[03:07] <w33d5> i have two drives with many of the same files and wanted to use fdupes to remove dupes.  QUESTION i only want to remove files from /media/disk2 and keep the files from /media/disk1      can someone help me with the command?
[03:38] <Fenix|home> greetings!
[03:38] <Fenix|home> anyone with suggestions for "buffer i/o error on device sr0" with 8.10?  I'm buring with Nero 8 with multiple ISO's and multiple disks... using ubuntu-server-amd64
[03:43] <hads> Nero?
[03:46] <Fenix|home> burning software
[03:47] <Fenix|home> am trying with another downloaded version from another host, using ImgBurn
[03:47] <hads> This is Windows software?
[03:47] <Fenix|home> yes
[03:48] <hads> Okay, no idea then.
[03:48] <Fenix|home> my problems look like bug 266951 but I am burning to CD-R
[03:48] <Fenix|home> and this isn't the alpha either
[03:51] <Fenix|home> ok... download was successful... md5 matched... burn was successful CD verified with image, now let's see if my computer boots it without error
[03:53] <Fenix|home> ok... now it works
[04:19] <Fenix|home> ok... problem #2 has reared it's ugly head
[04:19] <Fenix|home> Grub Error 18
[04:19] <Fenix|home> hard drives are dmraid
[04:20] <Fenix|home> 8.10 installed grub
[04:24] <Fenix|home> array is 74000 MB
[04:26] <smultron> anyone in here use bacula?
[05:24] <paul68> hi does someone know a good tutorial to get 3 subnets to communicate with eachother?
[05:29] <jmarsden> paul68: Plug them each into an interface on a router?
[05:30] <jmarsden> As it stands your question cannot be answered well... what are you really trying to do?  How will the 3 subnets connect to each other physically?  VPNs?  Cat5 cables?  dialup modems??
[05:35] <paul68> jmarsden: the layout is going to be like this isp> dlink > server with 2 nics and a linksys switch/accesspoint wifi
[05:35] <jmarsden> Where are the 3 subnets in this scenario... ?
[05:37] <paul68> jmarsden: purpose is to let my server act as router and create iptables on there dlink has ip 192.168.0.1 eth has 192.168.0.122 eth1 has 192.168.1.12 and then the linksys switch who has ip 192.168.1.1
[05:37] <paul68> jmarsden: and then the wifi since all devices are going to get connected to wifi most off the time
[05:38] <paul68> jmarsden: I was told that it has 3 different subnets then
[05:39] <jmarsden> OK.  Are you trying to run the linksys in access point mode, or as a router??
[05:39] <paul68> jmarsden: linksys is running in ap mode
[05:40] <jmarsden> Then that's two subnets.  192.168.0.0/24 on the dlink/eth0 interface and 192.168.1.0/24 on the eth1/linksys one.
[05:40] <jmarsden> Where is the third one coming from?
[05:40] <paul68> jmarsden: thats what people told me yesterday in ubuntu general that I have 3 different subnets so I was surprised to hear that
[05:41] <paul68> jmarsden: or he was getting tired of helping me
[05:41] <jmarsden> I'm not sure what network design they set out for you.  ROuting between the two interfaces of your Ubuntu server should be trivial... what's your actual problem?
[05:42] <jmarsden> How far have you got?
[05:43] <paul68> jmarsden: the problem is that I can connect to my server from dlink towards eth0 I'm able to ping eth1 and thats where I stranded
[05:43] <paul68> I can't connect to the internet from a device behind the linksys
[05:44] <paul68> and I can't ping eth0 when I'm connected to eth1 please note I am at the office and not able to connect to my server
[05:44] <jmarsden> But you can, from the linksys itself, or from another wired device on that 192.168.1.0/24 subnet?
[05:45] <paul68> on the linksys I can ping everything that is connected to the same subnet
[05:45] <jmarsden> It's going to be hard to help troubleshoot this if you don't have remote access to your server .... but it sounds like the default gateway on the linksys is set incorrectly?
[05:46] <paul68> default gateway is 192.168.1.1
[05:46] <jmarsden> default gw on the linksys needs to the the IP assigned to eth1, which you said was 192.168.1.12 I think.  BTW, why didn't you open port 22 on the dlink and install openssh-server on the server... so you can get in from work?
