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| pitti | hey calc, good luck with that | 07:55 |
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| pitti | I'm just getting an ordinary cold, but terribly sore throat | 07:55 |
| huats | morning everyone | 08:25 |
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| seb128 | james_w: hi, do you still get bug #173212? | 12:53 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 173212 in gnome-media "mixer applet cannot be unmuted in new session" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/173212 | 12:53 |
| james_w | I did two months ago | 12:54 |
| james_w | I can test again if you like | 12:54 |
| james_w | I guess it's more an alsa problem | 12:54 |
| seb128 | james_w: I think the bug is misassigned | 12:54 |
| seb128 | right, but it's not clear exactly what your issue is | 12:55 |
| seb128 | you say that the mixer and applet don't show the same volumes for the same channel? | 12:55 |
| james_w | the issues is that a new session changes the behaviour | 12:55 |
| seb128 | but that's specific to the applet? | 12:55 |
| james_w | I'm not sure | 12:55 |
| seb128 | or alsamixer show issues too? | 12:55 |
| seb128 | it would be interesting to know if the alsa settings changes | 12:56 |
| seb128 | or if that's just the applet which shows a wrong status | 12:56 |
| seb128 | there is no hurry to try, don't close your session only for that | 12:57 |
| seb128 | I'm just trying to clean the needinfo bugs | 12:57 |
| seb128 | the fact that this one is hardware specific seems to suggest a driver or alsa issue rather than an applet one | 12:57 |
| seb128 | we lack somebody knowing about the audio stack triaging those bugs | 12:58 |
| mvo | ember_: hello! I'm looking at the brasero update right now, thanks for working on this! what is the rational for dropping "-+X-Ubuntu-Gettext-Domain=brasero" - is this now done automatically by something? | 12:59 |
| mvo | seb128: do we have something that sets the X-Ubuntu-Gettext-Domain automatically now (or is there something that makes it obsolete?) | 13:03 |
| seb128 | mvo: gnome.mk when using cdbs does | 13:03 |
| seb128 | mvo: but that's not new | 13:03 |
| seb128 | mvo: otherwise you have to do it in the rules | 13:04 |
| mvo | I rarely use gnome.mk I guess this is why I haven't noticed | 13:04 |
| seb128 | mvo: cdbs hater ;-) | 13:04 |
| seb128 | mvo: in fact langpack.mk does it, so you can include that rather than gnome.mk but GNOME packages usually use the gnome one for schemas registration, etc | 13:05 |
| * mvo nods | 13:05 | |
| mvo | ember_: thanks, seb128 figured it out for me :) | 13:06 |
| james_w | seb128: confirmed. | 13:10 |
| james_w | seb128: when in a session I can mute, which leaves the volume level at e.g. 50% and sets the mute flag | 13:10 |
| james_w | seb128: when I restart my session it comes back muted, but with the volume set to 0%, and not having the mute flag set | 13:11 |
| seb128 | you mean the applet has a mute icon? | 13:11 |
| james_w | seb128: alsamixer just shows a pulseaudio device, do you know how I can debug that side of this further | 13:11 |
| seb128 | what does alsamixer shows? | 13:12 |
| james_w | the applet has a mute icon, but the checkbox in the context menu is un-checked | 13:12 |
| seb128 | well the applet displays a mute icon when volume = 0 | 13:12 |
| james_w | if you scroll to 0% in the applet then it gets the mute icon | 13:12 |
| seb128 | try pavucontrol? | 13:12 |
| seb128 | what does the gnome mixer displays if you double click on the applet icon for example? | 13:13 |
| seb128 | just to be clear there | 13:13 |
| seb128 | - you have some volume set | 13:13 |
| seb128 | - right click on the applet, select the mute option there | 13:13 |
