[00:11] <Linuxownsu> Hello world
[00:12] <Linuxownsu> Who thinks GNOME'S the best ? 
[00:14] <Mez> !best | Linuxownsu 
[00:14] <Mez> !idle | Linuxownsu 
[00:14] <Linuxownsu> Kk thanks 
[00:15] <Linuxownsu> I was asking for features comparisions but google drowning me in results
[00:16] <Linuxownsu> Ciao amigos 
[00:19] <Mez> @mark Linuxownsu Nice hostmask... and trollish behaviour
[00:20] <spree> back, sorry, i am having problems with ubuntu, hence the need to get back in #ubuntu
[00:20] <spree> i already apologized etc LjL said i just had to wait a few days its been a few days
[00:21] <Mez> spree: what nick were you using...
[00:22] <spree> a lot of nicks.
[00:22] <spree> thats why i was banned
[00:22] <Mez> spree: the one that got you banned?
[00:22] <Mez> (original ban)
[00:22] <spree> i don't remember it probably had the word faggot in it i was mocking somebody in another channel and forgot i was in #ubuntu
[00:23] <spree> ive been bad i know better now sorry and i've been waiting a few days. i understand i broke the rules and won't do it anymore.
[00:23] <spree> i have read the TOS from the ubottu bot as told to
[00:26] <spree> <Gary> spree: how sure can people be that if you were allowed back in you would not behave like you did the last time?  <-- well i've done everything people in this channel have told me to do, why would i spend all this effort on getting back in to get banned again for a few lines of text
[00:26] <spree> Gary
[00:38] <ikonia> spree: what about your behaviour in offtopic ?
[00:39] <ikonia> and you where not banned in #ubuntu just because of your name, but for being rude and offensive and making what you considered rude and offensive jokes, with very adult content
[00:39] <spree> ikonia, i honestly don't even remember 
[00:40] <ikonia> what is the difference between sarah palin's mouth and sarah palin's vagina?
[00:40] <ikonia> does that ring a bell ?
[00:40] <spree> oh that...
[00:40] <spree> yes it does
[00:40] <spree> sorry about that
[00:40] <ikonia> right.....what was that all about in #ubuntu ?
[00:40] <ikonia> why did you do it ?
[00:40] <spree> because i was drunk and it was election night?
[00:40] <spree> i know it wasn't appropriate
[00:41] <ikonia> how about this I farted, its yeasty pungent scent took me aback with its succulent sulfur and rotting meat stench
[00:41] <spree> i regret doing it
[00:41] <ikonia> so after you where banned in the first channel you went and caused issues in other channels
[00:42] <ikonia> spree: well, I'm afraid that is the price of being banned in my view, you don't get the support you want when you want it
[00:42] <spree> look you're just crucifying me here i've already apologized
[00:42] <spree> and i've been banned for approaching 2 weeks
[00:42] <spree> if i wasn't serious i wouldn't be talking to you
[00:43] <ikonia> spree: 9 days
[00:43] <spree> we're on week 2
[00:44] <ikonia> right, I don't have confidence personally that this wasn't a one off, so I suggest you wait for ljl to return 
[01:13] <mneptok> "i was drunk" is certainly behavior that's likely to re-occur
[01:13] <mneptok> you can only prevent behavior you actually control
[01:25] <LjL> spree - yet another nickname uh
[01:25] <LjL> i don't know... is it just me who have an instinctive feeling again people who come here to "appeal" with a different nickname every time
[01:26] <LjL> @mark #Ubuntu-ops spree This is "PipFAGGOT", I did tell him to check back in a few days, but the logs are worrying.
[01:26] <LjL> @mark #ubuntu-ops spree This is "PipFAGGOT", I did tell him to check back in a few days, but the logs are worrying.
[02:26] <genii> Good evening, morning, or afternoon
[02:27] <genii> Not to be confused with csh ...
[02:42]  * nalioth likes cash
[02:43] <genii> Most people do ...
[02:43] <jussi01> hehe
[02:43] <jdong> but does cash support suspending jobs?
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[02:43] <jussi01> anyone here in Texas? ie. somewhere not too far from san antonio?
[02:44]  * jussi01 slaps jdong
[02:44] <nalioth> jussi01: <ahem>
[02:44] <jussi01> nalioth: I know you are in texas, but how far from san antonio?
[02:46] <nalioth> jussi01: just a couple hundred miles
[02:46] <nalioth> not far at all
[02:47] <jdong> heh I've heard that everything is bigger in texas, but distance scales?
[02:47] <genii> As the Jackelopes stride
[02:47]  * nalioth is a retired trucker.  300 miles is a pre-breakfast jaunt
[02:48]  * nalioth has driven to SA and Austin just to eat out before
[02:48] <genii> Freightliner, Peterbilt, Mac ?
[02:49] <genii> I like Peterbilts
[02:49] <nalioth> genii: that's Mack, sonny  :P
[02:50] <jussi01> Kenworth :D
[02:51] <genii> nalioth: :)
[02:51] <genii> Somehow Texans and pitbulls just seem to go together...
