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[Solars]has the new version be made public yet?00:02
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eolo999hi i was fighting with amanda-backup-server... and i lost... can you suggest me an easier backup server solution?00:47
Deeps!backup | eolo99900:48
ubottueolo999: There are many ways to back your system up. Here's a few: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DuplicityBackupHowto , https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HomeUserBackup , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MondoMindi - See also !sbackup and !cloning00:48
eolo999Deeps: thx00:48
eolo999!sbackup00:51
ubottusbackup is a tool to create complete and/or incremental backups (which can be scheduled to be automatic, and can be done over a network). It is available in !Universe00:51
[Solars]is it consider safe to upgrade to 8.10?01:11
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uvirtbotNew bug: #299306 in samba (main) "Permission denied of usershares statfile in Samba 3.0.28a-1ubuntu4.7" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/29930603:06
Fenix|homeGreetings04:51
Fenix|homeHow the heck to I change the default locale from POSIX to en_CA.UTF-8 ?04:51
Fenix|homethe locale already exists.  I added LANG="en_CA.UTF-8" and LANGUAGE="en_CA:en" to /etc/environment... but it keeps coming back as POSIX04:52
jmarsdenOn a server, or on a desktop?  On a Ubuntu desktop you can use the GUI System -> Administration -> Language Support04:59
jmarsdenYou did log out and back in again after editing /etc/environment?04:59
jlcanyway to get any type of status while formating a file system during server install, its just kind of sitting at 33% for about an hour or so06:42
jlc8.04.01 server /home 2.3ish TB06:43
hadsDoesn't soundright06:43
hadss/dr/d r/06:43
jlci know it takes awhile but its quiet some time06:43
jlc:)06:43
jlcif i got to another tty and sign in, tty4 shows i signed in so its reponding06:44
jlcI don't remember it taking this long06:45
jlcany chance 2.+TB is to big to do on ubuntu server 8.04?06:48
jlci cant possibly think of an option that would do that in the kernel06:48
jmarsdenjlc: It's possible.  Google for ext3 filesystem limits and see what you get?06:48
jlci had opensuse on here for the last week playing around with it, before that it was running centos06:49
jlcbut i've been using ubuntu any more on the desktop, thought i might as well use it on my servers so i was starting to roll it out06:49
jmarsdenAnd you frequently have single filesystems over 2GB?  fsck must take a little while :-)06:50
jmarsden2TB I mean.06:50
hadsHmm good point, 2TB may be the limit for ext306:50
jlcI just have a raid 5 and make /home the whole shebang06:51
jmarsdenLimit is officially block size dependent per http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ext3#Size_limits06:51
jmarsdenBut is 2TB if your block size is 1kb06:51
jlcmy wife is a photographer so i backup her data, she is using about 1tb on another server and I back it up to this one, except for right now :)06:52
* hads hugs JFS06:52
jmarsdenMaybe make a /home of say 500GB and a /home/wife of the rest?06:52
jlcoh06:53
jlclol06:53
jlcit just started06:53
jlc:)06:53
jlconly 1.5 hours of formating06:53
jmarsdenOK, problem solved :-)06:53
hadsInteresting06:53
jlclol06:53
hadsext3 does things slowly with large filesystems, I didn't know it was that slow at formatting though.06:54
jlci've had other linux and bsd on here so i didn't think it was ext3 or linux specific but possibly something in the kernel06:54
jlcyou think xfs might be better on here07:02
jlclast time i tried jfs it was pretty slow but that was smaller FS and about 5 years ago07:02
jlcreason for one large fS was just because its raid 5 and the OS is sitting on a mirror, but if OS goes down, hopefully i could just come back and mount the whole thing07:04
jlcinstall done, 2.4TB is the size of /home07:15
jlcis jfs/xfs still being maintained?07:23
sorenSure.07:26
jlcyeah, looking at jfs change log now07:27
* soren recommends xfs07:28