| seb128 | - the applet is showing the volume as muted, what does the mixer display as volume then? | 13:14 |
| james_w | the same value as before selecting mute | 13:14 |
| seb128 | - then you restart your session and the volume is 0 rather than using the mute toggle | 13:14 |
| james_w | yes | 13:14 |
| seb128 | it seems that the volume is changing between sessions then | 13:14 |
| james_w | so my complaint is that it is not consistent. | 13:14 |
| seb128 | something is switching mute and volume to volume = 0 | 13:15 |
| james_w | agreed | 13:15 |
| james_w | pavucontrol isn't showing anything useful | 13:15 |
| seb128 | I guess you will have the same issue without having an applet configured | 13:15 |
| james_w | the gnome mixer is showing volume = 0 and not muted, as you would expect | 13:15 |
| seb128 | ok, I don't know enough about pulseaudio and alsa to give you useful hints there | 13:15 |
| james_w | I agree, but I don't know how to confirm that | 13:16 |
| seb128 | you would not expect that | 13:16 |
| seb128 | you would expect the volume to be what it was during the previous session | 13:16 |
| james_w | yeah, I mean I expect that given what the applet is showing | 13:16 |
| seb128 | and the mute flag to be set | 13:16 |
| seb128 | ok, anyway doesn't look like a gnome-applets bug | 13:16 |
| james_w | I agree | 13:16 |
| seb128 | maybe you can reassign to alsa-lib rather and try to ask to crimsum when he's around if he has an idea about the issue | 13:17 |
| seb128 | you can also try to uninstall pulseaudio and see if you still get the issue when using alsa directly | 13:17 |
| seb128 | hum | 13:17 |
| seb128 | you opened this bug before the pulseaudio time I think | 13:17 |
| seb128 | reassing to alsa-lib and let them deal with the bug | 13:18 |
| james_w | thanks seb128 | 13:25 |
| james_w | I updated the bug report to be more clear about the behaviour | 13:25 |
| seb128 | james_w: thank you for testing and updating the bug ;-) | 13:25 |
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| asac | seb128: installed xul 1.9.0.4 yet? please go for it and let me know if ephy still crashes on shutdown | 14:01 |
| seb128 | asac: not yet, I will let you know, they fixed something which seems similar to the issue? | 14:02 |
| asac | seb128: just the comment from debian ;) | 14:03 |
| seb128 | ok | 14:03 |
| asac | seb128: hmmm .... do you use REVU and get acks from two MOTUs for new packages :-P ? | 14:10 |
| seb128 | asac: lol, good one! | 14:10 |
| asac | well. i am looking through wiki | 14:10 |
| seb128 | asac: no, I use my upload power and get one ack from pitti when it's in NEW ;-) | 14:10 |
| asac | thats breach of policy isnt it? | 14:11 |
| seb128 | what policy? | 14:11 |
| asac | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages | 14:11 |
| seb128 | that's a MOTU thing | 14:11 |
| asac | what does that mean? | 14:11 |
| seb128 | I'm not a MOTU ;-) | 14:11 |
| asac | core-devs dont need taht? | 14:12 |
| pitti | seb128: you are | 14:12 |
| asac | this just came up because MOTUs want mozilla packages to go through REVU ... which is completely senseless imo | 14:12 |
| seb128 | well, let's say I've enough to do without bothering using revu, etc | 14:12 |
| seb128 | so maybe I'm abusing my power there dunno | 14:12 |
| asac | because no MOTU ever reviewed any mozilla package | 14:12 |
| seb128 | but I really don't feel doing extra paper work only to be compliant to some MOTU policy on the topic | 14:12 |
| asac | seb128: i feel the same. but just ignoring it cant be right ;) | 14:13 |
| asac | we need to fix that policy then i think | 14:13 |
| pitti | I thought that revu thing would only apply for non-MOTUs | 14:13 |
| asac | pitti: apparenlty thats not the case. | 14:14 |
| pitti | i. e. folks who start learning packaging have to get two MOTU acks (or, likely, some iterations of fixing) before uploading to NEW? | 14:14 |
