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calcer i'm confused did the desktop team meeting not get changed?03:20
calcits still showing up on the fridge as thursday03:21
beunocalc, let me know if you need it changed03:21
calcbeuno: not sure Keybuk_ would know but he is asleep atm03:21
beunocalc, ok, poke me and I'll change it or give one of you guys superpowers to do so  :)03:22
calcbeuno: yea it looks like the meeting should be tuesdays at 16:00 UTC03:22
calchttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2008-11-1103:22
beunocalc, so this is the event that needs changing?  http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/171703:25
calcyes i believe so03:26
calcyea the url is it03:26
calcthough on the wiki it claims the meeting is in #ubuntu-desktopp (?)03:26
calci haven't been at a meeting in 2 weeks so i am not sure if that part is accurate03:26
calci know the day/time is though since i have seen mailing list updates reflecting that part03:27
beunocalc, you tell me, I'm just following orders03:28
beunowe can change this tomorrow with Keybuk around03:28
calcbeuno: actually from the looks of it he is on vacation so pitti would be the person to ask i guess03:33
calcbeuno: i'll find out when i try to go to the meeting where it is for certain :)03:33
beunocalc, heh, good luck with that!03:34
calcyea :)03:35
* Hobbsee notes ubuntu doesn't seem to have a 'legal' address.03:45
HobbseeThey have a trademarks address, and a PR address...03:45
mneptokHobbsee: whatchya need?04:12
Hobbseemneptok: some waffle words.04:12
mneptokHobbsee: want me to ask the counsel to e-mail you?04:12
mneptokHobbsee: or can you fire something at me that i can then forward?04:13
Hobbseemneptok: fired.04:14
Hobbseemneptok: (thanks04:14
Hobbsee)04:14
mneptoknp np04:15
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mneptokHobbsee: sent to our counsel and m.d.z04:19
Hobbseemneptok: cool, thanks :)04:19
mneptokfor you? da moon, baby.04:19
mneptokor ... something.04:19
Hobbseehehe04:20
Hobbseecan i have a billion dollars instead please?04:21
* ajmitch hands Hobbsee 1 billion NZD04:21
ajmitchor about 10c australian04:21
Hobbseeaustralian dollars?  Or even euro, or brittish pounds?04:21
ajmitchno04:22
dholbachgood morning06:22
dholbachArneGoetje: I'm just looking at bug 299296 - I'm happy to get it synced, will you take care of getting ttf-sazanami into main and get it seeded?06:31
ubottuLaunchpad bug 299296 in ttf-kochi "Please sync ttf-kochi 1.0.20030809-8 (main) from Debian unstable (main)." [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/29929606:31
didrocksmorning06:40
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pittiGood morning07:53
pitticalc, beuno: yes, the meeting is in #ubuntu-desktop, since it clashes with another one in #u-meeting07:54
amitk_pitti: how do you feel like uploading a kernel to jaunty to start the day?07:56
amitk_:)07:56
pittiamitk_: in general I'm fine with that, but ATM we are in alpha-1 soft freeze today, so it's not a particularly good timing07:57
persiapitti, With which meeting does it clash?07:58
pittipersia: not sure, was just parrotting07:58
amitk_pitti: it was cleared with slangasek and cjwatson07:58
pittiamitk_: ah, ok, toss me the source.changes then07:58
persiaAh.  I ask because I have the two meetings that bracket the old desktop meeting time, so am probably be a good person to shift things.07:58
cjwatsonpitti: I think alpha-1 soft freeze is *slightly* optimistic given that the installer isn't in yet :-)08:38
cjwatsonpitti: I'm waiting on the kernel08:38
amitk_cjwatson: uploaded08:38
pitticjwatson: was just parrotting the "don't upload anything that brings us closer" thing :)08:38
pittierm, "doesn't bring"08:38
cjwatsonyeah, this should08:39
cjwatsonamitk_: how come "Add mouse-modules udeb" shows up as an upstream change?08:39
cjwatsonI think the kernel team should reconsider this automatically-generated-changelog lark ...08:39
cjwatsonit's easier to write changelog entries and generate commit messages from them than it is to try to make the other way round work - indeed joeyh explicitly commented that this turned out not to work very well for most folks in practice when he was writing debcommit, http://joey.kitenet.net/blog/entry/devscripts/08:41