jlcyeah, its a toss up right now between the two, i was using ext3 but it is slow and i figure now is a good as time as any to try one07:28
jlckeep in mind this is a 2.+TB FS07:28
* soren shrugs07:28
sorenShouldn't be a problem for XFS at least.07:29
jlcyeah, both seem to do good on large FS from what I'm reading, just cant decide07:29
sorenI've (not surprisingly) tested it, but it's supposed to handle volumes of up to 16 exabytes. I trust that should suffice for your use case for quite some time.. :)07:29
jlcI did have a bad experience with xfs several years ago07:29
jlcyeah:)07:30
sorenPfft. JFS only handles up to 32 PB volumes.07:32
soren:)07:32
hadsheh07:35
hadsXFS seems to be more common. I just chose JFS a while back and have stuck with it, haven't had any issues so no reason to change.07:36
jlcinteresting07:42
jlcjfs just took about 2 minutes to format the 2.6TB07:42
henkjanwhere ext3 took a couple of hours to finish?07:43
jlcabout an 1hour and half07:43
jlci made an small ext3 /boot, 2gb swap, 150gb jfs / and 2.6TB jfs /home07:44
jlcother than ufs/zfs its been a long time since I used anything other than ext3 ;)07:45
hadsfsck is a major difference.07:45
jlcbtrfs sounds like it will be nice07:46
krautmoin08:00
_rubenhrm .. ubuntu's (hardy) mail command doesnt allow for attachments to be added using -a, bah09:34
_rubenlets see if nail or another variant is available which does allow attachments09:34
Kamping_Kaiseris that mailx or mailutils mail?09:37
_rubenmailx, but apparently mailutils' behaves the same09:38
_rubenim used to nail (which is the mail command on suse)09:39
henkjaninstall mutt ;)09:39
* Kamping_Kaiser bes supprised09:39
_rubenhenkjan: i might actually have to resort to smth like that :)09:39
_rubenthis (backup) script has to run on both suse and ubuntu .. it attaches the logfiles, which doesnt work on ubuntu now :/09:40
_rubenapparently mutt can be used as a drop-in replacement for mail/nail, nice09:42
Kamping_Kaiser:/09:42
Kamping_Kaiseri should learn to use mail, never knew how to do attachments09:42
_rubenKamping_Kaiser: with mailx you cant, with nail and mutt u use -a file09:43
Kamping_Kaiser_ruben, bother, now i have to learn mutt :p09:44
spiekeyHello!09:49
spiekeysoren: are you there mate? :)09:49
sorenspiekey: I am.09:55
spiekeysoren: have you ever got a "recent" kernel running with xen?09:58
spiekey2.6.24 or above?09:58
sorenYes.09:58
* spiekey thinks soren was the virtuallisation master09:58
spiekeysoren: is there a howot?09:58
spiekeyhowto?09:58
sorenYes, here: "Just do it"09:58
sorenWhat's up?09:58
LoveGuruIs there any Gud tutorial  for howto setup "mail server" ?09:59
jlcwhat is the difference in dns on server and workstation/desktop installs?09:59
jlcI can't ping my server by hostname09:59
jlcnsswitch.conf is a bit different10:00
jlcserver = hosts:          files dns10:00
spiekeysoren: the patches and stuff is available at xen.org?10:00
jlcdesktop = hosts:          files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns mdns410:00
andolLoveGuru: Will these do? https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/serverguide/C/email-services.html10:00
henkjanjlc: you ping $hostname.local ?10:00
sorenspiekey: I just use the Ubuntu kernels.10:01
henkjanjlc: the server has no default avahi installed10:01
sorenjlc: You can't ping the server from the server?10:01
jlchenkjan: yes10:01
jlci can ping server from server but not desktop to server10:01
jlci can ping workstation via hostname from server too10:02
sorenAccesssing other machines on the network by their hostname without support from DNS requires avahi.10:02
jlcavahi-daemon10:03
jlcis that what I need on the server10:04
jlcor configure it as a dns server10:04
jlchttps://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/serverguide/C/dns.html10:04
henkjanusing avahi on local network is imho no problem10:05
henkjanbut avahi exposes all running services to everyone10:05
henkjanmaybe you won't install it on a colocated server10:05
jlcits just local/home10:05
sorenavahi will only work on a LAN anyway.10:05
sorenInstalling it on a colocated server won't let you ping it by hostname.10:06
LoveGuruandol: thanks sorry i didn't see ur msg10:17