[02:52] <genii> Though it may be a bulldog on them, I forget atm
[02:54] <jrib> i hate driving
[02:56] <jussi01> nalioth: do you see my pms?
[02:57] <nalioth> jussi01: i will if i look
[02:57]  * nalioth has "real life", you know
[02:57] <jussi01> hehe
[02:57] <jussi01> nalioth: you are freenode staff, you dont have real life...
[02:57] <jussi01> :P
[03:15] <mneptok> jussi01: incorrect. for staff, "real life" is "that place the servers are hosted"
[03:16] <jussi01> hehe
[03:21] <elkbuntu> you mean IRC isn't real?
[03:24] <mneptok> http://www.unrealircd.com/
[03:26] <genii> elkbuntu: Apparently not
[03:27] <elkbuntu> :(
[03:27]  * elkbuntu goes to rethink life, the universe and everything.
[03:27] <elkbuntu> hrm, might go out for pudding though, that will count for 'leaving the house this weekend'
[03:28] <genii> I get to actually go out on Monday
[03:28] <elkbuntu> does that involve pudding?
[03:29] <genii> No, hockey
[03:35] <genii> The McDonalds there may sell pudding of some kind, i don't know
[03:38] <nalioth> McDonalds? pudding?
[03:38]  * nalioth pinches genii and checks his awareness
[03:39] <elkbuntu> hehe, no i'm going to an actual cafe, i go there most weekends for pudding.
[03:39] <genii> nalioth: I'm awake, I'm awake!
[03:39] <nalioth> genii: no doubt, but are you aware of what reality you are currently inhabiting?
[03:39] <genii> A non-pudding based one?
[03:40] <nalioth> I dread to think what McDonalds would sell for pudding
[03:41] <genii> Actually me too
[03:42] <genii> Thats why I'll probably have the (extremely overpriced) beer instead
[03:44] <jussi01> @now houston
[03:44] <genii> Poor Houston
[03:44] <genii> @now Toronto
[03:51] <mneptok> hehehe. jdong, the east coast kid. :)
[03:51] <mneptok> "OMG 200 miles that's like going to Jupiter!!!!"
[03:51] <jdong> mneptok: lol I love driving distances too, though I have no professional background doing so :)
[03:52] <jdong> mneptok: I just do it whenever I feel the winters are too cold.
[03:52] <mneptok> jdong: where are you from originally?
[03:52] <jdong> Michigan
[03:52] <jdong> we love cars over there
[03:52] <mneptok> i've heard that
[03:53] <mneptok> i'm from Hartfod, CT. i remember people talking about "driving all the way to Boston just for a weekend"
[03:53] <mneptok> uhh ... it's a 90 minute drive.
[03:53] <jdong> lol
[03:54] <mneptok> when we lived in OR i used to drive 5 hours each way for a weekend visiting friends. people from the east coast acted like i was driving to Chile.
[03:54] <genii> That fryguy is giving iffy advice in #ubuntu again
[03:56] <genii> nvm it was me
[03:57] <bazhang> matthew
[03:57] <bazhang> very very chatty
[03:59] <Flannel> you mean matthias ;)
[04:00] <Flannel> hmm
[04:00] <Flannel> no, he doesn't seem chatty
[04:01] <bazhang> no I mean matthew
[04:01] <bazhang> the one who said 'why do you want blue teeth' on a request for bluetooth
[04:01] <Goatz> Why does netyire's nick seem framiler? Was s/he not banned in ubuntu-ot?
[04:04] <Flannel> BigUrsis: Not that I'm aware
[04:04] <genii> bt says no
[04:04] <BigUrsis> hrumm, thanks anyways.
[04:08] <Flannel> erm
[04:08] <Flannel> anyone with -ot?
[04:09] <mneptok> Flannel: haven't been watching
[04:14] <mneptok> fryguy is really beginning to annoy.
[04:15]  * mneptok goes AFK for a smoke and chill-out
[04:16] <bazhang> heh
[04:16] <bazhang> s/beginning/getting more *ing/
[04:33] <bazhang> not sure how re-directing to #winehq = rtfm
[04:33] <bazhang> but man bash, and just google it are not
[05:35] <bazhang> heh
[06:12] <bazhang> holymoo (holycow ) in #kubuntu
[06:12] <bazhang>  holycow (n=biteme@S01060016b6b53675.vf.shawcable.net) has joined #kubuntu
[06:13] <nalioth> is he being disruptive?
[06:13] <Flannel> @bansearch holycow
[06:14] <bazhang> less than usual
[06:14] <Flannel> just banned places
[06:16] <Flannel> What an odd question
[06:21] <bazhang> flaccid> hmm this seems like another pathetic ubuntu release. time to start submitting bugs. cyas
[06:21] <bazhang> a budding limcore
[06:21] <Flannel> I was going to pardon him from having to endure it any longer, but he left.