[05:47] <paul68> ok will change that no not possible to connect over ssh since my ISP has blocked everything under port 1024
[05:48] <jmarsden> One line change to the /etc/ssh/sshd_config file and sshd will run on port 22222 if you want :)
[05:49] <paul68> jmarsden: and ssh is installed and yes I know
[05:49] <jmarsden> Anyway, yes, check the default gw on the linksys and set it to be whatever the IP address on the eth1 of the server is, and I think all will be well.
[05:49] <paul68> jmarsden: didn't sleep over the weekend to try to get this to work and therefore I didn't open the port for ssh
[05:50] <jmarsden> :) OK
[05:50] <paul68> jmarsden: ok I'll check that
[05:51] <paul68> where do you live I live in belgium so If you where able to be here in lets say 12 hours it would be nice to continue this conversation
[05:51] <paul68> or are you in dreamland at that stage
[05:52] <jmarsden> I'm in California, USA.  9:52pm here.  I will be at work in 12 hours, but I may be here as jmarsden|work, depends if I am at my desk or out at a client site
[05:53] <paul68> ok and I need to adapt the routing also I guss
[05:53] <paul68> guess
[05:54] <jmarsden> As long as the server has packet forwarding enabled at all, and its default gw is the dlink, it should route between those interfaces just fine, I think.
[05:55] <paul68> well I will definitly give it a go when I'm at home thanks for your assistance at this point
[05:55] <jmarsden> No problem
[05:56] <paul68> but the bright side of my problem is that the new config for my dhcp and bind is functioning correctly so I was happy about that the pregnant wife however didn't like it that I did alsmost a 48 straight to solve this problem
[05:57] <paul68> trying to solve this problem I ment
[06:03] <paul68> do I need to adapt the gateway of the eth1 to the one the dlink is using?
[06:04] <paul68> in the interfaces file
[06:07] <paul68> jmarsden: can you check my last remarks please thanks
[06:08] <jmarsden> paul68: default gateway of the server should be the LAN-side IP of the dlink.  You can't really have a "gateway" on a per interface basis.
[06:09] <paul68> jmarsden: thats for eth0 right
[06:09] <jmarsden> default gateway is in the routing table, not for one interface or the other... ??
[06:10] <paul68> jmarsden: ok understood
[06:10] <jmarsden> You can do netstat -nr and look for the route for 0.0.0.0 to see what it is set to.
[06:15] <paul68> jmarsden: ok will do that to
[07:23] <BeeBuu> mkfs -t clu:gfs -p lock_dlm -j 2 /dev/vg00/lv00 get error-->:mkfs.clu:gfs: No such file or directory        how can i fit it?
[07:41] <Koon> BeeBuu: maybe /usr/sbin/gfs_mkfs -t clu:gfs -p ...
[07:41] <Koon> (from man mkfs.gfs)
[07:42] <Koon> see example at the bottom of http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/intrepid/en/man8/mkfs.gfs.html
[07:45] <BeeBuu> Koon: i can't find any cluster.conf file..... need any command to install?
[07:46] <Koon> BeeBuu: no clue. I just knew why mkfs -t clu:gfs would fail (mkfs reserves the -t parameter).
[07:47] <BeeBuu> i just run: apt-get install gfs-tools, anything had i missed?
[08:20] <kraut> moin
[10:39] <acbot> https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/serverguide/C/mail-filtering.html
[10:39] <acbot> " Add the amavis user to the clamav group in order for Amavisd-new  to have the appropriate access to scan files: "
[10:40] <acbot> amavis reports erros using this setup, I think it should be " Add the clamav user to the amavis group in order for Amavisd-new  to have the appropriate access to scan files: "
[10:40] <acbot> thoughts?
[12:31] <ElDelfin> I'm not sure if this is the right chan for this, but no matter what I try, I can't do a dcc send in xchat.
[12:32] <ElDelfin> I have firestarter installed, and i've mapped the relevant ports into the router.
[12:32] <ElDelfin> why is ubuntu stopping me?
[12:35] <soren> ElDelfin: You could try disabling firestarter and see if that helps.
[12:35] <soren> That way, you'll know if it's firestarter or something else that's getting in the way.
[12:36] <Deeps> can try to dcc me if it helps, that will also idenfity what ip and port your client is sending in the dcc send request
[12:36] <Deeps> often with mirc, the problem is the client sending the machine's lan ip in the dcc send req
[12:36] <Deeps> or if you're using a bnc, it'll attempt to use the bnc's ip as a source ip for the dcc transfer
[12:37] <ElDelfin> the reason i downloaded firestarter, is that i could get it to work.
