[00:10] <R1cochet> !bluetooth
[00:12] <outlaw686> Hey, I am having problems setting up wireless, I had this card working before I formatted my computer and upgraded to 8.10. the wireless utility did now work before either. I tried going into the console and typed "sudo iwconfig wlan0 essid<myessid> key <my128bitkey>. It seemed to associate with the access point as I was able to get signal strength and link quality to show.
[00:12] <outlaw686> but when I go into if config the interface doesnt show
[00:12] <outlaw686> ifconfig*
[00:14] <Odd-rationale> outlaw686: did you do "sudo ifconfig wlan0 up" ?
[00:15] <outlaw686> yea i tried that the card came up and showed in ifconfig, but I only got an inet 6 address when I tried to ping my router I got connection cannot be established
[00:15] <outlaw686> when i reset the computer it dissapeared
[00:18] <outlaw686> it says the link encap is ethernet could that have anything to do with it?
[00:19] <outlaw686> and is the hardware address the same thing as the MAC or is it completly different?
[00:20] <Odd-rationale> yes, hardware address is MAC address..
[00:20] <outlaw686> yea the address is wrong too...
[00:21] <outlaw686> there no ethernet adaptor on this machine, there is a dialup adaptor
[00:22] <outlaw686> I'm sure I never changed the mac address and that I have the address in my router but I'm gonna turn of MAC filtering and see what happens
[00:25] <R1cochet> trying to connect BT keyboard and mouse in 8.10 but i keep getting: sudo: hidd: command not found
[00:37] <R1coch3t> !bluetooth
[00:38] <outlaw6860> !wireless
[00:52] <MUTU> Hi, I downloaded the ISO file of xubuntu and need to install it on a laptop that has no CD-ROM. I need to get the files onto a USB pen and make it bootable. Is there an easy way to do this?
[00:53] <zoredache> !install
[00:54] <MUTU> cheers for the pointers
[01:02] <MUTU> UNetbootin rules :D it does all the work for me :D
[01:02] <MUTU> thanks zoredache
[01:03] <MUTU> next time i'll try to look for things the easier way first :D
[01:43] <exmachina> wtf's the name of the terminal in xubuntu?
[01:52] <karen> anyone around that can help?
[02:13] <atarinox> Hi can anyone recommend an alternative to Rhythmbox for an audio player? I like how the media library is setup by default, but that's about where my affection for RB ends.
[02:33] <buzz__> atarinox, amarok? (kde though i know)
[02:40] <atarinox> buzz__, amarok is kde only?
[02:40] <buzz__> well. no. you can run it on xubuntu sure
[05:06] <R1cochet> !openoffice
[05:09] <martin_> does anyone know how to browse networked drive graphically?
[05:18] <buzz__> well, you can mount it with smbmount and then browse from thunar.. or install some gnome stuff like gnome-commander
[05:18] <buzz__> of course, im assuming you mean windows networking. nfs you can mount with nfs-client
[05:29] <martin_> okay thanks!
[05:37] <R1cochet> how do i install a 32bit proggy in 64amd?
[05:39] <martin_> thanks buzz, smbmount worked great! Cheers!
[06:57] <jbbarnes> Running Xubuntu 8.10. Can someone tell me how to install Ooo 3.0? apt-get only offers 2.4, Thanks.
[06:58] <privet_> jbbarnes: you need add a 3rd party source for that
[06:58] <privet_> http://ppa.launchpad.net/openoffice-pkgs/ubuntu
[07:00] <privet_> jbbarnes: add this line to your /etc/apt/sources.list "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/openoffice-pkgs/ubuntu intrepid main"
[07:00] <privet_> just without the quotes
[07:02] <jbbarnes> Great. I will try that. Thanks.
[07:24] <L_ryuzaki> hey
[07:24] <L_ryuzaki> is there any way to increase the speed of xubuntu?
[07:24] <Odd-rationale> L_ryuzaki: upgrade hardware... :P
[07:25] <L_ryuzaki> freezes when i try to do update manager T.T
[07:25] <L_ryuzaki> oh
[07:25] <L_ryuzaki> nv
[07:25] <L_ryuzaki> nvm*
[07:25] <L_ryuzaki> misread big time
[07:25] <L_ryuzaki> I have like No money until my birthday
[07:26] <L_ryuzaki> which i'm spending it on games
[07:26] <Odd-rationale> L_ryuzaki: well the best way around that is to just use the terminal... sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[07:26] <Odd-rationale> apt-get is a lot faster than all the gui update-manager...
[07:26] <L_ryuzaki> well terminal like slows my comp(yeah my computer pretty much sucks)
[07:27] <L_ryuzaki> like right now if i try to go to another web page, i will need to restart my comp, and all i have running is chatzilla and youtube
[07:27] <Odd-rationale> L_ryuzaki: specs?
[07:27] <L_ryuzaki> unno how to get to em
[07:27] <Odd-rationale> L_ryuzaki: processor speed, ram, etc...
[07:27] <L_ryuzaki> i don't know how to see that
[07:28] <Odd-rationale> L_ryuzaki: uname -a
[07:28] <Odd-rationale> L_ryuzaki: and: free -m
[07:28] <jbbarnes> privet_ : Thanks. O00 3.0 installed. How could I have figured out what to add to my sources.list? I didn't even know where to look.
[07:31] <paul___> ok, so, i added aircrack with the package manager, but im not sure where to go to run it, or the command in terminal, any suggestions? its not in any list under Applications
[07:33] <Odd-rationale> paul___: it is best to find a tutorial online on how to use aircrack...
[07:33] <Odd-rationale> paul___: also see the manpage: man aircrack-ng
[07:34] <paul___> aye, ok
[07:34] <Odd-rationale> paul___: and, be responsible.
[07:34] <paul___> dont worry, i do, thank you
[07:42] <L_ryuzaki_> hi
[07:42] <L_ryuzaki> when i did the uname -a i copied and now it won't let me paste it
[07:44] <Odd-rationale> L_ryuzaki: try highlighting, then middle clicking?
[07:44] <L_ryuzaki> 2.6.24-19-generic #1 SMP Wed Aug 20 22:56:21 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
[07:44] <L_ryuzaki> there we go
[07:45] <Odd-rationale> and what about free -m ?
[07:46] <L_ryuzaki> eh can't manage to get terminal to do much, it slows my computer to much
[07:47] <L_ryuzaki> I think I am just going to format my XO
[07:47] <L_ryuzaki> XP*
[07:47] <L_ryuzaki> My comp can't handle xubuntu that well
[07:49] <L_ryuzaki> thanks for helping
[07:49] <L_ryuzaki> Sorry i can't do much on my slow computer
[07:50] <Odd-rationale> k. np
[08:21] <privet_> what application do I use to manage my 3G PCMCIA card?
[08:21] <privet_> this is on 8.10
[10:27] <MUTU> Good morning! I bet no one can help me this time :P
[10:28] <MUTU> last night i set up my new laptop with xubuntu and i managed to connect to the wireless network
[10:28] <MUTU> this morning it refuses to conenct
[10:28] <MUTU> it keeps popping up the window to input the password, with the password already filled in
[10:29] <MUTU> could it be that the laptop became conscious that i hate laptops?
[10:30] <yeryry> heh.. you got further than me.. I "upgraded" to 8.10 and now have no wifi at all and no working network config program..
[10:30] <MUTU> mmm
[10:33] <MUTU> thanks for the solidarety
[10:33] <MUTU> lol
[10:39] <abec> hi all, i've have upgraded from xubunt 8.04 to 8.10 but now it didin't work. it load all well until it arrive to start X. have anyone the same prolem?
[10:40] <yeryry> abec: What happens?
[10:40] <abec> blak screen
[10:41] <yeryry> nvidia?
[10:41] <abec> and the cpu stops woking, i cant switch to other consoles
[10:41] <abec> no
[10:42] <yeryry> oh, then different to what I had at one point..
[10:43] <abec> the only thing that i an suppose is that when during the installation, asked me if i want to change the menu.lst file i choosed to mantain the old configuration
[10:44] <abec> can it be?
[10:44] <yeryry> I would hope something like that wouldn't make it die completely.. but I have no idea really heh
[10:44] <abec> what is your problem with nvidia?
[10:45] <yeryry> I had black screen, and other times warnings about drivers and only getting low resolution, but I could still switch to other consoles ok
[10:46] <yeryry> I fixed it eventually by removing a second Device entry from xorg.conf..
[10:52] <abec> where is the configuration file for X?
[10:53] <yeryry> /etc/X11
[10:53] <abec> umh....it isn't there in my system
[10:54] <abec> whereis command give me the same answer
[11:08] <abec> how can i switch to the text line mode boot during the sturtup?
[11:17] <yeryry> ok, reinstalling networkmanager didn't fix it..
[11:17] <yeryry> no idea.. I guess there's a key you press/hold down during boot to get that.. dunno what though
[11:18] <LeAstrale> yeryry, Have you tried using Wicd instead of NM ?
[11:18] <LeAstrale> abec, You should be able to push a key to entet the grub menu at some point during boot and then select fallback
[11:19] <yeryry> no.. should I?
[11:19] <LeAstrale> yeryry, In some cases it works out alot better than nm
[11:19] <LeAstrale> I think you should try it :)
[11:20] <yeryry> umm.. whats the package name?
[11:20] <LeAstrale> wicd afaik
[11:20] <abec> umh....sorry leAstrale but what do you mean with "select fallback"?
[11:20] <LeAstrale> abec, I can't remember the exact name ubuntu uses for it. Its "fallback" on arch
[11:21] <LeAstrale> abec, It should be the 2. option in the grub menu'
[11:21] <LeAstrale> normally
[11:21] <LeAstrale> yeryry, http://wicd.sourceforge.net/
[11:21] <LeAstrale> yeryry, Im just gonna try to install it myself. Might drop from here. so brb
[11:22] <yeryry> oh its not a ubuntu-provided thing?
[11:23] <LeAstrale> yeryry, not exactly. they have their own repo for it
[11:23] <yeryry> ah
[11:23] <LeAstrale> http://wicd.sourceforge.net/download.php
[11:23] <LeAstrale> There should be installation instructions :)
[11:24] <yeryry> well I can configure stuff myself from command line.. its just 8.04 had a working network config gui, so its a bit annoying that 8.10 doesn't for me..
[11:24] <LeAstrale> yeryry, Times change.. 8.04 --> 8.10 my Netgear wg111v3 USB wifi dongle worked out of the box :)
[11:24] <LeAstrale> It didn't in 8.04
[11:25] <yeryry> if I manage to get madwifi to install, I might have a look at wicd..
[11:26] <LeAstrale> yeryry, I have no experience with madwifi. but wicd has proved its worth to me on Kubuntu quite some times
[11:26] <yeryry> I think I'll try it then
[11:26] <yeryry> not only my wifi but my wired network stopped working right after I upgraded.. so..
[11:27] <LeAstrale> :O That sucks
[11:27] <LeAstrale> I've never had issues with ethernet except for on the EEE box..
[11:28] <LeAstrale> abec, You found the option I was talking about?
