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w33d5i have two drives with many of the same files and wanted to use fdupes to remove dupes.  QUESTION i only want to remove files from /media/disk2 and keep the files from /media/disk1      can someone help me with the command?03:07
Fenix|homegreetings!03:38
Fenix|homeanyone with suggestions for "buffer i/o error on device sr0" with 8.10?  I'm buring with Nero 8 with multiple ISO's and multiple disks... using ubuntu-server-amd6403:38
hadsNero?03:43
Fenix|homeburning software03:46
Fenix|homeam trying with another downloaded version from another host, using ImgBurn03:47
hadsThis is Windows software?03:47
Fenix|homeyes03:47
hadsOkay, no idea then.03:48
Fenix|homemy problems look like bug 266951 but I am burning to CD-R03:48
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 266951 in linux "Buffer I/O error on device sr0 Logical Block XXXXXX in Intrepid Ibex Alpha 5" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/26695103:48
Fenix|homeand this isn't the alpha either03:48
Fenix|homeok... download was successful... md5 matched... burn was successful CD verified with image, now let's see if my computer boots it without error03:51
Fenix|homeok... now it works03:53
Fenix|homeok... problem #2 has reared it's ugly head04:19
Fenix|homeGrub Error 1804:19
Fenix|homehard drives are dmraid04:19
Fenix|home8.10 installed grub04:20
Fenix|homearray is 74000 MB04:24
smultronanyone in here use bacula?04:26
paul68hi does someone know a good tutorial to get 3 subnets to communicate with eachother?05:24
jmarsdenpaul68: Plug them each into an interface on a router?05:29
jmarsdenAs it stands your question cannot be answered well... what are you really trying to do?  How will the 3 subnets connect to each other physically?  VPNs?  Cat5 cables?  dialup modems??05:30
paul68jmarsden: the layout is going to be like this isp> dlink > server with 2 nics and a linksys switch/accesspoint wifi05:35
jmarsdenWhere are the 3 subnets in this scenario... ?05:35
paul68jmarsden: purpose is to let my server act as router and create iptables on there dlink has ip 192.168.0.1 eth has 192.168.0.122 eth1 has 192.168.1.12 and then the linksys switch who has ip 192.168.1.105:37
paul68jmarsden: and then the wifi since all devices are going to get connected to wifi most off the time05:37
paul68jmarsden: I was told that it has 3 different subnets then05:38
jmarsdenOK.  Are you trying to run the linksys in access point mode, or as a router??05:39
paul68jmarsden: linksys is running in ap mode05:39
jmarsdenThen that's two subnets.  192.168.0.0/24 on the dlink/eth0 interface and 192.168.1.0/24 on the eth1/linksys one.05:40
jmarsdenWhere is the third one coming from?05:40
paul68jmarsden: thats what people told me yesterday in ubuntu general that I have 3 different subnets so I was surprised to hear that05:40
paul68jmarsden: or he was getting tired of helping me05:41
jmarsdenI'm not sure what network design they set out for you.  ROuting between the two interfaces of your Ubuntu server should be trivial... what's your actual problem?05:41
jmarsdenHow far have you got?05:42
paul68jmarsden: the problem is that I can connect to my server from dlink towards eth0 I'm able to ping eth1 and thats where I stranded05:43
paul68I can't connect to the internet from a device behind the linksys05:43
paul68and I can't ping eth0 when I'm connected to eth1 please note I am at the office and not able to connect to my server05:44
jmarsdenBut you can, from the linksys itself, or from another wired device on that 192.168.1.0/24 subnet?05:44
paul68on the linksys I can ping everything that is connected to the same subnet05:45
jmarsdenIt's going to be hard to help troubleshoot this if you don't have remote access to your server .... but it sounds like the default gateway on the linksys is set incorrectly?05:45
paul68default gateway is 192.168.1.105:46
jmarsdendefault gw on the linksys needs to the the IP assigned to eth1, which you said was 192.168.1.12 I think.  BTW, why didn't you open port 22 on the dlink and install openssh-server on the server... so you can get in from work?05:46
paul68ok will change that no not possible to connect over ssh since my ISP has blocked everything under port 102405:47
jmarsdenOne line change to the /etc/ssh/sshd_config file and sshd will run on port 22222 if you want :)05:48
