[00:07] <billenium> none of my browsers will open
[00:11] <dissociative> which browsers?
[00:11] <billenium> firefox and epiphany
[00:11] <billenium> When i open firefox nothing happens, when i open epiphany it just shows "Crash Recovery".
[00:13] <billenium> okay, so i started in the command line with sudo...
[00:13] <dissociative> you should try running them from a text terminal to see if there should be a revelant error message
[00:13] <billenium> it works
[00:13] <billenium> I did "sudo firefox" and it worked
[00:14] <dissociative> running those things with sudo is dangerous
[00:14] <billenium> er why?
[00:16] <dissociative> it would be easier to catch a malware or something bad or trash the system if you run firefox and so with administrative privileges
[00:17] <dissociative> etc
[00:18] <dissociative> and overall more if you dont have the lastest security updates
[00:21] <TheSheep> plus, they write files in your home directory as root, which prevents them from working as normal user then
[00:21] <TheSheep> which may be the case here
[00:21] <dissociative> yes
[00:47] <billenium> er so...
[01:13] <kids> how do we get shokewave to work in firefox?
[01:49] <Odd-rationale> kids: works?
[01:50] <kids> Odd-rationale: works great. Thanks so much.
[01:51] <kids> Odd-rationale: not to be a bother, but do you know how to get shockwave working inside firefox. I can't seem to get it to work.
[01:51] <Odd-rationale> kids: one thing i should mention is that it would be much better to reformat the drive as ext3. as ntfs fragments MUCH more heavily than ext3. and since you nolonger have windows, you have no way to defrag.
[01:51] <Odd-rationale> kids: there is no way... :(
[01:51] <Odd-rationale> kids: the work around is either to install ie4linux or firefox under wine.
[01:52] <Odd-rationale> !shockwave
[01:52] <kids> Odd-rationale: what is ie4linux. Is there anyway to change the format without losing my data?
[01:53] <Odd-rationale> kids: ies4linux is a profect to run Internet Explorer under wine in linux.
[01:54] <Odd-rationale> kids: no, there is no way you can change ntfs to ext3 without first backing up all your data somewhere else.
[01:55] <kids> When I have it backed up, how do I format it to ext3
[01:55] <Odd-rationale> !ies4linux
[01:56] <kids> Odd-rationale: When I have it backed up, how do I format it to ext3?
[01:56] <Odd-rationale> kids: the easiest way "mkfs.ext3 /dev/sdb1" or the name pf the disk
[01:56] <Odd-rationale> you can catch me if you need help doing that.
[01:56] <Odd-rationale> right now. i gtg...
[01:56] <Odd-rationale> ttyl!
[01:57] <kids> Thanks again. I really do appreciate it.
[05:25] <owen1> how to enable 256 colors on xterm? i followed this link but 'tput colors' shows 8 - http://push.cx/2008/256-color-xterms-in-ubuntu
[06:18] <pdani> hi
[06:19] <pdani> i have xfce4.4, and i automatically save session on logout. when i log in again, firefox starts on the current desktop instead of the destop it was running on before, and thunderbird doesn't start at all...
[10:17] <olistik1> hi there!
[10:17] <olistik1> I've  just downloaded xubuntu 8.10 and I'd like to install it on my eeepc 701
[10:18] <olistik1> is there a guide to install it through usb key?
[10:18] <LeAstrale> olistik1: You can use UNetbootin to make a USB Live key with it :)
[10:19] <olistik1> LeAstrale: thx :)
[10:25] <olistik1> LeAstrale: mmh but that will install *to* the usb key
[10:26] <LeAstrale> olistik1: That will create a "cd" from the USB key
[10:27] <LeAstrale> olistik1: You can boot a live enviroment in the same way too.
[10:27] <LeAstrale> I think you can do it with liveusb creator from the livecd too :)
[10:27] <LeAstrale> But ive had much luck with UNetbootin, and it supports alot more than just ubuntu
[10:56] <olistik1> LeAstrale: it seems that unetbootin rocks! =D
[10:56] <olistik1> mmh
[10:58] <LeAstrale> olistik1: It does yes :D
[10:58] <LeAstrale> And it works for the most common distros :)
[11:05] <olistik1> now a question
[11:05] <olistik1> I need a distro even text based for my eeepc (no wifi, webcam, only eth0)
[11:05] <olistik1> what is the best choice for my eeepc?
[11:05] <olistik1> 4gb hd drive ;)
[11:20] <TheSheep> olistik1: try searching the ditrowatch page
[11:20] <TheSheep> distrowatch
[11:32] <olistik1> TheSheep: thx :) I think I'll start with xubuntu live 8.10
[12:59] <juanantonio> Hello. I'm going to install xubuntu with lxde desktopOnce I do so, shall I need to download something else that it's not included in the CD?
[13:32] <volo> hi
[13:40] <gabkdlly> volo: hi
[13:49] <gabkdlly> juanantonio: I am not sure what is all included on the xubuntu CD, but I kind of doubt that lxde will be included.
[13:49] <gabkdlly> juanantonio: you might have better luck with a DVD image
[13:52] <vidd> juanantonio, yes, lxde IS included on the cd
[13:52] <gabkdlly> vidd: nice save :)
[13:52] <vidd> gabkdlly, its in the same repos as xfce...so it must be there
[13:53] <vidd> juanantonio, but your best bet is to always connect to the internet to get the apps you want
[14:07] <hhh2> try LOSTIRC as irc client is good
[14:07] <hhh2> similar to xchat
[14:14] <juanantonio> Thanks, vidd
[14:15] <juanantonio> When you explained me everything and encouraged me to install Xubuntu with lxde desktop, I read an article explaining how to install Xubuntu with XP-look
[14:16] <juanantonio> and this person told taht most of drivers are not installed unless you do so. Is that right?
[14:16] <vidd> for lxde?
[14:17] <juanantonio> Yes, I mean for example, the driver for the graphic card, for networking, for audio
[14:17] <juanantonio> he told that he had to install medibuntu
[14:19] <juanantonio> Shall I need to do the same thing
[14:20] <juanantonio> ?