[11:28] <abec> no
[11:28] <yeryry> it doesn't retain settings between reboots, so I have to do commands each time when I start.. but maybe thats just networkmanager being dumb..
[11:29] <yeryry> abec: right right at the start of the boot, it'll say something about grub.. press whatever it says then..
[11:29] <abec> ok
[11:29] <abec> that is easy
[11:30] <abec> but i haven't understood where i can find thath opption
[11:30] <LeAstrale> yeryry, Have you added you WPA/WEP key to the keychain?
[11:30] <LeAstrale> abec, You have 4-5 seconds at boot where you can push any button to enter the grub boot menu
[11:30] <abec> in the grub i can only select to start the system on normal way or in rescue mode, and the resue mode didn'help me
[11:30]  * yeryry was talking about wired then.. haven't got anywhere with wifi yet
[11:31] <LeAstrale> From within there you can choose rescue mode
[11:31] <LeAstrale> rescue mode = cli only logged in as root
[11:31] <abec> ok i know
[11:31] <abec> and i tried it before coming in this channel but it diden't help me
[11:32] <abec> i tried to fix automatically evrithing that it proposed to me, bu nothing
[11:33] <LeAstrale> Now Im on wicd
[11:33] <LeAstrale> abec, Wasn't that what you we're searrching for? :S
[11:35] <abec> no, i what that whn the system is booting i can read everything it do, i don't want to see the banner with xubuntu logo
[11:36] <abec> (sorry form my bad english:P)
[11:36] <LeAstrale> enter rescue mode and reconfigure xorg-server
[11:36] <LeAstrale> Let me just look up the commands
[11:37] <LeAstrale> Your system boots fine you just don't want the Xubuntu splash?
[11:37] <LeAstrale> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg is the command for reconfiguring resolutions and so on :)
[11:38] <abec> no, my system boot fine until it start x, i suppose, becouse before entering in graphical desktop i have only a black screen and i can't do anythin
[11:38] <abec> i can't switch to the ttys
[11:39] <abec> or reboot the system with the keyboard
[11:39] <abec> this after i have upgraded from 8.04 to 8.10
[11:40] <yeryry> doh.. I should have looked.. I've got intel wifi card installed, not atheros.. no wonder madwifi won't work lol.. but hrm I don't remember doing that..
[11:40] <yeryry> but why did it work ok in 8.04 but not 8.10.. hmm
[11:40] <abec> the only supposition is that thi problem comes becouse i answered that i want to mantain the old menu,lst when the upgrading progrma asked me
[11:42] <abec> can it be that there is something new in the menu,lst?
[11:43] <LeAstrale> yeryry, Good one there ;)
[11:43] <LeAstrale> Intel works OOTB for me with 4965 on a Dell latitude D630 using Intrepid RC
[11:43] <LeAstrale> abec, Try reconfiguring the xserver liek i proposed. I gotta move location
[11:43] <LeAstrale> be back in 20 mins or so
[11:44] <LeAstrale> adios for now
[11:45] <abec> ok
[11:45] <abec> thanks
[11:52] <martin_> does anyone know if there is a way I can drag menu items to the desktop?
[11:59] <mutu310> i'm on the verge of uninstalling xubuntu. damn bugs :@
[11:59] <martin_> what do you find is buggy mutu310?
[12:00] <mutu310> yesterday i set it up
[12:00] <mutu310> set up wifi
[12:00] <mutu310> to connect, you have to click connect and the password pops up
[12:00] <mutu310> and around 5th time it worked
[12:00] <mutu310> today it just won't connect
[12:00] <mutu310> been trying for hours
[12:00] <mutu310> moreover it keeps forgetting settings
[12:00] <martin_> and it doesn't remember your password?
[12:00] <mutu310> and i have to reinput them
[12:01] <mutu310> no i put it in, correctly, and it pops up again and re-asks m
[12:01] <yeryry> mutu310: maybe you should try that wicd tha LeAstrale recommended..
[12:01] <mutu310> i set manual network ip settings on my wired connection and it keeps forgetting them each time
[12:01] <martin_> I found that debian did that, very annoying! I wish I could help
[12:01] <mutu310> and the worst thing is this
[12:01] <mutu310> most of the times i'm reinputting the wifi details
[12:02] <mutu310> i put in everything and the pass etc
[12:02] <mutu310> then i try to connect to it
[12:02] <mutu310> and the window shows me the basic details
[12:02] <mutu310> but the password field is blank
[12:02] <mutu310> (so it would have forgotten it)
[12:02] <mutu310> and everything is greyed out
[12:02] <mutu310> except for the cancel button
[12:03] <mutu310> yeryry: i'll try, if i can manage to get it to connect wired at least
[12:03] <martin_> well xfce4 on ubuntu uses gnomes network manager, perhaps it has something to do with gnome keyring thingy!
[12:04] <mutu310> perhaps it would be a good idea to "upgrade" to Ubuntu?
[12:04] <mutu310> could it be less buggy perhaps?
[12:04] <martin_> does it show in Passwords and Encrypted key under accessories?
[12:04] <yeryry> great.. now apt-get autoremove removed my running kernel image..
[12:06] <martin_> I find gnome ubuntu's know too annoying and it install stuff I don't need, and xfce4 i find okay, except icon management
[12:06] <martin_> yeryry have you just installed updates?
[12:09] <yeryry> no
[12:10] <martin_> and apt auto-removed running kernel? Strange! I think it might have just said it did
[12:10] <yeryry> I think it did.. it was saying stuff about grub and vmlinux
[12:10] <martin_> I say this because, on a newly installed xubuntu system, I did updates, it said there were kernel updates, but it was the exact same kernel as i'm running
[12:10] <yeryry> but I reinstalled it to make sure
[12:12] <martin_> unless you specifically installed a different kernel, when you clean up apt etc it should have any bad effects on your system, I don't think!
[12:13] <martin_> I myself would have left it alone and not reinstalled it and rebooted to see what happens
[12:13] <yeryry> The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:
[12:13] <yeryry>   fakeroot libhyphen0 linux-image-2.6.27-7-generic dkms libwps-0.1-1
[12:13] <yeryry> heh..
[12:13] <martin_> what does uname -a give you?
[12:14] <yeryry> that version
[12:14] <martin_> yeah I had the same thing with kernel updates, it appentely installed a new kernel, the same one I already running, strange, it never effected anything mind
[12:16] <yeryry> aha, my friend google found my wifi answer
[12:16] <yeryry> needed to install linux-firmware package..
[12:17] <martin_> and it worked?
[12:17] <martin_> stores passwords etc?
[12:17] <yeryry> heh haven't tried that yet
[12:18] <yeryry> but eth1 showing now which is better than before
[12:19] <martin_> congrats
[12:26] <yeryry> ok.. uninstalling that useless networkmanager and going to try wicd
[12:26] <mutu310> yeryry: I installed wicd now as you told me, but before i even use it... is it possible to have it on the panel at the top?
[12:26] <mutu310> cos if i right click and do "add", i don't see it listed
[12:26] <yeryry> heh no idea, I've not used it yet..
[12:26] <yeryry> it was LeAstrale who was recommending it, and he vanished..
[12:27] <mutu310> ah
[12:41] <mutu310> wicd doesn't work for me
[12:42] <yeryry3> hm.. installed wicd.. it detects my interfaces and finds wifi networks.. better than networkmanager..
[12:42] <yeryry3> but when I try to connect wifi, it keeps trying but nothing happens, and wired network disconnects..
[12:43] <mutu310> i'm gonna try ubuntu
[12:45] <yeryry3> mutu310: after rebooting after installing wicd I did get an icon for it in system try
[12:45] <yeryry3> tray..
[12:45] <mutu310> oh
[12:45] <mutu310> let me try a reboot
[12:45] <mutu310> but for me
[12:45] <mutu310> i put in the SSID
[12:46] <mutu310> and it just doesn't see the wireless network at all
[12:46] <yeryry3> does it show any other networks?
[12:46] <mutu310> no
[12:46] <yeryry3> hm
[12:46] <mutu310> the other was seeing mine and my neighbour's
[12:46] <mutu310> this sees nothing at all
[12:46] <martin_> mutu have you tried wifi radar?
[12:47] <yeryry3> it uninstalled wifi radar for me when I installed wicd..
[12:47] <mutu310> yeah me too
[12:47] <mutu310> it uninstalled 3 or 4 things which i don't remember what they were
[12:47] <mutu310> so i basically need to format again
[12:48] <wormsxulla> uh?
[12:48] <wormsxulla> why format?
[12:49] <wormsxulla> if you uninstall wicd, the network manager will be back
[12:49] <mutu310> i will try installing ubuntu maybe all the problems i have will go away
[12:49] <wormsxulla> does any of the network managers see networks?
[12:50] <mutu310> the default one did
[12:50] <mutu310> yesterday it was working fine and connecting even after reboots
[12:50] <wormsxulla> but you can't connect?
[12:50] <mutu310> then i go to sleep
[12:50] <mutu310> wake up
[12:50] <martin_> if you have network manager installed it will be same as ubuntu, xubuntu is ubuntu with xfce4,
[12:50] <mutu310> and it refuses to connect
[12:50] <martin_> and xubuntu uses ubuntu's network manager
[12:51] <mutu310> it keeps telling me no wireless networks found
[12:51] <martin_> what wifi card do you have?
[12:51] <mutu310> i'm using WPA Personal
[12:51] <mutu310> don't know, i'm using a laptop
[12:51] <wormsxulla> i had the same problems, and in fact it looks like the wifi card is *very* sensitive to the antenna position
[12:52] <yeryry> lol.. weird
[12:52] <yeryry> it shows my network in the list..
[12:52] <martin_> does lspci -nn and paste the results
[12:52] <yeryry> when I try to connect, it seems to set the right ssid and key, but doesn't associate
[12:52] <mutu310> i went downstairs in the same room
[12:52] <yeryry> and wired network stops....
[12:52] <yeryry> seems it kills my whole lan..
[12:53] <mutu310> i'm on my PC now martin_, and you wouldn't like it if i could paste either
[12:53] <mutu310> cos there's a whole page
[12:53] <wormsxulla> pastebin.com !
[12:54] <mutu310> ah wait i found the wifi one
[12:54] <yeryry> paste.ubuntu.com
[12:54] <wormsxulla> yeryry: ;p
[12:55] <mutu310> Ethernet controller [0200]: Atheros Communications Inc. Atheros AR5001X+ Wireless Network Adapter [168c:0013] (rev 01)
[12:55] <martin_> thanks
[12:55] <martin_> wait a sec
[12:57] <martin_> what xubuntu are you using?
[12:57] <mutu310> 8.10
[12:57] <martin_> okay
[13:00] <martin_> I can seem to find any relevent information on the net, but I think that card show natively been supported by the ath5k driver that comes with ubuntu
[13:00] <martin_> 8relevant
[13:00] <yeryry> you need to install backports whatever for that
[13:00] <yeryry> (ath5k)
[13:01] <martin_> did atheros open source a driver that supported those cards?
[13:01] <martin_> do this lsmod | grep ath
[13:03] <mutu310> you gonna laugh at me
[13:04] <mutu310> how do i copy and paste from terminal from a laptop?
