[00:00] <TheSheep> I usually share files via a server
[00:00] <khan12234232> question, why is thunar copying instead of moving when i drag and drop (yes i know shift changes this)
[00:00] <TheSheep> khan12234232: because you drag between different partitions
[00:01] <TheSheep> or different disks
[00:01] <khan12234232> no, from home folder (same partition) and desktop, again same partition
[00:01] <TheSheep> shouldn't do that :/
[00:02] <aLeSD> maybe I have the solution
[00:02] <aLeSD> I can't mount the folder cause it's an extern device
[00:02] <khan12234232> ??
[00:02] <aLeSD> an usb - hd
[00:03] <TheSheep> I really don't know, I wonder if there is a #samba channel
[00:03] <aLeSD> sorry
[00:03] <aLeSD> I was thinking to be in samba client
[00:03] <aLeSD> lol
[00:04] <TheSheep> no, I'm just saying that here doesn't appear to be anyone knowledgable, so maybe there is someone on #samba or even ##windows
[00:04] <TheSheep> or #ubuntu
[00:14] <khan2352453> how do i browse network shares (and mount them) in xubuntu
[01:05] <self> http://tinyurl.com/249rjg
[05:07] <slimjimflim> anybody know how to fix the bug where you have to disable/enable the ubuntu addon for ff3 in order to connect to sites?
[05:07] <slimjimflim> should i just remove the addon?
[06:45] <owen1> how to set xterm to it's defaults, using .Xdefaults file?
[08:43] <owen1> i try to use monaco fonts as my xterm default by setting .Xdefaults.  I read about the command xfontsel that open dialog with all the options of fonts and help in creating the line in .Xdefaults. from some reason i don't see monaco there eventhough i installed Monaco_Linux on my machine.  any idea?
[09:21] <deus__> Ok
[09:21] <deus__> how do i configure synaptics now?
[09:21] <deus__> im not talking to the frontend of apt
[09:21] <deus__> but the controlling of tbe touchpad to laptops
[11:07] <deus__> my update of the packages is stuck on
[11:07] <deus__> 40% [Connecting to no.archive.ubuntu.com (2001:700:300:1800::b)]
[11:07] <deus__> but i can ping it with no problem
[11:08] <deus__> anybody know anything about that?
[12:05] <thekanclub> hi
[12:14] <bad-wire> hi there, sound trouble on xubuntu 8.04 with a santa cruz soundcard (Sound Fusion CS46xx):  1- it plays , then keeps on playing but sounds stop  2- I can hear sound from line in, but trying to recordwith audacity does not show any volume .  anyone got a clue?
[12:55] <sinbox> if anyone has an   answer  for bad-wire give it to me please :)
[12:56]  * bad-wire is out of here
[14:51] <sinbox> on the same question from bad-wire: after installing ubuntu-desktop: playback works fine on there.
[15:05] <ubd> how do i add a program to startup
[15:28] <juanantonio> Hello, my friends. I am trying Xubuntu Live CD, it's really simple but very accurate and very logical
[15:38] <djohngo_> I'm having some sound troubles.
[15:38] <djohngo_> root has sound, but users don't unless I change the permissions to /dev/snd to 777.
[15:39] <djohngo_> All my users are members of "audio'.
[15:39] <djohngo_> I'm not sure how to start troubleshooting this.
[15:40] <djohngo_> Any suggestions would be appreciated.
[15:42] <sinbox> not the easiest version for sound xubuntu unfortunately, been having problems since this morning and no answer so far, but patience should pay
[15:46] <juanantonio> One thing, how can I make to connect to my WiFi net?
[15:46] <juanantonio> Or maybe if I am using the CD Live version the feature is not working?
[15:46] <neozen> juanantonio: depends on the wireless card you're using
[15:47] <juanantonio> Conceptronic
[15:48] <juanantonio> very usable, even in Windows Xp and Suse
[15:48] <neozen> ubd: in the settings manager Menu -> Settings -> Settings Manager look for "Autostarted Applications"
[15:48] <neozen> juanantonio: you familiar w/ network-manager-gnome?
[15:49] <neozen> juanantonio: lives in your system tray, lets you handle network connections
[15:49] <juanantonio> I do not know, in this PC I have Kubuntu
[15:50] <neozen> juanantonio: ahh... perhaps the #kubuntu channel then
[15:50] <juanantonio> Yes, it is up in my Xfce Desktop, 0.7.0 version
[15:50] <juanantonio> Neozen, the PC I have problems in is ruuning Xubuntu 8.10
[15:50] <neozen> juanantonio: am confused... do you have a connection on the computer with xfce, or not?
[15:51] <juanantonio> I have no connection
[15:51] <neozen> juanantonio: ok...
[15:51] <neozen> juanantonio: you should see a networking icon in the system tray
[15:51] <neozen> juanantonio: I believe xubuntu puts it in the top right by default
[15:52] <juanantonio> Yes, I can see two PCs with a red X close to the espeaker icon
[15:52] <juanantonio> Yes, it is in the top
[15:52] <neozen> juanantonio: wonderful, if you click it do you see wireless networks?
[15:54] <juanantonio> Yes, I can see my net. I was clicking right button, I just clicked left one
[15:54] <juanantonio> What must I do? Justo to click and everything will be working?
[15:54] <neozen> juanantonio: still can't get a connection?
[15:55] <neozen> juanantonio: or was just a left-click vs right-click confusion?
