[01:33] <freetown> anybody here using Promethean boards?
[01:34] <sbalneav> No, link?
[01:36] <freetown> this one should be good: http://www.prometheanworld.com/us/
[01:37] <freetown> i heard there was a beta for ActivStudio on Linux...and a promethean contact told me that they would finally be doing a release in a few months...and ubuntu was one of the platform distros
[01:37] <freetown> just wondered if any here had a go with the beta
[01:39] <sbalneav> Not that I'm aware of.
[01:40] <sbalneav> This cheeses me off to no end.
[01:40] <sbalneav> sbalneav@phobos:~/Devel/bzr/ltsp-docs-trunk$ docbook2txt LTSPManual.xml
[01:40] <sbalneav> Using catalogs: /etc/sgml/catalog
[01:40] <sbalneav> Using stylesheet: /usr/share/docbook-utils/docbook-utils.dsl#html
[01:40] <sbalneav> I'm trying to get plaintext docs for vagrant.
[01:40] <sbalneav> WHY'S IT USING THE HTML STYLESHEET?
[01:40] <sbalneav> styupid Thang
[02:52] <LaserJock> sbalneav: you workin' tonight?
[03:18] <sbalneav> I am!
[03:18] <sbalneav> Hot into the docs, ATM
[04:45] <LaserJock> sbalneav: lol, you actually use GNU/Linux? :-)
[04:57] <sbalneav> heh
[04:57] <sbalneav> Looking at the docs?
[04:58] <sbalneav> Hold on, lemme push the latest, MUCH CLEANED UP docs...
[05:00] <sbalneav> LaserJock: pushed
[05:05] <LaserJock> sbalneav: pretty darn impressive
[05:07] <sbalneav> Getting there.
[05:08] <sbalneav> Getting it organized is surprisingly difficult
[05:09] <LaserJock> sbalneav: are you gonna put it up on ltsp.org when you're done?
[05:09] <sbalneav> There's such a lot of disparate information in there.
[05:09] <sbalneav> Already there
[05:10] <sbalneav> http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream
[05:11] <LaserJock> ah, cool
[05:12] <sbalneav> Here's an interesting one.
[05:12] <sbalneav> I'd like to get a plaintext formatted version of the docs (.txt file)
[05:12] <sbalneav> but when I do docbook2txt LTSPManual.xml
[05:12] <sbalneav> it formats it with the html stylesheet.
[05:14] <LaserJock> hmm, interesting
[05:14] <LaserJock> I don't know that I've ever tried docbook2txt
[05:58] <LaserJock> sbalneav: you use sabayon or pesselus at all?
[06:00] <sbalneav> LaserJock: No, I just set up default panel entries
[06:04] <LaserJock> sbalneav: so you don't lock down at all?
[06:04] <LaserJock> I guess with your setting you can assume the users will behave better ;-)
[06:05] <sbalneav> yeah
[06:07] <LaserJock> sabayon seems to be really in bad shape
[06:07] <LaserJock> I wonder if Edubuntu could put some concerted effort into it
[14:43] <sbalneav> Morning all
[18:07] <Fritz87> hello everyone
[18:17] <Lns> Hi Fritz87
[19:10] <LaserJock> hello all
[19:11] <sbalneav> Hey LaserJock
[19:12] <LaserJock> Scottie!
[19:13] <LaserJock> sbalneav: are you wanting a package for the LTSP docs like now?
[19:14] <LaserJock> sbalneav: doh, lynx was the key to getting docbook2txt to work?
[19:14] <sbalneav> Errr
[19:14] <sbalneav> Sure :)
[19:14] <LaserJock> lol
[19:14] <sbalneav> It would be great if you could show me how to get something I could put in my PPA
[19:14] <LaserJock> I'm just wondering how close you are to feeling "done" with it
[19:14] <sbalneav> Well, if I could do it with my PPA, I could just update them whenever.
[19:15] <sbalneav> They've got weeks and weeks of work until they're "done".... If ever :)
[19:15] <LaserJock> k
[19:15] <LaserJock> well, at some point do you want it to go into Ubuntu?
[19:15] <LaserJock> we could make it a dep of ltsp or something
[19:16] <sbalneav> Well, I guess my goal is to have something half-decent for inclusion in Jaunty
[19:16] <sbalneav> I'd say I'm at least 70% of the way there.
[19:16] <sbalneav> At some point I'll hit 80%, then the 80/20 rule will kick in, but for now, I could have something "more or less" ready in another week or two
[19:16] <LaserJock> I don't see where you install the .txt version in your install rule
[19:17] <sbalneav> so if we start on the packaging now, that'd be great.
