[02:45] <mneptok> !info pspvc
[02:45] <mneptok> munf.
[04:29] <mneptok> tritium: so how old is doomcat?
[04:58] <tritium> mneptok: I don't recall exactly.  Perhaps 11.
[04:58] <mneptok> thought so. :)
[04:58] <mneptok> ZOMG I RAN A MEETING!!!11!1!11!!!!one!!!!
[05:00] <tritium> :)
[05:00] <tritium> He's dthomasdigital's son.
[05:49] <tritium> Heh, now that was amusing...Floodbot2 telling ubottu not to flood.  ;)
[05:57] <tritium> Good night!
[06:16] <genii> @whoami
[06:16] <genii> Hm
[06:18] <genii> @login
[06:18] <genii> Hm
[06:18] <genii> @login
[06:18] <genii> Whew
[06:22] <genii> Good evening, morning or afternoon ...
[06:22]  * genii looks around for Myrtti
[06:56] <nickrud> Flannel, I think pointing people at that ext3 undelete process will swear them off linux forever ;)
[06:58] <Flannel> nickrud: yeah... well, on the otherhand, some people are masochists.
[06:59] <nickrud> I'm not. Proof: I don't do gentoo I do ubuntu
[07:06] <ikonia> why the heck do you have to register to get firefox plugins now
[07:07] <genii> That sounds .... wrong ....
[07:07] <ikonia> yes, "to download this plugin you need to register and login"
[07:08] <Flannel> ikonia: only experimental ones, I believe
[07:08] <nickrud> strange, I just got delicious without logging in.
[07:09] <ikonia> ahh experimental ones only
[07:09] <Flannel> the idea, I believe, is you ought to be prepared to submit bug reports, etc.
[07:10] <ikonia> seems a reasonable, should be optional though, but not the end of the world
[07:13] <Flannel> Is anyone else lagging?  Just slightly?
[07:14] <Flannel> Seems that some stuff comes in bursts, etc.
[07:14] <ikonia> Flannel: you've been suffering for a while now
[07:15] <Flannel> ikonia: Its just today.  Earlier I wasn't sure if it was my connection to freenode, or my ocnnection to my home.  But, now I know its not the latter.
[07:15] <Flannel> but yeah, no lag count on irssi, but it just feels it
[08:05] <elkbuntu> meh, i believe i will chuck a sickie tomorrow. scratchy throat and feeling like crap.
[08:10] <elkbuntu> though, technically a 'sickie' is 'taking a sick day even though not actually sick'
[09:07] <Myrtti> *yawn*
[09:08] <Myrtti> MOIN!
[09:09]  * elkbuntu huggles Myrtti
[09:20] <Myrtti> omg.
[09:20] <Myrtti> http://pocketgaming.blogspot.com/2007/07/singer-izek-gameboy-controlled-sewing.html
[09:20] <Myrtti> :-o
[09:25] <elkbuntu> ...
[09:41] <Myrtti> ... http://twitter.com/migueldeicaza/status/1012481075
[09:42] <Myrtti> he has lost his mind
[09:44] <elkbuntu> grr... whoever said that ff3 was less of a resource hog than ff2 -- was lying.
[10:44] <ikonia> @btlogin
[10:47] <bazhang> wrong channel ikonia 
[10:47] <ikonia> cut and paste didn't work !
[10:48] <ikonia> it pasted out of BT rather than the IP I had highlighed and added enter for fun
[10:48] <bazhang> I usually just drag then middle click
[10:49] <ikonia> not got X 
[10:49] <ikonia> on a console
[10:49] <bazhang> oh
[10:49] <bazhang> not sure then
[10:49] <ikonia> I think it was just a glitch with cut and paste
[10:49] <ikonia> happens every so often
[10:50] <bazhang> yup
[10:50] <ikonia> it doesn't take the highlight and pastes the last highlight
[10:50] <ikonia> annoying none the less
[10:50] <ikonia> as you don't know until you've pasted it
[10:50] <bazhang> I've done much much worse :)
[10:51] <ikonia> as have I, still annoying though
[10:52] <bazhang> no wai
[10:52] <Myrtti> O NOES! my long thumb fingernail I've used as a stylus chipped! how can I live now?! oh wait. nvm.