[13:04] <mutu310> i have no wheel mouse to click
[13:04] <mutu310> ah both at once lol
[13:04] <martin_> highlight the the output, edit > copy
[13:05] <martin_> you have a working trackpad right?
[13:06] <mutu> http://paste.ubuntu.com/72345/
[13:06] <yeryry> not my day... now my other windows box is refusing to boot -.-
[13:06] <mutu310> argh
[13:09] <martin_> did you install madwifi drivers?
[13:09] <mutu> no
[13:09] <mutu> sudo apt-get install madwifi?
[13:10] <martin_> no,
[13:10] <yeryry> that ath_pci is madwifi..
[13:10] <martin_> i'll explain in a sex
[13:10] <martin_> *sec
[13:11] <mutu310> how can i get rid of wicd and get everything back as it was pls? :P
[13:11] <mutu310> cos _at least_ before it was detecting networks
[13:11] <yeryry> heh.. vista uses grub.. odd
[13:11] <wormsxulla> uninstall it via synaptic?
[13:12] <martin_> apt-get remove wicd then apt-get install network-manager
[13:14] <mutu310> wicd removed about 3-4 packages tho not just network-manager
[13:16] <mutu310> installed wifi-radar now
[13:17] <martin_> actually I don't think wifi radar works with WPA, well it didn't when I tried it on debian
[13:17] <martin_> i don't know if ubuntu has an updated version or not
[13:20] <mutu310> i can't add the network manager to the panel
[13:20] <mutu310> :(
[13:21] <yeryry> it should be in the system tray
[13:21] <yeryry> for me, it wasn't really, it was a 2-pixel wide or so grey part I could click on in the middle of the tray box....
[13:23] <martin_> ummm
[13:23] <martin_> reboot
[13:23] <mutu310> martin_: bingo *shy*
[13:23] <martin_> lol
[13:26] <mutu310> lemme go near wifi modem, brb
[13:30] <floating> hmm installed debian, but this somehow feels laggy or non-responsive compared to xubuntu
[13:30] <floating> gnome or something
[13:33] <mutu310> i give up with this. gonna format and put in ubuntu, and if that doesn't work either, i will throw in debian
[13:33] <martin_> gnome is more sluggy, but I find gnome on debian faster than ubuntu
[13:34] <mutu310> so you think i should just install debian, martin_?
[13:35] <martin_> that depend, if you go for stable, it is very old
[13:35] <martin_> wifi probably wouldn't work
[13:35] <mutu310> ah k
[13:35] <martin_> I think you should compile madwifi drivers
[13:38] <martin_> I had problems with another distro once, wifi card was seen but wouldn't work, I used madwifi drivers and they seems very stable and never disconnected or anything
[13:38] <mutu310> only problem is i don't know what that means and i don't have the time to do it. if this fails i will probably install XP
[13:38] <mutu310> i'm a newbie on linux
[13:38] <martin_> this is what I did, I have atheros wifi card
[13:39] <mutu310> what I hate about Linux is that when you have a problem, it takes such a long time to fix it unless you're experienced
[13:40] <martin_> as I don't have a nvidia or amd graphics card, I removed linux-restricted-drivers, apt-got build-essential - downloaded and did make, sudo make install the madwifi drivers
[13:40] <mutu310> i have ati
[13:40] <mutu310> onboard ati radeon
[13:41] <martin_> I probably wouldn't remove restricted modules then, but having said, how did you install the ati card?
[13:41] <PsiTrax> can anyone help me to create shares? the buttons in the "Shard Folders" are disabled?
[13:41] <mutu310> it's onboard and it got detected automatically
[13:41] <mutu310> didn't install any drivers at all
[13:41] <martin_> psitrax click unlock button
[13:42] <PsiTrax> its also disabled
[13:42] <martin_> do you not compiz etc?
[13:43] <martin_> did you follow the install smb etc before hand? PsiTrax?
[13:43] <PsiTrax> he asks me to install samba and did it
[13:44] <PsiTrax> i dont touched any confg file
[13:44] <martin_> umm, logout and then back in again
[13:44] <PsiTrax> i set a smb passwort for my user with smbpasswd
[13:45]  * mutu310 gonna format and put in ubuntu
[13:45] <martin_> okay, good luck mutu
[13:46] <mutu310> UNetbootin is a star :)
[13:46] <martin_> yep
[13:46] <mutu310> and thank God I found it, because this laptop does not have a CD-ROM
[13:46] <martin_> PsiTrax, do you just want to connect to a windows share?
[13:46] <mutu310> go figure that... stupid HP :)
[13:46] <PsiTrax> no i want to share some folders
[13:46] <PsiTrax> i currently rebooting the machin
[13:48] <PsiTrax> button still locked
[13:50] <PsiTrax> uh man, im in an vnc-session
[13:50] <PsiTrax> direct on the pc it works
[13:50] <yeryry> heh..
[13:50] <martin_> try this sudo  shares-admin
[13:51]  * yeryry gave up on gui network config.. good old /etc/network/interfaces worked much better
[13:52] <PsiTrax> i think ill look to my vnc installation again
[13:52] <PsiTrax> so long, thanks a log guys
[13:53] <mutu310> martin_: with the Live 'CD', I'm trying to set up the wifi, but it tells me "choose password for default keyring"... do i put in anything or the wifi key?
[13:53] <martin_> anything
[13:53] <martin_> remember it though
[13:57] <martin_> mutu310 by default I have never got ubuntu to work with my atheros card which is a AR242x, it says it recognises it in hardware drivers and is in use, but never works I always have to install madwifi
[13:58] <mutu310> woohoo i managed
[13:58] <mutu310> trial and error but it worked
[13:58] <mutu310> guess it's better than nothing
[13:59] <martin_> congratulations
[14:00] <mutu310> install now, bitch! :D
[14:00] <martin_> mutu, how come you tried xubuntu first?
[14:00] <mutu310> because it's more lightweight
[14:01] <martin_> do you have an oldish laptop then?
[14:01] <mutu310> 1.8GHz, 993MB of available RAM
[14:02] <mutu310> just one last noobish question martin_...
[14:02] <mutu310> since i have xubuntu already, i want to use the whole hard disk
[14:03] <martin_> ubuntu should be fine! I have a relatively new laptop, but I want everything to be speedy
[14:03] <mutu310> do i use guided - use entire disk?
[14:03] <mutu310> or does that not create a swap drive?
[14:03] <martin_> if you only want xubuntu installed and nothing else
[14:03] <mutu310> ubuntu
[14:03] <mutu310> and nothing else
[14:04] <martin_> sorry! yeah, swap will be automatically created
[14:04] <mutu310> ah ok so use entire disk it is then
[14:04] <mutu310> ubuntu looks so much nicer to xubuntu :)
[14:04] <martin_> i think the opposite
[14:04] <mutu310> everyone with his own opinion
[14:05] <martin_> yep
[14:05] <mutu310> is there a way that you can sudo apt-get without having to put in the password?
[14:06] <martin_> no, unless you su to root
[14:06] <martin_> or sign in as root, not recommend though
[14:07] <martin_> su root, enter password, everything from then on, you can do without entering password, but remember after you finish exit back
[14:07] <gabkdlly> can't one add apt-get to the sudoers file?
[14:07] <martin_> i guess so
[14:07] <martin_> i don't know
[14:07] <mutu310> i feel like doing to su root on startup >:)
[14:07] <martin_> what user is associated with apt-get?
[14:08] <martin_> is apt-get associated with?
[14:08] <mutu310> dunno i created a login mutu
[14:08] <mutu310> with a password
[14:08] <mutu310> and leaving everything default
[14:09] <martin_> sounds good to me
[14:09] <martin_> everything should be fine!
[14:09] <gabkdlly> %admin ALL= NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/apt-get
[14:09] <gabkdlly> also, man visudo
[14:09] <martin_> thanks for the tip
[14:10] <mutu310> mmm how would that be in newbie language?
[14:10] <martin_> shouldn't there be brackets somewhere in that line?
[14:10] <mutu310> please :P
[14:10] <martin_> edit /etc/sudoers file as root
[14:10] <gabkdlly> as root, run visudo
[14:11] <gabkdlly> sudo visudo
[14:11] <gabkdlly> then add the line %admin All... from  above
[14:11] <martin_> is that the correct layout gabkdlly?
[14:12] <martin_> no brackets?
[14:12]  * vidd would highly recommend against it though
[14:12] <mutu310> how do i do things "as root"? :S i'd be logged in as mutu but it doesn't allow me to set a root password
[14:12] <martin_> sudo execute things as root
[14:12] <vidd> mutu310, to "run as root" type "sudo" befor the command
[14:12] <mutu310> ah cheers
[14:13] <martin_> i think is stands for Super User DO?
[14:13] <martin_> is that correct?
[14:13] <vidd> martin_, that is what i have heard as well....and "su"="Switch User"
[14:14] <martin_> either or I guess
[14:14] <gabkdlly> martin_: your needs for brackets or braces depends on what you want to do.  My line allows any administrator to run apt-get without entering a password.
[14:14] <martin_> okay, thanks
[14:15] <gabkdlly> of course, there are good reasons for protecting such commands with a password
[14:15] <mutu310> SUDO stands for "super user do" according to Yahoo! answers
[14:15] <mutu310> yeah yeah security bla bla :P
[14:15] <martin_> thanks mutu
[14:15] <gabkdlly> :)
[14:15] <vidd> martin_, and if you want more users to have access to admin rights, you can edit /etc/shadow
[14:16] <martin_> oh okay, thanks
[14:16] <gabkdlly> there is also a gui for giving users admin rights
[14:16] <mutu310> thing is, if i installed the OS that the vast majority of people would have installed, it would still have less security than this with the password disabled :)
[14:16] <vidd> wait...
[14:16] <vidd> shadow is the wrong file....that is for fixing password issues
[14:17] <martin_> it looked rather complicated with all those numbers,
[14:17] <vidd> the correct file is /etc/group
[14:17] <martin_> thanks
[14:17] <gabkdlly> Applications -> System -> Users and Groups
[14:18] <vidd> gabkdlly, sure...if you dont want to understand how the system works
[14:18] <martin_> lol
[14:19] <vidd> mutu310, enabling apt-get without the password is ok...for the most part....but making it possible for all admin users to not have to enter passwords for any sudo command is just as dangerous as installing the operating system from that Redmond company
[14:19] <vidd> acually...its MORE dangerous....
[14:20] <martin_> if your not a programmer, or sys admin, does it matter if you know how the system works? I want and need to for both of the aforementioned circumstances, but I was just wondering?
[14:20] <mutu310> vidd: why is it more dangerous?
[14:20] <mutu310> only i will be the user
[14:20] <mutu310> it's my laptop
[14:21] <vidd> martin_, since you want to disable security features...its a good idea to know what your messing with so when you break it, you can fix it
[14:21] <vidd> mutu310, because it opens the door to root kits....
[14:21] <martin_> but for the average joe, does it really matter if there is gui tool to do such things?