[15:55] <juanantonio> One second, I am typing my password
[15:56] <neozen> juanantonio: k
[15:56] <juanantonio> Everything is allright, Neozen. Thank you, I am so new, hehehe
[15:57] <neozen> juanantonio: fyi ... you'd do the same thing to connect to a wireless network in regular ubuntu (GNOME)
[15:57] <neozen> juanantonio: hehee... np
[15:58] <juanantonio> Ok, my friend, I am getting used to Kubuntu just because in my beginning in Linux I installed SuSE 10.1
[15:59]  * neozen nods
[15:59] <juanantonio> and now I want to know everything about Xubuntu to see if I can resurrect some PIII I have in my old house to download
[15:59] <neozen> juanantonio: I started w/ xu a few years ago when I was new to linux w/ a working gui
[16:00] <neozen> juanantonio: (messed w/ Redhat WAYYYYYYY back in the day (2000) for about 3 weeks trying to get X to work)
[16:00] <juanantonio> Hehehe. And what is your opinion about X 8.10?
[16:00] <neozen> juanantonio: I've found it to be quite speedy
[16:01] <sinbox> just onstalled Xubuntu on a P3, works fine appart from that sound problem
[16:01] <neozen> juanantonio: I like the modifications they've made to network manager
[16:01] <juanantonio> I see it with less applications than Kubuntu, but all I need
[16:01] <neozen> juanantonio: *pulled in from upstream on network manager
[16:02] <neozen> juanantonio: nice to have more then one simultaneous connection (ie... both wireless and wired) supported and visible in the gui
[16:02] <juanantonio> Ok, I didn't know it before. But do you think it is a very competent distro?
[16:03] <neozen> juanantonio: I believe so.
[16:03] <juanantonio> Yes, I understand what you mean; I saw it when I was connecting
[16:03] <neozen> juanantonio: I don't agree with some of their choices for default video applications, etc
[16:04] <juanantonio> For example?
[16:04] <neozen> juanantonio: but they're understandable given licensing concerns
[16:04] <neozen> juanantonio: I'm an mplayer user
[16:04] <neozen> juanantonio: tends to work w/o prompting me to pull down alot of codecs
[16:05] <juanantonio> Yes, I downloaded it in this PC
[16:05] <neozen> juanantonio: vlc is a second choice
[16:05] <juanantonio> but I am getting used to Kaffeine
[16:05] <juanantonio> In Xubuntu appears...let me see
[16:05] <neozen> juanantonio: in my experience, if one won't play an encrypted dvd, the other will
[16:06] <juanantonio> "Reproductor de películas", hehehe
[16:06] <neozen> juanantonio: never used Kaffeine... or KDE actually
[16:06] <juanantonio> I am in a Spanish PC and everything is default, hehehe
[16:06] <juanantonio> Xubuntu comes with Totem
[16:06] <neozen> juanantonio: hehehe
[16:07] <juanantonio> and uses some of the GStreamer
[16:07] <neozen> juanantonio: yep
[16:07] <juanantonio> no idea of what this program will make, hehehe
[16:07] <neozen> juanantonio: never really liked totem... am more a fan of minimal interfaces and keyboard shortcuts
[16:07] <juanantonio> but I am not using DVD in the Xubuntu PC
[16:07] <neozen> juanantonio: thus mplayer-nogui ;)
[16:08] <juanantonio> Ok. But MPlayer is in the Ubuntu repos, ins't it?
[16:09] <neozen> juanantonio: yep
[16:10] <juanantonio> I am checking them, my God, there are programs even for treating your bad knee ;)
[16:11] <juanantonio> One question, Xubuntu says acts in some way when you connect a PDA to it. Can I synchronize it?
[16:13] <juanantonio> No fear, going to connect it, hehehe
[16:13] <neozen> juanantonio: don't know... depends on the pda and how it interfaces to linux in general
[16:14] <juanantonio> Yes. It is an HTC 3300
[16:14] <neozen> juanantonio: I use an ancient palm IIIc (go ahead, laugh ;) ) and link it periodically with the pilot-link suite
[16:14] <neozen> juanantonio: but that's me
[16:14] <neozen> juanantonio: and yeah, the repositories have a TON of programs
[16:14] <neozen> juanantonio: for everything
[16:15] <neozen> juanantonio: including KDE if you want it....
[16:15] <neozen> juanantonio: any desktop can be installed from any other
[16:15] <juanantonio> Hehehe. One program for linking it? Because with Kubuntu I am not very sure about what
[16:15] <neozen> juanantonio: all packages that end in -desktop so xubuntu-desktop kubuntu-desktop etc
[16:16] <neozen> juanantonio: don't know of the HTC
[16:16] <juanantonio> Yes, I am re-new in Linux but I did know it ;)
[16:17] <neozen> juanantonio: weren't sure of which app?
[16:18] <juanantonio> Yes, I am not sure about the app needed
[16:18] <neozen> juanantonio: ah... worst case try googling your pda model and 'linux'
[16:19] <juanantonio> Good idea, thank you
[16:21] <juanantonio> I was adviced to install Xubuntu with LXDE desktop, what do you think about it?
[16:23] <dcolish> juanantonio: I remember you asking about lxde before. I honestly think you should stick with xfce for now.
[16:24] <juanantonio> Yes, dcolish, I asked because I wanted to know the biggest amout of opinions
[16:30] <juanantonio> One question, how can I stablish a net between 2 or 3 linux PCs?
[16:35] <neozen> juanantonio: sry bout that... cellular link went boom (dratted windows mobile phone :P)
[16:36] <juanantonio> Ok, ma, I know this error and all Vista errors...that is why I am getting started with Linux
[16:37] <neozen> ma?
