[00:00] <n1ura> i was just thinking that it would automatically connect if i was within range
[00:00] <neozen> n1ura: have to tell it to of course
[00:00] <neozen> n1ura: wired connections are different
[00:00] <neozen> n1ura: those should just happen the second the card realizes there's a live network cable plugged into it
[00:00] <n1ura> well thank you for your time and help.
[00:00] <neozen> n1ura: lol
[00:00] <neozen> n1ura: no problem
[00:00] <neozen> n1ura: just remember
[00:01] <neozen> n1ura: read the getting started guide first
[00:01] <n1ura> ok, thank you
[00:01] <neozen> n1ura: my pleasure
[00:01] <neozen> n1ura: btw... looks like support for your card was only recently included
[00:02] <neozen> n1ura: you picked a good time to mess w/ linux ;)
[00:02] <neozen> n1ura: have fun
[00:07] <Geekthras> Ok this isn't a ubuntu-specific problem but I'm not sure where else to ask (##windows was unhelpful): A while ago I was using xubuntu, but it crashed and corrupted the C:/ubuntu folder. Now, I want to install ubuntu in any form, but my hard drive thinks it only has 9 GB free even thought it's a 70 GB drive and I'm using ~10. Please note that this is an ultraportable laptop with no cd drive.
[00:08] <neozen> Geekthras: goody
[00:08] <neozen> Geekthras: dows windows run?
[00:08] <Geekthras> Yes
[00:08] <neozen> Geekthras: *does
[00:08] <neozen> Geekthras: cool
[00:09] <neozen> Geekthras: can you plug it into a wired internet connection?
[00:09] <neozen> Geekthras: and leave it alone for an hour or so?
[00:09] <Geekthras> probably. I'm on it right now
[00:09] <neozen> Geekthras: ok.... ever used the 'alternate installer'?
[00:09] <neozen> Geekthras: is text-based install
[00:11] <Geekthras> will that allow me to give it 20 or so gigs despite the fact that I supposedly have about 9 free?
[00:12] <neozen> Geekthras: yeah
[00:12] <Geekthras> sweet thanks
[00:12] <neozen> Geekthras: my guess is you re-partitioned your HD during the install of linux
[00:12] <neozen> Geekthras: one sec
[00:12] <neozen> Geekthras: will send link
[00:13] <Geekthras> already downloading
[00:13] <neozen> Geekthras: http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net
[00:13] <neozen> Geekthras: k
[00:13] <neozen> Geekthras: I've used it before on a g/f's laptop that didn't have cd
[00:14] <Geekthras> :< wow 1.1 mB/s
[00:14] <neozen> Geekthras: text installer is a little rougher around the edges then most... but you'll probably figure it out
[00:14] <Geekthras> or I'll blow up my computer
[00:14] <neozen> Geekthras: yeah... it pulls all the BIG stuff off the net
[00:14] <Geekthras> no worries, eh :P
[00:14] <neozen> Geekthras: that's why you don't need a cd to install
[00:15] <Geekthras> I think the last time I downloaded the .iso and opened it with wubi
[00:15] <neozen> Geekthras: heh
[00:15] <neozen> Geekthras: didn't think of that
[00:15] <neozen> Geekthras: never used wubi
[00:16] <neozen> Geekthras: ahh I see... keeps the existing windows install
[00:16] <Geekthras> oh that reminds me that xubuntu shows up in the boot manager still
[00:16] <neozen> Geekthras: in her case she wanted it gone...
[00:16] <Geekthras> er will this kill my windows installation?
[00:17] <neozen> Geekthras: no... just select the proper partitions when you're setting it up
[00:17] <Geekthras> ok
[00:17] <neozen> Geekthras: windows is usually the first one
[00:18] <neozen> Geekthras: also installs grub boot loader (not sure what wubi uses to pick)
[00:19] <neozen> Geekthras: other option is to tell wubi to uninstall itself... then reinstall and re-partition in wubi
[00:19] <neozen> Geekthras: if it allows that
[00:21] <Geekthras> wubi doesn't partition it, apparently
[00:26] <Sune> Anyone have any advice of a good place to learn how to use Xubuntu?
