[00:00] I usually share files via a server [00:00] question, why is thunar copying instead of moving when i drag and drop (yes i know shift changes this) [00:00] khan12234232: because you drag between different partitions [00:01] or different disks [00:01] no, from home folder (same partition) and desktop, again same partition [00:01] shouldn't do that :/ [00:02] maybe I have the solution [00:02] I can't mount the folder cause it's an extern device [00:02] ?? [00:02] an usb - hd [00:03] I really don't know, I wonder if there is a #samba channel [00:03] sorry [00:03] I was thinking to be in samba client [00:03] lol [00:04] no, I'm just saying that here doesn't appear to be anyone knowledgable, so maybe there is someone on #samba or even ##windows [00:04] or #ubuntu [00:14] how do i browse network shares (and mount them) in xubuntu [01:05] http://tinyurl.com/249rjg [05:07] anybody know how to fix the bug where you have to disable/enable the ubuntu addon for ff3 in order to connect to sites? [05:07] should i just remove the addon? [06:45] how to set xterm to it's defaults, using .Xdefaults file? === wormsxulla_ is now known as wormsxulla [08:43] i try to use monaco fonts as my xterm default by setting .Xdefaults. I read about the command xfontsel that open dialog with all the options of fonts and help in creating the line in .Xdefaults. from some reason i don't see monaco there eventhough i installed Monaco_Linux on my machine. any idea? === wormsxulla_ is now known as wormsxulla [09:21] Ok [09:21] how do i configure synaptics now? [09:21] im not talking to the frontend of apt [09:21] but the controlling of tbe touchpad to laptops [11:07] my update of the packages is stuck on [11:07] 40% [Connecting to no.archive.ubuntu.com (2001:700:300:1800::b)] [11:07] but i can ping it with no problem [11:08] anybody know anything about that? === rubix__ is now known as magic_ninja [12:05] hi [12:14] hi there, sound trouble on xubuntu 8.04 with a santa cruz soundcard (Sound Fusion CS46xx): 1- it plays , then keeps on playing but sounds stop 2- I can hear sound from line in, but trying to recordwith audacity does not show any volume . anyone got a clue? [12:55] if anyone has an answer for bad-wire give it to me please :) [12:56] * bad-wire is out of here === web_know1 is now known as web_knows [14:51] on the same question from bad-wire: after installing ubuntu-desktop: playback works fine on there. [15:05] how do i add a program to startup [15:28] Hello, my friends. I am trying Xubuntu Live CD, it's really simple but very accurate and very logical [15:38] I'm having some sound troubles. [15:38] root has sound, but users don't unless I change the permissions to /dev/snd to 777. [15:39] All my users are members of "audio'. [15:39] I'm not sure how to start troubleshooting this. [15:40] Any suggestions would be appreciated. [15:42] not the easiest version for sound xubuntu unfortunately, been having problems since this morning and no answer so far, but patience should pay [15:46] One thing, how can I make to connect to my WiFi net? [15:46] Or maybe if I am using the CD Live version the feature is not working? [15:46] juanantonio: depends on the wireless card you're using [15:47] Conceptronic [15:48] very usable, even in Windows Xp and Suse [15:48] ubd: in the settings manager Menu -> Settings -> Settings Manager look for "Autostarted Applications" [15:48] juanantonio: you familiar w/ network-manager-gnome? [15:49] juanantonio: lives in your system tray, lets you handle network connections [15:49] I do not know, in this PC I have Kubuntu [15:50] juanantonio: ahh... perhaps the #kubuntu channel then [15:50] Yes, it is up in my Xfce Desktop, 0.7.0 version [15:50] Neozen, the PC I have problems in is ruuning Xubuntu 8.10 [15:50] juanantonio: am confused... do you have a connection on the computer with xfce, or not? [15:51] I have no connection [15:51] juanantonio: ok... [15:51] juanantonio: you should see a networking icon in the system tray [15:51] juanantonio: I believe xubuntu puts it in the top right by default [15:52] Yes, I can see two PCs with a red X close to the espeaker icon [15:52] Yes, it is in the top [15:52] juanantonio: wonderful, if you click it do you see wireless networks? [15:54] Yes, I can see my net. I was clicking right button, I just clicked left one [15:54] What must I do? Justo to click and everything will be working? [15:54] juanantonio: still can't get a connection? [15:55] juanantonio: or was just a left-click vs right-click confusion? [15:55] One second, I am typing my password [15:56] juanantonio: k [15:56] Everything is allright, Neozen. Thank you, I am so new, hehehe [15:57] juanantonio: fyi ... you'd do the same thing to connect to a wireless network in regular ubuntu (GNOME) [15:57] juanantonio: hehee... np [15:58] Ok, my friend, I am getting used to Kubuntu just because in my beginning in Linux I installed SuSE 10.1 [15:59] * neozen nods [15:59] and now I want to know everything about Xubuntu to see if I can resurrect some PIII I have in my old house to download [15:59] juanantonio: I started w/ xu a few years ago when I was new to linux w/ a working gui [16:00] juanantonio: (messed w/ Redhat WAYYYYYYY back in the day (2000) for about 3 weeks trying to get X to work) [16:00] Hehehe. And what is your opinion about X 8.10? [16:00] juanantonio: I've found it to be quite speedy [16:01] just onstalled Xubuntu on a P3, works fine appart from that sound problem [16:01] juanantonio: I like the modifications they've made to network manager [16:01] I see it with less applications than Kubuntu, but all I need [16:01] juanantonio: *pulled in from upstream on network manager [16:02] juanantonio: nice to have more then one simultaneous connection (ie... both wireless and wired) supported and visible in the gui [16:02] Ok, I didn't know it before. But do you think it is a very competent distro? [16:03] juanantonio: I believe so. [16:03] Yes, I understand what you mean; I saw it when I was connecting [16:03] juanantonio: I don't agree with some of their choices for default video applications, etc [16:04] For example? [16:04] juanantonio: but they're understandable given licensing concerns [16:04] juanantonio: I'm an mplayer user [16:04] juanantonio: tends to work w/o prompting me to pull down alot of codecs [16:05] Yes, I downloaded it in this PC [16:05] juanantonio: vlc is a second choice [16:05] but I am getting used to Kaffeine [16:05] In Xubuntu appears...let me see [16:05] juanantonio: in my experience, if one won't play an encrypted dvd, the other will [16:06] "Reproductor de películas", hehehe [16:06] juanantonio: never used Kaffeine... or KDE actually [16:06] I am in a Spanish PC and everything is default, hehehe [16:06] Xubuntu comes with Totem [16:06] juanantonio: hehehe [16:07] and uses some of the GStreamer [16:07] juanantonio: yep [16:07] no idea of what this program will make, hehehe [16:07] juanantonio: never really liked totem... am more a fan of minimal interfaces and keyboard shortcuts [16:07] but I am not using DVD in the Xubuntu PC [16:07] juanantonio: thus mplayer-nogui ;) [16:08] Ok. But MPlayer is in the Ubuntu repos, ins't it? [16:09] juanantonio: yep [16:10] I am checking them, my God, there are programs even for treating your bad knee ;) [16:11] One question, Xubuntu says acts in some way when you connect a PDA to it. Can I synchronize it? [16:13] No fear, going to connect it, hehehe [16:13] juanantonio: don't know... depends on the pda and how it interfaces to linux in general [16:14] Yes. It is an HTC 3300 [16:14] juanantonio: I use an ancient palm IIIc (go ahead, laugh ;) ) and link it periodically with the pilot-link suite [16:14] juanantonio: but that's me [16:14] juanantonio: and yeah, the repositories have a TON of programs [16:14] juanantonio: for everything [16:15] juanantonio: including KDE if you want it.... [16:15] juanantonio: any desktop can be installed from any other [16:15] Hehehe. One program for linking it? Because with Kubuntu I am not very sure about what [16:15] juanantonio: all packages that end in -desktop so xubuntu-desktop kubuntu-desktop etc [16:16] juanantonio: don't know of the HTC [16:16] Yes, I am re-new in Linux but I did know it ;) [16:17] juanantonio: weren't sure of which app? [16:18] Yes, I am not sure about the app needed [16:18] juanantonio: ah... worst case try googling your pda model and 'linux' [16:19] Good idea, thank you [16:21] I was adviced to install Xubuntu with LXDE desktop, what do you think about it? [16:23] juanantonio: I remember you asking about lxde before. I honestly think you should stick with xfce for now. [16:24] Yes, dcolish, I asked because I wanted to know the biggest amout of opinions === wormsxulla_ is now known as wormsxulla [16:30] One question, how can I stablish a net between 2 