[06:22] <bazhang> hehe
[06:27] <DrDerek> could I have someone take notice to offtopic.
[06:27] <bazhang> guess its a different standard for !ot in #kubuntu
[06:27] <DrDerek> user Stasshole has been harassing me and using my name 
[06:28] <Flannel> DrDerek: Thanks for the headsup
[06:28] <DrDerek> He's been also using my old user names LordKagar, and Kagar to try and get me in trouble
[06:28] <DrDerek> but yeah, that's all.
[06:29] <Flannel> Anyone who has ops in -ot awake?
[06:29] <Flannel> Stasshole could use a kick
[06:29] <bazhang> and a ban.
[06:30] <Flannel> I wouldn't disagree with a ban either.  but definately a kick.
[06:31] <tritium> Done.
[06:31] <bazhang> thanks tritium 
[06:31] <Flannel> DrDerek: They haven't been in -ot
[06:31] <tritium> Sure.  Thanks for letting me know
[06:32] <DrDerek> yeah, not yet, but in some other channels I was in.
[06:32] <DrDerek> he was using my old users.
[06:32] <DrDerek> but again, thanks.
 i need to stop drinking
[06:40] <bazhang> dont know if that counts as disruptive or not.
[06:40] <bazhang> any !trigger to him will just unleash invective on his part
[08:11] <elkbuntu> lemonade + ginger beer + vodka = nom.
[08:11] <Flannel> How do you nom on a liquid?
[08:12] <elkbuntu> thlurp then
[08:13] <elkbuntu> ok, now i need a Finn to tell me how to internet from a phone. as in.. how do i find the mac address of this thing so i can register it with my router
[08:18] <elkbuntu> nevermind, founded it
[08:34]  * elkbuntu prods Myrtti gently
[08:34] <elkbuntu> is it wakeup time in finland yet?
[08:36] <Flannel> elkbuntu: Its a saturday
[08:37]  * jussi01 is awake...
[08:37] <elkbuntu> yes, but you're on the same continent as me
[08:37] <elkbuntu> or, aren't you?
[08:38] <jussi01> yes, i am..
[08:39]  * jussi01 wonders why you need a person from the other side fo the world-....
[08:39] <Flannel> jussi01: Because only the Finns know about little phone things.
[08:39] <Flannel> and also, emacs.
[08:40] <jussi01> Flannel: Ive picked up some while ive been there ;)
[08:41] <Flannel> jussi01: Perhaps all Finnish people have six fingers on each hand then?  So they can not only type faster on tiny phones, but also utilize all eight metakeys.
[08:41] <jussi01> rofl
[08:43] <elkbuntu> jussi01, which irc client should i get then?
[08:43] <jussi01> elkbuntu: putty + irssi :D
[08:43] <jussi01> elkbuntu: which phone is it?
[08:44] <elkbuntu> e71
[08:44] <elkbuntu> i'm being told jmirc from others
[08:45] <jussi01> elkbuntu: well seriously, putty + irssi works great for me
[08:46] <elkbuntu> but i dont want CLI.
[08:46] <jussi01> but mriggi is not bad 
[08:47] <elkbuntu> At least these problems are in 0.4.4:   * /msg is still broken for some reason
[08:48] <elkbuntu> o.O
[08:53] <elkbuntu> jussi01, btw, guess who has decided to lurk in -au* again :(
[09:01] <Flannel> oh, oh!  oh!  I know!
[09:03] <elkbuntu> :(
[09:11] <Flannel> Looks like we'll need some oppage in -ot if things continue
[09:13] <elkbuntu> ikonia, please help me use this thing...
[09:13] <Flannel> elkbuntu: Its easy, its a phone.  Dial numbers, hit the green button, talk ;)
[09:13] <jussi01> /slap Flannel
[09:14]  * Flannel has a phone that makes phone calls.
[09:14] <Flannel> receives them too!
[09:14] <jussi01> anyway, Im off for a shower...
[09:20] <Flannel> Thanks Gary
[09:21] <Gary> why do people feel the need to talk about their willies on a open source irc network?
[10:02] <elkbuntu> that worked better
[10:02] <elkbuntu> Gary, because they *are* willies
[10:03] <Gary> now, that got my mind wandering... :p
[10:09] <Flannel> Not nearly as much fun when he isn't in the room.
[10:12] <Flannel> alright.  Up in six hours, time for bed.
[10:14] <Gary> hawt
[10:31] <elkbuntu> a whole six?
[10:31] <elky_e71> amateur
[10:52] <DrDerek> My suspicion is that epiclulz in offtopic is 'Stasshole' again, just using the mibbit to hide his address
[10:58] <bazhang> any one with rights in #kubuntu may wish to check a (nick)
[11:00] <bazhang> * [a] (n=a@86.46.84.38): a
[11:33] <bazhang> @bansearch thomasd
[12:29] <[twisti]> http://www.mcmoon.com/katie/index.php?c=viral&m=index&id=5857b3a134e818705ea3990682ad85cd
[12:29] <[twisti]> lol
[12:33] <bazhang> !staff
[12:34] <bazhang> ^^
[12:46] <bazhang> [twisti], you need to change your ident
[12:47] <bazhang> [twisti], please dont idle here.