[11:14] <elkbuntu> Myrtti, i swear mc44 ignores me...
[11:31] <Myrtti> elkbuntu: and I swear that nikki93 is a trolling alterego of someone...
[11:33] <elkbuntu> i think so too
[11:34] <elkbuntu> [citation needed] though :(
[13:26] <bazhang> @bansearch yogandra
[13:29] <LjL> jrib: is "pc", like, asking random questions every ten seconds and not quite even listening to the answers?
[13:30] <Pici> Sounds like it.
[13:30] <bazhang> yep
[13:30] <bazhang> digital vibrance?
[13:31] <LjL> bazhang: it's a useless feature of nvidia drivers
[13:31] <bazhang> LjL, aha
[13:31] <LjL> bazhang: basically increases saturation for most colors, afaics
[13:31] <Pici> Its silly
[13:31] <bazhang> LjL, I set that in my monitor (hw)
[13:32] <LjL> bazhang: hm? i set brightness and contrast, not saturation, on mine
[13:32] <jrib> LjL: pc started off fine installing flash and security updates.  Don't about the recent questions
[13:32] <bazhang> mine has movie mode, picture mode, all kinds of newfangled modes 
 pc: oh, i thought Digital Vibrance was an Nvidia-specific term...
[13:33] <LjL> and i still think that
[13:33] <LjL> according to google
[13:33] <Pici> bazhang: Mine too, its an NEC
[13:33] <bazhang> Pici, nice
[13:42] <Myrtti> excuse me while I abuse the bot and the channel
[13:42] <Myrtti> bug 243692
[14:07] <bazhang> ugh
[14:42] <LjL> !ebox
[14:43] <LjL> it's broken in intrepid
[14:43] <LjL> i'll leave the factoid alone though and put a warning in the wiki
 Debian vs Gentoo vs Fedora vs CentOS vs FreeBSD? What for the server?
[14:45] <bazhang> hmm
[14:50] <Myrtti> lol
[14:50] <Myrtti> I'm the first one in my apartment building to have outdoor lights
[14:56] <genii> Myrtti: And so now it's the local attraction?
[14:56] <genii> ;)
[14:56] <Myrtti> hehe
[14:57] <Myrtti> it's a signpost for all the lonely geeks of Hervanta to come sing me a serenade and cry when I toss them old Ubuntu CD's as a reward and tell them it's too late to sing serenades for me
[14:57] <Myrtti> "sorry boys, someone got ahead of you"
[17:04] <Myrtti> shinoj: if I did see right, you did CTCP PING at #ubuntu earlier.
[17:04] <shinoj> Myrtti: joined now what?
[17:04] <Myrtti> care to explain?
[17:04] <shinoj> yes
[17:04] <shinoj> i was testing if my connection is ok
[17:04] <Myrtti> and you decided that pinging the whole channel was a good idea?
[17:05] <shinoj> no, its not
[17:05] <shinoj> but i have to check
[17:05] <Myrtti> you have to check? huh?
[17:05] <shinoj> ya
[17:05] <Myrtti> there's million other ways to check than to ping EVERYONE in the channel
[17:05] <shinoj> i dont know about those
[17:06] <Myrtti> why didn't you ask?
[17:06] <shinoj> sorry for that
[17:06] <Myrtti> I hope you'll refrain from using it in the future
[17:06] <shinoj> will you explain one good mathod
[17:09] <shinoj> sure
[17:09] <shinoj> Myrtti: see you peeps later
[17:44] <Myrtti> I suggest we change the !offtopic a bit
[17:45] <Myrtti> !offtopic
[17:46] <Myrtti> as it should start with
[17:46] <Myrtti> ubuntu is only for Ubuntu support issues
[17:48] <stdin> I think the #kubuntu version is better than that one
[17:48] <stdin> !offtopic-#kubuntu
[18:06] <Myrtti> it is better
[18:21] <LjL> +1
[18:21] <LjL> also, let me ask you about something regarding -ot
[18:22] <LjL> i think we should give the message that -ot is not for "random chatter", but for ubuntu related, non-support discussion
[18:22] <LjL> mind, that doesn't have to be enforced strictly, or even mildly
[18:22] <LjL> but it ought to be what the official purpose of the channel is for imo
[18:22] <LjL> so the factoid should reflect that, and the same should do the description on the wiki
[18:28] <LjL> [19:26:49] --> gmvyoni has joined this channel (n=gmvyoune@83.230.207.216). [19:27:37] --> gmvyouness_ has joined this channel (n=gmvyoune@83.230.207.216).