paul68jmarsden: and ssh is installed and yes I know05:49
jmarsdenAnyway, yes, check the default gw on the linksys and set it to be whatever the IP address on the eth1 of the server is, and I think all will be well.05:49
paul68jmarsden: didn't sleep over the weekend to try to get this to work and therefore I didn't open the port for ssh05:49
jmarsden:) OK05:50
paul68jmarsden: ok I'll check that05:50
paul68where do you live I live in belgium so If you where able to be here in lets say 12 hours it would be nice to continue this conversation05:51
paul68or are you in dreamland at that stage05:51
jmarsdenI'm in California, USA.  9:52pm here.  I will be at work in 12 hours, but I may be here as jmarsden|work, depends if I am at my desk or out at a client site05:52
paul68ok and I need to adapt the routing also I guss05:53
paul68guess05:53
jmarsdenAs long as the server has packet forwarding enabled at all, and its default gw is the dlink, it should route between those interfaces just fine, I think.05:54
paul68well I will definitly give it a go when I'm at home thanks for your assistance at this point05:55
jmarsdenNo problem05:55
paul68but the bright side of my problem is that the new config for my dhcp and bind is functioning correctly so I was happy about that the pregnant wife however didn't like it that I did alsmost a 48 straight to solve this problem05:56
paul68trying to solve this problem I ment05:57
paul68do I need to adapt the gateway of the eth1 to the one the dlink is using?06:03
paul68in the interfaces file06:04
paul68jmarsden: can you check my last remarks please thanks06:07
jmarsdenpaul68: default gateway of the server should be the LAN-side IP of the dlink.  You can't really have a "gateway" on a per interface basis.06:08
paul68jmarsden: thats for eth0 right06:09
jmarsdendefault gateway is in the routing table, not for one interface or the other... ??06:09
paul68jmarsden: ok understood06:10
jmarsdenYou can do netstat -nr and look for the route for 0.0.0.0 to see what it is set to.06:10
paul68jmarsden: ok will do that to06:15
BeeBuumkfs -t clu:gfs -p lock_dlm -j 2 /dev/vg00/lv00 get error-->:mkfs.clu:gfs: No such file or directory        how can i fit it?07:23
KoonBeeBuu: maybe /usr/sbin/gfs_mkfs -t clu:gfs -p ...07:41
Koon(from man mkfs.gfs)07:41
Koonsee example at the bottom of http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/intrepid/en/man8/mkfs.gfs.html07:42
BeeBuuKoon: i can't find any cluster.conf file..... need any command to install?07:45
KoonBeeBuu: no clue. I just knew why mkfs -t clu:gfs would fail (mkfs reserves the -t parameter).07:46
BeeBuui just run: apt-get install gfs-tools, anything had i missed?07:47
krautmoin08:20
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acbothttps://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/serverguide/C/mail-filtering.html10:39
acbot" Add the amavis user to the clamav group in order for Amavisd-new  to have the appropriate access to scan files: "10:39
acbotamavis reports erros using this setup, I think it should be " Add the clamav user to the amavis group in order for Amavisd-new  to have the appropriate access to scan files: "10:40
acbotthoughts?10:40
ElDelfinI'm not sure if this is the right chan for this, but no matter what I try, I can't do a dcc send in xchat.12:31
ElDelfinI have firestarter installed, and i've mapped the relevant ports into the router.12:32
ElDelfinwhy is ubuntu stopping me?12:32
sorenElDelfin: You could try disabling firestarter and see if that helps.12:35
sorenThat way, you'll know if it's firestarter or something else that's getting in the way.12:35
Deepscan try to dcc me if it helps, that will also idenfity what ip and port your client is sending in the dcc send request12:36
Deepsoften with mirc, the problem is the client sending the machine's lan ip in the dcc send req12:36
Deepsor if you're using a bnc, it'll attempt to use the bnc's ip as a source ip for the dcc transfer12:36
ElDelfinthe reason i downloaded firestarter, is that i could get it to work.12:37
* ElDelfin has stopped firestarter12:37
Deeps1238.24 [freenode] DCC SEND from ElDelfin [24.236.85.103 port 4990]: obsidian2-2.0.4.tar.bz2 [49kB]12:39
Deepsand it's stalled12:39
ElDelfinhappens every time.12:39