[14:32] <juanantonio> I return later, bye
[15:29] <Guest28987> hi can anybody help please?
[15:29] <Guest28987> im having an installation problem
[15:33] <vidd> Guest28987, what is the issue?
[15:35] <Guest28987> oky
[15:35] <Guest28987> im trying to install ubuntu
[15:36] <Guest28987> but it wont instlal
[15:36] <Guest28987> install
[15:36] <Guest28987> error reading bot CD
[15:36] <vidd> which disk are you using??
[15:36] <vidd> desktop or alt cd?
[15:36] <vidd> and how did you burn it?
[15:36] <Guest28987> 700 mb capacity cd
[15:37] <Guest28987> rw cd
[15:37] <Guest28987> used software at a fairly quick speed
[15:37] <Guest28987> slowing the speed down results in a better burn?
[15:37] <vidd> what software?
[15:37] <vidd> it depends.....
[15:37] <Guest28987> cdburnerxp
[15:38] <vidd> did the machine you are trying to install on the same machine that burned the disk?
[15:38] <Guest28987> no
[15:38] <Guest28987> burned it onto main conmputer
[15:38] <vidd> ok....but the cd into this machine (the one you are talking to me on)
[15:39] <vidd> is the data on it [something].iso? or are there a bunch of folders?
[15:44] <vidd> Guest28987, ^^^^
[15:46] <Guest28987> sorry
[15:46] <Guest28987> back
[15:46] <Guest28987> i downloaded the ubuntu iso and then put a blank cd into the rom
[15:46] <vidd> Guest28987, is the data on it [something].iso? or are there a bunch of folders?
[15:46] <Guest28987> then i put the iso cd into the laptop
[15:46] <Guest28987> but I/O error occured
[15:47] <vidd> Guest28987, please put the cd into this machine....i need to know if the data on it is one file call [something].iso, or if there are several files and folders on it
[15:48] <Guest28987> okay im reburning the cd
[15:49] <Guest28987> ill run it on this machine to see if it works, then ill run it on the laptop and if it doesnt, its the laptop
[15:49] <vidd> Guest28987, can you just answer the question????
[15:50] <vidd> the last time you burned it, did you simply copy the iso file to the disk or did you unpack it on the disk?
[15:50] <Guest28987> copied the iso to the disk, then put the disk in the laptop
[15:50] <vidd> if you do the same thing as you did before, the results will likely be the same
[15:51] <Guest28987> im burning at a slower speed
[15:51] <vidd> no
[15:51] <vidd> that will do nothing
[15:51] <vidd> you need your software to unpack the ISO and make a boot disk out of it
[15:52] <vidd> !iso
[15:52] <vidd> ....
[15:53] <vidd> Guest28987, http://www.fixya.com/support/t217500-make_bootdisk_from_iso_image
[16:00] <Guest28987> thank you
[16:01] <Guest28987> where do i type that command?
[16:04] <vidd> Guest28987, its not a command....its a web page
[16:04] <vidd> Guest28987, and dont PM me!
[16:07] <Guest28987> !md5
[16:13] <vidd> Guest28987, did you check out that website i posted for you on the proper way to burn an ISO?
[16:14] <Guest28987> yes
[16:14] <Guest28987> downloaded the program
[16:17] <Guest28987> ive installed it
[16:17] <Guest28987> but i can not find the program onto the computer
[16:17] <iwkse> hello, which package i need to install to get internationalization?
[16:17] <vidd> right click the .iso and choose "open with"
[16:18] <vidd> and select the burner you just installed
[16:18] <TheSheep> iwkse: go to system->language support and select the languages you want, it will install the required files automatically
[16:21] <Guest28987> okay
[16:27] <iwkse> TheSheep, thanks
[16:47] <juanantonio> Hi everyone. What's the BitTorrent clients consumming the least resources in the repos of Buntu?
[16:47] <Odd-rationale> rtorrent
[16:48] <Odd-rationale> !info rtorrent
[16:48] <Odd-rationale> it runs from console.
[16:49] <Odd-rationale> here's a good intro: http://polishlinux.org/apps/p2p/rtorrent-console-p2p/
[16:53] <kc0taf> Need to down load 8.10 iso but have restricts
[16:54] <kc0taf> because I am on a satlite internet I have Far Access restrictions on
[16:54] <kc0taf> how much I can download in a day.
[16:55] <kc0taf> How ever I have a window were there is no limit.
[16:55] <kc0taf> I need a program that can download in that window but if
[16:56] <kc0taf> it can't finish it will stop and start up later and finish in that window of time.
[16:58] <vidd> kc0taf, then you want to get the iso via bittorrent
[16:59] <vidd> kc0taf, the way it works it it will download as fast as it can, as much as it can, and will continue trying untill it has the entire file
[17:08] <MyTaurus> Need help downloading Xubuntu 8.10 iso in a specific window of time
[17:09] <MyTaurus> Any programs out there that does this.
[17:09] <juanantonio> thanks, ubottu, but I need a graphical, not console yet
[17:10] <MyTaurus> If it does not complete the download it will finish the next day in that time window.
[17:37] <vidd> MyTaurus, you will want to use bit torrent to download the iso
[17:49] <MyTaurus> Does bit torrent have a schedular in it?
[17:50] <Odd-rationale> no, but if you can pause and resume anytime...
[17:52] <TheSheep> Odd-rationale: same with ftp and http
[17:54] <MyTaurus> I have a satelite internet and have what is called Far Access limited to only 250 Mb a day download
[17:54] <MyTaurus> But I have a window very early in the morning from 1 am to 6 am that is free from the Far Access.
[17:55] <MyTaurus> I was trying to find a program to download between these time and stop if not complete.
[17:55] <MyTaurus> then restart the next days window of time.
[17:55] <MyTaurus> Looks like I will have to script this one out.
[17:56] <MyTaurus> I shouldn't say restart but continue the download.
[17:58] <vidd> MyTaurus, so then log on at any time during that window and download
[17:59] <vidd> do you have a linux install already?
