[00:11] Riddell: Error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/krita-data-kde4_1%3a1.9.98.2-0ubuntu3~intrepid2_all.deb : trying to overwrite `/usr/share/kde4/services/kritarulerassistanttool.desktop', which is also in package krita-kde4. [00:20] jtechidna: humph [00:20] jtechidna: what version of krita-kde4 did you have? [00:30] Riddell: 1:1.9.98.1-0ubuntu2 [00:58] yo [01:35] jesus, that stupid "No longer a KDE fan" blog post is hitting every major news outlet [01:37] and doesn't allow comments. [01:38] any interesting comments on it, from people? [01:40] i only /msg'd that because i don't want to get kicked out of ubuntu [01:41] :P [01:41] seems a very cowardly thing to do, though. [01:41] to write such a post, then forbid comments. [01:41] aye [01:41] but then again, he was a bit off to begin with [01:41] Hobbsee: ya, I noticed the same thing as well [01:42] makes me wish he wasn't a kubuntu member, behaving like that. [01:43] Hobbsee: actually, I second that, and think he should be removed, since he pretty much admitted he isn't going to help out anymore [01:43] +1 on removal :) [01:43] ha [01:44] I want to be an Ubuntu rockstar :( [01:44] yeah, f'n bored is a rockstar though :) [01:44] nixternal: now, that probably should have been proposed *before* the meeting :P [01:45] * Hobbsee also thinks he's trying to damage the project, writing rubbish like that. [01:45] ditto [01:45] hmm [01:46] Let's hope the Kubuntu dev team has the sense to fork KDE 3.5.10 and base their once awesome distro on that instead of staying with KDE4.x. [01:46] " [01:46] erm, we passed that exit a long time ago === naee is now known as eean [01:49] vorian: not necessarily. [01:49] vorian: I think there is already a kde3 fork, which was being discussed here earlier. [01:50] nooo [01:50] vorian: the real test will be things like security updates. [01:50] * vorian cries [01:50] well, if they throw it into a ppa, and they support it instead, there's no great problem. [01:50] i thought the talk was of a 3rd party repo using a epoch of 7 [01:51] ultimately, while people like it, people are likely to find more security problems with it, and other bugs (as seems to happen with all the major software projects) [01:51] and how that was not good etc... [01:51] yup [01:51] which upstream won't be committed to fix, after they end support for it. [01:51] yeah - but third party repo people came in here last night, and had discussions about how to make their stuff more sane [01:52] i see [01:52] i miss all the fun [01:52] I should quit my job [01:52] :) [01:52] run an irc proxy, and read it later? [01:52] that's the real solution. [01:52] haha [01:52] that's what i do [01:52] i'm australian. i have to. [01:52] most things happen while i'm asleep, y'know. [01:52] yep [01:52] the 3rd party repo dood was quite cooperative [01:53] hopefully proper packages will be hosted in a PPA soon [01:53] i'm on 24/7 actually, just don't always get a chance to catch up [01:53] ahh [01:53] like ol jonnyboy here is heading up the beta packaging [01:54] might have to wait until tommorow unles tarballs get here soon [01:54] i'm in a bajillion channels too, that never helps [01:54] well, you guys can go and package but I won't be able to do review & sent to aplg until tomorrow [01:54] huh? [01:55] if the tarballs don't appear in ktown in a few hours I won't be able to do package review until tomorrow [01:55] hmmm [02:03] so what did the 3rd party guys say? [02:05] it's one guy [02:05] Hobbsee: what anti-kde blog post? [02:05] Riddell: arounds? [02:05] seele: he posted it in here a few days ago. http://ardchoille.nfshost.com/Blog/20081116 [02:05] vorian: basically he wanted to know how to make them better. he has taken the repo offline temporarily and we outlined how to make his packages better [02:07] jtechidna: cool [02:07] Hobbsee: is that someone who matters? some of what he talks about isn't even accurate [02:07] who is it? [02:07] or he, rather [02:07] * jtechidna forgets his nick [02:07] seele: used to be a contributor here. ardchoille [02:07] it was a very randomy nick [02:07] did a fair bit fo #kubuntu support, too [02:08] you mentioned ubuntuforums, do youhave alinky? [02:08] oh well [02:08] not sure if he's still around, as such [02:08] spa ceb ar please [02:08] yup, he's in #ubuntu [02:08] seele: it's been posted to kubuntu-users@ too [02:09] so people are seeing/believing