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mneptok!info pspvc02:45
ubottuPackage pspvc does not exist in intrepid02:45
mneptokmunf.02:45
mneptoktritium: so how old is doomcat?04:29
tritiummneptok: I don't recall exactly.  Perhaps 11.04:58
mneptokthought so. :)04:58
mneptokZOMG I RAN A MEETING!!!11!1!11!!!!one!!!!04:58
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tritiumHe's dthomasdigital's son.05:00
tritiumHeh, now that was amusing...Floodbot2 telling ubottu not to flood.  ;)05:49
tritiumGood night!05:57
genii@whoami06:16
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geniiWhew06:18
geniiGood evening, morning or afternoon ...06:22
* genii looks around for Myrtti06:22
nickrudFlannel, I think pointing people at that ext3 undelete process will swear them off linux forever ;)06:56
Flannelnickrud: yeah... well, on the otherhand, some people are masochists.06:58
nickrudI'm not. Proof: I don't do gentoo I do ubuntu06:59
ikoniawhy the heck do you have to register to get firefox plugins now07:06
geniiThat sounds .... wrong ....07:07
ikoniayes, "to download this plugin you need to register and login"07:07
Flannelikonia: only experimental ones, I believe07:08
nickrudstrange, I just got delicious without logging in.07:08
ikoniaahh experimental ones only07:09
Flannelthe idea, I believe, is you ought to be prepared to submit bug reports, etc.07:09
ikoniaseems a reasonable, should be optional though, but not the end of the world07:10
FlannelIs anyone else lagging?  Just slightly?07:13
FlannelSeems that some stuff comes in bursts, etc.07:14
ikoniaFlannel: you've been suffering for a while now07:14
Flannelikonia: Its just today.  Earlier I wasn't sure if it was my connection to freenode, or my ocnnection to my home.  But, now I know its not the latter.07:15
Flannelbut yeah, no lag count on irssi, but it just feels it07:15
elkbuntumeh, i believe i will chuck a sickie tomorrow. scratchy throat and feeling like crap.08:05
elkbuntuthough, technically a 'sickie' is 'taking a sick day even though not actually sick'08:10
ubottuFloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)08:38
ubottuFloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)08:38
Myrtti*yawn*09:07
MyrttiMOIN!09:08
* elkbuntu huggles Myrtti09:09
Myrttiomg.09:20
Myrttihttp://pocketgaming.blogspot.com/2007/07/singer-izek-gameboy-controlled-sewing.html09:20
Myrtti:-o09:20
elkbuntu...09:25
Myrtti... http://twitter.com/migueldeicaza/status/101248107509:41
Myrttihe has lost his mind09:42
elkbuntugrr... whoever said that ff3 was less of a resource hog than ff2 -- was lying.09:44
ikonia@btlogin10:44
bazhangwrong channel ikonia 10:47
ikoniacut and paste didn't work !10:47
ikoniait pasted out of BT rather than the IP I had highlighed and added enter for fun10:48
bazhangI usually just drag then middle click10:48
ikonianot got X 10:49
ikoniaon a console10:49
bazhangoh10:49
bazhangnot sure then10:49
ikoniaI think it was just a glitch with cut and paste10:49
ikoniahappens every so often10:49
bazhangyup10:50
ikoniait doesn't take the highlight and pastes the last highlight10:50
ikoniaannoying none the less10:50
ikoniaas you don't know until you've pasted it10:50
bazhangI've done much much worse :)10:50
ikoniaas have I, still annoying though10:51
bazhangno wai10:52
MyrttiO NOES! my long thumb fingernail I've used as a stylus chipped! how can I live now?! oh wait. nvm.10:52
elkbuntuMyrtti, i swear mc44 ignores me...11:14
Myrttielkbuntu: and I swear that nikki93 is a trolling alterego of someone...11:31
elkbuntui think so too11:33
elkbuntu[citation needed] though :(11:34
bazhang@bansearch yogandra13:26
ubottuNo matches found for yogandra!n=yogandra@120.89.100.224 in any channel13:26
LjLjrib: is "pc", like, asking random questions every ten seconds and not quite even listening to the answers?13:29
