
[06:52] <lee> so I defaulted and used Fire fox
[06:53] <lee> MAybe osme one with more expiereince then I can help uou wicked
[06:54] <lee> erg, I never should key while selepy
[06:54] <lee> well, sad to say, I am on my way, but sleep becons thy name
[07:45] <BonchBruevich> Hello, everyone. I've just received the security updates for "login" and "passwd" packages.
[07:45] <BonchBruevich> Where can I read about what was the problem?
[08:07] <Dr_willis> from the little update tool the Icon runs I see the 'changes' tab. :) and anotehr tab
[08:07] <Dr_willis> disable the root password for virtual machines created with vm-builder
[08:07] <Dr_willis>     on Ubuntu 8.10. (LP: #296841)
[08:08] <Dr_willis> * debian/rules: use 'DEB_AUTO_UPDATE_LIBTOOL = pre' to work-around new
[08:08] <Dr_willis>     libtool (thanks Colin Watson)
[08:08] <Dr_willis> passwd change log  are identcial to those
[08:12] <Synergy_Peace> hi all
[08:12] <Synergy_Peace> i have installed a new dvd writer under intrepid however following error
[08:12] <Synergy_Peace> it cannot mount
[08:12] <Synergy_Peace> onald@synergy:~$ dmesg | tail
[08:12] <Synergy_Peace> [  496.231271] sr 1:0:0:0: [sr0] Sense Key : Aborted Command [current]
[08:12] <Synergy_Peace> [  496.231279] sr 1:0:0:0: [sr0] Add. Sense: I/O process terminated
[08:12] <Synergy_Peace> [  496.231288] end_request: I/O error, dev sr0, sector 2496
[08:13] <Synergy_Peace> [  496.299737] sr 1:0:0:0: [sr0] Result: hostbyte=DID_OK driverbyte=DRIVER_SENSE,SUGGEST_OK
[08:13] <Synergy_Peace> [  496.299756] sr 1:0:0:0: [sr0] Sense Key : Aborted Command [current]
[08:13] <Synergy_Peace> [  496.299764] sr 1:0:0:0: [sr0] Add. Sense: I/O process terminated
[08:13] <Synergy_Peace> [  496.299773] end_request: I/O error, dev sr0, sector 140
[08:13] <Synergy_Peace> [  496.299914] udf: Block 35 of volume descriptor sequence is corrupted or we could not read it.
[08:13] <Synergy_Peace> [  496.307098] udf: Block 48 of volume descriptor sequence is corrupted or we could not read it.
[08:13] <Synergy_Peace> [  496.307111] UDF-fs: No partition found (1)
[08:13] <Synergy_Peace> please assist me
[08:16] <Synergy_Peace> how does one mount a dvd writer on the command line ?
[08:29] <Dr_willis> sudo mount /dev/dvd /media/directory
[08:29] <Dr_willis> or similer...
[08:29] <Dr_willis> looks like that dvd may be currupted/dirty
[08:29] <Dr_willis> !info wine-gecko
[08:31] <Synergy_Peace> dr wiilis message said
[08:31] <Synergy_Peace> mount: block device /dev/scd0 is write-protected, mounting read-only
[08:31] <Synergy_Peace> mount: you must specify the filesystem type
[08:32] <Dr_willis> tell it a filesstem type then. :)
[08:32] <Dr_willis> -t iso9660 or -t udf
[08:33] <Dr_willis> or -t auto  (which is the default I think)
[08:34] <bambang>  is there any way config usb cdma modem that only support m$
[08:34] <bambang> ???
[08:35] <Dr_willis> If you are lucky someone has  reversed-enginered some drivers for it.. for linux.
[08:36] <Dr_willis> if not.. then no.
[08:36] <Synergy_Peace> dr willis mount: block device /dev/scd0 is write-protected, mounting read-only
[08:36]  * Dr_willis is not sure what cdma means.. but thats  the general thing for linux..  
[08:36] <Dr_willis> Synergy_Peace,  so?
[08:36] <Dr_willis> its a dvd.. it is read only
[08:37] <Synergy_Peace> oh so it should list files
[08:37] <Dr_willis> Err... yes.. you shoudl be able to access all files in a 'read only' manner.
[08:38] <alejandro> why i cant install nvidia propietary modules?
[08:38] <alejandro> i have kubuntu 7.10
[08:40] <Dr_willis> That release is a bit out of date.. but you shoudl be able to use the hardware-manager tool to install them
[08:40] <Dr_willis> or whatever it was called back then
[08:42] <Synergy_Peace> dr willis so it the dvd is mounted however it will not play the dvd
[08:43] <Dr_willis> look on the mountpoint.. see wht files are there.. you see files?
[08:44] <Synergy_Peace> yes
[08:44] <Dr_willis> and is this a comercial dvd? or one you made?
[08:44] <Synergy_Peace> commercial
[08:44] <Dr_willis> You did instapp the dcss stuff that lets you play encrypted comercial dvds ?
[08:44] <Dr_willis> !dvd
[08:44] <Dr_willis> !medibuntu
[08:45] <peto_> hi
[08:45] <Dr_willis> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Medibuntu     To play encrypted DVDs, the libdvdcss2 package is essential. libdvdcss is a simple library designed for accessing DVDs like a block device without having to bother about the decryption.
[08:45] <Synergy_Peace> yes have dvdcss from mediubuntu
[08:45] <Dr_willis> Then you proberly need to tell the player the proper location of the dvd
[08:46] <Synergy_Peace> ok
[08:46] <Dr_willis> I tend to use vlc, or gmplayer
[08:46] <Dr_willis> they have menus for that
[08:47] <Synergy_Peace> i have tryed mplayer totem and dragon
[08:48] <Dr_willis> gmplayer - menu -> open -> dvd
[08:48] <Synergy_Peace> is there a way for to start hal manually so as to redect my dvd drive?
[08:48] <Dr_willis> mplayer is command line.. You could perhaps use 'mplayer /dev/dvd'
[08:48] <sd32> uʍop ǝpısdn pǝuɹnʇ llɐ ʇǝƃ ı sǝɯıʇǝɯos
[08:49] <Dr_willis> You may need to tweak your fstab entry
[08:49] <Scopic> hi all
[08:50] <Scopic> anyone know if the GeForce 9600M GS is supported, or were to look? im seeing conflicting reports
[08:50] <Dr_willis> Ive heard  the latest  cards/drivers have some issues.. I would say check the forums
[08:51] <Scopic> yea, nothing concrete there either
[08:52] <Scopic> nvidia use to be the way to go, but now I have been hearing that there newest drivers are terrible
[08:52] <Scopic> don't know what truth that has
[08:52] <Dr_willis> Ive had no issues on my 3 nvidia systems
[08:52] <Dr_willis> but they are not 'cutting edge new'
[08:52] <Synergy_Peace> dr willis my fstab entry is
[08:52]  * Scopic nods
[08:52] <Dr_willis> 8800gtsxxx, 5500,  some laptop,
[08:53] <Synergy_Peace>     /dev/scd1       /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto,exec,utf8 0       0
[08:54] <Scopic> I am shopping for a new laptop, got it narrowed down to about 3. checking there compatibility the best I can before purchase
[08:54] <Dr_willis> Synergy_Peace,  i dont even have a entry in my fstab for the cdrom... thats interesting
[08:54] <Dr_willis> could be HAL wont touch it - if its in fstab
[08:54] <spawn57> hi, i just want to recompile the cifs module with acls enabled, is there away to do this by doing the command 'make modules' against the source ...
[08:55] <Synergy_Peace> maybe the entry is for an old cdrom that i removed
[08:55] <Synergy_Peace> should i delete the entry in fstab so hal can redect?
[08:56] <Dr_willis> try it and see
[08:56] <Dr_willis> or comment it out
[08:56] <Synergy_Peace> ok
[09:05] <I_Died_Once> I have a question/problem with kubuntu 8.10 with KDE 4.1
[09:05] <I_Died_Once> I've reinstalled twice trying to figure out and restore my system to a working state
[09:06] <I_Died_Once> comeing off of a fresh install, I go to my settings to change some of the appearance and effects settings... it asks if i want to apply settings, and not its just sitting there
[09:07] <I_Died_Once> not frozen, as I can move the mouse,m but thats it
[09:07] <I_Died_Once> **now
[09:07] <Dr_willis> kde 4.1 can be very argravating...
[09:07] <I_Died_Once> how do i restore to a working desktop?
[09:08] <I_Died_Once> it never came back up after trying a new setting
[09:08] <Dr_willis> you could logout and try removing all the users .kde* settings and  log back in
[09:08] <I_Died_Once> ......ok
[09:08] <christof> Try removing / renaming ~/.kde
[09:08] <I_Died_Once> will try that
[09:10] <I_Died_Once> its telling me its a directory and its not empty
[09:10] <christof> mv .kde .kde.sav
[09:12] <Dr_willis> Its telling you the truth. :)
[09:35] <birnissom> hi, so am I the only one for whom firefox scrollbars/tabs don't look right with the qt-gtk style?
[09:38] <dwidmann> birnissom: you should be able to set which qt style manually in systemsettings, try manually setting it to something other that "use my kde style" and see if it improves
[09:40] <birnissom> dwidmann: well I tried raleigh and it looks even uglier - seem like that's the default gtk application look on kde
[09:41] <birnissom> dwidmann: I resolved it more or less with the colorful tabs extension. now I just have strange-looking/behaving scrollbars
[09:41] <dwidmann> birnissom: try the "qt4" option
[09:41] <dwidmann> birnissom: or perhaps "qtcurve"
[09:42] <birnissom> dwidmann: yeah that's the one that's giving me problems
[09:42] <Alexandru> uo
[09:42] <birnissom> I don't have qtcurve
[09:42] <birnissom> dwidmann: do you know how I could get that?
[09:42] <dwidmann> birnissom: then install it :)
[09:42] <dwidmann> birnissom: I think it's the kde-style-qtcurve package
[09:43] <dwidmann> birnissom: oh, and on the same page where you set that in systemsettings, it mentions something about a firefox/thunderbird "scrollbar" fix, have you tried it?
[09:46] <birnissom> dwidmann: yep tried that
[09:48] <birnissom> dwidmann: great, got qtcurve, thanks
[09:48] <Krym> Hey
[09:48] <dwidmann> birnissom: you're welcome
[09:49] <dwidmann> hi krym
[09:49] <birnissom> next question. In the previous adept version I was able to just do a search and basically get the output of apt-cache search something. Can I still do that?
[09:49] <Krym> I'm having problems with lampp 1.6.8a and I know this is probably not the right place to go
[09:49] <Krym> it's a lib problem
[09:50] <dwidmann> birnissom: dunno, I took 1 look at adept 3.0 and decided I'd much rather use apt-cache/apt-get ...
[09:51] <birnissom> dwidmann: well I learned apt-cache/get thanks to adept 3.0. Oh well :)
[09:53] <knusperfrosch> hi
[09:53] <Krym> so..
[09:53] <knusperfrosch> what in the blue fuck happened to adept ion .?
[09:53] <knusperfrosch> just deinstalled MB of packages
[09:53] <Krym> hello language
[09:53] <knusperfrosch> 630
[09:55] <dwidmann> knusperfrosch: what were you doing that it wanted to remove so much?
[09:55] <knusperfrosch> adept showed me 14 updates that should deinstall 20kb but after hiting apply it grew up to 630
[09:56] <dwidmann> knusperfrosch: hmm
[09:56] <knusperfrosch> looks like a really dirty bug in adept
[09:56] <Krym> anyway I start up lampp and it gives me :error while loading  shared libraries: libsybdb.so.5: cannot open shard object file: No such..
[09:56] <dwidmann> knusperfrosch: do you have any idea what it is that it removed?
[09:57] <dwidmann> Krym: try running "sudo ldconfig" and see if that does anything for the problem
[09:57] <dwidmann> knusperfrosch: check /var/log/apt/.....
[09:58] <knusperfrosch> well i didn't pay attention on it, got blunted by regulare updates so it took some time till i got mistrustfull
[09:58] <Krym> no changes
[09:58] <dwidmann> knusperfrosch: I know I've been hit with plenty of packages to remove from hardy (like all the *-kde4 packages)
[09:58] <knusperfrosch> after seeing mysql passing by and linux-modules-2.6.something i got in panic and killed adept
[09:59] <a_> is there a system monitor that tracks and identifys remote connections ?
[09:59] <dwidmann> knusperfrosch: having upgraded to intrepid
[09:59] <knusperfrosch> no kde4 on that machine
[09:59] <dwidmann> !adeptfix | knusperfrosch
[10:00] <knusperfrosch> ubottu: in don't care about the db, i care about no internet connection and no kernel modules on that machine. the db is some low prio problem
[10:00] <dwidmann> knusperfrosch: apt-get might very well try to remove the same things, run that command, then "sudo apt-get upgrade" to check and see what it wants to do
[10:00] <a_> !system monitor
[10:00] <dwidmann> knusperfrosch: was it mid-installation/removal when you shut it down? If so ... you might have to run "sudo apt-get -f install" and maybe also 'sudo dpkg --configure -a"
[10:01] <knusperfrosch> that machine is completely screwed up. lan is broken due to hardware defect and wlan got broken due to deinstalled modules
[10:01] <a_> anyone here use Konversation? what does it mean when some names are light grey in the list on the right?
[10:02] <a_> such as KingOfDos
[10:02] <dwidmann> knusperfrosch: in that case ... I hope your /home is on another partition because reinstalling might be the easiest option
[10:02] <knusperfrosch> dwidmann: for shure it was. that was the only method to stop that amok runnink adept from deinstalling my whole system
[10:02] <knusperfrosch> dwidmann: god praise the livecd ;)
[10:02] <contrast> greets, everyone
[10:02] <dwidmann> a_: I use it. ... I think it means they're set to "away"
[10:03] <dwidmann> hi contrast
[10:03] <a_> dwidmann: yeah makes sense i guess
[10:03] <Jampiter> Hi - I've got a question which I asked the other day but I forgot the answer
[10:03] <contrast> i'm unable to get sound in s/mplayer, tried every audio driver - no dice. any ideas?
[10:04] <dwidmann> contrast: the right one to use, at least in my experience, is "-ao alsa9"
[10:04] <knusperfrosch> dwidmann: home isn't another partition since i don't see any sense in partitioning a hardisk unless i use more than one OS on it. everything else makes unflexible and wastes disc capacity
[10:04] <dwidmann> contrast: you've tried it with multiple *different* video files?
[10:04] <contrast> dwidmann: yep
[10:05] <knusperfrosch> has adept any sort of log?
[10:05] <Jampiter> I recently installed KDE4 on Hardy, but whenever I try to start it it loads up half way through the loading screen before the screen goes black and dumps me back on the login screen. I was told I needed to do a console login and delete a specific file but I can't remember what it was... any ideas?
[10:05] <dwidmann> knusperfrosch: well, there are *other* benefits to keeping /home separate
[10:05] <dwidmann> knusperfrosch: such as during upgrades, reinstalls, etc ... you don't have to backup anything, all you have to do is go ahead and do it.
[10:06] <contrast> dwidmann: that got it, thanks. i didn't try all the drivers on multiple files. whoops
[10:06] <Krym> anybody here familiar with lampp
[10:08] <knusperfrosch> dwidmann: i backup everything, everyday ;) and i got out of the reinstall-os-every-half-year-rhythm since i switched all my machines to FOSS, so this is the first time i have to do so
[10:08] <knusperfrosch> but i'd like to find out why adept failed so massively
[10:08] <dwidmann> knusperfrosch: try the logs in /var/log/apt/ ... maybe it writes to those as well
[10:08] <noaXess> !backup
[10:09] <Jampiter> Anyone?
[10:09] <a_> hey... can i emulate my ps2 (playstation 2 ) on my linux pc?
[10:09] <dwidmann> Jampiter: maybe ~/.ICEauthority
[10:10] <Jampiter> Ok, I'll try that
[10:10] <Jampiter> ...how do I do a console login again?
[10:10] <Jampiter> And how do I delete files in the console... I've never had to do it
[10:11] <dwidmann> Jampiter: rm filename
[10:11] <Dr_willis> http://linuxcommand.org/
[10:11] <Jampiter> Thanks
[10:11] <Jampiter> But how do I login to the console?
[10:12] <Dr_willis> alt-ctrl-f1
[10:12] <Dr_willis> login: username
[10:12] <Dr_willis> :)
[10:12] <Jampiter> Ok
[10:12] <Jampiter> Thanks :)
[10:12] <Dr_willis> alt-ctrl-f7 to get back to X
[10:12] <noaXess> hm.. i want backup my whole disk to a compressed disk image.. can i do that with dd if=/dev/sda | gzip > /home/sda.bin.gz
[10:13] <Jampiter> Thanks :)
[10:13] <dwidmann> noaXess: you didn't specify an "of" to dd, it won't work
[10:13] <dwidmann> dd if=infile of=outfile
[10:13] <Jampiter> I've pressed CTRL+ALT+F1 and now the cursor's vanished and it's locked up
[10:13] <Dr_willis> dont forget the bs option
[10:13] <noaXess> dwidmann: but look in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem there is the command dd if=/dev/hda1 | gzip > /home/hda1.bin.gz
[10:14] <Jampiter> Will it work if I log into KDE3 and delete the file from there?
[10:14] <Krym> need some help with lampp libs
[10:14] <Dr_willis> Ive seen where some X video drivers mess witht he consoles.. I always disable the framebuffer in such cases
[10:14] <knusperfrosch> dwidmann: /var/log/dpkg.log is quite verbose but i'll first need a livecd to copy it, since usb-sticks don't work anymore...
[10:14] <dwidmann> noaXess: I would do "dd if=/dev/sda of=sdabackup bs=4096; gzip sdabackup
[10:15] <noaXess> dwidmann: you mean first dd command and the gzip command..
[10:15] <dwidmann> noaXess: right
[10:15] <noaXess> dwidmann: so i need exact same size of of then for if.. exact same hd size or more..
[10:16] <dwidmann> noaXess: right
[10:16] <noaXess> ok.. search ing a big hd :)
[10:16] <dwidmann> noaXess: I think you can compress on the fly if you use partimage
[10:16] <noaXess> dwidmann: how?
[10:16] <dwidmann> noaXess: well, partimage has a curses gui, it's not a hidden option, it's pretty obvious
[10:17] <knusperfrosch> LOL adept even deinstalled the kernel
[10:17] <dwidmann> knusperfrosch: that's very odd.
[10:17] <noaXess> dwidmann: you mean qparted?