cjwatsonamitk_: although thanks :-)08:42
StevenKmvo: Hiyoubrokeupdatenotifierfixitfixitfixit08:42
amitk_cjwatson: not completely sure, but maybe because you did not use the git templates that add the UBUNTU: tags for the commits08:43
cjwatsonamitk_: I didn't commit it at all08:43
cjwatsonI just sent the patch and figured you guys would take care of that :)08:44
mvoStevenK: I did? in what way?08:44
StevenK(jaunty)root@liquified:~# /usr/share/update-notifier/notify-reboot-required08:45
StevenK.: 8: gettext.sh: not found08:45
StevenKmvo: ^08:45
mvoStevenK: wehh, sorry, fixing now08:46
amitk_cjwatson: ok. I didn't notice the lack of the UBUNTU tag in early morning08:46
mvoStevenK: but its still working, no? this message should be harmless, it appears when gettext-base is not installed08:48
mvos/is/should be/ :)08:48
StevenKmvo: exit value 208:49
StevenKmvo: So it isn't08:49
mvook08:49
mvoStevenK: thanks, fixed. should be happier now08:58
StevenKmvo: You uploaded it, or you'll batch things?09:00
mvoStevenK: I uploaded it09:00
StevenKmvo: Excellent, thank you09:01
juliuxhi sodoes somebody know where i can report a broken package at an offical mirror?09:04
persiajuliux, If it persists, #ubuntu-mirrors tends to be responsive.  If it's not responsive, I think there's an LP project, but I don't find it right now.09:06
juliuxpersia: thxs09:07
pittiseb128: do you think we should talk about pidgin->empathy at UDS?09:40
seb128pitti: there is not a lot to talk about09:41
seb128pitti: I mean we can discuss it but that's not really spec worth, that's rather "try it again and see if it's good enough, if not rollback to what we use now"09:42
pittiseb128: there's reviewing of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EmpathyVsPidginUsability and checking whether it sufficiently replaces ekiga, but of course UDS might not be the best forum to do that09:42
seb128pitti: it'll not replace ekiga this cycle09:42
pittiseb128: okay; not worth the trouble then, let's ditch bugs then :)09:43
seb128that has somewhat been discussed on the lists and they don't aim to replace ekiga for now09:43
seb128or rather the softwares are different enough09:44
seb128pitti: doing some uds agenda?09:50
pittiseb128: yes09:51
seb128pitti: do you think we should discuss building upstream language packs there?09:51
pittiseb128: I do want to discuss Rosetta and langpacks, yes09:52
seb128ok good09:52
seb128we should also discuss how to get extra translations back on the CD ;-)09:53
pitti27. CD size war09:53
seb128using gettext for gconf would be useful there09:53
seb128which is already on your list ;-)09:53
pittiright; no need to discuss that, I think, it's a JFDI thing09:55
seb128yeah09:55
pittiKeybuk: I can't set the priority of https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/smooth-rosetta-imports10:06
pittiKeybuk: but you explicitly pointed out that this is important to set10:06
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* mvo reboots to run a hdd diagnose check10:16
Keybukpitti: hmm10:17
Keybukpitti: you don't see "Change priority" at all?10:17
pittiKeybuk: I do, but clicking on it gives me "Not allowed here"10:18
Keybuktry now10:18
pittiKeybuk: anyway, it does appear in the summit.u.c. admin list, despite not having a priority10:18
pittiKeybuk: no change10:18
Keybukhow about now?10:19
pittiKeybuk: \o/ supa-powahs10:20
Keybukfreaky10:21
Keybukstupid Launchpad must have a team requirement hardcoded into it somewhere10:21
cody-somervilleThe requirement is probably membership in the distro driver team10:32
Keybukyou'd think that, *but* normally it doesn't even show the link if you don't have permission10:33
Keybukso one bit thinks you have permission, since it's letting you click to change priority10:33
Keybukbut the bit that lets you actually doing it is clearly looking for something else10:33
cjwatsonthat's not consistent, unfortunately; there are a number of places where you'll see a link but get Forbidden if you try to use it10:38
wgrantMainly in the bits of LP that haven't been touched at all for at least 2 years...10:40
Keybuklike Blueprint \o/10:41
wgrantYep.10:41
wgrantIt hasn't been touched in faaaar too long.10:41
cody-somervilleIt appears that it is also dependent on the view10:48