[17:59] <vidd> if so, you can set up a cron job
[18:01] <vidd> MyTaurus, you also might want to do the net install....
[18:01] <vidd> MyTaurus, the net install iso is only 10MB
[18:01] <vidd> !mini
[18:04] <MyTaurus> I tried net install before and will never do it again. I had more failures then you can count. Mostly from packages being moved or unavalible.
[18:05] <MyTaurus> I will look at the minimal
[18:07] <vidd> MyTaurus, i have done over 90 net installs with *buntu over the years....never failed yet
[18:08] <vidd> MyTaurus, and the nice thing about the net installer is that you can install any official *buntu with the same installer disk
[18:09] <MyTaurus> vidd, I have satelite internet with a long lag time, Hughes network to be specific
[18:10] <Chaser> vidd: can I install ubuntu studio for ex ?
[18:10] <Chaser> coz I was trying to install Ubuntu studio over USB which failed and I dont have a dvd writer
[18:10] <Chaser> *from USB
[18:11] <vidd> Chaser, install the cli-only, edit your repos, update apt, and apt-get the rest
[18:12] <vidd> Chaser, that is assuming that ubuntu studio is not just ubuntu with extra stuff added
[18:13] <Chaser> vidd: I guess it has more packages / source list than Ubuntu.
[18:14] <Chaser> and the Installation from USB stick does not work
[18:15] <vidd> Chaser, then install the cli-only from the mini
[18:16] <Chaser> vidd: thanks I will try and see what happens
[18:17] <vidd> Chaser,  follow these instructions :
[18:17] <vidd> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/UpgradingFromHardy
[18:18] <vidd> you can just install vanilla ubuntu
[18:18] <vidd> then upgrade
[18:18] <Chaser> cool much simpler
[18:19] <vidd> Chaser, actuall....you can do this from the CLI-only too
[18:19] <vidd> the instructions have the -desktop package
[18:20] <Chaser> where did you get those instructions ? I thought I have to fire it up to see what it offers
[18:20] <Chaser> I mean fire up the cd with minimal iso
[18:21] <vidd> Chaser, burn the mini, at the boot, type cli
[18:21] <Chaser> cool will check it out
[18:21] <vidd> after the install completes, reboot and type "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install ubuntustudio-desktop
[18:22] <Chaser> ok
[18:22] <vidd> and this is why i LOVE the mini!
[18:23] <Chaser> yea its much better than burning different disks (for those who dont bother network usage)
[18:23] <vidd> no need to dist-upgrade after the install completes either....it gets the latest and greatest during the install
[18:24] <Chaser> yea thats an added bonus ...
[18:26] <Mooch> How do you configure Xubuntu to just download security updates only
[18:30] <Mooch> are all 300 and something updates really necessary?
[18:43] <vidd> Mooch, check out https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports
[18:44] <stefan__> hi, My friend had a few security problems, and someone in here told me I should re-disable the root login, but how?
[18:47] <vidd> stefan__, edit your /etc/shadow file
[18:48] <vidd> on the first line, replace the string between the first ":" and the second ":" with !
[18:49] <vidd> stefan__, so the first line should say  "root:!:[other stuff here]
[18:49] <stefan__> ok thats already that way
[18:49] <vidd> then root login is disabled
[18:49] <stefan__> and how do I regenerate the ssh key?
[18:50] <stefan__> just run ssh-keygn?
[18:50] <stefan__> +e?
[18:52] <stefan__> did that, and I got a long string of numbers ^^
[18:52] <vidd> stefan__, consult http://www.eos.ncsu.edu/remoteaccess/man/ssh-keygen.html
[18:54] <stefan__> can't I simply disable ssh? ^^
[18:54] <vidd> stefan__, personnally...i would apt-get remove --purge the ssh server and re-make it
[18:54] <vidd> stefan__, yes, sudo apt-get reove --purge [open ssh program]
[18:54] <stefan__> ok thx
[18:54] <vidd> stefan__, yes, sudo apt-get remove --purge [open ssh program]
[18:55] <stefan__> anything else that needs to be removed so noone can login on this pc?
[18:56] <vidd> stefan__, if the system has been compromised, it is actually best to back up critical data files, format and re-install fresh
[18:56] <vidd> this is the only way to guarantee a root-kit-free system
[18:57] <vidd> you dont "fix" a compromised system, you replace it
[18:57] <stefan__> I thought it would be root free first time i installed it ^^
[18:57] <stefan__> but somehow someone got access
[18:57] <vidd> not "root-free"....."root-kit-free"
[18:57] <vidd> !rootkit
[18:57] <stefan__> yes I know what that is =)
[18:57] <stefan__> sry
[18:58] <vidd> a root kit is spyware on steriods
[18:59] <stefan__> I thought xubuntu would be an easy way to get him a user friendly system,.. dunno what went wrong :/
[19:02] <vidd> stefan__, on your fresh install, i would install a root kit hunter (sudo apt-get install rkhunter) and a firewall configuration tool (sudo apt-get install firestarter)
[19:04] <vidd> stefan__, what was the security problem?
[19:04] <stefan__> Never had any problems back when I was using debian ^^
[19:04] <stefan__> like a vnc attack
[19:04] <stefan__> login
[19:04] <vidd> stefan__, your user must have turned on remote desktop login
[19:05] <stefan__> he doesn't even know how to surf to the options :D
[19:05] <vidd> he probably remoted in from a compromised windows machine
[19:05] <vidd> stefan__, its in the system menu
[19:06] <stefan__> I know but he even got problems with that
[19:06] <stefan__> total pc newbie
[19:06] <vidd> sorry..."settings" menu
[19:07] <vidd> if the windows machine has a keylogger, its very easy to follow the user into the linux box
[19:07] <vidd> once the username and password are obtained, he's done
[19:08] <vidd> you might want to create a second, unpriviledged user account (no sudo rights)
[19:09] <stefan__> I'm not quite getting which windows machine you mean
[19:09] <vidd> and give make the "master" account unable to log in remotely
[19:09] <vidd> M$
[19:10] <stefan__> still no clue :D
[19:10] <vidd> M$ windows...aka "not linux"
[19:10] <stefan__> I know windows
[19:11] <stefan__> ^^ but I don't know where the keylogger you mean
[19:11] <stefan__> what
[19:11] <stefan__> -where
[19:11] <TheSheep> stefan__: suppose the windows machine is running some sort of malware that catches every keypress and sends it to the evil hackers :)
[19:11] <vidd> one of the most common spyware apps are keyloggers on windows machines
[19:12] <stefan__> yes but if I boot linux there is no windows =)
[19:12] <vidd> stefan__, so its a dual-boot machine?
