[00:00] <Dr_willis> I just keep a terminal open on the 2nd monitor. :)
[00:00] <Dr_willis> no need to pop one down
[00:00] <ptl> Dr_willis: do you know any conky script that could replace my gkrellm?
[00:00] <Dr_willis> depeneds on what you want it to do.
[00:01] <ptl> be used as a panel, stay fixed and always visible on the right, be thin and show all current data
[00:01] <ptl> most widgets are too fat for me
[00:01] <Dr_willis> well of course.. but what 'data'
[00:01] <courtjesterg> how do i edit my permissions to edited this folder in root
[00:01] <ptl> cpu, processes, network, disk, swap and so on. Nothing out of the ordinary.
[00:01] <Dr_willis> you can custamize conky to show most anything.  like that.
[00:02] <Dr_willis> conkly web site has dozens of examples
[00:02] <courtjesterg> think i am set as some kind of user instead of admin
[00:02] <binMonkey> there's a thread in the ubuntu forums with hundreds of conkys and their scripts.
[00:02] <Dr_willis> oops conlky
[00:02] <ptl> my problem with conky is not showing the data. Is showing the data in a thin panel widget.
[00:03] <Dr_willis> Could always track down some windowmaker warf applets. :)
[00:03] <ptl> could never do that with it...
[00:03] <Dr_willis> but oh wait.. kde4 dosetn have that warf-applet feature any more
[00:03] <Dr_willis> having  'readable' info in a real think conky layout would be the hard part...
[00:04] <Dr_willis> since it only does 'bar' graphs and text basically.
[00:04] <binMonkey> ptl: look here:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=281865&highlight=conky
[00:04] <ptl> haven't thought of it, but windowmaker is also too old, and I am looking to replace gkrellm because I want something more integrated (besides the irritating moving bug, I want real transparency and such things)
[00:04] <Dr_willis> the kde4 way would be to make plasmids for it all
[00:04] <ptl> I know
[00:05] <ptl> couldn't find one
[00:05] <ptl> only fat plasmids
[00:05] <ptl> which are not panels either
[00:05] <ptl> there are some awesome monitors, but they are screen-hungry
[00:06] <Dr_willis> htop in a terminal. :) what more do ya need.
[00:06] <ptl> not thing
[00:06] <ptl> I mean
[00:06] <ptl> not thin
[00:06] <ptl> and not a panel
[00:07] <Dr_willis> 'oh the humanity of it all!' :)
[00:07] <ptl> otherwise I would use it -- or not, because being a text application, does not have graphs that are more intuitive, faster to see what's happening
[00:07] <courtjesterg> ok in login manager is system the super userr /admin of the os in users tab?
[00:07] <courtjesterg> i see i am not marked as anything nor has nothing have applied
[00:08] <courtjesterg> there is even a user called root
[00:08] <courtjesterg> odd
[00:15] <HappySmileMan> courtjesterg: "root" is like superadmin on Linux distros
[00:15] <ptl> Ok
[00:15] <ptl> Dr_willis: I recalled why I don't use conky.
[00:15]  * Dr_willis recalls why he dosent use gkrellm
[00:16] <ptl> Dr_willis: It doesn't have settings for being a panel. Ok, I could get a workaround by using wmctrl or the KDE window management to always make it a panel. Ugly, but it would work, I guess. But it also does not support real transparency.
[00:16] <ptl> why?
[00:16] <ptl> I would not struggle with text-mode configuration files if it's not really worth it
[00:16]  * Dr_willis dosent give a bean about 'real' transparency
[00:17] <Dr_willis>  :)
[00:17] <ptl> gkrellm doesn't have it
[00:19] <courtjesterg> ok when trying to edit my sources.list file to take that url out so i can use adept it says i do not have permission
[00:19] <courtjesterg> when trying to save need to save it and edit it
[00:20] <Dr_willis> You used 'sudo nano ' ?
[00:20] <maxbaldwin> what editor are you using, courtjesterg
[00:20] <courtjesterg> it opens in kate
[00:20] <Dr_willis> YOU open it.. dont just double click...
[00:20] <maxbaldwin> sudo kate /etc/.../sources.lst
[00:20]  * Dr_willis scoffs at double clicking..
[00:20] <Dr_willis> :)
[00:20] <maxbaldwin> sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[00:20] <maxbaldwin> I think
[00:21] <Dr_willis> kdesudo kate /path/to/whatever
[00:21] <Dr_willis> or use a console based editor
[00:21] <Dr_willis> sudo nano /path/to/whatever
[00:21] <maxbaldwin> yeah, kdesudo for graphical applications.
[00:21] <Dr_willis> or use some other editor
[00:22]  * mister-tea likes kate
[00:22]  * Dr_willis uses geany
[00:23] <courtjesterg> how can i edit my permissions to edit the root folders this is my computer and i installed this os so why am i not allowed to edit the file?
[00:23]  * ptl apt-cache search geany
[00:23]  * mister-tea when in terminal uses nano
[00:23]  * ptl when in terminal uses vim
[00:24]  * ptl thinks there are too many options for lightweight syntax-highlighting text processors on GNU/Linux
[00:24] <courtjesterg> this is where i have to go
[00:24] <ptl> s/processors/editors/
[00:24] <courtjesterg> E: Type 'git://git.kitenet.net/aliengit://git.kitenet.net/alien
[00:24] <courtjesterg> i need to delete that line on 46
[00:25] <courtjesterg> in root ect/apt/sources.list
[00:25] <courtjesterg> and i can't resave the file once i try and delet it
[00:26] <mister-tea> use nanoin terminal and read the man pages that will tell you how to save your changes
[00:26] <courtjesterg> i am not used to the terminal nor know any commands for it
[00:27] <courtjesterg> i came from xp i used to mess with the stuff when i was a young kid
[00:27] <courtjesterg> with command lines in 95
[00:27] <mister-tea> dr willis gave you the commands above
[00:28] <mister-tea> if you want to learn more about commands there is a built in tutor thingy in konqueror
[00:29] <OxDeadC0de> courtjesterg as security so people can't break your system except you, you need root permissions to change anything but personal files (Otherwise it's a "bug")
[00:29] <OxDeadC0de> courtjesterg prefix "sudo" to any command to gain root privileges for that command
[00:30] <Dr_willis> hasent this been shown by example like.. 10 times now. :)
[00:30] <mister-tea> terminal can be your  friend :-)
[00:31] <ptl> courtjesterg: but did you use sudo/kdesudo? You probably can't save because you are not root. Or maybe it's the permissions...
[00:31] <mister-tea> if you want to do the edit with a gui (kate) open kate from terminal kdesudo kate
[00:31] <Dr_willis> root should be able to save  even with the wrong permissions
[00:32] <ptl> not if the file belongs to other user
[00:32] <OxDeadC0de> ptl root can edit any file no matter what user owns it, that's why it's root
[00:32] <Dr_willis> :)
[00:32] <jose> hola alguien me puede ayudar
[00:32] <Dr_willis> sudo nano /dev/urandom
[00:32] <Dr_willis> :)
[00:32] <Dr_willis> edit that! :P
[00:32] <ptl> OxDeadC0de: I know and that's the problem (probably). he's not editting it as root
[00:32]  * mister-tea doubts he understands root
[00:32] <ptl> Dr_willis: lol
[00:32] <ubuntu> .,.
[00:33] <ptl> !es | jose
[00:33] <ubuntu> hi all
[00:33] <OxDeadC0de> !hi | ubuntu
[00:34] <ubuntu> thank ;)
[00:34] <ptl> !hot_teen_sex | ptl
[00:34] <ptl> :[
[00:34] <Dr_willis> !ohmy
[00:34] <mister-tea> !botabuse
[00:34] <ubuntu> !hot_teen_sex | ptl
[00:34] <courtjesterg> ok how do i save this options justify, writeout, readfile
[00:35] <Dr_willis> Huh>
[00:35] <Dr_willis> ?
[00:35] <mister-tea> me/ wonders if he could just comment the line out
[00:35] <courtjesterg> i am in the terminal i went to where i need to be and deleted the line of code on line 46 so now what do i do to save this work?
[00:35] <Dr_willis> courtjesterg,  what editor did you use?
[00:36] <courtjesterg> i am in the terminal kconsole
[00:36] <ubuntu> your computer whitch cpu have?
[00:36] <Dr_willis> courtjesterg,  that disent tell us what editor....
[00:36] <mister-tea> nano?
[00:36] <OxDeadC0de> if nano, ^=control, ^X  is exit, exit will save. If vim exit insert mode, :wq to write and quit. If kate or gedit, save it like normal
[00:37] <Dr_willis>  if you  used nano - its some control  combo.. see any help/tips at the bottom?
[00:37] <courtjesterg> i deleted the line in the terminal when i looked it up
[00:37] <courtjesterg> yeah nano
[00:37] <courtjesterg> none say save
[00:37] <Dr_willis> some days its like pupping teeth. :)
[00:37] <Dr_willis> 'write' = save
[00:37] <mister-tea> control x
[00:37] <OxDeadC0de> I just told him, he ignored it
[00:37] <courtjesterg> ok
[00:37] <Dr_willis> write out.. i think it says..
[00:37] <ubuntu> my processor have 900 mz..
[00:37] <Dr_willis> ctrl-h = HELP :)
[00:38] <ubuntu> at me?
[00:38] <mister-tea> ubuntu:  do you have a question?
[00:39] <ubuntu> yes..
[00:39] <mister-tea> !ask
[00:39] <ubuntu> :°(
[00:41] <courtjesterg> this isn't working
[00:42] <courtjesterg> hm
[00:42] <notriddle> Just out of curiosity, does anybody know if it is safe to suspend a system while you are connected to IRC?
[00:43] <maxbaldwin> notriddle: yes. the worst that can happen is someone says your name.
[00:43] <courtjesterg> it saved just not inthe format i wanted it too now me wonders how i delete that file lol
[00:43] <notriddle> maxbaldwin: Okay. Thanks.
[00:44]  * notriddle supposes that he should set himself to away before he suspends.
[00:44] <mister-tea> re edit it
[00:44] <maxbaldwin> notriddle: sure, that'd work.
[00:45] <notriddle> maxbaldwin: Any way to set Konversation to away automatically? Perhaps a script in /etc/acpi/suspend.d and /etc/acpi/resume.d?
[00:46] <maxbaldwin> notriddle: not that I know of. CTRL + Shit + A
[00:46] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. if you disconnect..  you are not away... you are.. err.. gone. :)
[00:46]  * notriddle wonders whether there's a better channel to ask this on, even though distribution-specific stuff is involved.
[00:46] <maxbaldwin> oh crap... CTRL + *Shift* + A
[00:46] <maxbaldwin> that's better. :D
[00:47]  * notriddle grins.
[00:47] <mister-tea> yeah the other one is dirty
[00:47] <maxbaldwin> notriddle: maybe #kde4 ?
[00:47]  * notriddle supposes it was a typo.
[00:47] <ptl> notriddle: you'd be disconnected anyway
[00:47]  * mister-tea pictures a crappy keyboard
[00:47] <notriddle> maxbaldwin: Nope. I'm using KDE3 Konversation.
[00:47] <ubuntu> me too
[00:47] <ptl> so I don't think setting to autoaway would do anything useful
[00:47] <maxbaldwin> notriddle: kde4 here, dunno.
[00:48] <Dr_willis> You would be away befor you get disconnected. :)
[00:48] <notriddle> maxbaldwin: Huh? I'm using Intrepid and I have a KDE3 Konversation. It's one of the only KDE3 application I have.
[00:49] <notriddle> Dr_willis: I'll be disconnected if I suspend?
[00:49] <Dr_willis> notriddle,  of course...
[00:49] <ptl> unless, of course, you use something as a bouncer
[00:49] <tauc1961> alguien en español
[00:49] <notriddle> Dr_willis: Okay. That's what I wondered.
[00:49] <notriddle> !es
[00:49] <ptl> notriddle: you don't think you'd be magically connected to the internet and processing IRC while your computer is off, do you?
[00:49] <Dr_willis>  the irc server will somw how  knwo you are suspended? :) not going to happen.
[00:49]  * mister-tea picture a big guy with tattoos
[00:49] <maxbaldwin> notriddle: maybe use Lock instead of suspend
[00:50] <ubuntu> hh
[00:50] <Dr_willis> 'pause' :)
[00:50] <notriddle> ptl: Nope, I didn't. I just wondered whether I'd properly disconnect or be away. I didn't want some undefined result (perhaps accidentally crashing the server.
[00:51] <ptl> notriddle: I see. I was just kidding, hope you didn't take offense. :)
[00:51] <Dr_willis> as far as the server sees.. you quit replying to pings/responses. and thus 'hung up/disconnected'
[00:52] <Dr_willis> same as any other serverice/connectiosn to that suspending machine.
[00:52] <notriddle> Dr_willis: But my IRC client doesn't know that. That's one of the things I worried about (Konversation expecting to still be connected).
[00:52] <Dr_willis> Hibernate/suspend can reallyu confuse a LOT of applications...
[00:52] <ptl> notriddle: if you want to have IRC presence with your computer turned off, though, you can use bnc on a server
[00:53]  * notriddle doesn't need that.
[00:53] <notriddle> Dr_willis: Should I just test it and hope Konversation doesn't crash?
[00:54] <Dr_willis> It wont crash.. it will be disconnected..
[00:54]  * notriddle doesn't expect it to do worse, though there are ways it could.
[00:54] <Dr_willis> it might try to auto-reconnect/rejoin the channels
[00:54] <paulk> test it notriddle
[00:55]  * notriddle is suspended.
[00:55] <noaXess> wow .. now upgraded..and eg. can't run konsole, dolphin... KDEInit could not launch '/usr/lib/kde4/bin/konsole
[00:56]  * notriddle just un-suspended.
[00:57] <notriddle> Dr_willis: it seems to have re-connected.
[00:57] <ubuntu> cosa
[00:57] <Dr_willis> notriddle,  no it dident.. :) we dont see you..
[00:57] <Dr_willis> :P
[00:57] <noaXess> any idea, why kde4 alwayys look in /usr/lib/kde4/bin?.. cause this was the path in the 8.04 kde4 remix
[00:58] <notriddle> Dr_willis: I assume you're joking. Did I suspend for too short, and never get disconnected?
[00:58] <Dr_willis> sounds like somthing dident get upgraded right. :)
[00:58] <Dr_willis> notriddle,  i never notic3d.. i have most of those messages disabled
[00:58] <noaXess> Dr_willis: ok.. what?
[00:58] <mister-tea> message said suspended the un suspended
[00:59] <mister-tea> then
[00:59] <notriddle> noaXess: It seems like your upgrade didn't go smoothly. You are using a shortcut that references Konsole by full path (they moved it).
[01:00] <noaXess> ok.. thanks.. but whats the trick to fix it?
[01:00] <noaXess> i do a alt+f2 and run konsole
[01:00] <notriddle> noaXess: Okay. Try /usr/bin/konsole (no, it won't be permanent).
[01:01] <OxDeadC0de> can I make macros with konversation, like something that will automatically send /nick when my other nick finally times out?
[01:01] <noaXess> notriddle: and now?
[01:01] <Dr_willis> or use the nickserv ghost command. :)
[01:01] <notriddle> 0xDeadC0de: It should be able to do that in particular already.
[01:02] <notriddle> noaXess: Does it work?
[01:02] <noaXess> jep
[01:03] <notriddle> noaXess: Okay, let's see where /usr/lib/kde4 is being referenced. First, try running kmenuedit from Konsole.
[01:04] <OxDeadC0de> notriddle where's the option set? In identities? (Didn't see it anywhere in configure konver)
[01:04] <noaXess> notriddle: aha.. i see what you mean.. cause u had the 8.04 kde4 remix, all the kde4 apps referenced to /usr/lib/kde4/bin..
[01:05] <notriddle> noaXess: Yep. In Intrepid, they moved KDE4 from /usr/lib/kde4 to /usr. You have gunk lying around referencing /usr/lib/kde4.
[01:05] <noaXess> notriddle: how can i correct it?.. is there any way?
[01:06] <notriddle> noaXess: That depends on where it is. I need to know, did you customize your application menu (yes, KRunner does use it somewhat).
[01:06] <noaXess> notriddle: yes i did..
[01:06] <noaXess> i moved all kde4 apps in a kde4 folder
[01:07] <notriddle> noaXess: Then there's your problem. Pull open kmenuedit and it should be relatively obvious how to fix it.
[01:07]  * notriddle is suspending.
[01:07] <noaXess> notriddle: is there a way to create the default kde4 menu?
[01:07] <noaXess> all the rest i can do i manually
[01:10] <noaXess> done..
[01:10] <noaXess> restore system menu
[01:11] <fatstuff> helllo does this work
[01:11] <fatstuff> anyone home
[01:14] <maxbaldwin> fatstuff: Yes. but you aren't here now.
[01:15] <szal> o0
[01:17] <ubuntu> ciao a tutti
[01:17] <ubuntu> what language is?
[01:17] <mister-tea> !it
[01:17] <szal> well, what do you expect? ;)
  you're a funny guys
[01:19] <mister-tea> ubottu is a bot
[01:19] <szal> I wonder who added the remark to right-click on the channel name to enter the channel..  I guess that's highly client-specific..
[01:20] <ubuntu> hhaahah figure..
[01:20] <PSiL0> anyone have the dustbin package for cairo-dock?
[01:21] <PSiL0> I installed it (and the plugins package) on kubuntu 8.10, and I don't see any applets
[01:21] <ubuntu> ubottu is a bot very colt
[01:21] <ubuntu> ubottu is a bot very intelligent
[01:22] <ubuntu> ubottu is a bot very good
[01:22] <ubuntu> ubottu is funny
[01:22] <szal> ubuntu: if you want to mess around w/ the bot, please do so in private message (a.k.a. query)
[01:22] <ubuntu> ok sorry
[01:27] <Spreadsheet> hello
[01:28] <Spreadsheet> so i got some non free drivers for broadcom and now i dont see anything for wireless
[01:28] <ptl> hope you're not excel
[01:28] <Spreadsheet> no
[01:28] <szal> o0
[01:28] <Spreadsheet> OO.O is default on kubuntu
[01:29] <szal> good night folks
[01:30] <ilham> hello. is there GUI app to make photo slide to dvd/vcd
[01:30] <courtjesterg> you mean to tell me all of you didn't know how t login as root when you know how to use nano?
[01:30] <courtjesterg> http://www.sizlopedia.com/2008/04/16/how-to-login-to-ubuntu-as-root-user/
[01:30] <courtjesterg> now i can delete and edit files with root permissions
[01:31] <OxDeadC0de> courtjesterg no we didn't tell you that, or imply that, we all know how to do it, but you do not need to login as root to use root, and it's better not to for security reasons
[01:32] <courtjesterg> yeah but i need to edit and delte files in root still need to delete files
[01:32] <Spreadsheet> anyone?
[01:32] <ubuntu> yea
[01:32] <ubuntu> tell me
[01:32] <courtjesterg> that is so much easier then have to find how to delete files in nano
[01:32] <courtjesterg> in root
[01:32] <Spreadsheet> theres a person called Ubuntu ?
[01:32] <OxDeadC0de> courtjesterg use sudo
[01:32] <OxDeadC0de> if you don't understand sudo, look it up
[01:33] <courtjesterg> ok so what is the command to delete files in the root folders
[01:33] <mister-tea> !sudo
[01:33] <OxDeadC0de> rm is the command to remove files
[01:33] <OxDeadC0de> sudo rm runs rm as root via isudo, sudo works with every single command
[01:33] <OxDeadC0de> s/isudo/sudo
[01:35] <ilham>  hello. is there GUI app to make photo slide to dvd/vcd
[01:36] <Spreadsheet> can anyone help me?
[01:36] <Spreadsheet> i got the broadcom driver but it doesnt work
[01:36] <Spreadsheet> i go to the network place and nothing shows up for wireless
[01:36] <OxDeadC0de> Spreadsheet which one, ndiswrapper+windows driver, or b43?
[01:36] <Spreadsheet> b43
[01:37] <courtjesterg> i get it now why root shouldn't be unlocked
[01:37] <OxDeadC0de> i use ndis/windows driver, it's faster, supports more of the cards features, and has less "little" problems (Scales speed less often, when it's scaled it stops transfering data for a second, very bad for real time audio streaming for example)
[01:38] <mister-tea> yea
[01:38] <Spreadsheet> hmm
[01:38] <noaXess> i have an link in my autostart folder that points to: ~/.kde/env/gtk-qt-engine.rc.sh
[01:38] <noaXess> is that normal?
[01:38] <Spreadsheet> on xubuntu and debian b43 worked fine
[01:38] <mister-tea> gotta love those factoids :-)
[01:39] <marco_> my notebook uses a 965GM as a video card, can I configure my monitor's default brightness when I start X?
[01:39] <JontheEchidna> noaXess: yes
[01:39] <mister-tea> Spreadsheet:  I used it with ubuntu but it was trouble
[01:40] <OxDeadC0de> b43 works for me too, dunno why it won't for you on 8.10 (I assume), but i stream audio a lot and can't stand it stuttering every minute
[01:40] <noaXess> JontheEchidna: whats about that?
[01:40] <Spreadsheet> i dont really stream audio
[01:40] <JontheEchidna> gtk-qt-engine, the theming engine for GTK app in KDE
[01:40] <OxDeadC0de> it will also affect bittorrent transfers, downloads, etc
[01:40] <Spreadsheet> huh
[01:40] <Spreadsheet> i torrented kubuntu fine too... on the b43 comp
[01:41] <Spreadsheet> :D
[01:41] <OxDeadC0de> didn't say it wont work, it will, fine for most people, but it will affect them
[01:41] <mister-tea> there's a how to for the b43 in the wiki
[01:41] <OxDeadC0de> and b43 doesn't support low power mode yet
[01:41] <Spreadsheet> ok
[01:41] <Spreadsheet> thanks
[01:44] <basy> hi, i have 2 separated disk partitions : [ / ]  and [ /home]. My root partition is going to be full soon because i install too stuff.... Are there any dirs like /tmp which i can clear ?
[01:46] <Spreadsheet> uhh wheres the package manager...
[01:47] <ptl> basy: that's what LVM is for, you should have installed right away with LVM
[01:47] <contrast> Greets, everyone...
[01:47] <contrast> Anyone on Intrepid know a fix for the bug that causes the style to reset to Oxygen at every login?
[01:48] <noaXess> is kpilot gone from kde4.1.3?
[01:48] <ptl> is there such a bug?
[01:48] <ptl> Mine works without reverting back to Oxygen
[01:48] <ptl> contrast: KDE 4.1.3? Have you upgraded yet?
[01:48] <Spreadsheet> wheres the package manager?
[01:49] <ptl> adept is the name
[01:49] <ptl> adept-manager
[01:50] <contrast> ptl: yeah, i'm on 4.1.3
[01:50] <ptl> /usr/bin/adept
[01:50] <Spreadsheet> that looks like a add/remove software thing
[01:50] <contrast> sometimes it even resets to oxygen in the middle of a session. >=(
[01:50] <contrast> Spreadsheet: Adept Manager (under System)
[01:50] <Spreadsheet> how do i make it a actual package manager, like synaptic or something
[01:51] <Spreadsheet> hmm
[01:51] <Spreadsheet> OH
[01:51] <binMonkey> hi, guys.
[01:51] <contrast> Adept 2.0 is a big improvement, but Synaptic still feels a lot more efficient
[01:51] <contrast> !hi | binMonkey
[01:52] <rgreening> Spreadsheet: adept --help is your friend
[01:52] <binMonkey> are there tests i can run to see which is faster, fwcutter or ndiswrapper?
[01:53] <snarkster> anyone know why when i do lsb_release i dont get any information?
[01:54] <noaXess> !kpilot
[01:54] <rgreening> snarkster: cause lsb_release by itself is equivalent to lsb_release -v. Try running lsb_release --help and try other options
[01:55] <snarkster> oh duh thank you
[01:55] <rgreening> lsb_release -a
[01:55] <rgreening> :)
[01:55] <noaXess> does anybody know where's kpilot?
[01:56] <contrast> noaXess: according to "apt-cache search kpilot," it's not in the repos
[01:56] <noaXess> contrast: :(
[01:56] <contrast> one sec...
[01:57] <snarkster> http://www.google.com/linux?hl=en&q=kpilot&btnG=Search
[01:57] <noaXess> snarkster: LOL
 there was alot showing so I figured give you the site
[01:57] <Dragnslcr> !info kpilot
[01:58] <mister-tea> noaXess: it doesnt appear to be included in ibex
[01:58] <mister-tea> http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy-updates/utils/kpilot
[01:58] <noaXess> i see.. bad news..
[01:59] <noaXess> ok.. it's 03:00 in the morning.. and i need some sleep ;)..
[01:59] <noaXess> see ya later..
[01:59] <noaXess> bye
[02:01] <binMonkey> are there tests i can run to see which is faster, fwcutter or ndiswrapper?
[02:08]  * notriddle just un-suspended
[02:09] <notriddle> Dr_willis: Okay. I just returned from suspend. It seems like Konversation spent some time thinking it was still online before it properly reconnected. I'll disconnect before I suspend from now on.
[02:10] <willi_ballenthin> how can i install the bleeding edge development versions of the kde packages?
[02:10] <paulk> notriddle> thanks for testing suspend
[02:11] <notriddle> paulk: You're welcome.
[02:12] <Spreadsheet> hello
[02:12] <Spreadsheet> how do i use adept?
[02:12] <Spreadsheet> i cant find the package list
[02:12] <notriddle> willi_ballenthin: You could use Project Neon, though unfortunately they name their packages oddly.
[02:12] <willi_ballenthin> notriddle: thanks, i think i had kdelibs installed from there
[02:13] <willi_ballenthin> but i was looking for kdevelop4 and whatnot, and wasnt sure it was there
[02:13] <willi_ballenthin> ill look again
[02:13] <notriddle> Spreadsheet: In Adept Manager or Adept Installer (Menu->System->Adept Manager or Menu->Add/Remove programs).
[02:13] <Spreadsheet> hmm
[02:13] <notriddle> willi_ballenthin: I don't think kdevelop is.
[02:14] <Spreadsheet> i dont see that
[02:14] <Spreadsheet> i see Adept, View, and Help
[02:14] <willi_ballenthin> i suppose i coudl just spend a night checking out the entire subversion tree and compiling
[02:14] <willi_ballenthin> just wondered if there was an easier way
[02:14] <willi_ballenthin> thanks thouh
[02:15] <notriddle> Spreadsheet: In KMenu->Adept Installer Add/Remove software, the software list is easy to find and use.
[02:15] <paulk> spreadsheet> Applications Add/Remove software
[02:16] <Spreadsheet> i see
[02:16] <Spreadsheet> thanks
[02:17] <Spreadsheet> hmm i cant find irssi...
[02:17] <notriddle> willi_ballenthin: The subversion list is pretty well-organized. If you just want to use KDevelop, that should be all you need to check out.
[02:18] <willi_ballenthin> notriddle: thanks again, ill try that
[02:18] <Spreadsheet> nor can i find things like zsh...
[02:18] <Spreadsheet> i can find yakuake though...
[02:18] <notriddle> Spreadsheet: Perhaps you can use Adept Manager (Applications->System->Adept Manager - Package Manager). Adept Installer only lists some of the categorized packages meant to be listed there.
[02:19] <Spreadsheet> i see
[02:21] <notriddle> Spreadsheet: To get a list, click the box next to State (State: [ ])
[02:21] <Spreadsheet> k
[02:22] <notriddle> Spreadsheet: Oops, that gives installed packages. Click it again and then choose the one next to it.
[02:22]  * notriddle feels embarrased, though that is pretty bad interface design, I must say ;)
[02:23] <Spreadsheet> yeah
[02:23] <Spreadsheet> so i got zsh using apt-get ;)
[02:24] <Spreadsheet> last question: how do you set default shells?
[02:24] <notriddle> Spreadsheet: :P It's pretty bad when the CLI is easier than the GUI :)
[02:24] <notriddle> Spreadsheet: That's done with chsh.
[02:25] <keoki> Hi... has anyone has ubuntu installed on a Thinkpad R40?
[02:25] <notriddle> !chsh
[02:25] <keoki> I'm trying to look for a driver that can allow to use the s-video output
[02:25] <Spreadsheet> ok
[02:26] <notriddle> !chsh is the command used to CHange the login SHell.
[02:26] <notriddle> keoki: What video card do you have?
[02:27]  * notriddle will look it up if keoki doesn't know.
[02:28] <keoki> it's an ATI Radeon Mobile something
[02:29] <notriddle> !ati
[02:31] <keoki> thanks... I am on that now
[02:32] <notriddle> keoki: Your welcome (though ubottu helps me not have to remember the link ;).
[02:32] <ubuntu> hi
[02:33] <notriddle> ubuntu: hi.
[02:34] <ubuntu> hi notriddle :)
[02:49] <keoki> Hi again!! :p I just got into the ATI web site and downloaded the propietary drivers... now my question is... how I do Install it :p
[02:50] <paulk> what benefit is the Plasma Dashboard?
[02:50] <genii> keoki: http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Intrepid_Installation_Guide#Installing_the_restricted_drivers_manually
[02:50] <ubuntu> what's the plasma dashboard?