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sabdflliw: maybe11:12
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viviersfcjwatson, its me again, the kickstart stuff, can it only install packages from main and restricted in the %packages section ?11:27
cjwatsonviviersf: as of hardy it should allow anything11:34
viviersfcjwatson, oh ok, doesnt install gstreamer bad and ugly, lemme read logs11:35
cody-somervilleCan someone approve https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/jaunty-xfce4.6 for uds?11:35
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cjwatsonmvo: bug 135284: is there a way to feed a list of packages to apt-get such that they'll all end up on the same "command line" even if they overflow the shell's command line length limit?11:48
ubottuLaunchpad bug 135284 in pkgsel "Unknown maximum list size in kickstart's ks.cfg %packages" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/13528411:48
cjwatsonmvo: I think if we could feed them in some other way then that would fix this bug11:49
mvocjwatson: we could use dpkg --set-selection and then apt-get dselect-upgrade11:51
mvocjwatson: not sure if that fits into the requirements11:52
* mvo looks at the actual bug11:52
cjwatsonmvo: mm, that might work in this context11:57
* mvo comments in the bug11:57
cjwatsonparticularly since nobody will have been running dpkg --set-selections by hand yet11:57
mnabil_workis there's a ubuntu source for xserver-xorg package in hardy ?12:10
maxbI don't understand that question, surely there's an ubuntu source for everything?12:12
cjwatsonmnabil_work: apt-get source xserver-xorg12:13
cjwatsonmnabil_work: also, please ask on #ubuntu next time12:13
cjwatsonseb128: I'm trying to get the GTK d-i frontend working in jaunty, and have run up against the fact that we haven't merged vte packaging from Debian in quite a while so we don't have libvte9-udeb. Any objection to me doing a full packaging merge?12:14
mnabil_workcjwatson, thanks12:16
seb128cjwatson: no objection, mvo is doing the vte work usually though so maybe worth asking him too before starting12:16
seb128mvo: ^12:16
mvocjwatson: sure, go ahead. please just keep our patches :)12:17
cjwatsonmvo: oh, of course12:17
beunopitti, would you like to get super-powers to add/edit events from the Fridge?12:20
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KeybukLibvolume_id now always probes for all known filesystems, and does not12:35
Keybukstop at the first match.12:35
Keybuk(!!)12:35
Keybukwell, that only took three years12:35
ograand takes 1h to bootup if you have many different blockdevices attached ?12:37
Keybukno more or less than it would now12:37
mok0I am doing a "pseudosync", of a package I ported to Debian, I need to set revision back from Debian's -1 to -0ubuntu3. Should I just add a changelog entry at the top where the revision number steps back?12:37
Keybukit just doesn't say "Yup, it's FAT32" anymore when it also has ext3 metadata on it12:37
Keybukit now says "I see FAT32 and ext3"12:38
ograah, nice12:38
cjwatsonmok0: why not use -1ubuntu1?12:38
persiaKeybuk, What do you mean by pseudosync?  Debian diff.gz and Ubuntu tar.gz?12:38
mok0cjwatson: Yes why not? Good idea. Thanks12:39
Keybukok, I can get that tab error when it was Kamion/Keybuk ... but ... *blink*12:39
ogram isnt to far from k on the kbd :)12:40
persiaErr.  Right.  Not tab error.  Brain error.12:40
persiamok0, What do *you* mean by pseudosync?12:40
mok0persia: 2 secs12:40
mok0persia: bug 29635412:41
ubottuLaunchpad bug 296354 in mustang "[please-sync] mustang_3.0-1 (universe) from Debian unstable" [Wishlist,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/29635412:41
persiaOh.  Yeah.  You need -1ubuntu1 for that.12:42
mok0persia: upstream packaged a new tarball with the same version no.12:42
mok0persia: dunno why that didn't occur to me...12:43
joaopintocan someone advocate http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=amoebax ? Thanks12:46
persiajoaopinto, You'd surely do better in #ubuntu-motu for that sort of request.12:46
joaopintoops, sorry, wrong channel12:50
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pittiseb128: FYI, I sub'ed you to https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/apport-retracer-maintenance14:36