PiciSounds like it.13:30
bazhangyep13:30
bazhangdigital vibrance?13:30
LjLbazhang: it's a useless feature of nvidia drivers13:31
bazhangLjL, aha13:31
LjLbazhang: basically increases saturation for most colors, afaics13:31
PiciIts silly13:31
bazhangLjL, I set that in my monitor (hw)13:31
LjLbazhang: hm? i set brightness and contrast, not saturation, on mine13:32
jribLjL: pc started off fine installing flash and security updates.  Don't about the recent questions13:32
bazhangmine has movie mode, picture mode, all kinds of newfangled modes 13:32
LjL<LjL> pc: oh, i thought Digital Vibrance was an Nvidia-specific term...13:33
LjLand i still think that13:33
LjLaccording to google13:33
Picibazhang: Mine too, its an NEC13:33
bazhangPici, nice13:33
Myrttiexcuse me while I abuse the bot and the channel13:42
Myrttibug 24369213:42
ubottuLaunchpad bug 243692 in source-highlight "web pages with ~ do not underline correctly" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/24369213:42
bazhangugh14:07
LjL!ebox14:42
ubottuebox is a web-based GUI interface for administering a server. It is designed to work with Ubuntu/Debian style configuration management. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/eBox14:42
LjLit's broken in intrepid14:43
LjLi'll leave the factoid alone though and put a warning in the wiki14:43
bazhang<Nergoth`> Debian vs Gentoo vs Fedora vs CentOS vs FreeBSD? What for the server?14:45
bazhanghmm14:45
Myrttilol14:50
MyrttiI'm the first one in my apartment building to have outdoor lights14:50
geniiMyrtti: And so now it's the local attraction?14:56
genii;)14:56
Myrttihehe14:56
Myrttiit's a signpost for all the lonely geeks of Hervanta to come sing me a serenade and cry when I toss them old Ubuntu CD's as a reward and tell them it's too late to sing serenades for me14:57
Myrtti"sorry boys, someone got ahead of you"14:57
Myrttishinoj: if I did see right, you did CTCP PING at #ubuntu earlier.17:04
shinojMyrtti: joined now what?17:04
Myrtticare to explain?17:04
shinojyes17:04
shinoji was testing if my connection is ok17:04
Myrttiand you decided that pinging the whole channel was a good idea?17:04
shinojno, its not17:05
shinojbut i have to check17:05
Myrttiyou have to check? huh?17:05
shinojya17:05
Myrttithere's million other ways to check than to ping EVERYONE in the channel17:05
shinoji dont know about those17:05
Myrttiwhy didn't you ask?17:06
shinojsorry for that17:06
MyrttiI hope you'll refrain from using it in the future17:06
shinojwill you explain one good mathod17:06
shinojsure17:09
shinojMyrtti: see you peeps later17:09
MyrttiI suggest we change the !offtopic a bit17:44
Myrtti!offtopic17:45
ubottu#ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!17:45
Myrttias it should start with17:46
Myrttiubuntu is only for Ubuntu support issues17:46
stdinI think the #kubuntu version is better than that one17:48
stdin!offtopic-#kubuntu17:48
ubottu#kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!17:48
Myrttiit is better18:06
LjL+118:21
LjLalso, let me ask you about something regarding -ot18:21
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LjLi think we should give the message that -ot is not for "random chatter", but for ubuntu related, non-support discussion18:22
LjLmind, that doesn't have to be enforced strictly, or even mildly18:22
LjLbut it ought to be what the official purpose of the channel is for imo18:22
LjLso the factoid should reflect that, and the same should do the description on the wiki18:22
LjL[19:26:49] --> gmvyoni has joined this channel (n=gmvyoune@83.230.207.216). [19:27:37] --> gmvyouness_ has joined this channel (n=gmvyoune@83.230.207.216).18:28
LjLwatch18:28