Deeps1239.40 [freenode] DCC can't connect to 24.236.85.103 port 499012:39
sorenElDelfin: I've never heard of a firewall that made *more* stuff get through than without it.12:40
Deepsif thats the correct ip, then the problem is a firewalling/networking issue, either your router's firewall/nat gateway isn't configured correctly, or your local machine isn't12:40
ElDelfinme either, but i was running out of stuff to try.  if it were a replacement for the default firewall ...12:40
ElDelfini have it set in the filter section of my router, since that allows a port range, instead of a single port, like the virtual server section.  i don't understand networking all that well.12:42
ElDelfinif it is my local setup, then its a pretty fresh ubuntu install.  amule works fine.12:44
sorenElDelfin: Did you disable ufw?12:44
ElDelfiner, i defined it in the firewall section, not the filters section of the router.12:45
ElDelfini don't think so.  what's that?12:45
sorenUncomplicated Firewall. It's the default firewall application on Ubuntu.12:46
ElDelfinno.  i haven't seen hide nor hair of it thus far.12:46
ElDelfinyou know how, or should I surf it up?12:46
sorensudo ufw disable12:50
ElDelfincan i try a send now?12:51
sorento me? Probably not.12:51
sorenI've never used DCC here, so I don't know if it's expected to work.12:52
ElDelfindeeps?12:52
ElDelfinnot to worry.  i can find some1 in xchat.  i hope that's it ...12:53
ElDelfinok, i found it.13:22
ElDelfini had to specify my network IP in the rule in my router.  it wasn't gonna let it through with just a * for the destination IP13:22
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espaciouswhat is the best metod to make software arry?14:48
espaciousi have latest ubuntu and 4 sisks to put togeather14:48
espaciousdisks*14:48
Fenix|workGreetings14:53
Fenix|workcan anyone point me to a howto on password-less SSH without using rhosts?14:54
sommerFenix|work: do you want to use ssh-keys?15:01
Fenix|workyes... and at the same time I don't want sshd to prompt for credentials15:02
Deepsssh-keygen; ssh-copy-id15:02
sommerFenix|work: https://help.ubuntu.com/8.10/serverguide/C/openssh-server.html15:03
sommerhas instructions... doesn't have ssh-copy-id though15:03
* sommer needs to look into ssh-copy-id :)15:03
Deepsjust takes the pub key and scp's it into .ssh/authorized_keys15:04
Deepsand sets suitable perms15:04
Deepsmight be smart enough to append it if the file already exists too15:04
Deepseitherway, it greatly simplifies the process for someone who's new to ssh keys and doesn't know how to resolve the minor tripups (like perms on the keys)15:05
Deepsin effect, lets you simplify the help you give to simply being 'ssh-keygen, ssh-copy-id' ;)15:05
Fenix|workdo I need to generate a key locally if I already have a key in authorized_keys?15:06
Deepsyou need your private key locally, and your public key in the authorized_keys file on the remote server15:06
Fenix|workDeeps, You're write... I phrased my question wrong15:07
Fenix|workDo I need to generate keys on the remote server if I have my local public key in authorized_keys ... to which the answer is no.15:08
Fenix|workis there also any way to tell SSHD to not allow password logins15:08
Deepsyep15:08
Deepsi think it's in the pam.d settings15:09
Fenix|workI'd like to have my home linux box on the net, but I don't want someone to hack it by being able to try username/password combos15:09
Fenix|workjust simply fenix@homebox.myprivate.host and auth with my key15:10
Deepshmm, might be "PasswordAuthentication no" in /etc/ssh/sshd_config15:10
Fenix|workI've turned on PubkeyAuthentication yes and AuthorizedKeysFile %h/.ssh/authorized_keys15:11
yann2in /etc/ssh/sshd_config turn PasswordAuthentication to no15:16
yann2oh I am 5 minutes late :)15:16
yann2will read all the log next time ^^15:17
uvirtbotNew bug: #299078 in nagios3 (main) "package nagios3-common 3.0.2-1ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: el subproceso pre-removal script devolvi? el c?digo de salida de error 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/29907815:22
ndm_designHey can someone help me with a new build?15:43
ndm_designI kinda just fell into having to build a new Server for work15:44
ndm_designand am by all means not a Linux Guru15:44
ndm_designI need a board that can run Ubuntu Server Edition as hassle free as possible15:45