[00:29] <neozen> Geekthras: hmm... strange
[00:29] <Superlatino> buenas  como  le añado codecs
[00:29] <neozen> Geekthras: got a distro you can boot from usb?
[00:29] <Geekthras> neozen: it makes a .iso
[00:30] <neozen> Geekthras: ::shrugs:: offered a suggestion
[00:30] <neozen> Geekthras: other then Unetbootin don't know what to tell you
[00:31] <neozen> Geekthras: how'd you bork your wubi installed version?
[00:31] <Geekthras> Superlatino: ni idea, lo siento :(
[00:31] <Geekthras> neozen: it just sort of crashed and the folder it was in got corrupted
[00:32]  * Geekthras looks at what he wrote up there
[00:32] <Geekthras> wait I don't know spanish wtf
[00:32] <Geekthras> hum no visits to google translator either
[00:33] <neozen> Geekthras: what's anado?
[00:33] <neozen> !w32codecs
[00:33] <Geekthras> neozen: add?
[00:33] <Geekthras> I'm guessing here
[00:34] <neozen> Geekthras: heh
[00:34] <neozen> Geekthras: crashed during install.... or while booting ubuntu?
[00:34] <Geekthras> after I had been using it for a while
[00:35] <neozen> Geekthras: bummer
[00:35] <neozen> Geekthras: all I've ever dealt w/ was full dual(duel?)-boot scenarios
[00:36] <neozen> Geekthras: ubuntu installed in a loopback filesystem seems just a little wrong
[00:36] <neozen> Geekthras: satisfies the need I suppose
[00:39] <neozen> Geekthras: well... I'm off
[00:39] <neozen> Geekthras: catch ye later
[01:52] <surplusxmas> Looking for a good GUI mass file renamer. Any suggestions?
[01:58] <Odd-rationale> surplusxmas: thunar has one built in...
[01:59] <vidd> gee....i was all ready to post a .deb for firefox 3.0.4 and it's already in the repos =\
[02:38] <Capa`> yo gangstas
[02:39] <Capa`> I have a noob question for you. I have a Thinkpad 240. 300mhz. It has no CDROM. Can I install xubuntu via floppy?
[02:40] <Capa`> alternately, can I attach the lappy's HD to my desktop and install it that way? Also, if I were to install that way, would the installer configure the OS specifically to match my desktop (AMD 64, 2.4ghz), thus causing problems with the Thinkpad?
[02:40] <vidd> !floppy
[02:40] <vidd> =\
[02:42] <vidd> Capa`, check out https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/
[02:42] <vidd> many different ways to install
[02:42] <Capa`> ok
[02:44] <Capa`> ah very nice. I think that will solve my problem
[02:44] <vidd> =]
[04:12] <dorne> Hello, does someone know the default username and password for a fresh persistant install of xubuntu on my usb?
[04:13] <dorne> *anyone
[04:13] <Odd-rationale> i think username is ubuntu. passwd none
[04:13] <dorne> I've happened to try that
[04:13] <dorne> It wasn't working
[04:13] <dorne> I've used version 8.10, if it helps
[04:14] <Odd-rationale> idk... sorry :(
[04:15] <dorne> I have followed pendrivelinux's advice on installing using a batch of instructions for Windows (XP).
[04:15] <dorne> http://www.pendrivelinux.com/2008/11/05/usb-xubuntu-810-persistent-install-windows/
[04:15] <dorne> However it never mentions the logon screen
[04:15] <dorne> I too assumed that the user is ubuntu and passwd is nothing =/
[04:16] <Capa`> can you boot into single user and change the pw?