or 3 linux PCs? === rheflin is now known as neozen [16:35] juanantonio: sry bout that... cellular link went boom (dratted windows mobile phone :P) [16:36] Ok, ma, I know this error and all Vista errors...that is why I am getting started with Linux [16:37] ma? [16:37] man ;) [16:37] ah [16:39] I am very impressed with general configuration of Xubuntu, and I am using CD Live version [16:39] yeh its great i run it on most of my systems [16:40] great on the netbook and on the desktop [16:40] * neozen ndos [16:40] *nods [16:40] use it on my thinkpad from work [16:40] For sure. It must be around 30% faster than Kubuntu with all the services it runs, don't you think so? [16:40] haven't needed to install anything else yet (though work keeps pushing for office 2007)... [16:40] that..... won't be fun [16:41] office 07 is a bitch [16:42] i write a lot of technical reports for uni, with some mental equations, every one else uses mathtype so i have to use it now and again for group reports [16:42] meggark: "its like little gnomes tore apart my office suite and moved things where I'd never think to put them" --one of our devs [16:42] I am going to install 2003 if needed only because I have the key and to sync with my PPC Phone [16:42] lol [16:42] as I see it, best way to install office or corel wp is in a windows virtual machine [16:43] yeh took me ages to get used to the UI, its actually quite nice to use when u get used to it but its such a resource hog [16:43] prefer openoffice anyday [16:43] Neozen, you are right [16:43] Meggark, definitely it is mucho better and faster [16:44] One question, [16:44] neozen: you ever try wine? [16:44] can I make one key open my applcations menu, just as the Start key does in Windows? [16:44] dcolish: yeah [16:45] dcolish: use for starcraft ;) [16:45] ah, nice, hows the perfomance? I've never been blown away by it [16:45] dcolish: depends on what you're running in it [16:45] lets say starcraft [16:46] dcolish: seemed snappy to me [16:46] dcolish: aside from the battle.net gui going all screwy of course [16:47] dcolish: main problem w/ wine is that app is not always supported [16:48] neozen: thats good to hear, there was a while when wine was really bad [16:48] The crossover guys have done a lot for the project [16:48] dcolish: don't think I ever encountered it in that time [16:48] dcolish: first time was ~ 2006-2007 [16:49] yeah its been good for the past few years [16:49] dcolish: used it to run IE for a while since work had a web-based app for timesheets that only worked in ie6 [16:49] (yuk) [16:50] neozen: I feel your pain, i still have to support ie6 [16:52] thats the only thing that annoys me about using xubuntu, the inability to watch streaming media from five on demand and a few other broadcasters who use that damn windows media plugin [16:53] other than that i've found plenty alternative for everything else id do [18:15] how can I get xubuntu's default x terminal to display special characters properly? like spanish and french characters with accents [18:54] brewmaster: it does so by default [18:56] TheSheep, hrm, not mine... [18:56] could it be a pine issue? [18:57] brewmaster: is it run on the same host? [18:57] Yeah [18:57] what does the line 'echo $LANG' say? [18:57] so yeah, i can see special character in vim, but not in pine [18:58] en_CA.UTF-8 [18:58] brewmaster: try to configure pine to use utf-8 for output [18:58] although it should do so by default [18:59] but maybe it's not configured properly on ubuntu, it's not commonly used program after all on desktop distributions [19:01] TheSheep, yeah, it looks like I need a patch of some kind [19:01] try mutt :) [19:03] blashemy! that's like telling a vi user to user emacs :P [19:03] better than telling them to use MS Word [19:04] besides pine is more emacs-like and mutt more vi-like ;) [19:04] or rather pine is more nano/pico-like :P [19:12] brewmaster: you might not mind sup then? [19:15] dcolish, yeah, it looks pretty nice [19:15] yeah its all in ruby, uses the ncurses bidnings [20:59] hi everyone [20:59] I wonder if anybody could help me with a quick question I have about xubuntu? I'm new to the OS. [21:00] salutations xanxor [21:00] hi neozen [21:02] might you be able to help me with something? I imagine it's pretty simple, I'm just new at this. [21:02] just ask it already === neozen_ is now known as neozen [21:02] yeah okay, you don't have to be