[10:17] <noaXess> qtparted
[10:17] <dwidmann> noaXess: no.
[10:18] <dwidmann> !info partimage | noaXess
[10:18] <noaXess> aha
[10:19] <noaXess> installing ;)
[10:20] <Krym> so im thinking that hardy doesnt work with lampp
[10:21] <Jampiter> dwidmann: deleting ~/.ICEauthority didn't work :(
[10:21] <noaXess> dwidmann: do you now partimage?
[10:21] <dwidmann> Jampiter: well you were awfully vague ... that was just one of the possibilities.
[10:21] <Jampiter> What else could I try
[10:22] <Jampiter> I'm not using graphics accelleration, so could that be a factor?
[10:23] <dwidmann> Jampiter: who or what told you that you need to delete a file?
[10:23] <Jampiter> Dr_Willis I think
[10:23] <Jampiter> The other day
[10:23] <Jampiter> I didn't actually do it 'cos it started working
[10:24] <Jampiter> I thought it had fixed itself but now it's gone all weirdy again
[10:24] <dwidmann> well, Dr_willis is around, as of ten minutes ago, why not ask him?
[10:25] <Dr_willis> Huh?
[10:25]  * Dr_willis is watching Dr Who. :)
[10:25] <Jampiter> Hi Dr_Willis
[10:26] <Jampiter> KDe4's still broke - it still goes black and dumps me back on the login screen if I try and log in on it
[10:26] <Jampiter> :(
[10:26] <Jampiter> I think you told me to delete a troublesome file, but I can't remember what it was
[10:26] <Dr_willis> I rarely use kde4 so no idea what one it would be
[10:26] <Mojo_risin> is it possible to make a panel vertical in KDE 4?
[10:27] <dwidmann> Mojo_risin: click on the little shell thingon the far side of the panel, then try to drag the panel to the side.
[10:28] <Mojo_risin> dwidmann: does not work for me
[10:29] <dwidmann> Jampiter: try moving your home directory, (something like, sudo mv $HOME $HOME_backup), then "sudo mkdir $HOME", then try to log in
[10:29] <Dr_willis> just movuing the .kde directorys may do it. :) unless hes using compiz
[10:29] <apadox> hi, how can i see what video driver do I have
[10:30] <dwidmann> apadox: grep Driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:30] <Mojo_risin> dwidmann: ah ok, one has to drag the configuration area
[10:30] <a_> does 8.10 improve performance over 8.04 when trying windows games on wine?
[10:31] <dwidmann> Mojo_risin: yeah, I was pretty sure that was how to do it ...
[10:31] <Jampiter> Ok dwidmann - I'll try that
[10:32] <dwidmann> Jampiter: one sec, you might need to "sudo chown $USER:$USER $HOME" after that
[10:32] <Jampiter> Ok
[10:33] <Jampiter> dwidmann: On the first one it's saying missing destination file operand
[10:33] <ActionParsnip> dwidmann: nice one dude
[10:33] <noaXess> have kde4 on my kubuntu 8.04...
[10:33] <noaXess> is there a simple way to remove all kde4 packages?
[10:34] <apadox> dwidmann: no I am on different wifi and it works so it has nothing to do with drivers .. something about my router
[10:34] <noaXess> i had it only for testing..
[10:34] <dwidmann> Jampiter: so, "sudo mv $HOME $HOME_backup" failed?
[10:34] <apadox> about that wireless wired not connecting if you remember
[10:34] <Jampiter> noaXess: Sudo apt-get remove kubuntu-kde4-desktop
[10:34] <Jampiter> Yeah it did dwidmann
[10:34] <dwidmann> Jampiter: no, that's only a meta-package
[10:34] <Jampiter> Ah, ok
[10:35] <dwidmann> noaXess: try removing "kdelibs5"
[10:36] <noaXess> dwidmann: and kdelibs5-data too?
[10:36] <dwidmann> noaXess: yeah ... but remove those and *most* of kde4 should be gone just like that, I can't promise that that'll get all of it though.
[10:36] <noaXess> okay..
[10:37] <noaXess> thanks
[10:37] <noaXess> but.. need i remove all kde4 packages if i upgrade from 8.04 to 8.10?
[10:37] <dwidmann> noaXess: no
[10:37] <noaXess> cause the current kde4 install is not in the standard place
[10:37] <a_> what is the difference between ubuntu and kubuntu?
[10:37] <dwidmann> noaXess: the upgrade process will remove them for you
[10:37] <noaXess> aha.. then.. just upgrade..
[10:38] <noaXess> dwidmann: have you done it?
[10:38] <dwidmann> noaXess: follow the instructions on kubuntu.org
[10:38] <noaXess> jep ok.. i have it
[10:38] <a_> is it just different graphics?
[10:38] <Jampiter> a_: Ubuntu has GNOME, Kubuntu has KDE
[10:38] <Jampiter> Different user environments and included software
[10:38] <ActionParsnip> a_: its a different desktop environment
[10:38] <a_> ah
[10:39] <ActionParsnip> a_: you can run a different window manager on either but kubuntu by default uses kwin and ubuntu uses metacity
[10:40] <Jampiter> Gaaaah!
[10:40] <Jampiter> Is there any other way of moving my home folder?
[10:40] <Jampiter> Everything I try is saying there's a missing operand
[10:40] <dwidmann> Jampiter: well, you could try manually typing those paths instead of using the variables
[10:41] <ActionParsnip> Jampiter: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=325048
[10:41] <Jampiter> hat would they be?
[10:41] <Jampiter> *What
[10:41] <dwidmann> Jampiter: type "ls /home/"
[10:41] <ActionParsnip> couldnt you just mv it to another location then symlink it?
[10:41] <Jampiter> I have no idea
[10:42] <dwidmann> ActionParsnip: then all the files would still be accessible, the idea is to force it to regenerate things, and it'll hopefully work then
[10:42] <apadox> how can I activate Ati driver in kubuntu
[10:42] <Jampiter> dwidmann: moving it has worked now - it's now in /homebackup
[10:42] <ActionParsnip> dwidmann: oh i see
[10:42] <Dr_willis> !ati
[10:42] <dwidmann> Jampiter: you weren't supposed to mv /home itself, but /home/yourusername
[10:43] <Jampiter> Yeah, sorry, that's what I've done
[10:43] <dwidmann> Jampiter: now, mkdir /home/yourusername
[10:43] <Jampiter> Yep
[10:44] <Jampiter> And done the chown thing.. now trying it
[10:44] <dwidmann> Jampiter: then, chown yourusername:yourusername /home/yourusername
[10:44] <Jampiter> Yep :)
[10:44] <dwidmann> all of those command succeeded, no "permission denied" errors, right?
[10:44] <Jampiter> No errors
[10:44] <Jampiter> It's loading KDE4 now
[10:45] <Jampiter> NOOO
[10:45] <Jampiter> It's still doing it!
[10:45] <dwidmann> no?
[10:45] <Jampiter> It's still dumping me on the login screen
[10:45] <dwidmann> Jampiter: hmm, well it's certainly not a user config issue then ... restore your files back
[10:46] <Jampiter> I didn't have any to start with :p
[10:46] <Jampiter> Ok
[10:47] <Jampiter> Any other ideas?
[10:47] <dwidmann> humm, Jampiter, pastebin your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file
[10:47] <mkrahmeh> jampiter..try to symlink your backup folder from /home/username
[10:48] <Jampiter> dwidmann: The other comp isn't on the net.. i think it's just what it would be out of the box
[10:48] <Jampiter> It's a fresh install and I don't have any graphics acceleration
[10:48] <Jampiter> mkrahmeh: ?
[10:49] <paddler> Hello, anyone know how to print a PDF file from the command line under Intrepid? I used to use 'kprinter' but I wonder if I should now be using something else.
[10:49] <dwidmann> Jampiter: maybe if you move the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file, to force it to guess things ... yes, why not try that?
[10:49] <Jampiter> Ok
[10:50] <mkrahmeh> jampiter..its about finding your config files to load at startup
[10:50] <apadox> why do I get this when trying to enable ati driver http://paste.ubuntu.com/71778/
[10:51] <mkrahmeh> that s what i ve seen
[10:51] <mkrahmeh> right?
[10:51] <dwidmann> paddler: kprinter is still present, if it works, use it.
[10:51] <Jampiter> Uh.. dwidmann...
[10:52] <Jampiter> I've done that and I think it's completely broken
[10:52] <Jampiter> No graphics are showing up and I have a red line at the top of the screen
[10:52] <paddler> dwidmann: OK, it's just the upgrade from Hardy to Intrepid removed it and I wondered if kprinter was deprecated. I'm happy to re-install and use it though :-) Thanks.
[10:53] <dwidmann> Jampiter: ah, video issues afterall perhaps ... what video card do you have?
[10:53] <Jampiter> None
[10:53] <dwidmann> Jampiter: fine, then what integrated graphics do you have?
[10:54] <Jampiter> Onboard I think
[10:54] <Jampiter> This computer's a few years old with no graphics acelleration
[10:54] <dwidmann> Jampiter: that doesn't help ... type in lspci | less
[10:55] <Jampiter> It's jsut restarting.. I'm seeing i that'll make it work a bit
[10:55] <ActionParsnip> Jampiter: lspci | grep -i vga
[10:55] <mkrahmeh> jampiter...try: lspci | grep -i vga
[10:55] <Jampiter> Hooray! Login screen's appeared so it wan't completely buggered
[10:56] <Jampiter> Ok, it's not letting me type |
[10:56] <dwidmann> ah yes, I should have mentioned that you need to "sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart", or switch back to kdm (ctrl+alt+f7) then either select restart or hit ctrl + alt + bksp
[10:56] <Jampiter> It's just making a wierd noise
[10:57] <dwidmann> A weird noise eh?
[10:57] <Jampiter> I'm using failsafe mode - I can't do a console login for some reason
[10:57] <Jampiter> I press cTRL+ALT+F1 and it locks up
[10:58] <Jampiter> I think it's the KDE noise for now being able to type something
[10:58] <a_> i have a problem with "write permission" on a linux (.run) installer but i have the adminstrator password... how do i continue installation?
[10:58] <lokai> did you use sudo, a_?
[10:59] <a_> lokai: no its an automatic installer you just allow it to run and it does its own thing
[10:59] <lokai> are you installing from the command line?
[10:59] <lokai> or is it a GUI thing?
[10:59] <Dr_willis> a_,  sudo whatever.run
[10:59] <Dr_willis> what is this .run installing anyway?
[10:59] <a_> lokai: no it is a single file designed to install itself from withion a terminal, i do nothing just open it and agree the license
[11:00] <Jampiter> dwidmann: Done that and now I just have a black screen with a blinking cursor line at the top left corner
[11:00] <dwidmann> Jampiter: umm, that's not good :\
[11:00] <apadox> why do I get this when trying to enable restricted  ati driver http://paste.ubuntu.com/71778/
[11:01] <dwidmann> Jampiter: I still want to know what the graphics chipset is .... or we won't have much luck helping you
[11:01] <lokai> yeah you need to run it under using sudo. You need to run it from command line using sudo <program>
[11:01] <a_> dr willis: it is whee it puts the files in a folder off the desktop i guess
[11:01] <dwidmann> Jampiter: lscpi | grep VGA
[11:01] <a_> lokai: no you dont type in commands for this
[11:01] <Jampiter> dwidmann: It's loading up again
[11:01] <a_> lokai you double click it...
[11:02] <dwidmann> Jampiter: unless you told it to boot to "recovery mode" you might not have much luck, if you can't get to a console
[11:02] <lokai> a_: I'm telling you need to use the command line to give it the proper privelages. Theres no way around that, I'm fairly confident.
[11:02] <a_> lokai: how should i do that?
[11:02] <lokai> open up konsole
[11:02] <a_> lokai: cannot do it in "properties"?
[11:02] <lokai> dont think so.
[11:03] <lokai> type "cd <directory where the thing is saved>"
[11:03] <lokai> type "sudo <program>" or "sudo sh <program>"
[11:03] <Jampiter> dwidmann: I've selected the recovery mode fromt he boot menu
[11:04] <a_> lets say my user name is a and could you type in the exact line as i should do in the terminal please , lokai
[11:04] <dwidmann> Jampiter: you should be able to get  root shell from there
[11:04] <a_> lokai for the desktop
[11:04] <Jampiter> Great
[11:04] <Jampiter> What should I do now?
[11:04] <dwidmann> Jampiter: well, lscpi | grep VGA should tell us the graphics chipset
[11:04] <lokai> a_: I don't understand that last bit of your statement
[11:05] <Jampiter> dwidmann: It's come up with a choice of resume, root or xfix
[11:05] <Jampiter> Is it root?
[11:05] <a_> lokai: the file is on the desktop, user:a file:worldofpadman.run ... what exactly should i say to the terminal?
[11:05] <dwidmann> Jampiter: yeah, that's the option you want
[11:05] <lokai> type "cd Desktop" to change your working directory to your desktop
[11:05] <a_> right
[11:05] <a_> done
[11:05] <lokai> Next try "sudo <programname>"
[11:06] <lokai> or "sudo sh <programname>"
[11:06] <lokai> if that doesn't work
[11:06] <a_> lokai: i did it and entered password it says "command not found"
[11:06] <Jampiter> dwidmann: 01:00.0 VGA compatiable controller: Silicon intedrated Systems [SiS] 630/730 PCI/AGP VGA display adapter (rev 31)
[11:06] <a_> ah
[11:07] <a_> yes its running again
[11:07] <a_> @lokai
[11:07] <lokai> there, it should work now. Using 'sudo' gives whatever command you enter after it root rights.
[11:08] <ActionParsnip> lokai: if its grapical, you'll need kdesudo
[11:08] <a_> lokai: yep is going in now
[11:08] <a_> thanks
[11:08] <lokai> ActionParsnip: Not necessarily
[11:08] <Jampiter> Does that mean anything to you dwidmann?
[11:09] <dwidmann> Jampiter: kinda, I've never actually come across that, only heard of it
[11:09] <lokai> a_: Just make sure you know what you're giving root rights to. ;)
[11:10] <Jampiter> Should I restart?
[11:10] <dwidmann> Jampiter: mv the xorg.conf file back,
[11:10] <Jampiter> Ok
[11:10] <dwidmann> Jampiter: then open it with nano
[11:12] <Jampiter> Ok
[11:13] <ActionParsnip> lokai: yes necessarily, you can ruin file ownerships and permissions with sudo <gui app name>
[11:13] <Jampiter> Now what?
[11:13] <ActionParsnip> lokai: sudo doesnt configure the running environment for gui apps and can cause issues
[11:14] <lokai> ActionParsnip: Hm. I've been running systemsetting using sudo for the past couple months without issues...
[11:14] <dwidmann> Jampiter: go down to the device section, there should be a line for "Driver", which one is it?
[11:14] <ActionParsnip> lokai: ou'll see
[11:14] <ActionParsnip> *you'll
[11:15] <Jampiter> It says: Identifier              "Configured Video Device"
[11:15] <lokai> ActionParsnip: haha, let's hope not ;)
[11:16] <dwidmann> Jampiter: like I said, the "Driver" line, is the only one i'm really interested in
[11:16] <Jampiter> That's all it has
[11:16] <Jampiter> That's the only line in Section "Device"
[11:16] <ActionParsnip> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[11:17] <ActionParsnip> You should never use normal sudo to start graphical applications as root. You should use gksudo (kdesudo on Kubuntu) to run such programs.  gksudo sets HOME=~root, and copies .Xauthority to a tmp directory. This prevents files in your home directory becoming owned by root. (AFAICT, this is all that's special about the environment of the started process with gksudo vs. sudo).
[11:17] <ActionParsnip> from the OFFICIAL documentation
[11:17] <dwidmann> Jampiter: then perhaps we should add a new line for it
[11:18] <ActionParsnip> lokai: you can technically use kdesudo for cli apps too
[11:18] <Jampiter> What should I put?
[11:18] <bjaimes> hola
[11:18] <dwidmann> Jampiter, it will be this exactly, including quotes: Driver "sis"
[11:18] <Jampiter> Ok
[11:19] <Jampiter> Now what?
[11:19] <bjaimes> #ubunte-es
[11:19] <dwidmann> Jampiter: now type "exit" and it will either resume automatically or ask if you want to, (resume boot that is), go for it, hopefully it will help.
[11:19] <Jampiter> Just type exit?
[11:20] <Jampiter> I don't know how to use nano
[11:20] <bjaimes> #ubuntu_es
[11:20] <ActionParsnip> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-sis/+bug/82372
[11:20] <dwidmann> Jampiter: oh, wait .. you need to save first
[11:21] <dwidmann> Jampiter: I think ctrl + x saves
[11:21] <ActionParsnip> Jampiter: type as you would, when you are finished press ctrl+x then press y to save and press enter to use the same name
[11:21]  * dwidmann isn't very familiar with nano either
[11:21]  * dwidmann likes vim
[11:21] <Jampiter> So where do I type exit? just in the main editing box?
[11:22] <dwidmann> Jampiter: after exiting nano, yes.
[11:22] <ActionParsnip> Jampiter: type in the file, press ctrl+x to exit, you will be asked (at the bottom) if you wanna save, press y, then press enter to use the same filename
[11:22] <Jampiter> Oh yeah
[11:22] <Jampiter> Resuming boot now
[11:23]  * ActionParsnip loves nano
[11:23]  * Dr_willis pukes on nano. :)
[11:24] <Jampiter> YES! OH YES!
[11:24] <Jampiter> YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES!
[11:24] <Jampiter> KDE4 WORKS!
[11:24] <Jampiter> IT WORKS!
[11:24] <Jampiter> Thank you :D
[11:24] <Jampiter> dwidmann :D
[11:24] <dwidmann> You're welcome :)
[11:24] <dwidmann> enjoy
[11:24] <Jampiter> Thanks :D
[11:26] <ActionParsnip> hehe awesome
[11:26] <ActionParsnip> wtg bro
[11:26] <dwidmann> Okay, I'd better go to bed before sun starts to get bright, good night all
[11:27] <ActionParsnip> haha
[11:27] <ActionParsnip> peace
[11:28] <ActionParsnip> just not emacs :(
[11:28] <Jampiter> Cya dwidmann and thanks for the help :D
[11:29] <ActionParsnip> Jampiter: now get updates and you are away
[11:34] <ActionParsnip> so much nicer in here than #ubuntu
[11:43] <SkEmO> anyway, time to sleep, g'nite! ç:D
[11:45] <ActionParsnip> peace out SkEmO
[11:45] <SkEmO> thanks ActionParsnip :D
[12:21] <walzmyn> I've managed to get /home full (100%) and it's causeing login problems. I'm looking at it via CLI - how do I delete files in a way that'll reduce the used side of the partition?