[02:50] <keoki> the name of the file is ati-driver-installer-8-11-x-86.x-86_64.run
[02:52] <keoki> thanks... I'll ask again if I get stuck :)
[02:53] <erick> hola
[02:54] <ubuntu> hiya
[02:54] <erick> que tal
[02:54] <genii> !es
[02:54] <erick> hi
[02:54] <erick> where are from
[02:54] <notriddle> keoki: Why can't you use the package (K Menu->(Applications->?)->
[02:55] <notriddle> keoki: Why can't you use the package (K Menu->(Applications->?)->System->Hardware Drivers?
[02:55] <genii> erick: We are from everywhere
[02:56] <ubuntu> <- from mars, just visting
[02:56] <erick> i from to mexico
[02:56] <erick> and yyou
[02:56] <paulk> ubuntu> There is an Icon on the panel next to volume control, when I click it Konversation disapears and at the top of the screen it says plasma dashboard
[02:57] <genii> erick: I am from Canada. Do you have a Kubuntu problem you need help with?
[02:57] <keoki> uh...maybe because is a Propietary Driver :)
[02:57] <keoki> I already tried the application installer :)
[02:58] <erick> i want now is update to kubuntu 8.4 self
[02:59] <keoki> is Kubuntu and Ubuntu the same?
[02:59] <erick> no diferent kubuntu is beter
[03:00] <genii> keoki: Underneath they use the same
[03:00] <erick> work with tow plataform
[03:00] <keoki> IC... it's just a friend installed ubuntu some time ago... and wanted (desperately) to try it out
[03:00] <keoki> so now I have half my disk with XP and the other half with Ubuntu
[03:01] <keoki> and really I am starting to get the hang of it
[03:01] <paulk> Kubuntu uses KDE GUI Ubuntu uses Gnome GUI
[03:01] <genii> keoki: They can: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop               if they want to install the kubuntu part of it
[03:02] <keoki> and only the graphic interface will be affected?
[03:02] <genii> keoki: When you have both Gnome and KDE installed, the menus can be confusing because they have all the items from both.
[03:03] <keoki> I just better stick with one then...
[03:04] <genii> If you have both and just want one see !puregnome or !purekde
[03:04] <paulk> have both with dual boot
[03:04] <genii> Yes, you could have separate partitions as well
[03:05] <genii> This is how I test 8.10 for instance although I am normally in 8.04
[03:05] <notriddle> keoki: There is no real difference, except that their interface is set up differently.
[03:05] <notriddle> !kde
[03:05] <notriddle> !gnome
[03:06]  * notriddle knows KDE provides a development platform, too.
[03:06] <notriddle> And for good measure...
[03:06] <notriddle> !xfce
[03:06] <keoki> I am just amateur... so what you guys recommend... I know you have your preferences but which one everyone agrees?
[03:07] <genii> Well, keep in mind this is #kubuntu and not #ubuntu so we are slanted for KDE ... ;)
[03:07] <notriddle> keoki: This is a bit biased, since people on #kubuntu probably use Kubuntu, and of course will recommend it. As my own example, I recommend Kubuntu to others.
[03:07] <keoki> ok... then after I finish installing the ATI drivers I can give a try.
[03:07] <keoki> Thanks everyone
[03:07] <notriddle> keoki: I recommend that, since they both provide a livecd, try them both...
[03:07] <notriddle> !livecd
[03:14] <radams> Is there a way to make widgets ONLY show when I press ctrl F12 to bring up the dashboard?
[03:17] <notriddle> radams: Aaron (aseigo) described a method before. I'll look it up.
[03:17] <radams> notriddle: tyvm
[03:19] <notriddle> radams: Here you go: http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2008/09/howto-decoupling-dashboard-from-desktop.html.
[03:19] <Spreadsheet_> i enabled desktop effects and now i cant see anything...
[03:19] <Spreadsheet_> im in a virtual term now
[03:19] <radams> notriddle: great! thanks
[03:20] <Reed_Solomon> Spreadsheet, either compiz isn't working with your system, or you have enabled the new desktop effects feature "confusion distortion"
[03:20] <Reed_Solomon> but the latter is made up, so..
[03:20] <Spreadsheet_> its not compiz i think
[03:20] <Spreadsheet_> i was using Kubuntu, i think its KWin
[03:20] <Spreadsheet_> and i dont have the driver :O
[03:20] <Reed_Solomon> id try rebooting and using the last known working setup
[03:20] <radams> notriddle: what does "zoom out on the desktop" mean? I'm new to KDE 4...
[03:20] <Spreadsheet_> ok
[03:21] <Reed_Solomon> whats that called.. failsafe?
[03:21] <Reed_Solomon> anyways id give that a shot
[03:22] <keoki> I need to reebot... brb
[03:22] <administrador> alguien de chile??
[03:22] <notriddle> radams: Uh, oh. I forgot that they changed it in Kubuntu.
[03:23] <notriddle> !es
[03:23] <radams> notriddle: :( Yeah, I'm reading a guide right now that tells me I should see this in the cashew, and I don't
[03:24] <notriddle> radams: I'm looking for another way.
[03:25] <radams> notriddle: thanks. I'll keep poking around too
[03:26] <notriddle> radams: In .kde/share/config/plasma-appletsrc, copy all the sections labeled [Containments][1], replacing the 1 with your favorite number that isn't already used.
[03:27] <notriddle> radams: This should make a new activity, AFAIK.
[03:27] <radams> notriddle: ok. why did they remove the add a new activity feature, btw? seems odd to take that out...
[03:29] <Spreadsheet> im on another comp now
[03:29] <Spreadsheet> i restarted
[03:29] <Spreadsheet> and now its nothing
[03:29] <Spreadsheet> is there a config file somewhere i can edit?
[03:29] <notriddle> radams: They considered it still only half-complete.
[03:30] <notriddle> radams: From here, you should be able to follow the guide.
[03:32] <notriddle> Spreadsheet: Explain.
[03:33] <Spreadsheet> so i went to desktop effects and enabled them, then it crashed (it was basically black, the desktop)
[03:33] <Spreadsheet> and i rebooted, now theres no wireless (probably because it needs the desktop or something) and it is still black in the desktop
[03:33] <ilham_> is there gui for conver photo to video
[03:34] <notriddle> Spreadsheet: Yep. In .kde/share/config/kwinrc, under the section labeled Compositing, set enabled to false.
[03:34] <Spreadsheet> ok
[03:34] <Spreadsheet> thanks
[03:34] <Spreadsheet> .kde in home folder?
[03:34] <Spreadsheet> ok
[03:35] <notriddle> Spreadsheet: Yep.
[03:35] <notriddle> Spreadsheet: In ~/.kde/share/config/kwinrc.
[03:36] <Spreadsheet> thanks
[03:36] <Spreadsheet> i think itll work
[03:36] <LaserJock> I've got what I'd think would be a fairly simple question. In gnome I could use seahorse, gnome-keyring to save my ssh key passphrase. I can't seem to find a KDE equivalent. Any help?
[03:37] <genii> kwallet
[03:37] <notriddle> !kwallet
[03:38] <notriddle> genii: Note: Do you know of a way to use it with ssh?
[03:38] <genii> Yes
[03:38] <genii> http://www.pontohonk.de/kde/ssh.html
[03:39]  * notriddle thinks that is cool.
[03:48] <radams> notriddle: that didn't work. furthermore, I have noticed that kde never remembers my widget changes: it keeps basically restoring the defaults each reboot. has anyone seen that happen?
[03:50] <notriddle> radams: Oops. I hope you backed up your settings... or did it do that before.
[03:50] <radams> notriddle: it has done it since I installed
[03:50] <radams> notriddle: this is a test machine, so I don't care if I have to trash it to fix it, but I'd like my widgets to work :(
[03:50] <notriddle> radams: Make sure to close plasma (kquitapp plasma) before tweaking.
[03:50] <radams> notriddle: I did
[03:52] <notriddle> radams: Okay. I really don't know and was just getting ready for bed. You may be able to find someone to ask (though they may not like you for requiring it be done completely from the config file).
[03:59] <Dracari> got a quick question. durring Install of Kubuntu. i was never prompted to set an Root password, what would be the defaulted root password on an install via the "install on windows" option?
[04:00] <genii> !root
[04:00] <genii> Dracari: (K)ubuntu does not have a root password
[04:01] <Dracari> trying to use the Patched Nvida Drivers (180.06) and a friends telling me how but having to do it from a Text console not from within KDE
[04:01] <wolfjb> is there a way to use strigi in konqueror? how do I take advantage of Nepomuk? Where can I read about it? thanks
[04:04] <Dracari> ohh i see i nee dto do this while in a Console (be whiel in kde or at a Text Console login ( Sudo [putwhatsneeded here ]) lol i guess as they say "GIYF"
[04:05] <genii> Dracari: No, you need to do console login from kdm login
[04:12] <paulk> question> how do you get back to desktop environment from the console
[04:13] <wolfjb> paulk: alt-f7
[04:13] <Guest39139> alguien habla español??
[04:15] <QContinueum> hay un channel para espanol, yo no se que es, lo siento.
[04:16] <wolfjb> es
[04:16] <wolfjb> hmm
[04:16] <QContinueum>  #kubuntu-es
[04:16] <QContinueum> para espanol
[04:16] <alan> Can someone help me?
[04:17] <QContinueum> someone somwhere can, whether or not we can is another question. which also depends on the problem you're having... so why don't you just tell us and see if anyone knows?
[04:18] <alan> Well i can't seem to listen to any of my music,the Correct codecs are installed but when i press PLAY,i don't hear anything.
[04:21] <alan> Hold on
[04:21] <alan> i found what the problem was
[04:23] <mrg_> where exactly do i set kdm to startup automatically when booting up pls?  it's selected in runlevels 2-5 but it doesn't start on boot...
[04:26] <binMonkey> are there tests i can run to see which is faster, fwcutter or ndiswrapper?
[04:27] <wolfjb> mrg_: there should be a symlink in one of your runlevels (probably all of them) that says S30kdm, , then check /etc/event.d/rc-default to find which runlevel is the default one
[04:31] <rc> in spanish??
[04:31] <Guest24321> spanish??
[04:32] <Guest24321> Hello
[04:32] <QContinueum> #kubuntu-es
[04:32] <Guest24321> Iam install KDE fron ubuntu
[04:32] <Guest24321> iam install via apt-get kubuntu-desktop
[04:32] <tin> binMonkey: ndiswrapper is just that, a wrapper
[04:32] <QContinueum> #kubuntu-es is para espanol
[04:32] <Guest24321> but in KDE iam not have administrate rights
[04:33] <tin> that's an extra step to take on every network operation
[04:33] <binMonkey> tin: i don't understand.
[04:34] <courtjesterg> looking for a gcc resporator for adept been to the site but sv and such its confusing to know what they are actually talking about and wether i might screw up my addept again does anyone have the link for gcc to put in adept?
[04:34] <tin> binMonkey: fwcutter grabs the firmware from the device so the driver can use it
[04:34] <mrg_> wolfjb: i can't tell what the default is from my config file.. but i've set it from 2-5 for good measure and still nothing.  someone told me to check for a setting for a default login manager that may be overriding this setting?
[04:35] <tin> just because the firmware can't be distibuted with the drivers
[04:35] <courtjesterg> also does anyone know where i can get red hats package manager from
[04:35] <binMonkey> tin: so there should be no difference between the two?
[04:35] <tin> where ndiswrapper puts a layer around the windows driver so the linux kernel can talk to it
[04:35] <wolfjb> mrg_: that would be found in /etc/X11/default-display-manager
[04:35] <courtjesterg> trying to build alien so i can covert some files
[04:35] <tin> that extra layer is going to take cpu cycles
[04:35] <tin> and time (and memory)
[04:36] <tin> in other words, use fwcutter if you can
[04:36] <binMonkey> tin: oooooook.  so ndiswrapper might use more resources but it could also be faster?
[04:37] <binMonkey> it seems faster to me.
[04:37] <tin> if the native driver is really bad, perhaps it might be
[04:37] <mrg_> wolfjb: you sure know you way around all these configs. thanks :) i'll try restarting in a bit to test it out.  btw, have another question, if you don't mind..
[04:38] <tin> but those extra resources that ndiswrapper uses include cpu time for the extra layers
[04:38] <wolfjb> mrg_: don't mind at all
[04:39] <mrg_> wolfjb: the icons in the system tray on my main panel have a white square background behind that is totally killing my bar's mojo... how can i fix that (i'm pretty sure that wasn't a problem before)
[04:39] <tin> there may be no speed difference at cpu idle, but say with a game going, and decoding a complex movie from a file share
[04:39] <mr---t-> !rpm
[04:39] <tin> s/and/or
[04:40] <martyd> as opposed to an 'alien package' du-dum-chshhhhh
[04:40] <courtjesterg> is there another way  to convert cause i've grabiing info and files download to just convert this file
[04:40] <wolfjb> mrg_: hmm... not sure, they have to have transparent backgrounds...
[04:40] <mrg_> wolfjb: not all of the icons actually.. but the ones that do have the white background (that shouldn't) = speaker, clipboard, network, and HPprinter icons
[04:40] <courtjesterg> want to convert rpm to dep
[04:40] <courtjesterg> deb
[04:41] <binMonkey> tin: ok.  what if i buy a wireless card?  i can set my laptop up to ignore my builtin card and use the pcmcia or usb wireless, right?
[04:41] <wolfjb> mrg_: yeah, mine are black, bzr is white, kinda annoying
[04:41] <mr---t-> !alien
[04:41] <tin> i suppose
[04:41] <mr---t-> hmmm same factoid
[04:41] <wolfjb> mrg_: maybe change your icon theme? don't really know on that one
[04:42] <tin> i had a builtin ethernet and a pci wireless in one machine, and it worked fine both on wired and the wireless
[04:42] <tin> even worked with both going
[04:42] <courtjesterg> !alien
[04:42] <mr---t-> what's the package?
[04:42] <courtjesterg> !jre
[04:43] <tin> but i think the wireless card's driver sucked and did a lot in cpu, because i couldn't even run remote X apps over a 54 Mbps connection
[04:43] <binMonkey> tin: were yours broadcoms?
[04:43] <tin> the wireless is
[04:43] <tin> the wired was i dunno
[04:43] <courtjesterg> yeah this has been the whole point trying to install java dev with beans and i can't its an ml.sh file
[04:43] <tin> wired was nvidia in this case
[04:44] <binMonkey> and you did well with fwcutter.  hmmm.  my 4318 seems to hate fwcutter.
[04:44] <courtjesterg> so went to install another jaave with is an rpm
[04:44] <courtjesterg> which
[04:44] <courtjesterg> !courtjesterg
[04:44] <courtjesterg> lol
[04:45] <courtjesterg> !nvidia
[04:45] <mr---t-> courtjesterg: so what's the problem?
[04:46] <courtjesterg> i went to sun site to download java dev with beans included with the runtimes and everything
[04:46] <courtjesterg> all i got was a limux-ml.sh file that opens in kate
[04:46] <mr---t-> you can't do it that way
[04:46] <courtjesterg> so i dunno what to do with this file
[04:47] <courtjesterg> so i went to another site with java thinking i can just install but it was rpm file and another was a .bin file
[04:47] <courtjesterg> maybe the sun site could over write
[04:47] <mr---t-> the wiki link you listed above is quite complete on the subject
[04:48] <courtjesterg> been trying to build alien so i can covert rpm to deb files
[04:48] <mr---t-> what's wrong with using ubuntu java
[04:49] <courtjesterg> but i need to res link for adept to either directly dl redhate package manager and also gcc res for adept
[04:49] <courtjesterg> its not a dev and doesn't have beans
[04:50] <courtjesterg> developers kit with beans included
[04:50] <courtjesterg> and the runtime libary
[04:50] <courtjesterg> also the fact i still need gcc so i can do compileing
[04:51] <courtjesterg> !gcc
[04:54] <binMonkey> tin: would ndiswrapper show up in htop?  would it be called ndiswrapper?
[04:55] <tin> no idea, i only used it for a bit once
[04:55] <courtjesterg> !redhat
[04:56] <courtjesterg> !package managers
[04:56] <courtjesterg> !ubottu
[04:57] <courtjesterg> its been years since i used irc actually
[04:57] <binMonkey> !ndiswrapper
[04:57] <courtjesterg> !tolietpaper
[04:58] <courtjesterg> !faust
[04:58] <courtjesterg> !bill gates
[04:58] <courtjesterg> ccome on
[04:59] <courtjesterg> !pamela anderson lee
[04:59] <courtjesterg> ok back to work
[05:00] <binMonkey> !birthin' no babies!
[05:01] <binMonkey> !birthin'nobabies!
[05:01] <binMonkey> dang.
[05:01] <MinusSeven> A program is only as smart as the person who programs it
[05:02] <courtjesterg> !font bug
[05:02] <courtjesterg> !196 drivers nivida
[05:03] <courtjesterg> !ark
[05:04] <courtjesterg> !msexpand
[05:04] <courtjesterg> !qt 4
[05:04] <courtjesterg> !root
[05:05] <courtjesterg> password is sudo i bet you
[05:05] <courtjesterg> i know it is
[05:06] <courtjesterg> !kate
[05:07] <courtjesterg> !logitech
[05:07] <wolfjb> anyone use strigi successfully in intrepid?
[05:07] <courtjesterg> !strigi
[05:07] <wolfjb> dolphin doesn't find any files when I check the box indicating to use indexs
[05:08] <wolfjb> and strigi:/ in knoqueror doesn't work (unknown protocol)
[05:08] <courtjesterg> !knoqueror
[05:08] <wolfjb> checking the plugin in the run-command tool finds things, but clicking on them gives 'bad/malformed url' error
[05:09] <courtjesterg> what scanning for plug in in tthe k browser
[05:13] <mrg_> wolfjb: sry had to go tend to something... thanks for your help before.  good night.
[05:13] <courtjesterg> notice when seqarching found i can actually download alien but the alien site has a newer version
[05:14] <courtjesterg> gcc even hasa  new version also\
[05:15] <heato> Hello,  I am working on hardy trying to enable dual monitors with multi head card.  The comp boots with both mon working but I loose one at the login.  I can configure the second in the invidia x server settings window under "system" but when I try to save the settings and merge the file [ /etc/x11/xorg.conf] I get an "unable to create" message.  Ihave 3 backup files in the folder and have tried to delete them but no luck!  Any suggestions!
[05:23] <courtjesterg> heato you can't delete them caause they are in your root folder you don't have permission
[05:24] <courtjesterg> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[05:24] <courtjesterg> http://www.debianadmin.com/enable-and-disable-ubuntu-root-password.html
[05:27] <binMonkey> !opengl
[05:36] <bdizzle> hey, where would I go for help on OpenOffice?
[05:36] <bdizzle> !openoffice
[05:44] <courtjesterg> !1k
[05:44] <courtjesterg> !k
[05:45] <courtjesterg> !k development
[05:45] <courtjesterg> !kde
[05:47] <bdizzle> hi
[05:47] <courtjesterg> it is so funny how synaptic has more stuff then adept for download why is it?
[05:48] <bdizzle> I'm trying to write a paper that requires the page number in the top right hand corner of each page, except the title page
[05:48] <bdizzle> I've figured out how to put in a header and page number, as usual
[05:48] <bdizzle> but I cannot figure out how to get it to skip that first page and start page #1 on the actual #2 page
[05:48] <courtjesterg> now thats interesting when was the last time i wrote a paper thats a novel
[05:49] <Whef> Anyone here think they can help me install Java for Firefox on my Kubuntu partition?
[05:49] <courtjesterg> think people should make it a habit after you get done with a book make a book report
[05:49] <bdizzle> lol
[05:49] <courtjesterg> thats easy either dowload from site or use adept\
[05:50] <Whef> What's the adept thing called?
[05:50] <courtjesterg> !adept
[05:50] <Whef> I already know how to use adept.
[05:50] <condon> Anybody got the know-how, time and patience to help me get xvidcap working?
[05:50] <Whef> I meant what's the package called?
[05:50] <courtjesterg> !xvidcap
[05:50] <courtjesterg> whast xvidcap?
[05:51] <condon> Guess that's a no :)
[05:51] <courtjesterg> just type in java or type in firefox the sun plugin works with firefox
[05:51] <condon> It's a program to record your screen
[05:51] <courtjesterg> i usually scroll down after i type in something and read everything to understand in every catorgorie
[05:52] <Whef> There are like a million different packages for Java.
[05:52] <courtjesterg> ohh i believe you already have that in you desktop effects advace
[05:52] <bdizzle> any advice on OOo Writer?
[05:52] <courtjesterg> you just need to assign a keyboard shortcut
[05:52] <condon> bdizzle, what about?
[05:53] <Whef> Anyone know what Adept packages I need in order to get Java working properly on applets in Firefox>?
[05:53] <bdizzle> I'm trying to figure out how to modify the header so that it skips the first page
[05:53] <bdizzle> essentially, the first page is the title page with no header, the rest of it has a header with my last name and the page number, starting with "1" on the "second" page
[05:54] <courtjesterg> in desktop settings enable effect all effects tab go to misc
[05:54] <condon> ah, good question.
[05:55] <courtjesterg> desktop settings are in system setting i've had so much fun in there with the snow
[05:55] <Whef> Ummm... Can anyone help me now? I tried installing Java and all I get is a big grey squar.
[05:55] <bdizzle> any ideas?
[05:55] <condon> playing in oo now
[05:56] <Whef> Now every time a Java applet comes up Firefox crashes...
[05:56] <Whef> *sigh*
[05:56] <courtjesterg> u like flip switch
[05:57] <courtjesterg> try installing flash
[05:57] <condon> bdizzle, I don't see anything that would compensate for what you're looking for, though that doesn't mean it's not capable, just that I'm not :)
[05:57] <courtjesterg> !flash
[05:57] <courtjesterg> !java
[05:57] <condon> Best I could say is if you're printing the project, make two documents, your tittle page, then the document itself.  just print them seperately.
[05:58] <condon> I understand that does little good if you're publishing online or submitting online
[05:58] <courtjesterg> !firefox
[05:58] <condon> Only other means I can see is to manually number them, then it really sucks if you edit and change the document by so much as a single line
[05:59] <mot__> hey, anybody else having a problem with newer dvds crashing your media programs when you try to play them?
[05:59] <courtjesterg> !dvd
[05:59] <mot__> something about newer dvds having a different encryption
[05:59] <condon> nope
[05:59] <mot__> strange.
[06:00] <condon> not so far anyway
[06:00] <mot__> i just encountered my first dvd which apparently has new encryption
[06:00] <mot__> that libdvdnav can't handle
[06:00] <condon> no update to libdvdnav?
[06:00] <mot__> nope
[06:00] <courtjesterg> !cd/rewrite
[06:00] <condon> hm.  What's the movie?
[06:00] <PSiL0> hmmm, regarding firefox, has anyone managed to open their downloaded file in dolphin from ff's downloads menu?
[06:00] <mot__> condon: leatherheads
[06:00] <courtjesterg> !cdburner
[06:00] <mot__> very new.
[06:00] <mot__> courtjesterg, stop.
[06:01] <mot__> courtjesterg, seriously, if you don't know the answer to a very specific question don't just query the bot, the spam is annoying.
[06:01] <courtjesterg> u was trying to answer my question
[06:01] <courtjesterg> i
[06:01] <condon> PSiL0 - the little box that shows all your recent downloads?
[06:01] <PSiL0> condon: yup
[06:01] <courtjesterg> my cdburner still doesn't read cd's for some odd reason
[06:01] <Whef> Lovely time to run out of disk space.
[06:01] <Whef> LOVELY. TIME.
[06:01] <courtjesterg> sense i installed the os
[06:02] <condon> I haven't been able to.  I just open the containing directory from  the menu and navigate to it.
[06:02] <Whef> Anyone know how I can partition some space off from my C:\ drive and put it onto my Linux partition while on Linux?
[06:02] <PSiL0> condon: same here... :(
[06:03] <PSiL0> I tried some of the tips offered from the ubuntu forum to no avail
[06:03]  * PSiL0 is missing some of his right click action
[06:03] <Whef> Anyone know how I can partition some space off from my C:\ drive and put it onto my Linux partition while on Linux?
[06:03] <bdizzle> UGH
[06:03] <bdizzle> now I have it as every other page working
[06:03] <martyd> @Whef, can't you install gparted and resize things?
[06:04] <mot__> Whef, nope, you have to boot into windows to do that safely
[06:04] <mot__> not safely
[06:04] <martyd> if your C drive is NTFS you might be out of luck
[06:04] <condon> lol, it's numbering every other page?
[06:04] <Whef> Yeah umm, about that. I can't run Windows anymore due to the fact my RAM died on me so I can only get on my Kubuntu partition 'cause it uses less RAM.
[06:04] <martyd> or it will be complicated. (go into windows, shrink C: , get back into linux,enlarge it
[06:04] <PSiL0> yeah, best to boot back up into windows, defrag, then shrink
[06:04] <PSiL0> what martyd just said
[06:05] <PSiL0> well, RAM is so cheap these days, heh
[06:05] <martyd> does windows support resizing natively? i've never been able to do it from the Admin panel
[06:05] <condon> omg, you're not kidding
[06:05] <martyd> always had to use partitionmagic
[06:05] <Whef> Windows Vista does.
[06:05] <martyd> ah ok
[06:05] <Whef> But I can't DUE TO:
[06:05] <PSiL0> computermanagement->disk management
[06:05] <Whef> Yeah umm, about that. I can't run Windows anymore due to the fact my RAM died on me so I can only get on my Kubuntu partition 'cause it uses less RAM.
[06:05] <condon> my first computer was $100 per meg of ram...good ol' days
[06:05] <PSiL0> right click city..
[06:06] <martyd> hmmm can partitionmagic make a bootdisk? or book to a livecd with gparted on it?
[06:06] <PSiL0> my first computer had 1MB of ram (286 AT) and we liked it!
[06:06] <Whef> Anyone know how to fix it when Adept crashes during installing a program and then when you boot it back up it says it's already in use so you say try to automatically fix it and then it crashes when doing that?
[06:06] <martyd> lol, i had 32MB....yungun
[06:06] <condon> I loved our first PC :) even though it was outdated 3 months later, couldn't play a single game coming out on the market (started off at 386
[06:06] <PSiL0> lol
[06:06] <condon> w/ 4 megs of ram and a 4x cdrom
[06:07] <condon> Wolfenstein was the shisnit
[06:07] <PSiL0> hey, so long as my 286 could play monkey islands 1 & 2, I was happy
[06:07] <Whef> Your computers will never beat the guy who has Linux on his watch.
[06:07] <condon> Commander Keen baby
[06:07] <condon> And Duke Nukem before he went 3-d
[06:07] <PSiL0> firing up scummvm makes me all nostalgic..
[06:07] <Whef> Hmmm... I wonder if you could hack an iPhone and get Linux on it... that would be awesome.
[06:08] <courtjesterg> h
[06:08] <Whef> Anyone know how to fix it when Adept crashes during installing a program and then when you boot it back up it says it's already in use so you say try to automatically fix it and then it crashes when doing that?
[06:08] <condon> I'm sure of it Whef
[06:08] <martyd> reboot?
[06:08] <courtjesterg> !Kinyarwanda
[06:08] <condon> Kinyarwanda?
[06:08] <PSiL0> you can try to kill it using ctrl-esc
[06:09] <Whef> PSILO, THANK YOU, FINALLY THE LINUX EQUIVILENT TO THE TASK MANAGER!
[06:09] <PSiL0> stoopid bot
[06:09] <Whef> I'm forever in your debt.
[06:09] <PSiL0> hey, I found out about it today playing with it
[06:09] <condon> Yeah, except with linux, when you kill something, usually it dies
[06:09]  * PSiL0 is a reformed windoze dude
[06:09] <Whef> Uhh, psilo, it says permission denied, how do I run it as root?
[06:10] <PSiL0> I was learning csh back during the days of navigating aroudn the web using lynx
[06:10] <PSiL0> shit, I remember visiting yahoo's standford page using lynx back in those days
[06:10] <Whef> LOL. That reminds me, Yahoo is soooo screwed.
[06:10] <Whef> I always hated Yahoo anyways...
[06:11] <Whef> They should have taken Microsofts' offer.
[06:11] <bdizzle> hah! I think I got it
[06:11] <PSiL0> sad to see what it became... actually, I used that line for that company far too many times to remember
[06:11] <holycow> anything that impedes ms is a win imho
[06:11] <holycow> yahoo isn't over tho
[06:11] <holycow> you guys are writing it off based on a few nonsense article snippets
[06:12] <holycow> the fact is all internet companies are overvalued
[06:12] <holycow> especially google
[06:12] <PSiL0> heh, I kind of wished ms bought yahoo.. just adding more water to a sinking ship
[06:12] <Whef> Nah, I hate the entire layout of Yahoo. Also, Yahoo answers are a joke. An abused joke.
[06:12] <PSiL0> whef.... sudo?