[04:17] <dorne> I'd need to check If I can change the runlevel before I choose persistant run.
[04:17] <dorne> I'll see if I can
[04:17] <dorne> brb 30 minutes or so
[04:27] <dorne> ok, back and it seems like there is a boot option area
[04:33] <dorne> Does the screen that gives the choice of running persistantly or installing count as a boot loader?
[04:36] <Capa`> dunno i'm a nooob
[04:39] <dorne> Has anyone here installed Xubuntu 8.10 on their USB?
[04:40] <dorne> Has anyone ever had this user/passwd problem occur to them?
[04:46] <Capa`> i'm trying to installit via usb right now.
[04:46] <Capa`> i'm dlin the ISO now.
[04:46] <Capa`> gonna take a couple hrs to dl it tho.
[04:46] <dorne> which way are you installing it?
[04:46] <dorne> windows?
[04:46] <Capa`> i just installed unetbootin
[04:47] <Capa`> no.
[04:47] <Capa`> i have a another computer that already has ubuntu running.
[04:47] <Capa`> i'll probably use that to set the usb drive up .
[04:47] <Capa`> then i'll attach the usb drive to the other computer for the install.
[04:47] <Capa`> (if that's how it works ... i'm figuring this out as I go)
[04:49] <dorne> thanks Capa
[04:49] <Capa`> good luck
[04:49] <Capa`> i gues sunetbootin works on windows too
[04:50] <Capa`> http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/
[04:50] <Capa`> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick
[04:51] <Capa`> I am trying " Automatic Approaches: UNetbootin (GUI-based, runs from either Windows or Linux)"
[05:00] <dorne> Capa, and everyone else, I think I'll be turning in for the night. If you happen to find the username/password for a persistent run of Xubuntu on USB, please email me. Thanks
[07:50] <jarnos> What is thunar-tpa process needed for?
[09:01] <phome> fellas, how do I mount a SMB network drive if it has no security?
[09:01] <phome> I keep getting a password prompt - don't want to install Bloatilus
[09:02] <phome> ideally, I'd like to use Thunar but it doesn't support it
[09:03] <knome> !smbfs
[09:04] <knome> !fuse
[09:04] <knome> phome, ^
[09:05]  * phome reads
[09:05] <phome> that seems a little complicated
[09:05] <knome> but with fuse you can use samba with thunar..
[09:05] <phome> all I really want to do is map a network drive which doesn't require access creds
[09:05] <knome> !samba
[09:06] <knome> phome, have you read that?
[09:06] <phome> e.g. smbmount there here -o no-creds
[09:06]  * knome will eat now
[09:06] <phome> there doesn't seem to be a way to specify 'anonymous'
[09:08] <phome> not sure of the 'guest' syntax
[09:19] <knome> phome, http://micheljansen.org/blog/entry/182 <- is that any help for you?
[09:21] <phome> I have no control over the samba share - it's a network drive
[09:22] <phome> I don't know what its guest account is
[09:22] <knome> ok
[09:22] <phome> I can connect to it anonymously with Nautilus no problem
[09:22] <phome> but I don't want to install it
[09:23] <knome> a-ha
[09:23] <knome> smbclient -L server_name?
[09:30] <knome> i have to go now. good luck and hopefully somebody will help you soon
[09:31] <phome> that's interesting
[09:31] <phome> doesn't give me user names though
[09:32] <phome> just share names
[10:37] <phome> anyone here running from a pen drive?
[10:37] <phome> I want to know how to access the squashfs
[10:42] <pedrito> Hello. I am some problems trying to install xubuntu 8.04 in a HP pavilium dv4000. The computer hangs on CD install. Mouse not moving... Screen is grey with what appears to be the upper left corner of a window. The computer is not responding and the CD drive is not reading (not active). Any suggestions?