[14:21] <vidd> and compromised linux boxes are usually the generals of bot-net armies
[14:22] <vidd> martin_, you are setting your system up in a manner that is NOT FOR THE AVERAGE JOE
[14:22] <martin_> vidd, if someone did get a root kit on a personal laptop, at what cost would it to be to reinstall ubuntu? is so quick and assuming you back up your data only takes afew minutes
[14:23] <vidd> so ...yeah...i should think its important for you to understand what your doing
[14:23] <martin_> vidd, not really! I use sudo when doing admin
[14:23] <martin_> work on my personal computer
[14:23] <vidd> martin_, and how long will it take you to realize that your laptop is commanding thousands of zombied windows machines?
[14:24] <martin_> okay, good point
[14:25] <martin_> how likely do you think that is going to happen, assuming you use your computer for web browsing, email etc and regularly do updates?
[14:25] <vidd> security is every user's responsibility
[14:26] <vidd> martin_, extremely likely.....
[14:26] <vidd> i recommend that you install a root kit hunter application (such as rkhunter) and run daily checks
[14:27] <martin_> what would one have to do on a linux box to likely become infected?
[14:27] <vidd> connect to the internet
[14:27] <vidd> with compromised security protocols
[14:28] <martin_> assuming a securtity hole was found on, how long before an update comes along and ubunut is nagging you update?
[14:29]  * vidd could easily post a banner ad on thousands of websites that was scripted to run a wget command and sudo install the mallicias code
[14:29] <vidd> you dont get prompted for the password...so you have no idea you got took
[14:30] <mutu310> how extremely likely?
[14:30] <martin_> yeah but adding apt-get to sudoers files isn't really going to up your whole system at risk is it?
[14:30] <vidd> mutu310, the more services your machine has available, and the longer it is connected to the internet, and how crippled the security is all add up
[14:31] <mutu310> no but it saves me time to put in a 12 character password once every 30 mins
[14:31] <martin_> i do understand your point, but linux is very secure, regularly updated, and for home users not running any services, there not much security risk
[14:34] <vidd> martin_, would you engage in unprotected procreative activities with a known aids carrier even if there was only a 1-in-100k chance of getting infected yourself?
[14:34] <vidd> =]
[14:34] <mutu310> depends on the girl
[14:34] <mutu310> lofl
[14:34] <martin_> umm, no!
[14:35] <vidd> martin_, exactly my point
[14:35] <mutu310> not even if she was angelina jolie?
[14:35] <martin_> I am myself, I see a computer as a tool
[14:35] <vidd> martin_, so do the bot-net collectors
[14:36] <vidd> and your machine is worth 100 M$ machines
[14:36] <martin_> rofl
[14:37] <vidd> martin_, all im saying is that since you are taking away a level of security....put another layer in
[14:37] <vidd> get a root kit hunter app
[14:37] <martin_> I did at your recommendation!
[14:38] <vidd> and know how your system works so that you can notice when a change happens
[14:38] <vidd> (at least, notice it sooner)
[14:38] <martin_> I have two warnings, for /usr/sbin/tcpd & /usr/sbin/unhide-linux26 for which it installed
[14:39]  * vidd gets off his soapbox and puts it back under the table
[14:39] <nikolam> HI! help.ubuntu.come is gone crazy
[14:39] <vidd> nikolam, whats wrong?
[14:39] <nikolam> I think that search don`t give search results
[14:40] <nikolam> I searched for eeepc in community contributed and all documentation
[14:40] <nikolam> Nothing shows
[14:40] <martin_> my result vidd
[14:40] <martin_> System checks summary
[14:40] <martin_> [14:40] <martin_> File properties checks...
[14:40] <martin_>     Files checked: 128
[14:40] <martin_>     Suspect files: 2
[14:40] <martin_> Rootkit checks...
[14:40] <nikolam> Also it looks weird.
[14:40] <martin_>     Rootkits checked : 109
[14:40] <martin_>     Possible rootkits: 0
[14:40] <martin_> Applications checks...
[14:40] <martin_>     Applications checked: 3
[14:40] <martin_>     Suspect applications: 0
[14:40] <mutu310> martin_: with ubuntu, the wifi is working just perfectly, first time, no probs at all :D
[14:40] <vidd> !patebin | martin_
[14:40] <vidd> !pastebin | martin_
[14:40] <martin_> well done mutu
[14:40] <nikolam> martin use pastebin.ubuntu.com
[14:41] <martin_> sorry!
[14:41] <vidd> martin_, so look at those 2 suspect files...and make sure they are kosher]
[14:41] <martin_> I apologise every!
[14:41] <martin_> will do, thanks
[14:42] <nikolam> vidd, You see too, that something is wrong with help.ubuntu.com ?
[14:42] <martin_> nikolam, it works!
[14:42] <vidd> nikolam, im looking
[14:42] <martin_> it goes to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingSecurityTools
[14:43] <vidd> nikolam, no issues for me either
[14:43] <martin_> sorry, no it doesn't, my mistake
[14:43] <martin_> but it works
[14:44] <nikolam> vidd try to Search for something on community page
[14:44] <nikolam> search don`t work
[14:44] <vidd> idk....
[14:45] <vidd> i went to help.ubuntu.com....typed into the search box, then clicked the communities link....works just fine
[14:45] <martin_> after search, it does display weird, but it works
[14:45] <stevenw> hello all i have a slight problem
[14:45] <nikolam> it does not work here
[14:45] <nikolam> vidd, What you were searching for?
[14:45] <martin_> it uses google search
[14:45] <vidd> nikolam, i searched for eeepc
[14:46] <nikolam> It stopped working after start using google search
[14:46] <stevenw> i am trying to re-install xubuntu on a low-spec system
[14:46] <nikolam> I am NOT allowing google java script.
[14:46] <stevenw> a gateway solo 450 to be exact
[14:46] <vidd> stevenw, what method are you using?
[14:46] <stevenw> everythig runs perfectly
[14:46] <vidd> nikolam, then NO WONDER it dont work
[14:46] <stevenw> but if i don't touch computer for about 15 minutes the screen blanks
[14:47] <stevenw> when i wiggle the mouse
[14:47] <stevenw> i get the cursor
[14:47] <nikolam> martin_, That is the problem, they started using google search for no reason..
[14:47] <stevenw> but no desktop :(
[14:47] <stevenw> i used alternate install 8.04
[14:47] <stevenw> went beautifully
[14:47] <vidd> stevenw, the hybernate function is messed up....
[14:47] <martin_> and is that a problem? nikolam?
[14:47] <stevenw> i know
[14:47] <nikolam> vidd, Is VERY stupid thing to use Google search inside OS documentation Page..
[14:48] <nikolam> martin_, YES that IS the problem
[14:48] <stevenw> i always disabe hibernate and suspend since about 7.10
[14:48] <nikolam> I don`t want to allow Gogle JS on my browser. Period.
[14:48] <vidd> stevenw, log into your power settings and turn off hybernation in both ac and battery
[14:48] <martin_> why? if it works?
[14:48] <martin_> looks rather crappy I admit
[14:49] <vidd> nikolam, dont gripe at me about it...gripe at the documentation team
[14:49] <stevenw> is that command line?
[14:49] <nikolam> martin_,  1. It is not proper way for privacy 2. It looks ugly with google 3. it depends on google
[14:49] <stevenw> in my power management in system tray
[14:49] <stevenw> i don't see anything
[14:49] <stevenw> i have all sliders set to DO NOTHING
[14:49] <nikolam> Ok, I will post very angry bug report about this s*
[14:49] <stevenw> not even blank screen
[14:49] <martin_> yeah, maybe, I never though about like that!
[14:50] <vidd> stevenw, do you have xscreensaver still installed?
[14:50] <martin_> good point, why are they using google, probably for better result!!??
[14:50] <stevenw> of course!
[14:50] <vidd> stevenw, 8.04 uses gnome-screensaver.....
[14:50] <stevenw> i removed it!
[14:50] <stevenw> i like x better
[14:50] <martin_> most people search for a problem on google anyway, but I understand your point entirely nikolam
[14:50] <vidd> pick the one you want, and uninstall the other...issue resolved
[14:51] <nikolam> martin_, I don`t want to argue with you about using google in internal Ubuntu documentation page. It is just WRONG thing to do.
[14:51] <nikolam> martin_, Thank you for understanding.
[14:52] <vidd> stevenw, in the Power Management Preferences tool....
[14:52] <vidd> there are 3 tabs
[14:52] <stevenw> okay
[14:52] <vidd> check both the AC tab and the Battery tab
[14:53] <stevenw> i don't see that
[14:53] <vidd> and if this does not fix you up, try(for troubleshhoting purposes) removing xscreensaver, and reinstalling gnome-screensaver
[14:54] <stevenw> it did
[14:54] <stevenw> screensaver and lock works
[14:54] <vidd> stevenw, the panel app is for gnome-screensaver...not xscreensaver
[14:54] <stevenw> okay i went to menu settings screensaver
[14:54] <stevenw> not menu settigs setings manager
[14:54] <hhh2> how can i upgrade firefox and epiphany in xubuntu?
[14:55] <vidd> its not the screen saver....its power managemenbt
[14:55] <stevenw> i just see
[14:55] <martin_> I would has a guess they're probably upgrading internal system and using google temporarily
[14:55] <HabsaK> <-- downloaded Ubuntu, ran too sluggishly now downloading Xubuntu, hopefully will run alot better
[14:55] <stevenw> display modes and advanced
[14:55] <vidd> hhh2, udate to what? sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install [app1] [app2] did not work?
[14:55] <stevenw> under advanced
[14:55] <jeromeg> hi
[14:56] <jeromeg> anyone running xubuntu on amd64 here ?
[14:57] <vidd> stevenw, this is your issue..... your system is going into hybernate, and its not coming out correctly
[14:57] <stevenw> where would it be?
[14:57] <stevenw> okay
[14:57] <stevenw> how can i completely disable that?
[14:57] <stevenw> i never touch the button
[14:57] <HabsaK> not yet jeromeg but in about 6 hours will be :-)
[14:57] <vidd> you don have the tools built into the basic install, so i dont know where else to look to help you fix this
[14:57] <stevenw> it's not listed in the power preferences
[14:57] <stevenw> okay thanks!
[14:57] <floating> anyone have any idea why xrandr doesnt recognize my television that is plugged in s-video on a fresh debian install, but on xubuntu it does ?
[14:58] <martin_> probably different kernel
[14:58] <vidd> floating, because debian default install does not configure the s-videa driver for your display card?
[14:58] <stevenw> anyone know how to get the full list of screensavers in xscreensavers?
[14:59] <floating> vidd i see. i guess i have to look into that
[14:59] <vidd> floating, =]
[15:00] <vidd> floating, it is most likely that the driver debian is using is not as up-to-speed as the xubuntu one
[15:00] <vidd> try using sid in debian
[15:00] <vidd> instead of etch
[15:01] <vidd> *buntu usually prefer to "borrow" from there as it is more "cutting-edge"
[15:01] <jeromeg> I'm the maintainer of xfce4-screenshooter and I need somebody to do a quick test build on amd64
[15:01] <jeromeg> before releasing 1.4.0
[15:02] <mutu310> how do you get ubuntu to remember network settings?