[12:47] <[twisti]> why dont you want me to idle here ?
[12:47] <bazhang> check the topic
[12:48] <[twisti]> oh, my bad
[12:48] <[twisti]> i wanted to go to #ubuntu
[12:48] <[twisti]> i dont know how i landed here
[12:48] <bazhang> you are banned with that ident
[12:48] <[twisti]> ah, i see
[12:49] <bazhang> @mark [twisti]
[12:51] <Gary> bazhang: that link posted would not have been suitable for #ubuntu either
[12:51] <bazhang> Gary, certainly not
[13:01] <elkbuntu> kids these days...
[13:02] <bazhang> that is one really awful link
[13:09]  * jrib does not click
[13:42] <Myrtti> elkbuntu: with e71 putty and irssi is nice, I use irssi-proxy and mirggi on my n95
[13:43] <Myrtti> elkbuntu: and though I physically live in Finland, I've emotionally lived in UK for quite some time, so
[13:43] <Myrtti> GOOD MORNING FROM CAMBRIDGESHIRE!
[13:44] <elkbuntu> heh
[13:44] <elkbuntu> you're a fin through and through.
[13:44] <Myrtti> http://xkcd.com/448/
[13:45] <Myrtti> true
[13:45]  * Myrtti goes to nom rye bread and make coffee
[14:13] <ikonia>  elkbuntu how you getting on with it ?
[14:13] <elkbuntu> slowly
[14:13] <elkbuntu> cant find a decent ubuntu-ish theme for it :(
[14:13] <ikonia> my first two days with it where slow/frustrating
[14:13] <ikonia> elkbuntu: yes, I want a nice "theme" too
[14:13] <ikonia> still on the defaults
[14:20] <ikonia> elkbuntu: found any good apps yet
[14:20] <elkbuntu> other than putty and jmirc, nope
[14:20] <ikonia> I'm fighting to get tom tom on there
[14:21] <elkbuntu> as in the gps thing?
[14:21] <ikonia> yup
[14:22] <ikonia> can these things only take an 8gb memory card ?
[14:23] <Myrtti> 16 is the biggest I've heard
[14:23] <ikonia> I'm aware of 16GB cards, but I thought these could only take 8
[14:24] <elkbuntu> the max often is determined by the maximum possible at the time of specification writing.
[14:24] <ikonia> yes
[14:24] <elkbuntu> so, you'd not know until you tried
[14:24] <ikonia> I need to take mine in to get "flashed" as the nokia branded firmware is about 9 months old !
[14:24] <Myrtti> I can try to make something in Virtualbox as a theme
[14:25] <ikonia> Myrtti: explain ?
[14:25] <Myrtti> ikonia: if you have vmwared windows, you can flash it yourself
[14:25] <ikonia> oh?
[14:25] <Myrtti> yeah.
[14:25] <Myrtti> virtualboxed windows can't do it
[14:25] <ikonia> my only concern is the vodafone application for mail 
[14:25] <Myrtti> I've tried
[14:25] <Myrtti> oh.
[14:25] <Myrtti> *shrug*
[14:25] <ikonia> I assume I don't need a Vodafone firmware to run it
[14:25] <ikonia> but I can't find any info 
[14:26] <Myrtti> but as for the themes
[14:26] <Myrtti> I used to do my themes on ownskin.com
[14:26] <Myrtti> but I'm not that happy with it anymore
[14:26] <Myrtti> they seem to install some apps into the phone that I'm not totally comfortable with
[14:34] <elkbuntu> such as?
[14:35] <Myrtti> such as I don't know what they do.
[14:40] <elkbuntu> anyway, bedtime
[14:42] <Myrtti> [16:42] ~~~Crapstains  [n=Crapstai@WS-ESR2-74-215-39-112.fuse.net] has  joined #ubuntu
[14:52] <elky_e71> filo1234 can we help?
[15:10] <ikonia> well, just grabbed a nice green theme, all looks well,however it has one bug in that when someone calls me they have not changed the font from white, so the white box with the callers name in is just blank white
[15:13] <jussi01> ikonia: elkbuntu http://www.mmcforums.net/theme/4208/simply-ubuntu-mobile-theme.html
[15:14] <jussi01> dunno if it works on your widescreens tho
[15:15] <ikonia> not a fan of the big ubuntu logo
[15:16] <elky_e71> i agree with ikonia
[15:17] <ikonia> you clearly have good tast ;)
[15:17] <ikonia> taste
[15:17] <elky_e71> i should probably sleep rather than irc in bed too 
[15:17] <ikonia> nah
[15:17] <ikonia> sleep is over-rated
[15:18] <elky_e71> it is 2:20
[15:18] <elky_e71> am
[15:18] <ikonia> .....and
[15:18] <ikonia> no no, go to bed
[15:19] <elky_e71> i am in bed. So is the phone
[15:19] <ikonia> elkbuntu: have you figured out how to turn the welcome tone off yet ?