seb128pitti: thanks14:36
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pittiRiddell: is https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kubuntu-ipod still an issue in Kubuntu?14:49
pittibeuno: I guess it wouldn't hurt; actually I'd just like to add the desktop team meeting there14:54
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Riddellpitti: no14:57
Riddellpitti: libical is needed in main for kdepimlibs, previously kdepimlibs had its own copy of libical, so no MIR needed?15:06
pittiRiddell: no, just a MIR bug for tracking, and a quick review of the package by MIR team15:07
pittiRiddell: one-liner bug description is enough15:07
pittidoko: bug 296466 doesn't look valid to me, but you know better15:32
ubottuLaunchpad bug 296466 in python-central "[Sync request] Please sync Python-central 0.6.8 from Debian Lenny" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/29646615:32
Keybukcjwatson: we should have a UDS spec15:41
Keybukoem-config-make-less-yoda-like15:41
Keybuk"In which country do you live, hmm?"15:41
dokopitti: yes, it is15:42
pittiKeybuk: in the dark side of the world you are15:43
KeybukI always wanted to be a Sith15:45
Keybukthey looked like they had much more fun15:45
ion_That’s an anagram.15:46
Kw4hi have a question regarding the gspca drivers on ubuntu15:51
cjwatsonKeybuk: I thought it just said "Select a city in your country and time zone", which doesn't seem too Yoda-like?15:52
Kw4hin the sourcecode from both the official gspca driver, and the gspca-source package, my webcam sensor isn't defined right15:52
Kw4hafter changing it, building the source, and reloading the driver the logs show that it still loads the wrong sensor15:53
Kw4hnow, I changed the 'gspca' module15:53
Kw4hbut, the module responsible for the webcam is 'gspca_vc032x' (which is depandant on 'gspca_main')15:53
Kw4hdoes anyone know how those two interact?15:53
Keybukcjwatson: maybe Dell have customised it?15:55
cjwatsonKeybuk: quite possibly; what did it say?15:55
Keybuk"In which country do you live?"15:55
ion_en_SW15:55
cjwatsonKeybuk: perfectly grammatical :-) but not from my oem-config15:56
Keybukthe tense is that special "I want to sound posh and use overly stupid forms" style15:57
Keybuk"Which country do you live in?"  would be much more ... well15:57
Keybukbetter15:57
cjwatsonthat's not a tense :-)15:57
cjwatsonbut yes, I agree15:57
Keybukvoice15:57
cjwatsonword order, I think15:57
cjwatson"voice" has a special grammatical meaning (active vs. passive)15:57
Keybuksorry, I'm momentarily stunned by the fact that the Mini 9 boots slower with all of the customisations than virgin ubuntu15:57
cjwatsonsome people reorder the preposition in such sentences because either (a) they've been bamboozled by the prescriptivists (b) they want to avoid long tedious arguments with people who've been bamboozled by the prescriptivists15:59
cjwatsonI often fall into (b) myself15:59
Keybukbut course of great english thing about order words matter doesn't16:00
Keybukleast at far as the sentence understanding of goes16:00
johanbrTo paraphrase Dave Barry, "Bamboozled by the prescriptivists" would make an excellent album title.16:00
calcbeuno: ping16:00
persiaKeybuk, It's a little more important than that.16:01
calcbeuno: it is #ubuntu-desktop on Tuesday at 1600UTC after all :)16:01
Keybukoh, latin, it's not; but romantic other languages better than is16:02
Kw4hehm, were my above questions readable? (so I'm not silenced or something :P)16:02
Keybukwow, that's almost, as fun as, impressions, of, William Shatner16:03
tseliot1Kw4h: maybe you should ask in #ubuntu-kernel16:04
Kw4hheh thanks16:04
Kw4hall these channels...16:04
tseliot1this channel will soon be renamed #ubuntu-english-syntax16:07
Kw4hheh, what's that about then? :P16:07
Keybukcjwatson: the only situation, offhand, that I can think of for beginning a sentence with "In which" is if you're Bob Holness16:11
cjwatsonKeybuk: as James Bond or in Blockbusters?16:12
Keybukerr, maybe I'm thinking of another Quiz Show host?16:12
cjwatsonHolness' sentences tended to begin "What P is ..."16:13
cjwatsonor similar :)16:13
Keybuk"In which town was Arthur Conan Doyle captain of the local cricket club?"16:13