LjL!no #ubuntu is <reply> #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, for all Ubuntu-related support questions. Please use #ubuntu-offtopic for other topics. Thanks!18:33
ubottuI'll remember that LjL18:33
LjLi don't think we need to advertize #ubuntu+1 until jaunty starts being in decent shape and people actually start pestering about it18:34
ikoniahail LJL18:47
nixternalnalioth: ping?19:36
ikonianixternal: ping also please19:38
nixternalyo yo19:38
ikoniaI want him first19:39
ikoniaalthough I'd accept pricechild ot another staff member 19:39
ikoniaor19:39
nixternalI just need a staffer who can change channel ownership for me19:39
ikoniaI need to check on someone who I think is ban dodging19:41
ikoniaalthough I think it is the same guy less now, but could do with checking19:41
ikonianever a stafer around when you want one19:42
ikoniathey are like busses, big and red19:42
naliothFor questions and to register your project or group on freenode, see this page: http://freenode.net/group_registration.shtml19:43
ikonianalioth: could you check something for me please19:44
naliothikonia: sure19:44
ikoniaI think I'm wrong now but checking would hurt19:44
ikonianalioth: a user newfaq was using a cloak and got banned, can you see if his ip range is anything like the current user "linny" please19:45
naliothno cloak was used19:46
ikoniaI don't think it's the same guy now, but I'd really like to check19:46
ikoniaahh so it wasn't19:46
ikoniaI can't see the ip in the ban, 19:46
ikoniaI can now19:47
ikonianothing like it19:47
ikoniathanks19:47
PiciI don't like this factoid:20:00
Pici!properenglish20:00
ubottuEnglish is a language with rules, grammar, and correct spellings.  Please don't abuse it with AIM-speak and misspelling common words because you are lazy or just being stupid.20:00
Myrttiis it just me, or have the Firefox themes gotten worse or just tacky recently?20:33
naliothMyrtti: firefox has gotten worse lately20:33
PiciMyrtti: I've never cared for most custom firefox themes.20:34
Myrttithere's no charamel anymore :-<20:34
PiciI'm using Chromifox20:34
MyrttiWhitehart it is then20:37
MyrttiI also think we might need new ops for -ot. I suggest we look among the trusted regulars in addition to IRCteam.20:51
manzurbuenas20:52
manzurrecibo este mensaje20:52
manzurYou are banned from #ubuntu.20:52
erUSULmanzur: you must ask in english20:52
manzury quiero saber porque?20:52
manzurerUSUL, thanx bro20:52
manzuri recieved this pop up message, You are banned from #ubuntu.20:52
erUSULmanzur is banned from ubuntu and wish to know why20:52
manzurwhy?20:52
Myrtti@btlogin20:54
Myrttihunk4ths: may we help you somehow?20:54
hunk4thsno se como decirte q estoy aca... para ver si se hizo una njusticia con el usuario manzur, como se hizo conmigo..20:55
hunk4thslo siento no hablo eng ;)20:55
Myrttiexcuse me?20:56
Myrttido you really expect me to run google translate on that?20:56
Myrtti-___-20:57
Myrttihunk4ths: if you don't have any issues we should address you, may I point you to the topic20:57
Myrtti!idle | hunk4ths 20:57
ubottuhunk4ths: Please keep in mind that this channel is for operator/abuse questions only, and we ask you to part when you have no further business here, in order to keep track of users with pending inquiries.20:57
erUSULhe wnats to know if an injustice have been commited with manzur like it have been made with him....20:57
erUSULMyrtti: looking for trouble if you ask me20:57
manzurerUSUL, please help!, i don't know why i was banned from #ubuntu20:58
Myrttiyou joined #ubuntu yesterday at 14:40 UTC20:59
Myrttiroughly20:59
erUSULmanzur: you willhave to wait... patience20:59
manzurerUSUL, thanks20:59
Myrttiand had nothing else to say but inform the channel, who already knew, that flash for 64-bit linux had been released20:59