[15:21] <ikonia> elkbuntu: http://www.symbianthemes.us/nokia_e71/
[15:29] <elky_e71> tomorrow
[15:45] <Myrtti> that was random
[15:45] <bazhang> wth
[15:58] <ikonia> I think I know.....
[15:58] <ikonia> @bansearch neil
[15:58] <ikonia> @btlogin
[16:01] <ikonia> I can't see the IP range that neil was using in that ban
[16:40] <ikonia> @bansearch 196.201.211.71
[16:41] <ikonia> @bansearch Guest73983
[16:41] <bazhang> #ubuntu+1 ?
[16:41] <bazhang> that is odd
[16:42] <ikonia> agreed
[16:42] <bazhang> and his last question in #ubuntu
[16:42] <ikonia> yes
[16:42] <ikonia> I thought he may have been in +1 as he was banned from #u
[16:42] <ikonia> but he wasn't
[16:43] <bazhang> not yet.
[16:53] <bazhang> @mark krashero offtopic and language
[16:54] <ikonia> @mark Guest73983 threatening to ddos people / trolling
[16:55] <ikonia> 16:54 <Guest73983> i am 20 something and i can DOS attak u now with your ip  address 
[16:55] <ikonia> 16:54 <ikonia> ok, bye then
[16:56] <bazhang> wow
[16:56] <ikonia> removed him from ubuntu channels he was in
[16:56] <ikonia> didn't see a value in allowing that sort of threat in any channel to harrass/distrupt others
[16:56] <bazhang> I fear this is not the last we see of him
[16:57] <ikonia> I think it is
[17:20] <Jack_Sparrow> Hi gang, just a quick note to say hello.  Still swamped here with projects.  Hope all is well with everyone
[17:20] <Myrtti> err http://pastebin.com/f5421c60e
[17:21] <Myrtti> oh
[17:21]  * Myrtti facepalms
[17:21] <Myrtti> I forgot I've got home on the same partition with /
[17:21] <Myrtti> doh.
[17:21] <Jack_Sparrow> Blame those rodent
[17:21] <Jack_Sparrow> s
[17:22] <Myrtti> myrtti@tikru:/home$ du -sh
[17:22] <Myrtti> 36G	
[17:22] <Myrtti> oh, my backups will fit nicely
[17:23] <jrib> hey Jack_Sparrow
[17:23] <Jack_Sparrow> Hey Jrib
[17:24] <Jack_Sparrow> I am stealing a few minutes from work to see how things are going
[17:37] <Mez> o_O
[17:37] <Mez> damn spammers using my name
[17:37] <jrib> 0_o
[17:37] <Myrtti> -_-
[17:37] <ikonia> where ?
[17:39] <Mez> bout an hour and 10 mins ago in #ubuntu (repeating the same question over and over)
[17:46] <PriceChild> Why do you hilight on people using 'mez' inside theiro own nick?
[17:47] <Mez> it highlighted the responses to him.
[17:47] <Mez> and he showed up in my /lastlog mez
[17:47] <PriceChild> right
[18:18] <ikonia> another user with 2.6.25 kernel 
[18:18] <ikonia> I still can't figure out where that is coming from 
[18:18] <Pici> !info linux-386
[18:19] <Pici> ikonia: ^^
[18:19] <ikonia> Pici: you found it
[18:19] <Myrtti> where and why?
[18:20] <Pici> ikonia: I had found that the other day but didn't put it together with the 'random user' issue until now.
[18:20] <ikonia> Pici: good find !
[18:20] <Pici> I don't remember why I was looking either...
[18:27] <PriceChild> does the listing on grub change for whatever distro you have?
[18:27] <PriceChild> (\kubuntu glade88)
[19:15] <Myrtti> !pm
[19:15] <Myrtti> Pici: plz?
[19:17] <Pici> Myrtti: hm?
[19:18] <Myrtti> Pici: would this be ok: "please ask your questions in the channel so that other people can help you, benefit from your questions and answers and control you're not getting bad advice. Please don't PM a user in the channel without asking first, some find it rude."
[19:18] <Myrtti> s/control/<find-appropriate-word>/
[19:19] <Pici> s/control/ensure/
[19:19] <Pici> 'ensure that' rahter
[19:20] <Myrtti> !no pm is <answer> Please ask your questions in the channel so that other people can help you, benefit from your questions and answers and ensure that you're not getting bad advice. Please don't PM a user in the channel without asking first, some find it rude.