[12:37]  * ElDelfin has stopped firestarter
[12:39] <Deeps> 1238.24 [freenode] DCC SEND from ElDelfin [24.236.85.103 port 4990]: obsidian2-2.0.4.tar.bz2 [49kB]
[12:39] <Deeps> and it's stalled
[12:39] <ElDelfin> happens every time.
[12:39] <Deeps> 1239.40 [freenode] DCC can't connect to 24.236.85.103 port 4990
[12:40] <soren> ElDelfin: I've never heard of a firewall that made *more* stuff get through than without it.
[12:40] <Deeps> if thats the correct ip, then the problem is a firewalling/networking issue, either your router's firewall/nat gateway isn't configured correctly, or your local machine isn't
[12:40] <ElDelfin> me either, but i was running out of stuff to try.  if it were a replacement for the default firewall ...
[12:42] <ElDelfin> i have it set in the filter section of my router, since that allows a port range, instead of a single port, like the virtual server section.  i don't understand networking all that well.
[12:44] <ElDelfin> if it is my local setup, then its a pretty fresh ubuntu install.  amule works fine.
[12:44] <soren> ElDelfin: Did you disable ufw?
[12:45] <ElDelfin> er, i defined it in the firewall section, not the filters section of the router.
[12:45] <ElDelfin> i don't think so.  what's that?
[12:46] <soren> Uncomplicated Firewall. It's the default firewall application on Ubuntu.
[12:46] <ElDelfin> no.  i haven't seen hide nor hair of it thus far.
[12:46] <ElDelfin> you know how, or should I surf it up?
[12:50] <soren> sudo ufw disable
[12:51] <ElDelfin> can i try a send now?
[12:51] <soren> to me? Probably not.
[12:52] <soren> I've never used DCC here, so I don't know if it's expected to work.
[12:52] <ElDelfin> deeps?
[12:53] <ElDelfin> not to worry.  i can find some1 in xchat.  i hope that's it ...
[13:22] <ElDelfin> ok, i found it.
[13:22] <ElDelfin> i had to specify my network IP in the rule in my router.  it wasn't gonna let it through with just a * for the destination IP
[14:48] <espacious> what is the best metod to make software arry?
[14:48] <espacious> i have latest ubuntu and 4 sisks to put togeather
[14:48] <espacious> disks*
[14:53] <Fenix|work> Greetings
[14:54] <Fenix|work> can anyone point me to a howto on password-less SSH without using rhosts?
[15:01] <sommer> Fenix|work: do you want to use ssh-keys?
[15:02] <Fenix|work> yes... and at the same time I don't want sshd to prompt for credentials
[15:02] <Deeps> ssh-keygen; ssh-copy-id
[15:03] <sommer> Fenix|work: https://help.ubuntu.com/8.10/serverguide/C/openssh-server.html
[15:03] <sommer> has instructions... doesn't have ssh-copy-id though
[15:03]  * sommer needs to look into ssh-copy-id :)
[15:04] <Deeps> just takes the pub key and scp's it into .ssh/authorized_keys
[15:04] <Deeps> and sets suitable perms
[15:04] <Deeps> might be smart enough to append it if the file already exists too
[15:05] <Deeps> eitherway, it greatly simplifies the process for someone who's new to ssh keys and doesn't know how to resolve the minor tripups (like perms on the keys)
[15:05] <Deeps> in effect, lets you simplify the help you give to simply being 'ssh-keygen, ssh-copy-id' ;)
[15:06] <Fenix|work> do I need to generate a key locally if I already have a key in authorized_keys?
[15:06] <Deeps> you need your private key locally, and your public key in the authorized_keys file on the remote server
[15:07] <Fenix|work> Deeps, You're write... I phrased my question wrong
[15:08] <Fenix|work> Do I need to generate keys on the remote server if I have my local public key in authorized_keys ... to which the answer is no.