[16:37] <juanantonio> man ;)
[16:37] <neozen> ah
[16:39] <juanantonio> I am very impressed with general configuration of Xubuntu, and I am using CD Live version
[16:39] <meggark> yeh its great i run it on most of my systems
[16:40] <meggark> great on the netbook and on the desktop
[16:40]  * neozen ndos
[16:40] <neozen> *nods
[16:40] <neozen> use it on my thinkpad from work
[16:40] <juanantonio> For sure. It must be around 30% faster than Kubuntu with all the services it runs, don't you think so?
[16:40] <neozen> haven't needed to install anything else yet (though work keeps pushing for office 2007)...
[16:40] <neozen> that..... won't be fun
[16:41] <meggark> office 07 is a bitch
[16:42] <meggark> i write a lot of technical reports for uni, with some mental equations, every one else uses mathtype so i have to use it now and again for group reports
[16:42] <neozen> meggark: "its like little gnomes tore apart my office suite and moved things where I'd never think to put them" --one of our devs
[16:42] <juanantonio> I am going to install 2003 if needed only because I have the key and to sync with my PPC Phone
[16:42] <meggark> lol
[16:42] <neozen> as I see it, best way to install office or corel wp is in a windows virtual machine
[16:43] <meggark> yeh took me ages to get used to the UI, its actually quite nice to use when u get used to it but its such a resource hog
[16:43] <meggark> prefer openoffice anyday
[16:43] <juanantonio> Neozen, you are right
[16:43] <juanantonio> Meggark, definitely it is mucho better and faster
[16:44] <juanantonio> One question,
[16:44] <dcolish> neozen: you ever try wine?
[16:44] <juanantonio> can I make one key open my applcations menu, just as the Start key does in Windows?
[16:44] <neozen> dcolish: yeah
[16:45] <neozen> dcolish: use for starcraft ;)
[16:45] <dcolish> ah, nice, hows the perfomance? I've never been blown away by it
[16:45] <neozen> dcolish: depends on what you're running in it
[16:45] <dcolish> lets say starcraft
[16:46] <neozen> dcolish: seemed snappy to me
[16:46] <neozen> dcolish: aside from the battle.net gui going all screwy of course
[16:47] <neozen> dcolish: main problem w/ wine is that app is not always supported
[16:48] <dcolish> neozen: thats good to hear, there was a while when wine was really bad
[16:48] <dcolish> The crossover guys have done a lot for the project
[16:48] <neozen> dcolish: don't think I ever encountered it in that time
[16:48] <neozen> dcolish: first time was ~ 2006-2007
[16:49] <dcolish> yeah its been good for the past few years
[16:49] <neozen> dcolish: used it to run IE for a while since work had a web-based app for timesheets that only worked in ie6
[16:49] <neozen> (yuk)
[16:50] <dcolish> neozen: I feel your pain, i still have to support ie6
[16:52] <meggark> thats the only thing that annoys me about using xubuntu, the inability to watch streaming media from five on demand and a few other broadcasters who use that damn windows media plugin
[16:53] <meggark> other than that i've found plenty alternative for everything else id do
[18:15] <brewmaster> how can I get xubuntu's default x terminal to display special characters properly?  like spanish and french characters with accents
[18:54] <TheSheep> brewmaster: it does so by default
[18:56] <brewmaster> TheSheep, hrm, not mine...
[18:56] <brewmaster> could it be a pine issue?
[18:57] <TheSheep> brewmaster: is it run on the same host?
[18:57] <brewmaster> Yeah
[18:57] <TheSheep> what does the line 'echo $LANG' say?
[18:57] <brewmaster> so yeah, i can see special character in vim, but not in pine
[18:58] <brewmaster> en_CA.UTF-8
[18:58] <TheSheep> brewmaster: try to configure pine to use utf-8 for output
[18:58] <TheSheep> although it should do so by default
[18:59] <TheSheep> but maybe it's not configured properly on ubuntu, it's not commonly used program after all on desktop distributions
[19:01] <brewmaster> TheSheep, yeah, it looks like I need a patch of some kind
[19:01] <TheSheep> try mutt :)
[19:03] <brewmaster> blashemy! that's like telling a vi user to user emacs :P
[19:03] <TheSheep> better than telling them to use MS Word
[19:04] <TheSheep> besides pine is more emacs-like and mutt more vi-like ;)
[19:04] <TheSheep> or rather pine is more nano/pico-like :P
[19:12] <dcolish> brewmaster: you might not mind sup then?
[19:15] <brewmaster> dcolish, yeah, it looks pretty nice
[19:15] <dcolish> yeah its all in ruby, uses the ncurses bidnings
[20:59] <xanxor> hi everyone
[20:59] <xanxor> I wonder if anybody could help me with a quick question I have about xubuntu? I'm new to the OS.
[21:00] <neozen> salutations xanxor
[21:00] <xanxor> hi neozen
[21:02] <xanxor> might you be able to help me with something? I imagine it's pretty simple, I'm just new at this.
[21:02] <dcolish> just ask it already
[21:02] <xanxor> yeah okay, you don't have to be like that. for some reason my whole file system seems to be read-only. when I open it I can't create or rename anything and when I open properties it says read-only and I am unable to uncheck that.
[21:03] <xanxor> I can only create things on the desktop.
[21:04] <neozen> hmmm... can you create things in your users home directory?
[21:04] <neozen> xanxor: (parent directory of Desktop)
[21:04] <xanxor> hmm let me see.
[21:04] <dcolish> you'll need to use the command line to verify permissions. open a terminal and type ls -lrt in the window that opens then place that in pastebin and send the link
[21:05] <xanxor> oh, yes I can.