ndm_designAnd I need to run a Mirror since it will be server about a Terabyte of Video15:45
ndm_designCan I get any suggestions on boards that I wont have a problem with15:46
zoopsterndm_design: define board? as in building a server from components?15:48
ndm_designhttp://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681313125715:48
ndm_designWas considering this board15:48
ndm_designSo in short yes...15:48
zoopsterI have a different version of the P5 that runs well...my thoughts. The Broadcom chips are known for issues with Linux...Ubuntu 8.10 allows it to install with ease15:52
ndm_designWell I planned on running 8.10 Server Edition15:52
zoopsterI do not know about support for the onboard video15:52
ndm_designWow I hadnt looked at the video chipset...15:53
ndm_designThats some crap...15:53
ndm_designWell I've got a budget of about $800-$100015:55
ndm_designLike I said I know Hardware I just don't know Linux all that well and need the most compatible out of the box solution possible15:55
gabblerhi does anyone know about dns resolution plese16:10
ndm_designSeriously noone has any hardware advice?16:11
gabblerndm_design, have you thought about virtual stuff?16:13
ndm_designNot really, it just needs to be a run of the mill web server16:14
ndm_designIt just has to host up a lot of video thus the Raid 1 preference16:15
gabblernot raid 5?16:15
ndm_designWell Raid 5 would be fine too...16:15
ndm_designBetter obviously16:16
gabblerand what sort of advice are you after (sorry missed the original q)16:16
ndm_designOh well thanks gabbler16:16
ndm_designI'm a Designer and just kinda had this fall into my lap16:16
ndm_designI know hardware... but I'm no Linux guru16:16
ndm_designI'm trying to put together a web server to run Ubuntu 8.10 Server edition16:17
ndm_designAnd would like to get hardware to have the easiest out of the box experience possible16:17
gabbler:)16:17
ndm_designLike I said I know hardware... I just don't know linux, I've been staring at chipset compatibility for days now16:18
gabblerok isee most hardware these days is fine but if you can get some older stuff (which would be cheaper) all the better16:18
ndm_designWell I was wanting to build something socket 775 so I could just get a decent dual core xeon16:18
ndm_designand around 4 gigs of ram16:18
ndm_designthe bigger issue will be the raid16:18
ndm_designwww.epicktv.com16:19
ndm_designif you care to see the site it will be hosting16:19
gabblerone sec just looking16:19
ndm_designwhen it's all said and done there will be several terybytes of movies and tv shows hosted16:19
gabblerand i ssume you would rather hardware raid thatn software?16:20
ndm_designWell... really I just want hassle free, from what I've been reading it doesnt seem to make too much of a diffrence weather you hardware or software raid in linux16:21
ndm_designThe Bosses expect me to have this thing up and running with the site migrated to the new server in like 2 or 3 days tops16:21
ndm_designI'd like to make that a reality16:21
gabblerwell if software raid is ok, all you need are a couple of disks which you can configure using the install16:23
gabbleri would suggest that you get vmware server and have a play with the setup for raid and see if it works as you want16:23
ndm_designYea I mean I'm not terrified of Linux or anything, in fact I love Ubuntu, I just dont want something thats going to stall me for days since I'm a moderate user16:23
gabblerhere is a good link, a bit old but the ideas still stand16:23
gabblerhttp://advosys.ca/viewpoints/2007/04/setting-up-software-raid-in-ubuntu-server/16:23
ndm_designThanks...16:24
ndm_designAny suggestions on a good board or chipset?16:24
gabblerpersonally i use intel most of the time16:25
ndm_designYou think I'd have any problems with this? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681312132816:26
zoopsterndm_design: You are looking to high end. You can find a simple board with a nvidia or older intel video, basic ethernet for $100 on newegg with sata and add several drives using software raid (if necessary) and you are golden16:30
gabblerwell i have had a look on intels website and it does have drivers for linux should you need them which is a good start16:30
zoopsterNewegg has a number of great barebones boxes that fit the bill16:31