[10:58] <phome> test the disc for faults from the initial menu
[11:40] <pedrito> phome: the CD-rom has no problems. I have downloaded xubuntu 8.10 meanwhile and installation when fine now. I am rebooting right now after complete installation. Thanks for the reply!
[11:41] <phome> yay!
[12:04] <pedrito> 8.10 rocks on a HP pavilium dv4000
[12:10] <qwerkus1> hello
[12:11] <qwerkus1> i have a tricky remote-desktop control question
[12:12] <qwerkus1> here is my config: one laptop (xubuntu 8.04) and one desktop (ubuntu 8.04)
[12:12] <qwerkus1> and i would like to use the keyboard & mouse of my laptop to control the desktop
[12:12] <qwerkus1> (both on the same LAN)
[12:12] <qwerkus1> any idea ?
[12:13] <TheSheep> qwerkus1: synergy
[12:13] <TheSheep> !synergy
[12:13] <TheSheep> http://synergy2.sourceforge.net/
[12:14] <qwerkus1> aha
[12:14] <qwerkus1> looks good
[12:15] <qwerkus1> this is not just a dual monitoring app ?
[12:16] <TheSheep> no, you can use it with 100 computers
[12:17] <qwerkus1> GREAT
[12:17] <qwerkus1> one question though: i read "The computer with the keyboard and mouse is the server, and the computers with the displays to be controlled remotely are the clients"
[12:17] <TheSheep> and have common keyboard, mouse and clipboard for all of them
[12:18] <qwerkus1> does this mean apps started from another computer will suck cpu time on the synergy server ?
[12:18] <TheSheep> no
[12:18] <qwerkus1> even better
[12:18] <qwerkus1> thanks a lot
[12:18] <TheSheep> n/p
[12:18] <qwerkus1> know i have some test to do ...
[12:20] <phome> surely vnc would suffice
[12:40] <curly752> good day... can anyone offer advice on a weird webcam problem since upgrading to v. 8.10 please?
[12:42] <curly752> my webcam is the popular Philips SPC900NC... and now 8.10 has decided to install a Creative webcam driver
[12:43] <curly752> dmesg shows my webcam is recognised correctly... but lsusb shows it as a ORITE CCD webcam (PC370r) which i'm sure is a Creative Labs model
[12:43] <curly752> i'm puzzled
[12:44] <curly752> plus the ouput image is awful
[12:44] <phome> my webcam no longer works with the 8.10 upgrade
[12:45] <phome> haven't found anything useful on the web yet
[12:46] <curly752> the Philips vendor ID for my cam has always been 0471:0329 but now the linux_usb_list shows that ID as the Creative model... and the SPC900NC has kinda fallen off that list....
[12:47] <curly752> phome: what cam do you have?
[12:49] <phome> logitech quickcam zoom
[12:49] <phome> quite an old one
[12:49] <phome> worked perfectly with cheese, skype on 8.04
[12:50] <curly752> hmmm
[12:50] <phome> now my face is bright green and completely square
[12:53] <curly752> uh oh... it looks like the techies are in siesta.... i'll pop over to #ubuntu... bye now
[13:09] <tominglis> how do i force grub to boot a particular version of the kernel which works best, but which isn't the latest one? i have xubuntu 8.04.1
[14:58] <ushills> Can anyone tell me how I configure wireless via GUI with 8.10, i had the option when i installed but can now only do by editing interfaces
[14:59] <knome> alt+f2 > gksudo NetworkManager
[15:00] <ushills> Thanks
[15:28] <Enzor> Is there an alternative to Totem movie player
[15:29] <Odd-rationale> Enzor: vlc or mplayer are good alternatives.
[15:30] <Odd-rationale> Enzor: Or you could simply replace it with totem-xine, which supports more formats.
[15:31] <Enzor> Will TOtem-xine automatically open VCD and DVD media?
[15:31] <Odd-rationale> i think it can.