[15:02] <mutu310> i restarted and it lost everything
[15:02] <HabsaK> 7hrs 49mins remaining for me if the worst comes to the worst jeromeg
[15:02] <jeromeg> ok HabsaK, thanks
[15:05] <martin_> does anyone know of a program like ubuntu-tweak that works in xubunut?
[15:05] <vidd> mutu310, the live cd? or are you installed?
[15:05] <floating> vidd ok. want to help how to use that driver too ?
[15:05] <mutu310> installed
[15:05] <vidd> martin_, ubuntu-tweek doesnt work?
[15:06] <vidd> floating, that is definantly outside my pay-grade =]
[15:06] <martin_> no, it tests to see what gnome version is running and as gnome is installed it doesn't start
[15:06] <floating> ok :~)
[15:07] <vidd> xubuntu uses hal to auto-select drivers and configure them....debian still uses custom xorg.conf files (unless im mistaken)
[15:07] <vidd> floating, ^^^^
[15:07] <jeromeg> vidd: afaik, xorg detects drivers, not hal
[15:07] <vidd> jeromeg, you are mistaken
[15:08] <vidd> hal tell xorg what you have
[15:08] <floating> hmm i see
[15:08] <vidd> jeromeg, just install a cli system, add slim, openbox, and xorg.....
[15:08] <vidd> you will have no keyboard or mouse on reboot.....
[15:09] <vidd> add hal, and everything works
[15:10] <vidd> floating, is hal installed on your deb?
[15:10] <jeromeg> I thought that this was built in in the last xorg versions
[15:10] <vidd> jeromeg, listening to what hal says is built in
[15:11] <vidd> you dont have hal, you get generic stuff...and no keyboard or mouse
[15:11] <vidd> at least in *buntu 8.10
[15:11]  * vidd thinks we need to make xorg depend on hal
[15:12] <jeromeg> http://wiki.x.org/wiki/XInputHotplug tells you are right
[15:12] <jeromeg> tahnks for the info
[15:12] <vidd> jeromeg, test it out...you'll like it =]
[15:13] <jeromeg> don't have time to upgrade for now ;)
[15:13]  * vidd found this out by trial and error =]
[15:14] <jeromeg> in fact xorg does not depend on hal for this
[15:14] <jeromeg> it just uses dbus signals
[15:14] <jeromeg> and hal is one of the providers
[15:14] <jeromeg> but hal is not a hardcoded dep
[15:15] <vidd> jeromeg, *buntu uses hal, debian uses dbus
[15:15] <vidd> this is why xubuntu gets the guy's stuff working, and debian does not
[15:15] <jeromeg> dbus itself does not do anything
[15:16] <jeromeg> I think debian just did not build the hotplugging stuff
[15:16] <jeromeg> I think it's only available in experimental
[15:16] <vidd> hotplug....thats the app i was thinking =]
[15:16]  * vidd appologies
[15:16] <jeromeg> np :)
[15:17] <martin_> what's the easiest way to copy menu shoutcuts to the desktop, I know this sounds lame, but in gnome I could just drag them, and in xfce I can't
[15:17] <vidd> martin_, you want to drag'n'drop the app...
[15:17] <vidd> open your file manager....
[15:18] <martin_> well just a link really
[15:18] <vidd> most apps are found in /usr/shar
[15:20] <martin_> is their a directory for xfce4 that contains .desktop files that make up the menus?
[15:20] <jeromeg> /usr/share/applications/
[15:20] <jeromeg> most of them should be here
[15:20] <martin_> thanks, i'll try that
[15:22] <martin_> you happen to know wine generates links and where it puts them for the menu's do you?
[15:25] <vidd> martin_, look in your .wine folder
[15:28] <martin_> I have, when I install a windows app, wine automatically generates a menu item for it with the associated icon for the app, in gnome I could drag that from the menu onto the desktop or panel, but in xfce it cant drag them, somwhere it must generate a .desktop file, but I can't it!
[15:28] <mutu310> DAMN! my wifi stopped working again. it seems after you apply updates, it stops working :@
[15:29] <mutu310> before updates it worked on both xubuntu and ubuntu (including ubuntu livecd), and both xubuntu and ubuntu stopped woking after updates
[15:30] <mutu310> oh wait
[15:30] <mutu310> i'll eat my words
[15:30] <mutu310> somehow it managed now
[15:30] <mutu310> lol
[15:33] <martin_> mutu, so wifi is all good?
[15:33] <mutu310> maybe
[15:33] <mutu310> not working reliably
[15:33] <mutu310> or maybe i don't understand how it works
[15:34] <mutu310> i expect it that when i switch on the laptop, if it's in range, it connects, but it does not apparently.
[15:34] <martin_> it should do! my one does
[15:35] <mutu310> when i rebooted it even lost my wired network direct ip settings
[15:35] <mutu310> i don't know how to get it to save those
[15:36] <vidd> mutu310, i gave up on network manager in ubuntu....i replaced it with wicd
[15:37] <martin_> are you using dhcp?
[15:37] <mutu310> martin_: no
[15:37] <mutu310> vidd: wicd doesn't even recognise ANY network
[15:37] <mutu310> *detect
[15:38] <vidd> mutu310, you COULD add the info to your /etc/network/interfaces
[15:38] <mutu310> i did, but it still didn't find it
[15:38] <mutu310> it kept telling me no wireless networks are available
[15:38] <vidd> mutu310, then maybe the wireless network isnt available
[15:38] <mutu310> network manager at least connects, using trial and error
[15:38] <mutu310> and sees 2 networks, mine and my neighbour
[15:39] <vidd> mutu310, i dont use it...so i have no idea
[15:39] <vidd> but wicd never let me down
[15:39] <martin_> I would say your best bet is to use dhcp
[15:40] <killerbyte> the bars at the top of the screen and bottom are gone and wont come back for me
[15:40] <killerbyte> i rebooted a few times now
[15:40] <vidd> killerbyte, can you get a terminal open?
[15:40] <killerbyte> does anybody know how to get them back?
[15:40] <vidd> killerbyte, can you get a terminal open?
[15:41] <killerbyte> ill try create a launcher
[15:41] <killerbyte> thanks vidd
[15:41] <martin_> killerbyte, try this alt+f2 - then gnome-terminal
[15:41] <martin_> then type gnome-panel, i think
[15:41] <vidd> xfce4-panel
[15:41] <martin_> did you save your session after killing them?
[15:41] <killerbyte> ok thank you
[15:41] <vidd> gnome-panel is for ubuntu
[15:42] <killerbyte> i dont know if theyre saved
[15:42] <martin_> sorry i meant xfce4-panel
[15:42] <killerbyte> i tried new session also though at login screen
[15:42] <vidd> killerbyte, check the "save session" when you log out
[15:42] <mutu310> martin_: i'd like to be able to use DHCP, but I don't want to risk trying to enable it
[15:43] <killerbyte> it came back
[15:43] <martin_> try this if one xubuntu, alt+f2 - xfce4-terminal, xfce4-panel
[15:43] <killerbyte> thank you very much vidd and martin_
[15:43] <killerbyte> xfce4-panel worked
[15:43] <mutu310> last time I tried, myself and 2 other network admins spent hours trying to get it to work, including having to flash the firmware a few times
[15:43] <vidd> killerbyte, check the "save session" when you log out
[15:43] <killerbyte> vidd, that was always ticked
[15:43] <mutu310> it made me hate dhcp
[15:44] <vidd> killerbyte, and that is why rebooting never fixed it
[15:44] <martin_> killerbyte, did you kill xfce4-panel, in a previous session?
[15:44] <killerbyte> vidd, ok i wonder why it went away though
[15:45] <vidd> the panels crashed, you logged out, saving the session with panels closed....and lived happily never after =]
[15:45] <killerbyte> martin_, no i never wanted to kill it
[15:45] <killerbyte> :)
[15:45] <martin_> must of crash like vidd said
[15:46] <killerbyte> i did try a new session though i thouhgt
[15:46] <killerbyte> *thought
[15:46] <vidd> killerbyte, you probably did an update....
[15:46] <vidd> and that crashed the panels
[15:46] <martin_> mutu, enable dhcp on your router via ethernet and wireless should work and connect then, there is no point in having static ip address on a wireless connection
[15:46] <killerbyte> i did i think but that was at the start of this session
[15:47] <killerbyte> like hours ago
[15:47] <vidd> the default session gets written with panels down...end of story
[15:47] <killerbyte> vidd, ok
[15:47] <killerbyte> thanks very much anyway
[15:47] <vidd> killerbyte, if you have no customization....you could delete all stored sessions
[15:48] <vidd> also, you might want to check out your .conf files
[15:48] <killerbyte> vidd, how can i do that?
[15:49] <killerbyte> will it help stop something like that happening again or something?
[15:49] <vidd> open your home directory, view hidden files, on there they are
[15:49] <vidd> killerbyte, it might not stop it from happening....but can help you to fix it
[15:50]  * vidd keeps a back-up of his defualt /home directory, so he can transplat it to multiple machines
[15:51] <vidd> custom menu, panels etc
[15:51] <vidd> =]
[15:51] <martin_> vidd, do you know how I could get a shortcut for a wine app that is listed in the panel menu to the desktop?
[15:51] <killerbyte> i dont see the stored sessions in my home directory
[15:51] <killerbyte> i dont know what theyre called though
[15:52] <vidd> killerbyte, its in the ./cache folder (i think)
[15:52] <killerbyte> ok
[15:52] <martin_> .cache/sessions
[15:52] <vidd> martin_, i dont create a virus breeding gound on my linux amchine, so i would not be able to assist
[15:53] <martin_> lol
[15:53] <killerbyte> :)
[15:53] <killerbyte> is it safe to delete all the files in .cache/sessions?]
[15:54] <martin_> vidd, I only use one windows app because I bought it and it works well on under wine!
[15:54] <vidd> killerbyte, yes....they will be auto recreated next time they are needed
[15:54] <killerbyte> also another slight problem
[15:54] <mutu310> Anyone have any idea how i can get the weather thingy that you can add to xubuntu's panel (which shows a forecast and a lot of details) and put it instead of the crap one there is for Ubuntu?
[15:54] <vidd> mutu310, install xfce4-goodies
[15:55] <killerbyte> when i close the terminal in which i run xfce4-panel the panels go away
[15:55] <martin_> mutu is now on ubuntu, arent you mutu?
[15:55] <vidd> killerbyte, hehe
[15:55] <killerbyte> vidd, great ill delete them so
[15:55] <vidd> ok....you emptied the ./cache/sessions?
[15:55] <martin_> try adding && after the command killerbyte
[15:55] <mutu310> martin_: yes.
[15:56] <vidd> martin_, no...we trying something else....
[15:56] <martin_> sorry!
[15:56] <vidd> killerbyte, they gone?
[15:56] <mutu310> martin_ and vidd: I am on Ubuntu. Do i still apt-get install xfce-goodies?
[15:57] <killerbyte> yes theyre gone now
[15:57] <martin_> i don't know whether you can use them under gnome?
