[01:44] <F-GT> how do you install the edubuntu cdrom via loopback ?
[01:44] <F-GT> edubuntu addon
[01:53] <sbalneav> Should just be able to mount -o loop blah.iso /media/cdrom
[01:53] <sbalneav> but I've never done it that way
[01:54] <F-GT> yeah tried it .. doesnt load the package manager
[01:54] <F-GT> just burning an iso in the meantime
[01:56] <F-GT> well that works
[01:57] <sbalneav> yeah, I don't think manually mounting a loopback iso's gonna fire the HAL scripts you need.
[01:57] <sbalneav> You could just point Synaptic at it manually
[01:57] <sbalneav> But, since you're burning already :)
[01:57] <F-GT> yeah thought about that too
[01:57] <F-GT> got given an old laptop so figured i'd throw edubuntu on it for my sisters kids
[01:57] <F-GT> and give it to them
[01:58] <sbalneav> I'm sure they'll have a hoot with it.
[01:58] <F-GT> yeah provided the depsolving works with no internet / network access :)
[01:59] <F-GT> yeah im sure they will too
[02:01] <F-GT> thanks for answer regarding the hal stuff .. had forgot about that ... thought there might of been a script on the cd to launch
[02:02] <F-GT> cd seems to humming along okay so far ... would be nice to not use the cd tho and launch via loopback even if it's script to kick it off
[02:07] <sbalneav> Wonder if there's an "apt-iso" method.
[02:24] <F-GT> and failure .. no network connectivity
[02:24] <F-GT> wants libgsm :)
[02:25] <F-GT> and libavcodec
[02:28] <F-GT> most of it seems to work tho
[02:29] <LaserJock> evening all
[02:33] <sbalneav> Evening LaserJock!
[02:35] <LaserJock> sbalneav: how's it going?
[02:39] <sbalneav> Going good!
[02:39] <sbalneav> Doing a little "manual labour" this evening :)
[02:55] <LaserJock> sbalneav: the inside or outside kind?
[02:58] <sbalneav> The LTSP docs kind :)
[02:59] <LaserJock> ah
[02:59] <LaserJock> heh
[02:59] <LaserJock> sbalneav: you got a bzr branch for that?
[02:59] <sbalneav> I surely do!
[03:00] <sbalneav> lp:~ltsp-docwriters/ltsp/ltsp-docs-trunk
[03:08] <LaserJock> sbalneav: wow, lots of info there
[03:08] <sbalneav> up to 70 pages now.
[03:09] <sbalneav> That's what I'd ultimately like to package up somehow
[03:09] <sbalneav> I'd like people to type "apt-get install ltsp-docs" and get:
[03:09] <sbalneav> the pdf
[03:10] <sbalneav> the one big html page
[03:10] <sbalneav> and if we could somehow make that appear in the gnome help thingy, that'd be great too.
[03:11] <LaserJock> I think the pdf is sort of the mmost difficult
[03:12] <LaserJock> gnome help is fairly trivial
[03:12] <LaserJock> HTML is fairly easy
[03:16] <sbalneav> Well, the pdf's probably the least necessary of the 3
[03:21] <LaserJock> sbalneav: do you need all the autotools stuff?
[03:25] <sbalneav> Well, makes it handy.
[03:26] <sbalneav> Wait
[03:26] <sbalneav> in the package you mean?
[03:26] <sbalneav> Oh, no
[03:26] <sbalneav> That's just for building the wibbly bits.
[03:31] <LaserJock> sbalneav: I just wondered if you really need all that
[03:32] <LaserJock> sbalneav: you could probably just use a Makefile I'd think
[03:33] <sbalneav> Someone else coded it up nicely, so I'm just using it :)
[04:29] <Ahmuck> hi.  ubuntu ltsp server is up and running well
[04:29] <Ahmuck>  :)
[04:35] <sbalneav> Good.
[04:40] <Ahmuck> now i'm hoping to figure out the ITALC before messing it up royally
[04:41] <Ahmuck> i've been fighting a firewall all week.  seems the NICS are taking the same IRQs and i'm still working on it :(
[04:45] <Ahmuck> nn
[04:58] <Ahmuck> i have a question.  we'd like to use wacom tablets for art class.  usb.  is this possible?
[04:59] <sbalneav> Don't know, I'v never used them
[04:59] <sbalneav> but I know people HAVE used tablets of some kind on Ubuntu.
[05:01] <Ahmuck> tablets on ubuntu works.  you think they will work on a fat client ?  or thin client?
[05:01] <Ahmuck> we'd like to use plastic animation paper and artrage
[05:02] <Ahmuck> artrage requires wine.  a security risk?
[05:02] <Ahmuck> should windows programs be installed with sudo or as a user
[05:03]  * Ahmuck needs sleep :(
[05:05] <Ahmuck> well, i need to shut down.  i'll be back to ask questions i suppose.  is there a meeting next wednesday?
[05:07] <LaserJock> Ahmuck: we haven't decided on the next meeting
[05:08] <LaserJock> Ahmuck: watch the edubuntu-users list for an announcement
[05:08] <sbalneav> LaserJock: So, I got an LTSPManual.xml file.  How to I make it appear in Yelp?
[05:09] <LaserJock> yelp file:///<full path>LTSPManual.xml
[05:10] <sbalneav> You just think yer sooooo smart, don't you.  Fancy-pantsed phd boy, with yer simple solutions and rock-n-roll music.
[05:11] <LaserJock> heah, that's why they pay me the big bucks ;-)
[05:11] <sbalneav> but with the edubuntu handbook, we had it appearing on the menu on the side.  How was that happy magic performed?