[12:21] <noaXess> !backup
[12:22] <walzmyn> was that to me?
[12:23] <ActionParsnip> walzmyn: how big is you ~/.mozilla directory?
[12:24] <walzmyn> i dunna, why?
[12:24] <ActionParsnip> walzmyn: what folder is largest (you may want to show hidden files)
[12:24] <walzmyn> i'm trying to empty my trash folder
[12:24] <ActionParsnip> walzmyn: temp internet files are stored there which can be purged
[12:24] <ActionParsnip> !trash
[12:24] <walzmyn> i've already used rm to delete a big file I knew I had, but it didn't reduce the size of the drive
[12:24] <Dr_willis> we need a Trash Standard.. :)
[12:25] <walzmyn> I'm looking at the trash folder, I want to know the CLI command to get rid of the files
[12:25] <Dr_willis> !find trash
[12:25] <ActionParsnip> cd ~/.local/share/Trash && rm -rf *
[12:25] <Dr_willis> theres some trash cli tools also. :)
[12:26] <walzmyn> I did that on the other file, and it still says /home is 100% full
[12:26] <Dr_willis> trash-cli - command line trashcan utility
[12:26] <walzmyn> ok
[12:26] <ActionParsnip> walzmyn: you need to find out which folders are largest and skim them down some
[12:27] <ActionParsnip> walzmyn: try du ~/ | less
[12:27] <walzmyn> ActionParsnip, I have found the folder I wish to removed stuff from. There's 4 or 5 gigs in here
[12:27] <walzmyn> But i've already used rm on a folder that had 2 gigs in it and it did not free up any space
[12:28] <Dr_willis> kde3 had that filesize/foldersize view in Konwueror.. does kde4 have that?
[12:28] <ActionParsnip> walzmyn: then rm files or rm -rf for folders (make sure you want to remove EVERYTHING in that folder as rm -rf recursively deletes everything
[12:28] <Dr_willis> rm'd with the gui or command line?
[12:28] <walzmyn> command line
[12:29] <walzmyn> df still reports the partition as slap full
[12:29] <walzmyn> i just wanted to make sure that before I did rm to all of my Trash folder files that they were actually going to reduce the size of the partition
[12:29] <walzmyn> used size
[12:31] <walzmyn> ok, did it, df reports 99% now
[12:32] <Dr_willis> If you just have a bunch of directories, however, you can easily figure out which ones are largest by giving the correct arguments to “du” and “sort”. Here is how:
[12:32] <Dr_willis> du -sk * | sort +0nr
[12:32] <ActionParsnip> walzmyn: id jst keep rming stuff, or archive your pr0n / images to dvd / whatever if you dont access them
[12:32] <Dr_willis> if that works.. heh
[12:33] <Dr_willis> i think sort options have changed
[12:33] <walzmyn> ActionParsnip, if i can get back into my primary user i'm going to do all that
[12:33] <walzmyn> i had to create a new user with it's home in /usr just to get logged in
[12:33] <walzmyn> This was a total screw up all the way around
[12:34] <walzmyn> I backed up linux and went to wipe my drive to dual boot winders
[12:34] <ActionParsnip> !adduser
[12:34] <walzmyn> I forgot to unplug the back up drive and windows formatted it
[12:35] <walzmyn> so, a couple of days ago, I found an application that could recover the files off my backup drive - but the huge dump filled up /home
[12:35] <ActionParsnip> walzmyn: yikes
[12:35] <Dr_willis> 'user friendly' :P
[12:35] <walzmyn> yeah, and it's a good thing I live 3k miles from Redmond
[12:35] <ActionParsnip> microsoft works :)
[12:36] <walzmyn> for who?
[12:36] <ActionParsnip> bill
[12:36] <walzmyn> just as long as you under stand the pecking order...
[12:36] <walzmyn> I did all this to play a game
[12:37] <walzmyn> I told my buddies that when we got tired of this one, never ask again, cause i was done with windows
[12:39] <walzmyn> o...k...
[12:39] <ActionParsnip> ?
[12:39] <walzmyn> I just tried to switch user over to my primary and all I got was a konsole window up in the cornor
[12:40] <walzmyn> my reaction exactly
[12:40] <ActionParsnip> walzmyn: log offand select session type as kde
[12:40] <walzmyn> ok
[12:42] <walzmyn> That was the problem, last time i'd tried to log in i'd used failsafe
[12:42] <walzmyn> thank you guys. i'm logging out of this account
[12:42]  * walzmyn waves
[12:42] <ActionParsnip> ok man
[12:42] <ActionParsnip> peace
[12:45] <noaXess> if i do sudo dd if=/dev/sda of=/media/disk/hercules-image.bin bs=4096 i get dd: writing `/media/disk/hercules-image.bin': File too large after 4.3gb and dd stops
[12:46] <Dr_willis> what filesystem is that disk?
[12:46] <szal> pretty self-explanatory..  what size is /dev/hda, and what size is /media/disk?
[12:46] <noaXess> /dev/sda is 200gb and /media/disk 500gb..
[12:46] <noaXess> that should not be a problem
[12:47] <noaXess> the 500gb is vfat..
[12:47] <Dr_willis> you are trying to make a 4+gb file on a vfat filesystem?
[12:47] <noaXess> ok.. i think thats the prob
[12:47] <noaXess> jep
[12:47] <noaXess>  i try
[12:47] <Dr_willis> thats the issue..
[12:47] <szal> no wonder it doesn't work, FAT32 doesn't cope w/ files larger than 4 GB
[12:47] <Dr_willis> thatw why  i asked what filesystem earlier. :P
[12:48] <noaXess> ou Dr_willis soory.. not seen..
[12:48] <noaXess> what fs should i make ext2 or ext3 for the 500gb?
[12:49] <courtjesterg> ddoes mozilla plugin work for konqueror?
[12:49] <szal> what Mozilla plugin?
[12:49] <courtjesterg> http://plugindoc.mozdev.org/linux.html
[12:49] <courtjesterg> all of them
[12:49] <noaXess> courtjesterg: just try :)
[12:51] <Dr_willis> I always use ext3
[12:51] <courtjesterg> what internet browser mail client fo you use? If so say i switched to seamonkey suit van i unistall konqueror and kmal and such?
[12:51] <noaXess> Dr_willis: ok.. just mkfs it
[12:51] <noaXess> i want upgrad to 8.10 but first create a backup :)
[12:51]  * Dr_willis rarely bothers to Install anything
[12:52] <courtjesterg> the koranganizer is not very organzied lol
[12:52] <noaXess> its not an orange :) courtjesterg
[12:53] <courtjesterg> ?
[12:53] <noaXess> koranganizer -> korganizer
[12:53] <courtjesterg> ohh but they are uninstallable completely unlike in windows where interent exploer is actually built in aand actually still installed
[12:54] <courtjesterg> when you uninstall it
[12:54] <ActionParsnip> courtjesterg: not strictly true
[12:54] <noaXess> courtjesterg: i think you need uninstall the whole kontact suite
[12:54] <ActionParsnip> courtjesterg: IE uses much of the librarys that are used by explorer so IER installs very little
[12:55] <ActionParsnip> courtjesterg: if you completely uninstalled IE for every file then file browsing via gui would be impossile
[12:56] <courtjesterg> thats why i asked about if konqueror was like interent exploerr is it built in but noticcce doliphine handles what exploer would normally do with right click on start menu
[12:57] <ActionParsnip> courtjesterg: konqueror is file browsing / www, dolphin is only files. you will find konqueror uses many shared libs which will remain
[12:57] <ActionParsnip> courtjesterg: any orphaned libs unused by other apps can be removed with sudo apt-get autoremove
[12:58] <courtjesterg> ok so using another brower makes no sense really and developing konqueror even more to be useful and compatible would be better
[12:58] <ActionParsnip> courtjesterg: you can use any borwser, even IE
[12:59] <courtjesterg> yeah but i hate having more then one installed its a waste of space. I used in windows firefox cause IE sucks ;)
[13:00] <ActionParsnip> courtjesterg: i use both, IE is actually better than IE in many ways
[13:00] <courtjesterg> So let me try and get konqueror up to date and good for browseing
[13:00] <noaXess> is there an extra channel for ubuntu MIP/UMPC?
[13:00] <ActionParsnip> courtjesterg: http://home.comcast.net/~SupportCD/FirefoxMyths.html
[13:01] <ActionParsnip> courtjesterg: just to clear up any confusion
[13:01] <courtjesterg> ok thks
[13:02]  * ActionParsnip uses opera mostly
[13:02] <courtjesterg> ohh question before i go and start on my graphics driver again quick question been haveing problem when activating driver 96 with fonts saw alot of info but makes my head spin anyone got a real resolution to fix the font problem caused by this bug?
[13:03] <ActionParsnip> courtjesterg: is it nvidia?
[13:03] <courtjesterg> yes
[13:04] <ActionParsnip> courtjesterg: can i see your xorg.conf
[13:04] <courtjesterg> when i activate it in hardware drivers my fonts disappear in my applications it is the reccomended and right driver to use but if i go to 177 they reappear
[13:04] <ActionParsnip> !paste
[13:04] <courtjesterg> sure hang on
[13:04] <ActionParsnip> !fonts
[13:04] <szal> courtjesterg: well, if the 177 works, use that..  no need to use legacy software if it isn't required by anything
[13:05] <szal> courtjesterg: what gfx card are we talking about anyway?
[13:05] <apadox> how to make taskbar smaller
[13:06] <courtjesterg> geforce3 64 ram on cards yeah i know but it is good haven't activated the driver yet since my reinstall no downloaded x sever
[13:08] <szal> interestingly, I used to have a GF2 here, at some point replaced it w/ a used FX5900..  in the process I had my father's 5600 for testing purposes, and after installing the then-current driver for that card and replugging the GF2 the latter worked w/o problems
[13:08] <szal> there he goes..
[13:09] <apadox> how to make autologin
[13:09] <ActionParsnip> !autologin
[13:10] <szal> @ all: I'm contemplating trying Intrepid on a 2nd machine (as soon as I get it ;)) & wonder if KDE 4.1.x is playing w/o major problems
[13:10] <ActionParsnip> apadox: system settings -> advanced -> user manager -> convenience tab
[13:10] <ActionParsnip> szal: its not fully polished but its ok
[13:11] <szal> from what I've heard so far I'm more inclined to wait for 4.2 for a full-blown installation..  so an additional question is whether KDE 3.5 is still available
[13:11]  * szal is currently on openSUSE 11.0 w/ KDE 3.5.10
[13:12] <ActionParsnip> http://forum.kde.org/showthread.php?tid=11996&pid=16199#pid16199
[13:14] <apadox> thx ActionParsnip .... p.s. it is in login manager :)
[13:14] <Walzmyn> why is the bluetooth app open everytime I log in, even though I tell it to go away and not come back?
[13:14] <szal> ActionParsnip: so, conclusion --> better wait for 4.2 ;)
[13:15] <ActionParsnip> apadox: im on my work lappy and have no access to a kde gui ;)
[13:15] <ActionParsnip> szal: try it, you can always install another DE
[13:16] <szal> another thing: how slim an install can one produce?  I was thinking in terms of using the altenate install CD to set up a text-only system and then gradually add things from the repos
[13:17] <szal> so would there be a way to install only the bare minimum of KDE instead of the full desktop?
[13:18] <ActionParsnip> szal: just dont install kubuntu-desktop as you'll get all the gumf you dont want
[13:18] <k0nd0r> how can i install firefox on kubuntu..i downloaded it but its :S only code
[13:19] <ActionParsnip> k0nd0r: sudo apt-get install firefox-3.0
[13:19] <szal> for a comparison, in openSUSE there is a pattern called 'kde3-basic' that installs only what is needed to fire up X and a KDE desktop w/ as few things as possible
[13:19] <ActionParsnip> szal: you got some research to do dude
[13:19] <k0nd0r> thanks i ll try it
[13:19] <szal> heh
[13:22] <ActionParsnip> k0nd0r: most apps are einstalled from repos
[13:23] <k0nd0r> repos = ?
[13:23] <k0nd0r> the command is sudo apt-get install name?
[13:23] <k0nd0r> for .package files?
[13:23] <k0nd0r> file extensions*
[13:24] <courtjesterg> ok hang on
[13:24] <szal> .package?
[13:24] <k0nd0r> i got aMSN and it has extension .package
[13:24] <k0nd0r> see there...http://www.amsn-project.net/linux-downloads.php
[13:25] <k0nd0r> i want to install a client for msn messenger
[13:25] <ActionParsnip> !repo
[13:25] <courtjesterg> ok how do you want me to paste my x.config?
[13:26] <ActionParsnip> k0nd0r: sudo apt-get install amsn
[13:26] <ActionParsnip> k0nd0r: or replace amsn with pidgin
[13:26] <k0nd0r> k0nd0r@ubuntu:~$ sudo apt-get install amsn
[13:26] <k0nd0r> Reading package lists... Done
[13:27] <k0nd0r> Building dependency tree
[13:27] <k0nd0r> Reading state information... Done
[13:27] <courtjesterg> been told not to paste in window so where do i paste
[13:27] <k0nd0r> E: Couldn't find package amsn
[13:27] <k0nd0r> sorry for flooding
[13:27] <ActionParsnip> k0nd0r: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install amsn
[13:27] <szal> k0nd0r: have Universe enabled?
[13:27] <k0nd0r> from where?:P
[13:28] <k0nd0r> its downloading somthing;)
[13:28] <szal> should already be in the sources.list, you just need to uncomment it
[13:28] <ActionParsnip> k0nd0r: its from the repos
[13:28] <k0nd0r> i just installed kubuntu...first time working with linux..thanks..
[13:29] <ActionParsnip> k0nd0r: you wont actually download many apps as what you need is in repos
[13:29] <k0nd0r> oh..nice..
[13:30] <ActionParsnip> !paste > courtjesterg
[13:32] <k0nd0r> thanks actionparsnip
[13:32] <k0nd0r> i am ok now with amsn;)
[13:32] <ActionParsnip> k0nd0r: anytime
[13:33] <ActionParsnip> k0nd0r: and cli installs
[13:33] <k0nd0r> cli installs?
[13:33] <k0nd0r> =?
[13:33] <ActionParsnip> !cli
[13:33] <k0nd0r>  i ll get a manual for linux:P i ll learn..so that i wont ask all the time:P
[13:33] <courtjesterg> http://paste.ubuntu.com/71844/
[13:34] <ActionParsnip> k0nd0r: you have one, man <command you want a manual on>
[13:34] <courtjesterg> no fonts bug
[13:34] <k0nd0r> yes i know that command..
[13:34] <k0nd0r> man man:D
[13:35] <ActionParsnip> k0nd0r: exactly
[13:35] <k0nd0r> !pidgin
[13:35] <k0nd0r> ah...i know that one:P
[13:37] <ActionParsnip> !amsn
[13:38] <ActionParsnip> !info amsn
[13:38] <ActionParsnip> amsn has support for webcams, pidgin doest. pidgin supports multiple protocols, amsn doesnt
[13:38] <ActionParsnip> depends on your needs
[13:38] <szal> Kopete works fine for MSN
[13:38] <k0nd0r> pidgin has also encryption
[13:46] <a> is there a hotkey for show desktop in ubuntu?
[13:48] <k0nd0r> it takes alot of time to install firefox or?..:S
[13:55] <ActionParsnip> k0nd0r: shouldnt do, depends on connection speed and how much needs updating to go with it
[13:55] <bibstha> does kde have a colour picker?
[13:56] <Dr_willis> kcolorchooser - color chooser and palette editor for KDE 4
[13:56] <Dr_willis>  apt-cache search color
[13:58] <bibstha> Dr_willis: thanks lemme try
[14:03] <DarkTan> ok, skype thinks i can hear what it has to say....but i can't. using a sound blaster 32 card
[14:03] <DarkTan> any ideas?
[14:04] <twylight> good morning
[14:04] <DarkTan> mornin'
[14:09] <ActionParsnip> good ol sb32 :)
[14:10] <szal> good ol' ES1371 :)
[14:12] <ActionParsnip> you know it
[14:13] <bodi> is there a way to add custom app launchers in kde4 ? (using intrepid)
[14:13] <ActionParsnip> bodi: you you mean like katapult?
[14:13] <ActionParsnip> !launcher
[14:13] <ActionParsnip> !katapult
[14:14] <bodi> ActionParsnip: ahh, I thought adding icons to the bottom panel was still possible
[14:14] <ActionParsnip> bodi: yeah totally
[14:14] <BluesKaj> 'morning
[14:14] <ActionParsnip> bodi: right click and add a widget to run the app
[14:14] <ActionParsnip> 14:16 here BluesKaj, g'afternoon ;)
[14:14] <bodi> but I can only add things like the standard kde menu, or the moon phase widget ( o_O ) ... nothing useful
[14:15] <ActionParsnip> bodi: to add to the kde menu run kmenuedit
[14:15] <bodi> ActionParsnip: no I was trying to add to the standard panel (that includes the time, desktop icons, etc)
[14:15] <k0nd0r> Hello, you either have JavaScript turned off or an old version of Adobe's Flash Player. Get the latest Flash player.
[14:16] <bodi> ActionParsnip: so I open the Add Widgets dialog, search for konsole ... nothing comes up
[14:16] <k0nd0r> i did..sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
[14:16] <k0nd0r> Download done.
[14:16] <bdgraue> ActionParsnip: he want to add an application launcher (some of his favorite apps ) to the panel
[14:16] <k0nd0r> Flash Plugin installed.
[14:16] <ActionParsnip> k0nd0r: are you running 64bit ir 32bit?
[14:16] <bodi> ActionParsnip: then I look into Utilities ... nothing as well
[14:16] <mercutio22> the windows partitioner deleted all my partitions!!! Testdisk found all of them but I am not sure how to recover them. Can someone help me out? http://www.pastebin.ca/1256144
[14:17] <apadox_> how to make taskbar smaller
[14:17] <ActionParsnip> bodi: i dont know about those, i dont use kwin
[14:17] <k0nd0r> oh...its ok now...
[14:17] <k0nd0r> 64 bit..
[14:17] <ActionParsnip> k0nd0r: ok cool
[14:17] <bodi> ActionParsnip: ah I see. thanks
[14:17] <ActionParsnip> k0nd0r: if its ok then cool :)
[14:17] <k0nd0r> but I opened it from konqueror:P
[14:17] <k0nd0r> from ff its ok:P
[14:18] <patricia> ola
[14:18] <ActionParsnip> k0nd0r: try sudo apt-get install nsplauginwrapper && nspluginwrapper -i /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so
[14:18] <patricia> que es esto?
