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=== kiko is now known as kiko-zzz
[01:31] <kalosaurusrex1> Can someone please either tell me how to remove a bug watch, or remove the bug watch for this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/hplip/+bug/49102 thanks.
[01:31] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 49102 in ubuntu "all not-HP-hpijs printers missing" [Medium,Fix released]
[01:31] <kalosaurusrex1> it wont let me close it, which I'd like to do.
[01:32] <Hobbsee> hmm.  You can change it
[01:32] <Hobbsee> i don't think you can close it though
[01:32] <beuno> kalosaurusrex1, have you tried clicking on the edit button on the right portlet?
[01:32] <beuno> and maybe leaving the UR: blank?
[01:32] <Hobbsee> beuno: doesn't work.
[01:32] <kalosaurusrex1> yeah i tried that, and it gave me an error.
[01:32] <beuno> ah
[01:33] <kalosaurusrex1> darn thing. lol
[01:33] <beuno> sounds like a bug to me
[01:33] <Hobbsee> beuno: that would be https://bugs.launchpad.net/malone/+bug/91768
[01:33] <kalosaurusrex1> okay I'll file a bug then?
[01:33] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 91768 in malone "It's not possible to remove a bugwatch from a product that started using Launchpad as its bugtracker." [Undecided,Confirmed]
[01:33] <kalosaurusrex1> oh
[01:34] <Hobbsee> and bug 3140, which shows how long it's been around.
[01:34] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 3140 in malone "Bug watches can't be removed" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/3140
[01:34] <kiko-zzz> it's not bug 3140.
[01:34] <kiko-zzz> it's a different bug.
[01:34] <Hobbsee> oh, hmm.  maybe it isn't
[01:34] <beuno> ah
[01:35]  * Hobbsee wonders how it's a different bug.
[01:35] <kiko-zzz> the bug is that hplip was marked as not-using-LP, the bug watch was added, and then it was marked as using-LP-officially.
[01:35] <Hobbsee> oh, right
[01:36] <Hobbsee> oh, that bugwatch.  I guessed it was the other bugwatch, for some reason.
[01:36] <kiko-zzz> and you can remove bugwatches
[01:36] <Hobbsee> how?
[01:36] <kiko-zzz> by editing them and saying "delete"
[01:36] <kiko-zzz> kalosaurusrex1, beuno: it's fixed.
[01:37] <kalosaurusrex1> so should I do something more? lol
[01:37] <kalosaurusrex1> okay great thanks guys :)
[01:37] <kiko-zzz> kalosaurusrex1, you can file a bug, though it's a corner case that might not be worth considering since it's so easy to work around.
[01:37] <Hobbsee> ah.  'delete'.  I didn't guess that.
[01:37] <kiko-zzz> Hobbsee, it needs to be unlinked from a bugtask though. that is mysterious.
[01:37] <kiko-zzz> anyway, truly zzzing.
[01:37] <Hobbsee> kiko-zzz: ahhh.
[01:37] <kalosaurusrex1> kiko-zzz: okay that's cool
[01:37] <beuno> kiko-zzz, night
[01:38] <kiko-zzz> kalosaurusrex1, you can mark the HPLIP bug as invalid or whatever now, too since it's not really your bug, right :)
[01:38] <kalosaurusrex1> yeah thanks :)
[01:39] <kalosaurusrex1> thanks you guys!
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[03:35] <wgrant> spm: That guy from yesterday seems to have another account now...
[03:35] <spm> wgrant: which account this time? I was zotting another late last night
[03:36] <wgrant> spm: rutadeevacuacion
[03:36] <wgrant> Note the display name is the same email address.
[03:36] <wgrant> Though I'm not sure how the old account had its display name changed, when it was deactivated...
[03:39] <spm> wgrant: is a different account - same person by implication
[03:40] <wgrant> spm: I mean the old maurizio-live account now has an email address as the display name. It didn't 24 hours ago.
[03:40] <spm> wgrant: Now if *I* was karma whoring; I'd insist you create a Question before I disabled anything ;-)
[03:41] <wgrant> Heh.
[03:41] <spm> Ah I see what you mean. Interesting.
[03:44] <wgrant> At least it's not as bad as that time where the account wouldn't stay dead.
[03:45] <spm> :-)
[04:36] <NCommander> hey wgrant
[06:32] <NCommander> So who can I complain about openid to
[06:48] <persia> NCommander, Currently, nobody is at the complaints reception desk.  You'd do better to either describe the specific issue here, in which case there may be discussion, to ask a question on answers.launchpad.net, or if you're sure, file a bug.