[15:08] <Fenix|work> is there also any way to tell SSHD to not allow password logins
[15:08] <Deeps> yep
[15:09] <Deeps> i think it's in the pam.d settings
[15:09] <Fenix|work> I'd like to have my home linux box on the net, but I don't want someone to hack it by being able to try username/password combos
[15:10] <Fenix|work> just simply fenix@homebox.myprivate.host and auth with my key
[15:10] <Deeps> hmm, might be "PasswordAuthentication no" in /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[15:11] <Fenix|work> I've turned on PubkeyAuthentication yes and AuthorizedKeysFile %h/.ssh/authorized_keys
[15:16] <yann2> in /etc/ssh/sshd_config turn PasswordAuthentication to no
[15:16] <yann2> oh I am 5 minutes late :)
[15:17] <yann2> will read all the log next time ^^
[15:43] <ndm_design> Hey can someone help me with a new build?
[15:44] <ndm_design> I kinda just fell into having to build a new Server for work
[15:44] <ndm_design> and am by all means not a Linux Guru
[15:45] <ndm_design> I need a board that can run Ubuntu Server Edition as hassle free as possible
[15:45] <ndm_design> And I need to run a Mirror since it will be server about a Terabyte of Video
[15:46] <ndm_design> Can I get any suggestions on boards that I wont have a problem with
[15:48] <zoopster> ndm_design: define board? as in building a server from components?
[15:48] <ndm_design> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131257
[15:48] <ndm_design> Was considering this board
[15:48] <ndm_design> So in short yes...
[15:52] <zoopster> I have a different version of the P5 that runs well...my thoughts. The Broadcom chips are known for issues with Linux...Ubuntu 8.10 allows it to install with ease
[15:52] <ndm_design> Well I planned on running 8.10 Server Edition
[15:52] <zoopster> I do not know about support for the onboard video
[15:53] <ndm_design> Wow I hadnt looked at the video chipset...
[15:53] <ndm_design> Thats some crap...
[15:55] <ndm_design> Well I've got a budget of about $800-$1000
[15:55] <ndm_design> Like I said I know Hardware I just don't know Linux all that well and need the most compatible out of the box solution possible
[16:10] <gabbler> hi does anyone know about dns resolution plese
[16:11] <ndm_design> Seriously noone has any hardware advice?
[16:13] <gabbler> ndm_design, have you thought about virtual stuff?
[16:14] <ndm_design> Not really, it just needs to be a run of the mill web server
[16:15] <ndm_design> It just has to host up a lot of video thus the Raid 1 preference
[16:15] <gabbler> not raid 5?
[16:15] <ndm_design> Well Raid 5 would be fine too...
[16:16] <ndm_design> Better obviously
[16:16] <gabbler> and what sort of advice are you after (sorry missed the original q)
[16:16] <ndm_design> Oh well thanks gabbler
[16:16] <ndm_design> I'm a Designer and just kinda had this fall into my lap
[16:16] <ndm_design> I know hardware... but I'm no Linux guru
[16:17] <ndm_design> I'm trying to put together a web server to run Ubuntu 8.10 Server edition
[16:17] <ndm_design> And would like to get hardware to have the easiest out of the box experience possible
[16:17] <gabbler> :)
[16:18] <ndm_design> Like I said I know hardware... I just don't know linux, I've been staring at chipset compatibility for days now
[16:18] <gabbler> ok isee most hardware these days is fine but if you can get some older stuff (which would be cheaper) all the better
[16:18] <ndm_design> Well I was wanting to build something socket 775 so I could just get a decent dual core xeon
[16:18] <ndm_design> and around 4 gigs of ram
[16:18] <ndm_design> the bigger issue will be the raid
[16:19] <ndm_design> www.epicktv.com
[16:19] <ndm_design> if you care to see the site it will be hosting
[16:19] <gabbler> one sec just looking
[16:19] <ndm_design> when it's all said and done there will be several terybytes of movies and tv shows hosted
[16:20] <gabbler> and i ssume you would rather hardware raid thatn software?
[16:21] <ndm_design> Well... really I just want hassle free, from what I've been reading it doesnt seem to make too much of a diffrence weather you hardware or software raid in linux
[16:21] <ndm_design> The Bosses expect me to have this thing up and running with the site migrated to the new server in like 2 or 3 days tops
[16:21] <ndm_design> I'd like to make that a reality
[16:23] <gabbler> well if software raid is ok, all you need are a couple of disks which you can configure using the install
[16:23] <gabbler> i would suggest that you get vmware server and have a play with the setup for raid and see if it works as you want
[16:23] <ndm_design> Yea I mean I'm not terrified of Linux or anything, in fact I love Ubuntu, I just dont want something thats going to stall me for days since I'm a moderate user
[16:23] <gabbler> here is a good link, a bit old but the ideas still stand
[16:23] <gabbler> http://advosys.ca/viewpoints/2007/04/setting-up-software-raid-in-ubuntu-server/
[16:24] <ndm_design> Thanks...