| asac | persia said that everything has to go through REVU | 14:14 |
| asac | for NEW packages | 14:14 |
| pitti | hm, that's news to me, too | 14:14 |
| asac | pitti: i think REVU is for non-MOTUs ... and new-packages | 14:14 |
| asac | pitti: well. policy is that you need two ACKs if you want to upload a new package | 14:14 |
| asac | REVU is just the standard procedure | 14:15 |
| asac | pitti: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages | 14:15 |
| pitti | asac: oh, good to know | 14:15 |
| seb128 | what define a policy and who approve what is official policy? | 14:16 |
| asac | pitti: my personal feeling is that this policy cannot be valid for packages that MOTU team doesnt care for | 14:16 |
| seb128 | ie is that wiki page something official or something MOTU decided in a unilateral way? | 14:16 |
| asac | for instance: mozillateam packages -> MOTU never touch those | 14:16 |
| pitti | asac: well core-dev is a subset of MOTU | 14:16 |
| asac | seb128: i am not sure what the policy process is | 14:17 |
| asac | from what i understand motu council can just release policies on their own | 14:17 |
| seb128 | and that stands for universe imho | 14:17 |
| seb128 | well I'm not sure why a MOTU should have to go through REVU review either | 14:18 |
| asac | as a matter of fact most packages go into universe first | 14:18 |
| seb128 | somebody who knows about packaging should be able to just do it and upload | 14:18 |
| asac | i agree | 14:18 |
| seb128 | right, but that's creating paper work, slowness and extra work for no good reason | 14:18 |
| asac | right. and fta's experience with REVU is that you never get two acks there | 14:19 |
| seb128 | let's move that to #ubuntu-devel maybe rather? | 14:19 |
| asac | the first will happen quickly ... the second never happens and you have to run around poking folks | 14:19 |
| seb128 | or wait for dholbach reply? | 14:19 |
| asac | seb128: lets wait for dholbach | 14:20 |
| seb128 | well, REVU is similar to sponsoring | 14:20 |
| asac | seb128: and then discuss this properly | 14:20 |
| asac | when i have the cycles too | 14:20 |
| seb128 | lot of items, not enough manpower, extra delais | 14:20 |
| asac | i am about to run ;) | 14:20 |
| seb128 | ok | 14:20 |
| asac | i think archive admin review should be enough for those that have upload rights | 14:20 |
| seb128 | yes | 14:20 |
| asac | if archive admins say that there is too much garbage then they are supposed to push for a pre-review | 14:21 |
| asac | at least if archive admins dont ask for it, there is no reason for such a policy | 14:21 |
| seb128 | well, somebody who has upload rights should be able to produce a mostly correct package | 14:21 |
| ember_ | sorry mvo i wasn't here, and thanks for sponsoring. | 14:36 |
| ember_ | seb128: when you have time can you renew me on desktop-bugs team | 14:36 |
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| seb128 | the team is an open one you can do that on launchpad directly | 14:37 |
| ember | where? i was able to renew bugteam but not desktop-bugs | 14:37 |
| seb128 | not sure of the url but your subscription details should let you renew it | 14:38 |
| seb128 | or you might need to wait until expiration | 14:38 |
| seb128 | the team is an open one for sure and you don't need an admin approval, not sure about the launchpad interface, you can ask on #launchpad if that's not clear | 14:39 |
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| seb128 | fta: hey, did you read my comments about the cairo update the other day? | 15:40 |
| * pitti rings the desktop team meeting bell | 16:00 | |
| calc | here | 16:00 |
| pitti | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2008-11-18 | 16:00 |