[06:49] <NCommander> persia, no, its a complaint about their blog post
[06:49] <NCommander> any system that is properly implementing OpenID customer can handle system changes
[06:49] <NCommander> REVU explicately handles them and even updates its cache of data when it does
[06:50] <persia> NCommander, You mean the "system name"?
[06:50] <NCommander> yeah
[06:51] <NCommander> OpenID states that the only thing promised to be static is the openid identifor
[06:51] <persia> Well, the other end will get another name, so identity continuity is likely lost.
[06:51] <NCommander> *identifier
[06:51] <NCommander> No
[06:51] <NCommander> OpenID senses a unqiue UID along with any other session records requests
[06:51] <persia> When you change your LP account, the URL changes.  Isn't the URL the "openid identifier"?
[06:51] <NCommander> That changes?
[06:51] <NCommander> ....
[06:51]  * NCommander facepalms
[06:51] <NCommander> It didn't used to
[06:52] <persia> Yep.  lpnet/~sonicmctails -> lpnet/~ncommander for example.
[06:52]  * NCommander sighs
[06:52] <NCommander> Oh well
[06:52]  * persia doesn't know much about OpenID or LP internals, so may be mistaken
[06:52] <NCommander> I guess ~sonicmctails will be a long lasting legacy
[06:53] <persia> Well, it can change, but you'd need to change the expected identifier for the foreign systems.
[06:53] <persia> Note "shouldn't" rather than "can't".  It's just a lot of work to change the name on *every* consumer.
[06:53] <NCommander> I'll probably reduce LP to a miserable pile of exceptions if I tried it
[06:53] <NCommander> I only ever used it with REVU :_)
[06:53] <NCommander> I'm curious if the email addresses will properly change
[06:54] <NCommander> Or if I need to beg elmo
[06:54] <persia> Right, and REVU doesn't set permissions based on groups very cleanly, so you'd need to merge the accounts.
[06:54]  * NCommander can just fix the permissions
[06:54] <NCommander> <- *REVU Admin*
[06:54] <persia> Well, that's Ubuntu-specific, but they can change on request.
[06:54] <NCommander> Now the question is what do I change my ID to
[06:54] <persia> Right, but as general advice, it's best not to change if you're using OpenID.
[06:55] <NCommander> ok fair enough
[06:55] <NCommander> It didn't used to do that
[06:55] <NCommander> When I coded the openid glue for REVU, it didn't
[06:55] <persia> That was beta :)
[06:57] <NCommander> Aren't finals supposed to be less buggy than the final :-)
[06:57]  * NCommander hears a gunshot
[06:59] <persia> Well, it's debateable whether it's a bug.
[06:59] <persia> I'd personally rather send "persia" than d395a060729ca9a1094a43bff603ee34 as an identity token.
[06:59] <persia> However, in order to support me changing that (unlikely as it might be), and someone else then using "persia", I can't have both.
[07:00] <persia> (leaving aside the frequency of md5sum hash collisions)
[07:08] <Hobbsee> how long does https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/awn/+spec/awn-settings-must-die take for people to load, here?
[07:10] <persia> By rough count, 23 seconds here.
[07:10] <Hobbsee> ouch?
[07:11]  * persia tries the same test with https://launchpad.net/
[07:11] <persia> 8 seconds there, so I guess that counts as "ouch".
[07:11] <Hobbsee> 3.564s?
[07:11] <Hobbsee> persia: tried a dns query cacher?
[07:11]  * persia should probably look into one of those
[07:12] <persia> I have a local DNS server (about 3 meters away) that is supposed to do that though.
[07:12] <Hobbsee> persia: I just did, and i'm getting it doubly fast, or so.  I've got a guide for it, if you do decide you want to (it's easy to set up)
[07:12] <Hobbsee> ahh
[07:12]  * Hobbsee keeps browsing around, marvelling at the fast launchpad.
[07:14]  * persia is slow enough at doing anything that nearly any page load time in the 15-30s range is sufficient
[07:15] <Hobbsee> heh
[07:23] <wgrant> stub: Maybe you can convince people that Malone needs version tracking, so the Janitor *can* know that.
[07:25] <stub> There has been discussion on that sort of thing for years (bug infestations and other terms) where a bug is linked to a version and we infer all the dependant distributions and packages that have that bug. But always vague and ends up in the too hard basket.