like that. for some reason my whole file system seems to be read-only. when I open it I can't create or rename anything and when I open properties it says read-only and I am unable to uncheck that. [21:03] I can only create things on the desktop. [21:04] hmmm... can you create things in your users home directory? [21:04] xanxor: (parent directory of Desktop) [21:04] hmm let me see. [21:04] you'll need to use the command line to verify permissions. open a terminal and type ls -lrt in the window that opens then place that in pastebin and send the link [21:05] oh, yes I can. [21:05] xanxor: hmmm ...sounds ok to me... [21:06] xanxor: when you said you were new to the os, did you mean new to linux in general... or just to xfce/xubuntu [21:06] no yeah linux in general. I tried to use ubuntu a few years ago when it was much less user-friendly and it stumped me completely, and now I'm trying it for real. [21:06] xanxor: ok... that explains it [21:06] but yeah it seems to be working, I guess I just have to go via the home folder, not straight into 'file system'. [21:07] xanxor: standard root file system isn't owned by your user [21:07] okay. [21:07] xanxor: only your home directory [21:07] is there a way to modify that? it seems weird that you can't. [21:07] it feels a bit windows XP to me. : P [21:07] xanxor: NO [21:07] I mean there's nothing I want to change, I'm sure it'd destroy things, I'm just curious. [21:07] xanxor: this is part of unix's security model [21:07] fair enough. === K3R is now known as rerobins [21:08] oh I had another question. I installed a program using the add/remove program and it doesn't seem to be in my application list. add/remove assures me it's installed, but where do I find it? [21:08] xanxor: the idea being that if some process you run gets out of hand and starts blowing things away.... only your users files are vulnerable to it [21:08] I realise these are crazy newbieish questions but I can't find this information in the documentation on the web site, maybe that just means I'm bad at research. [21:09] xanxor: perhaps ;) I'll send you a linke [21:09] *link [21:10] xanxor: what was the application? [21:12] it's the ekiga softphone. [21:12] but it's something I don't understand in general, like if you install something from a tar file as well. [21:12] I think it shows up under the internet section [21:12] (which I did find the instructions for and am attempting now : P) [21:12] it didn't though, and add/remove says it was installed. [21:13] xanxor: installing from a tarball..... as in a source tarball? [21:13] xanxor: try opening a terminal and running ekiga from there [21:13] I... don't know? haha. it's a .tar.bz2? but the instructions say this is how to compile and install it if necessary. [21:13] okay [21:13] xanxor: yeah that's a source tarball [21:14] xanxor: generally there are packages pre-built for most common apps... thinks to keep in mind are when you want to install an application system wide you'll need to sudo things that modify system locations [21:15] okay, I have no idea what that means. I gotta work through this one step at a time. this isn't a common app, I need something to convert .psw files to .doc. [21:15] as I have a PDA and no way to sync it, which I don't care about, but I have class notes on the CF card which need to be converted. [21:15] xanxor: ok... as you said... one step @ a time [21:15] yep. [21:16] but I do need to work out how to do this tonight, as I have work due tomorrow based on these notes haha. [21:16] but yeah not your problem! : ) [21:16] xanxor: oh... goody [21:16] hehe [21:16] : P thanks for your help [21:16] xanxor: try looking at the .psw files in vim [21:16] now it's just me vs the terminal [21:17] vim? [21:17] what's vim? [21:17] sorry [21:17] a text editor [21:17] dcolish: easy mon, he's just getting started [21:17] dcolish: don't go throwing vim @ him right away ;) [21:17] okay. do I have to download and install that separately? I mean, is that hard? haha [21:17] xanxor: goto your menu and look for mousepad [21:17] uh... [21:17] oh yeah opened that [21:18] and you think that'll open psws? [21:18] trying now [21:18] xanxor: well... if you're lucky... psw files contain plain text [21:18] it just gave me a weird symbol [21:18] {\pwi [21:18] binary file eh? [21:18] looks like it [21:18] if you say so. : P [21:19] what are the implications of that? [21:19] xanxor: in