[18:28] <LjL> watch
[18:33] <LjL> !no #ubuntu is <reply> #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, for all Ubuntu-related support questions. Please use #ubuntu-offtopic for other topics. Thanks!
[18:34] <LjL> i don't think we need to advertize #ubuntu+1 until jaunty starts being in decent shape and people actually start pestering about it
[18:47] <ikonia> hail LJL
[19:36] <nixternal> nalioth: ping?
[19:38] <ikonia> nixternal: ping also please
[19:38] <nixternal> yo yo
[19:39] <ikonia> I want him first
[19:39] <ikonia> although I'd accept pricechild ot another staff member 
[19:39] <ikonia> or
[19:39] <nixternal> I just need a staffer who can change channel ownership for me
[19:41] <ikonia> I need to check on someone who I think is ban dodging
[19:41] <ikonia> although I think it is the same guy less now, but could do with checking
[19:42] <ikonia> never a stafer around when you want one
[19:42] <ikonia> they are like busses, big and red
[19:43] <nalioth> For questions and to register your project or group on freenode, see this page: http://freenode.net/group_registration.shtml
[19:44] <ikonia> nalioth: could you check something for me please
[19:44] <nalioth> ikonia: sure
[19:44] <ikonia> I think I'm wrong now but checking would hurt
[19:45] <ikonia> nalioth: a user newfaq was using a cloak and got banned, can you see if his ip range is anything like the current user "linny" please
[19:46] <nalioth> no cloak was used
[19:46] <ikonia> I don't think it's the same guy now, but I'd really like to check
[19:46] <ikonia> ahh so it wasn't
[19:46] <ikonia> I can't see the ip in the ban, 
[19:47] <ikonia> I can now
[19:47] <ikonia> nothing like it
[19:47] <ikonia> thanks
[20:00] <Pici> I don't like this factoid:
[20:00] <Pici> !properenglish
[20:33] <Myrtti> is it just me, or have the Firefox themes gotten worse or just tacky recently?
[20:33] <nalioth> Myrtti: firefox has gotten worse lately
[20:34] <Pici> Myrtti: I've never cared for most custom firefox themes.
[20:34] <Myrtti> there's no charamel anymore :-<
[20:34] <Pici> I'm using Chromifox
[20:37] <Myrtti> Whitehart it is then
[20:51] <Myrtti> I also think we might need new ops for -ot. I suggest we look among the trusted regulars in addition to IRCteam.
[20:52] <manzur> buenas
[20:52] <manzur> recibo este mensaje
[20:52] <manzur> You are banned from #ubuntu.
[20:52] <erUSUL> manzur: you must ask in english
[20:52] <manzur> y quiero saber porque?
[20:52] <manzur> erUSUL, thanx bro
[20:52] <manzur> i recieved this pop up message, You are banned from #ubuntu.
[20:52] <erUSUL> manzur is banned from ubuntu and wish to know why
[20:52] <manzur> why?
[20:54] <Myrtti> @btlogin
[20:54] <Myrtti> hunk4ths: may we help you somehow?
[20:55] <hunk4ths> no se como decirte q estoy aca... para ver si se hizo una njusticia con el usuario manzur, como se hizo conmigo..
[20:55] <hunk4ths> lo siento no hablo eng ;)
[20:56] <Myrtti> excuse me?
[20:56] <Myrtti> do you really expect me to run google translate on that?
[20:57] <Myrtti> -___-
[20:57] <Myrtti> hunk4ths: if you don't have any issues we should address you, may I point you to the topic
[20:57] <Myrtti> !idle | hunk4ths 
[20:57] <erUSUL> he wnats to know if an injustice have been commited with manzur like it have been made with him....