| pedro_ | hello | 16:00 |
| seb128 | hey | 16:00 |
| calc | oh yea this should be updated on fridge bueno can do it apparently if we ask him | 16:00 |
| pitti | bryce, Riddell, Keybuk, ArneGoetje: there? | 16:00 |
| ArneGoetje | hi | 16:01 |
| Keybuk | _o/ | 16:01 |
| pitti | asac is on holiday | 16:01 |
| Riddell | hi | 16:02 |
| pitti | calc: as our US representative, could you ring bryce? | 16:02 |
| calc | ok | 16:02 |
| pitti | that's actually the first topic | 16:03 |
| * calc looking up his number now | 16:03 | |
| pitti | I'll talk to beuno to get the desktop team meeting on the fridge | 16:03 |
| pitti | seb128 noticed that there wasn't a team meeting reminder | 16:03 |
| pitti | do you guys actually want to get one every week? or woudl having the meeting in evo be enough for you, and we avoid cronspam? | 16:03 |
| seb128 | having it in e-d-s would be enough imho | 16:04 |
| seb128 | which is not the case right now | 16:04 |
| Keybuk | pitti: I briefly talked to persia about it, apparently the meeting can't go on the fridge, because we don't use #ubuntu-meeting | 16:04 |
| pitti | uh? | 16:04 |
| Riddell | an e-mail the day before to remind about activity I find nice | 16:04 |
| calc | he didn't answer the phone | 16:05 |
| pitti | calc: ok, thanks for trying | 16:05 |
| Riddell | there's nothing channel specific about fridge events, it's for all events | 16:05 |
| Keybuk | Riddell: apparently the #ubuntu-meeting bot gets confused | 16:05 |
| Riddell | that's the bot's problem | 16:05 |
| pitti | ok, I'll continue to send the reminders for now | 16:06 |
| pitti | ACTION: pitti to continue to send out meeting reminder emails and ask beuno to get it on the fridge | 16:06 |
| seb128 | Keybuk: the calendar can have non meeting events too no? we don't specifically need that to be set as a meeting slot there | 16:06 |
| Keybuk | dunno :) | 16:07 |
| Riddell | "Desktop Team Meeting" is on fridge, but for wrong day | 16:07 |
| pitti | before we come to the main topic: two weeks ago we went through the intrepid-updates bugs | 16:07 |
| seb128 | well, milestones are on the calendar | 16:07 |
| pitti | it would really be good to get them sorted by UDS, since at UDS and afterwards we'll all have jaunty in our heads | 16:07 |
| pitti | are there any blockers, or bugs which turned out to be complicated? | 16:07 |
| Riddell | the cmake/kde4libs/adept breakage is a bit strange | 16:08 |
| pitti | Riddell: the kde4libs SRU broke builds? | 16:08 |
| Riddell | yeah | 16:08 |
| Riddell | NCommander is being great and working on it though | 16:08 |
| pitti | so shold that block -updates migration of kde4libs? (the bug is verified otherwise) | 16:09 |
| Riddell | yes, for now | 16:09 |
| Riddell | it'll likely need a patch to kde4libs to fix | 16:09 |
| pitti | Riddell: noted | 16:09 |
| pitti | all others are fine with their intrepid-updates bugs? | 16:09 |
| seb128 | GNOME 2.24.2 tarballs due next week | 16:10 |
| pitti | oh, fun | 16:10 |
| seb128 | but I don't think we will try to do all the updates since that's not a lts | 16:10 |
| pitti | right, I agree; it actually was a special exception for hardy | 16:10 |
| seb128 | the evo stack will likely get an another round of updates though | 16:10 |
| pitti | so we'll only do updates to major bug fixes then? | 16:10 |
| seb128 | yes | 16:11 |
| pitti | which reminds me, Riddell, is the new kde microrelease in -proposed? | 16:11 |
| Riddell | pitti: no, I got distracted by merges | 16:11 |
| Riddell | pitti: I wasn't clear, does it need one bug for every package? | 16:11 |
| Riddell | or just one meta-bug? | 16:11 |
| pitti | Riddell: yes, one representative for each package would be good, to track verification and migration | 16:11 |
| pitti | some uploads already have an LP # | 16:11 |