[06:12] <holycow> they have enough money and clout to really do some interesting stuff out there.  for example google has proven it self to be outstandingly bad at bringing out products worth using
[06:13] <holycow> no one uses gtalk, few use gmail and the rest no one gives a shit about
[06:13] <Whef> @Psilo, how do you sudo a button combination? (Ctrl + Esc)
[06:13] <PSiL0> http://linux.byexamples.com/archives/157/kill-process-with-care/
[06:13] <PSiL0> google is your friend
[06:13] <holycow> i think yahoo has an opportunity to really do some interesting stuff simply because ms and google clearly cannot do everything well
[06:13] <Whef> Well, I have to say you sure are talking crap about Google when they've accomplished FAR more than Yahoo.
[06:14] <PSiL0> you can get the PID# from ctrl-esc
[06:14] <holycow> all google has ever made money off of is adsense on their search engine
[06:14] <holycow> not a single one of their other products does anything for them
[06:14] <PSiL0> wow, what a round about way of quiting a program
[06:14] <holycow> they are all engineers experiments at the expense of shareholders
[06:14] <Whef> @PSILO, what's the run command for the task manager thing?
[06:14] <holycow> i like experiments and i like freeloading
[06:15] <Whef> Yeah, but holycow clearly their focus isn't on these otherthings.
[06:15] <PSiL0> you mean system monitor?
[06:15] <Whef> Besides, I love GMail. And GTalk, thank you very much.
[06:15] <martyd> i think he does
[06:15] <holycow> but thats not to say google has a clue about how to market and pull products together.  their whole gmail+google docs is such a boondogle i'm astounded no one has written anything on this
[06:15] <Whef> @psilo, yes.
[06:15] <holycow> Whef: thats what i mean, thats not their skill
[06:15] <holycow> i'm thinking that yahoo has some space to play there
[06:15] <holycow> its not over yet
[06:15] <martyd> i use gmail and googledocs is great for all my university projects because of the collaboration
[06:15] <holycow> martyd: you are a single person
[06:15] <martyd> and it exports to doc, pdf, odt etc
[06:16] <martyd> no
[06:16] <martyd> i'm in multiple groups lol
[06:16] <holycow> *sigh*
[06:16] <martyd> of people who use it :P
[06:16] <PSiL0> ummm, dunno... it is under K->system if that means anything to you..
[06:16] <holycow> i run i.t. for a good number of companies
[06:16] <Whef> ****SIGH****
[06:16] <PSiL0> I just started using kubuntu this week
[06:16] <holycow> i can tell you exactly how many of them liked their google docs or cal experience
[06:16] <holycow> exactly zero
[06:16] <holycow> they all went back to exchange of all things
[06:16] <PSiL0> although, working around the unix shell is kind of like riding a bike... It is all coming back to me..
[06:16] <holycow> even though they all hate exchange
[06:17] <martyd> because they think computers exist to run MS Office :P
[06:17] <holycow> don't get me wrong, i like google, but lets give yahoo a bit of breathing room
[06:17] <PSiL0> the same info can be had from ctrl-esc
[06:17] <holycow> martyd, well you can respond to it like a first year cs student, or you can look at like the clients:  all of them hated the experience because the experience of using all of those tools sucked
[06:18] <Whef> But honestly holycow (dude, are you a Hindu or what? Because they believe if you die the best thing you can come back as is a sacrade cow), do you think it was a wise decision for Yahoo to turn up that offer from Microsoft?
[06:18] <holycow> google are the good guys, but they aren't marketing people clearly.  yahoo has lots of opportunity there
[06:18] <PSiL0> whef: ksysguard %U
[06:18] <holycow> i'd say the answer depend on how long term you look
[06:18] <holycow> within the next five years, yeah take the money and run
[06:19] <holycow> look 5 years and beyond
[06:19] <martyd> live.yahoo.com and answers.yahoo.com is all yahoo has going for them now
[06:19] <holycow> i think yahoo can do a lot of damage
[06:19] <holycow> actually no
[06:19] <holycow> yahoo has their advertising network going for them that makes a good chunk of cash
[06:19] <Whef> Even at that they can't maintain answeres.yahoo.com because it's constantly being abused.
[06:19] <holycow> neither live nor answers makes any money
[06:19] <holycow> those are just interesting projects people like
[06:19] <condon> so sudo ksysguard
[06:19] <martyd> then why do i see ads? :(
[06:20] <holycow> well okay good point :)
[06:20] <martyd> what do you think they'll develop/create going forward?
[06:21] <condon> Whef, have you gotten your adept stopped?
[06:21] <Whef> @Condon, no, I'm still struggling, last time this was a bitch to fix >:|
[06:21] <PSiL0> yeah, do what condon said
[06:22] <martyd> @whef, what have you tried?
[06:22] <holycow> well i don't know.  but then, no one saw google comming in 2k
[06:22] <Whef> sudo ksysguard?
[06:22] <holycow> not even microsoft saw that you can make that much money on a search engine
[06:22] <condon> Whef, from terminal, type "sudo killall adept" then enter password
[06:22] <Whef> Is that what you said?
[06:22] <Whef> Ah
[06:22] <condon> or yes, sudo ksysguard may work
[06:23] <Whef> sudo ksysguard didn't work, and when I put in "sudo killall adept" it said "adept: no process killed".
[06:23] <condon> hm...
[06:23] <Whef> Yet it still says "Database Locked - Adept Manager" thing when launching Adept.
[06:23] <condon> and typeing sudo adept from terminal won't open up a usable session?
[06:23] <condon> ah
[06:24] <Whef> Maybe I just need to restart my computer?
[06:24] <PSiL0> hmm
[06:24] <holycow> btw... high five on the ctrl /esc bit
[06:24] <holycow> lol
[06:25] <martyd> that should almost certainly help
[06:25] <holycow> thats just priceless i didn't know that
[06:25] <PSiL0> I rarely use adept anymore.... I use either apt-get or synaptics
[06:25] <condon> hold on 1 sec Whef
[06:25] <Whef> Okay, thanks.
[06:25] <holycow> the adept fellow worked hard on the kde4 port
[06:25] <holycow> give him a bit of credit :)
[06:25] <PSiL0> holycow:  I think I was banging on keys when I stumbled across it...
[06:25] <holycow> it will get better, but yes synaptic is really quite a piece of work
[06:25] <holycow> PSiL0: lol awesome
[06:26] <Whef> Adept is a God send after you're done mangling withWindows.
[06:26] <PSiL0> true story :)
[06:26] <holycow> Whef: lol
[06:26] <Whef> ... And don't even get me started on Macs...
[06:26] <Whef> =P
[06:26] <PSiL0> whef: then synaptics is the big bang, you'll soon see the truth
[06:27] <Whef> I won't believe it until I see it ;)
[06:27] <holycow> heh, well shoot me, but i finally had to get a mac usb full keyboard
[06:27] <holycow> i got tired of those damned chinese made pos kboards
[06:27] <Whef> I would litterally shoot you if I saw you walking down on the street.
[06:27] <holycow> every single one has a random key moved around for no particular reason
[06:27] <PSiL0> so, you got a branded made-in-china keyboard instead?
[06:28] <Whef> PSILO: LOL, good one.
[06:28] <holycow> PSiL0: but one designed by people that can actually read and write english
[06:28] <holycow> and people that actually know how to use frickin catia properly
[06:28] <Whef> I thought the native Mac language was "Dumbass" or "I'm full of shit"...? I'm lost.
[06:28] <holycow> and not end up with a 4 inch bezel, 400 extra buttons and 63 led's on it.
[06:28] <Whef> xP
[06:29] <PSiL0> hmm, apple must pay their sweatshop workers double then ;)
[06:29] <holycow> probably less
[06:29] <Whef> ... What's wrong with 63 LEDS?!
[06:29] <holycow> their simplified designs cost less to make actually
[06:29] <martyd> lol
[06:29] <martyd> 64 is a power of 2
[06:29] <holycow> hehe Whef
[06:29] <Whef> Have you guys seen that $1000+ keyboard that has an LCD screen behind every key and you can program them for different applications?
[06:29] <holycow> blinken keyboard indeed
[06:30] <holycow> yeah ... i hear the keystrokes are way heave because each button is litterally an lcd
[06:30] <holycow> actually darned hard to use
[06:30] <martyd> well they're oleds
[06:30] <Whef> Yeah, but let's face it, it's bad ass.
[06:30] <martyd> not lcds
[06:30] <holycow> thats what i've read anyway, who knows.  nifty idea conceptually
[06:30] <Whef> I would totally just buy it so I could say "Yeah, I have a $1000+ keyboard"
[06:30] <holycow> martyd: oh right
[06:31] <martyd> holycow, i agree. i read a review saying the whole thing was novel but mediocre overall
[06:31] <Whef> condon: Have you found anything yet?
[06:31] <holycow> *nod*
[06:32] <holycow> so while the keyboard layout is proper on this mac keyboard, i litterally went through 6 kbs last week to finally give up and buy this... apple has done something incredibly stupid with this design
[06:32] <holycow> they built in a usb hub into the frickin kb and use that as a permanent leg stand on the kb
[06:32] <Whef> Why the fuck don't you just buy one off Newegg?!
[06:32] <holycow> *smacks head*
[06:32] <Whef> ... LOL.
[06:32] <Whef> That sounds like something only APPLE could come up with.
[06:33] <holycow> so the kb is on a permanent angled incline, so now i haveto machine away that part
[06:33] <holycow> oh well but at least i can now type without having my
[06:33] <holycow> |\ keys moved around and such
[06:33] <holycow> Whef: dude, you got it right
[06:33] <holycow> its absolutely some design dweeb going 'wouldn't it be great if' ...
[06:33] <holycow> lol
[06:34] <Whef> It's what's his face... the Bill Gates equivilent for Apple
[06:34] <Whef> Crap, I forget his name
[06:34] <martyd> God?
[06:34] <Whef> ...
[06:34] <martyd> Barack?
[06:34] <Whef> Far from it.
[06:34] <Whef> Lol.
[06:34] <martyd> oh steve jobs lol
[06:34] <Whef> Yeah
[06:34] <martyd> :P
[06:34] <Whef> It's probably Steve Jobs daughter's ideas that go into that designing.
[06:34] <holycow> hehe
[06:34] <martyd> pft they never have to work
[06:35] <condon> Whef - In terminal type                    ps -A | grep "adept"
[06:35] <condon> let me know if gives any results
[06:36] <Whef> condon: It didn't have any results in the terminal, but on the Adept Manager I got the same error :\
[06:36] <condon> Yeah, I'd say your best bet is to reboot.  There's nothing running but it's still hung
[06:36] <Whef> Alright
[06:36] <Whef> I'll probably be bake
[06:36] <Whef> back*
[06:36] <Whef> If I remember how to get to this channel...
[06:36] <Whef> Lol.
[06:37] <Whef> *poof* and he's gone.
[06:37] <condon> should be default in konversation if you're on kubuntu :)
[06:37] <martyd> it's default for me and i'm in gnome :s
[06:38] <holycow> sudo apt-gert remove --purge brain?
[06:38] <holycow> *giggle*
[06:38] <holycow> i need to stop drinking
[06:38] <holycow> :)
[06:39] <condon> lol, na
[06:39] <JediatNight> hi all
[06:39] <condon> not at all.  Just don't forget to reinstall once purged
[06:39] <condon> hi jedia
[06:39] <martyd> rm alcohol -i
[06:39] <JediatNight> hey condon
[06:39] <holycow> martyd: hehe
[06:41] <Whef> Back.
[06:41] <Whef> So that didn't work.
[06:41] <Whef> I still get the same Adept error.
[06:41] <condon> sudo apt-get remove adept :)
[06:41] <Whef> ... Lol.
[06:41] <Whef> How will I get it back?
[06:41] <condon> sudo apt-get install adept
[06:41] <courtjesterg> odd i am looking in synaptic manager right now for nvidia i have the 177 installed it said this must be default!!
[06:41] <Whef> ... so you can use adept to reget adept?!
[06:42] <courtjesterg> i should be using 96
[06:42] <condon> Please don't try
[06:42] <courtjesterg> but haaas the font bug
[06:42] <courtjesterg> my x seerver isn't up either
[06:42] <Whef> condon: We have a problem.
[06:42] <Whef> echolink1833: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[06:43] <Whef> wtf
[06:43] <Whef> Why did it default to echolink...
[06:43] <Whef> E:
[06:43] <condon> what's 'dpkg --configure -a' report?
[06:43] <Whef> I thought you were the smart one >.<"
[06:43] <condon> lol, never claimed to be.  What does it sayu when you 'dpkg --configure -a'?
[06:44] <Whef> Got it
[06:44] <Whef> Ihad to do that then remove adept
[06:44] <bazhang> Whef, run that command with sudo
[06:44] <Whef> Yeah.
[06:44] <Whef> Idid.
[06:44] <condon> ah, unlock it?
[06:44] <bazhang> Whef, what error are you getting exactly with adept
[06:45] <Whef> Umm
[06:45] <condon> sudo killall adept apt apt-get -9
[06:45] <Whef> IT WORKS NOW
[06:45] <Whef> WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[06:45] <condon> try that if all else...nevermind :)
[06:45] <condon> how'd you fix it?
[06:45] <Whef> Umm
[06:45] <Whef> No idea.
[06:45] <condon> lol
[06:45] <Whef> It came as quick as it went.
[06:45] <condon> I love that
[06:45] <Whef> And went as quick as it came.
[06:45] <condon> If only my divorce were like that
[06:46] <bazhang> !offtopic
[06:46] <Whef> LOL.
[06:46] <Whef> Well, obviously condon's wife was a Ubuntu computer.
[06:46] <Whef> And he remarried to a Kubuntu.
[06:46] <Whef> Therefor it's ontopic.
[06:46] <bazhang> please take chit chat to #kubuntu-offtopic
[06:47] <bazhang> Whef, no.
[06:47] <Whef> Hahahha, that was great. "Whef, no." Okay, I'll stop now, until I reach my next problem...which won't be long.
[06:48] <condon> xtoffmpeg.c add_video_stream(): video codec not found
[06:48] <condon> bazhang, any ideas here?
[06:48] <condon> or anyone else?
[06:48] <bazhang> condon, what are you trying to do
[06:48] <condon> using xvidcap
[06:49] <Whef> Next problem: Whenever I load a Java applet on a website Firefox crashes.
[06:49] <condon> can only capture in mpeg1 - and ONLY when my cursor is over the menu for xvidcap
[06:49] <bazhang> Whef, which site or sites
[06:49] <condon> if the cursor isn't over the menu, nothing is captured.  Trying to capture full screen like all those nice kubuntu videos on youtube to show my cousin while he needs linux
[06:50] <Whef> Well actually I was just testing it on the RuneScape one because I know for a fact that uses Java.
[06:50] <bazhang> condon, you are trying to do a screencast? you may wish to try some others
[06:50] <condon> suggestion?
[06:50] <bazhang> !screencast
[06:51] <Whef> Let me ask this: What adept packages are needed in order to get Java web applets to work?
[06:51] <bazhang> kubuntu-restricted-extras
[06:52] <Whef> That's it?
[06:52] <bazhang> !java
[06:53] <bazhang> the extras package will install the java plugin in your browser
[06:53] <Whef> Sweet! Well then f all this other stuff
[06:53] <bazhang> using konqueror?
[06:53] <Whef> I'll report back once I have all the other stuff uninstalled and test this.
[06:53] <Whef> I'm using Firefox.
[06:54] <Whef> Does that make a difference?
[06:54] <bazhang> that'll do it then
[06:54] <bazhang> konq sometimes has troubles
[06:54] <Whef> Ah
[06:54] <Whef> Okay
[06:56] <Whef> CRAP.
[06:56] <Whef> So apparently I can't download anything more.
[06:57] <Whef> Due to the fact that I'm OUT OF DISK SPACE
[06:57] <Whef> EVEN THOUGH I HAVE A 100 GB'S LEFT ON C:\
[06:57] <condon> eh, you don't want windows, just format it
[06:57] <Whef> Idid.
[06:57] <Whef> I've formatted it.
[06:57] <condon> and still can't access it?
[06:57] <Whef> I can.
[06:58] <Whef> But It's not on my Lunix partition.
[06:58] <Whef> So Adept isn't going to use it.
[06:58] <condon> can't bounce some music or video files over to it to make room for adept to install?
[06:58] <Whef> I don't have any music or video files >.>
[06:59] <Whef> Basically all I have are Adept packages.
[06:59] <JediatNight> any ops here?
[06:59] <Whef> What's the best way to move 5GB's of space from a completely formatted C:\ drive to a Linux partition?
[07:00] <JediatNight> Whef: which OS are you running?
[07:00] <Whef> Right now? Linux.
[07:00] <Whef> Kubuntu.
[07:00] <JediatNight> Kubuntu can access NTFS or FAT32 partitions
[07:00] <Whef> Yeah, it's an NTFS.
[07:01] <JediatNight> why can you use Dolphin to access the files ?
[07:01] <Whef> Because Adept won't use the space on my C:\ drive.
[07:02] <Whef> Is there any program for Linux to resize/redistribute Partitions?
[07:02] <JediatNight> are you  moving data from an NTFS partition to an ext3 or ext2 partition assuming that is your linux partition ?
[07:03] <Whef> I'm not moving data, I'm just moving 5GBs of free space over to my ext3 Linux partition.
[07:03] <Whef> And the 5gigs is coming from NTFS, yes.
[07:03] <PSiL0> I had the case of the mysteriously shrinking /root this morning
[07:03] <PSiL0> turns out to be hefty log files at /var/log
[07:03] <Whef> I wish that was my case. I could use the extra space.
[07:03] <PSiL0> or /var/logs
[07:03] <Whef> Lol.
[07:03] <PSiL0> forgot..
[07:04] <PSiL0> you can type: sudo apt-get autoclean
[07:04] <JediatNight> i could see an NTFS partiton with Dolphin , the file manager
[07:04] <PSiL0> sudo apt-get autoremoval
[07:04] <PSiL0> sudo apt-get clean
[07:04] <JediatNight> and you can copy the data with it
[07:04] <PSiL0> to remove old/unused packages from the install process
[07:05] <Whef> Psilo: Neither of those commands worked.
[07:05] <PSiL0> !ati
[07:05] <PSiL0> did you check to see if there are any huge log files in /var/log?
[07:05] <PSiL0> I had to remove three today, each totalling over 1G
[07:06] <woody86> Would there be any differences between the way Kubuntu and Ubuntu work that would make one better to run on a 64bit dual-core AMD?
[07:06] <JediatNight> Whef: can you do the same?
[07:06] <PSiL0> okay back to the movie
[07:06] <Whef> JediatNight: Yes, I can SEE my C:\ drive except that that doesn't help because I need to install Adept packages.
[07:07] <JediatNight> Whef: what has adept got to do with moving or copying data?
[07:07] <hitmanWilly> woody86: nah, all the plumbing's identical
[07:07] <Whef> JediatNight: I need more space on my Linux partition in order to be able to install more Adept packages.
[07:08] <woody86> hitmanWilly, ok, thats what I figured, thanks :)
[07:08] <hitmanWilly> woody86: np man
[07:10] <sjdurfey>  anyway to remove duplicate entries from the listings in Amarok when there is only one copy of the file present?
[07:10] <Whef> *sigh* Be right back... restarting computer.
[07:11] <courtjesterg> when in nvidia server settings where do you save the config file to ?
[07:12] <courtjesterg> ffor .nvidia-settings-rc
[07:12] <courtjesterg> !xserver
[07:12] <courtjesterg> !x server
[07:12] <courtjesterg> !nvidia
[07:14] <PSiL0> !xine
[07:19] <Whef> AH YES
[07:19] <Whef> THANK GOD
[07:20] <condon> Anyone versed at all with VirtualBox?
[07:20] <JediatNight> Whef: are you in wa?
[07:20] <condon> I can't capture my mouse, doesn't seem to recognize usb mice?
[07:20] <courtjesterg> no serriously where does everyone save there x sever config files?
[07:21] <courtjesterg> from x server
[07:22] <courtjesterg> its a simple question that many should have the answer too oh aare people running directx on wine? ;/
[07:23] <Whef> I swear, God has the most fucked up sense of humor ever.
[07:23] <Whef> Right as I was about to send the message "I GOT IT TO WORK"
[07:23] <Whef> My computer froze
[07:23] <Whef> Solid
[07:23] <Whef> With that message
[07:23] <Whef> Still on my screen, in the text box, not sent.
[07:23] <condon> court, you figure out how to run directx on wine, I'd love to know the solution, especially if you're using a seperate nvidia geforce graphics card.
[07:24] <courtjesterg> lol i don't want to but have heard of it
[07:25] <condon> Was trying to run COD World at War - Only issue I ran into was my incompetence to linux/running directx
[07:26] <Whef> Alright, guys. I fixed the Java problem.
[07:26] <condon> great man
[07:26] <condon> little time, sweat, frustration :) But all worth it in the end
[07:27] <Whef> In order to poreply install Java first undo all the things you've already tried, uninstall all of it. Then what you have to do is get onto Adept Manager and install kubuntu-restricted-extras, boot up in Firefox and it should work.
[07:27] <Whef> Granted this is pretty buggy, and the sound keeps skipping but I don't need sound anyways so meh.
[07:27] <Whef> The game runs smooth.
[07:29] <condon> I know on mine, even videos get kinda shady at times, have to reload youtube pages a couple times to get anything but a gray square where the video should be.  A reboot usually fixes it for a while.
[07:30] <gp> hi
[07:31] <gp> on kubuntu laptop when i am running on battery it  doesnt give me any warning when its out of battery
[07:31] <gp> just closes down
[07:31] <gp> its so frustation
[07:32] <gp> why o why
[07:45] <gp> hi
[07:45] <gp> on kubuntu laptop when i am running on battery it  doesnt give me any warning when its out of battery
[07:45] <gp> just closes down
[07:45] <gp> its so frustation
[07:45] <gp> why o why
[07:45] <gp> why o why
[07:45] <gp> why o why
[07:45] <gp> why o why
[07:45] <gp> why o why
[07:45] <hittingpilot> Hello, I have a switch disabled in kmix, and it's not under the channel list.....
[07:45] <gp> hittingpilot: try alamixer from console
[07:46] <gp> on kubuntu laptop when i am running on battery it  doesnt give me any warning when its out of battery
[07:46] <gp> just closes down
[07:46] <gp> why o why
[07:46] <gp> why kubuntu is not giving warning when out of battery
[07:46] <gp> why kubuntu is not giving warning when out of battery
[07:46] <gp> why kubuntu is not giving warning when out of battery
[07:46] <gp> why kubuntu is not giving warning when out of battery
[07:46] <gp> why kubuntu is not giving warning when out of battery
[07:46] <gp> why kubuntu is not giving warning when out of battery
[07:46] <hittingpilot> gp: no such luck
[07:46] <gp> calling huston
[07:50] <gp> on kubuntu laptop when i am running on battery it  doesnt give me any warning when its out of battery
[07:50] <gp> why kubuntu is not giving warning when out of battery
[07:50] <gp> just closes down
[07:50] <gp> calling huston
[07:50] <gp> why o why
[07:50] <gp> why o why
[07:50] <gp> why o why
[07:50] <gp> why o why
[07:50] <gp> anybody living
[07:51] <hittingpilot> gp: that is quite annoying
[07:51] <ubunturos> gp: I guess, not many are aware of what the problem could actually be
[07:52] <ubunturos> gp: this probably has to do something with acpid
[07:53] <hittingpilot> I have a switch disabled in kmix, and it's not under the channel list.....
[07:54] <joseph> !repeat
[08:03] <binMonkey> !patience
[08:03] <binMonkey> !birthin'nobabies.
[08:07] <hittingpilot> I'm sorry it's just frustrating..... it works fine in gnome... but when I installed into KDE I can't find that one little switch...
[08:08] <QContinueum> so post in the forums
[08:09] <condon> does anyone in here run intrepid and know how to get a freaking mouse working in virtualbox?
[08:10] <condon> Been trolling forums and can't make anything work.
[08:20] <noaXess> is there a way to get back the taskicons?.. cause sometimes they are not painted correctly
[08:21] <noaXess> exampe now, the kdewallet icon is black but it's running..
[08:22] <woody86> how can I get the proper screen resolution to work, when its not listed in the options?
[08:22] <noaXess> woody86: i thin yo have to edit /etx/X11/xorg.conf to get more resolutoin options
[08:22] <noaXess> !xorg | woody86
[08:23] <woody86> noaXess, thanks :)
[08:23] <noaXess> nop
[08:24] <noaXess> .. i edit my keyboard shortcuts.. in kde3 i had a lot.. but i know not all of dem work in kde4.. but.. how to recover standard keyboard sc's in kde4? cause eg. for KDE Menu Editor for the same action there are over 10 entries...
[08:33] <Neremor> hello!
[08:33] <Neremor> i've a problem with wine
[08:33] <Neremor> I would like to run a .NET based program using wine, but i get the following error message:
[08:34] <Neremor> The assembly was not found in the Global Assembly Cache, a path listed in the MONO_PATH environment variable, or in the location of the executing assembly (/home/jonathan/.wine/drive_c/Programme/ImoConnect/).
[08:34] <Neremor> and wine is telling me something about microsoft visual basic ver 8.0.0.0.0.0 ;) one line above
[08:40] <JohnFlux> Neremor: #wine maybe?
[08:42] <Neremor> wine is an invite only channel
[08:43] <Neremor> oh sorry
[09:10] <motosir> hellos
[09:14] <MilitantPotato> Would I be able to put KDE 3.5 on Intrepid?
[09:44] <fishnchipss> .
[09:45] <jsunio> I'm lost. Can anybody help me find the internet?
[09:45] <jsunio> I bought something called Vista and I'm trying to find the internet on it.
[09:46] <fishnchipss> you must follow the 'yellow brick road'
[09:46] <jsunio> I think the internet has sports.
[09:48] <elwood> hi all
[09:48] <jsunio> Hello. Welcome to #kubuntu.
[09:48] <fishnchipss> sports cars ?? sports coats ??
[09:48] <elwood> there is a way to get kde 4.2 on intrepid without building from sources?
[09:49] <jsunio> To ask for a list of commands, type "help commands"
[09:51] <dwidmann> MilitantPotato: no.
[09:51] <jsunio> things are complicated
[09:51] <dwidmann> MilitantPotato: unless you want to compile it
[09:52] <jsunio> Don't spend time on it unless you're going to check it in.
[09:52] <dwidmann> elwood: maybe it'll be possible after the first beta
[09:53] <elwood> dwidmann: ok, is still and alpha? and do you know about amarok or digikam? the -kde4 pack disappear from my repo!
[09:54] <dwidmann> elwood: amarok is at beta 2 or 3 and there are packages for it ... it won't have feature parity with version 1.4 until version 2.2 or so
[09:54] <dwidmann> elwood: digikam is in the works but there aren't any packages for it yet
[09:55] <elwood> ok
[09:55] <elwood> thank you dwidmann
[09:55] <dwidmann> elwood: with regards to -kde4, in intrepid, kde3 has been removed almost completely ... so what once was, for example, konsole-kde4, is now just konsole ... also, they're all in /usr/bin now.
[09:56] <elwood> oh well, i should imagine this
[10:04] <ThomasD> can anyone tell me how I can get a list of all upgradable backages with apt-get
[10:04] <ThomasD> ?
[10:09] <jsunio> Could you do auto upgrade then copy paste?
[10:16] <bazhang> ThomasD, you want to update your system via the command line?
[10:17] <bazhang> ThomasD, sudo apt-get update  then sudo apt-get upgrade
[10:17] <ThomasD> nop, I only want a list of the upgradable packages
[10:17] <noaXess> is there a way to complete restore the default keyboard shortcut's in kde4?
[10:17] <ThomasD> then I want to upgrade the packages I want
[10:17] <noaXess> is there an config file to restore?
[10:18] <ThomasD> noaXess: #kde  ;-)
[10:18] <noaXess> ThomasD: :)
[10:18] <jsunio> help apt-get ?
[10:18] <noaXess> !apt-get | jsunio
[10:18] <ThomasD> read through it already jsunio
[10:19] <jsunio> How about -s (simulation)?
[10:22] <ThomasD> thats a good one jsunio
[10:22] <ThomasD> thanx
[10:23] <jsunio> oh wow was that really it?
[10:24] <jsunio> apt-get --help
[10:32] <a> hi, how do i tell ubuntu NOT to hide any file names like .txt ?
[10:32] <UnderWraps_> I don't think you have to
[10:33] <a> have to?
[10:33] <a> do you see any files without an extension (.txt?)?
[10:34] <dwidmann> a: a lot of the time ... files are simply named without an extension in linux ... is that the case here?
[10:34] <jsunio> Aha, what file browser are you using!!
[10:34] <a> dwidmann no
[10:35] <a> windows does the same thing, if a prgram recognises your file it removes the extensiion from view, can be a nightmare
[10:35] <jsunio> I use konquerer and I can see file .ext
[10:36] <dwidmann> Same here with Dolphin
[10:36] <a> i have text files here no extension
[10:37] <a> therefore if i saved stuff i edited as to be opened in txt i couldnt see later what had what extension an if i forgot i'd be boosled
[10:37] <jsunio> I think it would be based on what program you are using to view the files.
[10:37] <jsunio> The OS itself doesnt have any settings like that (right?)
[10:37] <a> i think its based on windows
[10:37] <a> right
[10:37]  * dr_willis missed the problem
[10:37] <jsunio> Based on windows??