[19:12] <stefan__> it is, but since linux is on this computer, noone uses windows :D
[19:13] <stefan__> too slow ^^ and ugly :)
[19:13] <vidd> so how did they know they were compromised?
[19:13] <stefan__> its btw a fresh installed windows ... there should be no spyware
[19:13] <stefan__> compromised?
[19:13] <vidd> stefan__, you dont REALLY believe that?
[19:14] <stefan__> I don't believe what?
[19:14] <vidd> you said they had a security breach
[19:14] <vidd> fresh installed windows != malware free
[19:15] <stefan__> yes, they saw (saw? past from see I mean ^^ ) the mouse flying over the screen when doing nothing, and When I turned ob the system a few hours ago, i even had no xfce4-panel
[19:15] <vidd> without a properly configured firewall, a windows machine will be compromised in anywhere between 2-24 minutes of broadband access
[19:15] <vinnl> stefan__, that's "normal"
[19:15] <vinnl> stefan__, optical mouses do that
[19:15] <vinnl> And the panel thing unfortunately happens more often :(
[19:16] <vinnl> But that's just a bug
[19:16] <stefan__> but it doesn't go around starting clicking somewhere
[19:16] <vinnl> stefan__, oh, no, it does't :P
[19:16] <vinnl> *shouldn't
[19:16] <xuburant> vinnl, what happens? i just walked in.
[19:17] <vinnl> xuburant, apparently there's something with stefan__'s computer, but I fell in the conversation as well, I just like to butt in ;-)
[19:17] <xuburant> :P i was just wondering if i might be able to reproduce the bug
[19:17] <vidd> stefan__, couple things..... first...assume the system has been compromised
[19:18] <vidd> if there are any critical data files (pictures, stories, last year's tax reciepts, etc) back them up to removable media
[19:18] <stefan__> what I still don't get is that keylogger thing,.. the windows I installed has another password then the linux users do, and windows can't log anything when I boot linux, can it?
[19:19] <vidd> stefan__, i had assumed that the user remoted into his linux system from a windows machine
[19:19] <vidd> but back to recommendations......
[19:20] <stefan__> no way, he is a total noob and never COULD have done something like that :D
[19:20] <vidd> once all data is back-ed up, wipe out both the linux and windows installs
[19:20] <vidd> if he wants windows on the system, reinstall windows first
[19:21] <stefan__> and start all over again with rkhunter and firestarter
[19:21] <vidd> when you install windows, NO NOT HAVE THE MACHINE CONNECTED TO THE INTERNET untill after you have the firewall configured
[19:21] <vidd> (windows firewall)
[19:21] <stefan__> yes vidd, thx =)
[19:22] <vidd> once the windows is up-todate (if you choose to install windows) install linux
[19:23] <stefan__> because otherwise its a little harder to deal with grub I know that ;)
[19:23] <stefan__> Did it a few hundert times back when I started using linux :D
[19:23] <vidd> also, does this machine connect to the internet through a modem directly, or thru a router?
[19:23] <stefan__> router
[19:24] <stefan__> and in a few hours with wlan -.-
[19:24] <vidd> then lock down your router's firewall
[19:24] <stefan__> so the security is gone anyway :D
[19:25] <vidd> make all ping requests drop down a well
[19:26] <vidd> use the tools on dyndns.org to make sure your network is stealthed
[19:27] <vidd> stefan__, they are setting up a wireless network?
[19:27] <stefan__> I'm doing that
[19:28] <stefan__> I want my 25m lan cable back :D
[19:28] <vidd> i have a few recommendations for that =]
[19:28] <beppi> anybody familiar with setting up older hardware?  in particular gpib cards?
[19:28] <stefan__> so? ^^
[19:29] <vidd> when you set up the wireless router, set up encryption and MAC filtering
[19:30] <stefan__> wouldn't have done it without MAC =)
[19:30] <vidd> wifi networks add just that much more vulnerability
[19:30] <vidd> MAC addresses can be spoofed
[19:31] <vidd> and encryption keys can be cracked
[19:31] <stefan__> yes thats clear to me =)
[19:32] <stefan__> nothing is really secure ^^
[19:32] <vidd> add them both, and it makes it that much harder on the hacker.....
[19:32] <stefan__> btw rkhunter checked everything,.. nothing found
[19:32] <vidd> it encourages them to move on to an easier target  =]
[19:33] <stefan__> would really suprise me if there is a wlan hacker in this little town ^^
[19:33] <vidd> stefan__,  rkhunter isnt fool proof
[19:34] <vidd> and it sounds more like recon then an invasion
[19:37] <beppi> anybody good with old hardware at all?
[19:37] <vidd> stefan__, you need to inform your user about password security
[19:37] <vidd> beppi, what hardware?
[19:38] <beppi> Trying to setup an old ISA GPIB card
[19:38] <stefan__> I already did,.. I also told him, not to surf porn sites anymore :D
[19:38] <vidd> =| what is a GPIB card?
[19:39] <vidd> stefan__, yeah...right...."Here's a corvette....dont speed"
[19:39] <beppi> old standard, its IEE488.1
[19:39] <vidd> what does it do?
[19:39] <stefan__> xD
[19:39] <beppi> connects to really old hardware...
[19:40] <beppi> and instruments used in lab settings, places like that.
[19:41] <vidd> http://linux-gpib.sourceforge.net/
[19:41] <beppi> checked there...I have the packages, i'm just getting stuck at the gpib.conf part.