[15:34] <Enzor> Totem-xine is not in Synaptic list. xubuntu is not allowing me to add repositories
[17:17] <rushfan> Hello. Is anyone here using Broadcom STA wireless drivers? I have unencrypted wireless working fine but can't connect to WPA networks
[17:18] <neozen> rushfan: have you scoped out the ubuntu forums?
[17:19] <neozen> rushfan: quite a bit of what you see there pertains to xubuntu as well
[17:21] <rushfan> ok
[17:21] <rushfan> Thanks. There are the same code-base, right?
[17:21] <neozen> in the case of everything BELOW the desktop environment and default application choices yes
[17:22] <neozen> ie... versions of X should be the same
[17:22] <neozen> neozen: kernels are the same
[17:22] <rushfan> which is whats most important
[17:22] <neozen> rushfan: yep
[17:23] <neozen> rushfan: though in the gui, I believe both still use the gnome network manager interface
[17:23] <neozen> rushfan: (system tray applet)
[17:23] <neozen> rushfan: so if something doesn't work in the networking gui for one, chances are it won't work in the other either...
[17:24] <neozen> rushfan: all that is afaik
[17:29] <neozen> rushfan: any other questions?
[17:31] <rushfan> neozen: nope thanks
[17:31] <rushfan> I might just go back to ndiswrapper.
[17:31] <rushfan> Wireless worked with that and it didnt lock my computer up constantly like some peoples
[17:32] <Schenker80> hello
[17:32] <neozen> Schenker80: greetings
[17:33] <neozen> Schenker80: salutations
[17:33] <neozen> Schenker80: and moo
[18:25] <darin> hello, I'm looking for xubuntu alternate install help
[18:26] <knome> ok...
[18:26] <darin> I'm installing xubuntu 8.10 alternate using the HD-MEDIA method on an old Dell Inspiron 5000.
[18:27] <darin> The install goes well until paritioning
[18:27] <cody-somerville> darin, how much ram do you have?
[18:27] <darin> 128 MB
[18:28] <darin> when I get to the partition disks step, the partitioner doesn't see the 3 existing partitions I've already created.  It acts like it doesn't see the hard disk at all.
[18:31] <darin> am I in the wrong place for install help?
[18:34] <cody-somerville> You need 192mb of ram
[18:34] <amleto> hi all
[18:35] <darin> ok thanks
[19:08] <doktoreas_> hello everybody
[19:09] <doktoreas_> is it possibile to install xubuntu using floppy drive and internet?
[19:10] <neozen> hi there
[19:10] <neozen> not to my knowledge
[19:10] <knome> !floppy
[19:10] <neozen> doktoreas_: there are net-based installs though
[19:11] <neozen> doktoreas_: is there an os on the machine currently?
[19:12] <neozen> doktoreas_: (assuming your definition of os includes some version of windows)
[19:12] <neozen> !unetbootin
[19:13] <neozen> ...yet another thing they should stick in ubottu
[19:19] <b4|hraban> :} unetbootin == schweer
[19:19] <b4|hraban> *schweet
[19:21] <neozen> b4|hraban: indeed
[19:21] <b4|hraban> it's the first and only thing that really makes it work
[19:21] <b4|hraban> everywhere, all those linux distros and even freebsd
[19:21]  * neozen nods
[19:26] <b4|hraban> alright, well, now that I am here, might as well ask my question about installing xubuntu again...
[19:26] <b4|hraban> seems #ubuntu is too busy
[19:27] <b4|hraban> I used unetbootin to load the 8.10 netinstaller on a usb disk
[19:28] <b4|hraban> booted a small (eee-like) laptop with it. during installation the disk was formatted thus: one partition, 4GB, /, ext3
[19:28] <b4|hraban> (that one disk that I booted the installer from)
[19:28] <b4|hraban> but after restart it doesn't boot from it. :/
[19:46] <neozen> ...back
[19:46] <neozen> b4|hraban: dratted windows mobile phone connection died
[19:47] <neozen> b4|hraban: so... where was I ;)
[19:47] <neozen> b4|hraban: oh yeah, your eee-ish won't boot from your installed xubuntu
[19:47] <neozen> b4|hraban: sound right?