[21:05] <neozen> xanxor: hmmm ...sounds ok to me...
[21:06] <neozen> xanxor: when you said you were new to the os, did you mean new to linux in general... or just to xfce/xubuntu
[21:06] <xanxor> no yeah linux in general. I tried to use ubuntu a few years ago when it was much less user-friendly and it stumped me completely, and now I'm trying it for real.
[21:06] <neozen> xanxor: ok... that explains it
[21:06] <xanxor> but yeah it seems to be working, I guess I just have to go via the home folder, not straight into 'file system'.
[21:07] <neozen> xanxor: standard root file system isn't owned by your user
[21:07] <xanxor> okay.
[21:07] <neozen> xanxor: only your home directory
[21:07] <xanxor> is there a way to modify that? it seems weird that you can't.
[21:07] <xanxor> it feels a bit windows XP to me. : P
[21:07] <neozen> xanxor: NO
[21:07] <xanxor> I mean there's nothing I want to change, I'm sure it'd destroy things, I'm just curious.
[21:07] <neozen> xanxor: this is part of unix's security model
[21:07] <xanxor> fair enough.
[21:08] <xanxor> oh I had another question. I installed a program using the add/remove program and it doesn't seem to be in my application list. add/remove assures me it's installed, but where do I find it?
[21:08] <neozen> xanxor: the idea being that if some process you run gets out of hand and starts blowing things away.... only your users files are vulnerable to it
[21:08] <xanxor> I realise these are crazy newbieish questions but I can't find this information in the documentation on the web site, maybe that just means I'm bad at research.
[21:09] <neozen> xanxor: perhaps ;) I'll send you a linke
[21:09] <neozen> *link
[21:10] <neozen> xanxor: what was the application?
[21:12] <xanxor> it's the ekiga softphone.
[21:12] <xanxor> but it's something I don't understand in general, like if you install something from a tar file as well.
[21:12] <neozen> I think it shows up under the internet section
[21:12] <xanxor> (which I did find the instructions for and am attempting now : P)
[21:12] <xanxor> it didn't though, and add/remove says it was installed.
[21:13] <neozen> xanxor: installing from a tarball..... as in a source tarball?
[21:13] <neozen> xanxor: try opening a terminal and running ekiga from there
[21:13] <xanxor> I... don't know? haha. it's a .tar.bz2? but the instructions say this is how to compile and install it if necessary.
[21:13] <xanxor> okay
[21:13] <neozen> xanxor: yeah that's a source tarball
[21:14] <neozen> xanxor: generally there are packages pre-built for most common apps... thinks to keep in mind are when you want to install an application system wide you'll need to sudo things that modify system locations
[21:15] <xanxor> okay, I have no idea what that means. I gotta work through this one step at a time. this isn't a common app, I need something to convert .psw files to .doc.
[21:15] <xanxor> as I have a PDA and no way to sync it, which I don't care about, but I have class notes on the CF card which need to be converted.
[21:15] <neozen> xanxor: ok... as you said... one step @ a time
[21:15] <xanxor> yep.
[21:16] <xanxor> but I do need to work out how to do this tonight, as I have work due tomorrow based on these notes haha.
[21:16] <xanxor> but yeah not your problem! : )
[21:16] <neozen> xanxor: oh... goody
[21:16] <neozen> hehe
[21:16] <xanxor> : P thanks for your help
[21:16] <dcolish> xanxor: try looking at the .psw files in vim
[21:16] <xanxor> now it's just me vs the terminal
[21:17] <xanxor> vim?
[21:17] <xanxor> what's vim?
[21:17] <xanxor> sorry
[21:17] <dcolish> a text editor
[21:17] <neozen> dcolish: easy mon, he's just getting started
[21:17] <neozen> dcolish: don't go throwing vim @ him right away ;)
[21:17] <xanxor> okay. do I have to download and install that separately? I mean, is that hard? haha
[21:17] <dcolish> xanxor: goto your menu and look for mousepad
[21:17] <xanxor> uh...
[21:17] <xanxor> oh yeah opened that
[21:18] <xanxor> and you think that'll open psws?
[21:18] <xanxor> trying now
[21:18] <neozen> xanxor: well... if you're lucky... psw files contain plain text
[21:18] <xanxor> it just gave me a weird symbol
[21:18] <xanxor> {\pwi
[21:18] <neozen> binary file eh?
[21:18] <dcolish> looks like it
[21:18] <xanxor> if you say so. : P
[21:19] <xanxor> what are the implications of that?
[21:19] <neozen> xanxor: in terminal, switch to directory where you saved the tarball
[21:19] <xanxor> that's cd right?
[21:19] <neozen> xanxor: means we'll probably need to compile some application to read it...
[21:19] <neozen> xanxor: not any cd I've ever heard of
[21:19] <xanxor> well, the one I downloaded claims it can do that.
[21:20] <xanxor> oh I thought cd was change directory?
[21:20] <neozen> xanxor: k
[21:20] <neozen> xanxor: yep
[21:20] <xanxor> oh you were mocking me haha I get it
[21:20] <neozen> xanxor: so cd to that directory
[21:20] <neozen> xanxor: no....
[21:20] <neozen> xanxor: you in the directory?
[21:20] <xanxor> uh. super dumb question: how do you tell it to go to the home directory?
[21:20] <neozen> xanxor: cd
[21:20] <neozen> xanxor: with no args
[21:21] <dcolish> xanxor: there should be a utility that you can use in this link. http://tuxmobil.org/pda_linux_palm.html
[21:21] <xanxor> ook
[21:21] <xanxor> er, ok
[21:21] <dcolish> xanxor: also try looking in synaptic, its under menu-> system
[21:21] <xanxor> well, this program says it does it so I guess I'll try it since I have it?