terminal, switch to directory where you saved the tarball [21:19] that's cd right? [21:19] xanxor: means we'll probably need to compile some application to read it... [21:19] xanxor: not any cd I've ever heard of [21:19] well, the one I downloaded claims it can do that. [21:20] oh I thought cd was change directory? [21:20] xanxor: k [21:20] xanxor: yep [21:20] oh you were mocking me haha I get it [21:20] xanxor: so cd to that directory [21:20] xanxor: no.... [21:20] xanxor: you in the directory? [21:20] uh. super dumb question: how do you tell it to go to the home directory? [21:20] xanxor: cd [21:20] xanxor: with no args [21:21] xanxor: there should be a utility that you can use in this link. http://tuxmobil.org/pda_linux_palm.html [21:21] ook [21:21] er, ok [21:21] xanxor: also try looking in synaptic, its under menu-> system [21:21] well, this program says it does it so I guess I'll try it since I have it? [21:21] you will have a tough time doing this compile, but if you're ready to learn go for it [21:22] just saying you might find a precompiled binary in synaptic, always check their first [21:22] well, I found instructions that say [21:22] # tar xvzf package.tar.gz (or tar xvjf package.tar.bz2) # cd package # ./configure # make # make install [21:24] haha first line of that and I get an error. I'll check synaptic. : P [21:24] just thought I could feel proud of myself it it worked [21:24] haha [21:24] well its simple enough, but yeah synaptic is nice [21:25] well you say it's simple but I'm proud if I can do anything with the terminal. cuz that's pretty much never happened. [21:26] you'll get better with time. If you can't find anything I can step you through the build [21:26] well I really appreciate that. [21:26] ubuntu people are nice. I can stumble in here all "oh god halp" and you guys are being nice haha [21:28] np, good luck [21:28] okay so I looked through synaptic and couldn't find anything. the link you send is just for palm, mine is windows mobile 2003... [21:29] I did tar xvzf unoconv-0.3.tar.bz2 to the file and it gave me the error gzip: stdin: not in gzip format tar: Child returned status 1 tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors [21:29] yeah because a bz2 is not a gzip, you need to run tar xjf [21:29] oh okay [21:30] okay sweet no error, I'll do the next steps and see how that goes [21:31] okay I got to the step that says ./configure and it said bash: ./configure: No such file or directory [21:32] xanxor, what are you trying to install? [21:32] something called unoconv, it's supposed to convert between all sorts of files but particularly psw to doc which is what I need [21:34] but ./configure doesn't seem to make sense to my terminal. [21:35] !unoconv [21:35] Sorry, I don't know anything about unoconv [21:35] !info unoconv [21:35] unoconv (source: unoconv): converter between OpenOffice.org document formats. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.3-3 (intrepid), package size 14 kB, installed size 100 kB [21:35] is that what you need? [21:35] yep [21:36] it said the description on the site I downloaded it from that it converts from psw to doc, which is all I need (urgently). [21:36] so, why don't you install it from synaptic/apt? [21:36] oh. because I didn't find it there? I'll have another look I guess. [21:36] you don't have to D/L from any sites. [21:36] oh haha there it is [21:36] go figure [21:36] : P [21:38] okay, that brings me to my other question: when I've installed an application, where do I find it and how do I run it if it doesn't appear in the Applications menu? [21:39] I'd run it from the terminal but I don't know where it is. [21:40] I mean I don't know where the application installed to. [21:42] hi [21:42] hi volo [21:42] xanxor: open a terminal and typ unoconv [21:44] unoconv: you have to provide a filename as argument Try `unoconv -h' for more information. [21:45] i'm tryin to get synaptic to stop upgrading a package i've custom installed, but i've forced a version and locked it, and it always wants to upgrade.. .what gives? [21:47] xanxor: follow the instructions that are output by the application [21:47] you mean when you do unoconv -h? [21:48] bye [21:50] sorry, I gotta go for about 15 minutes. I'll be back pestering you guys soon I'm sure. [21:55] hello could someone help me out Does xubuntu run on a machine that has 128 ram? [21:56] Sister_Blue, it can be quite slow, but