[15:57] <martin_> killerbyte, in terminal add && after xfce4-panel
[15:58] <mutu310> i'll try to find something generic then
[15:58] <vidd> killerbyte, now open terminal
[15:58] <killerbyte> yes
[15:58] <martin_> sorry! just one &, then panel wont disappear after you close terminal
[15:59] <killerbyte> martin_, lets wait to see what vidd says
[15:59] <vidd> sudo /etc/ini.d/gdm restart will close your desktop and restart it without saving anything
[16:00] <vidd> let me know if this brings the panels when you log in
[16:00] <vidd> martin_, we want him to have the panels without having to save the session
[16:00] <HabsaK> whoop whoop 6hrs45mins remaining
[16:00] <killerbyte> ok i assume ill get disconnected from irc then
[16:00] <killerbyte> ill do that now
[16:00] <vidd> this way he can "open new session" in the future without issue
[16:01] <vidd> he needs his system to know that the panels need to be there
[16:01] <martin_> oh okay, sorry! if you get the panels up, save session, log out, back in, and then don't save session, they will remain! I think!
[16:01] <killerbyte> sudo: /etc/ini.d/gdm: command not found
[16:01] <martin_> you miss the t
[16:02] <martin_> init.d
[16:02] <killerbyte> ok
[16:02] <vidd> sorry....my keyboard socks!
[16:02] <martin_> use tab to autocomplete
[16:03] <vidd> martin_, if the panels come up, it makes no difference, because he deleted all sessions
[16:03] <vidd> he can save or not-save at his lesure
[16:03] <AkariChan> hi guys
[16:03] <AkariChan> question: how do i enable more than 2 desktops in xfce with compiz enabled?
[16:04] <vidd> AkariChan, in xfce or in combiz? they are different desktop environments
[16:04] <martin_> when he logs back in after deleting the sessions, if he get the panels up, saves session, they will remain
[16:05] <AkariChan> vidd: compiz is the enhancement, xfce is differnet?
[16:05] <vidd> martin_, if they come up, and he DOESNT save sessions, they will still come up too
[16:05] <AkariChan> it's like gnome + compiz, instead i am running xfce + compiz
[16:05] <martin_> that's probably because he delete the sessions, then it will default back i assume
[16:05] <vidd> AkariChan, no....gnome is a desktop environment, KDE is a desktop environment, xfce4 is a desktop environment, compiz is a desktop environment
[16:06] <AkariChan> compiz is a desktop environment? i never knew that :|
[16:06] <AkariChan> I thought it was an eye-candy enhancement
[16:06] <AkariChan> right now i am running xfce + "compiz --replace"
[16:07] <martin_> compiz is a compositing window manager
[16:07] <AkariChan> does that mean, i can run compiz as an xsession?
[16:07] <vidd> AkariChan, ok...enjoy (i know nothing about combiz....my ssytems cant handle it)
[16:07] <martin_> you can AkariChan
[16:07] <AkariChan> ah. i shall try that.
[16:08]  * vidd is off to smoke
[16:11] <killerbyte> it seems to be working well now
[16:11] <martin_> did you delete the sessions in the end?
[16:11] <killerbyte> yes
[16:12] <martin_> did you save the session after getting the panels up?
[16:12] <killerbyte> i did that when you told me to
[16:12] <martin_> did it work?
[16:13] <killerbyte> i dont want to burden you with a lot of problems but theres 1 other big problem with my computer
[16:13] <killerbyte> it wont power off
[16:13] <killerbyte> by itself
[16:13] <martin_> what do you mean?
[16:13] <killerbyte> i have to cut the power physically
[16:13] <martin_> how are you attempting to shut it down?
[16:13] <killerbyte> it says system halted and i think the hard drives actually stop
[16:14] <killerbyte> normal shutdown
[16:14] <killerbyte> sudo shutdown now also
[16:14] <killerbyte> restart works no problem
[16:14] <mutu310> i wonder if so many people are having problems with network manager, how come they're not fixed?
[16:14] <martin_> try poweroff
[16:14] <mutu310> i still can't connect :(
[16:14] <martin_> sudo poweroff
[16:15] <killerbyte> i think theres problem with acpi / apm
[16:15] <martin_> mutu even with dhcp?
[16:15] <mutu310> martin_: can't set DHCP
[16:15] <martin_> how come?
[16:15] <killerbyte> ill try sudo poweroff and come back here then
[16:15] <martin_> okay]
[16:15] <mutu310> martin_: i'd like to be able to use DHCP, but I don't want to risk trying to enable it. last time I tried, myself and 2 other network admins spent hours trying to get it to work, including having to flash the firmware a few times
[16:16] <martin_> what router are you using
[16:16] <martin_> ?
[16:16] <mutu310> doesn't matter, even step by step instructions i found don't work
[16:16] <mutu310> it keeps putting the DHCP on a different ip range
[16:17] <mutu310> and i set it to use my ip range
[16:17] <mutu310> and i do save
[16:17] <mutu310> and it doesn't save
[16:17] <mutu310> and the IP range it chooses is random
[16:18] <martin_> why do you want a specif ip range?
[16:18] <martin_> and what's your setup?
[16:19] <mutu310> well they need to have an ip range for the assigned IPs
[16:19] <mutu310> but it refuses to give out IPs on the range of the modem's IP
[16:20] <martin_> is this not a home internet connection?
[16:20] <mutu310> yes
[16:20] <mutu310> it is
[16:20] <martin_> what country are you in?
[16:20] <mutu310> Malta
[16:20] <mutu310> (europe)
[16:20] <martin_> okay, how do you connect, dsl, cable?
[16:21] <martin_> I know where Malta, btw!
[16:21] <martin_> I live in the UK
[16:22] <mutu310> :)
[16:22] <mutu310> ADSL
[16:23] <mutu310> i'm trying again now
[16:23] <mutu310> but it demands a lease time
[16:23] <mutu310> i want it unlimited :S
[16:23] <martin_> and you have a router connected to your adsl line, right?
[16:23] <vidd> mutu310, is your dsl modem set up as a bridge?
[16:23] <mutu310> i have a wireless modem which acts as a router
[16:24] <martin_> the lease time will automatically renew in dhcp
[16:24] <mutu310> but it doesn't allow me to leave the lease time field blank
[16:24] <vidd> mutu310, you CANT have unlimited lease time....
[16:24] <mutu310> Lease time
[16:24] <mutu310> The maximum time a client is allowed to use the address.
[16:24] <vidd> so set it to 999999
[16:24] <mutu310> what happens after your lease time is up?
[16:25] <mutu310> you're no longer connected?
[16:25] <vidd> it reregisters
[16:25] <martin_> no you cant have a unlimited lease time, but they automatically new themselves
[16:25] <martin_> *renew
[16:25] <mutu310> what's the point of lease time?
[16:25] <mutu310> I mean why would you want to lose your IP?
[16:25] <killerbyte> martin_, ends up same as normal shutdown
[16:26] <vidd> killerbyte, how old is your system?
[16:26] <killerbyte> freezes at last splash screen
[16:26] <killerbyte> 99 / 2000 motherboard i think
[16:26] <martin_> killer are you using an AT or ATX machine?
[16:27] <vidd> mutu310, do you have more then one machine connected to your router?
[16:27] <killerbyte> it gives a warning acpi: bios age (1997) fails cutoff age (2000)
[16:27] <killerbyte> martin_, i dont know
[16:27] <martin_> disable acpi
[16:27] <killerbyte> whats the difference?
[16:28] <mutu310> wow actually DHCP is working now lol
[16:28] <killerbyte> martin_, i think it disables it itself
[16:28] <mutu310> but wifi still can't connect
[16:28] <martin_> at are phycial connections ATX are switched
[16:28] <killerbyte> it also says acpi=force is required to enable acpi
[16:29] <killerbyte> martin_, i dont know what connections you are talking about though
[16:29] <mutu310> wow wifi worked now
[16:29] <mutu310> rofl
[16:29] <mutu310> woohoo
[16:29] <mutu310> lemme reboot
[16:29] <martin_> when you power on your computer, what is the switch like?
[16:30] <vidd> mutu310, what is the gateway IP?
[16:30] <mutu310> 10.0.0.138
[16:30] <vidd> mutu310, then you have a private ip for your internal machines
[16:31] <vidd> you would want to set the following info:
[16:31] <martin_> what I am saying killer is, you might have to physically turn the machine off because off it age, on windows, it might leave a message saying it is now save to turn off your computer!
[16:31] <killerbyte> http://paste.ubuntu.com/72418/
[16:32] <killerbyte> martin_, this computer has been able to automatically turn off before
[16:32] <vidd> gateway = 10.0.0.138, netmask = [your internal network's netmask...usuall 255.255.255.0], address = [static IP on your internal network]
[16:32] <martin_> killer when you boot, hit esc when on grub, go down to the kernel bit and type acpi=force
[16:32] <mutu310> vidd i set those, dhcp is working
[16:32] <killerbyte> last time i was using windows though it was giving me that message though
[16:33] <martin_> you might have to press e to edit the line!
[16:33] <killerbyte> but it didnt always
[16:33] <mutu310> it's just it's not reliable when switching on, doesn't always connect to wifi
[16:33] <mutu310> now at least it worked with the 2nd try
[16:33] <vidd> mutu310, what did you set the static ip address to?
[16:33] <martin_> yeah you have a AT machine, you will have to physically switch it off!
[16:33] <killerbyte> martin_, ok ill try that
[16:33] <mutu310> i am using dhcp now vidd
[16:33] <mutu310> and from the modem i locked the server lease ;)
[16:34] <vidd> mutu310, i understand that...when you set static ip what did you assign
[16:34] <vidd> ?
[16:34] <mutu310> 10.0.0.44
[16:34] <killerbyte> martin_, i didnt have to physically switch it off before though
[16:34] <vidd> and what is the current DHCP address?
[16:34] <martin_> killer, ATX machines are electronically switched! AT aren't
[16:34] <mutu310> 10.0.0.50 or 10.0.0.51
[16:34] <killerbyte> there are power management options in my bios
[16:34] <killerbyte> apm, acpi and apm/acpi
[16:35] <vidd> mutu310, the reason it didnt work is because you set the machine's static IP address insde the DHCP range
[16:35] <killerbyte> i have tried them all
[16:35] <martin_> it wont make a difference, you will have to turn it off yourself
[16:35] <killerbyte> martin_, do you know what is the most likely to work and how to try get it working?
[16:35] <vidd> mutu310, at least...that is my theory
[16:35] <mutu310> vidd: no i didn't
[16:35] <killerbyte> martin_, how was it able to switch off by itself before?
[16:35] <mutu310> just switch dhcp on
[16:35] <mutu310> *switched
[16:36] <mutu310> and set it from 10.0.0.50 to 10.0.0.59
[16:36] <vidd> mutu310, what is the router's dhcp range for wired and wireless?
[16:36] <mutu310> 10.0.0.50 to 10.0.0.59
[16:36] <vidd> what was it before?
[16:36] <martin_> "last time i was using windows though it was giving me that message though" that means its AT, that means physically needing to be switch"
[16:36] <mutu310> no dhcp was set before
[16:37] <killerbyte> martin_, it didnt always give me that message in windows
[16:37] <vidd> mutu310, ok...now that the router is set to assign IP's, you can now set up static IP's
[16:37] <vidd> just make sure that you set the static's outside the dhcp range
[16:37] <mutu310> i'm not going to do that
[16:37] <martin_> umm, well then, I don't really know! wiki AT or ATX to find out more!