[10:38] <jsunio> Please explain
[10:38] <dr_willis> Linux   does not need any file extensions. :)   but  the ones that are normally uised are basially the standard ones ysed by windows
[10:38] <dr_willis> text files do not need .txt :)
[10:38] <a> dr_willis : it may handy to spot the difference between md3 and md4 and md5
[10:38] <dwidmann> with regards to "a: a lot of the time ... files are simply named without an extension in linux ... is that the case here?", if you don't explicitly give one, it won't have one. See also whqat dr_willis just said
[10:38] <a> dr_willis: where once it was mP3 mP4
[10:39] <a> no dwidmann the actual real opne
[10:39] <dr_willis> extensions like tha thelp the user.. :) not the OS. mainly
[10:39] <jsunio> User Input Error
[10:39] <a> dr_willis, but removing them from sight doesnt help at all
[10:40] <jsunio> What kind of computer are you using?
[10:40] <a> dr_willis, at least not if you cannot make them visible
[10:40]  * dr_willis recalls having to teach several windows users that just changing a file name from .bmp to .jpg does NOT convert the file to jpg.
[10:40] <a> albeit a lot tidier if the ext doesnt interest you
[10:41] <jsunio> Oh I found it. There is a button on the outside of the computer that enables file extensions
[10:41] <a> !action knocks dr_willis on the head and waves a .ink and a .txt in front of him
[10:42] <a> \action starts to pull the hair out
[10:42] <a> hey why mine doesnt work
[10:42] <jsunio> Hey a, what program are you using to VIEW the files?
[10:42] <dwidmann> a: user error
[10:43] <dwidmann> /me blah blah blah
[10:43] <a> jsunio, this is the thinking i am fighting against, plain old ubuntu to VIEW the extention if that was nessecary
[10:43] <jsunio> Where is the file located, desktop or not desktop?
[10:44] <dwidmann> jsunio: you still haven't mentioned which programs this is pertaining to
[10:44] <a> jsunio, this is of no matter
[10:44] <dwidmann> erm, meant a
[10:44] <a> jsunio, lets say text based documents
[10:44] <a> where is the .txt then?
[10:44] <jsunio> I understand that.
[10:44] <a> @dwidmann sorry
[10:45] <a> or anyone
[10:45] <a> its nioce to hide the ext but also to see it
[10:45] <a> *nice
[10:45] <jsunio> What program are you using
[10:45] <a> in the "properties" at least mebbe
[10:45] <jsunio> what program are you using
[10:45] <a> jsunio, i was using blender on windows
[10:45] <a> and other stuff
[10:45] <jsunio> WINDOWS???????
[10:46] <jsunio> Call Microsoft tech support
[10:46] <a> jsunio, i have the same problem on the ubuntu
[10:46] <a> ha
[10:46] <jsunio> What program are you using on ubuntu
[10:47] <jsunio> I knew you were a windows spy!
[10:47] <a> yeah
[10:48] <a> ok jsunio, i have a shortcut to a wine program, no extention
[10:48] <Baulders> I have real problems with my wifi on amd64 intrepid, I think since 2.6.27-8. I have tried 2 usb wifi dongles and my pci card - all webpages are taking 5 mins to load
[10:48] <jsunio> Wine is like drinking through your nose
[10:49] <jsunio> Try renaming the file from shortcut to shortcut.txt
[10:49] <a> no thats like saying "dont press this button"
[10:49] <jsunio> It's interesting, but it tastes like boogers.
[10:49] <a> see
[10:50] <a> if it hasnt slowed you down it wont stop you
[10:50] <a> on windows, for instance, sometimes changing the extention on a "recognised" file doesnt work and you might get file.ink.txt
[10:51] <a> i havent seen so far in ubuntu but the exts are hidden completely
[10:51] <jsunio> Oh maybe, I havent actually found any files yet
[10:51] <a> see that file on the wall...
[10:52] <jsunio> Does making a new file work?
[10:53] <a> possibly but i dont want to make a new file every time i forget what extention the old files had
[10:53] <jsunio> Be sure to give all your files names when you make them
[10:53] <Jampiter> Hi, I have a tiny problem with KDE4.. not really a problem, more of an irritance
[10:53] <bjaimes> HOLA A TODOS
[10:54] <Jampiter> For some reason, the start-up sound doesn't play. I've checked in 'Notifications' and it's set to play.. is there a way to make it work?
[10:54] <jsunio> Does other sound work?
[10:55] <Jampiter> Yeah
[10:55] <Jampiter> It plays the log off sounds jsunio
[10:55] <Jampiter> And other system sounds
[10:56] <jsunio> It must be the order in which the sound "module" gets loaded into memory or something?
[10:56] <Jampiter> Seems like it. How do I change the order?
[10:56] <jsunio> Try rewriting the kernel completely and see if that works.
[10:57] <a> can i sing a song?
[10:57] <jsunio> There might be an easier way which I don't know of
[10:57] <Jampiter> ...
[10:57] <jsunio> #kubuntu-offtopic
[10:57] <Jampiter> Ok
[10:57] <a> O'er low, ly prison walls,
[10:57] <a> i heard a young girl call,
[10:57] <bazhang> a not here
[10:58] <a> "Michael, they are takin' you away....",
[10:58] <bazhang> !offtopic | a
[10:58] <a> "for you stole the bursars corn,"
[10:58] <a> "so the bairns might see the morn'",
[10:58] <a> it's so lonely round the feilds of Athenry
[10:59] <a> Low, lie, the fields of Athenry
[10:59] <jsunio> Understandable though, because this channel is more lively
[10:59] <Saroset> Why does this make me think of a drunken hobo with a guitar playing for tips?
[10:59] <a> where once, we watched, the small freebirds fly,
[10:59] <a> our love was on the wing,
[10:59] <a> we had faith and songs to sing,
[10:59] <jsunio> If a tree falls in the forest
[10:59] <a> it's so loonely round the fileds,
[10:59] <bazhang> a stop
[10:59] <a> of Athenry.
[11:05] <a> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBSC1e9o5pA
[11:06] <bjaimes> hola a todo @s
[11:07] <concernedcitizen> is there a bug with the print queue
[11:07] <concernedcitizen> everytime I try to print a document, it prints out the first few pages and then stop
[11:07] <concernedcitizen> and in my queue, it puts there as 'stopped'
[11:10] <jsunio> Printing doesnt even work on my printer
[11:11] <jsunio> I once got it to make a sound by trying random drivers
[11:13] <noaXess> hav intrepid but amarok 1.4 instead of 2.x is installed.. what need i remove/install that i have amarok 2?
[11:15] <concernedcitizen> anybody?
[11:16] <jsunio> You could try installing a 2nd operating system?
[11:17] <concernedcitizen> I have windows VM
[11:18] <concernedcitizen> but that wouldn't help because it still uses my host OS's printer
[11:18] <concernedcitizen> driver
[11:20] <jsunio> Doh!
[11:20] <jsunio> How about live drive of a different distro?
[11:21] <ThomasD> concernedcitizen: if you use your printer in windows vm it will use the windows drivers
[11:22] <ThomasD> concernedcitizen: vmware or virtualbox? I only have experience with virtualbox
[11:23] <concernedcitizen> virtualbox
[11:23] <noaXess> i want have amarok 2 on my intrepid kde4.. but in adept i find just amarok 1.4.. but amarok 2 should be available for intrepid kde4 right?
[11:23] <dwidmann> ThomasD: there are certainly other possibilities ... xen, kvm, qemu ....
[11:23] <ThomasD> dwidmann: yeah I know, but those aren't as widly used
[11:24] <ThomasD> concernedcitizen: so when you print from your VM you still get same bug?
[11:24] <dwidmann> ThomasD: ubuntu certainly seems to push kvm very hard, but I think it's only for server-ish stuff.
[11:25] <ThomasD> dwidmann: are we talkin about server here? no didn't think so
[11:27] <woody86> so what's the whole point of having the "Desktop Box" thing rather than just having the icons appear on the desktop like they always do?
[11:27] <woody86> in KDE 4*
[11:29] <concernedcitizen> giving it a shot now
[11:32] <concernedcitizen> ThomasD:  there's no printer in my VM
[11:33] <ThomasD> concernedcitizen: usb printer?
[11:34] <concernedcitizen> yeah
[11:35] <concernedcitizen> usb devices under devices shows nothing
[11:41] <bazhang> concernedcitizen, is this virtualbox-ose
[11:41] <bjaimes> hola a tod "s
[11:41] <jsunio> How about dmesg | tail
[11:41] <bazhang> !es | bjaimes
[11:43] <concernedcitizen> bazhang: no
[11:43] <concernedcitizen> i'm using the one grabbed off sun
[11:47] <bazhang> concernedcitizen, which printer? and have you tried printing from pdf
[11:48] <Kalidarn> eh is kubuntu LSB compliant?
[11:48] <Kalidarn> ie version 8.10
[11:49] <Kalidarn> i assume it follows the same compliancy as ubuntu
[11:49] <concernedcitizen> samsung ml-1610
[11:49] <judgen> Anyone know why my systray is all black and strange?
[11:53] <dr_willis> its depressed?
[11:56] <natschil> lol
[12:03] <judgen> dr_willis: Might be =P
[12:04] <ThomasD> concernedcitizen: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=845901 or https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VirtualBox to get usb working
[12:08] <woody86> how can I change the default screen brightness in Kubuntu? The settings don't carry over from gnome-power-manager
[12:10] <a> hi, i have been having difficulty creating a shortcut, any advice?
[12:11] <a> i tried "make link" but it doesnt runthe program
[12:14] <dr_willis> Heh - i dont use kde4 enough to even asnswer you a.
[12:14] <dr_willis> kde4 twiddled with a lot of 'basic' operations
[12:15] <a> i have the gnome one i think myself but i dont know the difference, my chat opens kubuntu by default dr_willis
[12:16] <dr_willis> gnome - create launchter in the desktop menus, or just drag/drop  an icon from the menus to the panel/desktop
[12:16] <a> where is this create lancher dr_willis?
[12:16] <dr_willis> yes
[12:16] <a> where?
[12:17] <dr_willis> In the gnome menus, on the desktopp.. if you are using gnome...
[12:17] <jonah> hey guys struggling to find openoffice 3 debs for amd64? how come kubuntu doesn't have oo3 yet? does anyone know any repos or anywhere i can get it?
[12:18] <a> can't find it dr_willis
[12:18] <dr_willis> are you usign gnome? or KDE.. thats the big wuestion
[12:18] <dr_willis> if using GNOME you can just drag an icon from the menus to the desktop
[12:18] <dr_willis> jonah,  they exist. and last i heard.. they are buggy
[12:25] <noaXess> amarok2 should be in the repos for intrepid right?
[12:26] <noaXess> !amarok2
[12:26] <noaXess> !amarok
[12:28] <noaXess> can't find amaro fpr intrepid
[12:34] <noaXess> any idea? i read on kubuntus page that amarok2 beta 3 has been released and packages are available for Kubuntu 8.10, the Intrepid Ibex.. but can't find packages
[12:35] <noaXess> ok.. need to go..
[12:35] <noaXess> see ya later..
[12:36] <hp> hi everybody
[12:37] <hp> 我的UBUNTU很慢
[12:37] <bazhang> !cn | hp
[12:38] <hp>  i see
[12:52] <k0nd0r> hi..could anyone tell me how can i read .pdf ?
[12:52] <whitesox> hy
[12:52] <dr_willis> !pdf
[12:52] <k0nd0r> pdf.... adobe acrobat reader?:P
[12:54] <bazhang> !find pdf
[12:55] <bazhang> !info kpdf
[12:56] <dr_willis> It think envince has replaced it.. or that other app
[12:56] <dr_willis> ocular?
[12:57] <bazhang> odd; apt-cache search shows kpdf
[12:57] <k0nd0r> ...
[12:58] <bazhang> k0nd0r, try apt-cache search kpdf
[12:58] <dig> k0nd0r: no kpdf in your machine?
[12:58] <k0nd0r> ehm...
[12:58] <k0nd0r> where is it?:P
[12:59] <dig> type kpdf in terminal?
[12:59] <k0nd0r> i got one .pdf and i am trying to open it..let me c if it has a program
[12:59] <k0nd0r> kpdf command not found
[12:59] <bazhang> try in package manager or apt-cache search kpdf
[13:00] <bentob0x> anybody has a link on how to make your Kubuntu install the leanest possible?
[13:00] <bazhang> bentob0x, use the minimal installer
[13:00] <bazhang> !minimal
[13:03] <bentob0x> that looks goodo bazhang, thank you
[13:03] <bentob0x> but can you choose KDE?
[13:07] <pansz> in intrepid you should use okular instead of kpdf
[13:07] <pansz> kpdf has got a new name: okular
[13:09] <athlonkaempfer> hallo
[13:10] <bazhang> bentob0x, you can choose whatever you want
[13:10] <dig> I think okular is based on kpdf?
[13:17] <k0nd0r> is there any good editor for writing C programs? i use pico but i dont like it...one that has color in the commands?
[13:18] <ThomasD> k0nd0r: check out kdevelop
[13:18] <ThomasD> !kdevelop
[13:18] <bazhang> !info kdevelop
[13:18] <ThomasD> http://www.kdevelop.org/
[13:18] <pansz> kdecn.org 官方是否有类似“加入我们”之类的连接？
[13:18] <bazhang> !cn | pansz
[13:19] <pansz> sorry I've posted on the wrong channel
[13:19] <bazhang> np
[13:19] <k0nd0r> thanx thomasD
[13:19] <ThomasD> np
[13:20] <k0nd0r> is there another? running from bash shell? so that i use the commands to compile etc
[13:21] <k0nd0r> sudo apt-get install kdevelop ?
[13:22] <ThomasD> jeppa
[13:23] <ThomasD> you can also use kate as editor it has a built in console, so you can compile from commandline in your text editor ;-)
[13:24] <ThomasD> k0nd0r: ;-)
[13:24] <ThomasD> k0nd0r: and it also has colors in the code ;-)
[13:28] <athlonkaempfer> !de
[13:28] <athlonkaempfer> hallo
[13:29] <athlonkaempfer> Frage - ich nutze Kubuntu 8.04, das letzte KDE Update auf 4.13 wurde mir nicht angeboten, kommt das noch?
[13:29] <athlonkaempfer> oder bleibt das 8.10 vorbehalten?
[13:29] <ThomasD> !de | athlonkaempfer
[13:29] <bazhang> athlonkaempfer, english here please
[13:30] <athlonkaempfer> ups, i was in kubuntu-de, false tab
[13:30] <athlonkaempfer> sry
[13:34] <jonasbet> hi
[13:34] <jonasbet> does anyone know how to mount an external hard disck?
[13:35] <ThomasD> plug in and have fun ^^
[13:35] <jonasbet> it does work
[13:35] <ThomasD> jonasbet: so whats the problem?
[13:36] <jonasbet> unclean shutdown failed to mount
[13:36] <jonasbet> that the error message
[13:36] <ThomasD> jonasbet: commandline $ sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /media/disk
[13:36] <ThomasD> whats the filesystem on the disk?
[13:36] <ThomasD> ext3, fat32, ntfs?
[13:36] <jonasbet> ntfs
[13:37] <ThomasD> could be you need to run a fsck
[13:37] <ThomasD> but i don't know if linux does that for ntfs
[13:37] <jonasbet> fsck?
[13:38] <jonasbet> what is that?
[13:38] <ThomasD> filesystem check
[13:38] <jonasbet> to check the hard disk?
[13:38] <ThomasD> it's a command line application
[13:38] <ThomasD> jep
[13:38] <jonasbet> i think the problem could be that it is also a media player
[13:39] <jonasbet> and it coulb be in player mode
[13:39] <ThomasD> were you able to mount it before?
[13:39] <jonasbet> never
[13:39] <ThomasD> hah
[13:39] <jonasbet> i have been using linux only one week
[13:39] <jonasbet> ;OP
[13:39] <ThomasD> yeah well euhm
[13:39] <jonasbet> thanksssssss
[13:39] <jonasbet> i will do it on windowns
[13:40] <jonasbet> it is a long way to quit microsoft
[13:40] <jonasbet> thanks thomasd
[13:40] <ThomasD> np
[13:48] <diogo> hey everyone, I'm using kubuntu 8.10 and I'd like to know if it is possible to have a second panel on the desktop?
[14:10] <antoranz> Hi, guys!
[14:10] <antoranz> amarok doesn't want to start on my intrepid box
[14:12] <ThomasD> antoranz: start it from commandline and give output
[14:12] <antoranz> http://www.pastebin.ca/1256930
[14:12] <antoranz> sure.... give me a second
[14:14] <RainCT> Hi
[14:14] <RainCT> Why is kooka no longer available in Intrepid?
[14:15] <antoranz> Some stuff, and then........ Amarok: [Loader] Amarok is taking a long time to load! Perhaps something has gone wrong?
[14:16] <ThomasD> antoranz: check #amarok ;-)
[14:17] <antoranz> http://www.pastebin.ca/1256937
[14:17] <antoranz> ok
[14:19] <bentob0x> the ram of my laptop is 256, will I choose 512 as swap or a bit more?
[14:19] <bentob0x> knowing that I have a 10Gb HD
[14:20] <bentob0x> 768 maybe?
[14:20] <ThomasD> 512 should be sufficient
[14:21] <antoranz> well... thanks anyway. :-)
[14:21] <bentob0x> I entered 512 but it's written 509 now
[14:21] <bentob0x> I know there is the 1024 bytes for 1 K etc
[14:21] <ThomasD> doen't raly mather
[14:21] <bentob0x> but shouldn't it be a bit more?
[14:21] <bentob0x> k
[14:22] <bentob0x> thx
[14:24] <pustiu> hi people ? did sombody know whai is happening with video drivers for nvidia in ubuntu because the broweser is closing
[14:26] <pustiu> just if i install nvidia driver from envy , i have problems
[14:27] <pustiu> in you tube for exampla i can"t see in the full screen , jsut in little screen
[14:27] <finswimmer> hello, i have a Medion MD 95500. but my laptop shuts not down automatically. my other md95500 with gentoo shuts down. so i think it is a kernel issue. what can i do?
[14:28] <pustiu> finswimmer: u must install md manualy
[14:29] <finswimmer> pustiu: but when there is an automatic kernel update it will be overwritten?
[14:33] <pustiu> i did see today , somthing , check list of laptops for linux
[14:33] <pustiu> w8
[14:33] <ActionParsnip1> hey all
[14:33] <notriddle> ActionParsnip1: Hi.
[14:33] <ActionParsnip1> i have opera lovingly installed and it kicks ass over firefox
[14:33] <ActionParsnip1> is it possible to make websites think im running firefox
[14:34] <notriddle> ActionParsnip1: I don't know. Ask on #opera
[14:34] <ActionParsnip1> like when it checks what browser i am running
[14:35] <howitzermod_> hello
[14:36] <maxbaldwin> hello, howitzermod_
[14:36] <pustiu> finswimmer: i don"t know whre to find iit right now , i"m very sleapy , maybe if u keep searching a lsit of laptops for linux ?
[14:37] <pustiu> u will find somthing very intersting , and all data taht u need , i do"nt remember the web page , but u can write at search list of compatible laptops to run linux
[14:37] <pustiu> or somthing like that
[14:43] <abbie> hello
[14:44] <maxbaldwin> hello abbie.
[14:44] <abbie> i'm trying to clone my monitor with tv -but tv output comes out in black and white
[14:44] <notriddle> abbie: Perhaps it's set that way (System Settings->Display).
[14:45] <howitzermod_> umm sorry to interject but im completely new and need help using pygame so i am asking here as there is noone on the pygame irc
[14:46] <abbie> i cant see tv output in display - i've used nvidia settings - i have an old geforce4  mx460 and using nvidia-glx96 . is that the correct one?
[14:47] <notriddle> howitzermod_: There are still more appropriate channels (maybe #python?).
[14:48] <howitzermod_> ook thank you for directing me
[14:52] <Werenerd> hey all - does anyone know how to download a program ad all dependencies so that I can take it to a computer with no internet access?
[14:52] <emma> It really angers me that when I intalled firefox it installed all these gnome programs.
[14:52] <emma> why would installing firefox install synaptic?
[14:52] <Werenerd> emma - did it maybe install ubuntu-desktop?
[14:53] <emma> It's outrageous! I wanted to use Kubuntu!
[14:53] <Werenerd> look in adept with the installed flag for ubuntu-desktop
[14:54] <emma> Werenerd: just about! When you install firefox on Kubuntu it installs a TON of GNOME libs and programs!
[14:54] <notriddle> emma: Try apt-get install --no-install-recommends firefox, instead of apt-get install firefox.
[14:54] <emma> That's surely a bug. Someone who has high access in the K/Ubuntu community please do something!
[14:54] <Werenerd> I have firefox, but that is the only gtk app it installed. Libraries yes, but not apps
[14:54] <emma> notriddle: can that be done even now after I've already installed firefox?
[14:55] <emma> How do we clean out all the GNOME libs?
[14:55] <notriddle> emma: Uninstall it, run apt-get autoremove, then do it.
[14:55] <notriddle> emma: apt-get autoremove should do it.
[14:58] <stdin> emma: do what notriddle said, then "sudo apt-get --no-install-recommends install firefox". see https://launchpad.net/bugs/292403
[14:59] <nado> ng max payne? it should run perfectly, but all i get/j #xorg
[15:00] <abbie> Werenerd: if you did apt-get clean - apt-get install <program> - tar -cvxf /var/cache/apt/archives - that would have all
[15:02] <froduntu> I know probably this is not the channel where to seek help with this
[15:02] <froduntu> but I've got a problem
[15:02] <froduntu> login into ubuntu
[15:02] <froduntu> kde is working though
[15:03] <froduntu> it says to check .xsession-errors
[15:03] <notriddle> frodunto: So you installed ubuntu-desktop on Kubuntu, and GNOME isn't starting, but KDE is?
[15:03] <froduntu> that is correct
[15:03] <froduntu> kde is loaded
[15:04] <froduntu> I checked the file .xsession-errors
[15:04] <froduntu> I have a copy of it here http://paste.ubuntu.com/72373/
[15:06] <usuario_> HELOW
[15:06] <froduntu> hi usuario_
[15:07] <froduntu> try not to use caps, because it seems as if you were yelling
[15:08] <froduntu> notriddle: any ideas?
[15:12] <notriddle> froduntu: It looks like you don't have PulseAudio.
[15:12] <notriddle> !pulseaudio
[15:12] <Kovert> I can not access my floppy cqan some one help?
[15:12] <froduntu> gotcha
[15:12] <froduntu> notriddle: thanks
[15:13] <froduntu> I'll try installing PulseAudio
[15:13] <Kovert> any one here ever see a floppy?
[15:14] <froduntu> Kovert: what do you mean?
[15:14] <notriddle> Kovert: Yep, though the system I'm using doesn't have one.
[15:14] <Kovert> I cant seem to mount it and see it
[15:14] <yasir> hi
[15:14] <yasir> millet
[15:14] <Kovert> I need to move soem fat files on it
[15:14] <froduntu> hm...  are you sure the floppy is good?
[15:14] <notriddle> Kovert: Do you know the device your floppy is on?
[15:14] <froduntu> it could be damaged
[15:14] <froduntu> you could try a dd_rescue on the floppy
[15:15] <Kovert> standard 8.10
[15:15] <froduntu> I don't know what device number is your floppy but you can do
[15:15] <Kovert> I think it is a mount issue
[15:15] <froduntu> somethink like
[15:15] <froduntu> dd_rescue /dev/fd0 ~/Desktop/floppy.backup.dd
[15:15] <notriddle> Kovert: What device is your floppy on, and what happends when you try to mount it?
[15:15] <froduntu> then do the opposite with a fresh new floppy
[15:16] <yasir> is ubuntu
[15:16] <Kovert> looks like "/dev/fd
[15:16] <froduntu> dd_rescue ~/Desktop/floppy.backup.dd /dev/fd0
[15:16] <yasir> hi group
[15:16] <froduntu> hi
[15:16] <Kovert> dont need the resque yet
[15:16] <Kovert> juts need to access
[15:16] <Kovert> it is a new floppy
[15:16] <froduntu> Kovert: I understand
[15:16] <notriddle> Kovert: Okay. What happens when you try to mount it?
[15:16] <yasir> I from turkey
[15:16] <notriddle> !turkey
[15:17] <Kovert> nothing I think i am mounting it wrong
[15:17] <Kovert> "/dev/fd /mnt/fd"
[15:17] <notriddle> Kovert: Run mount /dev/fd /mnt. Any output?
[15:17] <Kovert> or /media/fd
[15:17] <yasir> thank you ubottu
[15:18] <Kovert> "/proc/7888/fd is not a block device
[15:18] <froduntu> yeah, make sure you have the fd folder waiting for it wherever you are mounting
[15:18] <notriddle> !floppy
[15:19]  * notriddle should have thought of ubottu before as having the answer.
[15:19] <Kovert> will try thabks
[15:19] <froduntu> notriddle: do you think it is the floppy ? (I think it is the floppy that went south)
[15:19] <froduntu> that is why I was suggesting the dd dump
[15:20] <Kovert> no entry in fstab at all!
[15:20] <Kovert> for the floppy
[15:20] <notriddle> froduntu: That depends. Does Ubuntu know how to mount the floppy automatically (I didn't think that would work because the system would have to poll the disk).
[15:21] <froduntu> gotcha
[15:21] <Kovert> ok changed the fstab
[15:21] <froduntu> I'm new to Linux for the most part.. I work all day long fixing Micro$oft stuff
[15:21] <Kovert> how do i reload it
[15:22] <Hydrogen> you just lost any hope you ever have of being cool
[15:22] <Hydrogen> by saying micro$oft
[15:22] <notriddle> Kovert: Okay. Just run mount /dev/fd0.
[15:22] <Hydrogen> sorry
[15:22] <emma> stdin notriddle  okay
[15:22] <PSiL0> !video
[15:22] <bernyfox> help please) I need russian channel
[15:22] <froduntu> Hydrogen: I'm not hoping to be cool
[15:22] <notriddle> !russian
[15:22] <froduntu> I just am
[15:22] <Hydrogen> how about respected...
[15:22] <bernyfox> thanx)
[15:23] <Kovert> special device /dev/fd0 does not exist
[15:23] <Kovert> ok later I am closer
[15:23] <froduntu> Hydrogen: I recomend Tao-Te-King
[15:23] <froduntu> hahhaa
[15:23] <notriddle> Kovert: Try /dev/fd instead of /dev/fd0.
[15:23] <froduntu> yeah, sorry Kovertthat was my bad
[15:24] <emma> stdin, notriddle , firefox is a metapackage
[15:24] <Kovert> can't find /dev/fd in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[15:24] <stdin> emma: ok, firefox-3.0
[15:24] <froduntu> Kovert: are you multibooting?
[15:24] <Kovert> hehe not yet
[15:24] <froduntu> ok
[15:25] <Kovert> I think i have to change fstab slightly
[15:25] <froduntu> Kovert: has this floppy drive worked?
[15:25] <notriddle> Kovert: Replace /dev/fd0 with /dev/fd (the info seems to be old).
[15:25] <Kovert> juts did
[15:25] <notriddle> Kovert: And does mount /dev/fd work?
[15:25] <Kovert> mount: /proc/8152/fd is not a block device
[15:26]  * notriddle thinks Kovert meant "just did".
[15:26] <froduntu> Kovert: excuse the stupidity of my question but, again
[15:26] <Kovert> he did ! :-)
[15:26] <froduntu> has this drive worked?
[15:26] <emma> locate gnome still finds a lot of stuff with gnome in it
[15:26] <Kovert> yes
[15:26] <emma> is there just a lot of files on kubuntu with the word gnome in it?
[15:26] <notriddle> Kovert: Is /dev/fd a symlink to /proc/8152/fd?
[15:26] <Kovert> dont know
[15:26] <notriddle> emma: No. They really are GNOME stuff, I think.
[15:27] <froduntu> emma: you might have programs that belong to the gnome project
[15:27] <emma> froduntu: I hope not.
[15:27] <Kovert> well i give up for now
[15:27] <froduntu> emma: why?
[15:27] <Kovert> notriddle: thanks anyway
[15:27] <Werenerd> sorry all - kids got me. Back now
[15:27] <emma> froduntu: don't we want our kubuntu to be pure?
[15:28] <froduntu> emma: no
[15:28] <notriddle> Kovert: You're welcome.
[15:28] <notriddle> Kovert: Do you need the floppy?
[15:28] <froduntu> emma: there are programs from gnome that we all use on a regular basis
[15:28] <froduntu> well not all
[15:28] <emma> Some people feel that it makes no difference if you have gnome libs on kubuntu and others feel it is not good.
[15:28] <froduntu> but most of us
[15:28] <notriddle> emma: What type of stuff does locate list?
[15:28] <emma> froduntu: like what?
[15:29] <froduntu> gedit
[15:29] <froduntu> (I use it on a daily basis)
[15:29] <emma> /etc/gnome-vfs-2.0/modules
[15:29] <notriddle> froduntu: I don't.