[21:21] <dcolish> you will have a tough time doing this compile, but if you're ready to learn go for it
[21:22] <dcolish> just saying you might find a precompiled binary in synaptic, always check their first
[21:22] <xanxor> well, I found instructions that say
[21:22] <xanxor> # tar xvzf package.tar.gz (or tar xvjf package.tar.bz2) # cd package # ./configure # make # make install
[21:24] <xanxor> haha first line of that and I get an error. I'll check synaptic. : P
[21:24] <xanxor> just thought I could feel proud of myself it it worked
[21:24] <xanxor> haha
[21:24] <dcolish> well its simple enough, but yeah synaptic is nice
[21:25] <xanxor> well you say it's simple but I'm proud if I can do anything with the terminal. cuz that's pretty much never happened.
[21:26] <dcolish> you'll get better with time. If you can't find anything I can step you through the build
[21:26] <xanxor> well I really appreciate that.
[21:26] <xanxor> ubuntu people are nice. I can stumble in here all "oh god halp" and you guys are being nice haha
[21:28] <dcolish> np, good luck
[21:28] <xanxor> okay so I looked through synaptic and couldn't find anything. the link you send is just for palm, mine is windows mobile 2003...
[21:29] <xanxor> I did tar xvzf unoconv-0.3.tar.bz2 to the file and it gave me the error gzip: stdin: not in gzip format tar: Child returned status 1 tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors
[21:29] <dcolish> yeah because a bz2 is not a gzip, you need to run tar xjf
[21:29] <xanxor> oh okay
[21:30] <xanxor> okay sweet no error, I'll do the next steps and see how that goes
[21:31] <xanxor> okay I got to the step that says ./configure and it said bash: ./configure: No such file or directory
[21:32] <knome> xanxor, what are you trying to install?
[21:32] <xanxor> something called unoconv, it's supposed to convert between all sorts of files but particularly psw to doc which is what I need
[21:34] <xanxor> but ./configure doesn't seem to make sense to my terminal.
[21:35] <knome> !unoconv
[21:35] <knome> !info unoconv
[21:35] <knome> is that what you need?
[21:35] <xanxor> yep
[21:36] <xanxor> it said the description on the site I downloaded it from that it converts from psw to doc, which is all I need (urgently).
[21:36] <knome> so, why don't you install it from synaptic/apt?
[21:36] <xanxor> oh. because I didn't find it there? I'll have another look I guess.
[21:36] <knome> you don't have to D/L from any sites.
[21:36] <xanxor> oh haha there it is
[21:36] <xanxor> go figure
[21:36] <xanxor> : P
[21:38] <xanxor> okay, that brings me to my other question: when I've installed an application, where do I find it and how do I run it if it doesn't appear in the Applications menu?
[21:39] <xanxor> I'd run it from the terminal but I don't know where it is.
[21:40] <xanxor> I mean I don't know where the application installed to.
[21:42] <volo> hi
[21:42] <xanxor> hi volo
[21:42] <dcolish> xanxor: open a terminal and typ unoconv
[21:44] <xanxor> unoconv: you have to provide a filename as argument Try `unoconv -h' for more information.
[21:45] <KlrSpz> i'm tryin to get synaptic to stop upgrading a package i've custom installed, but i've ﻿forced a version and locked it, and it always wants to upgrade.. .what gives?
[21:47] <dcolish> xanxor: follow the instructions that are output by the application
[21:47] <xanxor> you mean when you do unoconv -h?
[21:48] <volo> bye
[21:50] <xanxor> sorry, I gotta go for about 15 minutes. I'll be back pestering you guys soon I'm sure.
[21:55] <Sister_Blue> hello  could someone help me out  Does xubuntu run on a machine that has 128 ram?
[21:56] <knome> Sister_Blue, it can be quite slow, but it will run. you want most probably use the alternative cd to install.
[21:56] <Sister_Blue> where can i find the alternative cd to download ?
[21:57] <knome> http://xubuntu.org/get
[21:57] <knome> you will get to select the cd to download after you've chosen your mirror
[21:57] <Sister_Blue> knome thank you i am checking that link out
[21:58] <knome> Sister_Blue, the minimum "supported" ram is 192 though so you can experience some problems...
[21:58] <knome> Sister_Blue, and the min recommended is as much as 256
[21:59] <Sister_Blue> knome which version should I go with it has a 8.04.1 and 8.10 version out there ?
[22:00] <knome> Sister_Blue, i suppose you could have a better experience with the 8.04.1 one
[22:01] <Sister_Blue> knome  I think i read somewhere of a  ....  umm....   lightweight version of xubunu ?
[22:01] <knome> Sister_Blue, if you want absolute lightweightness, use the ubuntu minimal cd
[22:01] <knome> !minimal
[22:02] <Sister_Blue> i believe it said something about  64 mb ram  requirement for install ?
[22:02] <knome> Sister_Blue, yes, alt. cd requires only 64 megs of ram to install, but running the system after installing needs more
[22:02] <Sister_Blue> knome  how much to run the system after install without lags ?
[22:03] <knome> Sister_Blue, uhh... 512?
[22:04] <Sister_Blue> knome  will the minimum run on the 128 though ?