[20:57] <erUSUL> Myrtti: looking for trouble if you ask me
[20:58] <manzur> erUSUL, please help!, i don't know why i was banned from #ubuntu
[20:59] <Myrtti> you joined #ubuntu yesterday at 14:40 UTC
[20:59] <Myrtti> roughly
[20:59] <erUSUL> manzur: you willhave to wait... patience
[20:59] <manzur> erUSUL, thanks
[20:59] <Myrtti> and had nothing else to say but inform the channel, who already knew, that flash for 64-bit linux had been released
[21:00] <Myrtti> as it is only pre-release quality, and not officially supported by ubuntu, your behaviour, including using CAPITAL LETTERS, wasn't acceptable.
[21:00] <Myrtti> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/11/18/%23ubuntu.html
[21:00] <Myrtti> hunk4ths: please leave
[21:00] <Myrtti> if you don't have any other business
[21:01] <hunk4ths> "0k" sr.
[21:01] <Myrtti> @bansearch hunk4ths 
[21:01] <Myrtti> there is no bans that affect you, choo.
[21:02] <hunk4ths> Thank you for the fairness of not staying here:)
[21:02] <Myrtti> this is something we request for everyone.
[21:02] <Myrtti> ikonia: *poke*
[21:02] <hunk4ths> never said that the injustice was committed in the channel of ubuntu
[21:02] <Myrtti> hunk4ths: so why are you here then?
[21:03] <hunk4ths> was with me in another channel (ubuntu-es) and wanted to know, because it was true OP who did it ... only suspected it was the same OP
[21:03] <Myrtti> hunk4ths: loco channel issues are dealt in -irc
[21:03] <hunk4ths> I just wanted to know that ...
[21:03] <Myrtti> that is, #ubuntu-irc
[21:03] <Myrtti> not here
[21:04] <erUSUL> hunk4ths: los ops de ubuntu-es y ubuntu son diferentes y no tienen que ver... si quieres discutir un ban en #ubuntu-es ve a #ubuntu-es-ops y no molestes aqui
[21:04] <Myrtti> manzur: anything you'd like to say?
[21:05] <Myrtti> manzur: yes, indeed, you are banned. the operator who banned you is ikonia. I'm sure other ops might want to lift the ban as well if they deem it ok. I, on the other hand, have just taken a Valerian pill and am about to crash into bed.
[21:06] <Myrtti> having said that, I hope someone else of the present ops will continue from here.
[21:06] <manzur> well...... me i don't know i would like to say, it is just that i was just telling them about a new idea in brainstorm.ubuntu.com, i think they did't like it, so he banned me
[21:06] <erUSUL> Myrtti: Good Night then. Thanks
[21:06] <manzur> Myrtti, what do you mean with that?
[21:07] <Myrtti> @bansearch *!*@190.43.99.61
[21:07] <Myrtti> hm.
[21:07] <manzur> Myrtti, do i have to wait until ikona lif the ban?
[21:07] <Myrtti> wrong query, hold on
[21:07] <Myrtti> @bansearch *!*@190.143.12.195
[21:07] <Myrtti> there.
[21:07] <manzur> so, tell me
[21:07] <Myrtti> manzur: ikonia or someone else. I'm heading to bed.
[21:07] <Myrtti> good night
[21:08] <manzur> good night then
[21:08] <manzur> some one in here please can lift the ban for me?
[21:08] <manzur> if you want
[21:28] <LjL> manzur, i can remove the ban, but you have to promise that you'll stick to ubuntu support questions and answers
[21:28] <LjL> also, see what i'm about to send you
[21:28] <LjL> !etiquette > manzur    (manzur, see the private message from ubottu)
[21:28] <LjL> manzur: #ubuntu is not a channel to make announcements or give unrequested "tips"
[21:28] <LjL> ikonia told you several times that your behavior was not appropriate, and you went on anyway
[21:28] <LjL> so please don't do that in the future
[21:30] <manzur> LjL, ok friend, i promise, can you lift the ban?
[21:30] <manzur> please!?