[19:20] <Myrtti> !pm
[19:20] <Pici> !no pm is <reply>  Please ask your questions in the channel so that other people can help you, benefit from your questions  and answers and ensure that you're not getting bad advice. Please don't PM a user in the channel without asking first,  some find it rude.
[19:21] <Pici> :)
[19:21] <Myrtti> doh
[19:21] <Myrtti> !pm ~= s/  / /
[19:21] <Pici> !pm
[19:21] <Myrtti> !pm ~= s/  / /
[19:21] <Pici> !pm ~= s/  / /
[19:22] <Pici> !pm
[19:22] <Pici> Looks good to me.
[19:22] <Myrtti> yeah
[19:27] <ikonia> !staff > pepelucho sex url spamming
[19:28] <Pici> uh
[19:28] <ikonia> !staff
[19:28] <ikonia> oops
[19:29] <tomaw> gone
[19:29] <ikonia> ta
[19:59] <DaSkreech> hi. just did an adjustment. It's kinda incomplete as it needs a Wiki page to show how to get back to konqueror or use Dolphin in Gnome or KDE
[19:59] <DaSkreech> Also is !d3lphin simply a redirect to !dolphin?
[20:00] <DaSkreech> I'd like !d3lphin to keep it's current verbage
[20:01] <Pici> !-d3lphin
[20:02] <DaSkreech> Drat I forgot about that :)
[20:09] <Pici> I'm not a KDE person, I'd like for someone else who uses it to review it :)
[20:10] <PriceChild> A factoid about dolphin dealing only with konqueror?
[20:10] <PriceChild> we dont need that factoid
[20:10] <DaSkreech> PriceChild: Yeah One of the most common questions about Dolphin is how to switch back to Konqueror
[20:11] <Pici> Maybe some sort of !replace<something> factoid?
[20:11] <PriceChild> stick it on !konqueror if wanted
[20:11] <PriceChild> DaSkreech: No, that's a question about kde or konqueror, not dolphin.
[20:11] <DaSkreech> a factoid talking about a non default option is a can of worms dont' you think?
[20:12] <Myrtti> I'm not sure I'm understanding a word said here
[20:12] <DaSkreech> Hi Myrtti
[20:12] <DaSkreech> I knew I knew you from somewhere :)
[20:12] <Myrtti> but, I'm a XFCE/Gnome person, so ignore me
[20:12]  * DaSkreech hugs
[20:13] <PriceChild> Excuse me?
[20:13] <DaSkreech> Myrtti: the default file manager was changed to Dolphin Some people would really prefer the old option
[20:13] <PriceChild> If we only promoted "default", and discouraged "non default", then we wouldn't have any factoids, as we wouldn't support anybody to change anything.
[20:13] <DaSkreech> PriceChild: No I'm saying then you would have to have a !factoid for each of the valid options
[20:13] <PriceChild> I'm not saying don't have the factoid, I'm just suggesting that informatino should be in !konqueror, seen as that's what you want.
[20:14] <DaSkreech> Wouldn't it make more sense to say how to change from the default and allow the user to make up thier mind?
[20:14] <PriceChild> Yep no problem with that.
[20:14] <PriceChild> But if someone wants to find out about dolphin, they don't want to hear about konqueror.
[20:14] <DaSkreech> I could reword to make it more generic but most people really want konqueror not nautilus of krusader or thunar etc
[20:15] <DaSkreech> We have had a few people come in asking how to get Dolphin on Gnome/XFCE
[20:15] <DaSkreech> but most of the comments on Dolphin have been nice most of the questions have been how do i get back Konqueror
[20:15] <DaSkreech> Hence the original reason the factiod was made
[20:16] <DaSkreech> Now that KDE4 is shipping by default I thought I'd split the association between the KDE3 dolphin and the KDE4 dolphin factoid
[20:17] <DaSkreech> If that makes sense to all here?
[20:18] <DaSkreech> Actually let it stay for a bit I need to put up Wiki page to address all of this then it can link to it
[20:19] <DaSkreech> PriceChild: thanks for that suggestion though I'll keep that in mind (lack of a !konqueror factoid) :)
[20:24] <LjL> PriceChild, there's something you're missing i think
[20:24] <LjL> !dolphin
[20:24] <LjL> the factoid is *already* there and *already* tells you how to get back to konqueror
[20:25] <LjL> in more detail than daskreech's proposal has
[20:25] <PriceChild> okies
[20:25] <LjL> but
[20:25] <PriceChild> still think the last part is in the wrong factoid :P
[20:25] <LjL> i don't like a factoid that tells "you can do this" without telling you how
[20:26] <LjL> !filemanager
[20:26] <DaSkreech> LjL: Meeither that's why I want to build a wiki page that covers the three most popular questions about Dolphin
[20:27] <DaSkreech> Each DE has it's own way of doing default filemanagers
[20:27] <DaSkreech> BTW why doesn't !Gnome tell you how to install it?