[19:17] <sbalneav> how hard is it?
[19:17] <LaserJock> is what?
[19:18] <sbalneav> the packaging part
[19:18] <LaserJock> oh, well I can get you one that will install in ~ 5min or so
[19:19] <LaserJock> getting one that's perfect will take a bit of tweaking to make sure everything is all nice
[19:19] <sbalneav> You are so beautiful... to me....
[19:19] <LaserJock> put just installing the pdf, html, and txt is trivial
[19:19] <LaserJock> it's getting it all set up with yelp that takes a bit more effort
[19:19] <LaserJock> as it's more than just dropping files in
[19:20] <LaserJock> but not much more
[19:20] <sbalneav> well, if we could just get  the (pdf,html,txt) files in /usr/share/doc/ltsp-docs, that'd be awesome.  The yelp thing would be perfectamundo.
[19:21] <LaserJock> we should also install for Khelpcenter as well
[19:21] <sbalneav> yessir
[19:21] <LaserJock> you know, just in case people are using that *other* DE
[19:21] <sbalneav> Phhht.
[19:21]  * sbalneav looks around for Aaron Seigo
[19:22] <LaserJock> Khelpcenter uses HTML still I think
[19:22] <sbalneav> That guy's like 10 feet tall, and can melt skyscrapers with hit *mind* man.
[19:22] <LaserJock> you just need to drop a .desktop in the right I think
[19:22] <sbalneav> We don't want to cheese him off.
[19:22] <LaserJock> lol
[19:23] <sbalneav> whoops s/hit/his/
[19:31] <sbalneav> That'll teach you to show up in #ltsp :)
[19:31] <LaserJock> I guess
[19:31] <sbalneav> We'll have you writing code next.
[19:31] <sbalneav> :)
[19:31] <LaserJock> nuts ... all nuts I tell you
[19:32] <sbalneav> Nah, just makes sense, if you're going to give me a hand with this, you might as well have permission to -trunk
[19:32] <LaserJock> it's a good thing you caught me on my birthday, I'm in a giving mood ;-)
[19:32] <sbalneav> Is it your Birfday today?
[19:33]  * sbalneav slides LaserJock a pale amber carbonated beverage
[19:33] <sbalneav> Happy birthday!
[19:33] <ogra> HAPPY BDAY !
[19:33] <LaserJock> yeah, I'm feeling old today
[19:34] <sbalneav> All in favour of voting LaserJock a Fine Upstanding Citizen, and Capital Fellow, vote now!
[19:34] <sbalneav> ++
[19:35] <LaserJock> yeah, exactly what I thought ;-p
[19:40] <ogra> ++
[19:47] <Lns> LaserJock: Happy bday! *hands LJ another beer to doublefist*
[19:47] <Moonstorm> does one even need a client with this?
[19:47] <LaserJock> Moonstorm: with Edubuntu?
[19:47] <Moonstorm> wireless usb to vga adapter?
[19:48] <Moonstorm> wouldn't one be able to open a session on the server?
[19:48] <Moonstorm> http://www.cablestogo.com/product.asp?cat_id=1525&sku=29572&cm_mmc_o=HC4zbkCjC8bywkwll%20JmP%20VyBFB%20C%20niiovvvoCjCW-CjCW-
[19:49] <Moonstorm> nm, it appears that may only be one display at a time, ie login at a time
[20:58] <EeyoreJr> local usb works?  no?
[20:59] <EeyoreJr> i was thinking i saw this a while ago
[20:59] <sbalneav> EeyoreJr: You can mount usb sticks, drives, and cdroms yes.
[21:02] <EeyoreJr> wacom tablets?
[21:17] <EeyoreJr> nubae: hi.  i'm setting up fatclient in dhcpd.conf.  i have a question
[21:17] <EeyoreJr>   host fatclient1 {
[21:17] <EeyoreJr>                 hardware ethernet  the:thin:client:mac:add:ress;
[21:17] <EeyoreJr>                 fixed-address 192.168.0.2;
[21:17] <EeyoreJr>                 }
[21:17] <EeyoreJr> i assume that i must enter a line "hardware ethernet mac_addres;" for each client
[21:18] <EeyoreJr> the fixed-address line, requires me to enter an ip for each client as well?
[21:18] <EeyoreJr> and "host fatclient1, 2, 3, for each client?