[07:27] <wgrant> I recall discussions about it years ago being shot down, yes...
[07:35] <persia> Which bug is this?  I'd like to subscribe.
[07:36] <Mez> ew @ the new font...
[07:36] <Mez> and er... how do I find out why I'm subscribed to a bug?
[07:36] <wgrant> Mez: Find the bug. Check where you appear in the subscribers list.
[07:37] <wgrant> If you're directly subscribed, hover over.
[07:37] <wgrant> Actually...
[07:37] <wgrant> Just check the footer of the bugmail.
[07:37] <Mez> Apparently I subscribed myself? I know I didnt though.
[07:37] <Mez> The new font is HORRID
[07:38] <wgrant> Which new font?
[07:38] <wgrant> Mez: If the subscription is older than about January, that data will be wrong.
[07:39] <Mez> the bug was reported in november...
[07:40] <wgrant> Which bug?
[07:40] <Mez> for some reason, the new "sans-serif" font is made to a sorta courier-esque font
[07:40] <Mez> bug 292850
[07:40] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 292850 in launchpad-foundations "openid URL not shown on profile page" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/292850
[07:41] <wgrant> Hmmm.
[07:42] <Mez> I don't know - unless I'm being subscribed cause it's soemthing to do with openID and I expressed a major interest...
[07:42] <wgrant> I still don't see a new font.
[07:43] <jamesh_> Mez: if it is an indirect subscription, it would be under "Also notified"
[07:43] <Mez> wgrant... *shrugs* might have been a system font change)
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[07:43] <Mez> jamesh: true :(
[07:43] <wgrant> jamesh: Unless somebody made it private and public again.
[07:43] <Mez> I know I didn't subscribe myself though.
[07:43] <jamesh> wgrant: nothing about that in the log
[07:43] <wgrant> Which they didn't.
[07:43] <wgrant> Right.
[07:45]  * Mez goes and checks mail log for first reply to this I got
[07:47] <Mez> nope, the first email I got from the bug was 10 hours ago...
[07:48] <Mez> I've never seen the bug before... and to be fair, I think this has happend on a couple of other bugs ... (they've been related to things I do though, KDE etc, so it could have been an auto-subscribe and I've just deleted)
[07:52] <Mez> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/k3b/+bug/31768 <-- one of them that it says I subscribed to...
[07:52] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 31768 in brasero "Ignores manually set burn speed" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[07:55] <Mez> er, Launchpad OpenID should be available to LP Beta Testers - right?
[08:03] <Mez> it seems that there is no longer OpenID for me :(
[08:03] <jamesh> Mez: you mean https://login.launchpad.net/ doesn't work for you?
[08:04] <kiko-zzz> Mez, have you tried using ~mez again? :)
[08:04] <Mez> jamesh: I mean going to http://edge.launchpad.net/~mez doesn't give me an openid login link on my page.
[08:04] <Mez> BUT, www.launchpad.net does
[08:04] <wgrant> Mez: Logged in?
[08:04] <Mez> yup
[08:06] <Mez> one sec
[08:07] <Mez> http://files.sourceguru.net/lp.png
[08:07] <wgrant>   status confirmed
[08:07] <wgrant> I see that too.
[08:08] <wgrant> Could be deliberate, though.
[08:08] <wgrant> Given that the new ID page is /people/+me...
[08:08] <kiko-zzz> hmmm nooo
[08:09] <kiko-zzz> weird.
[08:09] <kiko-zzz> Mez, the openid URL does work regardless though in openid, right?
[08:09] <Mez> kiko-zzz: probably... lol
[08:11] <Mez> wgrant: you dont show it etiher?
[08:11] <wgrant> Mez: Correct.
[08:11] <jamesh> Mez: so, you can't use http://openidenabled.com/python-openid/trunk/examples/consumer/ ?
[08:11] <jamesh> that one is a pretty good test for OpenID servers
[08:12] <Mez> jamesh: I haven't tried the ID :D I was just checking whether the delgation was there (fixed in 7303, the one on edge is higher than that)
[08:13] <wgrant> edge isn't delegating person pages.
[08:13] <wgrant> So maybe OpenID is somewhat turned off there...
[08:13] <Mez> jamesh: the delegated page I have setup works...
[08:13] <Mez> wgrant: possibly... dunno... I just went to have a looksie to see that the bug I'd got my way with had been done right ;)
[08:17] <Mez> jamesh, mind if I PM you ?