[16:37] <mutu310> vidd: i set the modem to always assign the same IP to the mac address
[16:38] <killerbyte> martin_, ok
[16:38] <vidd> mutu310, since it was not configured to assign DHCP addresses, it was not set up to allow anything to connect
[16:38] <mutu310> vidd: so it works a bit like static IP, but no settings are needed in the OS
[16:39] <mutu310> every restart, i lose the wired connection settings and it goes back to dhcp
[16:39] <mutu310> so i will keep on using dhcp
[16:39] <vidd> mutu310, good luck
[16:39] <mutu310> since it works now :)
[16:39] <mutu310> why does it lose wired settings though?
[16:40] <martin_> killer, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATX#Power_supply
[16:40] <vidd> mutu310, i set the static ip's in /etc/networking/interfaces
[16:40] <mutu310> it's like... during that session i can see the settings there, so it saves them somewhere, but after i reboot they are lost. why does it not save them to the place it reads at startup?
[16:41] <vidd> this way, the settings are there, weather im in GUI or CLI
[16:42] <vidd> mutu310, what is the setting in your network interfaces for eth[assigned number for wired connection]
[16:42] <mutu310> setting of what?
[16:43] <vidd> for your network interfaces
[16:44] <mutu310> i'm on eth0
[16:45] <martin_> mutu, how are things going? I was trying to help killerbyte!
[16:46] <mutu310> martin_: everything seems fine i believe, i'll just pop downstairs because last reboot it connected on the 2nd try not the first with dhcp
[16:46] <mutu310> but could be with the poor reception i have here
[16:46] <vidd> mutu310, that is where you would set up the static info for youtr eth0
[16:47] <vidd> static ip settings require address, netmask and gateway
[16:47] <vidd> if you like, i can pastebin a smaple
[16:50] <vidd> mutu310, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/72423/
[16:53] <mutu310> back
[16:53] <mutu310> just won't connect now
[16:54] <mutu310> went right next to modem
[16:54] <mutu310> from what i see, it only connects randomly
[16:55] <martin_> if that be the case, it's probably a driver issue
[16:55] <vidd> mutu310, what app are you using to control your network on the 'puter?
[16:55] <mutu310> i have windows xp
[16:56] <vidd> ????
[16:56] <mutu310> ah you mean on the laptop
[16:56] <mutu310> network manager
[16:57] <vidd> the computer running linux...what application is controlling your network connections?
[16:57] <vidd> what version of *buntu you using? 8.04 or 8.10?
[16:57] <mutu310> 8.10
[16:58] <vidd> what does lspci say your wifi card is?
[16:58] <mutu310> Atheros AR5001X+
[16:59] <vidd> that does not look like the output of lspci =\
[17:00] <mutu310> it seems I have the same problem as this guy
[17:00] <mutu310> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=979826
[17:00] <mutu310> ok hold on
[17:01] <mutu310> Ethernet controller [0200]: Atheros Communications Inc. Atheros AR5001X+ Wireless Network Adapter [168c:0013] (rev 01)
[17:01] <vidd> much better =]
[17:02] <vidd> mutu310, did you set up madwifi?
[17:02] <mutu310> uh oh, seems i'm not the only one:
[17:02] <mutu310> http://ge.ubuntuforums.com/showthread.php?s=df5ac6be425193a71118e05fe4764768&t=963379
[17:03] <mutu310> one guy said: "Switching my router from chanel 4 to chanel 12 solved my problem..."
[17:04] <mutu310> mine has channel auto
[17:04] <mutu310> should i change that?
[17:04] <vidd> mutu310, cant hurt any
[17:04] <vidd> mutu310, did you install madwifi?
[17:04] <mutu310> vidd: no
[17:05] <vidd> good....did you install ndiswrapper?
[17:06] <mutu310> vidd: not unless it is installed by default
[17:06] <vidd> ok...so that rules out those causes
[17:06] <mutu310> channel 12 still doesn't work
[17:06] <mutu310> will try them all manually
[17:06] <vidd> mutu310, set it back to auto
[17:06] <mutu310> but what is the channel? will it affect windows boxes connecting?
[17:07] <vidd> mutu310, it might
[17:07] <vidd> do you have encryption turned on for your wifi?
[17:07] <mutu310> yes
[17:08] <vidd> can you turn it off for a bit?
[17:08] <vidd> and what kind of encryption do you have?
[17:08] <mutu310> WPA
[17:09] <mutu310> (personal)
[17:09] <vidd> mutu310, before you disable encryption, can you pastebin your /var/log/wpa_supplicant.log?
[17:12] <mutu310> can't quite pastebin with no network :S
[17:12] <mutu310> oh let me go wired
[17:13] <mutu310> http://paste.ubuntu.com/72437/
[17:14] <PsiTrax> can i config my tightvnc that a session starts NOT a new xfce but connects to the existing one?
[17:14] <vidd> mutu310, from reading the log, your wifi is not broadcasting its MAC
[17:15] <mutu310> if i go in the gui interface
[17:15] <mutu310> mac address is empty
[17:16] <mutu310> but the tooltip says This option locks this connection to the network device specified by the MAC address entered here.
[17:16] <vidd> mutu310, the successful connections is when the MAC address is posted....but the failed attempts is when the system is trying to force a connection to an iterface with no MAC address
[17:17] <mutu310> so what is wrong?
[17:17] <vidd> is your wifi router set to not broadcast its essid?
[17:18] <mutu310> not sure, possibly
[17:18] <vidd> mutu310, can you assign the connection by mac address instead of essid?
[17:19] <mutu310> i confirm that the wifi router is set to not broadcast the ssid
[17:20] <vidd> mutu310, tell it to broadcast
[17:20] <mutu310> then i lose another layer of security :P
[17:20] <vidd> what good is security if you cant use it either?
[17:21] <vidd> besides...this is for troubleshooting...not permanent
[17:21] <mutu310> set to broadcast, still not working
[17:22] <mutu310> did you look at http://ge.ubuntuforums.com/showthread.php?s=df5ac6be425193a71118e05fe4764768&t=963379
[17:22] <mutu310> ?
[17:22] <vidd> mutu310, ....you need to sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[17:23] <vidd> mutu310, yes...i read that
[17:24] <mutu310> i restarted
[17:24] <mutu310> still nothing
[17:24] <vidd> did you run the command i gave you?
[17:25] <mutu310> yes
[17:25] <mutu310> that's what i meant by restarted
[17:26] <vidd> pastebin iwconfig
[17:27] <vidd> mutu310, does your laptop have a on/off button for the wifi card?
[17:27] <mutu310> well it has a button on the top just above f6, normal multimedia buttons
[17:28] <mutu310> which doesn't seem to do anything
[17:28] <mutu310> and one on the battery at the bottom which i dunno what it is
[17:28] <vidd> do you have a wifi light?
[17:28] <mutu310> has 4 green lights next to it which light up for like 3 secs after i press that button
[17:29] <mutu310> with the indicators by charge and battery i have a blue one for wifi
[17:29] <mutu310> when it's not on it's flashing
[17:29] <vidd> and is there a button below that light?
[17:30] <mutu310> no
[17:30] <vidd> ok
[17:30] <vidd> what is the pastebin link for iwcong?
[17:30] <vidd> iwconfig
[17:30] <mutu310> u think this might work for me?
[17:30] <mutu310> or shall i not risk it
[17:30] <mutu310> http://ge.ubuntuforums.com/showpost.php?s=df5ac6be425193a71118e05fe4764768&p=6160568&postcount=44
[17:32] <vidd> mutu310, pastebin the output of lsmod |grep ath
[17:33] <mutu310> iwconfig http://paste.ubuntu.com/72443/
[17:34] <mutu310> other command http://paste.ubuntu.com/72444/
[17:35] <vidd> mutu310, did you edit that output for iwconfig?
[17:35] <mutu310> no
[17:35] <vidd> ok....your wifi card is trying to assosciate with "Nickname" instaed of your wifi
[17:36] <vidd> mutu310, but to answer your other question.....
[17:37] <vidd> yes....that link with the backports will probably fix you right up[
[17:37] <vidd> it would appear that 8.10 is assigning a madwifi driver instead of the working driver
[17:37] <vidd> and since we KNOW the madwifi driver for your card is worthless, this is most likely your issue
[17:38] <mutu310> ok let me try then
[17:41] <vidd> mutu310, someone else will need to help you with STEP 4
[17:41]  * vidd must sign out for lunch break
[17:41] <mutu310> ok vidd thanks dude
[17:42] <vidd> work dont like us sitting at the desks durning breaks and lunch =\
[17:52] <mutu310> WOOOOHOOOOOOOOOO that fix worked
[17:57] <vidd> mutu310, cool
[17:57] <mutu310> basically it was not using the proper drivers but the madwifi ones
[17:58] <vidd> exactly
[18:02] <vidd> !info gnump3d
[18:03] <mutu310> i can't believe it... problems started again
[18:12] <vidd> mutu310, did you blacklist the madwifi driver?
[18:12] <mutu310> i did disable
[18:12] <mutu310> now, somehow, it won't find any networks
[18:12] <mutu310> and the blue LED is off
[18:13] <vidd> mutu310, "sudo modprobe ath5k
[18:15] <vidd> can anyone recommend a server-side media streamer?
[18:17] <mutu310> vidd: i think it was a reception problem, possibly
[18:18] <mutu310> perhaps the new drivers don't have such a good reception, could that be possible?
[18:18] <vidd> dunno
[18:19] <mutu310> as soon as i sit down her
[18:19] <mutu310> it dies
[18:21] <mutu310> even though it sees around 23% reception
[18:33] <mutu310> it's probably cos it's such an old driver
[18:33] <mutu310> it _should_ be using madwifi
[18:57] <fauli> hi everybody
[18:59] <blurbb> how can i update firefox from 3.0.3 to 3.0.4 in xubuntu ?
[18:59] <blurbb> there isn't from synaptic
[19:00] <vidd> blurbb, compile from source or find a .deb for it
[19:00] <blurbb> i can't find a .deb
[19:00] <vidd> then compile from source
[19:00] <blurbb> don't know how to do
[19:01] <vidd> follow the step-by-step instructions included in the source package you download
[19:02] <fauli> hoi vidd :)
[19:02] <blurbb> always errors and mistakes when compile
[19:03] <vidd> blurbb, what "omg! i HAVE to have this!!!!" feature is in the 0.4 that is missing in the 0.3?
[19:05] <blurbb> resolved bugs
[19:06] <blurbb> and also epiphany 2.2 to 2.4
[19:06] <vidd> blurbb, the exact same way...find a deb or compile from source
[19:07] <vidd> if they are not in the repo's, those are your only other options (or do without)
[19:07] <blurbb> even not in getdeb.net
[19:07] <blurbb> yes i'll live without
[19:07] <vidd> did you install all the required tools for compiling from source?