[05:12] <LaserJock> oh, well you install a omf file and call scrollkeeper
[05:13] <LaserJock> or hmm, that wasn't exactly your question was it
[05:13] <Ahmuck> looks like pap might be a challenge to run on ltsp without copying to every home directory
[05:13] <LaserJock> having it appear on the side menu is actually totally hackish crap
[05:13] <Ahmuck> k, nn 4 sure now
[05:13] <LaserJock> the initial menu that you get in yelp is all hard coded
[05:13] <sbalneav> ah, ok
[05:14] <LaserJock> sbalneav: you know what you need
[05:14] <LaserJock> you should have a LTSP diagnostics tool
[05:14] <sbalneav> A good swift kick in the goolies?
[05:14] <LaserJock> you run it and it pops up yelp with the help
[05:14] <sbalneav> Oh, right a diagnostic tool :)
[05:15] <LaserJock> *and* like puts together all the relevant stuff for a bug report
[05:15] <sbalneav> We had one of those YEARS ago.  Yeah, it'd be great to get one going again.
[05:15] <LaserJock> like the lts.conf or whatever that is
[05:15] <sbalneav> Wasn't that hard.
[05:15] <sbalneav> Excellent idear.
[05:15] <sbalneav> Where would it send it to?
[05:16] <sbalneav> Probably better if it just wrote "ltsp-debug.txt" somewhere.
[05:16] <sbalneav> yeah, that's like a half-a-day hack job.
[05:16] <LaserJock> yeah, don't need to get all fancy
[05:17] <sbalneav> I like it.
[05:17] <LaserJock> but just having a little menu item that'd be like "Help for LTSP"
[05:17] <sbalneav> I'll do it this weeked.
[05:17] <sbalneav> You got the manual there?
[05:18] <sbalneav> Do a yelp on it
[05:18] <sbalneav> I'm seeing "book.labelLTSP"
[05:18] <sbalneav> wonder where that's coming from
[05:21] <LaserJock> where do you see that?
[05:25] <sbalneav> Right on the first page
[05:25] <sbalneav> when it first pops up.  Upper left, under the big title
[05:27] <LaserJock> I don't get that
[05:27] <LaserJock> but I've seen that sort of thing before
[05:30] <sbalneav> you on intrepid or harrrrrdy
[05:30] <LaserJock> intrepid
[05:31] <sbalneav> I'm on harrrrrdy, so maybe it's just a bugaboo
[05:31] <LaserJock> well, I swear I saw something like that on a different xml file the other day
[05:31] <LaserJock> I don't think it'll end up in the final product though
[05:36] <sbalneav> update your branch and check out my new subtitle :)
[05:37] <LaserJock> lol!
[05:39] <sbalneav> Hey, if you can't have some fun with it, what's the point.
[05:47]  * LaserJock strangles KDE
[05:47] <LaserJock> why is it that they can manage to have a configuration for *everything* but the one thing I want
[05:51] <sbalneav> I've met Aaron Seigo, and he like TOTALLY hates PHD Chemists.
[05:51] <sbalneav> THIS WAS HIS REVENGE HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
[05:52] <sbalneav> No, really, I dunno :)
[05:58] <LaserJock> sbalneav: dude, I didn't tell you. I got to contribute an honest-to-goodness C++ patch today to a chemistry app
[05:59] <sbalneav> No way
[05:59] <sbalneav> O RLY?
[05:59] <LaserJock> I had to do GTK and everything
[06:00] <LaserJock> is was mostly a "copy-n-past then modify" job
[06:00] <LaserJock> but I came up with the idea, hacked it in an afternoon, and got to commit it
[06:00] <LaserJock> felt good
[06:00] <sbalneav> Sniff, our little LaserJock, all grown up.
[06:00] <LaserJock> lol
[06:00] <sbalneav> If we ever go back to paris, I bet he wont even WANT to go to subway.
[06:01] <sbalneav> Today, my son, you are.... A MAN!!!!
[06:01] <sbalneav> Good for you dude!
[06:01] <sbalneav> Do that for another 15 years, and you can turn out like me
[06:01] <sbalneav> no, wait.
[06:01] <sbalneav> run while you can :)
[06:01] <LaserJock> heh
[06:02] <sbalneav> Which app?
[06:03] <LaserJock> gnome chemistry utils
[06:03] <LaserJock> the main author has been working on a chemical spectrum viewer
[06:03] <sbalneav> Coolio
[06:03] <LaserJock> and he had a nifty X-axis adjuster thing
[06:03] <LaserJock> and I was using it and was like, dude, I need the Y-axis too
[06:04] <LaserJock> it wasn't purely copy-n-paste because the 2 axes need to be treated differently
[06:04] <LaserJock> but I added some widgets, spin button and a slider, and got everything hooked up
[06:04] <LaserJock> and it actually worked
[06:09] <sbalneav> Rockin!
[06:13] <LaserJock> well, time for bed
[06:14] <LaserJock> are we doin' our little bug thing tomorrow night?
[06:14] <sbalneav> Gonna try
[06:14] <sbalneav> Should be on around 9 central
[06:14] <LaserJock> hopefully I'll have some time
[06:15] <LaserJock> I need to work on both my car and my wife's tomorrow
[06:15] <LaserJock> PhD Chemisty student + car == looooong time
[06:16] <sbalneav> Working on your wife will be more fun.
[06:16] <sbalneav> Oh, wait, working on your wife's CAR, my mistake :)
[06:16] <LaserJock> pffft
[06:16] <LaserJock> you Canucks really can't read can you ;-p
[06:17] <LaserJock> good night
[06:17] <sbalneav> Night dude!
[06:17] <sbalneav> I'm off too.