[08:19] <Mez> or one of the other LP devvies who has some spare time on his/her hands
[08:20] <kiko-zzz> Mez, I'm gonna send this in email to flacoste so he can read it and consider a fix as soon as he's up as there is a window for an update today
[08:21] <jamesh> Mez: go for it
[08:21] <wgrant> kiko-zzz: Doesn't edge track RF for the first half of the cycle anyway?
[08:21] <jamesh> Mez: although I'm not on the LP team thest days, so wouldn't be the one to fix any problems
[08:21] <kiko-zzz> wgrant, it does, but there can be "if edge" in the code
[08:23] <Mez> what are you doing these days then james?
[08:23]  * wgrant runs away.
[08:23] <wgrant> dev.launchpad.net has *content*! Yay!
[08:23] <kiko-zzz> wgrant, when you said "the new ID page is /people/+me" what did you mean?
[08:23] <Hobbsee> ooh, content!
[08:24] <e-jat> can administrator in launchpad team add another administrator in their launchpad team ?
[08:24] <wgrant> e-jat: No, only the owner.
[08:24] <e-jat> or must be the owner of the team ?
[08:24] <e-jat> wgrant: thanks ..
[08:24]  * Hobbsee wonders if the typos are on the internal wiki, too :P
[08:24] <wgrant> kiko-zzz: Isn't the new standard OpenID 1.0 URL http://launchpad.net/~username?
[08:25] <kiko-zzz> it is, but it isn't /people/+me (which redirects to that) :)
[08:25] <wgrant> I meant people to be understanding and resolving /people/+me, sorry.
[08:25] <Hobbsee> oh, openID's broken, it seems
[08:25] <Hobbsee> is this intentional?
[08:26] <wgrant> Hobbsee: What about it is broken?
[08:27] <Hobbsee> oh, hmm, worked the second time
[08:27] <Hobbsee> it looked like it had worked the first time, and logged me in, but then said something, which, unfortuantely, i don't remember what it was.
[08:29] <Hobbsee> and are addresses like https://login.launchpad.net/+id/w4sdKwx supposed to be public?
[08:29] <kiko-zzz> they are kinda irrelevant now
[08:29] <Hobbsee> and who they belong to (matt revell)?
[08:29] <kiko-zzz> we will announce the change today
[08:29] <Hobbsee> oh, right
[08:29] <Hobbsee> good :)
[08:29] <wgrant> kiko-zzz: I already saw it on Planet.
[08:30] <jamesh> kiko-zzz: those addresses are relevant to SSO clients
[08:30] <kiko-zzz> jamesh, under the hood, yes
[08:30] <jamesh> places where identity is important
[08:33]  * Hobbsee wonders if it's supposed to be public where the page was edited, and their IP address, too.
[08:34] <wgrant> How are pockets for sourcepackage branches meant to be referenced? I note they're in the schema, but not the branch paths...
[08:35] <wgrant> Oh.
[08:35] <kiko-zzz> right
[08:35] <wgrant> distroseries-pocket further up the page, I see.
[09:02] <wgrant> I see even non-LP-people can spam remote bug trackers through LP now. Excellent.
[09:06] <wgrant> Huh? I got a result pointing to bugs.staging.edge.launchpad.net using the global search...
[09:07] <wgrant> It it blindly replacing launchpad.net in the results with edge.launchpad.net?
[09:27] <BUGabundo> hi
[09:27] <BUGabundo> I'm receiving emails from ubuntu-desktop team bugmail
[09:27] <BUGabundo> I don't remember subscribing to it
[09:27] <wgrant> BUGabundo: What does the message say at the bottom?
[09:27] <BUGabundo> where can I see to which bugmails am I subscribed?
[09:28]  * BUGabundo fechs email
[09:28] <BUGabundo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/297230
[09:28] <BUGabundo> You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop, which is a bug assignee.
[09:28] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 297230 in dictd "jaunty debian/control typos" [Low,Fix released]
[09:29] <wgrant> BUGabundo: Erm, but you're not... to which address was it sent? The ML, perhaps?
[09:30] <BUGabundo> let me check
[09:30] <wgrant> LP is definitely lieing, anyway..
[09:30] <BUGabundo> From: Joe Smith <Yasumoto7@gmail.com>
[09:30] <BUGabundo>  To: ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com
[09:31] <wgrant> Right, you're subscribed to the mailing list.
[09:31] <kiko-zzz> yeah, and in this case team != mailing list
[09:31] <wgrant> Yep.