it [02:09] I would respond, but I make it a policy to ignore that list now [02:10] * Hobbsee wonders if that makes k-u better or wrose than u-d-d as a result. [02:12] isnt k-u going to die soon? [02:12] i wish. but where's the evidence for that? [02:13] That must be "The fall of KDE?" thread? [02:14] yeah [02:15] i recall having a thought a while ago,a botu completely filtering that list, or at least, mostl yfiltering it, and getting it back to a productive state. [02:15] i suspect by now, we actually need to do that :( [02:17] I particularly liked "... the developers who wrote the application should know their code, and if they know their code then they know where all the bugs are. If they don't know where all of the bugs are then they have no business writing software for the public." [02:17] yeah, that was my favorite too. [02:17] I guess other projects only release bug free code. [02:17] I squirted OJ out my nose when I read that [02:17] must be. unless there are no real developers. [02:18] What if all this time many of us thought we were developers, but we weren't because we didn't know where all the bugs were? [02:18] ScottK: i thought that was *particularly* priceless. [02:18] Hobbsee: it was a topic in our last kubuntu meeting [02:19] seele: oh, i must have missed it in the meeting minutes. My bad :) [02:19] Fortunately I think a lot of people read this bit and will conclude "Author is an idiot - this post may be safely ignored." [02:19] ScottK: if developers know where all the "bugs" are, can they really be called bugs? [02:20] "works as coded" [02:20] ScottK: I think those who will agree with him aare a lost cause anyway [02:20] seele: Sure. If the code is the design. [02:20] then they really are features. [02:20] Formally one is supposed to have a documented design and it's only a bug if it doesn't work as designed. [02:21] In projects where the code is the design documentation (they do exist), then it's essentially impossible to have a bug, just a design deficiency. [02:22] bugs are then, by definition, unknown behaviors [02:22] maybe unexpected would be a better word [02:22] Yeah. [02:22] what I don't understand is why these people think they have no choice. [02:22] * vorian is a bug [02:23] 8.04 exists, and si supported for another year, by my calculations. [02:23] * ScottK swats vorian. [02:23] * vorian dies [02:23] Hobbsee: But it's not the latest release and everyone kewl runs the latest release. [02:23] Except the KDE part, of course. [02:23] ScottK: yeah yeah... [02:24] Hobbsee: I think it's more about being let down personally. They have something they really do care deeply about, and they fear it's headed in the wrong direction, and because they aren't developers they don't know what else to do but bitch. [02:24] We even warned them. [02:24] LeeJunFan: that's true. [02:24] LeeJunFan: yet they don't get involved in kde development, or even go directly to kde over it. [02:24] I go straight to KDE development with it! [02:25] ant html [02:25] err, wrong winder [02:25] I liked the "it's not my duty to report bugs" [02:25] True. I do have to admit calling something a .0 release when it's missing many things that would 'complete' it is misleading. And their viewpoint is why would kubuntu give us something unfinished, etc.. [02:25] and they are probably the same who clicked the "Do not send" reports to Microsoft as well [02:26] jtechidna: yes. "its only my responsibility to bitch on blogs" [02:26] LeeJunFan: There was a lot of discussion about what 4.0 was meant to be before it was released. There's a reason I never ran it. [02:27] I think a lot of it too is that people don't read enough. They see kubuntu 8.10 on digg and it's download and install time w/o even going to kubuntu.com or reading about the state of kde4. [02:27] ScottK: exactly. [02:27] I have run it since 3.93 :) [02:27] eww it was horrid then...still had kicker [02:28] nixternal: 4.1 was a stretch.. i coudlnt run it until 4.1.1 [02:28] But then that's the misleading part on kde's part by giving a .0 which usually means to most people it's mostly complete but probably buggy. Certainly 4.1.2 should be complete. And if kubuntu is putting it on by default it MUST be ready. [02:28] LeeJunFan: I think we were pretty clear in the release announcment about that too. [02:28] to me, 4.1.2 was better in Hardy than it was in Intrepid, but I wouldn't doubt that apachelogger did some of his magic foo to it [02:28] did any distribution even ship 4.0? kubuntu had packages and the remix, but Intrepid is our first release [02:29] what did mandriva ship? [02:29] wow, and people complain too that the kde4 hardy support isn't being continued. [02:29] seele: I think Fedora did. [02:29] my dual monitor support kicked arse big time, and I had a spinning cube [02:29] hmm [02:29] ScottK: highly modified though? 