Keybuktype thing16:13
* persia prefers starting sentences with "in which" when extending other's phrases.16:14
ogra"Do you live in a country ? If so, in which ?"16:15
ogra:)16:15
tseliot1isn't "In which country do you live?" more formal "Which country do you live in?" ?16:17
directhexKeybuk, you're thinking of the right one. he was the first bond, on the radio adaptations16:17
directhexas well as the presenter of shows like blockbusters16:17
tseliot1s/more formal/more formal than/16:17
Keybuktseliot1: not by any rules I'm aware of; English has few formality rules16:17
Keybukunless you're going to go for the full "In which country doest thou live?" :p16:18
Keybuk(which is actually informal, but worth a chuckle)16:18
jdongKeybuk: I suppose PERHAPS by the rule of not ending a sentence with a preposition...16:20
jdongin which country do you live is probably a BIT more formal, but meh.16:20
Keybukhttp://grammartips.homestead.com/prepositions1.html16:20
cjwatsonKeybuk: actually, the string you quoted is in UNR16:20
tseliot1Keybuk: my Irish tutor told me that word order (of course not always) can make a sentence more formal. And isn't "thou" shakespearean English?16:20
directhextseliot1, thou speakest the truth!16:21
tseliot1hehe16:21
cjwatsontseliot1: "don't end a sentence with a preposition" is an oft-quoted "rule", but English suffers from the problem that a lot of rules are made up by grammarians and don't correspond to actual language use by the best speakers and writers16:21
cjwatsonKeybuk: dost :-)16:22
Keybuktseliot1: old English, when it still had a formal you and informal þou (thou)16:22
directhexgood lord, someone using þ outside the smiley context of :-þ ?16:22
tseliot1cjwatson: my tutor didn't tell me that it was wrong to do so. I guess she learnt it from some grammar book16:22
cjwatsontseliot1: cf. languagelog for more rants on the subject :-)16:23
cjwatsontseliot1: of course, prescriptivists ultimately influence the language too16:24
tseliot1Keybuk: yes, right the "natural" evolution of languages16:24
cjwatsonanyway, way off-topic :-)16:25
tseliot1cjwatson: I didn't know that blog. Thanks for mentioning it16:25
Keybukmy English teacher tought me a wonderful rule that I always remember16:27
Keybuk"the more boring, pompous and ridiculous the sentence you write--the less likely someone will actually read it"16:27
tseliot1ok but, *in which* country did your teacher live? :-P16:28
KeybukEngland16:29
tseliot1Keybuk: jokes aside, what does it take to make a bluprint appear in this page? https://launchpad.net/sprints/uds-jaunty/+specs16:31
Keybukclick the "Propose for meeting agenda" and select uds-jaunty16:31
tseliot1ok, thanks16:31
tseliot1Keybuk: will it have to be approved by someone or am I experiencing some kind of bug? (no hurry, I just want to be sure)16:34
Keybukit will have to be approved by someone16:34
tseliot1ah, ok16:34
Keybukit helps if that someone knows what to look for16:34
tseliot1Keybuk: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/wacom-tablets-ui and https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/screen-configuration-ui16:35
Keybukah yes, I saw those16:36
Keybukwho's intending to develop them?16:36
persiatseliot1, Is there a reason wacoms should be especially different from other tablet PC touchscreens?16:37
Keybuktseliot1: done16:38
tseliot1Keybuk: thanks a lot16:38
tseliot1persia: I have yet to receive the actual (wacom) hardware via mail therefore I wouldn't know16:39
tseliot1persia: does xsetwacom work for non-wacom devices?16:40
persiatseliot1, OK.  I know there's some detail implementation differences in terms of wacom's mouse/pen/etc. support, but as a touchscreen user, I'd certainly like to be able to have something for other tablets or convertibles as well.16:40
persiaNo :)  That's why I'm hoping for something general.16:40
tseliot1persia: this is something we can discuss at the UDS16:41
persiaIndeed.16:41
tseliot1maybe ogra can be interested in this ^^ too16:42
ogranot really16:43
Keybukscheduled.16:43
ograas i said to persia in a personal chat a min ago, tablets are a lot more painful than touchscreens16:43
tseliot1ogra: I suspected that and this is why I might work on it ;)16:44