[16:24] <ndm_design> Any suggestions on a good board or chipset?
[16:25] <gabbler> personally i use intel most of the time
[16:26] <ndm_design> You think I'd have any problems with this? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813121328
[16:30] <zoopster> ndm_design: You are looking to high end. You can find a simple board with a nvidia or older intel video, basic ethernet for $100 on newegg with sata and add several drives using software raid (if necessary) and you are golden
[16:30] <gabbler> well i have had a look on intels website and it does have drivers for linux should you need them which is a good start
[16:31] <zoopster> Newegg has a number of great barebones boxes that fit the bill
[16:33] <zoopster> I would avoid VIA chipsets, broadcom ethernet, and ATI graphics, but you cannot go wrong with the mid-tier boxes
[16:34] <ndm_design> Thanks zoopster, looks like a lot are using broadcom though
[16:36] <ndm_design> Hey Zoop
[16:36] <ndm_design> What about XGI Video?
[16:36] <zoopster> what about xgi video
[16:36] <ndm_design> Because I like this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816110031
[16:37] <zoopster> btw...broadcom isn't an issue with 8.10, they just don't support open source as well as they should
[16:37] <zoopster> I use a mac with 8.10 and it works fine with the broadcom chip
[16:37] <ndm_design> Oh ok cool
[16:40] <zoopster> if you were going with 8.04 LTS I would not recommend broadcom
[16:40] <zoopster> well...a search on xgi shows they were bought by ATI, but the linux support in their chips stunk
[16:41] <zoopster> however if this is a server that may not be an issue since you don't need high end graphics (none if this is a server).
[16:41] <ndm_design> Man I'm really having a hard time finding a board or barebones solution that doesnt have some sort of quark
[16:41] <zoopster> so the basic vesa framebuffer will work
[16:41] <zoopster> welcome to the fragmented world of hardware today
[16:48] <ndm_design> And I thought drivers could be a bitch in a windows enviroment... boy was I wrong
[16:54] <zoopster> in linux there is workarounds to it all...for instance with xgi...the vesa driver will work fine
[16:54] <zoopster> you will only miss 3d support
[16:54] <zoopster> in windows you don't have a driver you don't have video
[16:54] <zoopster> period
[16:54] <zoopster> Linux has FAR better driver support...period
[16:54] <ndm_design> Didnt look at it like that
[16:54] <ndm_design> Fair nuff
[16:55] <Lasivian> hiya
[16:55] <Lasivian> anyone have a smtp solution to recommend besides postfix?
[16:56]  * Lasivian is apprently too stupid for postfix
[16:57] <zoopster> are you having problems with postfix
[16:57] <zoopster> you have many options...but I would still use postfix as my mta of choice
[16:57] <ScottK> Lasivian: Postfix can be a little difficult at first.  I highly recommend "The Book of Postfix".  They lay it all out very nicely there.
[17:00] <Lasivian> the problem is 5 seconds with a simple windows tool did what I could not do in 2 hours with postfix
[17:01] <Lasivian> O just need a simple smtp relay to one address from a windows program that does not have an smtp password field
[17:02] <Lasivian> http://www.softstack.com/freesmtp.html <-- that worked, but i'm mad because I wanted to use my ubuntu box instead so i'm not relying on shitty windows solutions
[17:02] <samuraipenguin> not to pass the buck, but that sounds more like an issue with that app not supporting smtpauth then with postfix -- which should be able to whitelist IPs in mynetworks.
[17:03] <lamont> telling postfix to allow the windows box to send mail through it should be trivial.
[17:03] <lamont> OTOH,  turning postfix into an open relay so that an unauthenticated sender can send mail through it is probably not what one wants to do.
[17:03] <lamont> so restricting to IP is a good answer
[17:04] <Lasivian> samuraipenguin: I have no disagreement with that conclusion, if I could find a beter raid management tool i'd be happy to use it
[17:04] <Lasivian> i'm not good enough with ubuntu to put it on my raid server
[17:05] <Lasivian> lamontL one would think, but when I try to telnet to the ubuntu box and test it I get a relay refusal
[17:06] <samuraipenguin> Lasivian: did you add the IP to 'mynetworks' in main.cf and restart postfix?