4.0 was half 3.5.8 anyway [02:29] ScottK: I don't disagree that kubuntu was forthcoming, but most people skip learning and go right to jumping in the water. Then are surprised by the number of sharks lurking below. [02:30] LeeJunFan: My sympathy for people who willfully blindfold themselves and then complain they are ignorant is limited. [02:30] seele: Dunno. [02:30] LeeJunFan: that's the risk of open source and why people who need stable systems should find a trusted vendor and not download everything linked on the internet [02:31] even in 3.5, KDE had a mindful target of early adopters [02:31] ScottK: there are people who whinge because the release notes aren't obvious enough for ubuntu, too. go figure. [02:31] seele: well, kubuntu IS their trusted vendor. [02:31] Hobbsee: [02:31] LeeJunFan: then they ought to go to the website and read the release notes.. not click the iso link on Digg [02:32] Hobbsee: I do think we could do a better job of writing the bad news part of the release notes. [02:32] ScottK: that's true. [02:32] LeeJunFan: Intrepid is the first KDE4 release. The Remix CD came with plenty of caveats [02:32] ScottK: (i thought you knew about them too) [02:32] ScottK, care to sponsor an upload? (kdelibs) [02:33] those people who dont want kde4 shouldnt have installed intrepid [02:33] Clearly. [02:33] and if they can't get over it, then they can either run 3.5.10 for the next two years or use gnome [02:33] seele: but...ZOMGUPDATESMUSTHAVEOMGNOW!!!!!ELEVENTYONE!!!!! [02:33] NCommander: Would you mail me the debdiff or the bug link? [02:33] I need to wait for it to finish test building first on amd64 [02:34] seele: I realize that, I'm just being open and seeing it from both sides. I read, I run both stable and devel versions to keep tabs on things and submit bug reports. I'm just saying joe blow sees a .0 or .1 release and they think, "Woohoo! must be ready!", then they see that kubuntu adopted is as the default, well then it must be ready. [02:34] kubuntu balances itself between community and kde. it supported the community for an extra release by giving it 3.5.9 for Hardy, but not it's time to go back to being a "KDE" distribution and ship what KDE is developing [02:34] if people don't like what KDE has become then maybe KDE isn't for them [02:34] So then they download with assumptions based on their past where kubuntu did release with the most robust/stable, and pretty much all other software with .1 release is finished, and they are in shock. [02:35] s/not/now [02:35] Kubuntu is only as stable as Ubuntu-base + KDE [02:35] unless networkmanager + bluetooth get broken^ [02:35] :P [02:35] seele: I agree with that fact. Like I said - I'm just explaining why people are angry. I'm here and running kde4 :) [02:35] LeeJunFan: to be fair, a lot of the problems in intrepid had to do with translations which werent KDE's fault [02:35] and I have been for a long time now. [02:36] and all the Plasma complaints (that i heard) were again, Kubuntu trying to balance the good of the community with KDE. We *temporarily* disabled some stuff in plasma because it wasn't quite ready. [02:36] seele: I know the most annoying parts of kde4 for me are features and programs that were available with 3 and aren't in 4. [02:36] yeah :-/ [02:37] seele: i think that's an important point - kubuntu *is* a "KDE" distribution, to ship what KDE is developing. it's not a "users" distribution, as some people on the list seem to think. [02:37] ie, quanta that works with fish://, dolphin or konqueror that does video thumbnails, ability to configure a lot of printer options is missing, etc. [02:37] if it was a users distribution, we'd need a hell of a lot more manpower with people who knew the codebase, so they could fix bugs relating to whatever users wanted at a given time. [02:38] Hobbsee: if it were a users' distribution, it would end up a fork like that pidgin crap that happened a while ago [02:38] LeeJunFan: But don't we still have