zoopsterI would avoid VIA chipsets, broadcom ethernet, and ATI graphics, but you cannot go wrong with the mid-tier boxes16:33
ndm_designThanks zoopster, looks like a lot are using broadcom though16:34
ndm_designHey Zoop16:36
ndm_designWhat about XGI Video?16:36
zoopsterwhat about xgi video16:36
ndm_designBecause I like this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681611003116:36
zoopsterbtw...broadcom isn't an issue with 8.10, they just don't support open source as well as they should16:37
zoopsterI use a mac with 8.10 and it works fine with the broadcom chip16:37
ndm_designOh ok cool16:37
zoopsterif you were going with 8.04 LTS I would not recommend broadcom16:40
zoopsterwell...a search on xgi shows they were bought by ATI, but the linux support in their chips stunk16:40
zoopsterhowever if this is a server that may not be an issue since you don't need high end graphics (none if this is a server).16:41
ndm_designMan I'm really having a hard time finding a board or barebones solution that doesnt have some sort of quark16:41
zoopsterso the basic vesa framebuffer will work16:41
zoopsterwelcome to the fragmented world of hardware today16:41
ndm_designAnd I thought drivers could be a bitch in a windows enviroment... boy was I wrong16:48
zoopsterin linux there is workarounds to it all...for instance with xgi...the vesa driver will work fine16:54
zoopsteryou will only miss 3d support16:54
zoopsterin windows you don't have a driver you don't have video16:54
zoopsterperiod16:54
zoopsterLinux has FAR better driver support...period16:54
ndm_designDidnt look at it like that16:54
ndm_designFair nuff16:54
Lasivianhiya16:55
Lasiviananyone have a smtp solution to recommend besides postfix?16:55
* Lasivian is apprently too stupid for postfix16:56
zoopsterare you having problems with postfix16:57
zoopsteryou have many options...but I would still use postfix as my mta of choice16:57
ScottKLasivian: Postfix can be a little difficult at first.  I highly recommend "The Book of Postfix".  They lay it all out very nicely there.16:57
Lasivianthe problem is 5 seconds with a simple windows tool did what I could not do in 2 hours with postfix17:00
LasivianO just need a simple smtp relay to one address from a windows program that does not have an smtp password field17:01
Lasivianhttp://www.softstack.com/freesmtp.html <-- that worked, but i'm mad because I wanted to use my ubuntu box instead so i'm not relying on shitty windows solutions17:02
samuraipenguinnot to pass the buck, but that sounds more like an issue with that app not supporting smtpauth then with postfix -- which should be able to whitelist IPs in mynetworks.17:02
lamonttelling postfix to allow the windows box to send mail through it should be trivial.17:03
lamontOTOH,  turning postfix into an open relay so that an unauthenticated sender can send mail through it is probably not what one wants to do.17:03
lamontso restricting to IP is a good answer17:03
Lasiviansamuraipenguin: I have no disagreement with that conclusion, if I could find a beter raid management tool i'd be happy to use it17:04
Lasiviani'm not good enough with ubuntu to put it on my raid server17:04
LasivianlamontL one would think, but when I try to telnet to the ubuntu box and test it I get a relay refusal17:05
samuraipenguinLasivian: did you add the IP to 'mynetworks' in main.cf and restart postfix?17:06
fhtwhich package or task do i have to install to get a minimal ubuntu-server when installing with pressed?17:23
fhtfor now i'm using tasksel/first multiselect standard17:24
fhtbut this installs a generic kernel and way too much packages17:24
fhteven something with openoffice17:24
lukehasnonameo_O17:26
lukehasnonamewhat OS are you using? Ubuntu server?17:26
fhtI want to install an ubuntu-server with the preseed installation method over network17:26
fht(8.10)17:27
lukehasnonameI thought I had an idea but I don't... be patient and someone more useful may come around.17:29
greenflyfht: check out the preseed file that is included on the ubuntu-server cdrom17:29
greenflyit has the basic examples of settings you need17:29
fhtgood idea17:29
fhtthank you greenfly17:29
greenflynp17:30
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incidencehttp://www.cpni.gov.uk/Docs/Vulnerability_Advisory_SSH.txt <- Any idea how do I prevent this vulnerability? I'm running ubuntu 6.08 lts.17:36