[14:18] <ActionParsnip> k0nd0r: if you get no flash, use that
[14:18] <twylight> !es
[14:19] <mercutio22> I am desperate here
[14:19] <mercutio22> please help me out
[14:19] <twylight> what's the problem, mercutio22
[14:19] <k0nd0r> from firefox i get flash but from conqueror no...i use ff so no prob:P ..ah...where can i find all the program list that i can install with sudo apt-get install ...[name]
[14:20] <ActionParsnip> k0nd0r: apt-cache search <something>
[14:20] <bdgraue> k0nd0r: try adept manager
[14:20] <ActionParsnip> k0nd0r: or use a gui app like synaptic / adept which will let you search with a (slow) gui
[14:20] <k0nd0r> E: Couldn't find package nsplauginwrapper
[14:21] <k0nd0r> plugin?:P
[14:21] <ActionParsnip> yep, delete the a character
[14:21] <ActionParsnip> :)
[14:21] <k0nd0r> o
[14:21] <k0nd0r> :P
[14:21] <k0nd0r> yeye..
[14:21] <ActionParsnip> sp
[14:21] <k0nd0r> thanks
[14:22] <k0nd0r> nspluginwrapper is already the newest version.
[14:22] <k0nd0r> ;)
[14:22] <ActionParsnip> ok then the command will now run and flash will be ok
[14:22] <twylight> let's play the highest uptime game
[14:23] <genii> I think you want konqueror-nsplugins   or konqueror-nsplugins-kde4
[14:24] <genii> twylight:  9:23AM  up 472 days, 16:26, 6 users, load averages: 0.03, 0.11, 0.06
[14:24] <twylight> over a year wow
[14:24] <ActionParsnip> twylight: not bad man
[14:25] <twylight> haha no, my uptime is less than 24 hours at this point
[14:25] <twylight> this is a fresh install
[14:25] <apadox_> how can i set size of panels
[14:26] <mercutio22> twylight, I lost all my partitions
[14:26] <mercutio22> twylight, I can see and access them with testdisk
[14:26] <mercutio22> twylight, I just don't know how to recover them
[14:26] <BluesKaj> !grub | mercutio22
[14:27] <mercutio22> BluesKaj, its not a grub problem
[14:27] <twylight> partition stuff is lost on me
[14:27] <mercutio22> http://www.pastebin.ca/1256144
[14:27] <ActionParsnip> twylight: its simple dude
[14:28] <DarkTan> ok, skype thinks i can hear what it has to say....but i can't. using a sound blaster 32 card
[14:28] <DarkTan> any ideas?
[14:28] <BluesKaj> !gparted | mercutio22
[14:28] <mercutio22> BluesKaj, http://www.pastebin.ca/1256144
[14:28] <BluesKaj> yeah i saw your partitions , you may have to activate them again
[14:29] <mercutio22> BluesKaj, do you know how to ?
[14:30] <BluesKaj> it happened to me with a windows partition once , but I used gparted to reactivate it , or ultimate boot disk might work too
[14:30] <khakane> could someone help me out? running Hardy Kubuntu, i plug an USB drive in machine, and the device does not show  up in dolphin anymore.  worked fine for months..  when i plugin i DO get a /dev/sd* assignment, but wont show up in dolphin  places
[14:31] <BluesKaj> khakane: does it show up in konq ?
[14:31] <mercutio22> BluesKaj, gparted just shows one big unallocated space
[14:31] <khakane> i dont have konq installed
[14:31] <khakane> no idea
[14:32] <BluesKaj> konqueror that is
[14:32] <khakane> ya i get what you're saying, and no i dont have it installed
[14:32] <khakane> that program sucks heh
[14:32] <BluesKaj> too bad , I fing konq quite useful
[14:33] <BluesKaj> find
[14:33] <Dr_willis> khakane,  try mounting it manually?
[14:33] <khakane> i can mount it manually no problem
[14:34] <Dr_willis> check fstab. make sure theres not an ectra entry for  /dev/sda or sdb or somthing similer.
[14:35] <Dr_willis> I did a usb thumbdrive install and noticed that my first thumbdrive wouldent mount afterwards.. butr the 2nd i plugged in did. :)
[14:35] <Dr_willis> had a 'cdrom' entry pointing to /dev/sda
[14:35] <khakane> ive got 2 devices plugged in atm
[14:35] <khakane> neither one are showing up, and one is assigned /dev/sde which ive never used before
[14:36] <mercutio22> j #testdisk
[14:37] <BluesKaj> mercutio22:  what testdisk ?
[14:37] <mercutio22> BluesKaj, its a program that recovers partitions and data
[14:38] <mercutio22> BluesKaj, I can't find anyone experienced with it though
[14:38] <BluesKaj> never used it
[14:38] <ActionParsnip> mercutio22: if the data has been written over, its gone
[14:39] <twylight> !testdisk
[14:39] <twylight> epic fail
[14:39] <ActionParsnip> mercutio22: otherwise you can create an image of the partition with dd_rescue and get the data from the image it creates
[14:39] <ActionParsnip> mercutio22: after you have fsck'd it
[14:39] <ActionParsnip> mercutio22: you really should have a backup of your data, but i guess you learned the hardest way
[14:39] <szal> !info testdisk
[14:40] <khakane> guh i wish i could find someone who actually knew the backend of linux to help explain why this isnt working
[14:40] <ActionParsnip> khakane: try #gentoo
[14:40] <ActionParsnip> !info dd_resuce
[14:40] <ActionParsnip> !info dd_rescue
[14:40] <ActionParsnip> gah
[14:40] <khakane> they will just tell me to join #ubuntu
[14:41] <khakane> and then they will tell me to join #kubuntu
[14:41] <khakane> and then im right back here bouncing ideas off the wall
[14:41] <k0nd0r> bye all....
[14:41] <k0nd0r> thanks for helping me
[14:41] <k0nd0r> cya
[14:41] <mercutio22> ActionParsnip, I am not sure its writen I think I just lost the partition table
[14:42] <mercutio22> ActionParsnip, ubuntu is backed up alright, I just don't wanna reinstall windows and all the games]
[14:42] <genii> mercutio22: There seems a fairly comprehensive site here about testdisk : http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk_Step_By_Step
[14:43] <mercutio22> genii, know, but I can't comprehend it very well thats why I am seeking help
[14:43] <ActionParsnip> mercutio22: you'd only restore the data you need, not the whole thing
[14:43] <mercutio22> ActionParsnip, but everything seems to be there
[14:44] <courtjesterg> see this is where i get confused i uninstall my graphics driver 96 the severx and hardware drivers of couarse i didn't restart nort stupid lol, but say if i reinstalled hardware drivers it will reccomend 96 and want me to activate it and x.server always say i use 96 version even if i download 71 or 173 or 177 so is it not just displaying correctly in the x server if i used another driver besides 96? Cause i know fonts work on 173
[14:44] <courtjesterg> and 177 dunno about 71 even envy say 71 would work but recoomends 96
[14:44] <Kubuntuuuuuu> does anyone know how to solve the "no sound" issue on ubuntu ?
[14:44] <ActionParsnip> mercutio22: then you dont need any data recovery if its all there
[14:45] <courtjesterg> hardware driver and x server never displays any other driver i use besides 96
[14:45] <mercutio22> ActionParsnip, what I need is to recover my partition table properly
[14:45] <courtjesterg> 96 is always in there application even if i uninstalled 96 and used say 173
[14:45] <ActionParsnip> mercutio22: then i have no idea, id personally wipe it and restore so you know its good
[14:45] <genii> mercutio22: What was the thing you did which erased it? (if you know)
[14:45] <ActionParsnip> mercutio22: an fsck may help
[14:46] <ActionParsnip> !nosound | Kubuntuuuuuu
[14:46] <ActionParsnip> Kubuntuuuuuu: run lspci and you will see your soundcard in the list,, you can websearch from there
[14:47] <genii> lspci -nn     is very useful because it gives vendor:device  code
[14:47] <khakane> could someone help me out? running Hardy Kubuntu, i plug an USB drive in machine, and the device does not show   up in dolphin anymore.  worked fine for months..  when i plugin i DO get a /dev/sd* assignment, but wont show up  in dolphin  places
[14:47] <twylight> guys
[14:48] <mercutio22> ActionParsnip, the problem is fsck wont work on ntfs right?
[14:48] <BluesKaj> Kubuntuuuuuu: open alsamixer in the terminal and make sure all volctrls are up to 70 or so , any higher will cause distortion.Use the arrow keys and make sure mute (mm) is off on all ctrls that you plan to use
[14:48] <twylight> does anyone else have cmatrix installed?
[14:48] <courtjesterg> i have build in amd sound and creative auidy i used my amd and set the preffer to it
[14:48] <mercutio22> genii, I deleted the dell recovery partition from the vista partitioner, and it messed up everything else in the morning
[14:48] <mercutio22> genii, I suspect the data is intact though
[14:48] <courtjesterg> also in kmixxer  edit channels click on pc speaker so it shows up and make sure it isnt muted cause default it is muted
[14:49] <BluesKaj> Kubuntuuuuuu: unmute by using the "m" key
[14:50] <genii> mercutio22: If the numbers given there in your paste from testdisk are exactly accurate you could use (linux) fdisk on commandline to just reinstate the partitions. It will not want to format them like gparted or so
[14:50] <courtjesterg> khakane i have the same problem i have 2.0 usb ports even in windows for some odd reason they stoped working after a time dunno why even went out and bought a pci slot usb card
[14:50] <Kubuntuuuuuu> BluesKaj: all of those are up ..
[14:50] <Kubuntuuuuuu> no sound still
[14:50] <ActionParsnip> mercutio22: boot to bartpe and scandisk
[14:50] <courtjesterg> some usb still work dunno whats up wwith that
[14:50] <khakane> my ports work fine
[14:51] <twylight> hooray for usb 3.0
[14:51] <courtjesterg> yeah my ports say they work fine my bios has plug and play enable but some usb devices don't work
[14:51] <courtjesterg> even in windows it all odd
[14:52] <courtjesterg> when i was using them
[14:52] <khakane> well all of devices and ports work
[14:52] <khakane> no problems there
[14:52] <BluesKaj> Kubuntuuuuuu: all have "00" in the box at the bottom ?
[14:52] <khakane> just nothing is notifying dolphin a device was plugged in
[14:52] <egonw> I have the problem with Kubuntu intrepid that all windows automatically maximize... already mv .kde into .kde.old, checked kwin to be used, but problem remains... suggestions?
[14:52] <Kubuntuuuuuu> BluesKaj: no it's around 70 as you told me to
[14:53] <twylight> !d3lphin | programs that should not have replaced konqueror:
[14:53] <ubuntu_> Sysinfo for 'ubuntu': Linux 2.6.27-7-generic running KDE 4.1.2 (KDE 4.1.2), CPU: Intel(R)CeleronCPU1100MHz at 1102 MHz (2205 bogomips), HD: 1/1GB, RAM: 488/494MB, 114 proc's, 29.44min up
[14:53] <ubuntu_> sysinfo
[14:53] <khakane> wow how can you call dolphin bad
[14:53] <khakane> you guys like browsing files with a bloated web browser?
[14:53] <BluesKaj> Kubuntuuuuuu: at the bottom of the slider ctrl there a small box which either has an M in it or 00 , make sure the box shows 00.
[14:54] <twylight> I simply dislike dolphin
[14:54] <khakane> i have a few issues with it, but its linux
[14:54] <khakane> there are issues with *
[14:54] <twylight> and if you have issues, find a workaround
[14:54] <twylight> my workaround was going back to konqueror
[14:54] <khakane> why you think im in here asking questions?
[14:54] <khakane> hah
[14:55] <ActionParsnip> twylight: you could try thunar
[14:55] <ActionParsnip> twylight: or rox
[14:55] <twylight> I prefer konqueror
[14:55] <ActionParsnip> twylight: then use it
[14:55] <twylight> it's served me well for over two years
[14:55] <manuel_> hi
[14:56] <ActionParsnip> twylight: sounds like me and kde
[14:56] <genii> mercutio22: I would suggest to boot to livecd and use fdisk from inside Konsole from there. This way you can be here also for guidance
[14:56] <manuel_> wie kann ich in der shell alle verzeichnisse und unterverzeichnise auflisten lassen ? und wie sieht der befehl für nur Dateien aus?
[14:56] <manuel_> danke
[14:56] <ActionParsnip> !de | manuel_
[14:58] <khakane> ok my devices work fine in thunar
[14:58] <khakane> so this is obviously some problem in dolphin
[14:58] <ActionParsnip> khakane: thunar is pretty nice
[14:58] <khakane> yea and it seems its not single-click by default
[14:59] <khakane> couldnt STAND that about dolphin
[14:59] <ActionParsnip> khakane: i use cli for file management
[14:59] <twylight> oh man
[14:59] <twylight> one time I was playing around as root
[15:00] <twylight> and I chmodded chmod to 555
[15:00] <khakane> ActionParsnip: i normally do, but there are times when i plugin USB device, and i dont feel like tailing a log to see what device name it was given
[15:00] <apadox> how to se global shortcuts?
[15:00] <khakane> when i could just 2x click it in filemanager and get a mount
[15:00] <apadox> set*
[15:00] <khakane> OMG check this
[15:00] <khakane> after installing thunar, dolphin works
[15:01] <ActionParsnip> khakane: then add an entry in fstab and it'll always mount the same :)
[15:01] <ActionParsnip> khakane: weird
[15:01] <khakane> ActionParsnip: i plug in different drives every time, that would be a MESS lol
[15:01] <ActionParsnip> khakane: thats how I roll
[15:01] <khakane> i never plug the same drive in twice
[15:02] <khakane> i do manual hand cleaning of windows machines in my linux
[15:02] <ActionParsnip> or just type mount with no params and it'll show whats mounted ;)
[15:02] <genii> khakane: Thats why you use UUID and not /dev/sdX names in the fstab. Then you plug in any number of drives
[15:02] <khakane> genii: im talkin, 1000s of devices
[15:02] <khakane> there is no way im making fstab entries for them when i will never plug them in again
[15:02] <apadox> how to set global shortcuts? and can I automount ntfs volumes on login
[15:02] <genii> khakane: There are bullions of UUID :)
[15:02] <genii> *billions
[15:02] <khakane> sure but why bother with them if im only ever gonna use it once?
[15:05] <apadox> anyone?
[15:05] <genii> khakane: Because what happens: You plug HD1 in. It takes /dev/sdd (for instance). You unplug. Plug in HD2. Even now that HD1 is not there a spot is reserved for it of /dev/sdd and then HD2 needs to become /dev/sde   and so on
[15:05] <apadox> when i google it it only looks for konqueror shortcuts
[15:06] <twylight> global shortcuts?
[15:06] <twylight> you mean like hotkeys?
[15:07] <apadox> yes
[15:07] <twylight> go into system settings
[15:07] <apadox> and ...
[15:07] <twylight> see the keyboard icon?
[15:07] <twylight> click that
[15:07] <apadox> thx
[15:08] <twylight> no prob
[15:08] <khakane> genii: thats not true
[15:08] <twylight> what is this desktop effects foolishness
[15:09] <khakane> i can unplug drives and plug new ones in and still get /dev/sdd or whatever the first one was
[15:10] <Riddell> JohnFlux: you moved kformula to kdelibs?
[15:11] <khakane> genii: if you are getting those, maybe you should stop using UUIDs :)
[15:11] <Riddell> JohnFlux: there's a load of icons that need put into kdebase-runtime (using the oxygen namespace preferably), icons shouldn't be in kdelibs
[15:12] <twylight> am I the only one here that obsessively runs fortune when bored
[15:14] <egonw> I have the problem with Kubuntu intrepid that all windows automatically maximize... already mv .kde into .kde.old, checked kwin to be used, but problem remains... suggestions?
[15:18] <courtjesterg> call me nuts but i installed the gnome hardware driver this in return when i thought it would install like the kde hardware driver it installed actually the synaptic package manager now when i opened it to my surprise it says i  have stuff installed of which would show up in adept was uninstalled also shows lots of other graphics drivers for 96 version
[15:18] <courtjesterg> any insight on this?
[15:19] <BluesKaj> courtjesterg:  perhaps you could rephrase so the rest od us can understand what you mean
[15:19] <BluesKaj> of
[15:19] <twylight> have you taken any mind altering drugs recently?
[15:20] <courtjesterg> i unstalled stuff like envy and such the hardware driver app x server and 96 then i installed the gnome hardware driver app in adept
[15:20] <Riddell> egonw: try moving /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde4-profile/default/share/config/kwinrulesrc and ~/.kde/share/config/kwinrulesrc out the way
[15:21] <courtjesterg> i thought it was going to install another program looking like the kde hardware driver app in adept
[15:21] <courtjesterg> instead install the synaptic package manager which shows more drivers especially for 96
[15:21] <twylight> I think I broke the package manager again
[15:21] <courtjesterg> also shows the stuff i uninstalled in adept is currently installed
[15:22] <dennister> genii: r u available at all, or lurking?
[15:22] <courtjesterg> does it have to do with the fact maybe i need to restart but not doing that cause i uninstall my graphics in adept and have done that before nothing would show on screen wheni reboot
[15:23] <genii> dennister: I'm around casually for small help. But work needs me a lot today so I'm avoiding marathon sessions
[15:23] <BluesKaj> courtjesterg: i used this page to guide me thru editing xorg in order to get my ati card running 3D and DRI http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Intrepid_Installation_Guide
[15:24] <courtjesterg> i am not using ati but nvidia
[15:24] <BluesKaj> courtjesterg: maybe there's an equivalent for your graphics
[15:25] <egonw> Riddell: no, that does not help :(
[15:25] <telmessos> Hi all. I just installed Kubuntu's latest version. I want to enable the USB wireless device. Anyone can help me to do it? When I enter lsusb command I get a result of http://paste.ubuntu.com/71884/
[15:25] <telmessos> how can I make it run???
[15:25] <BluesKaj> courtjesterg: you have to do some google-linux searching to find the how to's specific to your situation
[15:27] <BluesKaj> hi dennister  : )
[15:27] <telmessos> noone can help ???