the KDE3 Quanta in Intrepid? [02:39] ScottK: yes, but the kioslaves for kde3 libs are missing. So remote protocols don't work. [02:39] LeeJunFan: yeah.. printing was an unfortunately casulty of intrepid. at least it sortof works instead of not even existing [02:39] LeeJunFan: RIght. Make sense. [02:39] seele: exactly. [02:40] seele: that part probably could be publicised a bit more - what kubuntu is intended to be, and what it will automatically ship. [02:40] it probably gets overshadowed by ubuntu who (imho) coddles its users [02:40] Thing is, while it sucks listening to all the complaining, know this - curiosity will get these people back later. And I think kde 4.2 is going to address 90% of the issues. [02:41] ubuntu has a huge user community which gives them a loud voice [02:41] So by next release - they'll probably all be happy again. [02:41] Then those same people will be like, "Oooh, how did I ever live w/o lancelot?" [02:41] hehe [02:42] seele: that's true - but they still make some unpopular decisiosn (no ekiga 3.0, for eg) [02:42] no OO.o [02:43] whoa, they didnt ship OO.o? [02:43] not 3.0 [02:43] seele: not 3.0 [02:43] why not? [02:43] i thought 3.0 was supposed to be good [02:43] seele: Look at when it was released. [02:43] it released like 3 days after freeze I think. [02:43] aah [02:44] Actually I think it was after RC. [02:44] it was very late [02:44] i think it was just after RC, yes [02:45] At least it's easy to get installed. [02:45] Is there a reason kdebase is still on 4.1.2 and not updated to the 4.2 snapshot? [02:45] jtechidna: ^^ [02:45] I was wondering that too. [02:45] Riddell updated a few to 4.1.73 but I don't think he got to all of them [02:46] Well having half 4.1 and half 4.2 kinda sucks for the Alpha 1 freeze. Anyone working on it? [02:47] we need the source packages [02:47] ScottK: when is freeze? [02:47] jtechidna: yesterday :S [02:47] Now [02:47] :x [02:47] we were going to start packaging beta1 tomorrow [02:47] It's a soft freeze, so stuff can still be uploaded. [02:48] Riddell has alpha1 + 1 week's worth of dev currently [02:48] Right, but we can't upload the beta until after the Alpha. [02:48] dang [02:48] jtechidna: I'm assuming we have the beta tarballs in advance as usual. [02:49] *will* have [02:49] ScottK: tagging was today. I'm not sure that we have tarballs yet since I don't have ktown access [02:49] not yet [02:49] * vorian shuts up [02:50] jtechidna: Right, so if it's tagged today, I'm pretty sure it doesn't get released until after Thursday. [02:50] right, we will get tarballs before release [02:50] So that means not for the Alpha. [02:50] http://tinyurl.com/6b95gb ScottK === jtechidna is now known as JontheEchidna [02:51] alpha? there is no alpha [02:51] tars for beta are up [02:51] w00t [02:51] So we either need to finish the snapshot or tell Slanagasek that Kubuntu is sitting Alpha 1 out. [02:51] Riddell: Jaunty Alpha 1? [02:51] oh, right, dunno about that [02:52] Riddell: Well that's supposed to be Thursday and we're currently part 4.1 and part 4.2 in Jaunty. Doesn't do so well for installability. [02:53] installability should be fine [02:54] Riddell: Not according to the archive 'Problems' page. [02:54] meh, what does it know [02:55] Usually a fair amount. [03:31] NCommander: Did you decide not to have me upload your fix? [03:31] ScottK, hit a snag, and working on it still [03:31] NCommander: OK. [03:31] I'm just waiting for the final rebuild to finish [03:43] ScottK, I can't get a clean debdiff [03:43] * NCommander remembers we had this issue before with kdelibs [04:03] Is there some replacement for kpilot in 8.10 ? [04:49] ugh.. throat is sore [04:49] one drawback of working from home is that i never talk [04:52] Yep. [04:53] Although I generally find that more of a feature than a bug. [05:00] when your voice cracks in the middle of a presentation because you never use it.. i would call that a bug ;) [05:03] a bug flew in your mouth while giving a presentation? ;) [05:14] Yeah. I guess. [05:16] anyone have any idea what I have done wrong here ... http://paste.ubuntu.com/74642/ [05:20] rgreening: Stayed up to late and missed your beauty sleep? [05:21] yep. trying to make a gui for ufw... mostly to learn Python and pyKDE4... [05:21] You know there is one already, right? [05:21] anyway, thew gui loads and when I click the X to close it, it crashes or gives a glibc double linked error [05:21] ScottK: yeah, gtk based [05:22] gufw and has a shitload of gnome deps [05:22] Ah. Right. Good point. [05:22] I've no idea on your actual problem. [05:22] the goal is to have a pyKDe ver, and eventually make a kcm module for it... [05:23] if I can learn this and get past this stupid friking crash [05:23] Wish I could help. [05:24] _Sime: you around? [05:26] ScottK: got it... [05:26] Kewl. [05:26] stupid me used a QMainWindow instead of KMainWindow [05:26] haha [05:26] whee [05:27] stupid mixing of KDE and Qt classes [05:27] lol [06:33] ScottK, if you want to upload kdelibs, I put it in my PPA, I can't generate a clean debdiff since autoconf decides it wants to constantly rebuild itself during clean [07:45] quit [09:27] hello devels, sorry to disturb you. i just want to ask whether anyone is currently looking into the borked qt4 phonon. qmake for example generates invalid makefiles when phonon is requested. [11:11] slougi: we don't use qt4 phonon [11:29] How is the kde upgrade going in jaunty? [11:29] * hunger is stuck halfway through:-| === jussio1 is now known as jussi01 [11:50] kdebase isn't done yet imo [12:00] thx for the kofficeb3 packages in backports :) [12:18] Riddell: qmake generating invalid makefiles is ok then? :) === jtechidna is now known as JontheEchidna [13:41] I think we're about done for KDE/Qt merges in main [13:41] other than some of the big modules which will get done as beta 1 [13:42] ScottK: although someone called "Donald Scott Kitterman" has a few with his name by them :) [13:42] Do I? [13:42] Last I looked I didn't. I'll have a look. [13:42] http://hall-of-fame.ubuntu.com/ [13:42] as uploader only in some cases [13:43] Riddell: I figured that unless we got in extremis those weren't my problem yet. [13:43] JontheEchidna: you're famous! [13:44] ^_^ [13:44] Riddell: I didn't see any KDE/Qt ones there. [13:44] kdebase is #7 in the upstream bug rockstars list [13:45] JontheEchidna: I do find it odd to call each source package a project though. [13:45] ScottK: right we're good for them, just e-mail ones and whatever pyenchant is [13:45] yeah, apparently this is a new page so I guess it has some kinks [13:45] Riddell: pyenchant is blocked on seb128 doing enchant. [13:45] The spamassassin one just popped up. [13:46] * ScottK glares at NCommander to get busy on fetchmail. [13:47] I wonder if we should remove kiosktool [13:48] Now that I've looked, the spamassassin one is just Debian grabbed my RBL update patch and uploaded it. [13:48] Makes the merge easy. [13:49] ScottK: a sync? [13:51] Riddell: No. There's one other small change they decline to pick up. I leave an alternate dependency in there on something (I can't recall which and I haven't checked yet) for easy backporting that the Debian guy won't do. [14:49] ok subscribed myself to jaunty specs for uds [14:58] Is powerdevil not in KDE 4.2 yet (or is it not in kdebase)? [15:04] kdeutils I expect [15:05] Actually it looks like -workspace. [15:05] At least according to the 4.2 feature plan. [15:07] Which isn't going to build until kde4bindings does, I guess. [15:09] Which might actually work now. [15:11] ScottK: "nepomukqueryclient" no idea where that is [15:11] Riddell: powerdevil is in the kdebase-workspace tarball, but we don't build it (not in debian/control). [15:12] * ScottK has seen that before. [15:12] * ScottK thinks. [15:12] * ScottK gets more coffee. [15:12] mmm coffee [15:12] can you ever have too much? [15:12] nepomukqueryclient is in kdebase-workspace-libs4+5 [15:12] jjesse: I need to introduce you to Irn Bru [15:13] jjesse: dont do it unless you like the idea of heart burn! [15:14] hmm, kdebase-workspace needs pykde and kdebindings needs kdebase-workspace [15:14] jjesse: You can. http://www.emedicine.com/emerg/TOPIC949.HTM [15:14] Riddell: you shouldn't make it a habit of consuming something of a color not found in nature ;P [15:15] Riddell: kde4bindings built at least on lpia somehow. [15:15] I take that back. [15:15] seele: iron is very natural and an essential part of the body [15:16] ScottK: I think kdebase-workspace just needs python not pykde [15:16] what's irn bru [15:16] is that a scottish coffee? [15:16] something like that :) [15:16] can i find it in the states? [15:17] no, it's banned [15:17] Well it still build-dep on python-kde4. [15:17] wow, don't know if i want it then [15:17] Riddell: I'll have a look. [15:17] ScottK: let me fix that [15:17] * jjesse heads over to google [15:17] Riddell: OK [15:17] Riddell: Care to add building powerdevil while you're at it? [15:18] according to wikipedia it contains a carcinogenic [15:18] sounds yummy [15:19] ScottK: powerdevil is already in kdebase-workspace-bin (where debian has it) [15:20] Oh. [15:21] Riddell: So I guess power management isn't just for laptops any more. [15:21] Riddell: P4R coloring is carcinogenic :P [15:22] * seele has doubts about Yellow 6 too [15:22] Yellow 6 is legal though (I think) [15:23] i think so too.. it just causes hyperactivity and allergic reaction. nothing so serious as CANCER [15:24] so that's why I'm always so hyperactive [15:25] at least it's not hives [15:28] anyone know where pbuilder puts it build logs during the build? [15:32] ah, in /var/cache/pbuilder/result, sensible [15:32] and it doesn't work with just python [15:33] _Sime: is there a circular dependency between kdebindings and kdebase-workspace? [15:36] seele: I've also seen that in Yellow 5. [15:36] Riddell: No where unless you tell it to and then where you say (IIRC). [15:37] Riddell: In that case (powerdevil in workspace-bin) we'll need to conflice/replace on powerdevil since we have it in Intrepid. [15:44] done [15:44] pbuilding again, without python-plasma [16:27] Riddell: it that the 4.1.3 or the 4.1.80? [16:27] rgreening: 4.1.73 [16:27] Riddell: no need for python-plasma... and libplasma moved to kdelibs5 [16:28] Riddell: so dep issue should be gone [16:28] kdebase-workspace still seems to have the plasma python stuff [16:29] Riddell:perhaps my question in kubuntu is more approriate here [16:29] Riddell: yes, thats correct. The script engines live in workspace. However, libplasma moved to kdelibs [16:29] Riddell: and that was the original source of the circular dep. kdebindings and workspace dep'd on each other and now should not. [16:31] loicmarteau: Already answered in #kubuntu [16:31] rgreening: I think it's a different issue, workspace still needs pykde and kde4bindings now needs libnepomukclient (from kdebase-workspace-libs4+5 [16:32] oh... ok [16:34] Will strigi be on by defalt in 4.2 ? === ariel_ is now known as TekkieFreak [16:36] havn't thought about it [16:36] depends how well it works for one thing [16:37] I'm yet to test the krunner [16:37] and how much resources it takes up for another [16:37] Hey everyone... [16:37] what's up? [16:40] TekkieFreak: jaunty merges [16:41] Ah...sounds good. [16:43] Riddell: the same for the whole kde :p ? [16:45] In fact my use case is not exactly only related to kubuntu i think [16:45] i would like to have some script that install all the needed stuff with the mnimum of job to do [16:46] i use kde from trunk [16:46] * Riddell refers the honourable gentleman to the answers given some moments ago [16:46] there are scripts to build from trunk, kdesvn or whatever its called [16:47] Riddel: yes jonhatan i read it on kubuntu thanks for your answer [16:47] yep i used to use it at start [16:47] now i use it only for qt-copy [16:48] i use some script i have put in my .bashrc to : cmakekde works is really cool [16:48] -to +too [16:49] as an example i have some problems with package who depends on qt [16:49] qca, pyqt, etc [16:50] kdebase's tarball is already uploaded? [16:50] perhaps we can do better ?! [16:51] oh, and btw, what is 4.1.73? the changelog says "alpha snapshot" but "beta1" of 4.2 is supposed to be released? [16:52] beta1 is 4.1.80 [16:52] we will commence packaging shortly [16:52] oh [16:52] better not upgrade then [16:53] ^ this is related to kde itself not kubuntu of course [16:57] about dependencies (kdesvn doesnt deal with dependencies) perhaps we can create a package in come launchpad directories that do the job install dev-libraires without installing any kde packages directly [16:57] -come +some [16:58] such package can perhaps install source files for libraries who depends on qt [16:58] and perhaps in final give us a script to compile all of that [17:01] wibble, libkhtml isn't linking to libkjs in kdelibs4c2a [17:22] Riddell: libqt4-dev is lacking /usr/share/qt4/doc/qt4.doc, which is leading to build failures. Any idea why? unstable and intrepid do have this file [17:24] doko: I don't see it in intrepid [17:25] Riddell: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=qt4.tag&mode=exactfilename&suite=intrepid&arch=any [17:26] that's installed in debian/rules [17:26]