ograi love touchscreens and will take care fo all of them happily ... but leave tablets (and their ton of different input devices) to someone else as happily :)16:44
ograthough it looks like touchscreens will soon be handled by evdev upstream anyway and might not even need any distro love anymore ... i'm in contact with the upstream guy and we'll review the TS stuff in the UDS session16:46
tseliot1this would be great16:47
ograhttps://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/general-resolution-for-touchscreen-handling16:47
ogratseliot1, will you be at UDS ?16:48
tseliot1ogra: yes, I subscribed to that spec. BTW do you use GDK to deal with pointer devices of touchscreens?16:48
tseliot1yes, sure16:48
ogracool16:48
ogracurrently its all done on an xlib level through the driver16:49
ograand i bet the kde people wouldnt be happy if we defaulted to GDK for low level stuff :)16:49
tseliot1I guess they have their own way to deal with pointers with QT416:49
ograthey shouldnt16:50
ograits an xorg problem that should be solved on the xorg level16:50
tseliot1I was thinking about widgets in which you can test the pointer device16:50
ograbut it should provide some kind of API so calibration tools can hok into it16:50
tseliot1e.g. the stylus16:50
ograwell, thats why i prefer touchsreens :)16:51
tseliot1yes, that's what I meant16:51
tseliot1heh16:51
ograi dont ant to deal with stylus/eraser and frineds16:51
ogra*want16:51
ograor pressure and angle :)16:51
tseliot1can you set properties (as in touchpads)?16:53
ograyou can set the resolution16:54
ograand a long touch timer (i.e. to emulate a right click on tap+hold)16:55
tseliot1but isn't that something that randr should do?16:55
ograit can only do that if it gets the info from the driver16:55
ograand thats where it is configured atm16:55
tseliot1yes, of course the driver has to support randr16:56
ograthe movelimit parameter defines fi you use a pen or a thumb for your input16:56
ograby adjusting the resolution/sensitivity on a driver level16:56
tseliot1and do you use a daemon and/or a configuration file to make these settings permanent?16:57
ograin intrepid i only worked with the evtuch driver ... and made that use hal-input16:57
tseliot1ok, so you used an fdi file16:58
ograthe driver brings an initscript atm16:58
ograright on combination with a config file16:58
ogra*in16:58
tseliot1aah16:58
ograthe initscript iterates over the config file and calls hal-set-property16:58
ografor all adjustable configuration16:58
ograthe fdi file only holds the device identification info16:59
ograbut that might change with the upstream switch to evdev ...16:59
tseliot1ok, but what happens if X.org is restarted?16:59
ogramight not need a separate .fdi16:59
ograxorg asks hal on restart16:59
tseliot1ok, so hal properties are still there if xorg is restarted17:00
ograright17:01
tseliot1maybe I will use it for tablets when the driver works better with hal17:02
ograthat might surely help with the general setup ... but you still need additional stuff for the input devices on tablets17:02
ograsince each can have its own handling and config17:03
tseliot1I've got X-Kit for that17:03
tseliot1but it would require restarting the xserver17:03
tseliot1but of course there's xsetwacom17:03
tseliot1X-Kit --> to configure the xorg.conf17:04
ograright17:04
ograi dont want xorg.conf to be involved at all17:04
tseliot1heh, you can...17:05
NCommanderWho's archive day is it?17:20
cjwatsonis the wiki broken? :)17:20
cjwatsonhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArchiveAdministration says Riddell17:21
Riddellpitti: I've created the bugs https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sru/+bugs?field.bug_reporter=jr17:55
Riddellpitti: can I copy to -proposed?17:55
NCommanderRiddell, so svk ... :-)17:56
Keybukrickspencer3: Welcome! :p17:59
Riddellhi rickspencer318:00
RiddellNCommander: onto it18:00
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rickspencer3Hi Riddell18:11
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NCommanderKeybuk, ping19:17
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jdstrandlamont: fyi-- I just requested a sync for bind9, since you incorporated all the ubuntu changes20:58
jdstrandlamont: hi btw :)20:58
lamontjdstrand: kewl21:01