[15:28] <dennister> BluesKaj: hi back :)
[15:28] <dennister> can't stay long today, leaving in an hour
[15:28] <egonw> Riddell: tried rm -Rf .kde a couple of times now... and removed the kwinrulesrc and kwinrc from kubuntu-default-settings
[15:28] <BluesKaj> courtjesterg:  if you decide to use an open source driver make sure you remove the proprietary driver first, otherwise the proprietary will be the default even if both drivers are installed
[15:29] <testi> I use Intrepid, I installed gtk-qt-engine-kde4 and gtk applications now have my kde-4 style, however fonts are way too big and I'd like to change this, but my changes in system settings are ignored.
[15:30] <testi> Oh, now they're no longer ignored though I restarted firefox several times
[15:30] <telmessos> it is great to be ignored by everybody :D thanks all
[15:31] <BluesKaj> !ndiswrapper | telmessos
[15:31] <telmessos> BluesKaj: do I have to install ndiswrapper?
[15:31] <SkEmO> telmessos: im sorry i dont know how to do it
[15:32] <telmessos> SkEmO: anyway thanks mate. ;)
[15:32] <BluesKaj> telmessos:  only if your device isn't supported , but I'm not a wireless user so that's all i can tell you
[15:33] <telmessos> BluesKaj: normally if a device is not supported is shouldn't be listed on the lsusb command. am i right?
[15:34] <genii> telmessos: The Airnet AWU154 requires ndiswrapper
[15:34] <daniil> hello
[15:34] <BluesKaj> lsusb lists what is plugged in if it's recognized , support is another matter
[15:35] <daniil> can i ask a question ?
[15:35] <telmessos> BluesKaj: thanks.
[15:35] <telmessos> I'll try to install ndiswrapper
[15:35] <daniil> what is the command in kubuntu to check how my HDD is parted
[15:35] <genii> daniil: sudo fdisk -l
[15:36] <daniil> oki - i try =)
[15:36] <daniil> thanks - and how to check which one is primary and wich is logical ?
[15:38] <daniil> googled a bit but almost all man's pages start with partitioning during the installation process and i have a need to check it on already  installed system
[15:39] <BluesKaj> !gparted | daniil
[15:39] <daniil> well that's a sollution - i just thougth there was a way to do it just in the console
[15:41] <daniil> well - about gparted - i am on kubuntu 8.10 and with repositories tuned to archieve.ubuntu  and i says that such pakage is not found
[15:41] <daniil> =(
[15:46] <daniil> well i guess it was me doing smth stoopid - i realized what to do now - thanks
[15:47] <BluesKaj> daniil:  open adept and make sure third part software sources are enabled
[15:47] <zerotolerance> how do i install firefox in kubuntu?
[15:48] <zerotolerance> i have downloaded the tar but do not know where to extract it
[15:48] <khakane> apt-get install firefox ?
[15:48] <daniil> oh well - i guess in reality i did some typing error , so now i installed that by adept. thanks anyway =)
[15:48] <khakane> mozilla-firefox
[15:49] <zerotolerance> ill try it as soon as i get all the updates done
[15:49] <zerotolerance> didnt relize it was downloadong updates
[15:49] <zerotolerance> i was using ubunut 8.04 for the first time
[15:50] <zerotolerance> and decided to try kubunutu 8.10
[15:50] <zerotolerance> im a noob tolinux but am ready tolearn it
[15:50] <khakane> i havent upgraded to II yet
[15:50] <daniil> well actually gparted don't show exactly primary or logical the partition is. heheh
[15:50] <khakane> too many issues
[15:50] <zerotolerance> really?
[15:50] <zerotolerance> i have a dell mini running 8.04 should i leave it onthere?
[15:52] <telmessos> hi all is there a place where I can download the ndiswrapper apt package as a file and install it to a computer.
[15:53] <legodude_> anyone familiar with debugging udev?
[15:53] <daniil> yeah
[15:53] <legodude_> so
[15:53] <legodude_> I have a rule that I think should work
[15:53] <legodude_> except that it doesn't
[15:54] <daniil> | zerotollerance   - leave 8.04
[15:54] <daniil> no no sorry
[15:54] <legodude_> is there any way to debug it?
[15:54] <daniil> i don't know how to do it =)
[15:54] <legodude_> ah
[15:54] <courtjesterg> which java is everyone using? sun blackdown or ibm jre?
[15:54] <BluesKaj> telmessos: it should be in adept
[15:55] <courtjesterg> i can't find the blackdown plug in that would work with konqueror properly
[15:55] <egonw> Riddell: all info I can find it this line in .xsession-errors: kwin: X Error (error: <unknown>[DAMAGE+0], request: XDamageDestroy[DAMAGE+2], resource: 0x1400eb4)
[15:55] <daniil> : <courtjesterg>  - try sun
[15:55] <wirechief> legodude maybe man udev might help u
[15:55] <egonw> Riddell: can that be the problem? I bug in the ATI driver or so?
[15:55] <courtjesterg> no sun doesn't work properly in konqueror
[15:55] <courtjesterg> blackdown would
[15:55] <courtjesterg> so does anyone know a good link to get it from
[15:56] <courtjesterg> cause blackdown.org is down i beleive
[15:57] <daniil> hmm stupid question - i just installed Ubuntu server (to have PAE in the kernel ) . and now i what to have kubuntu - should i run somth like sudo apt-get install kde4?
[15:58] <courtjesterg> i really hate this chat room when need help and try to get help never actually get help its a bullshit chat room i never actually get anything fix or done with any help here why do i even bother coming to this chat room  grrrrrrrrrrrrrr
[15:58] <BluesKaj> daniil: install kubuntu-desktop
[15:58] <daniil> thanxx =)
[15:59] <daniil> i.e. - apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ?
[15:59] <BluesKaj> yeah use sudo
[15:59] <Riddell> egonw: I wouldn't have thought so
[15:59] <daniil> oki
[15:59] <daniil> sure thing =)
[16:03] <daniil> well it is really funny - on my new HP Pavillion dv7 i can't install XP (even after merging with nLite the needed driver for the chipset, still get the blue screen of death) but ubuntu have no problem
[16:03] <legodude_> yup
[16:03] <legodude_> same with my new laptop
[16:03] <legodude_> XP just bluescreens on load from cd
[16:04] <BluesKaj> daniil:  do you still have vista on it?
[16:05] <TheFuzzball> How do I make and mount an EXT4 Filesystem?
[16:05] <TheFuzzball> I'm running 8.10 btw
[16:05] <daniil> yeah
[16:05] <daniil> i stiil have
[16:05] <daniil> i just leave it unti i try to boot xp once more
[16:05] <daniil> or for gaming
[16:06] <BluesKaj> that's why , xp isn't allowed :)
[16:06] <daniil> well
[16:06] <daniil> i think
[16:06] <genii> TheFuzzball: ext4 is not yet supported
[16:06] <daniil> there might be some hardware trick that hp was forced to put because of th MS request
[16:06] <daniil> i heard some stories about that
[16:07] <daniil> but
[16:07] <daniil> actually they say - if you buy on with vista ultimate pro
[16:07] <legodude_> daniil: you mean to block XP?
[16:07] <TheFuzzball> I'm building an LFS system based on it, but I can't do that if I can't make it in the first place
[16:07] <daniil> you can have the option for downgrade
[16:07] <daniil> yeah
[16:07] <legodude_> no
[16:07] <sorush4_> hi
[16:07] <sorush4_> hi
[16:07] <legodude_> I can't believe that
[16:07] <sorush4_> !ie4linux
[16:07] <daniil> well i just heard =)
[16:08] <legodude_> makes no sense
[16:08] <daniil> and - look - i got a legal XP dictrib , put all drivers inside via nLITE (drivers from the HP site)
[16:08] <daniil> and still - no XP
[16:08] <daniil> sure makes no sense
[16:08] <daniil> but that's the brutal truth
[16:08] <daniil> =)
[16:09] <wirechief> probably needs proprietary drivers from hp
[16:10] <genii> TheFuzzball: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2008-August/005161.html for why it's not in 8.10    . If you are set on having it, perhaps download it from kernel.org or debian unstable/testing and compile
[16:10] <daniil> well - i got them from HP =)
[16:10] <wirechief> the hd drivers too ?
[16:11] <daniil> there were already SATA drivers in the distriv
[16:11] <daniil> there were already SATA drivers in the distrib
[16:11] <daniil> since - well , my older dell latop with sata runs fine with this disk
[16:11] <daniil> ...i think =)
[16:12] <wirechief> well i dunno, but i do know that with lenovo you need specific model drivers from their website to make vista or xp and each is different
[16:12] <sorush4_> hi anyone here used ie4linux on interpid?
[16:12] <daniil> any way, i guess you are right - i just have to incorporate all drivers and them try once more, but for now , i am fine with kubuntu
[16:13] <wirechief> yeah, i really like kubuntu 8.04 and would try 8.10 but have to download at night because of my stupid FAP
[16:14] <Tupac_Shakur> hi
[16:17] <lolren> hi
[16:17] <Tupac_Shakur> re
[16:17] <lolren> all using ubuntu:-/
[16:17] <lolren> :?
[16:17] <lolren> :D
[16:17] <lolren> cools
[16:17] <lolren> ;d
[16:17] <Tupac_Shakur> nop :)
[16:17] <genii> !enter
[16:18] <LjL> lolren: don't do that. thanks.
[16:18] <jhutchins_wk> lolren: No, I have a kubuntu system in an office I never go to any more.
[16:18] <lolren> :)
[16:20] <jhutchins_wk> I run Mandriva on my home desktop and work laptop, build and manage servers using CentOS4, and my home server runs debian and ltsp for my wife's diskless desktop.  The office runs some ancient Gentoo boxes I was supposed to replace, but just when I convinced them to buy new hardware I got a full-time job, so it never happend.
[16:20] <lolren> uau
[16:20] <lolren> :D
[16:20] <lolren> but still linux
[16:20] <lolren> :)
[16:20] <jhutchins_wk> Yep, nothin' but linux for about six years now.
[16:21] <lolren> moa
[16:21] <lolren> :)
[16:21] <lolren> me 2 i hope
[16:21] <lolren> :)
[16:22] <lolren> mai is altii din romania?
[16:22] <lolren> :0
[16:22] <lolren> :-/
[16:22] <genii> !ro
[16:23] <lolren> :)
[16:23] <lolren> ms genii
[16:25]  * legodude_ hates udev
[16:32] <daniil> linux rulezz - my main job is research in the Chemical Physics field
[16:32] <daniil> and well i was not so concerned about the IT stuff and so on
[16:33] <daniil> but just about a year ago i tried first at my home and right after at work kubuntu
[16:33] <daniil> and now each time i reallly need to work on windows i feel kind of frusttrated
[16:34] <daniil> Linux makes feel hmmm well difficult to say but overall much better
[16:34] <genii> daniil: Do you currently have problem with Kubuntu that requires assistance?
[16:34] <daniil> sorry for the offtopic
[16:34] <binMonkey> hi, guys.
[16:35] <binMonkey> is there any way to make the panel autohide in kde4?
[16:35] <jussi01> no
[16:35] <daniil> no now
[16:35] <binMonkey> maybe later?
[16:35] <daniil> this should be implemented in 4.2
[16:35] <daniil> =)
[16:35] <binMonkey> ok.  thanks.
[16:42] <daniil> well i've go a quiestion after all
[16:42] <genii> Go for it :)
[16:43] <daniil> i install kubuntu-desktop , and everything seems to be fine. but now i continues to perform something like - Reloading system log daemon
[16:43] <daniil> and it repeated that already twice
[16:43] <genii> daniil: Possibly your /var is full, or else it's just rotating the logs right now
[16:44] <daniil> well - i guess the second since i 've 60 giga for the / partition
[16:44] <genii> If it's the rotating, might be a clue that there is a lot being logged and maybe look at them
[16:47] <daniil> ah - now i see , it is just a strange bug - in fact in made it once, but the second line after was already the user@machine: but instead of displaing the name it just showed me the previous line -, i.e. Reloading system log daemon/ as soon as i pressed arrow down, it reduced the string to reloading syste / as soon i pressed enter i displayed the normal : user@machine:
[16:48] <daniil> so nothing special after all - some times it is funny just to see the command line to monitor the Ubutu AI =)) hhehe
[16:49] <binMonkey> i'm sorry for another question.  how do i get the plasmoid back that shows files i have in my desktop?
[16:50] <daniil> just add - it is a folder view plasmoid i guess
[16:50] <daniil> =)
[16:50] <ubuntu> hi people, i am trying to install kubuntu 8.10 but when i click on the icon install nothing happends
[16:50] <daniil> try to reboot and install just from the menu without launching
[16:51] <daniil> the kubuntu
[16:51] <daniil> if doesn't help
[16:51] <maroe> yeah thats what i did
[16:51] <lee> Good day or evenin which ever may be the case :) ok thi is my question...Is there a way to take an ISO and well basically instead of using DVD roms Use a HDD instead to install them to a primary HDD , I know it sounds kind of corney but, I need to conserve DVDs
[16:51] <maroe> no it seems i am on the live version
[16:51] <daniil> hmmm...strange
[16:51] <maroe> yes it is
[16:51] <daniil> check the disk for consistency
[16:51] <lee> hm did you do a media check?
[16:51] <maroe> yeah i will brb
[16:51] <daniil> maybe you'll have to reburn
[16:51] <maroe> yeah maybe brb laters
[16:52] <maroe> thanks everybody
[16:52] <daniil> tell us how it went
[16:52] <daniil> =)
[16:53] <lee> in other words can I reverse engineer the disk to wirk from a HDD rather then a rom
[16:53] <daniil> | lee : well maybe with WUBI ?
[16:53] <lee> ahh waht is WUBI?
[16:53] <daniil> wubi is a windows installer for UBUNTU
[16:53] <daniil> =_
[16:53] <theseus> Hi, I've a problem with my kde4 effects. I have Kubuntu 8.10 installes (64 bit) and a nvidia card with nonfree drivers (and 3d). My installation is an upgrade from 8.04. Nearly all effects are working but if i press "alt + tab" I cannot see any effects also not if I have activated them in systemsettings
[16:53] <daniil> check the wiki
[16:54] <lee> I also have a disk that is live and has no install feature and verry much would like to get that up and running :(
[16:54] <lee> Eh Isearched till 2 am in the morning lol
[16:54] <daniil> ?? well liveCD should give you the possibility to install
[16:55] <lee> hmm is it hidden?
[16:55] <daniil> so - just check the CD for consistency and if it fails burn another one
[16:55] <lee> its the disk called ArtistX
[16:55] <daniil> &
[16:55] <daniil> ?
[16:55] <daniil> eh ?
[16:55] <daniil> what's that
[16:55] <lee> the person made am immage with out an install feature
[16:55] <lee> its a disk that has variouse audio and vdeo editing software on it
[16:55] <daniil> well - you just need to burn a normal one
[16:56] <daniil> install and if you need  - just use that artistX disk as a local repository
[16:56] <daniil> so you could  use all that stuff
[16:56] <lee> ah ok..hmm..its a debian based disk
[16:57] <daniil> well then just donwload the packages
[16:57] <lee> I was trying to figure out how to net install that
[16:57] <lee> ahh ok
[16:57] <lee> waht pacakges would I be looking for?
[16:57] <daniil> well  - look. on the disk AristX - there should be all that programs what you need
[16:57] <lee> the persondid alow a back door accress to be able to change the password so we can become root to that
[16:58] <daniil> just install normally ubuntu
[16:58] <daniil> and after that
[16:58] <lee> ok I have ubuntu already installed
[16:58] <daniil> just check the repositories, might be that those programs are in the official mirrors
[16:58] <lee> ah ok
[16:59] <daniil> as usual
[16:59] <lee> How many ways are there to make a live DVD?
[16:59] <daniil> sudo apt-cache search
[16:59] <daniil> oh - u guess a lot
[16:59] <daniil> i am not an expert though
[16:59] <lee> ahh
[16:59] <daniil> but check wiki
[16:59] <lee> ok
[16:59] <daniil> this question for sure is regarded
[17:00] <daniil> i mean for _SURE_
[17:00] <daniil> =)_
[17:00] <lee> ahh coolio, well I think its a god thing to learn because there might be a distro one wants to try but not  use up so many cootin picking DVDs lol
[17:01] <lee> *good
[17:01] <lee> well of to the wikis
[17:02] <lee> I guess waht I was trying to say is if the made a Bootable DVD thre needs to be a way to reverse that to made it where you can have a bootable drive lol
[17:02] <slinx> hello
[17:02] <slinx> noob questions, how i change wallpaper lol
[17:02] <daniil> ok - good for you =)
[17:02] <jussi01> slinx: which version of kubuntu?
[17:02] <slinx> 8.10
[17:03] <jussi01> slinx: right click the desktop, desktop settings
[17:03] <slinx> ok i tryed right clicking desktop before didnt work at all lol, thanks for help:D
[17:05] <villoni> !fr
[17:05]  * BluesKaj waits for 8.10 to dev a srnsaver app that links to jpegs in the pictures folder...is that too much to ask ? :(
[17:05] <BluesKaj> !screensaver
[17:06] <BluesKaj> !info screensaver
[17:07] <genii> !info kscreensaver
[17:09] <BluesKaj> genii:  I'd just like to use the pictures folder as a scrnsvr , but there's no option for that
[17:09] <BluesKaj> in 8.10
[17:13] <genii> BluesKaj: Compiz?
[17:18] <lee> hmm
[17:19] <binMonkey> do you guys mind a little off topic post?  i just saw the funniest video.
[17:20] <legodude_> do it binMonkey
[17:20] <legodude_> as long as it is family
[17:21] <binMonkey> w00t!  http://vimeo.com/217893
[17:21] <binMonkey> family friendly i promise.
[17:21] <legodude_> kids are pretty amazing
[17:22] <jussi01> binMonkey: next time please use #kubuntu-offtopic :)
[17:22] <BluesKaj> genii:  no compiz
[17:22] <kulle> hi there.. is it possible to disable the popups in kopete when a contact person logs on?
[17:23] <binMonkey> jussi01: sorry.
[17:26] <courtjesterg> so how come the adept package manager haas a firefox version for linux version 3.03 and when you go to the mozilla site there version is 3.0.4?
[17:27] <kulle> simple, it just haven't been updated yet
[17:27] <courtjesterg> http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/
[17:27] <bluecopper> afternoon
[17:28] <bluecopper> i have a e-systems laptop that is havein a little trouble
[17:28] <bluecopper> the wireless adapter is moving a bit scetchy
[17:29] <bluecopper> i ran lspci to get the type of wireless adapter but it doesnt come up in the list
[17:29] <bluecopper> the lan card shows up tho
[17:29] <genii> bluecopper: try lsusb
[17:32] <bluecopper> ok it realtek RTL8187b any driver updates available
[17:34] <genii> bluecopper: Not that I know of. Should just use the rtl8187 and sky2 drivers
[17:35] <bluecopper> how do i changes the driver
[17:35] <genii> bluecopper: From what to what?