[21:18] <Eghie> EeyoreJr: make new sections for new client
[21:18] <Eghie> so every client has a host section
[21:19] <EeyoreJr> so, host fatclient2, fatclient2, etc.
[21:20] <Eghie> like this: http://pastebin.com/m4d584740
[21:21] <EeyoreJr> Eghie: great, awesome, and thx
[21:21] <Eghie> no problem
[21:22] <EeyoreJr> nubae: script also has thin clients in his script.  do i need to setup the thin clients as well or allow them to do it on thier own ?
[21:23] <EeyoreJr> er, will the thin clients continue to function on thier own
[21:28] <EeyoreJr> ifconfig shows the address of the server mac address, not the local
[21:30] <Eghie> hmm, LTSP uses Bash scripts to configure the client, guess it's very adaptable to customizations
[21:34] <EeyoreJr> what is kiwi-ltsp ?
[21:35] <Eghie> my hardy APT doesn't even know kiwi-ltsp
[21:36] <Eghie> don't have access to Intrepid at the moment though
[21:39] <Eghie> so, don't know
[21:44] <LaserJock> EeyoreJr: kiki-ltsp is openSUSE's LTSP implementation
[21:44] <EeyoreJr> ah.  ok
[21:45] <EeyoreJr> how does one find the address of the thin client in ubuntu ltsp?
[21:45] <LaserJock> EeyoreJr: of a currentlly connected on?
[21:46] <EeyoreJr> yes
[21:46] <LaserJock> I'm not a LTSP guy so I'm not much help
[21:46] <EeyoreJr> for example, i'm on a thin client now.  if i do ifconfig or lspci i get the server info
[21:46] <LaserJock> but does ip a in a terminal give anything useful?
[21:46] <LaserJock> ah, i wondered
[21:48] <LaserJock> EeyoreJr: can you do a Ctrl-Alt-F1 and get to a virtual console
[21:48] <LaserJock> I think those are supposed to be on the client
[21:49] <EeyoreJr> ctl-alt-f1 gets me a virtual console but won't allow login
[21:49] <EeyoreJr> hrm
[21:50] <LaserJock> I think you need to set a root password in the chroot
[21:50] <LaserJock> and then you can log in as root  on your client
[22:45] <EeyoreJr> http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/edubuntu/handbook/C/ - is this document current?
[22:45] <LaserJock> no
[22:45] <EeyoreJr> grr
[22:46] <LaserJock> I think it was updated for Gutsy
[22:46] <EeyoreJr> ITalC is a gui for machine management where sayabon is a gui for user management
[22:46] <LaserJock> right
[22:46] <EeyoreJr> is there a current up to date document?
[22:46] <LaserJock> sbalneav is working on one, one sec
[22:46] <EeyoreJr> i've noticed this as well pessulus
[22:47] <LaserJock> EeyoreJr: http://www.ltsp.org/~sbalneav/LTSPManual.html
[22:47] <LaserJock> EeyoreJr: what is the problem?
[22:48] <EeyoreJr> i'm trying to locate the mac addresses for the thin clients
[22:48] <EeyoreJr> ifconfig and ip and lspci show the server info
[22:50] <EeyoreJr> nm, u answered it in the other forum
[22:50] <stgraber> EeyoreJr: arp -n | grep $LTSP_CLIENT
[22:50] <EeyoreJr> DHCPREQUEST for 10.2.2.41 from 00:e0:b8:30:f5:5c via eth1: wrong network ... r others attempting to connect ?
[23:03] <EeyoreJr> the doc covers sabayon, but not Pessulus?  is pessulus
[23:04] <LaserJock> EeyoreJr: is pessulus ... ?
[23:12] <EeyoreJr> integrated?
[23:13] <EeyoreJr> nm.  i see this is a draft
[23:13] <EeyoreJr> i'll work around it and figure it out
[23:15] <LaserJock> sabayon are related but different programs
[23:15] <LaserJock> sabayon is more of a profile editor
[23:15] <LaserJock> where pessulus is a lockdown editor
[23:16] <LaserJock> pessulus doesn't do as much, but I think it does what it does better
[23:16] <LaserJock> sabayon tends to not be as stable
[23:32] <EeyoreJr> pessulus does better than sabayon?  it sounds as though they provide different functions
[23:32] <EeyoreJr> doesn't ubuntu have a lockdown editor?
[23:33] <EeyoreJr> A fatal error has occurred.  You can help us fix the problem by sending the log in /root/sabayon-debug-log.conf to http://bugzilla.gnome.org
[23:33] <EeyoreJr> well, i'm hungry.  it's qutting time