jlcok, so now i can ping hostname.local10:18
jlcwhat is the desktop running that gives the ability to just ping by hostname, minus the .local?10:22
micheluntujlc: I use the "search" line in /etc/resolv.conf ..10:27
jlci checked that, both are the same10:29
jlcjustin@kainos:~$ ping krutch10:29
jlcping: unknown host krutch10:29
jlckrutch.local <- works now that avahi-deamon is installed10:29
Deepscould manually update your windows network settings to add the dns suffix .local10:30
Deepsnot exactly ideal though10:31
jlcyeah, and thats not windows ;)10:31
jlckainos is 8.10 desktop10:31
jlckrutch is 8.04 server10:31
Deepsoh, i thought you were doing something with windows, my bad10:31
jlcno worries10:31
jlcjust cant hit server by hostname alone10:32
Deepsyou have search local in your resolv.conf?10:32
micheluntudns suffix is used on linux too.. it's the search entry10:32
jlchurm10:32
jlcmicheluntu: on the server right10:33
Deepson both10:33
micheluntuon both10:33
jlcit finds the domain name that my router is pushing out10:33
jlcsearch gateway.2wire.net10:34
jlcboth have the same10:34
Deepsadd search local above that, see if it makes a difference10:34
micheluntuit's passed by dhcp10:34
micheluntuyou can modify the router to use "local" instead of "gateway.2wire.net"10:35
jlcyeah, but why do desktop installs work fine10:35
jlcfreebsd also works10:35
jlcseems confusing :)10:36
jlci'll check it out later, its 4:40am and I need to get up around 6-6:30 before my kids so... ;)10:37
jlci shall get some rest10:37
jlcthanks for your help10:37
micheluntujlc:  ok see you.. there is domain-name entry in avahi-daemon.conf10:40
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Stonekeeperhi. As a little experiment I've installed fvwm and slim on a default ubuntu server. On reboot, init shows that slim is attempting to start but it doesn't actually seem to do anything. Any ideas?13:34
Deepslook in the logs?13:38
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spiekeycan  i map /dev/mapper/foo to /dev/sg0 somehow?15:02
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zulmathiaz: when you get a chance can you have a look at the mysql merge, its giving me grief when building it15:44
mathiazzul: sure15:44
zulmathiaz: thanks15:44
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uvirtbotNew bug: #299481 in nagios-plugins (universe) "Please merge nagios-plugins 1.4.12-4 (main) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/29948116:11
zulKoon: ping I was basically done nagios-plugins, I just have to update the changelog16:16
Koonzul: arg :)16:16
Koonzul: interested in my debdiff ? I just had to do some sanity tests and check if it closed existing bugs16:18
zulKoon: sure16:18
Koonzul: attached to the bug16:26
zulKoon: thanks16:27
Koonzul: note that I still had to validate the check_http segfault is really fixed upstream.16:30
zulKoon: kk16:31
zulKoon: uploaded16:50
Koonzul: yours or mine ? If mine, I hope you fixed the LP:xxxxxx entry :)16:50
zulKoon: mine16:51
Koonheh -- great :)16:51
uvirtbotNew bug: #299489 in nut (universe) "[jaunty] /usr/lib/libupsclient1.so is a dangling link" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/29948917:07
Deepswow, thats nuts, centos default install installs portmap, nfs, and has ssh1 enabled out of the box17:21
dou213hi guys, my kvm doesn't acknowledge my keyboard on boot, so i can't choose the os from grub17:22
dou213any ideas?17:22
Deepsremove the kvm, plug in directly?17:22
dou213i'm using more than one pc, so i need the kvm17:24
Deepsreplace the kvm with one that works with your hardware17:25
dou213Deeps: do u use kvm? may i ask which firm?17:26
Deepsi dont, no17:26
Deepsnot currently, anyway17:26
dou213asked in other channels, seems that kvms from Belkin work just fine17:27
dou213mine is Zonet17:27
dana_gooddou213: how old is the computer that isn't recognizing the KVM keyboard?17:35
dou213dana_good: it is old, a pentium 217:36
dana_gooddou213: power the server off completely and then start it up with its channel selected on the kvm the whole time, if that doesn't work, its not compatible with that kvm17:37
