[02:23] <Xang> Can someone clean up ubuntu-es please? There is a flooder.
[02:25] <Pici> LjL, elkbuntu: Around? ^^
[02:25] <elkbuntu> i cant do anything to help, sorry
[02:25] <elkbuntu> at least, i dont think
[02:26] <Pici> elkbuntu: ack, I assumed that the irccouncil had access there, doesnt look like it.
[02:27] <Pici> effie_jayx just took care of it
[02:27] <Xang> It is being taken care of now. Thanks.
[02:27] <Xang> :)
[02:28] <elkbuntu> yep
[02:28] <elkbuntu> he struck as i entered
[02:28] <[NikO]> uBOTu-fr have autoban feature with flood and repeat detection
[02:29] <elkbuntu> the main channels do too
[02:29] <elkbuntu> with the floodbots
[04:37] <effie_jayx> hello all
[04:38] <effie_jayx> LjL,  ping
[04:38] <effie_jayx> anyone around?
[04:39] <nalioth> hola
[04:39] <tritium> hello
[04:48] <effie_jayx> sorry to cry wolf, just to ask on what to do
[04:48] <effie_jayx> #ubuntu-es seems a mess and it is basically bad IRC admin
[04:49] <effie_jayx> I am one of the ops, but policies are comanded in a team and the teams seems very disfunctional
[04:49] <effie_jayx> all the people have very different ideas of what we want from the channel
[05:58] <elkbuntu> effie_jayx, is that the cause of the flooding today?
[05:59] <effie_jayx> not the cause
[05:59] <effie_jayx> the lack of active ops
[05:59] <effie_jayx> flooding happens everyday
[05:59] <elkbuntu> :(
[05:59] <effie_jayx> the fact that there are no good ops to herd the crowds there... leads to flodding
[06:00] <effie_jayx> somehting must be done
[06:00] <effie_jayx> I mean, #ubuntu-es must be a central point for all spanish speaing locos
[06:00] <effie_jayx> it is were we give support
[06:00] <effie_jayx> it is the equivalent of #ubuntu but in spanish
[06:01] <elkbuntu> agreed on both counts.
[06:01] <effie_jayx> it is redundant to give support in each and every spanish loco irc channel
[06:01] <elkbuntu> has there been a meeting of the ops of the channel?
[06:01] <effie_jayx> last one last year
[06:02] <effie_jayx> thing is .. PELICANO
[06:02] <effie_jayx> the guy is so overprotective over his role
[06:02] <effie_jayx> and I am honest here. I admit I haven't been that active myself
[06:03] <effie_jayx> but there are issues that scale to the point of ops contradicting eachother
[06:03] <effie_jayx> elkbuntu, a meeting you suggest... I say yes. but it has to be a meeting iwth members of the ubuntu-irc team as well
[06:04] <effie_jayx> pelicano is not easily convinced that we need new ops.
[06:04] <effie_jayx> and LjL knows of what I speak
[06:05] <elkbuntu> then ljl and jpds are probably your best bet as representatives.
[06:05] <effie_jayx> elkbuntu, great, I shall arrange for this to happen then
[06:07] <effie_jayx> elkbuntu, btw the name changed... it is santiago javier
[06:47] <elkbuntu> effie_jayx, heh
[11:15] <[NikO]> effie_jayx: perhaps, if needed ubotu-fr can join and activate flood/repeat protection, that will help for the lack of active ops
[12:20] <effie_jayx> [NikO], that would be usefull
[12:21] <[NikO]> ok
[12:23] <[NikO]> bot will need a OiA flag
[12:23] <effie_jayx> [NikO], OiA?, sorry I am not IRC bot literate
[12:24] <[NikO]>  /msg chanserv access #ubuntu-es add uBOTu-fr +OiA
[12:25] <[NikO]> i thinks
[12:25] <effie_jayx> ufff
[12:30] <effie_jayx> [NikO], I might have to wait for the founder of the channel for him to give it access
[12:30] <[NikO]> ok, bot is in, when it s done, just kick him
[12:31] <effie_jayx> [NikO], when it's done?
[12:31] <[NikO]> when access change
[12:32] <effie_jayx> ok
[19:20] <MTecknology> Anybody around?
[19:21] <PriceChild> What's up?