[20:27] <LjL> DaSkreech: and that's why we have channge specific factoids
[20:27] <LjL> there's one thing i don't quite know though
[20:27] <DaSkreech> !kde
[20:27] <DaSkreech> !xfce
[20:27] <LjL> how do you change your default file manager from inside *dolphin*, not konqueror?
[20:27] <DaSkreech> !gnome
[20:28] <DaSkreech> LjL: Let me try something and tell you  in a second
[20:28] <LjL> the !gnome factoid is quite bad
[20:29] <LjL> if it were on wikipedia, it's be tagged "sounds like an ad"
[20:29] <DaSkreech> I've often thought so
[20:29] <DaSkreech> Yeah but an ad with no way to buy it
[20:29] <LjL> !no gnome is <reply> GNOME is the default !desktop environment on Ubuntu. To install it from Kubuntu or Xubuntu, type « sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop » in a !terminal.
[20:30] <LjL> !default
[20:30] <LjL> !default-#kubuntu
[20:30] <LjL> !no default is <reply> To change the default application for a filetype in Nautilus, right-click on a file, select Properties -> Open With, and then change the setting.
[20:30] <DaSkreech> That's sweet
[20:31] <DaSkreech> Hmm
[20:31] <LjL> !default-#kubuntu is <reply> To change the default application for a filetype, go to Konqueror -> Settings -> Configure and then hit "File Associations" (KDE 3), or System Settings -> Advanced -> File Associations (KDE 4)
[20:31] <DaSkreech> Myrtti: ping. How do you change file associations in Xfce ?
[20:32] <LjL> i suspect that in just about every DE, you can change the default filemanager by changing the association for the directory type
[20:32] <LjL> so that should probably be stuck to !default and that's it
[20:33] <DaSkreech> Yep true I was going to change the !dolphin factoid to say "Change the inode association to konqueror in !default"
[20:33] <ikonia> discussing inode association seems over the top in a factoid
[20:34] <DaSkreech> ikonia: Not when that's what people are asking for
[20:34] <ikonia> who is ?
[20:34] <LjL> ikonia: you don't have to know what an inode is, you just need to find where it says "inode/directory" in the dialog box...
[20:35] <ikonia> surly that should be in an instruction page/link rather than in the factoid
[20:35] <LjL> !no default-#kubuntu is <reply> To change the default application for a filetype, go to Konqueror -> Settings -> Configure and then hit "File Associations" (KDE 3), or System Settings -> Advanced -> File Associations (KDE 4). To change your default file manager, change the "inode/directory" and "inode/system_directory" filetypes.
[20:35] <DaSkreech> ikonia: The default file manager in KDE was changed and people like the old one so they ask how to get it back
[20:36] <ikonia> DaSkreech: where are they asking this ?
[20:36] <LjL> in #kubuntu of course
[20:36] <DaSkreech> in #kubuntu ?
[20:36] <ikonia> I've not seen it, hence why I'm asking
[20:37] <DaSkreech> It's gotten a lot less since the 7.10 days but cropped up again with KDE4 by default
[20:37] <DaSkreech>  though Dolphin is >>> D3lphin
[20:37] <LjL> the factoid !dolphin was Requested 237 times
[20:37] <LjL> that's many.
[20:38] <DaSkreech> so people like it better
[20:38] <DaSkreech> Still I thought it wise to split the !dolphin and !d3lphin factoids since they are offically two products in the Ubuntu world now
[20:38] <LjL> do they need to have a factoid in the first place?
[20:38] <LjL> !info dolphin
[20:39] <LjL> !info d3lphin
[20:39] <LjL> these tell what they are
[20:39] <LjL> aside from the fact that the latter isn't in intrepid
[20:39] <DaSkreech> yeah but people are still on hardy
[20:39] <LjL> !info d3lphin hardy
[20:39] <LjL> where the heck is it to begin with
[20:39] <DaSkreech> It's colloquial 
[20:40] <LjL> then they aren't two different products
[20:40] <DaSkreech> Dolphin on KDE3 libs have far less functionality than the one on KDE4 libs
[20:40] <LjL> well that goes for just about every KDE package
[20:40] <LjL> (one way... or the other)
[20:40] <DaSkreech>  So much so people called them different names to make it clear which one they are talking about
[20:40] <DaSkreech> No for the most part most are ports from KDE3 with some added fun
[20:41] <LjL> well, the !d3lphin factoid was requested a solid 0 times
[20:41] <LjL> i don't see a need for it
[20:41] <DaSkreech> Dolphin is a pure KDE4 app shoehorned into KDE3
[20:41] <DaSkreech> yeah I guess not :0-
[20:41] <DaSkreech> :-)
[20:41] <LjL> and i don't see a need for !dolphin, it should be in !default (right there if possible, or in a wiki page otherwise)
[20:42] <LjL> !no dolphin is <alias> default-#kubuntu
[20:42] <DaSkreech> I'll work on  a wiki page but I don't have a problem with that as it solves the most greivous question about dolphin
[20:43] <LjL> !default-#kubuntu
[20:43] <LjL> DaSkreech: just should confirm that the above works, both in 3 and 4
[20:43] <LjL> i have 3
[20:44] <DaSkreech> LjL: It does
[20:44] <DaSkreech> In KDE4 there is an option to switch between Dolphin and Konqueror
[20:44] <DaSkreech> They just need to be able to find it
[20:45] <DaSkreech> Also for some reason post hardy there was no option to associate a directory with an app in Gnome
[20:45] <DaSkreech> I think that's solved now though
[20:46] <DaSkreech> right click on any directory -> properties -> open with -> new app
[21:35] <Myrtti> DaSkreech: "with great difficulty"
[21:35]  * DaSkreech laughs
[21:35] <DaSkreech> nice answer
[21:40] <Myrtti> Congrats to a new daddy :-)
[21:40]  * Myrtti huggles Tm_M 
[21:40] <Tm_M> lech
[21:40]  * ikonia nods to Tm_M 
[21:40] <ikonia> congratulations
[21:40] <Tm_M> my little princess
[21:41] <ikonia> prettyest nun in the convent
[21:41] <Tm_M> danke
[21:43] <DaSkreech> Grats!!