[17:23] <fht> which package or task do i have to install to get a minimal ubuntu-server when installing with pressed?
[17:24] <fht> for now i'm using tasksel/first multiselect standard
[17:24] <fht> but this installs a generic kernel and way too much packages
[17:24] <fht> even something with openoffice
[17:26] <lukehasnoname> o_O
[17:26] <lukehasnoname> what OS are you using? Ubuntu server?
[17:26] <fht> I want to install an ubuntu-server with the preseed installation method over network
[17:27] <fht> (8.10)
[17:29] <lukehasnoname> I thought I had an idea but I don't... be patient and someone more useful may come around.
[17:29] <greenfly> fht: check out the preseed file that is included on the ubuntu-server cdrom
[17:29] <greenfly> it has the basic examples of settings you need
[17:29] <fht> good idea
[17:29] <fht> thank you greenfly
[17:30] <greenfly> np
[17:36] <incidence> http://www.cpni.gov.uk/Docs/Vulnerability_Advisory_SSH.txt <- Any idea how do I prevent this vulnerability? I'm running ubuntu 6.08 lts.
[18:08] <Celephais> Hi, how can i use logical volume with kvm?
[18:55] <kees> incidence: we're still waiting to hear from upstream SSH for more details
[20:07] <Fenix|work> Greetings
[20:08] <Fenix|work> How do I turn off username and password logins in open ssh?  I just want username/key-pair logins
[20:09] <hads> /etc/ssh/sshd_config
[20:11] <Fenix|work> hads, just figured it out
[20:12] <Fenix|work> turned off all auth methods except for PubkeyAuthentication
[20:12] <Fenix|work> but me being silly forgot to restart sshd
[20:28] <lukehasnoname> sigh
[20:41] <ScottK> Anyone looking to get involved with bug fixing, Bug #299185 looks pretty easy.
[20:42]  * ScottK bets sommer could fix it.
[21:00] <sommer> ScottK: I might have time to look at it this evening, or tomorrow evening
[21:01] <ScottK> sommer: Great.  Let me know if you need a sponsor.
[21:14] <Fenix|work> Greets...
[22:10] <joerlend> I'm following this: https://help.ubuntu.com/8.10/serverguide/C/openldap-server.html
[22:11] <joerlend> there are obviously some errors in it, cause if you follow the instructions, you don't get the expected results. Under LDAP Authentication, you're asked to issue this command: sudo auth-client-config -a -p lac_ldap, but then you receive this error: Error in updating the file: 'pam_account' not found -- Errors found.  Aborting (no changes made)
[22:11] <joerlend> any help?
[22:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> just checking - are you running 8.10? (i cant help, i dont use 8.10)
[22:13] <joerlend> yes.
[22:13] <joerlend> but maybe you have better chances of understanding what's wrong?
[22:14] <joerlend> this is completely new to me.. I've been at it for a _long_ time, reading whatever I can find, but nothing works.
[22:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> i know a working guide for 8.04, no idea about 8.10 though.
[22:14] <joerlend> never setup ldap?
[22:14] <joerlend> or just never in 8.10?
[22:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> never in 8.10
[22:15] <joerlend> I suspect that it's not entirely different in 8.10? I've never done it before on any system.
[22:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> $stuff does change between releases. i'll get you the 8.04 link, see if that helps at all (even just for understanding).
[22:16] <joerlend> that'd be nice, thanks.
[22:16] <Deeps> https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/serverguide/C/openldap-server.html ? heh
[22:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> http://aj.id.au/wiki/index.php?title=Ldap_Replication - i know this works on 8.04, i used it.
[22:17] <joerlend> but I'm not doing replication, I'm doing authentication.
[22:20] <hads> It has changed from Hardy to Intrepid, the cn=config stuff came in.
[22:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> hads, ah, thats very much outside my scope
[22:21] <joerlend> I don't know where to begin.
[22:22] <joerlend> I've tried to setup ldap on ubuntu in several versions. The documentation and helpfiles on ubuntu.com are always wrong, or the packages are buggy. I don't know which.
[22:23] <joerlend> I must say, at this point, it's really tempting to give up and try another distro instead. Directory services aren't all that uncommon. It should be possible to configurei t.
[22:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> they are, however, universally a pita
[22:24] <joerlend> what does that mean?