Myrttias it is only pre-release quality, and not officially supported by ubuntu, your behaviour, including using CAPITAL LETTERS, wasn't acceptable.21:00
Myrttihttp://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/11/18/%23ubuntu.html21:00
Myrttihunk4ths: please leave21:00
Myrttiif you don't have any other business21:00
hunk4ths"0k" sr.21:01
Myrtti@bansearch hunk4ths 21:01
ubottuNo matches found for hunk4ths!n=administ@190.43.99.61 in any channel21:01
Myrttithere is no bans that affect you, choo.21:01
hunk4thsThank you for the fairness of not staying here:)21:02
Myrttithis is something we request for everyone.21:02
Myrttiikonia: *poke*21:02
hunk4thsnever said that the injustice was committed in the channel of ubuntu21:02
Myrttihunk4ths: so why are you here then?21:02
hunk4thswas with me in another channel (ubuntu-es) and wanted to know, because it was true OP who did it ... only suspected it was the same OP21:03
Myrttihunk4ths: loco channel issues are dealt in -irc21:03
hunk4thsI just wanted to know that ...21:03
Myrttithat is, #ubuntu-irc21:03
Myrttinot here21:03
erUSULhunk4ths: los ops de ubuntu-es y ubuntu son diferentes y no tienen que ver... si quieres discutir un ban en #ubuntu-es ve a #ubuntu-es-ops y no molestes aqui21:04
Myrttimanzur: anything you'd like to say?21:04
Myrttimanzur: yes, indeed, you are banned. the operator who banned you is ikonia. I'm sure other ops might want to lift the ban as well if they deem it ok. I, on the other hand, have just taken a Valerian pill and am about to crash into bed.21:05
Myrttihaving said that, I hope someone else of the present ops will continue from here.21:06
manzurwell...... me i don't know i would like to say, it is just that i was just telling them about a new idea in brainstorm.ubuntu.com, i think they did't like it, so he banned me21:06
erUSULMyrtti: Good Night then. Thanks21:06
manzurMyrtti, what do you mean with that?21:06
Myrtti@bansearch *!*@190.43.99.6121:07
ubottuNo matches found for *!*@190.43.99.61 in any channel21:07
Myrttihm.21:07
manzurMyrtti, do i have to wait until ikona lif the ban?21:07
Myrttiwrong query, hold on21:07
Myrtti@bansearch *!*@190.143.12.19521:07
ubottuMatch: *!*@190.143.12.195 by ikonia in #ubuntu on Nov 18 2008 14:41:46 (ID: 6969)21:07
Myrttithere.21:07
manzurso, tell me21:07
Myrttimanzur: ikonia or someone else. I'm heading to bed.21:07
Myrttigood night21:07
manzurgood night then21:08
manzursome one in here please can lift the ban for me?21:08
manzurif you want21:08
LjLmanzur, i can remove the ban, but you have to promise that you'll stick to ubuntu support questions and answers21:28
LjLalso, see what i'm about to send you21:28
LjL!etiquette > manzur    (manzur, see the private message from ubottu)21:28
LjLmanzur: #ubuntu is not a channel to make announcements or give unrequested "tips"21:28
LjLikonia told you several times that your behavior was not appropriate, and you went on anyway21:28
LjLso please don't do that in the future21:28
manzurLjL, ok friend, i promise, can you lift the ban?21:30
manzurplease!?21:30
LjLmanzur: wow, you've already read everything in !etiquette?21:30
manzurLjL, i can't understand what you mean, !etiquette?21:33
manzurexplain me?21:33
LjL!etiquette | manzur21:34
ubottumanzur: Unsure how you should behave on this channel? See (in a private message with the bot, /msg ubottu <keyword>): !AskTheBot, !CoC, !Guidelines, !Offtopic, !Language, !Attitude, !Repeat, !Enter, !Paste, !Caps, !NickSpam, !PM, !English - And most importantly, use common sense...21:34
manzur!etiquete | manzur21:35
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about etiquete21:35
manzurLjL, excuse me, i can't understand what you mean with that21:36
LjLmanzur: just read what the ubottu tells you21:36
manzurLjL, i have already do that21:37