| pitti | so we only need one for packages which don't fix any LP bug in their changelog | 16:12 |
| Riddell | ok | 16:12 |
| pitti | ok, then let's get to UDS preps | 16:12 |
| pitti | Keybuk: any initial words? | 16:12 |
| pitti | last week I asked you to think about what you would like to work on during jaunty | 16:13 |
| pitti | so I propose everyone gives a quick overview about their intentions | 16:13 |
| pitti | personally I'd like to concentrate on fixing bugs, robustifying the apport retracers, and working on CD size | 16:14 |
| Keybuk | I think it'd be worth going through each person to get a list of spec ideas firmed up | 16:14 |
| seb128 | what pitti said + GNOME 2.26 ;-) | 16:14 |
| pitti | ArneGoetje: ? | 16:15 |
| ArneGoetje | I have enough on my plate: basically continue to work on my usual stuff... fonts, language-selector, font-selector, plus a new item: ibus (a candidate to replace scim) | 16:15 |
| Keybuk | you've registered a spec about ibus | 16:16 |
| ArneGoetje | yes | 16:16 |
| Keybuk | are there any others you'd want for UDS? | 16:16 |
| pitti | ArneGoetje: does ibus need UDS discussion, or is it a "just do it" thihng? | 16:16 |
| ArneGoetje | needs UDS discussion | 16:16 |
| pitti | ah, ok | 16:16 |
| ArneGoetje | Keybuk: no thanks :) as I said, I have enough on my plate | 16:16 |
| Keybuk | do you think language-selector or font-selector could warrant a discussion? | 16:16 |
| Keybuk | especially since we have new UI and Desktop-interested people? | 16:17 |
| ArneGoetje | I will probably discuss with mpt about GUI rework and additional features for language-selector. | 16:17 |
| pitti | ArneGoetje: please register a spec for this then, so that it can be scheduled | 16:17 |
| ArneGoetje | font-selector: I'm looking forward to finally get hold of Keith Packard... need to prod him for more info about fontconfig. | 16:18 |
| Keybuk | sounds like they're both worth scheduling an hour for, then | 16:18 |
| ArneGoetje | pitti: will do | 16:18 |
| mpt | mm, additional features | 16:18 |
| pitti | ArneGoetje: thanks; please propose it for the uds-jaunty meeting, so that it stands out from the noise | 16:18 |
| ArneGoetje | pitti: ok | 16:19 |
| pitti | ok, thanks | 16:19 |
| pitti | calc? | 16:19 |
| calc | get release exception and OOo 3.1 in, get OOo languages switched to Pootle/Rosetta, get OOo split builds working. | 16:19 |
| Keybuk | which of those are worth a UDS discussion? | 16:19 |
| Keybuk | sounds like the pootle/rosetta one could be? | 16:20 |
| calc | i need to talk to doko and rosetta people about that one yes | 16:20 |
| calc | the release exception i just need to ask for it from the release team i guess, not sure if we need a meeting for that one | 16:20 |
| pitti | calc: agreed, but the pootle one does warrant one, I think | 16:21 |
| calc | yes | 16:21 |
| calc | i will create a blueprint for it | 16:21 |
| pitti | @all: please nominate them for uds-jaunty | 16:22 |
| pitti | Riddell: what are your plans? | 16:22 |
| Keybuk | (and the plans of the Kubuntu Kommunity) | 16:23 |
| Keybuk | err, I swear I didn't do that deliberately | 16:23 |
| pitti | of Kourse | 16:23 |
| Riddell | pitti: listed here https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuJauntySpecs | 16:23 |
| Riddell | pitti: summaried as make Kubuntu with KDE 4 good enough for the whingers on the kubuntu-users mailing list :) | 16:24 |
| Riddell | pitti: we have a meeting tonight to discuss them more, then I'll register the specs in LP | 16:24 |
| pitti | Riddell: nicely prepared! | 16:24 |
| pitti | ok, that's everyone except bryce | 16:25 |
| pitti | ACTION: pitti to talk to bryce about jaunty plans | 16:25 |
| Keybuk | (and asac, but he's on leave) | 16:25 |
| pitti | right | 16:25 |
| pitti | so it seems to be a cleanup cycle for GNOME and KDE, and in general | 16:25 |