[19:08] <blurbb> yes
[19:08] <blurbb> now i'm from windows xp pro sp3
[19:08] <blurbb> and have firefox updated with 2 clics
[19:08] <vidd> did you do the "make" as root?
[19:08] <blurbb> yes
[19:08] <vidd> so you ignored the step-by-step instructions
[19:09] <vidd> no wonder it failed
[19:09] <blurbb> are always 'make - sudo make - install'
[19:09] <blurbb> or similar
[19:09] <vidd> no...make, make-install sudo install
[19:10] <vidd> (i'm not sure if make-install is or is not done as root)
[19:10] <vidd> but i KNOW make cannot be done as root
[19:11] <blurbb> with opera u can find immediately a .deb file from its homepage
[19:14] <vidd> blurbb, did you even bother to google?
[19:14] <vidd> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion
[19:15] <blurbb> yes
[19:15] <vidd> did you find the page i posted?
[19:16] <blurbb> yes
[19:16] <vidd> and it didnt help you?>
[19:17] <blurbb> yes
[19:18] <vidd> so it did help you?
[19:18] <blurbb> chown -R u+w /home/username/firefox
[19:18] <blurbb> /home/username/firefox/firefox
[19:18] <blurbb> chmod -R uog-w /home/username/firefox
[19:19] <vidd> blurbb, ???????
[19:19] <blurbb> i don't know if it will works
[19:20] <vidd> well...if you google "firefox 3.0.4 deb" the first link is a thread about this subject....
[19:20] <vidd> read that thead to get pointed to the page link i posted
[19:21] <vidd> and if it dont work...contact them...not us
[19:21] <vidd> =]
[19:22] <blurbb> when will be available in synaptic?
[19:22] <vidd> it probably wont
[19:22] <vidd> JJ will mostlikely have 3.1
[19:22] <blurbb> who is JJ?
[19:22] <blurbb> ah next release
[19:23] <vidd> jj= Juanty [something]....the next release of *buntu
[19:23] <blurbb> but this is lts
[19:23] <blurbb> xubuntu hardy
[19:24] <vidd> i would recomend that you look into compiling from source..... and quit complaining that windows will let you install viruses and spyware faster then linux will
[19:25] <vidd> blurbb, just because it has long term support does not mean that they are going to add new software to it all the time
[19:25] <vidd> the support....LTS and normal is SECURITY updates
[19:25] <vidd> maybe bugfixes
[19:26] <vidd> you want the latest and greates....get the l;atest and greatest
[19:26] <Necrosan> Jaunty Jaundice
[19:26] <Necrosan> right?
[19:26] <vidd> its released every 6 months
[19:27] <vidd> Necrosan, i really dont care =]
[19:27] <vidd> Necrosan, they are naming them after african animals...not after diseases
[19:28] <Necrosan> hehehe
[19:28] <vidd> Necrosan, thought i would miss the refernce?
[19:28]  * vidd is off to smoke
[19:29] <Necrosan> anythings possible
[19:32] <blurbb> is dangerous update from 8.04 to 8.10!
[19:33] <vidd> blurbb, then dont cry you dont have the latest and greatest software available
[19:33] <blurbb> do u know a famouse site where i can find many .deb files ?
[19:34] <vidd> blurbb, i dont bother with looking for debs
[19:34] <vidd> if it aint in the repo's, its not stable enough for my stsems
[19:40] <blurbb> i don't think so
[19:40] <blurbb> i have many programs insalled from getdeb.net
[19:40] <blurbb> and are stable
[19:40] <vidd> then again....i never have any issues making .debs from the sources
[19:41] <blurbb> can u give make a .deb file from firefox 3.0.4 sources?
[19:41] <vidd> the only app i use that is not in the repo's is wicd....because the network manager *buntu uses is [contents edeted to "Not to my liking"]
[19:42] <vidd> blurbb, can I? absolutely.....will I....not likely
[19:42] <vidd> if i do, ill post it to my website
[19:43] <vidd> and ill post a link to it here
[19:44] <vinnl> *Why* are the best applications also hardest to package... :(
[19:44] <blurbb> i search a program for see attenuation noise margin of connection adsl carrier?
[19:44] <blurbb> i search a program for see attenuation noise margin of connection adsl carrier
[19:44] <blurbb> in xubuntu
[19:45] <blurbb> firefox is really worse
[19:45] <blurbb> i use k-meleon epiphany opera
[19:45] <blurbb> and firefox but only for downthemall extension
[19:49] <blurbb> i have installed connection manager
[19:49] <blurbb> i have uninstalled connection manager*
[19:55] <blurbb> which program can i use?
[19:55] <blurbb> connection manager is not compatible with my modem drivers
[19:55] <blurbb> i have an adsl usb modem
[20:17] <vidd> i hate having to "autoremove --purge half the crap that gets auto-installed with the install-recommends being enabled!
[20:32] <K-Z> hmm
[20:32] <K-Z> Algun canal de xubuntu que sea en españñol?
[20:32] <Odd-rationale> !es | K-Z
[20:32] <Odd-rationale> :|
[21:21] <owen1> how to install only the minimum packages when using aptitude install?
[21:21] <vidd> owen1, you want none of the -reccommends?
[21:22] <owen1> vidd: what does recommends means? what if i don't install them?
[21:22] <vidd> basiclly... you have 3 types of assosiation....depends, recommends and suggests
[21:23] <vidd> depends = "wont work without"
[21:23] <vidd> recommends = "works well with"
[21:23] <vidd> suggests = "might want to try this too"
[21:24] <owen1> vidd: what do u prefer+
[21:24] <owen1> ?
[21:24] <vidd> since 8.10 default set-up gives you depends and recommends.....
[21:24]  * vidd changed his systems to "depends only"
[21:24] <owen1> vidd: what does works well with means? sorry if it's a stupid question..
[21:25] <vidd> you want firefox....
[21:25] <vidd> it must have xorg and a bunch of other files.....
[21:25] <owen1> vidd: sure
[21:26] <vidd> it "works well with" ubufox, and some other files....
[21:26] <vidd> but if you dont have them, it will still work
[21:26] <owen1> vidd: ubofox is another app? what is it?
[21:26] <vidd> the suggests might include "sun-java6-plugin, and other files
[21:27] <owen1> vidd: so just because java6-plugin works with firefox it will install it as well?!
[21:27] <vidd> owen1, ubufox sets your home page to ubuntu.com, and some other ubuntu-related "tweeks" to firefox
[21:28] <vidd> owen1, no...that is a possible suggest
[21:28] <vidd> have you ever looked into sysnaptic?
[21:28] <owen1> vidd: sorry. u said suggests.
[21:29] <owen1> vidd: don't use gnome/kde so i can't look at synaptic.
[21:29] <vidd> owen1, if you have xorg, you can have synaptic
[21:29] <vidd> but...i digress
[21:30] <vidd> i would recommend that you use apt-get instead of aptitude
[21:30] <owen1> vidd: really? that's the opposite of what i thought!
[21:30] <owen1> vidd: i heard that aptitude takes better care of the dependencies.
[21:30] <vidd> i only suggest this because it is easier to control apt then aptitude
[21:31] <vidd> really? aptitude is a front-end for apt-get
[21:31] <vidd> but i digress.....
[21:32] <vidd> you have a *buntu cli only install?
[21:32] <owen1> vidd: true
[21:32] <owen1> vidd: with dwm
[21:32] <owen1> vidd: dynamic window manager
[21:33] <owen1> vidd: vim, rtorrent, hpodder, feh, mplayer,
[21:33] <vidd> owen1, wich...if you KNOW what you want to install...is not needed
[21:33] <owen1> vidd: aptitude is not needed if u know what u want?
[21:34] <vidd> owen1, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/72548/
[21:35] <vidd> owen1, sure...the only good it does (that i can see) is it lets you view all the packages that are available
[21:35] <vidd> *browse
[21:36] <vidd> owen1, i do not wish to debate the virtues of apt-get over/under aptitude
[21:36] <owen1> vidd: too bad.. sound like a good discussion to me.
[21:37] <vidd> i posted instructions to let you use apt-get to install just the package with depends
[21:37]  * vidd is adding a media server to one of his systems
[21:38] <owen1> vidd: but i am not sure about 'recommends'. what if sometimes they offer important files? is there a way to know what are the depends/recommends/suggests ?
[21:39] <vidd> yes....apt-get shows this information (dont know about aptitude)
[21:39] <owen1> vidd: got it. it's time to do man apt-get..
[21:40] <vidd> you will get "will also install x, y, z" and "recommends a,b,c" as well as "suggests 1,2,3"
[21:42] <owen1> vidd: when u say 'you get' what do u mean? by following your instructions or is there an argument to apt-get command?
[21:43] <vidd> the information is displayed
[21:43] <vidd> if there are more then one file to be installed, there will be an opertunity for you to not install
[21:43] <owen1> vidd: nice. aptitude didn't have it.
[21:45] <vidd> owen1, if you do "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop" it will show you all the 700+ apps it will want to install and give you the choice to Y [install] enter [install] or N [abort]
[21:46] <vidd> plus tab-complete works nicely with apt-get
[21:46] <vidd> (again, not sure with aptitude)
[21:46] <owen1> vidd: yes. i see it now. so what if i don't want the suggested? how to tell apt-get to get only the depends?
[21:47] <vidd> the suggested will never be installed.....
[21:47] <vidd> and if you do not want the "recommends" follow the instructions i posted b4
[21:47] <owen1> vidd: sorry, i meant the recommended.
[21:47] <vidd> owen1, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/72548/
[21:48] <vidd> owen1, do you see the "recommended" when you did apt-get install [package]? or just the suggested?
[21:49] <owen1> vidd: so all i need is to create a file?
[21:49] <vidd> owen1, yes...then apt-get update
[21:49] <owen1> vidd: only suggested
[21:50] <vidd> then follow thos instructions
[21:50] <vidd> as i said b4...i do not know how it will effect aptitude....but i dont use it =]
[21:50] <owen1> vidd: got it
[21:55] <owen1> vidd: in aptitude u can do this  --without-recommends  (i am reading in aptitude man)
[21:55] <vidd> owen1, then use aptitude
[21:55] <vidd> =]
[21:55] <owen1> vidd: will do.
[21:55] <vidd> as i said...i dont use it...
[22:19] <philippe_> Hello. I have just installed Xubuntu but I can't do my updates. I think it is because it don't ask my password when I start the update manager?? any help will be appreciated
[22:22] <philippe_> anyone
[22:41] <billenium> How do i install xubuntu?
[22:42] <billenium> while i have kubuntu installed.
[22:48] <xubuser> Hello People.
[22:48] <xubuser> does any one know if Urban Terror is available in aptitude?
[22:48] <xubuser> or rather in software repos.
[23:33] <vocal9> How can i add the mediabuntu repositories??
[23:34] <Odd-rationale> !medibuntu | vocal9
[23:35] <vocal9> i cant dl them myself?
[23:35] <Odd-rationale> vocal9: read the wiki page... it tells you how to just download the .deb you want..
[23:39] <vocal9> Is the latest xubuntu considered hardy heron ?
[23:39] <hhh2> no
[23:39] <hhh2> intrepid ibex