[17:36] <bluecopper> firstly i shud say how do i check which driver its using now and what can i change it to better the performance
[17:36] <bluecopper> the laptop is unable to connect to some networks
[17:37] <bluecopper> and u have to be quite close to connect to some
[17:37] <genii> bluecopper: To see if rtl8187  or sky2  driver is loaded:     lsmod | grep rtl8187           and     lsmod | grep sky2
[17:38] <genii> bluecopper: They should BOTH be loaded. The sky2 is for the usb chipset/interface part of the nic and the rtl8187 is actual driver for the wifi
[17:39] <bluecopper> i get output for rtl8187 but none for sky2
[17:41] <genii> bluecopper:  echo "sky2" | sudo tee -a /etc/modules && sudo modprobe sky2
[17:41] <genii> bluecopper: See if you get any better use after that.
[17:47] <SilentDis> hello, i'm looking for a CD ripper for KDE, it used to be part of the kde-multimedia package in kubuntu 8.04, but i'm unable to locate that metapackage anymore, and i have yet to figure out the new adept front end.  any suggestions?
[17:53] <twylight> hey
[17:53] <twylight> I just bought a new D-Link laptop PC card
[17:53] <twylight> it is apparently not plug and play
[17:53] <SilentDis> hello, i'm looking for a CD ripper for KDE, it used to be part of the kde-multimedia package in kubuntu 8.04, but i'm unable to locate that metapackage anymore, and i have yet to figure out the new adept front end.  any suggestions?
[17:57] <genii> twylight: If it's some wifi card probably look into ndiswrapper
[17:59] <Synergy_Peace> Silent i use ripperx
[17:59] <bluecopper> ok i ran the command the command and got sky2 output gonna test the performance now
[17:59] <twylight> is that a package?
[18:00] <twylight> !info ndiswrapper
[18:01] <twylight> !ndiswrapper
[18:01] <genii> twylight: Yes the packagename is usually ndiswrapper-utils-1.9                 However it needs other things than just installing it
[18:03] <twylight> I'm thinking let's install the drivers on the disc with wine and hope for the best
[18:03] <genii> twylight: I'd recommend against that. But feel free to do as you please :)
[18:05] <twylight> it seems to be working
[18:06] <twylight> epic failure
[18:07] <twylight> it looks like I have an advanced bit of hardware that has no driver support as of yet
[18:08] <genii> twylight: Read the ndiswrapper documentation and then use the driver disk .inf and .sys files under ndiswrapper
[18:12] <Reptile> One noob question: how can I slide and hide the taskbar in Kubuntu 8.1 like in the previous version
[18:14] <defo> hi, is there any possibility of intalling kde3 under kubuntu intrepid? I have a Dell XPS with nVidia 8600 integrated, and KDE4 is too slow
[18:16] <genii> defo: Not officially sanctioned, but: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=963695
[18:17] <KWGoD> E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[18:17] <KWGoD> E: _cache->open() failed, please report.
[18:17] <KWGoD> my laptop gave me this message
[18:17] <KWGoD> please how to fix?
[18:18] <KWGoD> anyone?
[18:19] <KWGoD> AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
[18:19] <KWGoD> wulululululululululululululululu
[18:20] <Lokiase> hello, i'm having problems to connect wireless... when I use a cable it works always, wireless (belkin usb stick), gives me always ip 0.0.0.0 .... can someone help?
[18:21] <defo> Lokiase: try dhclient wlan0
[18:21] <Lokiase> defo: how?
[18:21] <sczgilae> hello
[18:22] <KWGoD> yeah i ned help too
[18:22] <defo> Lokiase: open a terminal, then type it there
[18:22] <Lokiase> ok
[18:22] <Lokiase> gonna try it
[18:22] <defo> what brand is your wireless card?
[18:23] <sczgilae> i have kde4 and in the desktop i put one text file with executable permissions, but when i click it, only open kate, and no execute, anyone knows sometinhg?
[18:24] <Lokiase> defo: "no dhcpoffers received"
[18:24] <KWGoD> E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[18:24] <KWGoD> E: _cache->open() failed, please report.
[18:24] <KWGoD> bout that?
[18:24] <KWGoD> how to fix?
[18:25] <KWGoD> maybe?
[18:25] <KWGoD> lil bit?
[18:25] <defo> Lokiase: lspci | grep -i wireless
[18:25] <KWGoD> smon people smarter than me
[18:25] <defo> is it a usb adapter or a pci one?
[18:25] <Lokiase> usb
[18:25] <Lokiase> wireless belkin usb
[18:25] <defo> what brand?
[18:25] <defo> ok
[18:25] <KWGoD> your mothers brand
[18:25] <kubuntu__> dual boot question...can i install xp after 8.10 without problems?
[18:25] <Lokiase> but defo
[18:25] <Lokiase> its on mythbuntu
[18:26] <Lokiase> not kubuntu
[18:26] <Lokiase> but their the prob is the same
[18:26] <defo> ok, dmesg | tail does it say anything when you plug it in?
[18:26] <Lokiase> there*
[18:26] <KWGoD> .....
[18:26] <KWGoD> herro?
[18:26] <Lokiase> its plugged in, i can choose it, use the encryption, give my psw, and it connects... but ip 0.0.0.0
[18:26] <sczgilae> Lokiase: yes, but be careful with boot.ini,
[18:27] <sczgilae> if you install windows the in boot.ini not appear your linux instalation
[18:27] <defo> if you force the ip, gateway and dns server does it work?
[18:27] <KWGoD> E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[18:27] <KWGoD> E: _cache->open() failed, please report.
[18:27] <Lokiase> i installed mythbuntu from the livecd, only mythbuntu on it
[18:28] <Lokiase> defo, forcing is not a good option, i have 3 pc hare, 2 wired, 1 wireless, the wired works, the wireless not
[18:28] <Lokiase> defo: wireless works but don't give a ip :)
[18:28] <Lokiase> or gateway, ...
[18:29] <sczgilae> i have kde4 and in the desktop i put one text file with executable permissions, but when i click it, only open kate, and no execute, anyone knows sometinhg?
[18:30] <genii> KWGoD: Do what the error suggests. But use sudo
[18:30] <genii> KWGoD: eg: sudo dpkg --configure -a
[18:30] <Lokiase> someone?
[18:31] <sczgilae> i have kde4 and in the desktop i put one text file with executable permissions, but when i click it, only open kate, and no execute, anyone knows sometinhg?
[18:31] <binMonkey> can you use wireless n just buy using a wireless n router and card?
[18:31] <jimmy51_> anyone ever had trouble with s-video out on an intel GMA 950 integrated graphics chip and kubuntu?  i can't get it to vertical sync once xserver starts
[18:31] <genii> Lokiase: If you run afterwards:   sudo dhclient wlan0    (or ath0 or whatever it's called)   does it get a number then?
[18:31] <Lokiase> genii: no
[18:31] <binMonkey> sczgilae: cliking won't do it.  right click it and choose execute.
[18:32] <Lokiase> genii: it says:  "no dhcpoffers received"
[18:32] <unforgiven_> Hi! I have a problem: NetworkManager erase file /etc/resolv.conf every boot. Could anybody help me?
[18:32] <defo> Lokiase: http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2007/02/14/belkin-wireless-g-usb-adapter-in-ubuntu-610-edgy
[18:32] <defo> the link points to rt73 driver, which I also used for my Edimax USB wireless adapter
[18:32] <genii> unforgiven_: Either use networkmanager and put up with it, or manually define your adapter in /etc/network/interfaces
[18:33] <unforgiven_> genii, it defined in /etc/network/interfaces
[18:34] <genii> unforgiven_: If you have a manual entry in there then networkmanager does not alter anything associated with it
[18:34] <Lokiase> defo: dont understand a shit :s
[18:34] <genii> !language
[18:35] <unforgiven_> genii, networkmanager changes only resolv.conf...
[18:35] <Lokiase> afk
[18:36] <genii> unforgiven_: Then you must have defined it as "dhcp"
[18:36] <unforgiven_> genii, iface eth0 inet static
[18:37] <jimmy51_> part of my problem is when i've got the machine in my office, where my vga monitor is.... the TV Out config area is greyed out.  When i take it into where the tv is and boot, the signal is unusable by the tv, so i can't see to config.
[18:37] <besitzer_> sadhao
[18:37] <besitzer_> hallo
[18:38] <caro> hallo
[18:38] <caro> wer kennt sich aus mit laptops_
[18:38] <caro> ?
[18:38] <caro> hallo
[18:38] <caro> ist da wer?
[18:39] <unforgiven_> genii, after reboot in resolv.conf i have only: # Generated by NetworkManager
[18:40] <a> hi, i don't want firefox to cache whole pages, i have no answer on #firefox, anyone know how?
[18:41] <caro> i need help
[18:41] <genii> unforgiven_: Please pastebin /etc/network/interfaces
[18:43] <caro> some one here who can german or romania????
[18:43] <a> i don't want it to display an online page if it is not connected as i will fool myself into thinking i have todays info...
[18:43] <a> (have ) fooled myself into thinking this
[18:43] <unforgiven_> http://pastebin.com/m11037eb9
[18:45] <a> hi, i don't want firefox to cache whole pages, i have no answer on #firefox, anyone know how?
[18:45] <a> i don't want it to display an online page if it is not connected as i will fool myself into thinking i have todays info...
[18:45] <a> (have ) fooled myself into thinking this
[18:46] <PerSeL> Hello all
[18:46] <caro> hey
[18:46] <genii> unforgiven_: "auto eth0" has to go above "iface eth0 inet static" line
[18:46] <caro> i need help
[18:47] <genii> !ro | caro
[18:47] <genii> caro: German in #kubuntu-de or #ubuntu-de
[18:48] <genii> unforgiven_: Yoru have also an eth1 which networkmanager DOES configure?
[18:49] <unforgiven_> genii, eth2 disconnected
[18:52] <genii> unforgiven_: Since you have other adapters which are not defined in /etc/network/interfaces the likely issue here is that networkmanager is trying to configure them auto, which overwrites your resolv.conf
[18:53] <unforgiven_> genii, thank you!
[18:54] <OxDeadC0de> anyone here use amarok-nightly from neon? were you able to install amarok-nightly-kdelibs from today ?
[18:54] <OxDeadC0de> I get the dpkg error (with adept, update-manager, and sudo apt-get upgrade) of trying to overwrite `/opt/amarok-nightly/share/kde4/servicetypes/plasma-scriptengine.desktop', which is also in package amarok-nightly
[18:54] <abbie> i cant get music cd's to show up in 8.10, but they used to in 7
[18:56] <genii> unforgiven_: There would be one of 2 fast workarounds. 1)  sudo chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf                      or 2) edit /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf   to have 2 lines: supersede domain-name “mydomain.com”;    and: prepend domain-name-servers 192.168.x.x             but replace "mydomain.com" with the search domain usually found in resolv.conf and 192.168.x.x with either router ip or some actual dns
[18:58] <a> who has firefox and it doesnt show old versions of pages when you are not connected to the internet?
[18:58] <genii> !pinning | OxDeadC0de
[18:59] <OxDeadC0de> what's that have to do with anything genii? :P
[18:59] <Timmy> xine seems to have crashed and no sound is coming from amarok or kaffeine
[18:59] <Timmy> how can I fix it?
[18:59] <genii> OxDeadC0de: pin the version you don't want overwritten with a value like 900
[19:00] <OxDeadC0de> genii I do want it overwritten, amarok-nightly doesn't work for me yet :P
[19:03] <genii> OxDeadC0de: Then set it to prefer version from particular repo over others. pinning is very configurable
[19:03] <abbie> some music cd's will show up and play, but others won't - is there some protection or something on them/
[19:04] <OxDeadC0de> my problem isn't preference, it's that both amarok-nightly and amarok-nightly-kdelibs (Dependency of nighly) have the same file and pkg fails because of it
[19:05] <OxDeadC0de> but all is good, amarok-nightly is actually loading for me today and not crashing even without the latest kdelibs for it - yet, I'll just wait till the packages are fixed in the neon repo
[19:08] <TWTNW> hello
[19:08] <OxDeadC0de> !hi
[19:12] <bassem> Hi , why everytime i try to install VLC player ... this error occur ... vlc: Depends: vlc-nox (= 0.9.4-1ubuntu3) but it is not going to be installed ... ?
[19:12] <abbie> what does this mean :  Buffer I/O error on device sr0
[19:12] <OxDeadC0de> abble: Means there was a problem reading the cd in your cdrom
[19:13] <OxDeadC0de> bassem if you go to a console and do sudo apt-get install vlc vlc-nox does it work?
[19:13] <abbie> any reason why? it's new cd
[19:13] <OxDeadC0de> abble cd could be scratched, or it could be a hardware error, or it could be a bad press or burn of the cd
[19:15] <genii> !info vlc-nox
[19:15] <bassem> OxDeadC0de: u may need to look at the whole error at      http://paste.ubuntu.com/71994/
[19:15] <genii> bassem: Are you on Intrepid?
[19:16] <OxDeadC0de> bassem and have you listened to apt-get and done what it suggested ?
[19:16] <OxDeadC0de> apt-get -f install
[19:17] <bassem> OxDeadC0de:  yea i get the same error
[19:17] <bassem> genii:  i did version upgrade from 8.04 to 8.10 ... if that what r u askin abt
[19:18] <ichqirib> SORRY mistak that s all
[19:18] <genii> bassem: Can you pastebin result of:   apt-cache policy vlc-nox
[19:19] <ichqirib> no
[19:19] <ichqirib> rmbr what s that ?
[19:20] <bassem> genii:  check http://paste.ubuntu.com/71999/
[19:20] <genii> ichqirib: You are having a one-sided conversation in a public channel
[19:21] <genii> bassem: You could try specifying version.eg:   sudo apt-get install vlc-nox=0.9.4-1ubuntu3
[19:21] <jonasbet> hi
[19:21] <jonasbet> i have a easy question
[19:21] <jonasbet> how can i be root?
[19:22] <jonasbet> which comand on console?
[19:22] <OxDeadC0de> jonasbet you can run programs as root with sudo, sudo apt-get install example for example
[19:23] <bassem> genii: i think  have problems with the whole multiverse components ... i tried wht u hve said and that was the error http://paste.ubuntu.com/72000/
[19:26] <KhanFused> another simple question - and possibly proof that I'm walking around cross-eyed.  Last I'd heard, (k)ubuntu 8.10 had shipped with some kind of automatic 'install to persistent USB thumbdrive' option/script.  I couldn't see it when running the live CD, or in the wubi installer ...
[19:27] <genii> bassem: Did you do before this:   sudo apt-get update       ?
[19:30] <bassem> genii: i tried it today ... it keeps downloading multiverse and restricted components ... but it halts at some point
[19:31] <bassem> genii: i will check to tell what i exactly read
[19:31] <genii> bassem: You need for the update process to complete well so it has a valid list of packages.
[19:32] <courtjesterg> ok if i was going to download a file should it be .deb .rpm or .tgz? also found out about this little tool
[19:32] <courtjesterg> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_(computing)
[19:32] <JontheEchidna> deb is always preferrable, alien is known to be somewhat dangerous
[19:32] <trappist> .deb, but in general that's not how you install software
[19:32] <OxDeadC0de> .deb, ubuntu is based on debian
[19:33] <JontheEchidna> .tgz is uncompiled source code
[19:33] <OxDeadC0de> it's best to use apt-get/adept if you can
[19:33] <courtjesterg> well i went to adobe and download shockwave plugin
[19:34] <courtjesterg> they aso have i belive flex alpha release
[19:34] <genii> courtjesterg: There is no linux shockwave
[19:34] <anubis> Any linux DJ's out there?
[19:34] <courtjesterg> and adobe reader do i need adobe reader
[19:34] <rmky> I need to buy a new laptop. Where can I find out if kubuntu works on it before I buy?
[19:34] <courtjesterg> adobe has a linux shockwave or i wouldn't be able to download
[19:34] <courtjesterg> ;)
[19:34] <dwidmann> courtjesterg: flash != shockwave
[19:34] <courtjesterg> it would of say platform not supported
[19:35] <courtjesterg> and wouldn't of gave me an option to download it
[19:36] <genii> Who was it had firefox cached pages when in offline? I know the fix now if you're still around
[19:36] <bassem> genii:  i get this error http://paste.ubuntu.com/72004/ .... then when i run update again ... it downloads the same thing over and over ... like i has done nothing b4
[19:36] <OxDeadC0de> courtjesterg why not just sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras to get flashplayer?
[19:36] <courtjesterg> no your right its flash not shockwave omg lol
[19:37] <genii> bassem: You need to do the instructions for the medibuntu keyring, which is on their site
[19:37] <courtjesterg> cause i am begining not to trust that stupid adept get
[19:37] <genii> bassem: See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Medibuntu#Adding%20the%20Repositories
[19:37] <OxDeadC0de> courtjesterg dunno, I don't use adept, I use apt-get, sometimes synaptic
[19:37] <courtjesterg> i install something its out of date or it installs other apps i don't need
[19:38] <dwidmann> courtjesterg: it won't install other things unless they're dependencies, and most of a time there's a good reason for it installing those along with it.
[19:39] <courtjesterg> welli am currently working on the plugins for konqueror gave up on my quest to fix the font with driver 96 graphics
[19:39] <courtjesterg> bug
[19:39] <Lokiase|afk> can someone help me with https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/RalinkRT73#head-cfea35eda750890a23c58873b4183271cc3a650c, dont understand it
[19:41] <courtjesterg> http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/otherversions/
[19:43] <OxDeadC0de> why don't you use network config lokiiase|afk
[19:43] <OxDeadC0de> er, lokiase
[19:43] <bassem> genii: i tried the instructions ... and i got the same key error :S
[19:44] <bassem> when i try to install medibuntu keyring
[19:44] <courtjesterg> so how do i do this in Konqueror can also use the Flash plugin if konqueror-nsplugins is installed
[19:44] <courtjesterg> i checked out the adept plugin
[19:44] <lee__> hello, say I was wondering Ubuntu has a program for making a bootable USB device is there something simular for making a bootable HDD?
[19:45] <OxDeadC0de> bassem what if you do sudo apt-get autoremove && sudo apt-get -f install ? (maybe he has packages from 8.04 still installed somehow that he shouldn't??)