[15:29] <emma> /home/em/.gnome2
[15:29] <emma> /usr/bin/gnome-umount
[15:29] <froduntu> notriddle: that is ok
[15:29] <emma> /usr/lib/gnome-keyring
[15:29] <emma> just to name a few.
[15:29] <notriddle> emma: When you run "apt-get autoremove", does it offer to remove anything?
[15:30] <stdin> emma: "dpkg -l|grep gnome" see what's installed and what gets removed when you try to remove them
[15:30]  * notriddle thinks I should've added sudo.
[15:30]  * notriddle thinks he should've added sudo.
[15:31] <froduntu> brb
[15:31] <emma> !pastebin
[15:31] <notriddle> emma: Of course, stuff in your home directory (~/.gnome2) can probably just be rm'ed.
[15:31] <emma> http://paste.ubuntu.com/72396/  this is from dpkg -l | grep gnome
[15:32] <stdin> emma: so you only have gnome-keyring, libgnome-keyring0 and libpam-gnome-keyring installed there
[15:32] <emma> I wonder why they would have made Firefox install GNOME libs. I always thought that Firefox was DE agnostic.
[15:33] <emma> I need to tell people that Firefox has decided to be a GNOME app.
[15:33] <stdin> emma: read the bug link I gave you, it explains it more
[15:33] <froduntu> back
[15:33] <emma> okay
[15:33] <notriddle> emma: Try uninstalling some of them (one-by-one), to see what goes with them. Some of them (keyring, for example) shouldn't be needed by firefox (though probably ubufox).
[15:33] <froduntu> notriddle, you were right on the money with pulseaudio
[15:34] <froduntu> apparently my profile relied on it for the audio part of the theme
[15:34] <emma> can i sudo aptitude purge *gnome*
[15:34] <froduntu> thanks much
[15:35] <notriddle> emma: You could, though that may take away stuff you do use.
[15:35] <Dai> is there a solution for the problem : "can't write any email on hotmail with last firefox and last (k)ubuntu ?"
[15:35] <notriddle> Dai: Do you expect Microsoft to play fairly w/Linux ;).
[15:36]  * notriddle is being bitterly sarcastic.
[15:36] <Werenerd> OK guys, I want to download Super Maryo Chronicles and all dependencies from this computer and trnafer them to another computer without internet access. How do I do that?
[15:36] <emma> stdin: thank you for posting a link to this bug
[15:36] <Dai> notriddle: they will not turn their back to a whole community, they would lose too much clients
[15:36] <notriddle> Dai: More seriously, I don't know.
[15:36]  * notriddle doesn't use firefox, or hotmail.
[15:37] <emma> stdin: reading through the comments in this bug makes me think that the person named Alexander Sack is responsible for this and is a tremendously arrogant person.
[15:37] <emma> I will be speaking to that person as soon as I can.
[15:37] <Dai> notriddle: what do you use ?
[15:37] <Werenerd> Dai: unfortunately notriddle is correct. Hotmail is not supported under any email clients other than Live now I believe.
[15:37]  * notriddle uses Konqueror, KMail, and GMail.
[15:37] <stdin> emma: that's basically the feeling of the whole Kubuntu team
[15:37] <Werenerd> Dai: Turn on email forwarding in hotmail and forward it to a gmail account. That is what I do.
[15:38] <landonis> Hi all *waves* Could someone please advise me on a bug I have come across that seems to be caused by the xorg server using up all processor time when having any opengl program open and moving the mouse.. if left alone the system recovers temporarily so I can kill the process but it is effectively crippling the use of a lot of programs.. some similar bug reports say it has been fixed in later versions so is there a good rep
[15:38] <landonis> ository for upgrading xorg past 1.7.3?
[15:38] <Dai> Werenerd: on windows you can connect with firefox that makes no problem
[15:38] <Werenerd> Dai: wait, I just reread what you said. you can't get into the web based hotmail with firefox? I thought you were saying thunderbird for some reason
[15:38] <Werenerd> hold on, let me check my hotmail account.
[15:39] <Dai> Werenerd: i can access it ; but i can't write email, the textfield is greyed
[15:39] <Dai> (and i think we can use thunderbird for hotmail, with the webmail/hotmail plug-in=
[15:40] <froduntu> I can use hotmail
[15:40] <froduntu> with no problem in firefox
[15:40] <notriddle> Dai: Why do you need to use the web-based interface?
[15:40] <Werenerd> Dai: wow... they really changed this website in the past few years.
[15:40] <froduntu> do you have the Adobe-flash player installed?
[15:41] <Werenerd> dai: i see your problem. I am having it too.
[15:41] <Werenerd> Dai: do you have NoScript installed?
[15:42] <Dai> notriddle: because i can't use thunderbird (i don't know why)
[15:42] <notriddle> Dai: Thunderbird doesn't work. You are using Kubuntu, try Kontact.
[15:42] <Dai> ok i'll try
[15:42] <Werenerd> notriddle: I wouldn't use Kontact
[15:43] <ActionParsnip1> Dai: you could try renaming .mozilla-thunderbird then rerun it
[15:43] <Werenerd> damn thing doesn't get along with KNetworkmanager
[15:43] <notriddle> Werenerd: The advice was given to Dai, and Kontact work for me(tm) (using GMail).
[15:44] <Dai> Werenerd: Extensions : Dictionnaire Hunspell (français) ; Plugins  : several plugins but no Noscript
[15:44] <Dai> Werenerd: the problem is not coming from Firefox as i can't with Konqueror either
[15:45] <Werenerd> Dai: remember, you will need to forward that hotmail account to somewhere else and retreive it from that account. Hotmail needs precommands and they change frequently
[15:45] <Werenerd> Dai: you got the warning telling you to upgrade to a different browser right?
[15:46] <notriddle> Dai: http://fedoranews.org/mediawiki/index.php/How_to_check_Hotmail_with_KMail
[15:46] <Dai> Werenerd: yes, on both firefox and konqueror
[15:46]  * notriddle wonders if they've added a POP3 or IMAP interface since this guide. He hopes they did.
[15:46] <ActionParsnip1> Dai: im trying to masquerade my opera
[15:47] <Werenerd> Dai: try changing your browser identification to IE on XP in Konqueror.
[15:47] <Dai> Werenerd: how ?
[15:47] <Dai> ActionParsnip1: you're trying what ?
[15:47]  * notriddle just noticed that guide was Fedora-specific. Looking some more.
[15:47] <froduntu> for those that can't go into hotmail http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=963252
[15:47] <Dai> notriddle: kontact = kmail ?
[15:48] <ActionParsnip1> Dai: to make my opera appear as IE / firefox
[15:48] <ActionParsnip1> Dai: as stupid sites check browser
[15:49] <Dai> ActionParsnip1: ok, but if you make you opera appear as firefox, it won't help as it is not working with firefox either
[15:49] <notriddle> Dai: Yep. KMail is the mail part of Kontact.
[15:49] <Werenerd> Dai: my mistake, I thought Konqi did the browser identification like Opera. Stick with that. Kontact is the fullblown PIM and Kmail is just email. Kontact gives you a RSS, calendar, email, task, ... and so on
[15:49] <Werenerd> anyways, can some one help me with my question?
[15:49] <Werenerd> OK guys, I want to download Super Maryo Chronicles and all dependencies from this computer and trnafer them to another computer without internet access. How do I do that?
[15:50] <ActionParsnip1> Dai: hmmm, whats the site?
[15:51] <notriddle> Dai: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=519460 seems better.
[15:51] <thompa> hello, I would like to upgrade Amarok to beta and following instructions there is no package available?
[15:51] <Dai> ActionParsnip1: which site ?
[15:51] <DaSkreech> Dai: Kmail = Sub portion of kontact
[15:51] <Dai> notriddle: thanks
[15:51] <Dai> DaSkreech: yes thanks
[15:52] <ArkoldThos> anyone having problems using a cdrom reader on kubuntu (works great with dvds, but with audio cds nothing happens)
[15:52] <DaSkreech> Werenerd:
[15:52] <thompa> !amarok
[15:52] <ArkoldThos> aww
[15:52] <ArkoldThos> kde doesn't detect it, but i am able to use it from vlc...
[15:52] <Werenerd> DaSkreech: how you been man, been a while
[15:52] <DaSkreech> apt-get install the package and note the dependents then pull them out of /var/cache/apt/archives
[15:53] <DaSkreech> Werenerd: I'm good an very sleepy
[15:53] <Werenerd> DaSkreech: then just add the CD as a repository on the offline computer?
[15:53] <thompa> anyone upgraded to amarok beta?
[15:53] <ActionParsnip1> thompa: looks like you'll be compiling it
[15:53] <DaSkreech> ArkoldThos: if you open konqueor or dolphin and type audiocd:/ in the Location bar what do you get ?
[15:53] <DaSkreech> Werenerd:
[15:53] <notriddle> thompa: There's Project Neon.
[15:53] <DaSkreech> nope just aptget it
[15:53] <notriddle> !neon
[15:53] <thompa> ActionParsnip1: ok, is the package gone?
[15:54] <DaSkreech> The local cache is checked before anything
[15:54] <ArkoldThos> aw, was putting cdrom:/ mine mistake, lets see what itshows..
[15:54] <ActionParsnip1> thompa: gone? I think amarok are only giving the current frozen source
[15:54] <ArkoldThos> DaSkreech: nothing
[15:54] <ArkoldThos> NEON doesn't output sound for now!
[15:54] <DaSkreech> ArkoldThos: Boooo
[15:54] <ArkoldThos> so i don't recommend to use it :)
[15:54] <judgen> How do i increase the kde4 window snapping threashold, and how do i  make konqueror use doubleclick instead of singleclick?
[15:54] <Werenerd> DaSkreech: the local cache on the offline PC wouldn't have the CD in .... oh... you mean just copy the packages over!
[15:54] <ArkoldThos> boo
[15:54] <ArkoldThos> appeared :D
[15:55] <ArkoldThos> thanks DaSkreech
[15:55] <Werenerd> DaSkreech: I was making this way too hard
[15:55] <DaSkreech> Werenerd: Duh :)
[15:55] <ArkoldThos> was quite wierd that device notifier and dolphin doesn't told me to mount it
[15:55] <DaSkreech> ArkoldThos: See you just need to scae your computer every now and again :)
[15:55] <ArkoldThos> yea :/
[15:56] <DaSkreech> skare even
[15:56] <ArkoldThos> thanks =)
[15:58] <thompa> ActionParsnip1: added this repo deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu intrepid main
[15:58] <emma> Even with sudo aptitude -R install firefox (same as apt-get --no-install-recommends install firefox) you get the following errors when startinf firefox in terminal: (firefox:6241): Gtk-WARNING **: libbonoboui-2.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[15:58] <thompa> according to kubuntu web site. So I guess thats wrong
[15:59] <emma> thompa: that looks like an interesting repo what do you get from it?
[15:59] <thompa> kubuntu.com
[15:59] <thompa> main page
[15:59] <DaSkreech> NCommander: Moin
[16:00] <DaSkreech> thompa: 4.1.3 ?
[16:00] <Werenerd> DaSkreech: wow, the whole /var/cache/apt/archives folder is <500MB. I'll just copy it all on a CD
[16:00] <thompa> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/amarok-2-beta-3
[16:00] <ubuntu> hi there, I'm just trying to get grub back and am in the live cd... however nothing works... I enter correct hardisks and partitions for the boot partition yet it refuses to install
[16:00] <thompa> following main web site instructions
[16:00] <thompa> there is no file
[16:00] <judgen> Yay ive finally gotten kde4 to behave the way i want. http://judgen.googlepages.com/Screenshot-kde4.jpeg
[16:00] <DaSkreech> Werenerd: You can do an apt-get autoclean to get rid of useless packages
[16:01] <DaSkreech> It will remove duplicate packages when one has a higher version than the other
[16:01] <DaSkreech> !grub  | ubuntu
[16:01] <Werenerd> DaSkreech: you are just a fountain of knowledge. Thanks man, I appreciate the help
[16:01] <ubuntu> DaSkreech: that's where I am yet it does not work
[16:01] <DaSkreech> Werenerd: a Broken pipe at least
[16:02] <DaSkreech> ubuntu: Error?
[16:02] <Werenerd> lol, I like that better than a fountain
[16:02] <thompa> its here http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu/pool/main/a/amarok-kde4/
[16:03] <ubuntu> DaSkreech: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/72409/
[16:03] <thompa> but adding this deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu intrepid main does not work re the main web page
[16:03] <ActionParsnip1> thompa: then use wget <deb file>
[16:03] <DaSkreech> thompa: poke someone in #kubuntu-devel
[16:04] <ubuntu> DaSkreech: I even mounted /dev/sdd4 as /boot to see if stage1 is there... and it is
[16:04] <thompa> ActionParsnip1: I got it thanks
[16:04] <thompa> thought i was doing something wrong, i guess its the link
[16:05] <ActionParsnip1> thompa: id just wait til its official release, less problems
[16:05] <DaSkreech> in 4 years
[16:06] <thompa> ActionParsnip1: i would like to play files on my other box on home network
[16:06] <Dai> i've tried User Agent Switcher but now i can't even go to the page to write a new message
[16:06] <DaSkreech> ActionParsnip1: He's trying to use it so that you have less problems
[16:06] <Dai> i think i'll just write my mails on the 'mobile' version
[16:06] <ActionParsnip1> thompa: do you mean the same files, or control amarok remotely?
[16:06] <DaSkreech> thompa: CAn't amarok 1.4 do that now?
[16:06] <ubuntu> DaSkreech: you got any idea why this is not working?
[16:06] <thompa> ActionParsnip1: was using rythmbox and it wont do it
[16:06] <DaSkreech> ubuntu: No idea what you are doing.
[16:06] <DaSkreech> Oh wait
[16:07] <DaSkreech> pastebin :-D
[16:07] <ubuntu> DaSkreech: I gave you the pastebin
[16:07] <thompa> DaSkreech: im going to try it again
[16:07] <ActionParsnip1> thompa: if you want to control amarok remotely and have the sound come out of the amarok box's sound card you can instalL XUL remote
[16:07] <ubuntu> DaSkreech: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/72409/
[16:07] <ActionParsnip1> thompa: controlling it REQUIRES firefox based browsers
[16:07] <thompa> ActionParsnip1: thats interesting ill try that
[16:07] <ActionParsnip1> thompa: is that what you wanted to be able to do?
[16:08] <thompa> ActionParsnip1: can i add a netwrok directory through my wirless and play those tunes
[16:08] <ActionParsnip1> thompa: if you can ping the ip yuo can do it
[16:08] <thompa> ActionParsnip1: i got a bunch of mps on one box and i can open and play them on the laptop but not add the folder
[16:08] <ActionParsnip1> thompa: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=23630
[16:09] <ActionParsnip1> thompa: its a script you add to amarok
[16:09] <thompa> ActionParsnip1: that sounds good
[16:09] <ubuntu> DaSkreech: IMHO it looks alright... sdd2 --> (hd3,1)  everything else grub won't even accept
[16:09] <ActionParsnip1> thompa: oh if you wanna just access the same files, you could share the folder then mount it
[16:10] <thompa> ActionParsnip1: thats were I had some trouble
[16:10] <ubuntu> j #ubuntuforums
[16:10] <ActionParsnip1> thompa: then read some samba tutorials
[16:11] <DaSkreech> judgen: Nice
[16:11] <judgen> DaSkreech: thanks
[16:12] <DaSkreech> ubuntu: you mounted the drive and it's fine ?
[16:12] <ubuntu> DaSkreech: hmmm, I think I have solved the mystery...
[16:12] <DaSkreech> which is?
[16:13] <sourcemaker> I have a urgent problem with VPN... I am connected with a windows VPN server... but the application i am using is blocked (kernel martian source error...)
[16:13] <ubuntu> DaSkreech: in the live cd I just run: sudo apt-get install grub and it downloaded a few things...
[16:13] <thompa> ActionParsnip1: I think the remote is better, but I know rythmbox will not play samba configured folders so I am trying amarok, thanks again
[16:13] <DaSkreech> ubuntu: Oh dear
[16:14] <sourcemaker> KERNEL ERROR: martian source and ll header) !!
[16:14] <ubuntu> DaSkreech: now it run fine :)
[16:14] <ubuntu> rebooting now ;)
[16:14] <DaSkreech> which Cd is that?
[16:15] <ubuntu> DaSkreech: I think it's kubuntu 8.04 64bit...
[16:15] <toxic_> test
[16:15] <DaSkreech> alright
[16:15] <DaSkreech> judgen: What's the name of that theme?
[16:15] <ubuntu> DaSkreech: what's the name to find what kubuntu version you're running? something with lsb
[16:16] <DaSkreech> lsb_release -a
[16:16] <ubuntu> DaSkreech: kubuntu 8.04 hardy (probably beta version)
[16:16] <DaSkreech> right ok
[16:17] <ubuntu> I don't recall having been require to apt-get grub first with another desktop cd
[16:18] <DaSkreech> Me either
[16:18] <ubuntu> I'll reboot now... thx for helping
[16:22] <judgen> DaSkreech: Oxygen
[16:22] <DaSkreech> judgen: Thanks
[16:24] <piquadrat> Hi! I'd like not to use gtk-qt4, therefore I created a custom .gtkrc-2.0 file. But on every login, a file gtkrc-2.0-kde4 is created, which overrules my customized settings. GTK2-Apps only respect my settings after I delete that file. What program or service could be responsible for this reappearing .gtkrc-2.0-kde4 thingy?
[16:25] <judgen> DaSkreech: is there a way to see if fsaa works in kde4's compositing?
[16:25] <judgen> i think i cn see it but i dont know.
[16:26] <judgen> I dont know but i dont think compiz comes even close to the speed and responsiveness to kde4* compositing.
[16:27] <judgen> but resizing windows over here is behaving silly. Like it has ticks or ADHD
[16:27] <|DarkSmoke|> guys
[16:27] <|DarkSmoke|> if i get a source from apt of program
[16:27] <|DarkSmoke|> with sudo apt-get source x
[16:28] <|DarkSmoke|> will it compile in a deb package?
[16:28] <judgen> it should compile it to a deb package.. yes. As long as you have the build tools ofcourse.
[16:29] <|DarkSmoke|> judgen: how do you do it
[16:29] <|DarkSmoke|> i remember when i got the official kernel source once, there was some script in the debian/ folder
[16:29] <judgen> rofl google has been surpassed in web hits by both flickr and youtube. That cant be right.
[16:30] <aomegax4> Hi, I have kubuntu 8.04. I have a ext3 partition, so when I open Dolphin I see it but when I mount it I haven't permission to write
[16:31] <aomegax4> how can I do?
[16:31] <ActionParsnip1> aomegax4: what command are you mounting with?
[16:32] <aomegax4> nothing...by Dolphin it mounts itself
[16:32] <aomegax4> (kde 4)
[16:34] <ArkoldThos> aomegax4: probably you need to fsck
[16:34] <Ayabara> I run kubuntu 8.10 on a laptop with nvidia graphics, and I still think it's a little slow. do I have to tweak something to make it more responsive?
[16:34] <ActionParsnip1> Ayabara: are you fully updated?
[16:35] <Ayabara> ActionParsnip1: I believe so.
[16:35] <aomegax4> what can I do?
[16:35] <ActionParsnip1> Ayabara: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade
[16:35] <Ayabara> ActionParsnip1: I mean. I _am_ fully upgraded :-)
 what must I do?
[16:37] <ArkoldThos> check if your partition isn't damaged
[16:39] <ActionParsnip1> Ayabara: what card you got?
[16:39] <Ayabara> ActionParsnip1: 8600M GT
[16:39] <athlonkaempfer> cu
[16:40] <Ayabara> make[2]: *** No rule to make target `/build/buildd/kde4libs-4.1.2/obj-i486-linux-gnu/lib/libkdecore.so', needed by `lib/libkipi.so.5.0.0'.  Stop. <- anyone got an idea what's wrong/missing?
[16:41] <ActionParsnip1> Ayabara: may help http://forum.compiz-fusion.org/showthread.php?p=47495
[16:41] <axiom> Having an odd sound issue, startup and shutdown sounds work fine, but all other sounds do not work
[16:41] <axiom> If I run "sudo alsa force-reload" sound comes back, but it sounds awful
[16:42] <axiom> kmix seems to have no effect on any of this, is there something else I should be using?
[16:44] <Ayabara> ActionParsnip1: thanks, I'll try it out. What's weird is that for me Compiz-Fusion in Gnome is fast, but Kde is slow
[16:45] <ActionParsnip1> Ayabara: kwin you mean
[16:45] <ActionParsnip1> Ayabara: compiz runs with kde, kwin runs with kde
[16:45] <ActionParsnip1> Ayabara: kde is the desktop, kwin is the default window manager
[16:46] <Ayabara> ActionParsnip1: I know, I just express myself badly :)
[16:46] <ActionParsnip1> just an fyi :D
[16:46] <snarkster> is this the right channel for 4.1.2 discussion?
[16:46] <DaSkreech> snarkster: that would be #kde unless it's directly kubuntu related
[16:47] <snarkster> ok well im not sure so here goes.. Is there anyway to get around notifier and automount  a cd?
[16:50] <snarkster> hmm guess not
[16:51] <ActionParsnip1> snarkster: so you wanna disable automount?
[16:52] <snarkster> no i want automount to work..
[16:53] <snarkster> I dont want to have to click openwith dolphin everytime to get it to mount
[16:54] <maxi__> no runing google earth
[16:54] <snarkster> so i put in a cd.. device notifier tells me there is a new cd, but DOES not automount it
[16:54] <ActionParsnip1> snarkster: set media options maybe, is there no "remember my option"
[16:54] <snarkster> where to find media options?
[16:57] <snarkster> ActionParsnip1: where do i find media options? Ive been thru system settings and havent noticed anything with that wording
[16:58] <ActionParsnip1> no idea man, i dont use kwin
[16:58] <snarkster> but your in the kubuntu channel? haha thats cool
[16:59] <ActionParsnip1> but id imagine thats it, is there no option to remember the choice ?
[16:59] <snarkster> no
[16:59] <snarkster> not that ive seen
[17:00] <snarkster> ok well google searches dont show much either, guess this is the new way things are going to be.
[17:00] <snarkster> with that said Im off to D2
[17:00] <snarkster> later
[17:17] <DarkriftX> um..... i update everytime i see there are updates, but right now there are 906 updates
[17:17] <DarkriftX> that seems a little odd that every part of my system was updated while i slept :S
[17:17] <ActionParsnip1> DarkriftX: wow crazy
[17:17] <ThomasHC> hello
[17:17] <DarkriftX> i mean that there are updates to everything all in one day
[17:17] <ActionParsnip1> DarkriftX: what data size is it?
[17:18] <DarkriftX> 768mb dl. 213 isntalled
[17:18] <DarkriftX> xserver, xorg, x11...... going backwards its the whole system
[17:19] <DarkriftX> seems liek a distupgrade
[17:19] <ActionParsnip1> yikes, does a bit
[17:19] <navid> hey guys
[17:20] <ActionParsnip1> hi navid
[17:20] <navid> i'm a beginner
[17:20] <navid> i needed to know how can i instal firefox on my kde
[17:21] <navid> i have the tar.bz file
[17:21]  * DarkriftX took the plunge
[17:21] <DarkriftX> wait, everything is downloading from debian unstable :S
[17:21] <DarkriftX> taht doesnt look normal
[17:21] <navid> anybody can help me?
[17:22] <DarkriftX> navid, in a command prompt
[17:22] <navid> yeah
[17:22] <ActionParsnip1> navid: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install firefox-3.0
[17:23] <DarkriftX> sudo apt-get install firefox-3.0
[17:23] <ActionParsnip1> navid: you dont need to manually download stuff much
[17:23] <ThomasHC> ya navid Just use Adept
[17:23] <navid> ok is that all?
[17:23] <ThomasHC> Yep
[17:23] <ThomasHC> It's easy
[17:24] <ActionParsnip1> yep thats all
[17:24] <navid> ok thanks
[17:24] <ActionParsnip1> navid: almost all software you'll install is in repos
[17:24] <navid> i don't know how to thank you?
[17:24] <ThomasHC> And if it isn't, it's in another repo
[17:25] <DarkriftX> ack, installing emdebian for a project i had added debian unstable to my repos
[17:25] <ActionParsnip1> navid: just be cool
[17:26] <navid> if i had the gz file so what should i do?
[17:26] <DarkriftX> delete it
[17:26] <navid> why?
[17:27] <DarkriftX> ok.... you can frame it
[17:27] <DarkriftX> your first downloaded but useless gz file
[17:27] <ThomasHC> You don't need
[17:27] <ThomasHC> it at ALL
[17:27] <ActionParsnip1> navid: you can install from source by compiling it
[17:27] <navid> aha!
[17:27] <ActionParsnip1> navid: as a newb id stick to repos and learn the OS
[17:27] <ThomasHC> and besides
[17:27] <ThomasHC> even vets wont compile firefox
[17:27] <DarkriftX> source is overrated
[17:27] <ThomasHC> that takes FOREVER
[17:27] <ActionParsnip1> DarkriftX: its fun
[17:28] <navid> wow
[17:28] <DarkriftX> no its not lol
[17:28] <ThomasHC> not until you do firefox and the kernel
[17:28] <DarkriftX> i avoid compiling when i can
[17:28] <ActionParsnip1> DarkriftX: depends on your idea of fun
[17:28] <ThomasHC> lol
[17:28] <DarkriftX> im always having to compile stuff for my mobile devices
[17:28]  * ActionParsnip1 uses gentoo
[17:28] <DarkriftX> i have debian on a handheld i ahve to compile for
[17:29] <BluesKaj> hiyas
[17:29]  * ThomasHC used gentoo, but the speed from compiling is balanced by the time of compiling
[17:30] <navid> ok thank you again and im leaving
[17:30] <navid> bye
[17:30] <ActionParsnip1> ThomasHC: do it overnight, no time lost
[17:31] <emma> what is the default application in kubuntu that's sort of like totem, for opening online streams or mms:// ?
[17:32] <ActionParsnip1> emma: totem is default player but you can install mplayer or any other media player
[17:32] <emma> oh is totem not a gnome app?
[17:32] <ActionParsnip1> !totem
[17:32] <ActionParsnip1> !info totem
[17:33] <Rioting_pacifist> my screen goes crazy when i resume from a suspend to ram (both x and cli) (vbesave is set to 2345)
[17:33] <emma> can't install totem on kubuntu
[17:33] <ThomasHC> ActionParsnip1: What if I need an app really quick?
[17:33] <emma> !info kplayer
[17:33] <ActionParsnip1> ThomasHC: ive never been in that situation personally, ive no idea
[17:34] <ThomasHC> ya
[17:34] <ThomasHC> Gentoo has sort of fell apart though
[17:34] <ActionParsnip1> ThomasHC: i cant evn imagine a situation where a software install was time critical
[17:34] <Rioting_pacifist> emma: kaffine is the equivilent to totembut kmplayer is a good alternative that handels most streams
[17:34] <Rioting_pacifist> emma: you can also install totem anyway
[17:34] <ActionParsnip1> ThomasHC: how does it fall apart?
[17:34] <emma> Rioting_pacifist: very cool, thank you, and thank you ActionParsnip1 as well for looking into it.
[17:34] <ActionParsnip1> emma: np
[17:35] <emma> Rioting_pacifist: no i wouldn't want to install a GNOME app on my Kubuntu.
[17:35] <ThomasHC> ActionParsnip1: the dev team
[17:35] <emma> It's nothing personal. I used vanilla Ubuntu from the start, and did not like to put KDE apps on it either.
[17:36] <Rioting_pacifist> emma: with the gtk-qt engine installed gnome apps look ok.
[17:36] <ActionParsnip1> ThomasHC: ive not noticed, my updates still come down and its running pretty solidly
[17:36] <ThomasHC> ya
[17:36] <ActionParsnip1> ThomasHC: thats all i see
[17:36] <emma> Rioting_pacifist: yeah. But I don't want to get all the cruft and start all the Gnome Processes.
[17:36] <emma> Rioting_pacifist: so often if you instlal one Gnome app you get half of the Gnome desktop.
[17:37] <ActionParsnip1> emma: yeah i keep mine pure too
[17:44] <proteusguy> Using 8.10 trying to share folder from properties in KDE. Says I don't have file sharing installed but can't figure out which packages to install. Any ideas??
[17:51] <ubsafder> once i start with kde after a few seconds kde doet respond to mouse click  i think it is link to compiz starting
[17:51] <ubsafder> how can I trouble shoot that
[17:52] <ubsafder> i have gnome that works great
[17:53] <ActionParsnip1> ubsafder: switch back to kwin and see if its the same
[17:55] <ubsafder> what is it to kill X alt backspace ?
[17:56] <ptl> just filed two more bug reports :)
[17:56] <ActionParsnip1> ubsafder: its ctrl + alt + backspace
[18:01] <ptl> I wonder WHEN bug #1 from launchpad will be fixed. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1
[18:02] <ActionParsnip1> ptl: i dont see that as a bug,
[18:03] <a> hi, why does a file i download from the internet say i dont have permission to move it into a folder?
[18:03] <a> also, why does the folder that i want to move it into say i am "not the owner" lol?