LjLmanzur: you have read all those !triggers, and the web pages that they mention, in 2 minutes?21:38
manzur!CoC21:39
ubottuThe Ubuntu Code of Conduct to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/21:39
manzurLjL, ok now i understand what to do!21:39
manzurbut do you want me to read that?21:40
manzurseriusly?21:40
LjLdo you think i'm being facetious?21:40
LjLyes, seriously.21:40
ikoniaMyrtti: you called21:45
ikoniaoh she's gone to bed21:45
LjLikonia: she called about the above user, anyway21:45
erUSULikonia: asleep by know i guess21:46
ikoniajust catching up21:48
ikonia@btlogin21:50
ikoniaahhh the 64-bit flash guy21:52
ikoniathe guy who refused to speak to me in pm21:52
ikoniamanzur: so what's up now ?21:52
ikoniaapologies for the slow response it took me a moment to catch up21:53
manzurikonia, ok i promise to behave, excuse me.21:54
ikoniawhy did you not respond to me when I was trying to get you to stop ?21:54
ikoniaI'm just interested why you chose to ignore my requests for you to stop, and why you refused to acknowledge my explination of why you where muted in #ubuntu when I was more than happy to remove the ban there and then21:55
ikoniaI've just read what LjL sent to you (the links) but I'm curious to why you just ignored the requests to stop, it wasn't that you didn't understand me requesting you to stop, you just chose to ignore it and keep going on about flash 64bit21:56
manzurbecouse, i didn't see that you where asking me that and when i realise that, it was too late22:01
ikoniamanzur: I asked you 3 times by name. what was not clear ?22:01
manzurit was just the fact that i thought you were one of the rest users try to bother me, i don't know what happened but be sure it won't happen again22:03
manzur;)22:03
ikoniaI'm not winking22:03
ikoniathere is no difference between me or one of the other users asking you22:03
ikoniaand I don't appriciate the telling lies22:03
ikoniayou've first said you didn't think I was talkig to you22:03
ikonianow you said you knew I was talking to you but thought I was just "another user"22:04
ikoniaI will be honest, after the last warning I gave you, I knew you where going to repeat about flash as you where just flaunting it22:04
ikoniathis is the reason I'm asking these questions, as in my opinion there was no doubt you knew where you where doing, and was trying to disrupt22:05
manzurok, forgive me, it will not be happening more22:07
manzuri just like ubuntu, and what to help22:07
manzurin the way i can22:08
ikoniawhat way is that ?22:08
manzuri was just happy, that adobe release its version for 64bits of flash22:08
ikoniamanzur: tell you what, take a day to read and understand the links that LjL gave you, come back here and let us know you understand what you've read and myself or one of the others will let you back into #ubuntu22:09
ikoniaI'll put a note in the log to record that22:09
manzuroh man what can i do? if you say it...22:10
manzurok22:11
ikoniagreat22:11
manzurand why not today, i know what you try to say, i know the way #ubuntu works, it will not happen anymore22:12
manzuri'll behave in here22:12
manzuri will read it22:12
ikoniabecaseu you've not read the documentation that ljl gave you, and I'm not confident you do, that face that you lied to me when I asked you questions doesn't suggest you do know22:13
ikoniamanzur: great, come back in a day when you have read it22:13
ikoniamanzur: more than happy to sort it out in a day when you have read it22:13
LjLmanzur, you completely do NOT know the way #ubuntu works, since 1) you did what you did to begin with 2) you wouldn't even understand what being sent a bot factoid meant22:14
LjLso please stop lying because that only gets us more upset.22:14
ikoniaI've put a note in the log to review it in a day if your more honest with us and have a good understanding of the docs ljl asked you to read22:15