lamontwhich reminds me, I need to finish the util-linux madness21:02
* calc sees how many new MIRs he needs for OOo 3.0 and lol's21:27
calcpoor MIR review team :\21:27
calcof course poor me for having to write them all as well, heh21:28
calcits 21 binary packages, haven't verified how many sources that involves21:28
TheMusocalc: Fun.21:29
cjwatsonyou don't need MIRs if it's just replacing something already in main with similar code but a different package name21:37
cjwatsonso if OOo 2 is dropping out of main at the same time then ...21:37
calccjwatson: oh i mean the new build depends, heh :)21:39
calcOOo keeps growing new build depends21:39
cjwatsonah21:41
* cjwatson finally gets around to writing that script to check for override mismatches between architectures that he's been meaning to write for about three years21:41
cjwatsonhttp://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/architecture-mismatches.txt21:42
cjwatsonit should probably group them by source but I don't care that much21:43
* elmo cries quietly in the corner that that's even possible21:43
cjwatsonelmo: it does in theory let us get priorities right for all architectures, mind you21:44
cjwatsonnot that we've been taking advantage of it21:44
cjwatsonsome of http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/priority-mismatches.txt is hard to solve otherwise though21:44
directhexi can understand how beagle would disperse from reality for hppa OR ia64, but not both together21:47
cjwatsonit's a soyuz bug and depends on when they happened to build and when the archive admin processing NEW dealt with them21:49
cjwatsonI've fixed the overrides in the db now21:49
cjwatson(those binaries were supposed to be in main; this sort of thing is why I wrote this script ...)21:50
NCommanderhey infinity21:52
NCommandercjwatson, why is it the binaries require explicate overrides on a per-architectural basis? It seems kinda excessive ...21:57
cjwatsonsoyuz design feature/bug depending on how you look at it22:00
cjwatsonI brought it up years ago, not particularly planning to do so again though22:00
calcif i want echo the value of a variable in debian/rules like KDE_VER in the following22:04
calcBUILD_DEPS += , kdelibs$(shell echo "$(KDE_VER)+1" | bc)-dev $(KDELIBS_MINVER)22:04
calcshouldn't a line "echo $(KDE_VER)" work?22:05
wgrantcjwatson: Is that really all of them, or just those involving main? I expected there to be quite a few differences between universe/multiverse due to some Soyuz races.22:06
cjwatsonwgrant: that's all22:07
cjwatsonmodulo script bugs of course, but it doesn't hardcode main22:07
wgrantcjwatson: Hm. Maybe we detected and got them all fixed already...22:08
cjwatsonwgrant: it doesn't check "source in universe, binaries in multiverse" type problems22:08
wgrantRight.22:08
cjwatsonwhich I suspect are more common22:08
wgrantI was wondering about that, because that happens a bit.22:08
wgrantBecause override changes go wrong when something is in UNAPPROVED or NEW.22:09
cjwatsonmight be able to do that, just more complicated logic because that sort of thing is sometimes ok22:09
calcgar heisenbug22:09
wgrantChecking for source in universe + all binaries in multiverse, should yield fairly usable results.22:09
cjwatsonyeah, that's true22:10
wgrantWell, source in some component and no binaries in that component, in general.22:11
cjwatsonhttp://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/architecture-mismatches # warning: not exactly pretty, but patches welcome22:12
* cjwatson goes out for a bit22:12
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calcwe are in alpha 1 freeze right now, correct?22:23
directhexo_o freezes?22:23
directhexin november?22:23
RainCTdirecthex: soft freeze in main, for the CD22:27
RainCT*alpha CD22:27
RainCTdirecthex: seems like you're missing some ML subscriptions ;)22:27
directhexRainCT, more mailing lists? no ta :|22:28
RainCTdirecthex: I think those are send devel-announce or something like that.. low traffic ;P22:29
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NCommanderinfinity, pitti, ping23:41
NCommandercjwatson, ping23:43
NCommanderKeybuk, ping?23:43
* NCommander needs someone who can rescore builds :-/23:44

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