| kwwii | so I am officialy not on the team anymore, right? | 16:26 |
| pitti | kwwii: sorry, wasn't aware that you were lurking; feel free to introduce your plans as well :) | 16:26 |
| kwwii | pitti: actually, I don't think I am part of the team anymore...wasn't being nasty :-) | 16:27 |
| pitti | ok, please make sure to register your specs, preferably by the end of the week | 16:29 |
| pitti | and let's finish that intrepid thing, so that we have our heads free for jaunty | 16:30 |
| pitti | I cleared my intrepid-updates bug list, so if anyone needs a hand for his', please give me a ping | 16:30 |
| pitti | AOB? | 16:30 |
| pitti | oh, one thing | 16:31 |
| pitti | DebianImportFreeze is December 25, which means in practice that we have this, next, and one week after UDS for finishing merges | 16:31 |
| pitti | okay, I feel alone now, so let's wrap up :) | 16:32 |
| * seb128 hugs pitti | 16:32 | |
| * calc hugs everyone while... not getting them sick ;-) | 16:33 | |
| seb128 | oh, I intend to start on GNOME 2.25 for GNOME 2.25.2 | 16:33 |
| seb128 | ie, the week before uds | 16:33 |
| seb128 | I don't think we have a real need to hurry on pushing 2.25.1, there is not a lot of users on jaunty yet | 16:33 |
| seb128 | and I prefer to use the time to do cleaning | 16:33 |
| Keybuk | kwwii: *hugs* | 16:33 |
| pitti | seb128: sounds fine | 16:34 |
| seb128 | pitti: ok, good, let's do some good cleaning before starting on new crack ;-) | 16:35 |
| pitti | yeah, and for jaunty too :) | 16:36 |
| pitti | I appreciate having some time to work on bugs | 16:36 |
| seb128 | me too | 16:37 |
| bryce | heya | 16:38 |
| bryce | sorry, I'm onsite in Lexington and was helping an engineer with an X bug | 16:38 |
| seb128 | hey bryce | 16:39 |
| pitti | hi bryce | 16:40 |
| pitti | bryce: can you please give a quick intro about what you are planning to work on in jaunty? | 16:41 |
| bryce | regarding specs, there are a few that ubuntu-x community members are taking the lead on (config tools, etc.) which I'll be assisting on | 16:41 |
| bryce | I've also posted one for switching -ati from XAA to EXA | 16:41 |
| bryce | that should be pretty straightforward; mostly just testing and following up on bugs | 16:41 |
| bryce | testing = stability + performance testing | 16:42 |
| bryce | also I plan to do more work on my ongoing Xorg testing spec. Make XSmoke, and the historical drivers page | 16:42 |
| bryce | aside from that probably won't have much time remaining - OEM X bugs are consuming most of my time these days | 16:42 |
| bryce | I do want to put a lot of time into getting distro X bugs closed as I'm having good momentum with upstream at getting fixes, so am glad bug fixing is a focus. I hope I'll have enough time to work on that. | 16:44 |
| pitti | bryce: ok, so maintenance, cleanup, and better testing? | 16:44 |
| bryce | right, and enhancing tools for configuration and troubleshooting | 16:45 |
| pitti | great, seems everyone is focusing on that in jaunty, so far I didn't hear about major new structural changes | 16:45 |
| pitti | (of which we had quite a lot in hardy, for example) | 16:45 |
| pitti | jaunty should have been an ideal LTS cycle :-P | 16:45 |
| seb128 | we picked the bad cycle for hardy | 16:45 |
| bryce | the one pending X structural change is kernel modesetting; not sure how much we want to push that. Sounds like it's still fairly experimental. | 16:45 |
| seb128 | s/hardy/the lts | 16:45 |
| pitti | bryce: ok, thanks for the intro; can you please make sure that the things you want to discuss with others have a blueprint registered, and proposed it for uds-jaunty? | 16:46 |
| bryce | pitti: yes, all have blueprints registered at this point | 16:46 |
| pitti | bryce: right, KMS sounds worth discussing | 16:46 |