manzurit was not a lie, it happen like i told you, at the end when i realise it and i thought it was another user like me trying to bother, because tell you what? the last time i was in #ubuntu-es, there was a child sendind this "#####" many times, so i thought you were one of them, i don't like to lie....22:16
manzurmy friend22:16
LjLfortunately, we're a bit tidier than #ubuntu-es22:17
ikoniaanother user asking you politly to stop doing what you where doing means you should stop22:17
ikoniaif the user is an op or not does not matter22:17
ikoniait's a community22:17
LjLikonia: stop breathing22:18
ikoniawhich is explained in the docs ljl sent you, which suggests you don't know the guidelines for being in ubuntu22:18
ikoniaLjL: done22:18
LjLikonia: resume breathing22:18
LjLi don't want this to happen on a logged channel22:18
ikoniathank you22:18
ikoniamanzur: the logs been updated, so go take a break for a day and read the docs LjL provided22:19
ikoniamanzur: anything else you need help/clarification with ?22:23
manzurhelp/clarification?, excuse me the problem is that i don't understand what you try to say with that... i am a little confused22:24
ikoniamanzur: do you understand that we'd like you to take a day to read he documents that ljl suggested ?22:24
manzuryes i understand that!22:26
ikoniagreat, so if there is nothing else you need from us, we'll see you in a day or so 22:26
manzurcan you recall me where can i found those documents, please?22:26
ikonia!coc > manzur 22:27
ubottumanzur, please see my private message22:27
ikonia!guidelines > manzur 22:27
manzurok i've seen them thanks!, see you in one day or two, if it is god's will22:27
manzurbye22:27
ikoniathanks22:27
ikoniamanzur: any reason your still here ?22:31
ikonia!idle | manzur 22:31
ubottumanzur: Please keep in mind that this channel is for operator/abuse questions only, and we ask you to part when you have no further business here, in order to keep track of users with pending inquiries.22:31
manzurok22:32
manzurbye22:32
ikoniahowdy Pici 22:33
Piciikonia: Hiyas22:33
ikoniaLjL: thanks for that, should have put a better note on bt22:33
jussio1Morning  all22:35
ikoniahowdy 22:35
ikoniahow's it going down under22:35
jussio1not too bad, running out of cash real fast...22:35
jussio1:D22:35
ikonia:(22:36
PriceChildmust be expensive pretending22:36
jussio1PriceChild: oh shush you!22:36
ikoniaPriceChild: fake tan isn't free you know22:37
jussio1PriceChild: I knew I should have stopped int the midlands...22:37
PriceChildikonia: true true22:37
PriceChildjussio1: but then you would have had to practice the accent22:37
jussio1mind, the weather here feels like england....22:38
jussio1PriceChild: ROFL22:38
ubottuIn #ubuntu, lindenle said: !g++-3.4 is Why is it missing from ibex?22:42
PriceChild!info g++22:42
ubottug++ (source: gcc-defaults (1.74ubuntu2)): The GNU C++ compiler. In component main, is optional. Version 4:4.3.1-1ubuntu2 (intrepid), package size 1 kB, installed size 40 kB22:42
PriceChildI 'guess' because we have 4.3?22:43
ikoniabecause it's old22:43
ikoniaand most modern stuff won't build with it anymore22:43
jussio1ancient is the word you are looking for...22:44
ikoniawell, thats a tad harsh, but it is old22:45
PriceChildSeems he wants to install root.cern.ch but root-system isn't good enough for him.22:49
PriceChildI assume root-system was built with 4.3.. probably wrong.22:50
ikoniaI would say it was22:50
PriceChildhe seems happy with my suggestion of looking at how root-system is packaged so he can patch his so it builds.22:51
ikoniaa reasonable suggestion22:52
ubottusnuxoll called the ops in #ubuntu-offtopic (buckN1GGER)23:01
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