[19:53] <b4|hraban> neozen, yup
[19:53] <b4|hraban> neozen, it will boot just fine from that exact same usb key when I use unetbootin to prepare it
[19:53] <b4|hraban> but after the installation: no can do
[19:54] <neozen> straaange
[19:54] <neozen> b4|hraban: did the bootloader install properly?
[19:54] <neozen> b4|hraban: to the eee-ish that is
[19:54] <b4|hraban> no errors
[19:55] <b4|hraban> and I see a /boot/grub dir
[19:56] <neozen> b4|hraban: and does grub give you any grief when you try and boot using it?
[19:56] <b4|hraban> the BIOS does not recognize the disk at all
[19:56] <b4|hraban> so I do not even get to grub
[19:56] <neozen> b4|hraban: wooow
[19:56] <neozen> b4|hraban: sounds less then optimal
[19:57] <b4|hraban> odd, huh
[19:57] <RanydboY> Mh, tried to install xubuntu from cd. In the middle of installation it stops... Probably corrupt cd or something. But it was enough to "#¤%&#"¤ up grub... I had Windows and ubuntu installed on dual-boot. How can i fix this? Im now in live-cd session...
[19:57] <neozen> b4|hraban: when you say doesn't recognize
[19:57] <b4|hraban> fdisk /dev/sdb on this machine shows that it is bootable, that partition
[19:57] <neozen> b4|hraban: do you mean as a boot device?
[19:57] <b4|hraban> neozen, I mean as a boot device, yes
[19:57] <neozen> RanydboY: I gotcha
[19:57] <neozen> b4|hraban: make sure to format the root partition as bootable?
[19:58] <neozen> RanydboY: 1 sec ... will have instructions
[19:58]  * neozen digs around in his irc logs
[19:58] <b4|hraban> neozen, hmm well I don't know what more to do than fdisk /dev/sdb ; a ; w
[19:58] <RanydboY> neozen: great :)
[19:59] <neozen> RanydboY: this is a best guess and has worked for me in the past
[19:59] <neozen> RanydboY: sudo grub
[20:00] <neozen> RanydboY: at grub boot prompt (looks like "grub>"):
[20:00] <RanydboY> yeah
[20:00] <RanydboY> been there
[20:01] <RanydboY> neozen: then?
[20:01] <neozen> RanydboY: find /boot/grub/stage1
[20:02] <neozen> RanydboY: what does it spit out?
[20:03] <RanydboY> Error 15: File not found
[20:03] <neozen> RanydboY: ...great
[20:03] <RanydboY> doh
[20:03] <neozen> RanydboY: nope... don't have steps for that
[20:03] <neozen> RanydboY: think your grub's nice and boned
[20:04] <neozen> RanydboY: why its a good idea to back up your menu.lst
[20:04] <neozen> RanydboY: here's where I stay snookered
[20:05] <neozen> RanydboY: take a look @ super grub disk
[20:05] <neozen> RanydboY: might get you a grub setup that at least lets you boot SOME of your OSs
[20:05] <neozen> RanydboY: read all the docs sorrounding it
[20:06] <neozen> RanydboY: would you like a link?
[20:07] <RanydboY> yes please
[20:08] <RanydboY> ill try anything
[22:06] <Max_> hi
[22:07] <Max_> kennst sich jemand mit xpde aus?
[22:08] <knome> english please
[22:09] <Max_> k
[22:10] <Max_> does anybody has a bit knowledge over xpde??
[22:10] <knome> !xpde
[22:10] <Max_> http://www.xpde.com/ here a link...
[22:11] <knome> Max_, haven't tried it.
[22:12] <Max_> k
[22:12] <knome> Max_, check out this http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/xpde
[22:12] <Max_> i am a xubuntu newbie, so i do not anything..