[09:31] <wgrant> But the rationale needs improvement for that case.
[09:31] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/74695/
[09:31] <BUGabundo> here is the source!
[09:31] <BUGabundo> but it looks like a LP email!
[09:31] <BUGabundo> even on the headers!
[09:32] <wgrant> It is an LP email.
[09:32] <wgrant> It just came through the ubuntu-desktop mailing list.
[09:32] <BUGabundo> that's why my LP filter caught it and not the UDdesktop ML
[09:32] <wgrant> Because that is set as the contact address for ubuntu-desktop.
[09:33] <BUGabundo> Subject: [Bug 297230] Re: jaunty debian/control typos
[09:33] <BUGabundo>  X-Launchpad-Bug: distribution=ubuntu; sourcepackage=dictd; component=main;
[09:33] <BUGabundo>          status=Confirmed; importance=Low; assignee=None;
[09:33] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 297230 in dictd "jaunty debian/control typos" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/297230
[09:33] <BUGabundo> ahhhhhhhh that's why
[09:33] <BUGabundo> it is quite confusing to look at!
[09:33] <BUGabundo> should a team ML be used also for bugmail?
[09:33] <wgrant> Yes.
[09:33] <wgrant> No problem with that.
[09:33] <BUGabundo> how does one distiguish both then?
[09:33] <wgrant> What do you mean?
[09:34] <wgrant> I mean, what do you actually want to do?
[09:34] <BUGabundo> well if some devs want to discuss stuff on the ML
[09:34] <BUGabundo> and still have to process all the bug mail, it gets confusing
[09:34] <BUGabundo> I don't want to do
[09:34] <wgrant> Filter the bugmail from ubuntu-desktop into another folder, maybe.
[09:34] <BUGabundo> I'm used to be on separete ML and bugmail lists!
[09:35] <wgrant> That's what I do for my lists.
[09:35] <BUGabundo> its the 1st time I got that!
[09:35] <BUGabundo> I'm subscribed to UD ML so I can keep up with the desktop subjects
[09:35] <BUGabundo> found strange to get this mail there
[09:35] <BUGabundo> and now you explained it to me!
[09:35] <wgrant> I do that.
[09:36] <BUGabundo> plus wgrant the team doesn't even show up on this bug ticket
[09:36] <BUGabundo> lol
[09:37] <wgrant> BUGabundo: It probably got unassigned.
[09:37] <wgrant> ** Changed in: dictd (Ubuntu)
[09:37] <wgrant>      Assignee: Ubuntu Desktop (ubuntu-desktop) => (unassigned)
[09:37] <wgrant>        Status: Triaged => Confirmed
[09:37] <wgrant> Yes, it did.
[09:46] <BUGabundo> ha thanks for the heads up
[12:04] <Paavo> What is launchpad's policy regarding closed source supporting components shipped with an otherwise free software project?
[12:07] <DarkKnight> hey i always wanted to know how i can learn the coding and fix bugs to improve launchpad....can anyone tell me where to start from
[12:09] <Hobbsee> DarkKnight: it's closed source, so currently, you can't, really.  It is supposed to be open sourced by July 2009 though.
[12:10] <persia> Paavo, From my reading of the official policy, it's forbidden.  For an official answer and possible options, you want to file a question on answers.launchpad.net
[12:10] <Hobbsee> persia: you can get an NDA for it, if you really beg, iirc.
[12:10] <Paavo> https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/40633
[12:10] <Paavo> "Yes closed-source projects can now be hosted on Launchpad by purchasing a one-year subscription for US$250/project (+ applicable VAT if in the EU)."
[12:11] <Paavo> that could be an option, but I'll post a question.
[12:11] <persia> Ah, nice to see there's already an official answer there.
[12:12] <DarkKnight> Hobbsee; i m not talking about improving launchpad...but okkk... i meant to fix bugs....learn the coding for fixing bugs of various releases
[12:12] <Hobbsee> DarkKnight: oh, of ubuntu ones?
[12:12] <Hobbsee> DarkKnight: then you want something like #ubuntu-bugs
[12:12] <Paavo> SourceForge seems to be less flexible about that, and $250/year isn't very much.
[12:12] <DarkKnight> Hobbsee; ya....
[12:13] <DarkKnight> Hobbsee; want in the sense??