[19:41] <stefan__> so good bye and thx for the support vidd
[19:42] <vidd> beppi, did you look ------>http://linux-gpib.sourceforge.net/doc_html/r23.html
[19:42] <beppi> i'm still a newb, is there some simple way to list the hardware that isn't set up on a machine?  I tried dmesg | grep xxx but got nothing.
[19:42] <vinnl> Btw, has anybody here managed to get PHPEclipse running?
[19:42] <beppi> Yep, checked there too, but I think I'm just an idiot.
[19:43] <vidd> beppi, unfortunantly...so am i with oddball hardware =\
[19:43] <beppi> it just doesn't make any sense to me vidd.
[19:57] <Mooch> hey vidd do you have 8.11 xubuntu
[19:57] <vidd> Mooch, 8.10
[19:58] <vidd> there is no 8.11
[19:58] <Mooch> oh yeah sorry how do you compare to 8.04
[19:58]  * vidd reserves comment
[19:59] <vidd> encryption support is built in if that is important to you
[20:00] <Mooch> is that like extra security
[20:00] <vidd> yes
[20:00] <vinnl> vidd, you still have to install that, right? (You're talking about ecryptfs or something?)
[20:01] <Mooch> well then yes its important just curious to know the difference between the two
[20:01] <vidd> vinnl, yes'
[20:01] <vinnl> OK :)
[20:01] <vidd> Mooch, its not important to me
[20:01] <vinnl> Mooch, there's also the new NetworkManager
[20:01] <vidd> *groan*
[20:01] <vidd> wb stefan__
[20:02] <stefan__> hi thx =)
[20:02] <Mooch> I am thinking of getting the iso file of 804 I just hope it won't be a nightmare installing it
[20:02]  * vidd trashed the nm in favor of wicd
[20:02] <vidd> Mooch, if you already have 8.04, why not just upgrade?
[20:03] <vinnl> Mooch, if the LiveCD runs then you're already well along, and that's without risk :)
[20:03] <Mooch> I don't I have 6.06 LTS cd which oh boy has 325 updates so ....
[20:03] <vidd> you obviously have internet =]
[20:03] <Mooch> yeah
[20:04] <vidd> Mooch, what version you currently running?
[20:04] <stefan__> having some wlan problems, connected the stick, activated and configurated the network, unplugged the lan cable, everything went well, to be sure I made a reboot, now the system tells me "new drivers are beeing "limited" used"
[20:04] <Mooch> ummm 2.6 forgot now
[20:04] <vidd> Mooch, ????
[20:05] <stefan__> and there is no connection to the internet, the driver is enabled
[20:05] <Mooch> I think I went up to 2.6 50 and then my modem stop working
[20:05] <vidd> stefan__, what does lspci tell you the network card is?
[20:05] <vidd> Mooch, that is the kernel.....which version of *buntu
[20:06] <Mooch> xbuntu 6.06 LTS
[20:06] <Mooch> upgrade from Ubuntu 6.06 LTS
[20:06] <vidd> Mooch, i would recommend that you do a server upgrade
[20:07] <stefan__> Can only find the ethernet card oO do I need to reconnect the wlan stick?
[20:07] <Mooch> hmmmm really why tell me
[20:08] <vidd> update manager has issues because of drastic changes between 6.06 and either 6.10 or 7.04 (dont remember wich)
[20:08] <vidd> stefan__, if the wifi card is not installed....how is the system supposed to use it?
[20:08] <vidd> stefan__, or is it a usb thing?
[20:08] <stefan__> it did =) yes usb stick
[20:09] <Mooch> Do you think doing the iso install might be a issue?
[20:09] <vidd> stefan__, then lsusb
[20:09] <stefan__> FRITZ!WLAN
[20:09] <stefan__> Bus 004 Device 005: ID 057c:6201 AVM GmbH WLAN USB v1.1
[20:10] <vidd> Mooch, i would use the mini if you have no weird networking considerations
[20:10] <vidd> !mini
[20:10] <vidd> stefan__, what does iwconfig tell you?
[20:10] <vidd> stefan__, post it in pastebin
[20:11] <vidd> !pastebin | stefan__
[20:11] <stefan__> I know what a pastebin is =)
[20:11] <Mooch> well I plan on using this computer for strictly Xubuntu and I have another which I plan on using for a dualboot
[20:12] <vidd> Mooch, in that case...definantly get the mini iso
[20:12] <stefan__> http://rafb.net/p/6Qcze034.html
[20:12] <vidd> the mini has lighter installation requirements
[20:12] <vidd> stefan__, sorry...force of habit
[20:13] <stefan__> force of habit ? oO
[20:13] <Mooch> yeah I figured that I have a friend of mine downloading the iso file for me because I am running on dial up
[20:13] <vidd> Mooch, dial-up? in that case....get the alt cd
[20:14] <vidd> Mooch, dial-up is not conducive for net install
[20:14] <vidd> (takes forever)
[20:14] <stefan__> so you can't help vidd ?
[20:14] <vidd> and most dial-up modems are not enabled by default
[20:14] <vidd> stefan__, im still looking
[20:14] <Mooch> whats the difference between the alt cd and the desktop
[20:14] <stefan__> ok
[20:15] <vidd> !desktop
[20:15] <vidd> !live
[20:15] <vidd> !alt
[20:15] <vidd> there we go =]
[20:16] <Mooch> oh my overwhelming info :)
[20:16] <stefan__> wait, I think somehow the ke got changed :/
[20:16] <Mooch> so the alt cd in the long run in most cases is the best way to go
[20:16] <vidd> that would do it stefan__
[20:17] <stefan__> but how did it change oO
[20:17] <vidd> Mooch, i HATE the live(desktop) installer
[20:17] <Mooch> why
[20:17] <vidd> stefan__, it is possible that the key wasnt saved properly before reboot
[20:17] <vinnl> Mooch, with the Desktop CD you can see whether it works, that's important to know too
[20:17] <stefan__> ok
[20:18] <vidd> Mooch, the only thing i use live cd's is to recover data from M$ based machines before i use the mini to formate them and install linux
[20:18] <SmoothPorcupine> I have 13 gigabytes of data I intend to keep.