[18:04] <dr_willis> which folder? what file/ who downloaded.. you could look and see who the 'owner' is of the file
[18:04] <a> it's the map folder of the game Tremulous
[18:04] <a> i am the owner of it i guess
[18:04] <dr_willis> '
[18:05] <ActionParsnip1> dr_willis: ls -l <file>
[18:05] <dr_willis> dont 'guess'  -  look and see.
[18:05] <a> dr_willis: it says "root" is the owner
[18:05] <dr_willis> and if you are trying to copy it to a system directory.. well those are owned by root
[18:05] <Machtin> hey guys.
[18:05] <dr_willis> !chown
[18:05] <dr_willis> Hmm..
[18:05] <a> for me?
[18:06] <dr_willis> sudo chown USERNAME.USERNAME  filetomakeownedbyouruser
[18:06] <a> oh i have gnome terminal
[18:06] <dr_willis> Where username is your username, :)
[18:06] <Machtin> when i want to use my 8gbyte-usb-stick it doesn't work. it shows in dolphin, but when i click it.. there's that red window at the bottom telling me the error
[18:06] <a> a
[18:06] <Machtin> what can i do about that?
[18:06] <dr_willis> Machtin,  try mounting it manually, what filesystem is the thing?
[18:07] <Machtin> ntfs, i guess
[18:07] <dr_willis> I would install/run the ntfs-config tool to enable  user support/read/writeing of external ntfs drives
[18:08] <Machtin> Failed to mount '/dev/sde1': Operation not supported
[18:08] <Machtin> Mount is denied because NTFS is marked to be in use. Choose one action:
[18:08] <a> dr_willis, it is a folder i think i need to change the ownership, could you tel me the format to enter?
[18:08] <Machtin> kk
[18:08] <Machtin> will try
[18:09] <dr_willis> sudo chown USERNAME.USERNAME  FOLDERtomakeownedbyouruser
[18:09] <dr_willis> a you do not want to 'chown' system directories.. what directory are you trying to copy things to exactly?
[18:09] <Machtin> hm, ntfs-config doesn't see the stick.
[18:09] <a> the map folder of the game Tremulous
[18:09] <a> it is called Base
[18:09] <dr_willis> a , and the full path top this directory is?
[18:09] <Machtin> how can i check which fs it is?
[18:09] <dr_willis> Machtin,  sudo fdisk -l
[18:10] <Machtin> hm, kay.
[18:10] <Machtin> /dev/sde1   *           1       48948     7831512    7  HPFS/NTFS
[18:10] <a> dr_willis /usr/share/games/tremulous/base (i think)
[18:10] <Machtin> ah :D
[18:11] <Machtin> dr_willis: i ran ntfsfix and now it works :) thank you
[18:11] <dr_willis> a and thats a SYSTEM directory.. you MUST use the proper 'root' permissions to access that directory
[18:11] <dr_willis> sudo cp whatever whever   , or similer commands.
[18:11] <dr_willis> or cheat and use some file manager as root.
[18:12] <a> the one you gave me worked, many thanks again dr_willis
[18:12] <dr_willis> what one?
[18:13] <a> sudo chown a.a /usr/share/games/tremulous/base
[18:13] <a> i wrote the file after that
[18:13] <dr_willis> thats exactly a BAD THING TO DO... as i mentioned
[18:13] <a> ?
[18:13] <dr_willis> you dont want to arbiatrly chown system directori to be owned by users.
[18:14] <a> its not going to run now?
[18:14] <dr_willis> No idea.. proberly will.. for that one user..
[18:14] <a> i am the only user really
[18:14] <a> any guests will be monitiored xD
[18:14] <dr_willis> you should learn why its not a good idea. and the proper way to copy those file4s to the directory
[18:14] <a> i could return it the same way no?
[18:15] <dr_willis> proberly wont matter.. but you shoule learn the proper way to do such tasks
[18:15] <a> i better go test it to make sure it works now
[18:21] <dr_willis> tremulous makes me so dizzy i puke
[18:23] <DaSkreech> dr_willis: prepuke then play
[18:24] <glade88> hello.. can anyone can tell me what their grub entry text is for kubuntu 8.10 ?
[18:24] <PriceChild> !fixgrub
[18:25] <glade88> PriceChild: no, I mean the text. does it say "ubuntu 8.10".. which it should not afaik
[18:26] <PriceChild> glade88: I don't see why there should be a difference..?
[18:26] <PriceChild> glade88: Kubuntu has separate grub setting up packages? :/
[18:26] <glade88> PriceChild: since its not ubuntu.. and xubuntu has Xubuntu 8.xx afaik
[18:27] <zir-rt> hi
[18:28] <zir-rt> I have some file with this � character, and I can not rename them, dolphin says the file doesn't exists, I have extracted them from a zip archive. How can I rename them?
[18:29] <jsunio> 2 ideas: try konquerer, or try command line
[18:30] <zir-rt> jsunio: thanks, I will try with konqueror :)
[18:31] <zir-rt> jsunio: now I works, with mv and using \ for spaces, with mv "file name" doesn't work :)
[18:32] <DaSkreech> glade88: Just edit it
[18:32] <DaSkreech> zir-rt: use tab complete to get the file name
[18:33] <PSiL0> !sudo
[18:33] <glade88> DaSkreech: I know I can do that. I am more concerned with the default configuration
[18:33] <PSiL0> !supergrub
[18:33] <glade88> DaSkreech: plus, what the Grub editor shows under systemsettings
[18:33] <DaSkreech> ptl: Keep supplying patches :)
[18:33] <zir-rt> DaSkreech: Yes, Im using tab now :)
[18:34] <glade88> DaSkreech: why does it show the ubuntu logo but not the kubuntu one in grub editor anyway :/
[18:35] <PSiL0> anyone with an ati card and fglrx installed noticed how sometimes the screen refreshes a little slowly?
[18:35] <radams> How do I set a static IP in KDE 4? I tried "New Connection" > "Manual IP" and entered the right settings, but I still get DHCP even after restart. The connection is set to autoconnect...
[18:35] <PSiL0> Also, how avi files under mplayer, vlc, (or whatnot) are more inferior in ubuntu than windows?
[18:36] <DaSkreech> glade88: You have ubuntu installed?
[18:36] <radams> PSiL0: inferior in what way?
[18:36] <glade88> DaSkreech: no
[18:36] <PSiL0> more pixelation
[18:36] <thomas__> hi
[18:36] <glade88> DaSkreech: and honestly, the ubuntu logo is a bit bothering among the blue-gray UI.. :)
[18:36] <PSiL0> scenes are a bit more choppy
[18:36] <DaSkreech> glade88: Dunno then what ever environment you are under when you install a kernel it gets that designation
[18:36] <DaSkreech> glade88: WHich ubuntu logo?
[18:37] <PSiL0> I think this may be down to the video refreshing slower in ubuntu than in windows...
[18:37] <thomas__> was ist
[18:37] <glade88> DaSkreech: the standard orange one
[18:37] <radams> PSiL0: I haven't seen that, though I'm not using ATI...
[18:37] <DaSkreech> Ah :)
[18:37] <Neremor> hello, i've a short question
[18:37] <PSiL0> I have the restricted package installed in kubuntu and cccp installed in windows
[18:37] <glade88> DaSkreech: do you have the kubuntu logo in the grub editor?
[18:37] <DaSkreech> No
[18:37] <Neremor> i want to make my own kdm theme
[18:37] <glade88> DaSkreech: ok
[18:37] <Neremor> can i find a tutorial somewhere?
[18:37] <DaSkreech> Neremor: #kde
[18:38] <Neremor> ok
[18:38] <Neremor> i just thought about that kdm isn't kde
[18:38] <DaSkreech> glade88: If you rename it to Kubuntu you get the Kubuntu Logo
[18:38] <PSiL0> Yeah, I noticed that intrepid ibex removed alot of the options available from the xorg config
[18:39] <DaSkreech> Neremor: technically it's not but it a close relative
[18:39] <DaSkreech> PSiL0: that would be the Xorg folks
[18:39] <thomas__> was machts nir
[18:40] <radams> !german | thomas__
[18:40] <Neremor> ok thanks :)
[18:41] <PSiL0> da: yeah, I thought so.. I just want to config my ati card, so that the video performance in kubuntu is equal to windows.... Right now it is at comparable
[18:43] <DaSkreech> PSiL0: and you just hit on the fun black art known as Xorg :)
[18:43] <DaSkreech> !ati
[18:45] <PSiL0> Daskreech: And the fun dealing with a closed source driver no less!
[18:45] <Koordin> hi i have a weird problem ; when i try to uninstall tcl/tk8.4, apt-get uninstalls also ocaml ; and when tcl/tk8.4 is installed, this bring forth conflicts with tcl/tk8.5 and amsn does not work. so how can i do to remove tcl/tk8.4 without removing ocaml ?
[18:45] <radams> How do I set a static IP in KDE 4? I tried "New Connection" > "Manual IP" and entered the right settings, but I still get DHCP even after restart. The connection is set to autoconnect...
[18:46] <auralfixaton> hello al
[18:46] <auralfixaton> err all
[18:46] <radams> !hello | auralfixaton
[18:46] <auralfixaton> thanks :)
[18:46] <auralfixaton> has anyone had problems with the latest kernel update?
[18:47] <radams> auralfixaton: what's your uname -r?
[18:47] <DaSkreech> radams: Read the release notes. Static IP using Knetworkmanager is broken for 8.10
[18:47] <auralfixaton> i had to go into the grub boot menu to select the older kernel to get my machine to boot
[18:47] <radams> DaSkreech: didn't catch that, thanks. I'll do it up oldschool then
[18:48] <DaSkreech> glade88: Sweet playing with the grub editor is fun
[18:48] <auralfixaton> lmao
[18:48] <Koordin> hi i have a weird problem ; when i try to uninstall tcl/tk8.4, apt-get uninstalls also ocaml ; and when tcl/tk8.4 is installed, this bring forth conflicts with tcl/tk8.5 and amsn does not work. so how can i do to remove tcl/tk8.4 without removing ocaml ?
[18:50] <DaSkreech> apt-get remove tcl/tk8.4 && apt-get install ocaml ?
[18:50] <auralfixaton> so i am the only one with an issue with the new kernel i take it?
[18:50] <Koordin> DaSkreech: this will reinstall tcl/tk8.4
[18:50] <DaSkreech> Ah umm
[18:50]  * DaSkreech hides
[18:51] <alan_> Can someone help me?
[18:51] <radams> !ask | alan_
[18:52] <radams> auralfixaton: as I asked before, what's the output of uname -r?
[18:52] <PSiL0> found some info right here: http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Intrepid_Installation_Guide
[18:52] <PSiL0> might go tweaking soon
[18:53] <auralfixaton> 2.6.24-19-generic
[18:54] <radams> auralfixaton: that's not the latest kernel for Intrepid. Are you on Hardy?
[18:55] <auralfixaton> yes iirc
[18:55] <auralfixaton> how do i tell?
[18:55] <radams> auralfixaton: cat /etc/issue
[18:56] <auralfixaton> Ubuntu 8.10 \n \l
[18:58] <radams> auralfixaton: you're on intrepid then, but the current provided version is 2.6.27-7-generic
[18:58] <radams> auralfixaton: sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude safe-upgrade
[18:58] <auralfixaton> my machine won't boot with that kernel tho radams
[18:59] <auralfixaton> i have to select the older one
[19:00] <radams> auralfixation: ls /boot/grub | grep -i 7-generic returns the kernel and associated files, correct?
[19:00] <radams> auralfixaton: there ought to be 6 of them.
[19:01] <auralfixaton> that command returns no results in the terminal
[19:02] <radams> auralfixaton: can you put your ls /boot into pastebin? something is wrong here
[19:02] <auralfixaton> abi-2.6.24-19-generic             initrd.img-2.6.27-7-generic
[19:02] <auralfixaton> abi-2.6.27-7-generic              memtest86+.bin
[19:02] <auralfixaton> config-2.6.24-19-generic          System.map-2.6.24-19-generic
[19:03] <auralfixaton> config-2.6.27-7-generic           System.map-2.6.27-7-generic
[19:03] <auralfixaton> grub                              vmcoreinfo-2.6.27-7-generic
[19:03] <auralfixaton> initrd.img-2.6.24-19-generic      vmlinuz-2.6.24-19-generic
[19:03] <auralfixaton> initrd.img-2.6.24-19-generic.bak  vmlinuz-2.6.27-7-generic
[19:03] <auralfixaton> oops that was big sorry all :(
[19:03] <jonatas> oi pessoal alguem fala portugues
[19:03] <jonatas> ??
[19:04] <radams> !pastebin > auralfixaton
[19:04] <radams> for next time :)
[19:05] <KR-data> does DWL-G122 work out of the box on Kubuntu?
[19:06] <DaSkreech> !pt
[19:06] <radams> auralfixaton: ok, you do have the kernel there. now, we want to take a look at dmesg to see what happened last time you booted into that kernel. Can you post /var/log/dmesg.0 to pastebin?
[19:07] <auralfixaton> radams http://paste.ubuntu.com/72488/
[19:07] <ptl> DaSkreech: can't supply patches, I barely get time for my master degree and my job. I even had to dump my girlfriend to get time.
[19:08] <KR-data> how do I find a wireless card for kubuntu?
[19:08] <radams> auralfixaton: please see my last message. I need the output of /var/log/dmesg.0 (in pastebin)
[19:09] <ptl> KR-data: you mean, a wireless card that works?
[19:09] <KR-data> ptl, basically, yes
[19:09] <radams> !hardwarelist | KR-data
[19:09] <radams> KR-data: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport
[19:09] <LjL> !hardware
[19:10] <radams> There it is
[19:10] <ptl> KR-data: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards
[19:10] <KR-data> thanks :)
[19:10] <auralfixaton> herego radams and thank you http://paste.ubuntu.com/72490/
[19:12] <ThomasHC> hello
[19:13] <auralfixaton> man i wish winblows had this level of hardware debugging
[19:13] <auralfixaton> makes you realise just how out of date even vista is compared to linux
[19:15] <radams> auralfixaton: hm, nothing here to show what the fatal was. what happens specifically when you start into the new kernel?
[19:15] <DaSkreech> ptl: using Linux is considered a patch :)
[19:15] <auralfixaton> let me look about a bit radams
[19:15] <DaSkreech> auralfixaton: Nope. It's just a distro with a different focus
[19:16] <DaSkreech> Keep people ignorant :)
[19:17] <radams> more like drive people insane... "the process 'asgjhkr.exe' could not be closed, because an error of type 0x00024515 ocurred"
[19:17] <ThomasHC> If your gonna do that just say Application X has crashed
[19:17] <ThomasHC> lol
[19:17] <DaSkreech> I should write those down and e-mail them to Microsoft to find out if anyone knows what they mean
[19:18] <radams> DaSkreech: surprisingly enough, they do. I have to support windows boxes daily, and have made many a call to MS Support. Which, if you're prepared to pay the mint it costs, is actually pretty stellar.
[19:18] <auralfixaton> i have heard that as well
[19:19] <DaSkreech> radams: Ever gave them one number slightly off to see if it would throw them?
[19:19] <DaSkreech> 0x0002545umm9
[19:19] <DaSkreech> A what?
[19:19] <auralfixaton> well i am gonna reboot into the non bootable kernel
[19:19] <auralfixaton> and paste the dmesg
[19:19] <DaSkreech> Your RSS feeder is having problems formatting a floppy?
[19:19] <DaSkreech> Are you sure?
[19:20] <auralfixaton> back in a sec
[19:20] <DaSkreech> Look I'm paying you. You fix it
[19:20] <ptl> DaSkreech: well, that's nice then, because I use linux all the time in my job and in my college. I don't give any chance for Windows to get into my nose.
[19:20] <DaSkreech> ptl: Bug reports and evangalising also count as patches :)
[19:20] <ptl> I can't say how much I really really really really really really really really hate Microsoft and Windows.
[19:20] <ptl> DaSkreech: another hit then! :)
[19:21] <radams> DaSkreech: If it wasn't for the fact that they charge sometimes as much as $99 an hour, I would do all kinds of silly things.
[19:21] <DaSkreech> ptl: Patch away my friend :)
[19:22] <ptl> I am watching the atheist experience below this yakuake transparent window. lol
[19:22] <DaSkreech> radams: Are you serious? Per hour?
[19:22] <DaSkreech> radams: Can't you just get support for the lifetime of a product?
[19:22] <radams> DaSkreech: sometimes, depending on what customer and product they are supporting, yes
[19:22] <radams> DaSkreech: you wish
[19:22] <ptl> US$ 99 per hour is how much a hooker costs
[19:22] <radams> DaSkreech: all ms phone support is per hour or paid per year
[19:22] <ptl> well, similar products I guess
[19:23] <radams> ptl: depends on your part of town
[19:23] <yuriy> does this mean we can have kubuntu mobile edition for nokias? http://idlethread.blogspot.com/2008/11/ubuntu-on-arm_14.html
[19:24] <DaSkreech> I suppose
[19:24] <ptl> yuriy: I don't think it'd be so easy. Porting for arm is the easy part, the hard part is getting all devices working, the GSM stack, wifi, accelerometer and so on
[19:25] <DaSkreech> yuriy: In short yes in long not likely
[19:25] <radams> It's a start, though
[19:25] <killer_> new install : Intrepid Ibex.. cannot change wallpaper
[19:26] <radams> killer_: what happens when you try?
[19:26] <killer_> radams: I click "New Wallpaper" button and I get a big list
[19:26] <killer_> radams: but only a "close" button
[19:26] <killer_> radams: all images are showing with "Install" button next to them
[19:26] <DaSkreech> killer_: Ha ha As in Get new Wallpapers?
[19:27] <kubuntu__> I am trying to install XP after a kubuntu 8.10 install
[19:27] <DaSkreech> killer_: Those are pulling in new Wallpapers from the internet as they appear
[19:27] <kubuntu__> to change the partition i insert the live cd and it doesn't have a partition program
[19:27] <DaSkreech> killer_: What you want is to close that and then in the middle of the dialog box is a drop down list
[19:27] <killer_> radams: DaSkreech:  "Picture" drop list from the main screen only shows one image.. the current one
[19:27] <DaSkreech> killer_: that's where you change the wallpaper
[19:27] <kubuntu__> should i download ubuntu 8.04
[19:28] <DaSkreech> killer_: You can install any that you like fro mthat dialog though
[19:28] <killer_> DaSkreech: I started there :)
[19:28] <DaSkreech> kubuntu__: Apt-get install gparted
[19:28] <radams> kubuntu__: qtparted if kubuntu live cd
[19:28] <radams> and gparted is on the 8.10 gnome cd, under system --> administration --> partition editor
[19:29] <kubuntu__> DaSkreech: can you do this during a live cd session?
[19:29] <radams> kubuntu__: yes.
[19:29] <kubuntu__> I mean can you apt-get during a live cd session
[19:29] <DaSkreech> kubuntu__: Yes
[19:29] <killer_> DaSkreech: on the install list.. I click the install and it just changes to uninstall
[19:29] <DaSkreech> Linux is awesomer than you think
[19:29] <radams> furthermore, anything you apt-get will be installed when you install ubuntu/kubuntu, if you don't restart in between
[19:29] <kubuntu__> Thanks guys where does it get install to when you are running live session? that hard drive?
[19:29] <DaSkreech> killer_: That's good it's installed now
[19:30] <killer_> DaSkreech: aaah.. it's a "one-click" install
[19:30] <radams> kubuntu__ the fake drive it made out of ram
[19:30] <DaSkreech> killer_: If you close out and go to the drop down list (not the new wallpaper button) then you can choose it
[19:30] <kubuntu__> radams: thanks it seems gparted will not let me partition when I boot into my actual kubuntu, is that normal?
[19:31] <DaSkreech> killer_: Found the wallpaper in the list?
[19:31] <DaSkreech> kubuntu__: yes if you are trying to resize the partition it's on
[19:32] <kubuntu__> Seems strange that it cannot resize then b/c partition magic can resize in windows
[19:32] <killer_> DaSkreech: yes thanks.. all that I installed are now in the list
[19:32] <radams> kubuntu__: partitioning or changing an active system drive is a recipe for disaster
[19:32] <DaSkreech> killer_: Sweet eh?
[19:32] <kubuntu__> DaSkreech and radams: thanks for the quick help, I love the ubuntu community
[19:32] <un> kubuntu__: no partitioning program can resize the partition it's running from...
[19:32] <DaSkreech> kubuntu__: We love you :)
[19:32] <ThomasHC> un: actually yes
[19:33] <radams> kubuntu__: gparted can resize active system parts as well, but by default it won't let you
[19:33] <un> ThomasHC: yea that new fs, brfs is it?
[19:33] <radams> np kubuntu__
[19:33] <ThomasHC> nope
[19:33] <un> ThomasHC: oh?
[19:33] <ThomasHC> VIsta's partition tool can, and I think gparted can somehow
[19:33] <DaSkreech> un: lots of programs can do it. They just won't by default
[19:33] <DaSkreech> Cause you'll do stupid stuff like delete the partiion the program is runing from
[19:34] <ThomasHC> ya
[19:34] <kubuntu__> do you all like the "widget" idea for the new kde.  I am not a fan yet?
[19:34] <radams> or, it can fail, then the system fails
[19:34] <un> hmm... learn something everyday...
[19:34] <ThomasHC> and then go trolling on forums wondering why all your files are gone :p
[19:34] <ThomasHC> and your computer won;t boot lol
[19:34] <kubuntu__> I am going to reboot into my 8.10 live kubuntu cd and apt the gparted and then try a resize
[19:34] <radams> ThomasHC: there should be a "this user ran a system utility with override flags" tag on the forums
[19:34] <DaSkreech> kubuntu__: It needs some time to get legs but I think with TIME it will have very cool applications
[19:35]  * DaSkreech makesa clock joke
[19:35] <ThomasHC> radams: Now that's a mouth full
[19:35] <ThomasHC> lol
[19:35] <radams> DaSkreech: the problem is, there's only about 5 or 6000 clock widgets, and I never know what time it is :(
[19:35] <ThomasHC> lol
[19:35] <kubuntu__> lol
[19:35] <DaSkreech> lol
[19:36]  * DaSkreech still wants a grandather clock plasmoid that bongs on the hour
[19:36] <un> the new webkit browser plasmoid is sweet... they haven't got rotation down with it yet i don't think...
[19:36] <ThomasHC> un: webkit browser plasmoid?
[19:36] <radams> ok back to work. if auralfixation comes back around and still can't boot, tell him to try disconnecting his cd-rom drive
[19:36] <un> DaSkreech: that's a sweet idea, couldn't be that hard eh?
[19:36] <un> ThomasHC: yea, you haven't seen it?
[19:36] <ThomasHC> nope
[19:37] <ThomasHC> link me
[19:37]  * ThomasHC not usually a KDE user
[19:37] <un> ummm... youtube it, i'm on a console only machine right now..
[19:37] <DaSkreech> un: it isn't it's a few lines of js and a audio file
[19:37] <ThomasHC> lol un
[19:37] <killer_> DaSkreech: most of my panel settings are missing.. how do I get it to fit full screen side-2-side? I can center it.. and it has a 2 inch gap on both sides.. 22" LCD
[19:37] <DaSkreech> un: use w3m
[19:37] <ThomasHC> o wait nvm
[19:38] <radams> un: stop being a wuss, you know damn well you could just use lynx --source and grep pipes to get him the URL! :P
[19:38] <ThomasHC> I thought you meant a browser widget lol
[19:38] <DaSkreech> ThomasHC: He did
[19:38] <ThomasHC> n00b moment
[19:38] <ThomasHC> someone link me..lol
[19:38] <DaSkreech> It's a full browser in a little itty bitty widget
[19:38] <ThomasHC> nice!
[19:38] <un> radams: i know, but im compiling kde svn, and im kind of lagging... plus i can't see which youtube video i want from elinks or anything...
[19:39] <DaSkreech> http://introducingkde4.blogspot.com/2008/11/plasma.html
[19:39] <DaSkreech> hi tackat_
[19:39] <ThomasHC> ty
[19:42] <tackat_> ho DaSkreech
[19:42] <DaSkreech> tackat_: How goes?
[19:43] <DaSkreech> tackat_: Can I query plans for marble or are you busy?
[19:43] <DaSkreech> hi jono
[19:43] <oscar> I just purchased a new motherboard and case. i installled everything, formatted windows xp and installed ubuntu. Ubuntu is not detecting one of my hard drives but bios detects it. any suggestions
[19:44] <DaSkreech> oscar: doesn't come up in /dev ?
[19:45] <oscar_> sorry i exited
[19:45] <oscar_> power surge
[19:46] <White_Pelican> it happens
[19:46] <DaSkreech> oscar: doesn't come up in /dev ?
[19:46] <abdessamad> hi all
[19:47] <abdessamad> i'm new in linux kubuntu
[19:47] <kallagen> hi
[19:47] <kallagen> hiall
[19:47] <ThomasHC> hello abdessamad, glad to hear!
[19:47] <abdessamad> how can i install gnome ?
[19:47] <un> abdessamad: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[19:47] <abdessamad> thanks
[19:47] <un> abdessamad: log out > click sessions > pick gnome > log in
[19:48] <DaSkreech> oscar_: can you pastebin the output of ls /dev/sd* ?
[19:48] <DaSkreech> !paste | oscar_
[19:48] <abdessamad> thanks i'll try it
[19:48] <DaSkreech> oscar_: /dev is the directory that holds all of your hardware. If the linux kernel can see it then it's a file in /dev
[19:48] <oscar_> i ran the command in the terminal and got permission denied
[19:48] <oscar_> i ran /dev/sd*
[19:49] <DaSkreech> Your drives are all /dev/sd<something>
[19:49] <DaSkreech> oscar_: no "ls /dev/sd*"
[19:50] <oscar_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/72503/
[19:50] <Ash-Fox> How do I reset the menus and file associations to default in Kubuntu intrepid. I've done numerous upgrades, moved from various distributions to another while keeping my home directory. Unfortuantely now it's become quite messy with lots of dead applications in menus, associatinos that don't work etc. I don't want to delete my KDE profile because there is a lot of things in KDE I wish to keep, from kopete, kmail settings and mail t
[19:52] <ThomasHC> can someone link me to the mini web browser plasmoid? I can't find it
[19:52] <DaSkreech> abdessamad: install ubuntu-desktop
[19:52] <DaSkreech> ThomasHC: it's in KDE 4.2
[19:53] <DaSkreech> oscar_: ok type in mount and paste bin that
[19:53] <un> ThomasHC: i have a myspace link for ya... myspace.com/hallowname check the blog for a youtube vid, it shows the webplasmoid...
[19:53] <ThomasHC> I've got KDE 4.1.3
[19:53] <un> ThomasHC: it won't run in 4.1.3
[19:53] <ThomasHC> i want to downlaod it htough
[19:53] <ThomasHC> ugh
[19:53] <ThomasHC> how do I get 4.2 on Kubuntu?
[19:53] <un> ThomasHC: try kde-nightly
[19:53] <DaSkreech> ThomasHC: Neon
[19:53] <un> ThomasHC: it's buggy, but cool
[19:53] <DaSkreech> ThomasHC: You can grab a Suse live CD and try it
[19:54] <ThomasHC> I think I'll wait lol
[19:54] <oscar_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/72505/
[19:54] <ThomasHC> just getting used to KDE
[19:54] <un> ThomasHC: easier to google 'intrepid neon' and add the repo...
[19:54] <DaSkreech> When 4.2 comes out in Jan you can install it on Kubuntu
[19:54] <ThomasHC> ya
[19:54] <ThomasHC> so, what are the major bugs?
[19:54] <DaSkreech> oscar_: Ok and when you open Dolphin you don't see it on the side bar?
[19:55] <DaSkreech> bug 1 | ThomasHC This one first
[19:55] <DaSkreech> bug #1 | ThomasHC This one first
[19:55] <DaSkreech> Stupid bot
[19:55] <un> ThomasHC: nothin too bad... panel seems to forget it's placement... umm... web plasmoid doesn't rotate correctly...
[19:55] <ThomasHC> lol
[19:55] <ThomasHC> I'll wait until December I guess when it's more stable
[19:55] <DaSkreech> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1
[19:56] <Ayabara> on hardy I used /usr/lib/kde4/lib as LD_LIBRARY_PATH. should I just use /usr/lib now?
[19:56] <un> ThomasHC: good idea... i'll wait, about five more minutes for svn ;)
[19:56] <DaSkreech> ThomasHC: My friend has it running as his work machine ... at work!!
[19:56] <oscar_> whats dolphin?
[19:56] <ThomasHC> lol
[19:56] <DaSkreech> oscar_: press alt+F2 then type dolphin
[19:56] <un> oscar_: file manager (view, browse, delete files)
[19:56] <ThomasHC> oscar_: file manager, think explorer on WIndows, finder on OS X
[19:56] <DaSkreech> !dolphin
[19:56] <DaSkreech> Hrrrm
[19:57] <oscar_> i dont see it
[19:58] <un> Ayabara: why do you have to manually set LD_LIBRARY_PATH?
[19:59] <Ayabara> un: building digikam from source, but ... I'm followin a procedure from my hardy days. now I probably don't have to anymore...
[19:59]  * Ayabara tries again
[20:00] <DaSkreech> oscar_: Ok where would you like the drive to go?