[19:21] <jussi01> heya MTecknology
[19:21] <MTecknology> jussi01: hi
[19:22] <MTecknology> I'm taking over the Ubuntu SD LoCo Team and wanna make sure I'm doing the channel right. I've been using it a while and the guy before me used it but now that I've taken over the team, it's starting to have activity.
[19:22] <MTecknology> I was hoping somebody could make sure I'm handling things appropriately so I don't tick anyone off
[19:22] <jussi01> SD?
[19:22] <jussi01> PriceChild: is your man :D
[19:22] <MTecknology> south dakota
[19:23] <jussi01> ahh
[19:23] <jussi01> so -us-sd ?
[19:23] <MTecknology> yup
[19:25] <MTecknology> I imagine I'm handling things pretty well, but I figure if I wanna someday be important, I should start by doing things correctly.
[19:25] <MTecknology> PriceChild: ??
[19:26] <MTecknology> wow, i know a lotta people in here...
[19:27] <MTecknology> in here that I know... **
[19:27] <PriceChild> Looks fine to me.
[19:28] <MTecknology> PriceChild: What did you even look at?
[19:28] <PriceChild> Just that you're not doing anything silly and unnecessary like always opped, tis nice to have freenode/staff on flags etc.
[19:29] <MTecknology> PriceChild: I wanted to give myself +R on the channel too but I wasn't able to. I thought +f gave me that ability
[19:30] <PriceChild> +f lets you grant flags you have yourself.
[19:30] <MTecknology> oh
[19:30] <jussi01> MTecknology: this is a good resource: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam/CreatingChannels
[19:30] <MTecknology> so I pretty much need to either get +F or get all flags?
[19:31] <MTecknology> I was also curious if atoponce should be there or not
[19:31] <PriceChild> I'm trying to remember whether there's a reason you should have +R or not.
[19:31] <MTecknology> I'm guessing that's just another standard irc user
[19:31] <PriceChild> MTecknology: there's no harm in leaving him there is there?
[19:32] <PriceChild> I assume he gave you the access you currently have.
[19:32] <MTecknology> probably not
[19:32] <MTecknology> no
[19:32] <MTecknology> djennewe
[19:32] <MTecknology> I've never met atoponce
[19:33] <MTecknology> PriceChild: should I maybe add *!*@ubuntu/member/* +votiA
[19:34] <[NikO]> ..
[19:35] <MTecknology> maybe not those flags, but +V maybe?
[19:35] <[NikO]> no
[19:35] <MTecknology> ok
[19:35] <[NikO]> http://freenode.net/channel_guidelines.shtml
[19:35] <MTecknology> [NikO]: I was looking at the link jussi01 gave me :P
[19:35]  * jussi01 slaps MTecknology
[19:35] <jussi01> :P
[19:35] <MTecknology> ?
[19:36] <MTecknology> jussi01: did I get you in trouble? :P
[19:36] <jussi01> MTecknology: no... lol it was a playful slap
[19:36] <MTecknology> so was my joke ;)
[19:36] <jussi01> MTecknology: you forgot the :P
[19:37] <MTecknology> oh - I got up Friday morning - 4hr sleep since then
[19:37] <jussi01> lol
[19:39] <MTecknology> PriceChild: so - conduct this channel similar to every other ubuntu channel and all will be good?
[19:40] <MTecknology> oh - only one person can have +F, right?
[19:40] <PriceChild> yep, there's a channel guidelines page on the wiki, can't link it to you to it though sorry
[19:41] <MTecknology> PriceChild: so since I'm taking over the thing completely, +F is probably a good idea?
[19:41] <PriceChild> is it required?
[19:42] <PriceChild> is there a reason its a good idea?
[19:42] <MTecknology> I mean if I want to manage who is on the access list?
[19:42] <PriceChild> You don't need +F for that.
[19:43] <MTecknology> then I need to have every flag?
[19:43] <MTecknology> so I can grant/remove them from others?
[19:44] <MTecknology> err - I have them already, don't I?
[19:44] <PriceChild> I Don't think that's true. /msg chanserv help flags
[19:45] <MTecknology> don't think which part is true?
[19:45] <PriceChild> you need +F
[19:46] <MTecknology> and if he gives me +F, then he loses it?