[21:30] <LjL> manzur: wow, you've already read everything in !etiquette?
[21:33] <manzur> LjL, i can't understand what you mean, !etiquette?
[21:33] <manzur> explain me?
[21:34] <LjL> !etiquette | manzur
[21:35] <manzur> !etiquete | manzur
[21:36] <manzur> LjL, excuse me, i can't understand what you mean with that
[21:36] <LjL> manzur: just read what the ubottu tells you
[21:37] <manzur> LjL, i have already do that
[21:38] <LjL> manzur: you have read all those !triggers, and the web pages that they mention, in 2 minutes?
[21:39] <manzur> !CoC
[21:39] <manzur> LjL, ok now i understand what to do!
[21:40] <manzur> but do you want me to read that?
[21:40] <manzur> seriusly?
[21:40] <LjL> do you think i'm being facetious?
[21:40] <LjL> yes, seriously.
[21:45] <ikonia> Myrtti: you called
[21:45] <ikonia> oh she's gone to bed
[21:45] <LjL> ikonia: she called about the above user, anyway
[21:46] <erUSUL> ikonia: asleep by know i guess
[21:48] <ikonia> just catching up
[21:50] <ikonia> @btlogin
[21:52] <ikonia> ahhh the 64-bit flash guy
[21:52] <ikonia> the guy who refused to speak to me in pm
[21:52] <ikonia> manzur: so what's up now ?
[21:53] <ikonia> apologies for the slow response it took me a moment to catch up
[21:54] <manzur> ikonia, ok i promise to behave, excuse me.
[21:54] <ikonia> why did you not respond to me when I was trying to get you to stop ?
[21:55] <ikonia> I'm just interested why you chose to ignore my requests for you to stop, and why you refused to acknowledge my explination of why you where muted in #ubuntu when I was more than happy to remove the ban there and then
[21:56] <ikonia> I've just read what LjL sent to you (the links) but I'm curious to why you just ignored the requests to stop, it wasn't that you didn't understand me requesting you to stop, you just chose to ignore it and keep going on about flash 64bit
[22:01] <manzur> becouse, i didn't see that you where asking me that and when i realise that, it was too late
[22:01] <ikonia> manzur: I asked you 3 times by name. what was not clear ?
[22:03] <manzur> it was just the fact that i thought you were one of the rest users try to bother me, i don't know what happened but be sure it won't happen again
[22:03] <manzur> ;)
[22:03] <ikonia> I'm not winking
[22:03] <ikonia> there is no difference between me or one of the other users asking you
[22:03] <ikonia> and I don't appriciate the telling lies
[22:03] <ikonia> you've first said you didn't think I was talkig to you
[22:04] <ikonia> now you said you knew I was talking to you but thought I was just "another user"
[22:04] <ikonia> I will be honest, after the last warning I gave you, I knew you where going to repeat about flash as you where just flaunting it
[22:05] <ikonia> this is the reason I'm asking these questions, as in my opinion there was no doubt you knew where you where doing, and was trying to disrupt
[22:07] <manzur> ok, forgive me, it will not be happening more
[22:07] <manzur> i just like ubuntu, and what to help
[22:08] <manzur> in the way i can
[22:08] <ikonia> what way is that ?
[22:08] <manzur> i was just happy, that adobe release its version for 64bits of flash
[22:09] <ikonia> manzur: tell you what, take a day to read and understand the links that LjL gave you, come back here and let us know you understand what you've read and myself or one of the others will let you back into #ubuntu
[22:09] <ikonia> I'll put a note in the log to record that
[22:10] <manzur> oh man what can i do? if you say it...
[22:11] <manzur> ok
[22:11] <ikonia> great
[22:12] <manzur> and why not today, i know what you try to say, i know the way #ubuntu works, it will not happen anymore
[22:12] <manzur> i'll behave in here
[22:12] <manzur> i will read it
[22:13] <ikonia> becaseu you've not read the documentation that ljl gave you, and I'm not confident you do, that face that you lied to me when I asked you questions doesn't suggest you do know
[22:13] <ikonia> manzur: great, come back in a day when you have read it
[22:13] <ikonia> manzur: more than happy to sort it out in a day when you have read it
[22:14] <LjL> manzur, you completely do NOT know the way #ubuntu works, since 1) you did what you did to begin with 2) you wouldn't even understand what being sent a bot factoid meant
[22:14] <LjL> so please stop lying because that only gets us more upset.