[22:12] <knome> "My advice, though: if you really want a fake XP environment, consider using the Smooth XP theme for Gnome."
[22:13] <knome> Max_, is there any particular reason you would like to use xpde?
[22:14] <Max_> yes, because it is easier for other user of the laptop to use xpde, cause they are used to work with windows ...
[22:15] <knome> a WM can't really emulate a complete OS.
[22:15] <knome> what are the people using the laptop for? web browsing?
[22:16] <knome> and what comes to using xpde, it's far from stable from what i read
[22:16] <Max_> mostly but also the open office paket and a few other programs
[22:17] <knome> well you can't make openoffice be microsoft office
[22:17] <knome> and running apps from the menu isn't any harder than in windows
[22:26] <Max___> so, by the way is there a chance to get full admin rights as soon as the computer starts?
[22:27] <knome> Max_, why would you want to do that?
[22:28] <Max___> cause my freedom of action is larger, or not?
[22:29] <dcolish> Max___: it doesnt sound like you need more freedom on your system
[22:29] <dcolish> besides there is always sudo
[22:30] <knome> Max_, well eh, from my point of view, having admin rights in windows to install programs/"have freedom" is the worst thing. i wouldn't want that in ubuntu
[22:30] <neozen> !sudo
[22:31] <knome> giving admin/root priviledges to people who just "use" the computer means usually that they will at some point do something that they don't know what it is, and that can break the system
[22:31] <knome> if they had at least sudo and have to type their passwords to do that thing, they get one more moment to think about what they're doing
[22:32] <TheSheep> knome: it's more about running only chosen progerams as root, not all of them
[22:32] <knome> TheSheep, yes.
[22:33] <knome> TheSheep, but if there is a newbie user, (s)he might have to think about things again if (s)he needs to use sudo or give his/her password.
[22:34] <TheSheep> knome: you really believe that? :)
[22:35] <neozen> TheSheep: depends on the user
[22:35] <knome> TheSheep, a bit. that have saved me a few times from total catastrophe.
[22:35] <TheSheep> knome: because I can bet that (s)he will only think about what is this thing and how to get past it
[22:35] <knome> TheSheep, depends on how you have teached him/hre
[22:35] <neozen> TheSheep: ahh... the same thing people think when they see the cancel /continue in vista
[22:36] <knome> TheSheep, if you've said that (s)he should always call you if (s)he's in doubt when seeing a password prompt, (s)he might be on on a way to thinking him/herself
[22:36] <TheSheep> knome: no, there is this thing called habituation that renders all confiramtion dialogs useless. Users *are* sure that they want to do that, at least at the moment they try to do that -- they might be less sure 2 minutes later...
[22:36] <knome> :P
[22:37] <knome> TheSheep, then advise them to wait 5 mins before proceeding if not sure?
[22:37] <TheSheep> knome: I've seen users closing warning windows reflexively and *swearing* there was no confirmation window at all
[22:37] <TheSheep> knome: and I believe them they didn't see it
[22:37] <knome> TheSheep, sure, but you live in poland
[22:37] <neozen> LOL
[22:38] <TheSheep> that's an argument that ends the discussion, really :)
[22:38] <knome> yes.
[22:38] <TheSheep> it was ot anyways, sorry
[22:38] <knome> i agree people do that
[22:38] <neozen> knome: I've noticed the same behavior myself when I'm in vista on a client site
[22:38] <knome> but somebody might just start thinking theirselves
[22:39] <knome> neozen, sure, but vista asks for many more things than ubuntu
[22:39] <TheSheep> it has nothing to do with thinking, that's how we are wired inside
[22:39] <neozen> knome: yeah... that's b/c EVERYTHING in vista needs root
[22:39] <neozen> knome: including running the damn IDE (visual studio)
[22:40] <neozen> if I had to sudo eclipse to get it to work..... I'd chuck the damn thing out the window
[22:40] <TheSheep> defenestration :)
[22:40] <TheSheep> the word of the day
[22:40] <neozen> TheSheep: d*mn right
[22:47] <Max___> do you have some other useful tipps for xubuntu newbies?