[20:18] <Mooch> vinnl: I am gonna use the desktop for my other pc for dual boot
[20:19] <SmoothPorcupine> I installed a new hard drive in my computer last night, /dev/sdd.
[20:19] <vidd> Mooch, the live does have the wubi installer
[20:19] <vidd> !wubi
[20:20] <Mooch> but vidd did give me some advantages of the mini for this older comp
[20:20] <SmoothPorcupine> It had some partitions and data, and I moved stuff around formatting it to Linux and stuff.
[20:20] <SmoothPorcupine> And I also mv'd the contents of a few drives there.
[20:20] <Mooch> thats what I want right there Wubi for my windows comp
[20:21] <SmoothPorcupine> Now when I booted up /dev/sdd1 and /dev/sdd2 did not exist.
[20:21] <vidd> Mooch, just be forewarned....wubi breaks if the kernel gets updated
[20:21] <Mooch> dough!
[20:21] <vidd> SmoothPorcupine, did you add them to your fstab?
[20:22] <vidd> Mooch, that is D'OH
[20:22] <vidd> =]
[20:22] <SmoothPorcupine> When I managed to get Xubuntu to create those files, I try to mount and it says "wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdd1, missing codepage or helper program, or other error"
[20:22] <vinnl> ^.^
[20:22] <Mooch> so the alt cd is the best way to go in terms of upgrading for my older comp?
[20:23] <vidd> Mooch, no....
[20:23] <Mooch> confused
[20:23] <vidd> it is the best way for fresh-installing your older comp
[20:23] <vidd> upgrading is best done though upgrading =]
[20:24] <Mooch> ah ok well I wanna do a fresh install
[20:24] <SmoothPorcupine> Oh, and my question would be, what's wrong with my partitions?
[20:24] <vidd> Mooch, then yes....alt is best for your relic
[20:25] <vidd> SmoothPorcupine, did you add them to your fstab?
[20:25] <Mooch> it shouldn't be a problem installing over the current version of Xubuntu right?
[20:25] <SmoothPorcupine> Why would I do that?
[20:25] <vidd> SmoothPorcupine, so your system can find them?
[20:26] <vidd> Mooch, you have data you want saved?
[20:26] <SmoothPorcupine> /etc/fstab is not how the system looks for partitions is it?
[20:26] <stefan__> no effect, there is still that driver "warning" I had after the reboot,... the first time it did its job without any error ... and now nothing :/
[20:27] <Mooch> not really except my modem but I am gonna have to upgrade my driver anyways because the driver I have is for this version only
[20:27] <vidd> SmoothPorcupine, File System TABle
[20:27] <SmoothPorcupine> Doesn't it look some other way and then try to mount and stuff, using fstab?
[20:27] <SmoothPorcupine> I have root access, so I don't need fstab to mount stuff.
[20:28] <SmoothPorcupine> I was able to mount just fine last night.
[20:29] <Mooch> vidd:  what about dvd media support for 8.04 Xubuntu is it good or bad?
[20:30] <vidd> SmoothPorcupine, if you moved critical system files to that drive, then fstab must have it so your system can find those files
[20:32] <SmoothPorcupine> Critical system files are replaceable, the drive contains personal data.
[20:32] <SmoothPorcupine> It doesn't need to be seen by the system.
[20:33] <vidd> SmoothPorcupine, then you should have no problem mounting the drive
[20:33] <stefan__> how do I test the connection strength of a wlan network? Thats the only thing that I could imagine could be the cause of the problem :/
[20:34] <vidd> have you checked to make sure that your bios is assigning the drives in the correct order for your mount command?
[20:34] <SmoothPorcupine> Yes, but I do get problems, is the problem.
[20:35] <vidd> SmoothPorcupine, can you pastebin the output of your mount command?
[20:35] <vidd> !pastebin | SmoothPorcupine
[20:35] <SmoothPorcupine> Mounting the partition?
[20:35] <vidd> stefan__, see....force of habit =]
[20:35] <vidd> SmoothPorcupine, yes
[20:36] <stefan__> what does force of habit mean -.-
[20:36] <Mooch> vidd how is dvd media support for Xubuntu 8.04
[20:36] <vidd> Mooch, i have never had any issues with dvd support
[20:36] <SmoothPorcupine> http://paste.ubuntu.com/73470/
[20:36] <vidd> even as far back as breezy
[20:37] <Mooch> great I can't play my dvds on dapper at all
[20:37] <Mooch> missing codecs looks like
[20:37] <vidd> SmoothPorcupine, is the drive formatted in ext2?
[20:37] <stefan__> another test now -.-
[20:37] <SmoothPorcupine> I would hope so.
[20:37] <SmoothPorcupine> I did it last night.
[20:38] <vidd> Mooch, sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs gxine
[20:38] <Mooch> let me write this down .........
[20:38] <vinnl> Mooch, note that this installs the Gxine media player
[20:39] <vidd> SmoothPorcupine, and what did dmesg | tail tell you (since the error told you to run that)?
[20:39] <vinnl> Also, somewhere after Dapper, a feature was added to the Movie Player that automatically makes it find the correct codecs
[20:39] <vidd> vinnl, Mooch i have never had any luck with totem
[20:39] <Mooch> I gave up on it
[20:40] <vidd> Mooch, hehe me too
[20:40] <Mooch> too much of a brainteaser
[20:40] <SmoothPorcupine> http://paste.ubuntu.com/73472/
[20:41] <Mooch> vinni gxine is that a good media player
[20:41] <vinnl> Mooch, all depends on your preference, vidd  obviously thinks so :)
[20:42] <Mooch> vidd: I am going to add you to my buddy list because I am gonna try the dual boot thing pretty soon and you too vinni
[20:43] <Mooch> gonna need some help with it
[20:43] <Mooch> and the iso file
[20:43] <vidd> SmoothPorcupine, i have never used ext2 file format, and the error isnt jumping out at me
[20:44] <Mooch> vidd: I appreciate the feedback and help
[20:45] <Mooch> vinnl: U too thanks:)
[20:45] <vinnl> yw :)
[20:45] <SmoothPorcupine> vidd, okay, but if I was deleting and creating partitions last night, formatting them, moving stuff around, is it possible that they partitions were formatted to the wrong place?