[22:15] <ikonia> I've put a note in the log to review it in a day if your more honest with us and have a good understanding of the docs ljl asked you to read
[22:16] <manzur> it was not a lie, it happen like i told you, at the end when i realise it and i thought it was another user like me trying to bother, because tell you what? the last time i was in #ubuntu-es, there was a child sendind this "#####" many times, so i thought you were one of them, i don't like to lie....
[22:16] <manzur> my friend
[22:17] <LjL> fortunately, we're a bit tidier than #ubuntu-es
[22:17] <ikonia> another user asking you politly to stop doing what you where doing means you should stop
[22:17] <ikonia> if the user is an op or not does not matter
[22:17] <ikonia> it's a community
[22:18] <LjL> ikonia: stop breathing
[22:18] <ikonia> which is explained in the docs ljl sent you, which suggests you don't know the guidelines for being in ubuntu
[22:18] <ikonia> LjL: done
[22:18] <LjL> ikonia: resume breathing
[22:18] <LjL> i don't want this to happen on a logged channel
[22:18] <ikonia> thank you
[22:19] <ikonia> manzur: the logs been updated, so go take a break for a day and read the docs LjL provided
[22:23] <ikonia> manzur: anything else you need help/clarification with ?
[22:24] <manzur> help/clarification?, excuse me the problem is that i don't understand what you try to say with that... i am a little confused
[22:24] <ikonia> manzur: do you understand that we'd like you to take a day to read he documents that ljl suggested ?
[22:26] <manzur> yes i understand that!
[22:26] <ikonia> great, so if there is nothing else you need from us, we'll see you in a day or so 
[22:26] <manzur> can you recall me where can i found those documents, please?
[22:27] <ikonia> !coc > manzur 
[22:27] <ikonia> !guidelines > manzur 
[22:27] <manzur> ok i've seen them thanks!, see you in one day or two, if it is god's will
[22:27] <manzur> bye
[22:27] <ikonia> thanks
[22:31] <ikonia> manzur: any reason your still here ?
[22:31] <ikonia> !idle | manzur 
[22:32] <manzur> ok
[22:32] <manzur> bye
[22:33] <ikonia> howdy Pici 
[22:33] <Pici> ikonia: Hiyas
[22:33] <ikonia> LjL: thanks for that, should have put a better note on bt
[22:35] <jussio1> Morning  all
[22:35] <ikonia> howdy 
[22:35] <ikonia> how's it going down under
[22:35] <jussio1> not too bad, running out of cash real fast...
[22:35] <jussio1> :D
[22:36] <ikonia> :(
[22:36] <PriceChild> must be expensive pretending
[22:36] <jussio1> PriceChild: oh shush you!
[22:37] <ikonia> PriceChild: fake tan isn't free you know
[22:37] <jussio1> PriceChild: I knew I should have stopped int the midlands...
[22:37] <PriceChild> ikonia: true true
[22:37] <PriceChild> jussio1: but then you would have had to practice the accent
[22:38] <jussio1> mind, the weather here feels like england....
[22:38] <jussio1> PriceChild: ROFL
[22:42] <PriceChild> !info g++
[22:43] <PriceChild> I 'guess' because we have 4.3?
[22:43] <ikonia> because it's old
[22:43] <ikonia> and most modern stuff won't build with it anymore
[22:44] <jussio1> ancient is the word you are looking for...
[22:45] <ikonia> well, thats a tad harsh, but it is old
[22:49] <PriceChild> Seems he wants to install root.cern.ch but root-system isn't good enough for him.
[22:50] <PriceChild> I assume root-system was built with 4.3.. probably wrong.
[22:50] <ikonia> I would say it was
[22:51] <PriceChild> he seems happy with my suggestion of looking at how root-system is packaged so he can patch his so it builds.
[22:52] <ikonia> a reasonable suggestion