[19:45] <lee__> or will that same prgram also recognise a seperate HDD
[19:45] <lee__> e h if installed on the pc
[19:47] <lee__> meh heck Ill wing it lol
[19:47] <bassem> OxDeadC0de: i got  error about unmet dependencies for the package
[19:47] <bassem>  libxine1-ffmpeg:
[19:49] <lee__> Eh I need to rephrase that question, is there a way that I can make a start up with out losing data on an extrenal USB Drive?
[19:49] <sjdurfey>  anyway to remove duplicate entries from the listings in Amarok when there is only one copy of the file present?
[19:52] <OxDeadC0de> bassem if you run sudo apt-get clean && sudo apt-get -f install then sudo apt-get check do you still get that?
[19:56] <genii> Apologies on lag, work required me
[19:56] <genii> bassem: Did you do the part: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install medibuntu-keyring && sudo apt-get update
[19:56] <genii> bassem: ?
[19:56] <bassem> genii: yea ... and got the same error :/
[19:56] <bassem> abt that key
[19:56] <enoj> I'm running KDE4 remix and my desktop (widgets) are acting weird - what configuration file can I delete to reset my desktop? (positioning of widgets etc)
[19:57] <bassem> OxDeadC0de:  i tried sudo apt-get check .... libxine1-ffmpeg has unmet dependencies which are  "libxine1-ffmpeg" & "libxine1-ffmpeg"
[19:58] <OxDeadC0de> bassem lol what if you do apt-get remove libxine1-ffmpeg ?
[19:59] <bassem> package sun-java6-jre , has unmet dependencies which are ... sun-java6-bin  & ia32-sun-java6-bin
[20:00] <bassem> lolx
[20:01] <bassem> shall i remove sun-java6-jre ?
[20:02] <cuznt> sun-java6-jre  is the important 1
[20:02] <cuznt> imo
[20:04] <mephx> is there a way of getting all 10 caracter words of a file by cat | grepping it?
[20:05] <legodude_> sure
[20:05] <legodude_> with a proper regex
[20:06] <Tupac_Shakur> to live or die in La
[20:09] <legodude_> what's the proper way to go about submitting changes to kubuntu?
[20:09] <bassem> legodude_: what do u mean by submitting changes ?
[20:10] <legodude_> well, I created a udev file to enable easy use of the powermate device
[20:10] <legodude_> as well as some other changes
[20:10] <legodude_> how would I go about submitting those?
[20:10] <legodude_> try and create a package?
[20:10] <bassem> u need to submit or save them ?
[20:11] <legodude_> ?
[20:12] <bassem> OxDeadC0de:  u still there ?
[20:12] <enoj> I'm running KDE4 remix and my desktop (widgets) are acting weird - what configuration file can I delete to reset my desktop? (positioning of widgets etc)
[20:13] <OxDeadC0de> bassem sorry was afk, yeah remove that
[20:14] <bassem> OxDeadC0de:  the same error abt package  libxine1-ffmpeg , havin unmet dependencies
[20:14] <OxDeadC0de> didn't you already remove libxine1-ffmpeg?
[20:15] <bassem> when i tried to remove it gives the same error but with sun-java6-jre: package
[20:16] <bassem> any way to remove the whole thing
[20:16] <bassem> ?
[20:16] <OxDeadC0de> try removing both at once
[20:16] <OxDeadC0de> does anyone else get fps dropping to 30fps with kwin effects alt+tab and zoom (It goes to a stable 30fps so I wonder if it's software forcing it to, instead of hardware/driver issues?)
[20:17] <FerSeL> hello
[20:17] <FerSeL> i need a help with kubuntu just switched from the gnome
[20:17] <FerSeL> and found a problem to install firefox
[20:18] <genii> bassem: Have you tried: sudo apt-get -f install                          or: sudo dpkg --configure -a                     yet?
[20:18] <bassem> i tried the -f install ... zero result
[20:19] <Lokiase> back, still looking to solve the prob in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/RalinkRT73#head-cfea35eda750890a23c58873b4183271cc3a650c
[20:20] <OxDeadC0de> weird, it goes to 30fps when I zoom, 30 fps when I alt+tab, and stays at 30fps when I alt+tab while zoomed (Doesn't drop again) So I think a couple of the kwin effects modules force kwin to redraw at 30fps?
[20:20] <bassem> when i tried to remove both .... the error says " package sun-java6-jre is in very insonsistent state ,, try to reinstall "
[20:21] <bassem> inconsistent*
[20:22] <OxDeadC0de>  sudo dpkg -r --force-depends --force-remove-reinstreq sun-java6-jre
[20:23] <courtjesterg> i didn't know java haaad tuts on there page downloading hte developer pack so cool i can learn and get started early my community college has a online computer science course been thinking about taking for a degree
[20:29] <FerSeL> anyone can tell me how to install  firefox on kubuntu?
[20:29] <OxDeadC0de> that work bassem?
[20:29] <KhanFused> FerSel ... GUI or in console?
[20:30] <FerSeL> KhanFused: I dled it from getfirefox.com
[20:30] <KhanFused> shouldn't have to do it that way -- it's in the ubuntu archives
[20:30] <KhanFused> unless you're looking for the latest point upgrade
[20:31] <stube> FerSel: Should be able install it with Adept Manager.
[20:31] <FerSeL> KhanFused: so how should iinstall firefox on kubuntu
[20:31] <Dr_willis> sudo apt-get install firefox   works for me
[20:31] <FerSeL> it open it as archive
[20:31] <KhanFused> in your software manager -- look in the "internet" sub group for Firefox
[20:31] <KhanFused> select
[20:31] <KhanFused> tell the manager to install it
[20:31] <stube> Dr_willis: that too
[20:31] <KhanFused> or, as Dr Willis suggests, in the shell ... apt-get install
[20:32] <FerSeL> ok i guess done
[20:32] <Dr_willis> theres a reason the shell is popular.. :) concise answers :)
[20:32] <FerSeL> thanks all
[20:32] <stube> I did it with GUI, all went OIK:
[20:32] <stube> *-i
[20:33] <stube> Dr_W: yes, just goming there bit by bit....
[20:33] <stube> *coming
[20:38] <FerSeL> I have problem with my video card: NVIDIA 7300GT
[20:38] <FerSeL> when i'm    using  what  kubuntu suggest me i get errors
[20:38] <FerSeL> and some strange lines etc...
[20:41] <FerSeL> how can i run the driver i dled from nvidia? it's .run
[20:45] <legodude_> when I'm adding a printer
[20:45] <legodude_> it is hanging after selecting the driver
[20:45] <legodude_> any ideas?
[20:50] <ptl> hey
[20:50] <ptl> just took my HP-UX certification
[20:50] <ptl> greetings!
[20:50] <legodude_> !
[20:50] <legodude_> that is still being used!
[20:50]  * legodude_ has nightmares of 10.20
[20:51] <legodude_> is it any good nowadays?
[20:51] <ptl> To my job, very mich
[20:51] <ptl> *much
[20:51] <ptl> it is largely used yet
[20:51] <legodude_> what are you running it on?
[20:52] <legodude_> and why?
[20:52] <ptl> the corporative world is hidden to us, but it exists and sells big
[20:52] <ptl> AIX, HP-UX, Solaris are very much alive and thriving
[20:52] <legodude_> I thought it was basically killed when PA-RISC died
[20:52] <legodude_> yes, I know AIX and solaris
[20:52] <ptl> some clients of my employer use it
[20:52] <legodude_> but HP-UX seems to have lost big
[20:52] <ptl> No... HP-UX runs on Itanium2
[20:53] <legodude_> yes
[20:53] <legodude_> and that's what you're using it on?
[20:53] <legodude_> I didn't know that itanium2 was really being used any more either
[20:53] <ptl> nope, not yet
[20:53] <legodude_> still on pa-risc?
[20:53] <legodude_> j?
[20:54]  * genii tinkers with installing Solaris 10   into a VM
[20:54] <genii> But we grow -ot    ;)
[20:56] <ptl> yes, still on PA-Risc
[20:57] <legodude_> I got rid of all of my pa-risc machines a while ago
[20:57] <legodude_> I did have a soft-spot for the 712
[20:58] <legodude_> but in more non-ot, why would the printer wizard crash?
[20:58] <legodude_> is there any way to debug it?
[21:01] <blek> hello it's again me and i have allway my probleme give me french channel please
[21:02] <Dr_willis> !fr
[21:02] <blek> thank's
[21:04] <ptl> legodude_: install kdelibs-dbg
[21:05] <lee__> Ok I treid to make a boot up disk from the USB using an ISO. and it failed, my dell can boot from a USB Stick as well waht Am I dong wrong?
[21:06] <lee__> its that program that program that is supose to allow you to make a bootable SD card/ or usb stick
[21:07] <lee__> Oh hm this time it says I have to rebbot the other iso didnt say taht lol
[21:07] <Dr_willis> I use unetbootin to create a bootable thumb drive from a iso image file
[21:19] <ian1> Hi, KDE is freezing on login, can someone help me?  It freezes when the world icon (3rd icon) shows up
[21:21] <ian1> anyone?  I've also tried installing xfce4, but that fails to load also and just drops back to kdm
[21:21] <ian1> I can't find a log file that has any error messages, but I don't know where to look specifically
[21:22] <Dr_willis> try a real light window manager like icewm, or jwm
[21:22] <Dr_willis> go to the console,  stop the kdm service and try 'startx' also - see if tha works
[21:22] <ian1> tried that and it doesn't.  Freezes at same point
[21:22] <ian1> haven't tried with xfce4 though
[21:23] <Dr_willis> ati video card?
[21:23] <ian1> nvidia
[21:23] <ian1> it worked great for a while
[21:23] <ian1> don't know what happened
[21:23] <szal> looks like if I want KDE3 then I should better go w/ Hardy than w/ Intrepid..  or does anyone have a better proposal?
[21:24] <Dr_willis> THre are some unofficial kde3 packages out for hardy.. but Ive never used them.. and dont plan to.
[21:24] <Dr_willis> :)
[21:24] <ian1> I'm also having a weird issue with the package manager saying the packages are not-authenticated.. don't know if it's related
[21:24] <Dr_willis> oops i mean for Intrepid..
[21:24] <genii> szal: There is an unsupported 3.5 repo for Intrepid if you like
[21:24] <Dr_willis>  not-authenticated = you dont have the gpg (pgp?) key imported yet.
[21:24] <szal> genii: that I know
[21:25] <ian1> didn't used to do that
[21:25] <ian1> how to get the gpg key?
[21:26] <Dr_willis> the medibuntu site has info on getting theirs... but not sure about others...
[21:26] <ian1> what's the log file to look at for kde
[21:26] <genii> szal: If you need support best to stay on 8.04 + kde3.5
[21:26] <ian1> don't see anything in /var/log
[21:26] <olivierm> hey there
[21:27] <ian1> Anyone know what log file to look at for kde errors?
[21:27] <a> hi, i experience a crash/non response from the help files from the default desktop icon. it is when i search something and it gives me the choice to look online which i do... it gives me a "page not found" and then when i press the bar for the desktop help again it crashes/becomes nonresponsive
[21:27] <courtjesterg> does anybody use Konqueror for web browseing i have flash and java plugins on this browser and for some odd reason the app for facebook and myspace which is called yoville just sits at the load window this i have been trying to fuguire out?
[21:28] <courtjesterg> it ask to install flash i did this
[21:28] <olivierm> would anybody know the dbus way to toggle KWin's compositing on and off?
[21:29] <courtjesterg> even when i use firefox it stops at the start screen
[21:29] <a> anyways, does ubuntu 8.10 support nvidias physx?
[21:29] <courtjesterg> with plugin's
[21:29] <olivierm> there is a (working) keyboard shortcut, but I would like to be able to invoke that from a script
[21:29] <Dr_willis> a ive not seen too mich that supports physx :)
[21:31] <Copelia> !fr
[21:31] <courtjesterg>  does anybody use Konqueror for web browseing i have flash and java plugins on this browser and for some odd reason the app for facebook and myspace which is called yoville just sits at the load window this i have been trying to fuguire out?
[21:31] <courtjesterg> [16:28] <courtjesterg> it ask to install flash i did this
[21:31] <courtjesterg>  even when i use firefox it stops at the start screen
[21:31] <courtjesterg> [16:29] <courtjesterg> with plugin's
[21:36] <White_Pelican> I lost my taskbar in kde 4.1. how do I get it back?
[21:36] <ptl> rm -rf ~/.kde
[21:36] <ptl> or
[21:36] <ptl> if you still have the panel
[21:37] <White_Pelican> then reboot?
[21:37] <White_Pelican> I don't have the panel
[21:37] <ptl> don't?
[21:37] <ptl> wow.
[21:37] <White_Pelican> I just have the add widget button at the top right
[21:37] <ptl> rm -rf ~/.kde then Ctrl-Alt-Backspace
[21:37] <ptl> and log in again
[21:37] <White_Pelican> ok I'll try
[21:37] <White_Pelican> brb
[21:38] <legodude_> how does dragon player output audio?
[21:40] <maxi__> hola
[21:41] <maxi__> hay algun juego mejor que el urban terror .. que de por si esta muy bueno
[21:41] <legodude_> !es
[21:42] <lee__> say does the this "creat a USB start up disk work only for ubuntu ISO's or can other ISOs work aswell?
[21:43] <lee__> Yes dragon player out puts audio as far as I know
[21:44] <Reptile> How do I hide the taskbar ?
[21:46] <emma> Do we think that an nvidia 8000 series would run well on kubuntu?
[21:46] <a> so what would you need to know to make physx drivers run on ubuntu?
[21:46] <a> emma, mine does
[21:46] <emma> a sounds promising..
[21:46] <a> 8600gs emma
[21:46] <david__> #puteo
[21:46] <emma> I want to get a new video card tonight.
[21:46] <a> emma, but not the physx drivers
[21:46] <emma> How can you tell what type of interface you need for your computer?
[21:47] <a> what computer is it?
[21:47] <emma> a - I want to have really nice and full blown graphics. Not hit or miss or problems.
[21:47] <a> emma for what purpose? game sor what?
[21:48] <a> emma dont buy a card unless you are sure you are buying the right interface
[21:48] <a> i have bought cards and sent them back its embarrasing xD
[21:48] <emma> a -- this is my computer -- http://tech.yahoo.com/ps/hp-compaq-presario-sr1750nx/1994276249
[21:49] <emma> a - not really mostly games but i want to have nice graphics and all the pop and wizz
[21:49] <White_Pelican> thanks pTL i GOT IT BACK
[21:49] <White_Pelican> oops
[21:49] <White_Pelican> sorry caps lock
[21:49] <a> its the pci express is the norm for high power cards, emma
[21:50] <emma> what do you mean?
[21:50] <emma> my computer is pci then right?
[21:50] <emma> not pci 2 or something, just pci ?
[21:50] <a> that is the name of the interface PCI express
[21:51] <a> you will have a choice of pci or agp, older cards will do express pci only anyway, emma
[21:51] <White_Pelican> ok, now that I have the interface bacl, is there any way to change the taskbar from that ugly black?
[21:51] <a> emma, do not take agp x)
[21:51] <White_Pelican> back*
[21:51] <emma> okay but my computer can handle pci you think?
[21:51] <a> this one you showed me has pci-e slots
[21:52] <a> its written under "expansion"
[21:52] <a> and an old pci but no agp so dont buy agp or you'll have to send it back
[21:56] <ptl> White_Pelican: yes, just change the style :)
[21:57] <White_Pelican> ptl, where is that?
[21:57] <White_Pelican> is that the one under system settings, Appearance?
[22:00] <aMuleLinux> ?
[22:00] <ptl> White_Pelican: yes
[22:00] <White_Pelican> I'm confused
[22:01] <White_Pelican> obviously :)
[22:01] <lovre> hi all
[22:01] <lovre> is there a plasmoid for temperature monitoring?
[22:01] <marc__> german channel?
[22:01] <White_Pelican> do I change the widget style?
[22:01] <genii> !de
[22:02] <White_Pelican> what do I change under appearance
[22:02] <White_Pelican> ?
[22:02] <marc__> danke
[22:09] <mephx> why don't gtk apps become transparent when inactive when defined so in the effects page?
[22:12] <White_Pelican> hu JontheEchidna can you help me out?
[22:12] <White_Pelican> I'm trying to learn about changes in kde4
[22:13] <White_Pelican> the panel is black (ya know, where the taskbar is) and I want to be able to change the color scheme
[22:13] <White_Pelican> I don't know ho to
[22:13] <White_Pelican> can you help?
[22:14] <uga> White_Pelican: the color scheme is defined by the plasma theme
[22:14] <uga> you cannot change the color alone
[22:14] <uga> White_Pelican: you'd need to edit the theme yourself
[22:15] <White_Pelican> how can I edit the theme?
[22:16] <uga> White_Pelican: themes are based on svg images
[22:16] <uga> you'll have them under /share/apps/desktoptheme/
[22:16] <White_Pelican> is it under system settings?
[22:16] <uga> White_Pelican: no, they are files
[22:16] <White_Pelican> or I need to go to the folder you mentioned?
[22:16] <White_Pelican> ah
[22:17] <uga> White_Pelican: ~/.kde/share/apps/desktoptheme
[22:17] <White_Pelican> OK I think it's becoming more clear
[22:17] <uga> the ones provided within kubuntu are in /usr/share/kde4/apps/desktoptheme/
[22:18] <uga> the ones you installed later, are under
[22:18] <uga> ~/.kde/share/apps/desktoptheme
[22:18] <White_Pelican> ok I have kde 3 and kde 4
[22:18] <uga> White_Pelican: they are vector images (svg) that you can edit
[22:18] <White_Pelican> I should have pointed that out
[22:18] <uga> White_Pelican: yups but still
[22:19] <uga> kde4 desktop (I guess you are running the kde4 desktop)  colors cannot be altered
[22:19] <uga> only by editing those images
[22:19] <White_Pelican> not a good idea imho
[22:19] <aboSamoor> I want to download amarok 2.0 beta3, and the package I have in repository is 1.92.2-0ubuntu1~hardy~ppa2 are they the same ?
[22:19] <uga> White_Pelican: it's designed for artists, not for developers
[22:19] <White_Pelican> hmmm
[22:20] <uga> White_Pelican: and artists dont' know how to define how colors should change
[22:20] <JontheEchidna> aboSamoor: nope, the beta3 packages were only released for Intrepid
[22:20] <White_Pelican> it should be designed for end users ;)
[22:20] <uga> or what widgets would not change and which would
[22:20] <Tm_T> uga: White_Pelican: wrong
[22:20] <uga> Tm_T: ?