[22:04] <knome> Sister_Blue, the minimal will need also 192, if you install the complete xubuntu desktop with it
[22:04] <knome> Sister_Blue, but there you have alternatives, for example slim and lxde instead of gdm and xfce
[22:05] <knome> Sister_Blue, the minimal cd installs only the core system (not even graphical environment, if you don't want)
[22:05] <knome> Sister_Blue, then you can add stuff into it and of course, every package/thing has it's own requirements
[22:05] <Sister_Blue> knome  oh  is there a way to select that slim and lxde option on the installation cd
[22:06] <knome> Sister_Blue, i doubt that, but after you have installed the minimal installation, you can install them with "sudo apt-get install slim lxde"
[22:07] <Sister_Blue> knome where would i enter that sudo ....    (I am still learning -- newbie here)
[22:08] <knome> Sister_Blue, in the terminal/cli (command line interface)
[22:10] <knome> Sister_Blue, are you on that PC now or is it an another PC?
[22:10] <Sister_Blue> knome  i have not installed the other system yet
[22:10] <Sister_Blue> it is not on this pc but i have ubuntu here on this one now
[22:10] <knome> ok, so you can be online at the same time you are installind?
[22:10] <knome> *g
[22:10] <Sister_Blue> yes
[22:10] <knome> ok
[22:11] <knome> then i suggest you that you should try the minimal
[22:11] <knome> there is usually at least somebody who can help
[22:11] <knome> and with the minimal installation, you can ask #ubuntu as well
[22:12] <knome> so it's more likely you will get help soonish
[22:12] <Sister_Blue> knome thank you :)
[22:12] <knome> np. glad you're enjoying *ubuntu
[22:22] <Sister_Blue> knome the minimal package url is ubuntu mini package is this the same package as for the xubuntu minimal package?
[22:23] <knome> Sister_Blue, yes, as the minimal cd doesn't have any WM/DE installed by default.
[22:23] <Sister_Blue> ok   just wondering what does wm/de mean ?
[22:23] <knome> window manager/desktop environment, eg. gnome or xfce
[22:24] <knome> xubuntu is basically ubuntu with xfce instead of gnome
[22:24] <Sister_Blue> what is the difference between gnom and xfce ?
[22:25] <knome> hmm. there's no easy answer for that
[22:25] <Sister_Blue> do they look the same ? or work the same ?
[22:26] <knome> nope, they look a bit different and also work a bit different
[22:26] <Sister_Blue> do they both use a gui ?
[22:26] <knome> but in the end, they do the same work
[22:26] <knome> they *are* gui environments :)
[22:26] <knome> gnome/xfce is what controls your desktop
[22:27] <Sister_Blue> whew   i thought it was going to be back to the basics of line text type or something like that
[22:27] <knome> with the minimal cd, you can install CLI-only system ;)
[22:27] <dcolish> Sister_Blue: cli is better than gui, always has been always will be!
[22:30] <Sister_Blue> knomedcolish i'd rather use a gui environment -- seems less confusing to me
[22:30] <Sister_Blue> oopsss  knome and dcolish
[22:31] <knome> Sister_Blue, dcolish is just trying to confuse you. ;)
[22:31] <Sister_Blue> oh   and that is easily done since i am so "green"
[22:32] <dcolish> i prefer shock and awe
[22:33] <Sister_Blue> knome   again, thank you for all your,  i have downloaded that mini.iso file and am going to burn it now... unless there is something that needs to be done to the file first?
[22:33] <knome> Sister_Blue, nope. just burn it.
[22:33] <Sister_Blue> knome  :) thanks
[22:40] <knome> i will sleep now. see you tomorrow
[22:41] <Sister_Blue> knome goodnite and thanks again for your help  it is almost finished burning here :)
[22:41] <knome> great. good luck with the installation!
[22:41] <Sister_Blue> :)
[22:43]  * neozen pokes dcolish
[22:44] <neozen> dcolish: take it you helped out xanxor?
[22:44] <neozen> dcolish: had something blow up @ work ::sigh::
[22:45] <dcolish> neozen: he figured it out that synaptic is much easier, i knome helped too or TheSheep not sure
[22:51] <xanxor> hi guys, just as you've been dreading, I'm back
[22:51] <xanxor> if anyone is still here from before
[22:56] <xanxor> anybody want to help me with trying to use a program in the terminal? I'm trying to convert documents with unoconv and none of the commands seem to work.
[22:59] <dcolish> xanxor: did the unoconv have a man page? type man unoconv
[23:01] <xanxor> okay actually I figured out how to execute the command and it claims that it can't convert this file type, even though it specifically says it converts psw files.
[23:01] <xanxor> so basically I'm back to square one looking for a program that can.
[23:03] <dcolish> oh well duh, its only going to export openoffice files, not import them
[23:04] <xanxor> okay, well, it claims it can convert 'between' all the listed files.
[23:04] <xanxor> so I interpreted that to mean it can, you know, convert between them.
[23:04] <xanxor> I can't find anything that can do this.
[23:04] <Odd-rationale> xanxor: you are trying to convert what to what?
[23:05] <xanxor> psw to doc or pdf or anything readable by openoffice
[23:06] <neozen> hello again xanxor
[23:06] <Odd-rationale> what's psw?
[23:06] <xanxor> hi neozen
[23:06] <xanxor> the format used by pocket word
[23:06] <xanxor> I have a PDA which I can't sync on linux
[23:06] <xanxor> and even if I could it's currently not functioning terribly well
[23:06] <xanxor> so I have all these psw files on a CF card
[23:06] <xanxor> which I need urgently
[23:07] <neozen> xanxor: thought you'd found something to do it
[23:07] <dcolish> xanxor: according to some forms you can save them as .doc files on your pda
[23:07] <neozen> xanxor: you still have the source?