dana_goodand probably not compatible with any KVM17:37
dou213dana_good: when i reboot, it allows me to enter setup, thus use keyboard to press DEL, only in GRUB it won't work17:38
sorenHow do you connect keyboards to KVM's these days? USB? PS/2? DIN :) ?17:38
dou213mine is usb17:38
dana_gooddou213: that makes no sense, i can't think of any solutions17:38
sorendou213: Are you connecting the USB directly to the old machine or are you using a usb->ps/2 adapter?17:39
dou213dana_good: i also tried increasing the time of the bootloader to 1 minute, maybe it needs some time to acknowledge the keyboard, nothing!17:39
dana_goodsoren: theres USB and PS/2 kvms as well as weird sun and adb connectors17:39
dou213soren: neither nor, i'm connecting the keyboard (usb) to the kvm17:39
sorendana_good: Sorry if I was unclear. I meant the garden variety KVM, not the weird old sun types.17:39
sorendou213: That's what I meant by "directly to the old machine"..  Have you tried connecting a usb keyboard to it directly?17:40
dou213soren: no, 'til today i had a ps/2 keyboard connected...17:41
sorendana_good: I'm familiar with the existense of KVM's for PS/2 as well as DIN... I'm just wondering what you get if you just order a KVM switch. What the default is.17:41
sorendou213: Try it. Make sure you're barking up the right tree.17:41
dou213soren: but it makes no sense, why would it work in bios and not grub?17:41
sorendou213: If the machine doesn't like USB at all, it's hardly the kvm's fault.17:41
sorendou213: GRUB and the BIOS both work in mysterious ways.17:42
dou213soren: lol17:42
sorendou213: Sometimes, there's an option in the BIOS to do USB legacy support or something like that.17:42
sorenBut at any rate: Try connecting a usb keyboard directly and see if it flies.17:43
ElDelfindoes anybody know of any fserves for linux that work?  I just completed looking at about 8 for xchat, and only one worked, and couldn't send a file based on a trigger.  I'm going to install FindBot for IRSSi, and if it doesn't work, that'll be all the scripts I know about on linux.17:43
dou213soren: omw17:43
sorenElDelfin: I think there were about 7 words in there that I completely understood.17:44
sorenElDelfin: fserves?17:44
Deepsirc fileserving scripts17:44
sorensend a file based on a trigger?17:44
sorenFor what?17:44
* soren is failing at IRC right now, apparantly17:45
sorendou213: "omw"?17:45
Deepsgenerally they initiate a dcc chat with the requestor, who can then browse a filesystem and request files17:45
sorenOh, "on my way"17:45
sorenI get it.17:45
sorenDeeps: Why? What's the benefit over ftp or http or whatever?17:45
Deepshttp and ftp sites can be found by spiders, fserves generally arent, and thus make them useful for warez17:46
ElDelfinunlike ftp, you can request files when a lot of other ppl want files from the servers17:46
ElDelfinthen, they are in a queue.17:46
Deepsand that17:46
* soren mumbles something about bittorrent17:46
ElDelfinwith an ftp, you can't queue up yer file and leave.17:46
sorenAnyhow, ElDelfin, I don't think this is the best channel for that sort of question.17:47
ElDelfinbit torrents are gr8, but there are things on IRC that are not on bit torrents.17:47
sorenIf it were me, I would probably ask in one of the channels where such "fserves" hang out.17:47
ElDelfinok.  ubuntu server.  what ubuntu # do i ask ?'s about servers on ubuntu in?17:47
sorenElDelfin: Are  you saying that you're going to use your fserve to put things on irc that are already on irc?17:47
ElDelfinno.  things that are not already on irc17:48
DeepsElDelfin: suppose you were doing tihs on windows, would you ask in #windows? or would you ask in a channel related to what you're doing?17:48
sorenElDelfin: Then I don't understand your argument against bittorrent.17:48
sorenElDelfin: You don't want to use bittorrent, because there's stuff on irc that isn't on bittorrent. You use this as an argument for putting more stuff on IRC. I don't get it.17:49
ElDelfinit's a fine way to offer, and i may do that too.  i like the content in some irc #'s, and think some might be more appreciated there.17:49
sorenAsk in one of those channels then.17:49