| bryce | I'll make sure they're proposed | 16:46 |
| pitti | bryce: cheers | 16:46 |
| Keybuk | bryce: are the ones you've posted suggested for uds-jaunty? | 16:49 |
| Keybuk | I can't find them in the proposed list | 16:49 |
| seb128 | pitti: btw is the multimedia stack a platform or a desktop team land? | 16:49 |
| bryce | Keybuk: not yet; I'm doing that presently | 16:49 |
| seb128 | I really think we should do something to address the audio stack being outdated and buggy | 16:49 |
| rlaager | Amen! | 16:49 |
| Keybuk | bryce: *resists the urge to bring the previous #ubuntu-devel topic in here* | 16:49 |
| pitti | seb128: as in gstreamer (desktop) or alsa (platform)? | 16:50 |
| seb128 | pitti: as in pulseaudio | 16:50 |
| pitti | pulseaudio actually sounds desktopish, but since Luke handles it, it's platform | 16:50 |
| seb128 | pitti: or totem and rhythmbox | 16:51 |
| seb128 | not working correctly due to it | 16:51 |
| bryce | Keybuk: done. | 16:51 |
| seb128 | pitti: "handle", the list of bugs doesn't seem really triaged, the version is outdated, sound effects are not working due to oudated libcanberra, etc | 16:51 |
| bryce | Keybuk: a few don't really need full discussion sessions for them. | 16:52 |
| seb128 | pitti: would be really nice to put some extra ressources to solve that | 16:52 |
| pitti | yes, full ack | 16:52 |
| Keybuk | bryce: x.org conf options editor - is that separate to alberto's spec? | 16:53 |
| rlaager | pitti, seb128: If the "replacing Pidgin with Empathy" thing comes up again, I'd really like to find a way (i.e. figure out the design and get some code written) to ensure that users can have their libpurple (Pidgin, et al.) IM logs automatically read by Empathy. I think that's the most important "data" that an IM client has given that buddy lists are generally stored on the server. | 16:54 |
| bryce | Keybuk: nope it's one of the items alberto is working on | 16:55 |
| rlaager | pitti: I'm obviously not going to propose having that discussion at UDS, but you thought it might come up. If it does, I'd definitely want to be involved. | 16:55 |
| bryce | Keybuk: that's actually a part-2 from a spec we discussed last UDS | 16:55 |
| Keybuk | https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/screen-configuration-ui | 16:55 |
| Keybuk | is already proposed | 16:55 |
| pitti | rlaager: personally I'm not planning it for jaunty either, since I'd really like to let people work on bug fixing | 16:55 |
| rlaager | pitti: Ok. I like bug fixing. That's what I want to focus on, but I'm not on any Ubuntu teams officially. | 16:56 |
| calc | rlaager: merged users (across protocols) is somewhat useful as well and is only stored in libpurple | 16:56 |
| pitti | rlaager: but independently from that, I think that switch will be made in the distro worlds at *some* point, so talking about migration paths is always good, even if it lands in jaunty+n | 16:56 |
| tedg | Is there a session at UDS planed for talking about the new GDM? | 16:56 |
| seb128 | rlaager: hi | 16:56 |
| rlaager | calc: It was my understanding that Empathy didn't support meta-contacts/persons. | 16:56 |
| calc | rlaager: oh ok | 16:57 |
| pitti | tedg: good point; can you please register one, so that we can review the missing features and see which ones we need to implement? | 16:57 |
| bryce | Keybuk: yep, screen-configuration-ui is essentially a part-3 to this, to expand on the xorg-options-editor functionality | 16:57 |
| rlaager | seb128: Hello! Hopefully I'll be generating more patches for you instead of just a pile of bug reports. :) | 16:57 |
| tedg | pitti: Okay. | 16:57 |
| Keybuk | bryce: ah | 16:57 |
| Keybuk | which is part 1 ? | 16:57 |
| Keybuk | which is part 2? | 16:57 |