[23:07] <dcolish> neozen: he was trying to build unoconv
[23:07] <neozen> dcolish: ah
[23:08] <neozen> d'oh
[23:08] <xanxor> yeah, I found unoconv on synaptic and figured out how to use it and it doesn't work.;
[23:08] <xanxor> I could probably save them as doc on my PDA, if my PDA was working.
[23:08] <xanxor> it is currently in a state of Epic Fail
[23:08] <neozen> hmmmm... mother brain to the rescue (goes off to google)
[23:08] <Odd-rationale> that's what happens when you use a proprietary format... :P
[23:09] <xanxor> haha thanks. I've scoured google but as I mentioned before I'm not amazing at research apparently : P
[23:09] <xanxor> yes well, it's not my choice.
[23:09] <xanxor> linux is available for my device but not very well developed
[23:09] <xanxor> and considering the problems I'm having with it on my laptop with a very user-friendly distro, I'm not risking it : P
[23:09] <xanxor> well, not problems so much as learning curve, but still
[23:11] <neozen> xanxor: what does file think the files are?
[23:11] <xanxor> pardon?
[23:12] <neozen> xanxor: in a terminal, type file [nameoffilehere]
[23:12] <xanxor> oh okay
[23:12] <xanxor> 'data'
[23:12] <xanxor> well no kidding
[23:12] <neozen> xanxor: damn
[23:12] <xanxor> very informative
[23:12] <neozen> xanxor: data is what file says when you've fed it something it doesn't know
[23:13] <neozen> xanxor: knows quite a bit
[23:13] <xanxor> ugh
[23:13] <xanxor> I hate proprietary formats
[23:13] <xanxor> they exist to make life harder
[23:13] <neozen> xanxor: and their creators richer
[23:13] <neozen> xanxor: don't forget that
[23:13] <xanxor> that too.
[23:14] <xanxor> sigh.
[23:14] <xanxor> this isn't gonna happen, is it?
[23:14] <dcolish> xanxor: stop it, try this site http://media-convert.com/
[23:14] <xanxor> at least not until my PDA is up and running again.
[23:14] <xanxor> okay
[23:14] <n1ura> is anybody able to help me get a wireless usb card configured. i am completely new to xubuntu.
[23:15] <neozen> xanxor: does seem to have an input option for psw
[23:15] <xanxor> holy crap dear dcolish you are my new best friend love xanxor
[23:15] <neozen> xanxor: you may just be in luck..... got any classified stuff in there?
[23:16] <neozen> eheh
[23:16] <neozen> n1ura: might
[23:16] <xanxor> it's my physics notes
[23:16] <neozen> n1ura: what kind of card
[23:16] <xanxor> they can do with it what they will
[23:16] <neozen> xanxor: lol
[23:16] <n1ura> it is a Belkin Wireless G Plus MIMO USB Network adapter
[23:16] <xanxor> seriously dcolish thank you so much
[23:16] <dcolish> xanxor: always remember, dr google :)
[23:16] <neozen> n1ura: have you hit the ubuntuforums?
[23:17] <xanxor> haha I tried so hard honestly
[23:17] <Odd-rationale> xanxor: next time. take notes a hard piece of paper :D
[23:17] <n1ura> be warned, I am new to linux, thought I would give it a try.
[23:17] <neozen> n1ura: np
[23:17] <n1ura> no, this is the first place I have turned to.
[23:17] <xanxor> turns out I'm really bad at finding anything on google ever
[23:17] <xanxor> but I knew that already
[23:17] <Odd-rationale> n1ura: do you happen to have the windows drivers disc?
[23:17] <xanxor> Odd-rationale I may start obsessively printing, at least
[23:17] <neozen> n1ura: ok.... is usually a good practice to search the ubuntuforums with the make/model of hardware you're trying to get working... generally someone's already messed w/ it
[23:18] <xanxor> oh
[23:18] <xanxor> haha
[23:18] <xanxor> it converted
[23:18] <xanxor> to ################
[23:18] <xanxor> etc
[23:18] <Odd-rationale> xanxor: does it open?
[23:18] <xanxor> yeah, as gibberish symbols
[23:19] <Odd-rationale> xanxor: what did you convert it to?
[23:19] <n1ura> the belkin driver disk should be around here somewhere, but it is only for windows 2000
[23:19] <xanxor> .doc
[23:19] <xanxor> I'll try some other formats I guess
[23:19] <Odd-rationale> n1ura: is that the disc you used when you were using windows?
[23:19] <neozen> xanxor: RTF!
[23:19] <xanxor> okay!
[23:19] <neozen> xanxor: lol
[23:19] <n1ura> no, because i have windows xp not 2000
[23:20] <n1ura> i had to download the correct driver
[23:20] <xanxor> neozen it's still rubbish
[23:20] <Odd-rationale> n1ura: oh ok... you know where you downloaded the drivers from?
[23:21] <xanxor> I think it'd probably be more useful to keep trying to google the formula I need
[23:21] <xanxor> all I need from my notes is one formula
[23:21] <n1ura> i can find the site again.
[23:21] <xanxor> I was just not finding it because I am apparently the worst at google
[23:22] <n1ura> i plugged in the usb adapter to see what would happen and the green light keeps flashing as if it was trying to make a connection, but that is all it does.
[23:22] <neozen> Odd-rationale: wait... don't tell me.... broadcom based card?
[23:23] <Odd-rationale> neozen: is it broadcom based? i was planning on ndiswrapper...