ElDelfinwell, perhaps #windows-servers, but then, it might could be more specific yet.  there are more windows users.17:50
ElDelfini don't know of a better ubuntu #, although i'm open to ideas.17:50
Deepsi'd imagine a channel that'd be comprised of people interested in active directory, exchange, terminal services, zfs, etc probably wouldn't care too much about your irc service17:50
Deepszfs? lol, dfs.17:50
sorenElDelfin: For someone who's open to ideas you certainly seem to ignore them a lot.17:51
ElDelfinhow so?17:51
dou213soren: update: when i connect the keyboard(usb) directly to the server, it also doesn't work in grub.. maybe there is some option in bios which i must change17:51
sorenElDelfin: I keep telling you to ask in the channels where users of these fserves hang out.17:51
sorendou213: How about that.. :)17:51
ElDelfinok, twice just now.  sorry to keep answering questions and keep talking to you.17:52
sorenElDelfin: I'm not trying to be difficult. I'm just pointing out that this channel probably isn't the best place to ask. It's hardly our fault that we're not experts on sharing warez over IRC. We deal with free software here...17:52
dou213soren: at least we're one step further... :) but what now?17:52
dana_goodsoren: i think there's a transitional period right now. most KVMs have USB and PS/2 for the console and support both for connecting to servers. the new trend is ethernet based KVM cables, which can convert from basically anything to ethernet.17:52
sorendou213: I'd a) go looking for that option in the BIOS and failing that b) go to the nearest hardware store and buy myself a usb->ps/2 connector.17:53
sorenElDelfin: I'm not trying to be difficult. I'm just pointing out that this channel probably isn't the best place to ask. It's hardly our fault that we're not experts on sharing warez over IRC. We deal with free software here...17:53
ElDelfinbtw: soren, you're a real prick.17:53
sorenGlad I could help.17:53
dou213soren: option b) is not valid, for my kvm has no ps/2 compatibility17:54
sorenI'm not sure how those things actually work.17:56
* soren wonders what he meant by "sorry to keep answering questions and keep talking to you"17:57
sorenI have IRC logs going back more than a year. He's been here twice, both times asking questions about sending files over IRC.17:58
* soren shrugs17:58
paul687hi I wan to set up my server as router however when I ping from my dlink towards my eth0 it is working but can't connect to eth1 the same goes if I connect through the linksys how do I solve this18:45
martyn_Hi dudes. I have a server with named ansuk.org a sub-domain atlas.ansuk.org.  Currently if people enter www.ansuk.org they go to the main site but have to drop the www to use the atlas sub.  Am I correct in thinking I use a CNAME in the DNS record, to add www.atlas.ansuk.org to atlas.ansuk.org.  Currently anything with www at the front goes to the main site.19:14
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Deepsok so....19:31
Deepsi've used vmware-mount.pl to mount a virtual disk in a screen session19:31
Deepsi've since detached from that screen and attempted to make some changes to the mounted filesystem19:31
Deepsthe terminal i did that in hung, and when i tried to do an ls -l in a second terminal i had active within that fs, to see if it was doing the changes (chown), just slowly, it hung too19:32
Deepsnow i cant get another ssh session up19:32
chanibalhey, i'm just in the process of upgrading 8.04->8.10 (server edition) and do-release-upgrade hung on * Setting up console font and keymap... - anyone had smth like that?19:32
Deepsthe box still pings, but i cant ssh in anymore :/19:32
Deepsi have 2 stalled ssh sessions19:33
Deepsctrl+c doesn't work, ctrl+z doesn't work, any suggestions?19:33
NCommanderDeeps, no idea, I've never had an issue doing it over remote, but I'd never upgrade a server unless I was sitting next to it, or someone I know was :-)19:34
[Solars]is it consider safe to upgrade from 8.04 to 8.10 now?19:34
Deepsurr, you mean chanibal?19:34
DeepsNCommander: urr, you mean chanibal?19:34