[22:20] <uga> Tm_T: in which part
[22:20] <White_Pelican> ?
[22:20] <Tm_T> uga: they can use systemcolours
[22:20] <Tm_T> uga: all widgets, how much they can use, I don't know, but they can use
[22:20] <uga> Tm_T: ah, I didn't know that. How do you embed systemcolors info within the svg?
[22:20] <aboSamoor> JontheEchidna, where can I find the sources so I compile mine ?
[22:20] <Tm_T> uga: you don't have to
[22:20] <uga> Tm_T: you specify replacements?
[22:21] <Tm_T> uga: atleast my plasma settings have options for that
[22:21] <JontheEchidna> aboSamoor: there should be a source download at amarok's website
[22:21] <JontheEchidna> make sure you have amarok-mysql-dev installled from the ppa
[22:21] <Tm_T> uga: config files that is actually but anyway
[22:21] <Tm_T> uga: haven't actually tried if those are followed but should work
[22:21] <uga> Tm_T: where in system settings?
[22:21] <uga> I'm on trunk, but didn't notice this feature
[22:21] <aboSamoor> JontheEchidna, is my version is the beta2 or related to 2.0 or it is old version ?
[22:22] <Tm_T> uga: 0021.27 < Tm_T> uga: config files that is actually but anyway
[22:22] <uga> Tm_T: yes, but I haven't seen it done anywhere =)
[22:22] <JontheEchidna> aboSamoor: 1.92 is beta2 I think
[22:22] <Tm_T> uga: use $EDITOR then (;)
[22:23] <uga> Tm_T: yes, but it's not documented
[22:23] <uga> what to edit and where
[22:23] <aboSamoor> JontheEchidna, if it is beta2 I think i be satisfied with
[22:23] <Tm_T> uga: they have fields there, just alter false to true
[22:23] <uga> Tm_T: and I also wonder how it decides which colors to change and which not
[22:23] <uga> it cannot be done automatically and work fine on any theme
[22:23] <Tm_T> uga: that's a good question, try
[22:23] <uga> without the help of the artist
[22:23] <Tm_T> I think it was tinting or so
[22:24] <White_Pelican> well folks thanks for your help. I've decided to stick to kde3
[22:24] <uga> Tm_T: I've coded custom widgets and it's so hard making them work with any colorset
[22:24] <Tm_T> I see
[22:24] <uga> so I can imagine doing these svg tinted must be much harder
[22:24] <uga> Tm_T: what's black color tinted?
[22:24] <uga> black
[22:24] <uga> =)
[22:25] <uga> you can easily die white, but black...
[22:25] <Tm_T> uga: dunno, I don't have black in my plasma
[22:26] <lovre> is there a plasmoid for temperature monitoring?
[22:27] <Tm_T> is in KDE 4.2 atleast
[22:28] <legodude_> weather temp?
[22:28] <legodude_> or system temp?
[22:28] <Tm_T> system temp I'm sure he's meaning
[22:29] <uga> there's one for system temp and one for weather temp anyway
[22:29] <uga> although weather one claims always rainy =O)
[22:30] <muxomor> Hallo, i have such a problem. Kubuntu Gutsy is running on an AMD 2.1 Ghz , videocard Riva TNT2 32mb. The problem: Today internet connection went down, and after that screen went to blank mode.The comp was restarted, but screen doesnt react at anything. At startup the LED lamps on keyboard are lightniing, but nothing more. IOne can't see grub, can't login and ctrl-alt-delete, ctrl-alt-backspace do not work.I read about such problem on
[22:30] <muxomor> laptops, there solution was to make a battery empty, but what about pc?
[22:30] <lovre> when i try to add new plasmoids and select install from file, there is no superkaramba option...?
[22:33] <david__> Hi I am trying to set up my webcam on 8.10 Kubuntu amd64.. Can anyone help me?
[22:35] <lovre> whats the best archiving software in kubuntu? i have standard Ark, but it has no Extract here.. feature and so on
[22:35] <muxomor> it has
[22:36] <david__> I think I have dolphin
[22:36] <uga> dolphin uses ark
[22:36] <uga> or rather the kio
[22:38] <szal> are there possibilities of having a more recent kernel on Hardy other than building one myself?
[22:38] <lovre> uga: i like ark, but its not integrated in shell, i dont see Extract here.. when i click on a zip file?
[22:38] <uga> in the _shell_?
[22:39] <uga> lovre: you must mean in dolphin, not shell I guess
[22:39] <lovre> uga: sorry, in dolphin...
[22:39] <uga> lol
[22:39] <lovre> uga: yes
[22:39] <lovre> uga: lol
[22:39] <uga> lovre: I have tarballs, and I have extract here as option
[22:40] <lovre> tar.gz?
[22:40] <uga> and same for a zip, I just checked
[22:40] <uga> lovre: yes
[22:40] <uga> lovre: but I'm on kde 4.2 from trunk
[22:40] <lovre> uga: there is no such option in me
[22:40] <lovre> ah
[22:40] <uga> maybe it's some particularity of the kubuntu build
[22:40] <lovre> 4.2 is in beta?
[22:40] <uga> lovre: yes
[22:40] <ralpho> how do you get 4.2
[22:40] <lovre> uga: i cba to install that yet... i would like it on kde4.1 tho :D
[22:40] <uga> lovre: beta status yet, but not in kubuntu, I mean from svn trunk
[22:41] <uga> ralpho: using svn checkout? =)
[22:41] <szal> if you use a beta & find a fault, don't complain, instead file a bug :)
[22:41] <uga> ditto
[22:42] <uga> lovre: I'm still surprised 4.1 didn't have that,... uhm
[22:42] <david__> I am still looking for help with a webcam just in case anyone can help.
[22:43] <lovre> uga: i cant even compress files before running ark and adding...LOL EPIC FAIL
[22:43] <uga> david__: I don't have a webcam, but can I suggest you check dmesg and see what happens? and also check permissions
[22:44] <uga> david__: you could try as root just to test
[22:44] <sumincom> como hago para ver los videos con kubuntu
[22:44] <uga> sumincom: #kde-devel-es
[22:44] <sumincom> no me abren
[22:44] <david__> uga: you mean in Konsole?
[22:44] <uga> sumincom: este canal es solo en inglés...
[22:45] <uga> david__: yes
[22:45] <sumincom> ok
[22:45] <uga> if you type dmesg, you'll see the last events that happenned when plugging the camera
[22:45] <sumincom> sorry
[22:45] <uga> sumincom: no problemo ;)
[22:45] <uga> sumincom: pero te recomiendo usar mplayer o xine
[22:45] <uga> sumincom: y necesitarás algunos drivers googlea "medibuntu"
[22:46] <sumincom> ok
[22:46] <sumincom> gracias
[22:46] <uga> s/drivers/codecs
[22:47] <uga> ouch, I said kde-devel-es instead of kubuntu-es
[22:47]  * uga idiot
[22:48] <david__> [ 1410.981904] usb 2-8: SN9C105 PC Camera Controller detected (vid:pid 0x0C45:0x60FE)
[22:49] <david__> [ 1411.342914] usb 2-8: No supported image sensor detected for this bridge
[22:49] <david__> uga: that is what came up
[22:50] <uga> david__: sounds like the driver didn't support your camera hw
[22:50] <uga> but I'm not the best one to respond to this, given I never owned a webcam
[22:51] <david__> that's ok uga I'll try again later thanks
[22:51] <uga> david__: can you try "lsusb"?
[22:51] <uga> it will tell you the device brand and exact model
[22:58] <\Kira> Is there a way to Alt-Tab out of a fullscreen game? I can do it in wine, but not in native linux games....
[23:01] <sonic__> has anyone been able to get an Andriod G1 phone to mount with 8.10? It worked with 8.04 but stopped about when I installed 8.10.   I  dont even get an option for it to mount. I dont think its being picked up by the kernel even
[23:01] <uga> send me one and I'll try ;)
[23:03] <zerotolerance> so is it worth upgrading to 8.10 yet? i want to put it on my mini
[23:03] <aboSamoor> trying to compile kde 2.0b3 I got this error   'ERROR: Could not find KDE4 kde4-config' ?
[23:13] <Dr_willis> zerotolerance,  only you can decide that - based on your needs.
[23:13]  * Dr_willis has no idea what a 'mini' is
[23:20] <starenka> hi, bought a new hdd for my laptop. now i hear the "clicks" - heads being parked. can anybody tell me if the Load_cycle mania is a FUD or tru? My Load count is 2800 in 7 days....
[23:21] <phil_stone> Is there a tool for managing mount points in kde 4.1?
[23:21] <starenka> !kde4 | phil_stone
[23:21] <starenka> lol
[23:22] <starenka> used to be different channel, right?
[23:23] <phil_stone> OK, in kubuntu at all?  Gnome included?
[23:23] <phil_stone> Or is it vim /etc/fstab?
[23:25] <starenka> well in 3.5 it is in system settings...
[23:25] <phil_stone> Yep.
[23:25] <phil_stone> Thought it might be there in 4.1
[23:25] <phil_stone> but after a hunt, I give up
[23:26] <starenka> :))
[23:26] <phil_stone> vim it is then
[23:26] <Dr_willis> I find it faster to just vi fstab
[23:26] <starenka> you can allways do "sudo nano /etc/fstab"
[23:27] <starenka> phil_stone: http://crap.starenka.net/mp.png
[23:27] <phil_stone> vi messes with screen (or it did in 8.4
[23:27] <starenka> nano is okay
[23:30] <phil_stone> There really wasn't the warnings for kubuntu 8.10, that it was junk
[23:30] <starenka> :p
[23:31] <Dr_willis> if you want to use vim a lot. you proberlm want to install the vim-full package
[23:32] <noaXess> is kde 4.1.3 very diffrent to kde 4.1.2? i mean.. diffrent to 8.04 with kde4?
[23:33] <Dr_willis> 4.1.3 i hear has a lot of bug fix's
[23:33] <Dr_willis> which makes sence. :)
[23:33] <phil_stone> Didn't notice any material changes
[23:34] <Tm_T> there's that too
[23:36] <noaXess> i'm not really shure to upgrade to 8.10
[23:36] <phil_stone> It is missing ALOT from kde 3.5
[23:37] <ptl> for me it was good.
[23:37] <noaXess> yes thats the point
[23:37] <Tm_T> phil_stone: for me it isn't, KDE4 that is
[23:37] <ptl> however I don't think it is for everyone. Besides the lack of features there's still lots of bugs.
[23:37] <Dr_willis> lack of features is a big feature!
[23:37] <Dr_willis> :)
[23:38] <phil_stone> Lack of features, should use ubuntu...
[23:38] <Tm_T> ptl: missing features for who? and what bugs? I haven't any biggies
[23:38] <phil_stone> I agree, I haven't had any big bugs
[23:38] <phil_stone> Good enough for daily use.
[23:38] <Tm_T> small ones, I have one
[23:38] <Tm_T> which isn't bothering me, really
[23:38] <noaXess> features like keyboard shortcuts with win-key, like win+1 for eg. firefox.. try it.. it won't work
[23:39] <Tm_T> noaXess: well, I have shortcuts using win-key
[23:39] <Dr_willis> I just want to drag icons from the menus to the panel...
[23:39] <Dr_willis> :)
[23:39] <noaXess> Tm_T: try win+1 for firefox
[23:39] <Dr_willis> but i guess im extreme!
[23:39] <Dr_willis> :)
[23:39] <Tm_T> noaXess: I don't use firefox
[23:39] <noaXess> Dr_willis: yes.. thats not really easy
[23:39] <noaXess> Tm_T: then with any other app..
[23:40] <ptl> Tm_T: just to tell you an example, on my Intel 965 AGN the icons of applications don't appear in the system tray. Instead, something like broken numbers or a half-KDE-icon appears instead.
[23:40] <noaXess> also panel hiding.. not working
[23:40] <HappySmileMan> Dr_willis: Dragging icons to panel should work in 4.2 I think, you can already drag icons to desktop and from desktop to panel, so I can't imagine it takes much work, and it's definitely a planned feature
[23:40] <noaXess> not yet implemented
[23:40] <Tm_T> noaXess: panel hiding works here
[23:40] <ptl> Tm_T: also, the 'gkrellm fixation bug', an old bug where gkrellm's position suddenly changes when network is connected or disconnected, continues
[23:40] <noaXess> Tm_T: is that included in 4.1.3? in 4.1.2 it won't work
[23:40] <Tm_T> ptl: sounds fun
[23:41] <Tm_T> noaXess: dunno, I use trunk (that's what developers poke on)
[23:41] <Tm_T> noaXess: could be in 4.1.3
[23:41] <noaXess> hm..
[23:41] <ptl> Tm_T: and my setup of khotkeys for screen lock using dbus does not work, although when I click 'test' while configuring it, it works.
[23:42] <noaXess> Tm_T: do the win+1 shortcut work with any app?
[23:42] <noaXess> or win+2..
[23:42] <noaXess> or eg. win+e for dolphin
[23:42] <ptl> the list goes on...
[23:42] <Tm_T> noaXess: dunno, I use win+F-keys to switch desktops and stuff
[23:42] <noaXess> Tm_T: can you please try one?
[23:43] <noaXess> test one?
[23:43] <ptl> My T61 keyboard has workspace left and workspace right
[23:43] <ptl> I use them all the time
[23:43] <ptl> I love seeing windows fly bye
[23:43] <ptl> *fly by
[23:43] <Tm_T> ptl: with 9 desks it's too limited (:
[23:43] <ptl> Tm_T: I have 8
[23:43] <Tm_T> yup
[23:44] <Tm_T> and by the time you make one switch, I have swithced from 1 to 5 to 8 or whatever (:
[23:44] <Tm_T> but yes, good to know it works that way too (:
[23:44] <ptl> not quite so, the workspace left and workspace right are on the down right side of the keyboard, while when you press the Fx keys, you have to raise your hand
[23:44] <ptl> the movement takes some time
[23:45] <Tm_T> ptl: I don't rise my hand
[23:45] <ptl> but pressing workspace left and right is always very fast
[23:45] <noaXess> will there be some version steps from 4.1.3 until 4.2?
[23:45] <Tm_T> noaXess: perhaps 4.1.4 bugfix release
[23:45] <ptl> I dunno
[23:46] <Tm_T> noaXess: and ofcourse betas and stuff
[23:46] <ptl> But I am eager for using the Cube on KDE 4.2
[23:47] <ptl> KDE desktop effects are lots more stable than compiz fusion
[23:47] <ptl> (or is it "stabler"?)
[23:47] <Tm_T> more stable
[23:48] <ptl> thanks
[23:48] <ari_stress> hi hi
[23:49] <ptl> But I love some of the plasmoids, I just can't get used to the thought of letting them below my windows
[23:49] <ptl> My gkrellm is always visible
[23:49] <ptl> No plasmoid, karamba or superkaramba script, gdesklet or screenlets or google widget could replace it yet
[23:50] <binMonkey> hi, guys.
[23:50]  * Dr_willis sticks with Conky
[23:50] <ptl> conky is too complicated
[23:51] <ptl> and I could no get any conky script close to what I want.
[23:51]  * Dr_willis found it rather trivial
[23:51] <binMonkey> conky is second only to yakuake, it is so great.
[23:51] <ptl> I'll show you my desktop
[23:52] <ptl> http://patola.org/mydesk.png
[23:52] <ptl> try it
[23:53] <courtjesterg> real question that needs a real answer i need to edit my sources from adept so i can run adept i tryed reinstalling and found out a res was the reason why it could start
[23:53] <courtjesterg> courtjesterg@courtjesterg-desktop:~$ sudo apt-get --reinstall install adept
[23:53] <courtjesterg> [sudo] password for courtjesterg:
[23:53] <courtjesterg> E: Type 'git://git.kitenet.net/aliengit://git.kitenet.net/alien' is not known on line 46 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list
[23:53] <courtjesterg> E: The list of sources could not be read.
[23:53] <courtjesterg> courtjesterg@courtjesterg-desktop:~$
[23:53] <courtjesterg> i need to edit that line where do i go to remove it
[23:53] <Dr_willis> edit the file then?  its just a text file. /etc/apt/sources.list
[23:54] <Dr_willis> like it says
[23:54] <courtjesterg> thks
[23:54] <Dr_willis> You dont need to use any fancy  tools. :)
[23:54] <ptl> sudo vi /etc/apt/sources.list
[23:54] <ptl> /git.kitenet
[23:54] <ptl> dd
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[23:54] <Dr_willis> :wq ?
[23:54] <ptl> :wq is the same as :x
[23:55] <Dr_willis> ;XXXX!
[23:55] <Dr_willis> :)
[23:55] <ptl> my cat is destroying my server
[23:55] <ptl> just a moment
[23:55] <binMonkey> is git another editor?
[23:55] <courtjesterg> lol that cat love it
[23:55] <Dr_willis> !info git
[23:55] <Dr_willis> !info gnuit
[23:55] <ptl> git is something done by linus torvalds to get version control
[23:55] <courtjesterg> no thought it was a res url for alien but nope i found where i need to covert a rpm file to deb
[23:55] <Grant931> uh
[23:56] <Grant931> when I run this command I get this output:
[23:56] <Grant931> grant@monster:~$ sudo chown grant /home/grant/docs
[23:56] <Grant931> chown: changing ownership of `/home/grant/docs': Operation not permitted
[23:56] <binMonkey> ptl: is that irssi in yakuake on your desktop?  and are all those tabs on the bottom different channels?
[23:56] <Grant931> what should I do?
[23:57] <binMonkey> Grant931: same command but use sudo.
[23:57] <Grant931> I did use sudo
[23:57] <binMonkey> sorry. i missed that.
[23:57] <Grant931> I can't even do it with sudo su
[23:57] <ptl> binMonkey: that is irssi, the tabs on bottom ("shell", "shell 2" and such) are shells doing other things - like telnet, ssh, mutt, and the irssi "window numbers" (1 2 3 4 ...) are above it
[23:58] <ptl> oh, and there's also screen "windows"
[23:58] <binMonkey> ptl: i like that a lot!
[23:58] <ptl> that "0-$ zsh (1*zsh) ..." and such
[23:58] <Dr_willis> I like the tool 'terminator' for managing multi terminals also. :)
[23:58] <Dr_willis> but it uses gnome-terminal
[23:59] <ptl> yakuake is nice because it rolls from the top of the screen back and forth
[23:59] <ptl> there are some programs like this for gnome but they are not as sofisticated as yakuake