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[09:23] <evand> cjwatson: re partman-target> will do
[14:00] <CIA-2> localechooser: cjwatson * r141 ubuntu/ (49 files in 3 dirs): merge from Debian 2.08
[14:12] <CIA-2> installation-report: cjwatson * r63 ubuntu/ (25 files in 3 dirs): merge from Debian 2.38
[14:14] <CIA-2> installation-report: cjwatson * r64 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 2.38ubuntu1
[14:15] <CIA-2> localechooser: cjwatson * r142 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 2.08ubuntu1
[14:15] <eolo999> hi, i came here just to ask for materials on installer preseeding... the wiki docs at https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/installation-guide/hppa/preseed-using.html starts to much in the middle and it's quite messy...
[14:17] <cjwatson> well, perhaps it starts in the middle because it isn't the first part of the relevant chapter in the guide :)
[14:17] <cjwatson> go to the end of the page and follow the link labelled "Introduction"
[14:18] <cjwatson> the installation guide is the best material on preseeding we have
[14:18] <cjwatson> you do have to read all of it though
[14:18] <cjwatson> rather, all of that appendix B
[14:18] <eolo999> cjwatson: i started from the beginning ;)...
[14:18] <cjwatson> what exactly is confusing you?
[14:19]  * eolo999 tries to make things clear in his mind...
[14:28] <eolo999> cjwatson: i think the big picture it's not well explained and that many 'agents' get involved without being presented properly (initrd, debconf database, bootloader, etc.)...
[14:30] <eolo999> imho it seems to be clear to insiders of the d-i ;)
[14:31] <cjwatson> I think perhaps it's also clear if you've read the entire installation guide from the beginning
[14:31] <cjwatson> which might be a lot to ask
[14:32] <cjwatson> initrd: initial ram disk containing the "core" of the installer: everything that runs before "Retrieving installer components" is in the initrd
[14:32] <cjwatson> debconf database: database containing all the questions and answers involved in the installer, including some internal ones that aren't actually shown to the user
[14:32] <cjwatson> bootloader: perhaps wikipedia is a better reference there
[14:34] <eolo999> cjwatson: i know what's initrd, debconf, and other things... do you really think the preseeding guide it's well done?
[14:35] <cjwatson> I'm not saying it's perfect, but I'm not going to get into a vague conversation about it because I'm precisely one of those "insiders" and it's hard for me to know what isn't obvious to everyone else
[14:35] <cjwatson> the best way to improve it would be to file *specific* bug reports about *specific* things that weren't clear
[14:36] <cjwatson> preferably one item at a time
[14:36] <eolo999> cjwatson: i'll try to do it :)
[14:36] <cjwatson> also, you said it wasn't clear to you
[14:36] <cjwatson> and yet you brought up things that you say you do understand
[14:36] <cjwatson> so I'm not sure I understand if you have a specific problem yourself?
[14:36] <cjwatson> I'm happy to help if so
[14:37] <eolo999> cjwatson: thx
[14:50] <CIA-2> debian-installer: cjwatson * r987 ubuntu/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Move mainline architectures to 2.6.27-9 kernels.
[15:26] <CIA-2> partman-target: evand * r737 ubuntu/ (66 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed)
[15:26] <CIA-2> partman-target: * Resynchronise with Debian. Remaining changes:
[15:26] <CIA-2> partman-target:  - Use UUID= fstab syntax for all partitions if a UUID is available, and
[15:26] <CIA-2> partman-target:  add a comment above each UUID to indicate the corresponding device at
[15:26] <CIA-2> partman-target:  install time.
[15:26] <CIA-2> partman-target:  - Disable automatic mounting of USB removable devices.
[15:26] <CIA-2> partman-target:  - Don't use UUIDs in fstab for those device types that volumeid.postinst
[23:46] <CIA-2> debian-installer: cjwatson * r988 ubuntu/ (13 files in 3 dirs): Move ports architectures to 2.6.27-1 kernels.