[23:23] <neozen> Odd-rationale: lol... ndis isn't needed for everything
[23:23] <neozen> n1ura: open a terminal
[23:23] <neozen> n1ura: type lspci
[23:23] <Odd-rationale> n1ura: can you pastebin the ouput of lsusb
[23:24] <n1ura> let me go grab the computer, i'll be back
[23:24] <Odd-rationale> neozen: well. if it is BC, then b43 might work... otherwise ndis usually does the job...
[23:24] <neozen> bah... am always stuck in verbose mode
[23:25] <neozen> Odd-rationale: perhaps ndis works better now then it used to
[23:25] <neozen> Odd-rationale: used to have nothing but problems w/ one of my cards under ndis
[23:25] <Odd-rationale> neozen: ndis was the way i got some of my cards to work... i guess it depends on your expereince... :P
[23:26] <Odd-rationale> my experience with ndis was pretty good.. :D
[23:26] <xanxor> okay, thanks guys, I'm gonna go try to find this formula.
[23:26] <xanxor> thanks for all your help (and patience)
[23:26] <dcolish> xanxor: good luck
[23:39] <n1ura> ok, i typed lspci
[23:40] <neozen> n1ura: ok.... did you stick the output in pastebin?
[23:40] <n1ura> is there a certain line you need or do you want all of what it says??
[23:40] <neozen> !pastebin
[23:40] <n1ura> how do i stick the output in pastebin??
[23:40] <neozen> n1ura: all of it... we'll find what we're looking for
[23:40] <neozen> n1ura: select text with mouse... right click... say copy
[23:41] <neozen> n1ura: then in webpage say paste...
[23:41] <Odd-rationale> n1ura: are you on that computer right now? or on another?
[23:41] <neozen> heh...
[23:41] <neozen> good point
[23:41] <n1ura> i am on another computer.
[23:41] <n1ura> so i guess i'll have to type it all
[23:41] <neozen> n1ura: nah
[23:41] <Odd-rationale> n1ura: is there a way you can wire that machin up?
[23:42] <neozen> n1ura: lspci |egrep "Network|Ethernet"
[23:42] <neozen> n1ura: run that
[23:42] <neozen> n1ura: that should catch them
[23:43] <n1ura> i wish there was a way to wire it up, that is kind of what i am trying to do in the first place. let me try that command.
[23:43] <neozen> n1ura: oh wait.... damn... its usb
[23:43] <neozen> n1ura: that won't work ::sigh::
[23:43] <Odd-rationale> lsusb
[23:43] <n1ura> yes usb
[23:44] <Odd-rationale> n1ura: does the device show up in lsusb ?
[23:44] <neozen> n1ura: you have anything in the list that looks like a network card?
[23:45] <neozen> sorry... I'll let Odd-rationale take over
[23:45] <n1ura> there are 8 lines, host bridge, isa brige, ide interface, usb controller, bridge, vga compatible controller, cardbus bridge (listed twice)
[23:46] <Odd-rationale> n1ura: what about the ouput of lsusb?
[23:46] <n1ura>  i have not typed the egrep command yet, didn't know if you said that wouldn't work or not
[23:47] <Odd-rationale> n1ura: probably not.
[23:47] <neozen> n1ura: nah ... that won't work... just filters down the lspci list
[23:47] <neozen> n1ura: forgot your card is usb... so it won't show up in output of that command
[23:47] <n1ura> ok
[23:47] <neozen> !lspci
[23:48] <Odd-rationale> n1ura: have you done lsusb yet?
[23:48] <neozen> ...they really should add something
[23:48] <n1ura> no, just type lsusb??
[23:48] <neozen> n1ura: yep
[23:48] <Odd-rationale> n1ura: yeah. in a terminal
[23:48] <Odd-rationale> gtg bbl
[23:48] <neozen> k... I'll keep going then
[23:48] <n1ura> bus 001 device 002: id 050d:905b Belkin Components F5D9050 ver 3 Wireless Adapter
[23:49] <neozen> n1ura: aww goodie
[23:49] <neozen> thanks for typing all that
[23:49] <n1ura> Bus 001 devide 001: ID ld6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
[23:49] <neozen> n1ura: I'll look in the forums
[23:50] <n1ura> ok, i'll let you look at that while I go feed the backyard critters. I shall return.
[23:50] <neozen> n1ura: usually w/ new hardware I just take whatever lspci or lsusb tells me and search for it on the forums
[23:53] <neozen> n1ura: have you tried clicking network manager icon?
[23:53] <neozen> n1ura: *left-clicking
[23:54] <neozen> n1ura: (small icon in system tray with two computers... and probably a red x)
[23:56] <n1ura> ok i am back
[23:57] <n1ura> i will try left clicking
[23:57] <n1ura> hey, that seems to be doing something constructive!
[23:58] <n1ura> i am now connected.
[23:58] <neozen> n1ura: ok... good
[23:58] <neozen> n1ura: lol
[23:58] <neozen> n1ura: your card may indeed be supported
[23:58] <neozen> n1ura: lol
[23:58] <neozen> n1ura: your card was supported all along
[23:58] <n1ura> how about that! thank you very much!
[23:58] <neozen> n1ura: next time.... check the docs for how to connect to a network
[23:58] <neozen> n1ura: before hitting irc
[23:59] <neozen> n1ura: we're used to the REALLY tough ones ... like cards that don't work out of the box
[23:59] <neozen> n1ura: ehehe
[23:59] <n1ura> i'll have to give my friend a hard time, he should have told me that. he is the one that recommended xubuntu
[23:59] <neozen> n1ura: well.... it won't just connect right off the bat
[23:59] <neozen> n1ura: windows won't either