NCommander[Solars], only if you have hugged your backup19:34
DeepsNCommander: since i'm not trying to upgrade anything.... :p19:35
chanibalDeeps: there's a magic control+/ (or \) that sends some other signal, perhaps that?19:36
chanibal(through i have no idea what's the issue :D)19:36
Deepschanibal: ta, ctrl+\ does nothing, ctrl+/ echos ^_ to the screen :(19:36
chanibalhm... worked on my urxvt, through on localbox, no ssh19:37
Deepsi have a feeling the machine's running out of file descriptors or something19:38
Deepsas now a couple of the vms wont let me establish new sessions19:38
chanibalthere was something to read those, somewhere in /proc19:38
chanibalbut the limit was very high if i remember correctly19:39
Deepscant get onto the machine, it's in london, i'm in ireland, heh19:39
chanibalgood thing my problem sits next to me, only doesn't have a monitor19:39
chanibalhm... maybe it's because i run do-release-upgrade on a screen?19:40
Deepsit's possible19:40
chanibal(by screen i mean /bin/screen not monitor or smth)19:40
Deepsyep19:40
chanibalor, so i'll disconnect from everything i can and reconnect, if the problem persists you'll see me again soon19:41
chanibaleh, done a ^C on the font issue and now aptitude works kinda in the background and the whole console is full of python tracebacks and apt errors :/19:47
LamoWhen setting up a ubuntu web server for development which version is best to install?19:47
Deepschanibal: sounds about normal, safe to ignore most of that19:48
DeepsLamo: the latest, if you want the newest versions19:48
Lamothinking I'll get 8.0419:49
chanibalaptitude seems to pick up when the errors started, still some hope...19:49
Lamo8.10 is still giving me random freezing on my desktop19:49
Deepsok then19:49
chanibaloh, and having a error in initramfs generation isn't a thing to ignore...19:49
Deepsno19:50
chanibal^%#$% ^%#@!19:51
uvirtbotchanibal: Error: "%#$%" is not a valid command.19:51
chanibalKonfigurowanie console-setup (1.25ubuntu3) ... * Setting up console font and keymap...19:51
chanibalbroke again19:51
chanibalwhat the hell is that console-setup package anyway19:52
chanibalttys or smth19:52
chanibal?19:52
Deepsi do not know, sorry19:52
chanibaland just wondering, your /usr/share/aptitude/aptitude-defaults.pl:49 also had errors? someone made the strings in the localisation incorrectly19:53
chanibalok, found the bug19:56
chanibalgetty was broken19:56
chanibalthe one on console 119:56
chanibalany idea if the upgrade required a restart?19:57
chanibalnvm, will do one anyway, see you20:00
Deepsthe upgade should require a restart, yeah20:01
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uvirtbotNew bug: #299638 in bind9 (main) "Please sync bind9 1:9.5.0.dfsg.P2-4 (main) from Debian unstable (main)." [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/29963821:06
[Solars]is it consider safe to upgrade from 8.04 to 8.10 now?21:52
Deepsok, done a hard reboot on the server, still cant ssh in, installed telnetd, that also just connects and then drops22:45
Deepslightttpd works though, as does the vmware httpd + normal logins22:46
Deepsany suggestions on something i can run to allow a remote terminal?22:46
Deepsnothing appearing in /var/log/(messages|syslog)22:47
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LamoAfter adding a https source to my sources.lst file for mysql I receive the error "E: The method driver /usr/lib/apt/methods/https could not be found." when running apt-get update. does apt not support https? if so why does mysql offer it for ubuntu?23:02
LamoAfter adding a https source to apt I get the following error'E: The method driver /usr/lib/apt/methods/https could not be found.' Does apt not support https?23:09
Lamosorry for reposting my irc client crashed23:10
Deepsit would appear not23:10
Lamoweird though cause mysql offers a repo for apt with it23:11
zoopsterdo you have apt-transport-https installed?23:20
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zoopsterit is not installed by default23:21
Lamoah ill check thanks23:22
Lamoah ha23:23
Lamoawesome23:23
Lamothanks23:23
zoopsterSure.23:23

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