| seb128 | rlaager: quick comment about this gtk bug where you added a upstream change, we usually don't do too much backporting to non-lts if there is not a strong reason to do | 16:57 |
| seb128 | rlaager: the stable updates are quite some work and the team is small so we try to reserve backports to annoying issues | 16:58 |
| bryce | part 1 is the little dialog enhancement to screen-display-properties which adds in Virtual options for dual-screen functionality - this is deployed already in Intrepid | 16:58 |
| rlaager | seb128: Fair enough. What about for Jaunty? I'm not sure how much distro patching you like to do. | 16:58 |
| Keybuk | ok great | 16:58 |
| Keybuk | I've put them in the right order in the schedule | 16:58 |
| seb128 | rlaager: let's see when they will roll a new tarball, if they don't we will do backporting | 16:59 |
| bryce | part 2 is to expand that into a general purpose option editor. part 3 is to expand that into a general purpose xorg.conf configuration tool. | 16:59 |
| bryce | part 2 is mostly done except for integration, so part 3 is maybe doable for jaunty, but needs discussion. | 16:59 |
| rlaager | seb128: For what it's worth, I'm at basically 100% of my non-public data under ~/Private now and things seem to work well. I'd love to hear your thoughts on killing off ~/.recently-used (note, not .xbel) by finding and rooting out the EggRecent code from apps (at least Totem, I think). | 17:00 |
| seb128 | that's a good idea but ideally something GNOME would do | 17:01 |
| johanbr | rlaager: Empathy git has some code for log migration. Haven't tried it, though. | 17:01 |
| rlaager | johanbr: I'll have to look at that. | 17:01 |
| ArneGoetje | I guess we are finished with the meeting? | 17:09 |
| pitti | bryce: oh, were you planning to do the acpi-support obsoletion, too? some of it can be fanned out to several people, but I think someone needs to coordinate it | 17:10 |
| pitti | ArneGoetje: yes, a while ago | 17:11 |
| ArneGoetje | pitti: didn't notice since there is still discussion going on... :P | 17:11 |
| * ArneGoetje -> bed | 17:11 | |
| pitti | well, it's #ubuntu-desktop :) | 17:11 |
| pitti | ArneGoetje: sleep well | 17:11 |
| ArneGoetje | thanks | 17:11 |
| bryce | pitti: unfortunately I likely won't have much time to help | 17:12 |
| bryce | pitti: the OEM team is going to need a lot of X support going forward, and don't have a dedicated X guy (yet?) | 17:12 |
| pitti | bryce: since you absorbed quite a lot of knowledge about acpi-support while you were debugging this stuff and doing the merge, would you mind giving a quick tutorial about it at UDS, so that others can help? | 17:12 |
| bryce | sorry, I must run to another OEM thingee... bbia hour | 17:13 |
| pitti | so that we get a plan "what do we need to do to migrate to pm-utils"? | 17:13 |
| bryce | pitti: be happy to participate in the session. Don't know I really have that much wisdom to share but glad to braindump. | 17:13 |
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| rlaager | This might be something to discuss at UDS: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/40306 | 20:03 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 40306 in ubuntu "Should have accessibility meta packages" [Wishlist,Fix released] | 20:03 |
| rlaager | It is, of course, not fixed (at least not from my point of view with bug #40334, which was marked as a duplicate of it). | 20:04 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 40334 in ubuntu-meta "Separate accessibility packages (dup-of: 40306)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/40334 | 20:04 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 40306 in ubuntu "Should have accessibility meta packages" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/40306 | 20:04 |
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