[22:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> it means you can try other distros, and i'll bet they are equally unpleasent (depends on your idea of unpleasent though)
[22:26] <joerlend> well, as long as there is documentation and as long as the software actually works, I'm fine.
[22:26] <joerlend> I don't mind alot of hard work.
[22:26] <joerlend> I guess the problem is that everything changes every six months and nobody checks to see that the documentation is still usable?
[22:27] <Deeps> still to the LTS release
[22:27] <Deeps> stick*
[22:27] <Deeps> it's been more than 6 months since the last one was released
[22:27] <Kamping_Kaiser>  /usr/share/doc/<packagename> is the canonical reference for doco, along with man pages
[22:27] <Deeps> so the documention should be up to scratch by now
[22:27] <Deeps> and most of the bugs are ironed out
[22:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> Deeps, its not like released doco gets updated (well, i've not noticed it happen)
[22:27] <joerlend> alright, I'll give it another try.
[22:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> joerlend, its not that no one bothers, its that some things get missed
[22:28] <joerlend> seems like most things to me.
[22:28] <joerlend> I don't think I've ever been able to follow the instructions from help.ubuntu.com with success.
[22:29] <joerlend> but I will try to use hardy as client one more time.
[22:41] <joerlend> oh, thiese issues have been reported on launchpad. It doesn't work in 8.10, but did work in 8.04
[22:42] <Deeps> just because it's a linux distro doesn't mean it's not subject to the same rules as all software: new releases will always be buggy
[22:42] <joerlend> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/auth-client-config/+bug/295008
[22:43] <joerlend> Deeps, it isn't completely impossible to run some regression testing.
[22:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> on 12,000 packages?
[22:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> fwiw, i belive regression testing has been discussed in ubuntuland, no idea what happened to the idea though
[22:45] <joerlend> I think such things as ldap, nfs, openssh-server, etc should be tested, yes.
[22:46] <joerlend> it isn't a minor inconvenience if those kinds of services stop functioning after an upgrade.
[22:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> i'm pretty sure the party line on that one is 'use lts' (but thats just aiui)
[22:48] <joerlend> well, if nobody wants to use the non-lts versions, isn't it just stupid to make them?
[22:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> Ubuntus desktop targeted. aiui.
[22:50] <joerlend> hmm?
[22:51] <espacious> hello i installed mdadm and made raid1 wit my two identical disks, but when i reboot the machine fstab outputs an error (8)
[22:51] <espacious> if i press ctrl+d it boots
[23:32] <frojnd> hello there
[23:41] <Deeps> joerlend: the non-lts versions are targetted at the desktop
[23:41] <Deeps> joerlend: that being the primary focus of ubuntu, the desktop
[23:44] <joerlend> well, but thiese problems would affect both.
[23:50] <joerlend> and does.
[23:50] <joerlend> I had to upgrade my desktop to intrepid because I'm very dependent on Evolution, for instance. Most office users will be. It's also in the office that central user management is most common.
[23:51] <joerlend> connecting ubuntu desktop to Microsofts systems are getting easier and easier, but connecting ubuntu to ubuntu server is more difficult than ever.It's weird.
[23:51] <joerlend> but I will try one more time, using hardy server and hardy desktop and see if that works. I'm not optimistic though.
[23:52] <Deeps> you may find you're better off using debian as a server
[23:52] <Deeps> as that's their primary focus
[23:54] <joerlend> if this doesn't work, I'll be looking at redhat and suse.
[23:54] <Deeps> i'd definately recommend debian
[23:54] <Deeps> over redhat and suse
[23:54] <Deeps> and if i'm correct in my thinking, suse is to redhat what ubuntu is to debian
[23:54] <joerlend> does debian have a good solution for directory services and central user management? I think both redhat and suse does.
[23:55] <hads> I hear they use LDAP
[23:55] <Deeps> sitting closer to the bleeding edge of software versions than is generally healthy in a server
[23:56] <joerlend> hads, Microsoft uses LDAP too.
[23:56] <hads> Okay
[23:57] <Deeps> joerlend: in terms of maintaining and avoiding general nastiness with regards to recursive dependancies and the like, you're better off with debian
[23:57] <Deeps> joerlend: plus debian stable means precisely that. old and crusty, but stable
[23:57] <joerlend> but, as I said, I haven't given up yet. I will give this one last chance using hardy server and hardy desktops.
[23:57] <joerlend> though I _really_ would like to avoid hardy desktop.
[23:57] <[Solars]> hay hay