[20:46] <SmoothPorcupine> that the*
[20:46] <vidd> SmoothPorcupine, idk...i dont play around with partitions like that
[20:46] <vidd> i build them and leave them
[20:47] <Mooch> vinni you offline?
[20:47] <vinnl> vinnl, no, I'm here :)
[20:47] <vinnl> Mooch I mean xD
[20:47] <Mooch> ah ok I spelled your name wrong
[20:48] <vinnl> Mooch, you can type the first few lettesr of a name and press Tab to have it autocomplete
[20:48] <SmoothPorcupine> Any links on diagnosing the error message I get?
[20:48] <SmoothPorcupine> Or just dumping whatever can be figured out about a partition?
[20:48] <Mooch> I am trying to add you to my buddy list
[20:49] <Mooch> is that a i or a l
[20:49] <vinnl> Mooch, which IRC application are you using>
[20:49] <vidd> Mooch, buddy list?
[20:49] <vinnl> Mooch, an L
[20:49] <vinnl> From "NL" from "The Netherlands" :)
[20:49] <Mooch> yeah vidd got you on there
[20:49] <vidd> vinnl, i think he wants me
[20:49] <vidd> not that your not important =]
[20:49] <vinnl> :P
[20:50] <Mooch> yeah right
[20:50] <mw88> hi
[20:50] <vinnl> Hey mw88
[20:50] <Mooch> vidd ur crazy
[20:51] <Mooch> well let me head out all talk to you soon when I get this iso file
[20:51] <mw88> I have a question about using xfce with gnome on the eee-pc with the netbook-remix-gui...
[20:51] <Mooch> which should be hopefully tomorrow
[20:52] <Mooch> later all.......................8-)
[20:52] <vinnl> Bye
[20:52] <vidd> Mooch, i might not be here
[20:52] <mw88> xfce seems to load the same programs on startup as gnome does, so the netbook launcher for example, is there a way to set up a seperate list of services on xfce login so the netbook gui won't show up?
[20:52] <vidd> tommorrow is my day off
[20:53] <Mooch> oh ok vidd well probably be on thursday
[20:53] <vinnl> mw88, I don't think Xfce is supposed to start the same programs... Perhaps some GNOME application is pulling them in? gnome-session perhaps, is that running?
[20:53] <mw88> yes
[20:54] <Mooch> see you guys later
[20:54] <mw88> I found sessions in the xfce-settings manager but disabling apps there will also disable them in gnome so it seems to be the same backend
[20:55] <vinnl> Oh, OK... Then I have no idea how you'd do that... :(
[20:55] <mw88> hm
[20:55] <mw88> do you know if there are different login scripts for xfce and gnome?
[20:56] <mw88> well, I think I could find this information in google ^^
[20:56] <vinnl> Well, I'd suppose there were
[20:56] <vinnl> Yeah :)
[20:56] <mw88> but I have another question...
[20:57] <SmoothPorcupine> Suppose I didn't umount an ext2fs before shutting down... Would it be automatically unmounted or...
[20:57] <mw88> the netbook-remix-gui uses a special gtk-theme, when I log in to xfce it seems to use this theme instead of the xfce-themes I set up in the settings
[20:57] <mw88> it should force a check on reboot
[20:58] <vinnl> Sorry, wouldn't know either... And I can't find an Ubuntu Netbook Remix IRC channel as well :(
[20:58] <vinnl> Perhaps you'll have more luck in #ubuntu
[20:59] <mw88> yes, thx for your help
[21:02] <stefan__> vidd, still there ? I'm over wlan and super happy :D just one more thing I need to know, I had to change the network settings to the one I stored, How can I start them by default?
[21:06] <vidd> stefan__, idk i use a different application for managing networks
[21:09] <SmoothPorcupine> Okay, now I'm getting somewhere: |# debugfs -c /dev/sdd1| -> "Bad magic number in super-block while opening filesystem"
[21:10] <SmoothPorcupine> So do I set it to 3 or 7? :B
[21:20] <nunu> vidd, I'm stefan__  The connections seems to be very instable at my friends pc, but what bugs me most is that the connection settings seem to reset themselves,.. need to go to bed but I'm sure I can't sleep with that problem in mind :D
[21:21] <vidd> nunu, then do this: get wicd as the network manager....
[21:21] <vidd> !wicd
[21:22] <vidd> http://wicd.sourceforge.net/
[21:22] <vidd> !info wicd
[21:23] <nunu> wicd ok,... would have tried it the old fassion way via nano and etc =)
[21:23]  * vidd hates network-admin
[21:24] <nunu> ^^
[21:25] <vinnl> vidd, then you'll be happy to hear that it is not longer available in 8.10 ;-)
[21:25] <vidd> vinnl, nm?
[21:26] <vidd> !network-manager
[21:26] <vinnl> vidd, network-admin
[21:26] <vidd> !network-admin
[21:27] <vidd> !gnome-network-admin
[21:27] <vidd> !info gnome-network-admin
[21:28] <vidd> vinnl, looks like its still there to me
[21:28] <vinnl> vidd, oh... Well, I couldn't find it in the menu at least :P
[21:28] <vinnl> If it's in universe, it isn't in Ubuntu, so I suppose it might not be in Xubuntu as well
[21:29] <vidd> vinnl, all of xubuntu is in universe
[21:29] <vidd> !xfce
[21:29] <vidd> !info xfce
[21:29] <vinnl> vidd, yeah but Ubuntu isn't and it used to be in Ubuntu as well
[21:29] <vidd> !info xfce4
[21:30] <vidd> !info lxde
[21:30] <vidd> =]
[21:30] <dcolish> vidd, !info awesome
[21:30] <vidd> lxde FTW!