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CelephaisHi, how can i use logical volume with kvm?18:08
keesincidence: we're still waiting to hear from upstream SSH for more details18:55
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Fenix|workGreetings20:07
Fenix|workHow do I turn off username and password logins in open ssh?  I just want username/key-pair logins20:08
hads/etc/ssh/sshd_config20:09
Fenix|workhads, just figured it out20:11
Fenix|workturned off all auth methods except for PubkeyAuthentication20:12
Fenix|workbut me being silly forgot to restart sshd20:12
uvirtbotNew bug: #297785 in mysql-dfsg-5.0 (main) "package mysql-server-5.0 5.0.51a-3ubuntu5.1 failed to install/upgrade: Unterprozess pre-removal script gab den Fehlerwert 1 zurueck" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/29778520:16
uvirtbotNew bug: #298403 in mysql-dfsg-5.0 (main) "MySQL daemon fails to start after upgrade" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/29840320:17
uvirtbotNew bug: #297405 in mysql-dfsg-5.0 (main) "package mysql-server-5.0 None [modified: /var/lib/dpkg/info/mysql-server-5.0.list] failed to install/upgrade: il sottoprocesso pre-installation script ha restituito un codice di errore 1" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/29740520:22
lukehasnonamesigh20:28
ScottKAnyone looking to get involved with bug fixing, Bug #299185 looks pretty easy.20:41
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 299185 in mailscanner "mailscanner 4.68.8 plus clamav 0.94.1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/29918520:41
* ScottK bets sommer could fix it.20:42
sommerScottK: I might have time to look at it this evening, or tomorrow evening21:00
ScottKsommer: Great.  Let me know if you need a sponsor.21:01
Fenix|workGreets...21:14
joerlendI'm following this: https://help.ubuntu.com/8.10/serverguide/C/openldap-server.html22:10
joerlendthere are obviously some errors in it, cause if you follow the instructions, you don't get the expected results. Under LDAP Authentication, you're asked to issue this command: sudo auth-client-config -a -p lac_ldap, but then you receive this error: Error in updating the file: 'pam_account' not found -- Errors found.  Aborting (no changes made)22:11
joerlendany help?22:11
Kamping_Kaiserjust checking - are you running 8.10? (i cant help, i dont use 8.10)22:13
joerlendyes.22:13
joerlendbut maybe you have better chances of understanding what's wrong?22:13
joerlendthis is completely new to me.. I've been at it for a _long_ time, reading whatever I can find, but nothing works.22:14
Kamping_Kaiseri know a working guide for 8.04, no idea about 8.10 though.22:14
joerlendnever setup ldap?22:14
joerlendor just never in 8.10?22:14
Kamping_Kaisernever in 8.1022:15
joerlendI suspect that it's not entirely different in 8.10? I've never done it before on any system.22:15
Kamping_Kaiser$stuff does change between releases. i'll get you the 8.04 link, see if that helps at all (even just for understanding).22:15
joerlendthat'd be nice, thanks.22:16
Deepshttps://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/serverguide/C/openldap-server.html ? heh22:16
Kamping_Kaiserhttp://aj.id.au/wiki/index.php?title=Ldap_Replication - i know this works on 8.04, i used it.22:16
joerlendbut I'm not doing replication, I'm doing authentication.22:17
hadsIt has changed from Hardy to Intrepid, the cn=config stuff came in.22:20
Kamping_Kaiserhads, ah, thats very much outside my scope22:20
joerlendI don't know where to begin.22:21
joerlendI've tried to setup ldap on ubuntu in several versions. The documentation and helpfiles on ubuntu.com are always wrong, or the packages are buggy. I don't know which.22:22
joerlendI must say, at this point, it's really tempting to give up and try another distro instead. Directory services aren't all that uncommon. It should be possible to configurei t.22:23
Kamping_Kaiserthey are, however, universally a pita22:24
joerlendwhat does that mean?22:24
Kamping_Kaiserit means you can try other distros, and i'll bet they are equally unpleasent (depends on your idea of unpleasent though)22:25
joerlendwell, as long as there is documentation and as long as the software actually works, I'm fine.22:26
joerlendI don't mind alot of hard work.22:26