[22:47] <knome> Max___, use synaptic. :)
[22:52] <Max___> "Now, as a normal user, execute the setup.sh script, this script will copy the default desktop settings to your ~/.xpde directory and also will copy xinitrcDEFAULT file to your HOME dir<until here I understood>, this file contain the lines you must add to your system to load XPde. In most cases you just need to rename this file to .xinitrc
[22:52] <Max___> /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc" but where in the system do I have to add the lines?
[22:56] <neozen> Max___: do as much work as possible in linux to get used to the interface
[22:56] <neozen> Max___: I got proficient with xubuntu by doing all homework / projects in xubuntu for my last two years of uni
[22:57] <neozen> Max___: use it every day... every day trying to do something new
[22:58] <neozen> Max___: that enough to get you started?
[22:59] <Max___> we´ll see..
[22:59] <knome> Max___, you're always welcome to ask here
[23:00] <Max___> thx
[23:00] <Max___> does xubuntu have a search engine?
[23:00] <knome> for what? files?
[23:00] <Max___> yes
[23:01] <knome> "search for files..." under "accessories" ?
[23:06] <Max___> so why do i get always a window with "settings for orage" when i´ve restarted?
[23:06] <knome> Max___, you have saved the session with that window open
[23:07] <Max___> hmmm..? but i closed it
[23:07] <knome> (i have to make a howto out of this):
[23:08] <knome> Max___, close any applications you don't want to be opened when you log in.
[23:08] <knome> Max___, log out and check the box "save session for future logins"
[23:08] <knome> Max___, log back in.
[23:08] <knome> Max___, the next time you log out, uncheck the box.
[23:09] <Max___> ahhhhhhhhh, thank you
[23:09] <knome> !session
[23:09] <knome> !sessions
[23:12] <ShinSR71> hey, i recently changed my screen resolution and after i rebooted it was out of sync etc, and since i cant read anything on screen, i cant change it back. I would try it via text modus, but i have no idea how to get in there or what to do. Anyone able to assist me with this?
[23:13] <knome> !resolution
[23:13] <Max___> back to the search engine:I do not have"accessoires" but under "places" i found it
[23:13] <knome> ok.
[23:14] <ShinSR71> thank you, but how would i go and run that command? when i boot the machine it goes into graphical modus automatically, and i cant do anything in there because i cant see stuff
[23:15] <knome> ShinSR71, ctrl+alt+f1 to go to tty1, ctrl+alt+f7 to get back to GUI
[23:15] <ShinSR71> thank you
[23:15] <ronnil> how can i see the version of a specific package installed on my system?
[23:15] <knome> !version | ronnil
[23:16] <ronnil> thnx
[23:17] <sp3nk1> is there anyone speaks italian, please?
[23:17] <knome> sp3nk1, #ubuntu-it
[23:18] <sp3nk1> is for xubuntu too?
[23:18] <knome> well, ubuntu and xubuntu has much in common.
[23:21] <sp3nk1> ok thanks i'll try
[23:22] <knome> hello vidd
[23:22] <vidd> what up
[23:23] <knome> nothing special down
[23:23]  * vidd need to find out what app controls the volume
[23:27] <knome> vidd, xfce4-mixer?
[23:27] <vidd> yep...thats what im looking for
[23:29] <vidd> hrm...i need one that dont depend on xfce panel
[23:29] <knome> lol
[23:29] <knome> alsamixer
[23:31]  * vidd is getting no audio in firefox
[23:40] <vidd> next question....what app controls screen resolution>?
[23:43] <knome> lol
[23:44] <knome> xfce-setting-show display