[21:44] <Tm_M> she still has her own room though, plastic this time
[21:49] <Gary> Tm_M: you are a new daddy?
[21:50] <Tm_M> anyway, have to sleep now, I am happy <3
[21:50] <Tm_M> yes
[21:50] <Gary> Tm_M: woooot *congrats*
[21:50] <Tm_M> but really sleep
[21:50] <Gary> night
[21:50]  * Myrtti tucks Tm_M in bed
[21:51] <Gary> awwww
[22:24] <ikonia> sigh fryguy again debating "su" and "sudo -i" in pm
[22:24] <ikonia> always a "disussion" with him
[22:26] <PriceChild> If you don't want to talk to him, don't. You'll only come off annoyed to him. Pass him to someone else if you have to.
[22:27] <ikonia> I can't be bothered with him
[22:28] <jrib> Sergiu: hi, how can we help you?
[22:29] <Pici> He had a ban in the BT from #u+1
[22:29] <LjL> and #ubuntu for that matter
[22:30] <Pici> I didn't see that one
[22:30] <LjL> removed now
[22:30] <Pici> Or rather, bansearch didnt.
[22:32] <ikonia> I'm out for th e night
[22:32]  * ikonia is tired of being pm'd by fryguy with lectures
[22:32] <LjL> meh just don't reply
[22:32] <ikonia> can't be bothered anymore
[22:32] <ikonia> he uses bsd so knows better 
[22:33] <ikonia> every 2 seconds pm with another "you should read the man page on blah, it verify's the sync rate of the flux capacitor, so therefore in a court of law, I would be deemed right"
[22:33] <ikonia> rather than just helping the user - he has to be technically right
[22:34] <ikonia> can't be bothered, going to bed
[22:34] <ikonia> I suggest someone keep an eye on him for futher great sudo su - advice - he's right you know ! its safe
[22:34] <LjL> you don't have to have an excuse to go to bed...
[22:34] <LjL> anyway, sudo su *is* safe. it's just ugly
[22:34] <ikonia> LjL: I disagree
[22:35] <ikonia> same way I disagree about sudo -i for someone who has no idea
[22:35] <ikonia> sudo provides a layer of protection
[22:35] <ikonia> ughhh now you've got me going
[22:35] <ikonia> bed
[22:35] <ikonia> night
[22:35] <LjL> oh of course, i was comparing to sudo -i
[22:40] <Pici> Hm..  does DKMS solve the issue with restricted modules not being available for the -server kernel?
[22:42] <Pici> I knew that was coming
[22:43] <LjL> Pici: me too, but i didn't stop it since it doesn't even really kill anyone anymore
[23:02] <Pici> ikonia: thanks
[23:02] <ikonia> can't sleep
[23:02] <ikonia> no problem
[23:05] <ikonia> Pici: didn't want the ban lifted - he didn't want to mix with spoonfeeders and noobs
[23:05] <ikonia> just fyi
[23:05] <ikonia> I'll update bt
[23:05] <ikonia> @btlogin
[23:05] <ikonia> ooh he's back as pici_spoonfeed
[23:06] <Pici> ikonia: Where?
[23:06] <ikonia> pm
[23:06] <ikonia> 23:05 -!- jaiFai is now known as Pici_Spoonfeed_P
[23:06] <ikonia> 23:05 <Pici_Spoonfeed_P> ;)
[23:06] <ikonia> 23:06 <ikonia> i don't find that funny
[23:06] <ikonia> I'll end that conversation there then and let the ban stand for a while
[23:07] <ikonia> he's back as his normal nick now
[23:34]  * Pici rolls his eyes
[23:37] <DaSkreech> Strike!
[23:38] <Myrtti> hmmmm
[23:39] <Pici> DaSkreech: Can we help you with anything else today?