joerlendI guess the problem is that everything changes every six months and nobody checks to see that the documentation is still usable?22:26
Deepsstill to the LTS release22:27
Deepsstick*22:27
Deepsit's been more than 6 months since the last one was released22:27
Kamping_Kaiser /usr/share/doc/<packagename> is the canonical reference for doco, along with man pages22:27
Deepsso the documention should be up to scratch by now22:27
Deepsand most of the bugs are ironed out22:27
Kamping_KaiserDeeps, its not like released doco gets updated (well, i've not noticed it happen)22:27
joerlendalright, I'll give it another try.22:27
Kamping_Kaiserjoerlend, its not that no one bothers, its that some things get missed22:27
joerlendseems like most things to me.22:28
joerlendI don't think I've ever been able to follow the instructions from help.ubuntu.com with success.22:28
joerlendbut I will try to use hardy as client one more time.22:29
joerlendoh, thiese issues have been reported on launchpad. It doesn't work in 8.10, but did work in 8.0422:41
Deepsjust because it's a linux distro doesn't mean it's not subject to the same rules as all software: new releases will always be buggy22:42
joerlendhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/auth-client-config/+bug/29500822:42
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 295008 in auth-client-config "Running "auth-client-config -p lac_ldap" gives error (2)" [Undecided,New]22:42
joerlendDeeps, it isn't completely impossible to run some regression testing.22:43
Kamping_Kaiseron 12,000 packages?22:44
Kamping_Kaiserfwiw, i belive regression testing has been discussed in ubuntuland, no idea what happened to the idea though22:44
joerlendI think such things as ldap, nfs, openssh-server, etc should be tested, yes.22:45
joerlendit isn't a minor inconvenience if those kinds of services stop functioning after an upgrade.22:46
Kamping_Kaiseri'm pretty sure the party line on that one is 'use lts' (but thats just aiui)22:48
joerlendwell, if nobody wants to use the non-lts versions, isn't it just stupid to make them?22:48
Kamping_KaiserUbuntus desktop targeted. aiui.22:49
joerlendhmm?22:50
espacioushello i installed mdadm and made raid1 wit my two identical disks, but when i reboot the machine fstab outputs an error (8)22:51
espaciousif i press ctrl+d it boots22:51
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frojndhello there23:32
Deepsjoerlend: the non-lts versions are targetted at the desktop23:41
Deepsjoerlend: that being the primary focus of ubuntu, the desktop23:41
joerlendwell, but thiese problems would affect both.23:44
joerlendand does.23:50
joerlendI had to upgrade my desktop to intrepid because I'm very dependent on Evolution, for instance. Most office users will be. It's also in the office that central user management is most common.23:50
joerlendconnecting ubuntu desktop to Microsofts systems are getting easier and easier, but connecting ubuntu to ubuntu server is more difficult than ever.It's weird.23:51
joerlendbut I will try one more time, using hardy server and hardy desktop and see if that works. I'm not optimistic though.23:51
Deepsyou may find you're better off using debian as a server23:52
Deepsas that's their primary focus23:52
joerlendif this doesn't work, I'll be looking at redhat and suse.23:54
Deepsi'd definately recommend debian23:54
Deepsover redhat and suse23:54
Deepsand if i'm correct in my thinking, suse is to redhat what ubuntu is to debian23:54
joerlenddoes debian have a good solution for directory services and central user management? I think both redhat and suse does.23:54
hadsI hear they use LDAP23:55
Deepssitting closer to the bleeding edge of software versions than is generally healthy in a server23:55
joerlendhads, Microsoft uses LDAP too.23:56
hadsOkay23:56
Deepsjoerlend: in terms of maintaining and avoiding general nastiness with regards to recursive dependancies and the like, you're better off with debian23:57
Deepsjoerlend: plus debian stable means precisely that. old and crusty, but stable23:57
joerlendbut, as I said, I haven't given up yet. I will give this one last chance using hardy server and hardy desktops.23:57
joerlendthough I _really_ would like to avoid hardy desktop.23:57
[Solars]hay hay23:57

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