it will run. you want most probably use the alternative cd to install. [21:56] where can i find the alternative cd to download ? [21:57] http://xubuntu.org/get [21:57] you will get to select the cd to download after you've chosen your mirror [21:57] knome thank you i am checking that link out [21:58] Sister_Blue, the minimum "supported" ram is 192 though so you can experience some problems... [21:58] Sister_Blue, and the min recommended is as much as 256 [21:59] knome which version should I go with it has a 8.04.1 and 8.10 version out there ? [22:00] Sister_Blue, i suppose you could have a better experience with the 8.04.1 one [22:01] knome I think i read somewhere of a .... umm.... lightweight version of xubunu ? [22:01] Sister_Blue, if you want absolute lightweightness, use the ubuntu minimal cd [22:01] !minimal [22:01] The Minimal CD image is very small in size, and it downloads most packages from the Internet during installation, allowing you to select only those you want (the installer is like the one on the !Alternate CD). See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD [22:02] i believe it said something about 64 mb ram requirement for install ? [22:02] Sister_Blue, yes, alt. cd requires only 64 megs of ram to install, but running the system after installing needs more [22:02] knome how much to run the system after install without lags ? [22:03] Sister_Blue, uhh... 512? [22:04] knome will the minimum run on the 128 though ? [22:04] Sister_Blue, the minimal will need also 192, if you install the complete xubuntu desktop with it [22:04] Sister_Blue, but there you have alternatives, for example slim and lxde instead of gdm and xfce [22:05] Sister_Blue, the minimal cd installs only the core system (not even graphical environment, if you don't want) [22:05] Sister_Blue, then you can add stuff into it and of course, every package/thing has it's own requirements [22:05] knome oh is there a way to select that slim and lxde option on the installation cd [22:06] Sister_Blue, i doubt that, but after you have installed the minimal installation, you can install them with "sudo apt-get install slim lxde" [22:07] knome where would i enter that sudo .... (I am still learning -- newbie here) [22:08] Sister_Blue, in the terminal/cli (command line interface) [22:10] Sister_Blue, are you on that PC now or is it an another PC? [22:10] knome i have not installed the other system yet [22:10] it is not on this pc but i have ubuntu here on this one now [22:10] ok, so you can be online at the same time you are installind? [22:10] *g [22:10] yes [22:10] ok [22:11] then i suggest you that you should try the minimal [22:11] there is usually at least somebody who can help [22:11] and with the minimal installation, you can ask #ubuntu as well [22:12] so it's more likely you will get help soonish [22:12] knome thank you :) [22:12] np. glad you're enjoying *ubuntu [22:22] knome the minimal package url is ubuntu mini package is this the same package as for the xubuntu minimal package? [22:23] Sister_Blue, yes, as the minimal cd doesn't have any WM/DE installed by default. [22:23] ok just wondering what does wm/de mean ? [22:23] window manager/desktop environment, eg. gnome or xfce [22:24] xubuntu is basically ubuntu with xfce instead of gnome [22:24] what is the difference between gnom and xfce ? [22:25] hmm. there's no easy answer for that [22:25] do they look the same ? or work the same ? [22:26] nope, they look a bit different and also work a bit different [22:26] do they both use a gui ? [22:26] but in the end, they do the same work [22:26] they *are* gui environments :) [22:26] gnome/xfce is what controls your desktop [22:27] whew i thought it was going to be back to the basics of line text type or something like that [22:27] with the minimal cd, you can install CLI-only system ;) [22:27] Sister_Blue: cli is better than gui, always has been always will be! [22:30] knomedcolish i'd rather use a gui environment -- seems less confusing to me [22:30] oopsss knome and dcolish [22:31] Sister_Blue, dcolish is just trying to confuse you. ;) [22:31] oh and that is easily done since i am so "green" [22:32] i prefer shock and awe [22:33] knome again, thank you for all your, i have downloaded that mini.iso file and am going to burn it now... unless there is something that needs to be done to the file first? [22:33] Sister_Blue, nope. just burn it. [22:33]