[19:46] <PriceChild> Four people may hold +F.
[19:47] <MTecknology> oh - ok
[19:47] <MTecknology> How many people hold it for -offtopic?
[19:47] <MTecknology> now I'm just curious
[19:48] <jussi01> MTecknology: /msg chanserv access #ubuntu-offtopic list
[19:48] <MTecknology> oh - i had it in my head that an access list was privlidged
[19:50] <PriceChild> access list is *normally* viewable by all, wheras +A is required for flags.
[19:50] <MTecknology> oh
[19:51] <MTecknology> well - someday maybe I'll get the privledge of being on that list
[19:51] <MTecknology> for now I get to practice with a live channel :P
[19:51]  * jussi01 blacklists MTecknology's nick...
[19:51] <jussi01> :P
[19:52] <MTecknology> hey - at least I never asked for it
[19:52] <MTecknology> I am starting to consider applying though
[19:52] <jussi01> dont...
[19:52] <MTecknology> no?
[19:52] <jussi01> applying for ops gets you nowhere... :D
[19:53] <MTecknology> eh - am I still here?
[19:53] <jussi01> yes
[19:53] <MTecknology> no, not ops
[19:53] <MTecknology> member
[19:53] <jussi01> oh...
[19:53] <jussi01> go on then!!
[19:53] <jussi01> :D
[19:53] <MTecknology> :P
[19:54] <jussi01> (oops)
[19:54] <MTecknology> I honestly doubt I'll ever be an op anywhere other than -us-sd
[19:54] <jrib> why?
[19:54] <jrib> we should know I guess :)
[19:55] <jussi01> MTecknology: what makes you think that?
[19:55] <MTecknology> idk - I just don't think I've ever given much to prove I'd be a useful op
[19:56] <MTecknology> unless the LoCo proves something or trying to help in #u, but in my head that only helps me have a chance at member, not ops
[19:56] <jussi01> MTecknology: relax... :D
[19:56] <MTecknology> huh?
[19:56] <MTecknology> I wasn't freaking out
[19:57] <MTecknology> or was i?
[19:57] <jussi01> MTecknology: thing is, IMHO, the people selected to be ops are usually the ones who can be relied upon to have a level head, consistently. ;)
[19:57] <MTecknology> dang, I'm too tired to be able to answer that :P
[19:58] <jussi01> hehe
[19:58] <jussi01> MTecknology: you heard of this wonderful thing called, errr... sleep????
[19:58] <MTecknology> I think the only time my head isn't level is when I'm really really bored, tired, and irritated. All at the same time.
[19:59] <MTecknology> but those times I usually close irc, pound through what's ticking me off, and not fall asleep thinking about it
[19:59] <MTecknology> like friday night
[20:00] <MTecknology> On the bright side though, dang I like how our wiki and website look.
[20:00] <jussi01>  MTecknology, go to bed... now... you are beginning to ramble :D
[20:00] <MTecknology> sorry
[20:00] <MTecknology> You should hear me when I'm trying to talk now
[20:01] <MTecknology> I can't go to sleep just yet though, I'm occupied in something else
[20:03] <MTecknology> jussi01: I'm thinking about bugging stdin and seeing if he wants to write more code to create a second database for factoids though. One that's filled with constants and one that has changes. So that changing a constant factoid, puts a new entry in the changing db and the bot looks at that one first.
[20:09] <jussi01> MTecknology: what would be the benefit of that?
[20:10] <MTecknology> jussi01: sync up w/ the public factoids database and then add my own to it
[20:10] <jussi01> MTecknology: I can assure you he doesnt want to write more code atm though, I already have him doing several thiongs :D
[20:10] <MTecknology> or whoever is using it. But he has more important things going on with that code by a long shot
[20:10] <MTecknology> eh - yup
[20:13]  * jussi01 goes to make breakfast...
[20:13] <MTecknology> jussi01: I'm probably just going to need to keep a script to modify the factoid changes. Perhaps I can handle writing the code for that and hand it to stdin to see if it's useful
[20:14] <MTecknology> at least then I'll have sone something useful with my life :P
[20:14] <MTecknology> anyway - sorry to flood the channel with useless crap - g'night
[20:14] <MTecknology> day... w/e