[21:30] <dcolish> !info awesome
[21:31] <vidd> dcolish, lxde wins
[21:31] <vinnl> xD
[21:31] <vidd> !info flubuntu-desktop
[21:31] <vidd> !info fluxbuntu-desktop
[21:32] <vidd> !info fluxbox
[21:32] <dcolish> vidd: no until you run it and it's lame
[21:32] <dcolish> !info openbox
[21:33] <vidd> dcolish, what problem you have with lxde?
[21:33] <dcolish> vidd: complete lack of customization. I'm really liking awesome these days, Xmonad is nice too
[21:34] <vidd> dcolish,  LACK of customization??????
[21:34] <vidd> dcolish, thats all ive been doing with lxde
[21:34] <dcolish> vidd: ok, well what can you customize?
[21:35] <vidd> everything
[21:35] <vidd> its linux
[21:35] <vidd> everything is customizable =]
[21:35] <dcolish> care to give an example?
[21:35] <Odd-rationale> i've switched to wmii... as i like tiling wm.
[21:36] <vidd> what file manager to use
[21:36] <dcolish> Odd-rationale: i tried wmii, its nice too
[21:36] <Odd-rationale> for fm, i use bash.
[21:36] <vidd> how blah i can make the desktop without making it useless....
[21:37] <Odd-rationale> dcolish: are you on awesome3?
[21:37] <dcolish> vidd: i'm telling you, try out awesome or dvm or wmii, or any tiling window manager
[21:37]  * vidd likes pcman as a file manager....it lets you organize your desktop icons like you can in that Redmond-based OS
[21:37] <dcolish> Odd-rationale: yes
[21:37]  * vidd doesnt even know what tiling means in this case =\
[21:38] <Odd-rationale> well, i switched from OB to tiling because i was pretty much just using urxvt and firefox. both maximized...
[21:39]  * vidd has one desktop, one panel, and as little as possible
[21:39] <dcolish> I made the switch for pretty much the same reasons. Although I like to mix and match, so some of my desktops are tiled and some are not
[21:41] <Odd-rationale> dcolish: are you on ubuntu?
[21:41] <vidd> just about the only things i need are a menu, clock, the think that minimizes all windows, and the thing that shows you all open apps
[21:41] <dcolish> xubuntu
[21:42]  * vidd is on lxde-buntu =]
[21:42] <dcolish> honestly, i've been thinking about arch linux :)
[21:43] <Odd-rationale> i'm on arch.
[21:46] <dcolish> how do you like it?
[21:49] <dcolish> I would like to see a ubuntu release based on a tiling wm, so you still have access to the apt repos
[21:50] <vidd> dcolish, so make one
[21:57] <dcolish> Odd-rationale: do you develop for xubuntu as well?
[22:05] <Odd-rationale> dcolish: no, i don't do any developing... you?
[22:05] <Odd-rationale> the arch repos are probably just as complete as the apt repos.
[22:17] <dcolish> Odd-rationale: I do some packaging and light dev, mostly dynamic languages
[22:57] <aLeSD> hi all
[22:57] <aLeSD> how could I browse my net  ?
[22:57] <aLeSD> I mean samba net
[23:01] <TheSheep> aLeSD: try pyneighbourhood
[23:46] <alex_> I'm aLESD
[23:47] <alex_> mount.cifs //192.168.10.1/pillola ./tmp/
[23:47] <alex_> Password:
[23:47] <alex_> mount error 5 = Input/output error
[23:47] <alex_> Refer to the mount.cifs(8) manual page (e.g.man mount.cifs)
[23:47] <alex_> that's my problem
[23:47] <TheSheep> aLeSD: can you browse it with smbclient?
[23:47] <alex_> yes
[23:48] <alex_> smbclient -L192.168.10.1
[23:48] <alex_> all good
[23:48] <TheSheep> what does the manual say about mount error 5?
[23:48] <alex_> mmm
[23:48] <alex_> something like ythe RTFM
[23:48] <alex_> ok
[23:48] <alex_> wait
[23:48] <TheSheep> I just don't know myself :)
[23:49] <alex_> mmm no error number 5
[23:50] <TheSheep> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa302198.aspx
[23:50] <TheSheep> found this...
[23:52] <TheSheep> http://lists.samba.org/archive/linux-cifs-client/2005-January/000649.html
[23:52] <TheSheep> and this
[23:53] <alex_> do u know something like
[23:53] <alex_> policy = share ?
[23:54] <TheSheep> I have very minimal experience with windows newtwork, I avoid it like the plague
[23:54] <aLeSD> I'm using a samba server and a samba client
[23:55] <aLeSD> 2 linux maquines
[23:55] <aLeSD> ;)
[23:55] <TheSheep> use scp or even sshfs
[23:55] <TheSheep> or nfs
[23:55] <aLeSD> mmmm
[23:55] <TheSheep> no setup required
[23:55] <aLeSD> maybe it's the time to learn that stuff
[23:55] <aLeSD> ... but
[23:55] <aLeSD> if a windows machine comes ?
[23:55] <aLeSD> or a Mac Os X
[23:56] <TheSheep> there is winscp
[23:56] <TheSheep> and macosx has ssh
[23:56] <aLeSD> ok I explain my problem
[23:56] <TheSheep> maybe it has to be installed though
[23:56] <aLeSD> mmm
[23:56] <aLeSD> I have a folder that I want to be shared
[23:57] <aLeSD> but all the computer in the et are laptop
[23:57] <TheSheep> r/w or read-only?
[23:57] <aLeSD> so ... it's usual that the computer can't find the net and the share folder sometime
[23:57] <aLeSD> read-only for naw
[23:57] <aLeSD> in the future r/w
[23:57] <TheSheep> then http would be the simplest
[23:57] <TheSheep> ah
[23:58] <TheSheep> there was a howto on setting up ftp with avahi (apple bonjour)
[23:59] <TheSheep> for functionality similar to samba
[23:59] <TheSheep> with discovery
[23:59] <aLeSD> mmm
[23:59] <TheSheep> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=218630
[23:59] <TheSheep> I can only show you the options though