[20:01] <un> Ayabara: yea kde4 moved to /usr/lib in intrepid
[20:02] <Ayabara> un: ok. thanks
[20:02]  * un passes a kidney stone... ugh
[20:04] <DaSkreech> oscar_: What's on the drives ?
[20:05] <billenium> Right now i have ubuntu (gnome) and im pretty upset with it :P how do i install kubuntu when i have ubuntu?
[20:05]  * un is off to help hoard the onslaught on #ubuntu newbs
[20:06] <un> billenium: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[20:06] <oscar_> i think i got it
[20:06] <billenium> thanks!!
[20:06] <Ayabara> make[2]: *** No rule to make target `/build/buildd/kde4libs-4.1.2/obj-i486-linux-gnu/lib/libkdecore.so', needed by `lib/libkipi.so.5.0.0'.
[20:06] <oscar_> i forgot that the drive was not partitioned :p
[20:06] <oscar_> im a idiot sometimes
[20:06] <Ayabara> anyone got an idea what that could be?
[20:06] <DaSkreech> oscar_: That might help a lot :)
[20:06] <un> Ayabara: your makefile has a issue with libkipi's rule...
[20:06] <oscar_> haha
[20:06] <DaSkreech> oscar_: install gparted and cut it up
[20:06] <oscar_> doing that now
[20:07] <oscar_> do i need to restart to see it in explorer?
[20:07] <DaSkreech> What?
[20:07] <DaSkreech> oscar_: Which explorer?
[20:07] <oscar_> dolphin
[20:07] <DaSkreech> oscar_: No as soon as you partition and format it will pop up automatically
[20:08] <DaSkreech> Sweetness :)
[20:08] <oscar_> hmm i dont see it
[20:09] <DaSkreech> oscar_: Did you format it?
[20:09] <oscar_> yeah
[20:09] <DaSkreech> oscar_: ok pastebin ls /dev/sd* again
[20:10] <DaSkreech> oscar_: Though honestly all the ones that you had before were partitioned
[20:10] <DaSkreech> Don't know if they were formatted but they were partitioned
[20:14] <oscar_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/72516/http://paste.ubuntu.com/72516/http://paste.ubuntu.com/72516/http://paste.ubuntu.com/72516/http://paste.ubuntu.com/72516/http://paste.ubuntu.com/72516/http://paste.ubuntu.com/72516/
[20:14] <oscar_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/72516/
[20:17] <DaSkreech> Woooooah
[20:17] <ThomasHC> what?
[20:17] <DaSkreech> The paste mania
[20:18] <ThomasHC> lol
[20:18] <oscar_> my bad
[20:18] <DaSkreech> oscar_: do you know what you formatted it as?
[20:19] <chairman> this is ubuntu 8.10 support too right?
[20:19] <DaSkreech> Yes
[20:19] <DaSkreech> For some Ubuntu questions
[20:22] <DaSkreech> oscar_: sudo fdisk -l and pastebin it
[20:25] <kallagen> ололо
[20:25] <oscar_> i tryed ext3 and fat32
[20:25] <kallagen> тут по русски говорят?
[20:25] <kallagen> сом пипл спик ин рашан ин зис ченэл?
[20:26] <brainsail> I can't find the klaptopdaemon entry in control center
[20:28] <ptl> I am recording via pulseaudio the "all your base are belong to us" song to use as a ringtone
[20:29] <ptl> recording from youtube
[20:29] <DaSkreech> !ru
[20:29] <ptl> this pulseaudio stuff rocks
[20:29] <DaSkreech> damn it
[20:29] <ptl> ?
[20:29] <DaSkreech> oscar_: Ok lets do a quick test
[20:29] <oscar_> ok
[20:29] <DaSkreech> oscar_: Oh which drive is it?
[20:29] <ptl> !ch
[20:29] <ptl> !cn
[20:30] <PSiL0> !fr
[20:31] <oscar_> 250gb
[20:31] <oscar_> sda1
[20:31] <chairman> What's up DaSkreech? i had to put off kubuntu 8.10 for ubuntu cuz it looks slick
[20:32] <ThomasHC> hahah chairman
[20:32] <DaSkreech> oscar_: ok them paste this in the konsole "mkdir dadrive && sudo mount /dev/sda1 dadrive"
[20:32] <DaSkreech> chairman: Yeah Ubuntu really makes Gnome look good
[20:34] <oscar_> it detects it
[20:34] <oscar_> thanks daskreecj
[20:34] <oscar_> daskreech
[20:34] <DaSkreech> oscar_: You may want to read up on fstab once you know where you want it to go
[20:34] <DaSkreech> !fstab | oscar_
[20:35] <oscar_> alright
[20:35] <oscar_> i have one more question
[20:36] <DaSkreech> !ask
[20:36] <oscar_> is there a way to switch from kde to gnome and vice versa while keeping your settings?
[20:36] <LjL> !gnome | oscar_
[20:37] <oscar_> is there a way to install kde from gnome?
[20:37] <noah> I'm getting a "command not found" error when trying to enable zerconf server discovery, and I can't seem to get Kubuntu to connect manually for the life of it.  Might anyone know how to solve this?
[20:38] <noah> *zeroconf
[20:38] <tdi_k> oscar_: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[20:40] <chairman> hey guys i got firestarter but how do i enable it. i'm @ the library using wi fi but when i'm home i plug it up via ethernet cable
[20:40] <majnoon> how force disk check on next boot ??
[20:42] <dr_willis> i think you can do a 'sudo touch /fsck' or some otehr file name i forget... to do that.. but  i cant rember the exact name
[20:42] <dr_willis>  touch /forcefsck
[20:42] <dr_willis> google is our friend. :)
[20:47] <blendroid> is there an exhaustive tutorial on connecting to a network in Kubuntu?  I've been trying for the past two days to hook up to my network (on a different computer, of course) under Kubuntu, and it just won't let me in.  I've tried enabling "zeroconf service discovery," but I get a "command not found" error.
[20:48] <coreymon77> blendroid: wifi?
[20:49] <blendroid> yeah, I've an actiontec router with Verizon fios, and a Linksys wireless adapter (which seems to work fine)
[20:49] <DaSkreech> oscar_: Yes easy
[20:49] <coreymon77> blendroid: what card?
[20:49] <blendroid> card?
[20:49] <coreymon77> blendroid: the router is irrelevant, what matters is the wifi card in your computer
[20:49] <DaSkreech> oscar_: Before you login press alt+t
[20:49] <coreymon77> blendroid: do you know the exact model?
[20:50] <oscar_> what
[20:50] <blendroid> umm, I don't think I have one.  I have a usb wireless adapter
[20:50] <DaSkreech> LjL: Lol good call on the rewording :)
[20:50] <blendroid> lemme get the details on it
[20:51] <blendroid> it's a Linksys WUSB54G ver.4
[20:52] <markit> hi, I've upgraded from hardy kde4 to ibex. I had problems because kdm package was not installed in the dist-upgrade process. But now after login screen, the screen becomes full of strange characters (in text mode) and can do nothing more
[20:52] <markit> any clue?
[20:52] <coreymon77> blendroid: and it works fine?
[20:53] <SilentDis> markit: try a ctrl-alt-F1 after the system is booted, can you get to a prompt at least?
[20:53] <Princess> bonjour
[20:54] <coreymon77> blendroid: okay then, open up a terminal window and type iwconfig
[20:54] <coreymon77> blendroid: pastebin the output
[20:54] <markit> SilentDis: no, I have to connect with ssh
[20:54] <Princess> j'ai un super mega gros probleme, avec mes fenetres et ca devient super dur
[20:54] <blendroid> yeah, the network shows up and everything, but when it's nearly connected to the network (or it seems so, according to the progress bar), it just stops an says I can't connectconnecting
[20:54] <markit> daemon.log has some interesting lines, like:  kdm_greet[5554]: Cannot open default user face
[20:54] <coreymon77> !fr | Princess
[20:54] <SilentDis> markit: well, if you can get in via ssh, try a `sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop`
[20:54] <coreymon77> blendroid: thats because knetworkmanager is a piece of poop
[20:55] <coreymon77> blendroid: so unless you use wpa encryption, dont use it
[20:55] <blendroid> yeah, I kinda noticed :P
[20:55] <markit> SilentDis: urgh, was missing!!!
[20:55] <blendroid> I have WEP
[20:55] <coreymon77> blendroid: good
[20:55] <coreymon77> close down knetwork manager
[20:55] <blendroid> ok
[20:55] <ArkoldThos> any app to read guitar pro tabs?
[20:55] <markit> SilentDis: I've to say that the automatic upgrade is a real pain/failure/orror story
[20:55] <SilentDis> markit: yes, but if the machine is online, it should be able to pull that package and get it setup for ya.  then, you should be able to reboot and get the standard prompt to login from kdm
[20:55] <DaSkreech> oscar_: to switch between KDE and GNOME when you are logging in press alt+T it will give you the choice
[20:56] <SilentDis> markit: I had a little problem with kdm myself at first, did have to do a dpkg-reconfigure on it as well >.<
[20:56] <markit> SilentDis: yes, thanks, I'm alreading getting those packages. I belive it will work a little better now ;)
[20:56] <blendroid> coreymon77: closed it down
[20:56] <DaSkreech> ArkoldThos: Check http://kde-apps.org
[20:57] <SilentDis> markit: I should have prefaced, that is for the kubuntu flavor, if you wanted gnome, it should be ubuntu-desktop you're looking for, but i figured since you're in #kubuntu and all... lol
[20:57] <coreymon77> blendroid: good, open up system settings
[20:57] <blendroid> k
[20:57] <coreymon77> blendroid: network settings
[20:57] <coreymon77> blendroid: scroll down to admin mode and enter your pass
[20:58] <Princess> il me répond commande introuvable
[20:58] <blendroid> ok
[20:58] <coreymon77> Princess: english only
[20:58] <DaSkreech> Princess: #ubuntu-fr
[20:58] <markit> SilentDis: oh, isn't Knome desktop? ;P
[20:58] <SilentDis> markit: lawlsauce :D
[20:59] <coreymon77> blendroid: do you see any interfaces listed?
[20:59] <blendroid> coreymon77: eth0 and wlan0
[20:59] <coreymon77> blendroid: okay, you want wlan0
[20:59] <blendroid> right
[21:00] <markit> SilentDis: argh, same problem :(
[21:00] <coreymon77> blendroid: click on it, configure
[21:00] <blendroid> coreymon77: got it
[21:00] <SilentDis> markit: hmm.  can't get to a term at all on that machine?
[21:01] <DaSkreech> oscar_: after you install gnome of course
[21:02] <chairman> i can't play a vid on YouTube. how do i get the flash player?
[21:02] <SilentDis> !flash | chairman
[21:03] <markit> SilentDis: only ssh on it, but I'm looking at another (working) ibex pc, and has no kde-desktop. I seem to recall that kde4 has a new name for desktop packages
[21:03] <coreymon77> blendroid: put in all the stuff you need to put in
[21:03] <blendroid> coreymon77: ok
[21:03] <coreymon77> blendroid: check the activate on startup box aswell
[21:04] <blendroid> coreymon77: and I'm guessing the "automatic" choice isn't gonna help? (even though my network supports it) :P
[21:04] <coreymon77> blendroid: and you should most likely also have it on hexadecimal for the key
[21:04] <coreymon77> blendroid: and yes it actually should
[21:04] <coreymon77> blendroid: thats for ip
[21:04] <SilentDis> markit: it is kubuntu-desktop, just verified on my machine.  try this:  `sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm` `sudo killall kdm`
[21:05] <blendroid> coreymon77: oh, wow
[21:05] <blendroid> coreymon77: entering stuff now...
[21:05] <SilentDis> markit: you then should be able to pass a `sudo kdm start` to it from the ssh instance even, and the box should come to life
[21:05] <markit> SilentDis: sorry, yes, kubuntu-desktop. Is a metapackage, removing it does no harm
[21:05] <coreymon77> blendroid: dhcp should work fine, unless you want a static for a particular reason
[21:06] <markit> SilentDis: kdm starts good, it gives me the login screen. I can enter name + password. Is THEN that "crashes" that strange way
[21:06] <SilentDis> markit: yep, kubuntu-desktop is the metapackage to get everything assoicated with a 'normal working' kubuntu install
[21:06] <viniciuspt> hello for all !
[21:06] <blendroid> coreymon77: yeah, I usually configure static ips for various games an things, but if I can even get it working at all I'll be happy
[21:06] <coreymon77> blendroid: lets start off with dhcp
[21:07] <SilentDis> markit: ahhhh, i misunderstood.  sounds like the bulletproof x and driver settings are mucked.  it used to be a simple reconfigure of xserver-xorg, but i'm not so sure now, maybe someone else can shed light on it?
[21:07] <coreymon77> okay, so did you put the stuff in?
[21:07] <markit> SilentDis: kdebase-workspace is missing
[21:07] <blendroid> coreymon77: ok, entered everything and clicked ok
[21:07] <coreymon77> blendroid: okay, go to the routes tab now
[21:07] <blendroid> coreymon77: and sorry for my amazingly slow typing; my d key broken and is a pain to use
[21:08] <blendroid> ok
[21:08] <coreymon77> fill that in/make sure whats in there is correct
[21:08] <coreymon77> device=wlan0
[21:08] <viniciuspt> somebody would know which software or script is responsible for creating the shortcuts in desktop and  /media ?
[21:08] <blendroid> coreymon77: got it
[21:08] <coreymon77> blendroid: next tab
[21:08] <coreymon77> put in your dns (typically found on your routers status page)
[21:08] <SilentDis> markit: how about this...  might be just a off-setting somewhere.  `mv ~/.kde ~/backup.kde` and try logging back in.  it'll reset everything in the way of kde settings
[21:08] <serenity> aseigo's first video stream for kde: http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4511247 happy seeding
[21:09] <blendroid> coreymon77: got it
[21:09] <coreymon77> everything done?
[21:09] <blendroid> coreymon77: yeah
[21:09] <markit> SilentDis: I've tried with a brand new user, same problem. Let's see if kde-workplace was the problem
[21:09] <blendroid> coreymon77: about the localhost and <computername> entries in that bottom list, should I change those?
[21:09] <coreymon77> blendroid: okay, click apply
[21:10] <coreymon77> blendroid: dont worry about those
[21:10] <blendroid> ok
[21:10] <coreymon77> click apply and hope for the best
[21:10] <blendroid> coreymon77: applied
[21:10] <takoski> chi sa come funziona avidemux?
[21:10] <markit> SilentDis: the funny thing is that I just upgraded from "-kde4" to "kde" version 4, but a LOT of troubles have blocked me. I'm not a guru, but neither a newbie. Figure a clueless user what should think about it
[21:10] <DaSkreech> viniciuspt: hal I would suspect
[21:11] <coreymon77> blendroid: is it working?
[21:11] <markit> SilentDis: same again :(
[21:11] <blendroid> coreymon77: hmm, doesn't seem to be working. :(  I'll try restarting, maybe
[21:11] <coreymon77> blendroid: wait, first
[21:11] <blendroid> ok
[21:11] <snikker> can i move the kde4 dock to the top of the screen?
[21:11] <coreymon77> blendroid: do you have ethernet on that computer?
[21:11] <SilentDis> markit: I'm not exactly guru status either, but i have to say, with a term in front of me i can at least diagnose most of my issues using man pages and the like :)
[21:11] <blendroid> coreymon77: yeah, but the router is downstairs
[21:11] <blendroid> coreymon77: so that's kinda shot
[21:11] <markit> I've the bad feeling that some desktop effects are enabled by default, and my video card can't handle them
[21:12] <coreymon77> cause that would really help
[21:12] <blendroid> coreymon77: maybe it's time I've relocated :P
[21:12] <coreymon77> cause i would like something pastebined
[21:12] <viniciuspt> some shortcuts for SD cards are not being servant, have there that to mount they manually
[21:12] <coreymon77> blendroid: which is sorta hard without internet access
[21:13] <coreymon77> blendroid: desktop or laptop?
[21:13] <viniciuspt> my KDE is version 3.5.9
[21:13] <blendroid> it's a rather large HP PAvillion
[21:13] <SilentDis> markit: i'm trying to figure it out still, but i'm at a loss here, and running out of time, gotta go to work soon :P
[21:13] <coreymon77> blendroid: well then pick it up and move it over to the laptop
[21:14] <blendroid> if you're gonna be here for a while, I could try moving it downstairs and hooking up with an ethernet cable
[21:14] <coreymon77> its a laptop isnt it
[21:14] <coreymon77> ?
[21:14] <blendroid> oh, no, it's a desktop
[21:14] <DaSkreech> snikker: yes
[21:14] <blendroid> which is why it might take a while :P
[21:15] <coreymon77> thats odd, hp says that the pavillion line are notebooks
[21:15] <blendroid> coreymon77:weird, I've never seen one
[21:15] <snikker> DaSkreech: how can i do that?
[21:15] <SilentDis> markit: aargh, i'm out of time, i'll pop in when i get home though to see what's up, i really hope one of our awesomesauce members here can help ya though, sorry :(
[21:15] <coreymon77> okay then, there goes that
[21:15] <markit> SilentDis: don't mind, thanks a lot for you help so far
[21:16] <markit> SilentDis: with google I'm sure I will solve
[21:16] <blendroid> coreymon77: be right back
[21:16] <blendroid> coreymon77:being summoned by family members
[21:16] <coreymon77> blendroid: can you copy something into a text file, transfer it to the computer you are using with internet and put it on pastebin for me?
[21:18] <blendroid> coreymon77: back
[21:18] <coreymon77> see above
[21:18] <blendroid> coreymon77: yeah, sure
[21:18] <coreymon77> pastebin the output of iwconfig in a terminal window
[21:19] <DaSkreech> snikker: click the cashew on the right side of the panel and drag the resulting black bar to the top of the screen
[21:19] <egonw> Riddell: thanx again for your help yesterday on that max window problem; the solution was removing the .deb devilspie (just FYI)
[21:21] <blendroid> how to I get to the command line or wherever I'm supposed to be?
[21:21] <coreymon77> open konsole
[21:21] <coreymon77> kmenu, system, konsole
[21:21] <blendroid> ah, thanks
[21:22] <DaSkreech> alt+F2 -> konsole
[21:22] <coreymon77> guys, any way of using apt without an internet connection, because theres a package that i use that will help him, but he cant get internet access
[21:22] <snikker> DaSkreech: but in this way i've got a dock bar very high, but i can't move the bar with the original size to the top of the screen...
[21:23] <DaSkreech> snikker: I think just resize it back down
[21:23] <egonw> coreymon77: put the .deb in a USB, copy, and use dpkg -i bla.deb
[21:23] <sevenseeker> I seem to be stuck in an apt-get look.  How do I get 'apt-get -f remove package*' to ignore other broken packages and just do it?
[21:24] <egonw> sevenseeker: you could try 'dpkg -r package'
[21:24] <sevenseeker> yes, although I used wildcards, is that the problem?
[21:24] <egonw> sevenseeker: mmm... never tried
[21:25] <egonw> sevenseeker: yeah, you could try without the wildcard
[21:25] <DaSkreech> snikker: stays the same size here
[21:26] <writher__> Hey all, anyone happen to know if I run Windows inside of VMWare if the burning application being run on the VM Image will be able to use the burning capabilities of my blu ray burner?
[21:26] <tacosarecool> hello
[21:26] <writher__> Or will the VM Image just have some generic DVD-Rom drivers
[21:26] <tacosarecool> How do I open .bins without using a command line
[21:27] <snikker> DaSkreech: i'm just tring but i'm unable to move it...
[21:27] <coreymon77> writher__: vmware will be able to use the capabilities afaik, so it probably depends on if the burning program supports it
[21:27] <DaSkreech> writher__: If you allow passthrough but #vmware is a better chan
[21:27] <writher__> Ok thanks I'll check there guys.
[21:28] <DaSkreech> snikker: When You click the cashew do you get a black bar with a button that says remove this panel?
[21:28] <blendroid> coreymon77: ok, this should be it http://pastebin.com/m170c080
[21:29] <snikker> DaSkreech: yes, i've got it
[21:29] <DaSkreech> snikker: ok that bar (not the panel itself) drag to the top
[21:30] <DaSkreech> snikker: It has a little resize handle don't drag that. Just grab anywhere in the bar and drag that to whateveer side you like
[21:30] <snikker> DaSkreech: ok, great it work! thank you very much! :)
[21:30] <DaSkreech> hi chairman
[21:30] <chairman> ubuntu 8.10 iz tight so far but i want to make it better .how can iget the objectdock for the bottom?
[21:30] <sevenseeker> egonw: thank you, after running that a few times (it didn't catch all the deps the first few times) I am good now :) thanks again
[21:30] <chairman> whaat's good DaSkreech?
[21:30] <egonw> sevenseeker: happy I could help
[21:31] <DaSkreech> chairman: Linux development
[21:31] <DaSkreech> chairman: Gnome configuration can be sussed out in #ubuntu
[21:31] <blendroid> coreymon77: did you get the link up there?
[21:31] <coreymon77> yes
[21:32] <oscar> i ran the sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop in terminal in gnome
[21:32] <blendroid> ok
[21:32] <coreymon77> brb, gotta go walk the dog
[21:32] <blendroid> haha, ok
[21:32] <oscar> how do i switch to kde
[21:32] <tacosarecool> Hello
[21:32] <tacosarecool>  sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[21:32] <egonw> oscar: which login daemon are you using? still gdm, or already kdm?
[21:32] <tacosarecool> default desktop environment is kdm
[21:33] <oscar> i think gbm
[21:33] <egonw> oscar: kdm at least allows you to pick KDE as session
[21:33] <tacosarecool> Oh yeah
[21:33] <tacosarecool> Select session
[21:33] <tacosarecool> At login
[21:33] <tacosarecool> kde
[21:33] <oscar> should i log out then try that?
[21:33] <DaSkreech> oscar: logout and there should be a select session button
[21:33] <egonw> yes
[21:33] <DaSkreech> oscar: If not press alt+T
[21:33] <oscar> alright bbl
[21:33] <DaSkreech> then choose what you like and login
[21:33]  * DaSkreech uses failsafe
[21:33] <DaSkreech> :-D
[21:33] <egonw> failsafe?
[21:34] <DaSkreech> Yeah it starts nothing
[21:34] <tacosarecool> How do I open .bins without opening the command prompt
[21:34] <DaSkreech> tacosarecool: No clue
[21:34] <coreymon77> blendroid: or not
[21:34] <tacosarecool> Also .air's are being annoying because it's asking me for the root pass but it isn't doing it right
[21:35] <coreymon77> so, anyone know how i could get a hold of the kwifimanager .deb without apt?
[21:35] <DaSkreech> tacosarecool: precede them with a root elevation
[21:35] <blendroid> coreymon77: how convient, mwahaha
[21:35] <DaSkreech> packages.ubuntu.com ?
[21:35] <blendroid> *convenient
[21:35] <coreymon77> blendroid: its been delayed a bit
[21:36] <DaSkreech> hi oscar
[21:36] <DaSkreech> Works?
[21:36] <oscar> woah
[21:36] <oscar> yeah
[21:36] <oscar> way more visually pleasing
[21:36] <DaSkreech> KDE?
[21:36] <oscar> yeah
[21:36] <DaSkreech> Or Gnome?
[21:36] <oscar> kde
[21:36] <coreymon77> blendroid: btw, what version is the computer running on?
[21:36] <DaSkreech> It's default
[21:36] <DaSkreech> You can make it look better :-D
[21:36] <oscar> :D
[21:37] <blendroid> coreymon77: how do I find that? I know I downloaded it less than a month ago, but I'm not sure whether it's the latest one
[21:38] <coreymon77> blendroid: kde 3 or 4?
[21:39] <blendroid> umm, how might I find that? (sorry, you can tell I've just started with Linux)
[21:39] <sourcemaker> my system tray looks often ugly (seems to be a repaint problem) any solutions?
[21:40] <DaSkreech> blendroid: Welcome to Linux KDE and Kubuntu!!
[21:40] <blendroid> haha
[21:40] <coreymon77> blendroid: right click on the dock at the bottom go to help and then about kde
[21:40] <blendroid> ok
[21:40] <coreymon77> whats it say?
[21:41] <blendroid> Release 3.5.9
[21:41] <Princess> quelqu'un peu me donner le lien pour le ubuntu
[21:41] <DaSkreech> !fr | Princess
[21:41] <coreymon77> okay, then you have hardy, good
[21:41] <coreymon77> DaSkreech: just to make sure, console command to check kubuntu version?
[21:42] <blendroid> coreymon77: oh, good, I thought it meant I was a gonner :P
[21:42] <egonw> dpkg -l "kdebase*"
[21:42] <coreymon77> blendroid: this makes things easier
[21:42] <egonw> that will give 4.1.2 for intrepid, 3.5.x for hardy
[21:43] <DaSkreech> lsb_release -a
[21:43] <DaSkreech> wait no
[21:43] <DaSkreech> that's Distro version :-)
[21:43] <egonw> coreymon77: kubuntu version, or kde version?
[21:43] <coreymon77> DaSkreech: thats what i wanted
[21:44] <coreymon77> blendroid: type lsb_release -a into konsole
[21:44] <blendroid> coreymon77: ok
[21:44] <coreymon77> tell me that what it says for codename
[21:44] <blendroid> coreymon77: hardy
[21:44] <coreymon77> good
[21:45]  * thomas[away] is away: Gone away for now
[21:45] <tacosarecool> Why is it that stickam worked properly under hardy but not intrepid
[21:45] <coreymon77> blendroid: do you have a usb key or something like that around?
[21:46] <blendroid> you mean a flash drive?
[21:46] <coreymon77> yup
[21:46] <blendroid> yep
[21:47] <coreymon77> blendroid: packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/i386/kwifimanager/download
[21:47] <coreymon77> blendroid: go there, get the package on the computer you are on now
[21:47] <blendroid> ok
[21:47] <coreymon77> stick it onto the flash drive and then copy it from the flash drive to the linux box
[21:49] <blendroid> transferring...
[21:49] <coreymon77> so, guys, what do we do about dependencies for this package
[21:49] <egonw> copy too
[21:50] <coreymon77> isnt there an easier way to do this?
[21:50] <billytwowilly> Hi, how do I configure a printer in kde4?
[21:50] <egonw> blendroid: is that other machine connected to the machine you using for IRC?
[21:50] <egonw> or not at all?
[21:50] <egonw> or not connected at all?
[21:51] <coreymon77> egonw: the one he is using is not running linux
[21:51] <blendroid> no, it's not
[21:51] <blendroid> yeah, that too
[21:51] <blendroid> :P
[21:51] <DaSkreech> What's Stickman?
[21:51] <blendroid> so do I just put the file anywhere?
[21:51] <coreymon77> wait a minute
[21:51] <DaSkreech> billytwowilly: Better to use Cups for right now
[21:51] <egonw> coreymon77: intrepid live CD?
[21:51] <coreymon77> egonw: its a hardy package
[21:51] <billytwowilly> DaSkreech: ok, how do I use Cups?
[21:52] <DaSkreech> !print
[21:52] <egonw> coreymon77: sure, but then he could use that machine as proxy
[21:52] <billytwowilly> oh cool. the printer automagically showed up.
[21:52] <billytwowilly> I turned it on and now it's in the printer options list when I want to print.
[21:52] <coreymon77> egonw: dont the cds have some sort of apt repo on them?
[21:52] <egonw> yes, think so
[21:53] <DaSkreech> billytwowilly: :-D
[21:53] <egonw> well... IIRC it's mostly just the dir structure
[21:53] <egonw> but don
[21:53] <egonw> but don't have the sources.list around
[21:55]  * ThomasHC is back.
[21:55] <lucax> hey there, can someone help me setup a hp pavilion multimedia keyboard?
[21:55] <lucax> i cant find the way of doing this
[21:56] <coreymon77> egonw: okay, hers the deal, i want him to get the kwifimanager package, but the linux computer has no internet access
[21:56] <egonw> coreymon77: are there so many deps that copying them via flash is not overseeable?
[21:56] <billytwowilly> hmm, so it showed up as a printer but it won't print. jobs disapear as if completed from the document print status but nothing comes out of the printer..
[21:56] <coreymon77> egonw: on its own, no, but each of those packages has their own deps
[21:57] <blendroid> coreymon77: I already have it on a flash drive, or at least whatever that download was
[21:57] <egonw> blendroid: should be a .deb file
[21:57] <egonw> blendroid: copy to linux machine, and type: dpkg -i foo.deb
[21:58] <egonw> blendroid: that will very possibly throw you back a list of missing dependencies...
[21:58] <blendroid> coreymon77: ok
[21:58] <egonw> blendroid: but with a bit of luck not
[21:59] <blendroid> just type that into a konsole?
[21:59] <egonw> yes
[21:59] <blendroid> ok
[21:59] <jura> рш
[21:59]  * egonw crosses fingers
[21:59] <chairman> does anyone know how can i get 8.10 to have a Mac Leopard
[21:59] <jura> hi
[21:59] <chairman> look?
[22:00] <coreymon77> egonw: hmm, help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGet/Offline/Repository
[22:00] <coreymon77> this might help
[22:00] <blendroid> it says I need superuser privileges
[22:00] <egonw> ah, yes
[22:00] <Princess> s'il vous plait pour aller sur ubuntu
[22:00] <egonw> sudo dpkg -i foo.deb
[22:00] <Guest79950> yt
[22:00] <Guest79950> tttt
[22:01] <coreymon77> Princess: we told you, anglais seulement SVP
[22:02] <blendroid> egonw: hmm, no such file or directory
[22:02] <RurouniJones> !fr | Princess
[22:02] <coreymon77> blendroid: foo is a generic name
[22:02] <blendroid> ohhh, sorry
[22:02] <coreymon77> blendroid: your supposed to replace that with the name of the deb file you got from the usb key
[22:02] <egonw> blendroid: sorry about that
[22:02] <coreymon77> sorta like blah
[22:02] <tyler> hi
[22:03] <blendroid> got it XD
[22:03] <Guest52336> file:///home/tyler/Desktop/Escape.desktop
[22:03] <tyler_> tyl
[22:04] <tyler_> file:///home/tyler/Desktop/Escape.desktop
[22:04] <coreymon77> ...
[22:05] <blendroid> it still says no such file, and I'm quite sure I typed the name correctly...
[22:05] <blendroid> and it's under documents
[22:06] <woody86_> anyone help me out? "Configuration file "/home/steve/.kde/share/config/kdesudorc" not writable."
[22:06] <coreymon77> egonw: i gotta go for a bit, can you take care of this?
[22:07] <egonw> blendroid: please try 'ls -al' from the same place you issued dpkg and the same file name
[22:07] <mathias> hey is there a working solution for macbook pro's alc889a with kubuntu 8.10? i tryed serval option's kombination in modprobe.d but nothing works , ... maybe is a luser exption :P but i need help
[22:07] <egonw> coreymon77: yes, I'
[22:07] <blendroid> ok
[22:07] <egonw> coreymon77: yes, I'll stay around to help blendroid
[22:07] <oscar> my volume wont unmute
[22:07] <Ash-Fox> How do I reset the menus and file associations to default in Kubuntu intrepid? I've done numerous upgrades, moved from various distributions to another while keeping my home directory. Unfortuantely now it's become quite messy with lots of dead applications in menus, associatinos that don't work etc. I don't want to delete my KDE profile because there is a lot of things in KDE I wish to keep, from kopete, kmail settings and mail t
[22:08] <egonw> oscar: had that too...
[22:09] <serenity> aseigo's first video stream for kde: http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4511247 happy seeding
[22:09] <oscar> how did u fix?
[22:09] <egonw> oscar: try: kmix applet -> right click -> show mixer window
[22:09] <egonw> then hit the Mixer button
[22:09] <oscar> nope
[22:09] <oscar> it was working in gnome
[22:09] <blendroid> egonw: still says no such file/directory... :S
[22:10] <egonw> in the window opened click Settings menu -> Configure channels and show all channels
[22:10] <egonw> oscar: one was muted for me
[22:10] <egonw> blendroid: is the flash drive mounted?
[22:10] <blendroid> egonw: yes
[22:11] <egonw> blendroid: and you copied it to /home/USERNAME/Documents ?
[22:11] <blendroid> yeah
[22:11] <egonw> oscar: nope what?
[22:11] <egonw> oscar: or start kmix from konsole
[22:12] <egonw> oscar: and then go to Settings -> Conf channels
[22:12] <oscar> all of my channels are up
[22:12] <egonw> blendroid: ok type:
[22:12] <egonw> cd /home/USERNAME/Documents
[22:12] <egonw> (where USERNAME is replaced by your actual account name)
[22:12] <blendroid> ok
[22:12] <oscar> hold lemme
[22:12] <oscar> lemme try something
[22:12] <woody86_> why is my hard drive starting in read-only mode?
[22:13] <egonw> blendroid: then do they sudo dpkg -i foo.deb again
[22:13] <egonw> without any path
[22:14] <egonw> blendroid: you should be able to type the first two/three chars of the foo.deb file name and then hit TAB for tab completion...
[22:14] <egonw> which should complete the full file name
[22:14] <blendroid> gah! it seems to think that the documents folder doesn't exist either!!
[22:15] <egonw> ok, then just try copying the foo.deb into the home folder /home/USERNAME
[22:15] <blendroid> ok
[22:15] <blendroid> egonw: got it
[22:16] <blendroid> egonw: issue the order again
[22:16] <blendroid> ?
[22:16] <egonw> yes
[22:16] <chairman> skreech u there?
[22:17] <tyler_> gg
[22:19] <fish__> hello everyone :) so how can I completely wipe out my kde nightlys with all the settings?
[22:19] <fish__> I tried sudo apt-get remove --purge kde-nightly
[22:19] <fish__> but after reinstallting it still doesn't work
[22:19] <fish__> I want to wipe all configs as well
[22:19] <blendroid> egonw: yay! it's doing something...
[22:19] <blendroid> egonw: ok, got a bunch of info
[22:20]  * fish__ lost
[22:20] <egonw> blendroid: missing dependencies?
[22:20] <blendroid> egonw:  oh wait, no, it's still working
[22:21] <chairman> any ideas?
[22:21] <tyler_> yy
[22:21] <DarkriftX> anyone know what kind of botis used in here?
[22:21] <DarkriftX> and does it read from a wiki?
[22:21] <blendroid> egonw: it says "setting up kwifimanager (4:3.5.9-0ubuntu1) ..." on the last line printed
[22:21] <egonw> that sounds good
[22:22] <egonw> blendroid: you get returned to the command line prompt?
[22:22] <dr_willis> !bot
[22:22] <DarkriftX> hrmmmm
[22:22] <egonw> blendroid: if so, please verify the install with: dpkg -l kwifimanager
[22:22] <blendroid> ok
[22:22] <egonw> blendroid: that should give you "ii" before the packge name
[22:22] <egonw> for installed and something else which I don't remember
[22:24] <DarkriftX> dr_willis, do yo know if the bot is eggdrop? if so is the script available?
[22:25] <DarkriftX> i didnt see much on there about the bot itself, just its replies
[22:25] <DarkriftX> ahh, might have found it
[22:25] <blendroid> egonw: "error processing kwifimanager (-- install):" and a few other lines came up
[22:27] <egonw> blendroid: rigth... I guess missing dependencies
[22:28] <fish__> anyone?
[22:28] <egonw> blendroid: can you see which packages are missing?
[22:29] <egonw> blendroid: dpkg will report that...
[22:29] <blendroid> egonw: one sec...
[22:29] <courtjesterg> hey does nayone else notice even after you uninstall something ffrom adept say firefox there is still a firefox foler in home?
[22:31] <courtjesterg> no answer?
[22:31] <binMonkey> hey, guys.
[22:31] <blendroid> egonw: it just says "cannot access archive: no such file or directory" and then "errors were encountered while processing: kwifimanager"
[22:31] <blendroid> egonw:  or should I have put the entire filename again?
[22:31] <courtjesterg> i wonder how many other folders that are made are still keeped in the system after uninstalling i noticed icetea plugin folder was still there as well even after uninstall
[22:32] <binMonkey> i'm researching what wireless cards a out of the box ready and it all seems to come down to the chipset.  how do i know the chipset until i've gotten it home and can check it?
[22:32] <courtjesterg> anyone know a application defrage the harddrives?
[22:32] <egonw> blendroid: yes, as in: sudo dpkg -i kwifimanager_3.5.9-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
[22:33] <billenium> My sound works on ubuntu but not kubuntu...
[22:33] <billenium> How do i get it to work?
[22:33] <binMonkey> courtjesterg: apparently you don't have to defrag linux systems.  it's some kind of magic.
[22:33] <courtjesterg> is there an application to defrafment the harddrives and put everything back in order or is this not needed in lunix?
[22:34] <courtjesterg> wow
[22:34] <binMonkey> linux, i meant.
[22:35] <coreymon77> binMonkey: do you have a laptop or a desktop?
[22:35] <binMonkey> coreymon77: it's a laptop.
[22:36] <coreymon77> oh
[22:37] <blendroid> egonw: that brings up "(Reading database ... 89792 files and directories currently installed.)  /Preparing to replace kwifimanager 4:3.5.9-0ubuntu1 (using foo.deb) ... /Unpacking replacement kwifimanager ... /Setting up kwifimanager (4:3.5.9-0ubuntu1) ...
[22:37] <egonw> that's all?
[22:37] <egonw> blendroid: that looks fine
[22:37] <blendroid> yeah
[22:37] <egonw> ok, now type this:
[22:37] <egonw> dpkg -l kwifimanager
[22:37] <egonw> that should give you a line with:
[22:38] <egonw> ii kwifimanager 4:3.5.9-0ubuntu1 wireless lan manager for KDE
[22:38] <billenium> D;
[22:38]  * billenium dies
[22:38] <egonw> blendroid: the first to chars are important 'ii'... do you have those?
[22:38] <binMonkey> can anyone help me with how to find out a wireless card's chipset before buyig it?
[22:39] <coreymon77> binMonkey: help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WirelessCardsSupported
[22:39] <billenium> Do i have to install drivers to get my sound working?
[22:39] <coreymon77> binMonkey: thats a good place to start, it will tell you what cards (instead of chipsets work ootb)
[22:39] <billenium> because i don't think intel supports linux :(
[22:39] <egonw> billenium: I have intel sound chip set, and listening to amarok now
[22:40] <billenium> :|
[22:40] <binMonkey> coreymon77: thanks.
[22:40] <billenium> egonw: that doesn't help me.
[22:40] <mahi> whats up with no screen savers in kubuntu 8.10
[22:40] <billenium> but thanks?
[22:40] <egonw> billenium: well, was sort of: don't give up yet :)
[22:40] <coreymon77> mahi: screensavers have been obsoleted for years
[22:40] <blendroid> egonw: yep, there's an ii with information following it
[22:40] <mahi> why?
[22:40] <coreymon77> mahi: ever since lcd screens came out, screensavers are no longer needed
[22:41] <egonw> blendroid: excellent... then you have kwifimanager now :)
[22:41] <coreymon77> egonw: nice one
[22:41] <mahi> yeah but i want to have something take over my screen with some kind of entertaining image when I am not using my machine
[22:41] <egonw> coreymon77: I think I was lucky all the deps were already installed :)
[22:41] <courtjesterg> question trying install the new sea monkey alpha version which isn't in adept now it says it would be in this directory to install sea monkey /usr/local/seamonkey) i don't even see the directory where it was already installed with adept
[22:41] <coreymon77> egonw: oh, then you were, big time
[22:42] <blendroid> egonw: so is there an app I should start up, or...?
[22:42] <coreymon77> blendroid: now, back to what we were doing
[22:42] <coreymon77> blendroid: yes, start it up
[22:42] <blendroid> ok, it's open
[22:42] <coreymon77> blendroid: what does it say?
[22:42] <egonw> ok, I'm out of here now... will do some eclipse-based app debugging
[22:43] <blendroid> egonw: thanks a lot! :)
[22:43] <egonw> blendroid: good luck with getting the wifi hooked up
[22:43] <blendroid> coreymon77: one sec..
[22:43] <courtjesterg> !seamonkey
[22:44] <Elone> hihi
[22:45] <blendroid> coreymon77: it says "no access point" "local ip unavailable" and "frequency 2.412 [1]"
[22:45] <courtjesterg> adept doesn't even have the newest stable release of sea monkey
[22:45] <coreymon77> okay
[22:45] <coreymon77> blendroid: so, go to scan for networks
[22:45] <blendroid> and a scan for networks brings up nothing
[22:45] <courtjesterg> doesn't even have the newest stable realease of firefox either
[22:45] <coreymon77> nothing?
[22:46] <coreymon77> alright
[22:46] <Elone> i am new to Linux ~ anyone can point me where should i look for video codec like divx, xvid, rmvb, mkv etc~
[22:46] <blendroid> yeah, "scan is complete but no networks were found"
[22:46] <blendroid> somehow
[22:46] <coreymon77> settings, configuration editor, enter your pword
[22:46] <blendroid> ok
[22:46] <courtjesterg> i downloaded adobe flash lastest version and adept said that they had the newest realse why is that? SO now i got two different flash plugins but the same version
[22:47] <coreymon77> blendroid: network name = essid, op mode=managed speed=auto
[22:47] <coreymon77> interface autodetect
[22:47] <blendroid> and I replace essid with the actual name, right?
[22:48] <coreymon77> essid=your network name
[22:48] <blendroid> yeah
[22:48] <coreymon77> so ya
[22:48] <coreymon77> check the use encryption box and then click the configure button
[22:48] <coreymon77> key to use = key 1, crypto mode = open
[22:49] <coreymon77> key 1 = put in your wep key
[22:49] <blendroid> then click ok?
[22:49] <coreymon77> yup
[22:49] <coreymon77> wait
[22:49] <coreymon77> open up configure again
[22:49] <blendroid> ok
[22:49] <coreymon77> is there wep 64-bit hex in green letters next to the key?
[22:50] <blendroid> yep
[22:50] <coreymon77> good
[22:50] <coreymon77> press ok
[22:50] <blendroid> got it
[22:50] <coreymon77> check the load preset configuration on startup box, config to load = config 1
[22:50] <coreymon77> then press apply
[22:50] <blendroid> got it
[22:50] <coreymon77> press okay
[22:51] <blendroid> ready
[22:51] <coreymon77> now, settings, make sure stay in system tray on close is checked
[22:52] <blendroid> ok
[22:52] <coreymon77> has it connected to anything yet?
[22:53] <blendroid> "no networks were found" :,(
[22:53] <coreymon77> go to konsole and type iwlist wlan0 scan
[22:53] <blendroid> ok
[22:53] <coreymon77> see if your network shows up
[22:54] <blendroid> no scan results
[22:54] <coreymon77> well then clearly your card or your router isnt working
[22:54] <blendroid> this is weird, cause it was showing up in KNetwork Manager or whatever the original program was
[22:54] <coreymon77> try opening it again
[22:55] <blendroid> ok
[22:55] <jonatas> ola pessoal aguem fala portugues?????
[22:56] <blendroid> it shows up for KNM, but it still says no results in the konsole
[22:56] <mahi> should I be able to find kscreensaver in my adept?
[22:56] <coreymon77> try connecting now
[22:56] <blendroid> or in kwifimanager
[22:56] <blendroid> ok
[22:57] <philip_> speak anybody here german?
[22:57] <coreymon77> any luck?
[22:57] <DrMrHorse> fhghgfjg vhghfhthfgthgvh6tuyt6yut66 th r  6t t66t 67 t t6 6tygjyhjewr65 2ykuytefyaemvyajdcasmbjhmshbv,jsr
[22:57] <blendroid> it got to 71% and then cancelled
[22:57] <philip_> where i am?
[22:57] <blendroid> like earlier
[22:58] <DrMrHorse> 12233344445555566666677777778888888899999999910101010101010101010
[22:58] <courtjesterg> !ark
[22:58] <DrMrHorse> !ark
[22:59] <blendroid> oh wait!  it's showing up in kwifimanager now!
[22:59] <coreymon77> it is?
[22:59]  * uga hopes DrMrHorse comes back soon to remove his pet monkey from the keyboard
[22:59] <coreymon77> good
[22:59] <DrMrHorse> bgnjmgv jnmvfjmngvfm,ngbv jn,gbfvjmfgbvjnkgbfvjn,gvjmn,bgvm,nb vnmgbvnjmtgvnm,tgfvj,ngvfnm,fvdm,nvgfdgnj,fgvmnfvmn,fdj,bfdshjrdkm.rdsgjewfiop5487954jkdfm ,cvzjkhdgzbjbc,lgdmjn,fvnk,vxnmb,fvjnh,dfjh6triuo65896uiytgnjkgfklgfhkmhnghbgcfk.mgfbrfghsdfghdzhjcvbvbn v gvdcghedghtyedbvedtyutyu4ryt7uetyutegbnhfdshggfyfghfghfghfhgghgffggdfgdgdsgdsgjdsgdsfghdsfghdfsgjdsgghdghsdfjhdjhgjsdfgdggdsjfjhvn,jgfjhyrhl/mytj/;mlp'k
[23:00] <uga> will somebody do something about it?
[23:00] <coreymon77> !ops
[23:00] <DrMrHorse> =D
[23:00] <blendroid> it still says "local ip unavailable," but the connection speed is excellent
[23:00] <coreymon77> blendroid: good good!
[23:01] <uga> thanks
[23:01] <coreymon77> this is progress
[23:01] <blendroid> coreymon77: ^_^
[23:01] <bashbin> hi
[23:01] <coreymon77> is the internet working?
[23:01] <bashbin> there is a program called "kbluetooth".   Question:  How can I tell this programm "kbluetooth"  what PIN it should use?   My CELL Phone asks me for the PIN,   but there is no option to tell kbluetooth the same PIN Code
[23:01] <blendroid> checking again...
[23:02] <blendroid> doesn't seem to be
[23:02] <coreymon77> okay, this is progress atleast
[23:03] <coreymon77> will knetwork still not connect?
[23:03] <rosco_y> does kubuntu have a gui for setting cron jobs?
[23:03] <blendroid> shall check
[23:03] <rosco_y> or does that need to be done from a command-line or editing a text file?
[23:03] <uga> rosco_y: yes, open systemsettings
[23:03] <uga> rosco_y: under advanced, there's "task scheduler"
[23:03] <rosco_y> uga: thanks :)
[23:04] <uga> I never used this gui, but hope it works fine
[23:04] <blendroid> is it a problem that KNM only lists options for 40/128bit keys?  (mine apparently is 64bit)
[23:05] <blendroid> and it just failed again..
[23:05] <levidos> test
[23:05] <coreymon77> blendroid: okay, will konsole list show it now?
[23:06] <rosco_y> uga: I'm not finding the "task scheduler" -- if I'm not specifically using the kde4 shell, am I not using kubuntu?
[23:06] <blendroid> coreymon77: no, and for some reason when I scan with kwifimanager it'll say there aren't any networks, even though it's registering on all those meters and things
[23:07] <coreymon77> does it say that it is connected to the network?
[23:07] <starenka> hi how can i switch jre's?
[23:07] <uga> rosco_y: uym... may it come from my own kde4 setup? you're using kde4, right?
[23:07] <blendroid> coreymon77: yes, though the internet still won't work
[23:07] <uga> rosco_y: anyway, give me a second and I'll check where mine came from
[23:08] <coreymon77> odd, go back to network settings and try using a static
[23:08] <blendroid> coreymon77: in the "status of active connection," everything shows up except the local ip
[23:08] <blendroid> ok
[23:08] <rosco_y> uga: I have kde4 installed, but I don't log into it because the panel-bar doesn't seem to span two monitors under kde4, or should I be able to do that?
[23:09] <rosco_y> I like kde4, but I miss having the panel span my monitors
[23:09] <uga> rosco_y: no, the panel doesn't span. But the feature I mentioned is from kde4
[23:09] <zibrah3ed> My xserver instantly drops when i logon. Using parrallels with a virtual disk. anyone have a suggestion of how to fix this? kubuntu 8.10
[23:09] <rosco_y> shoot
[23:09] <uga> you can have windows share both montiors but not panel to cover both afaik
[23:09] <DaSkreech> starenka: sudo dpkg-reconfigure your jre
[23:09] <starenka> thx, alerady googled it :)
[23:09] <rosco_y> is there a command-line equivalent for opening the task-scheduler?
[23:09] <starenka> :))
[23:10] <DaSkreech> rosco_y: top
[23:10] <levidos> hello
[23:10] <fish__> thanks guys, laters
[23:10] <DaSkreech> rosco_y: Also see htop
[23:10] <rosco_y> DaSkreech: thanks :)
[23:10] <DaSkreech> !hi
[23:10] <uga> rosco_y: try in a konsole... "kcmshell4 kcm_cron"
[23:10] <levidos> what's your opinion: should i store my music in my home folder or on another partition?
[23:10] <starenka> DaSkreech: sudo update-alternatives --config java works also fine
[23:10] <uga> rosco_y: well, better with sudo
[23:10] <uga> (kdesudo)
[23:10] <DaSkreech> rosco_y: when in top type ? for commands
[23:11] <DaSkreech> levidos: How much do you have how tied are you to them and how much do you share with others?
[23:11] <coreymon77> zibrah3ed: parallels sucks, use fusion
[23:11] <zibrah3ed> thanks corey i will take that into consideration. I appreciate your help
[23:12] <levidos> ~ 120GB and i want sometimes to access them from a windows box
[23:12] <coreymon77> zibrah3ed: other than that, no clue :P
[23:12] <blendroid> coreymon77: the local ip shows up now, though the internet still won't work
[23:12] <blendroid> coreymon77: I'll make sure the other settings are correct
[23:13] <blendroid> coreymon77: oh, the default gateway field seems to have magically cleared itself...
[23:13] <DaSkreech> levidos: Shared partition with Windows then Stay out of the Home directory
[23:13] <coreymon77> that would do it
[23:13] <zibrah3ed> coreymon77: yes that is very helpful. never would have thought of that
[23:13] <markit> any video card that I can buy and install in a desktop, that gives 3D acceleration with Free Software drivers?
[23:13] <coreymon77> re-enter it, and press apply
[23:14] <blendroid> YESS!!! it's working!
[23:14] <zibrah3ed> nvidia drivers have always worked for me. downside is the non opensource nature of the driver
[23:14] <coreymon77> blendroid: :)
[23:14] <coreymon77> blendroid: :D
[23:14] <coreymon77> yay!
[23:15] <coreymon77> congrats!
[23:15] <levidos> tnx DaSkreech
[23:15] <blendroid> hmm, yahoo came up (albeit in a weird fragmented sort of way), but blender.org isn't showing up...
[23:15] <coreymon77> what browser?
[23:15] <blendroid> konquerer
[23:15] <coreymon77> no, bad
[23:16] <blendroid> should I get firefox?
[23:16] <DaSkreech> markit: Most Intel Most old nVidia and ATI
[23:16] <coreymon77> use fx
[23:16] <coreymon77> (firefox(
[23:16] <coreymon77> )
[23:16] <markit> DaSkreech: does intel provide pci-x boards I can buy?
[23:16] <zibrah3ed> Anyone else have any input on help with xserver configuration on parallels for kubuntu 8.10?
[23:16] <blendroid> oh crap... the signal strength went all the way down, for some reason...
[23:17] <DaSkreech> markit: doubt it
[23:17] <coreymon77> blendroid: s**t happens, just wait it out
[23:17] <markit> DaSkreech: so NO boards, since old nvidia or ati are not available anymore in regular shops :(
[23:17] <coreymon77> what are yo getting the ss from, kwifi or knetwork?
[23:17] <DaSkreech> markit: For some definition of old
[23:17] <blendroid> kwifi
[23:18] <coreymon77> okay
[23:18] <coreymon77> no worries
[23:18] <coreymon77> blendroid: do you know anything about apt yet?
[23:18] <blendroid> I'm not sure; I don't recognize the acronym
[23:18] <coreymon77> okay, then no
[23:19] <blendroid> haha
[23:19] <blendroid> yeah
[23:19] <boboso> does anyone know of
[23:19] <coreymon77> apt is the easiest way of installing things
[23:19] <coreymon77> unlike with windows, you dont go to the site and download an installer usually
[23:19] <coreymon77> the best thing to do first is to check to see if apt has it
[23:20] <blendroid> where would apt be?
[23:20] <coreymon77> konsole
[23:20] <blendroid> just type it in?
[23:20] <coreymon77> this is when you get to become more comfortable with commandline stuff
[23:20] <coreymon77> nope
[23:20] <coreymon77> first thing you do is type sudo apt-get update
[23:20] <DaSkreech> blendroid: sudo apt-get install <programname>
[23:21] <blendroid> ok
[23:21] <coreymon77> DaSkreech: ya, thanks for stealing that
[23:21] <DaSkreech> coreymon77: Anytime good chum
[23:22] <coreymon77> blendroid: so, after sudo apt-get update is done
[23:22] <blendroid> coreymon77: ok, it's trying to us.archive.ubuntu.com and security.ubuntu.com, and it says 0% at the left
[23:22] <coreymon77> blendroid: in order to get firefox, you would type sudo apt-get install firefox
[23:22] <thompa> does anyone know if possible to have kde 3.5?
[23:22] <DaSkreech> thompa: Hmm?
[23:22] <coreymon77> blendroid: ya, it might take a while
[23:23] <coreymon77> blendroid: is your connection still up?
[23:23] <blendroid> and now it's just said "failed to fetch etc. etc. etc."
[23:23] <DaSkreech> might take even longer if he doesn't have net
[23:23] <blendroid> I'm gonna try re-plugging in the adapter
[23:23] <thompa> DaSkreech: on intrepid I mean
[23:23] <thompa> is kde 4 only option?
[23:23] <coreymon77> DaSkreech: we just got net working
[23:24] <coreymon77> blendroid: darnit
[23:24] <coreymon77> we just got it working :P
[23:24] <DaSkreech> thompa: argh
[23:25] <blendroid> hmm.. it's saying there's no access point, as if someone messed up the router downstairs, but I'm still here, so...
[23:26] <coreymon77> blendroid: where does it say that?
[23:26] <blendroid> coreymon77: in kwifimanager
[23:26] <coreymon77> in the active connection thing?
[23:26] <blendroid> yeah
[23:26] <DaSkreech> Everything should be .....
[23:26] <DaSkreech> We've lost him
[23:26]  * DaSkreech falls to knees
[23:26] <DaSkreech> WIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
[23:26] <DaSkreech> fi
[23:26] <coreymon77> blendroid: go check the settings again
[23:27] <blendroid> they're all still there
[23:27] <blendroid> and I clicked apply again
[23:27] <coreymon77> in konsole
[23:28] <coreymon77> sudo iwconfig wlan0 essid foo key foo
[23:28] <coreymon77> and no, you do not replace essid with the name, you replace foo with the name
[23:29] <coreymon77> same with key
[23:29] <dthacker> recommendations for kde3 based twitter client?
[23:29] <blendroid> ok
[23:29] <coreymon77> you do it?
[23:29] <blendroid> not yet, typing now..
[23:29] <DaSkreech> dthacker: Kopete ?
[23:30] <dthacker> DaSkreech: didn't know kopete did that.  I'll take a look.
[23:30] <DaSkreech> I think twittershould have a jabber bot. You can add that to any jabber client
[23:33] <blendroid> it says "error for wireless request 'set encode' (8B2A) : /invalid argument <networkname>
[23:33] <blendroid> doh, I think I know what I did wrong...
[23:33] <coreymon77> meh?
[23:34] <blendroid> ok, this time it worked
[23:34] <coreymon77> example
[23:34] <coreymon77> sudo iwconfig wlan0 essid asdfg key 12345
[23:34] <blendroid> well, it didn't say anything, back, so I assume it worked
[23:34] <blendroid> and the connection seems to be back, though at a quite low mbit/s rate
[23:35] <blendroid> so should I go back to that update command?
[23:37] <coreymon77> ya, do the update again
[23:38] <blendroid> it claims to be connecting again
[23:38] <coreymon77> okay, check on konqueror if anything else is working
[23:40] <kesnol> hello
[23:40] <clement> hello
[23:40] <kesnol> can anybody help me with a webcam?
[23:40] <glucio123> ciao a tutti
[23:40] <clement> ciao
[23:41] <blendroid> coreymon77: nope, internet won't work, but kwifimanager says I'm connected
[23:41] <coreymon77> ...
[23:41] <kesnol> it is a sn9c102 webcam but is not supored by gspca
[23:41] <DaSkreech> !it
[23:41] <DaSkreech> !webcam
[23:41] <coreymon77> blendroid: im running out of ideas
[23:41] <glucio123> No problem, I can speak english as well
[23:42] <kesnol> I have added gspca to the blacklist and load manually the sn9c102 module
[23:42] <kesnol> but what it needed in order to the module recognices the webcam and create a device?
[23:43] <blendroid> no problem, I've wasted quite enough of your day. :(  I think I might be able to fix it at this point, cause I think the only problem now is the connection speed
[23:44] <coreymon77> blendroid: sorry i couldnt get it fully working
[23:44] <blendroid> thanks a million for all of your help!  I don't know how average humans are expected to hook up their networks on Kubuntu :P
[23:45] <coreymon77> blendroid: get better cards
[23:45] <blendroid> well, this is actually a quite good one, I think (I know it worked flowingly until I switched to Kubuntu)
[23:46] <blendroid> are there any linux-recommended cards?
[23:46] <blendroid> or a list somewhere?
[23:46] <coreymon77> blendroid: as you said, you are on a desktop correct?
[23:46] <blendroid> yeah
[23:47] <coreymon77> then i know the perfect card
[23:47] <coreymon77> the one i am using
[23:47] <coreymon77> it works ootb
[23:48] <coreymon77> blendroid: that means out of the box, incase you didnt know
[23:48] <coreymon77> blendroid: airlink101 awlh 4030
[23:48] <blendroid> oh, ok XD
[23:48] <coreymon77> best card i have ever had in my life
[23:48] <blendroid> thanks, I'll copy that down :)
[23:48] <ruben> hola
[23:50] <blendroid> see ya later, I guess (well, hopefully I won't have to, but you know what I mean XD)  and thanks again for the help!