[12:13] <Hobbsee> DarkKnight: you want to join #ubuntu-bugs, on thsi network, and ask there, instead of this channel :)
[12:13] <DarkKnight> Hobbsee; thanq
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[14:45] <vadi2> Hi. I'm seeing "/>                           />       " right on top of my page with the recent update
[14:50] <kiko> vadi2, I heard about this. can you give me a) an HTML dump of the page b) a screenshot c) a browser user-agent line?
[14:50] <kiko> vadi2, if you can then please attach them to a bug matsubara will give you in a second
[14:50] <kiko> matsubara, let vadi2 in on the secret of this />/> bug number?
[14:51] <kiko> or Ursinha the clairvoyant
[14:51] <matsubara> bug 300126
[14:51] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 300126 in launchpad "I>I> on top of lp: profile pages" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/300126
[14:51] <vadi2> ok
[14:53] <kiko> flacoste, sinzui: I'll want an RC for the above.
[14:53] <vadi2> done
[14:54] <vadi2> uh
[14:54] <flacoste> kiko: ok, i'll fix it
[14:57] <fta2> sorry to ask again but any progress on the kernel too old issue /w ppa ?
[14:59] <kiko> cprov, bigjools: what's the story with this kernel too old stuff fta2's raising since yesterday?
[14:59] <soren> I think it needs buildd admin love.
[15:00] <bigjools> kiko: it's a buildd admin job, we're waiting on them
[15:00] <soren> IIRC slangasek uploaded a fixed glibc, but it needs an admin to install.
[15:00] <kiko> bigjools, meaning infinity only?
[15:00] <bigjools> kiko: 9/10 yes
[15:00] <persia> Aren't there 3 buildd admins with access?
[15:01] <kiko> persia, if you wanna chase that down for us I'll owe you a t-shirt and beer at UDS
[15:01] <persia> lamont, Would you be able to install the new glibc for the launchpad crew?
[15:02] <kiko> for the crew of the PPA pirate ship
[15:05] <lamont> persia: install where?
[15:05] <persia> kiko, ?
[15:05] <persia> bigjools, ?
[15:05] <soren> lamont: The ppa buildds
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[15:05] <soren> lamont: For Jaunty, in particular.
[15:05] <lamont> soren: real root, or build chroot?
[15:05] <soren> lamont: build chroot, I imagine.
[15:05] <elmo> or you can leave it
[15:05] <lamont> well, given that the sequence is: untar, upgrade, build
[15:05] <elmo> we should be able to upgrade the remaining buildds today
[15:05] <lamont> ...
[15:06] <elmo> and that's probably a better solution
[15:06] <kiko> elmo, okay, thanks a lot for chiming in.
[15:06] <persia> elmo, That does sound better.  Thanks.
[15:06] <persia> kiko, So, does 5 minutes earn me a T-shirt?
[15:14] <kiko> persia, if it gets done by today then yes :)
[15:14] <kiko> (I give t-shirts out for actual solutions not plans)
[15:14]  * persia likes the new launchpad bribe system
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[19:53] <joshuablount-afk> I'm having some trouble with a remote lock, and I'm unsure how to remove it.
[19:53] <joshuablount-afk> I'm trying to push to a lp branch, my last push was stopped by a network connection fail.
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[19:53] <beuno> joshuablount-afk, bzr break-lock BRANCH
[19:53] <kiko> faq faq faq
[19:53] <joshuablount> ah! fantastic.
[19:54] <beuno> don't mind kiko, it's release week
[19:55] <kiko> or maybe I'm saying it's faqtastic :)
[19:55] <cjwatson> BjornT: (as help contact) can you tell me why I'm not allowed to create a product called "rootskel-gtk"?
[19:55] <kiko> maybe it's the root prefixing there. we can rename it for you.
[19:55] <cjwatson> from another dummy name, you mean?
[19:55]  * beuno looks up Launchpad FAQs
[19:56] <kiko> yes
[19:56] <BjornT> cjwatson: i think kiko is right, but i could look it up to confirm
[19:56] <kiko> bootskel-gtk should work
[19:56] <cjwatson> seems a kind of silly restriction :)
[19:56] <kiko> it's a blacklist and it indeed contains silly things
[19:56] <cjwatson> created bootskel-gtk
[19:56] <BjornT> cjwatson: what's the error message, btw?
[19:56] <cjwatson> would appreciate a rename, or should I file a question?
[19:57] <BjornT> kiko: can you rename the project?
[19:57] <cjwatson> BjornT: "The name 'rootskel-gtk' has been blocked by the Launchpad administrators"
[19:57] <kiko> I can't
[19:57] <kiko> but cjwatson can file the question and then we sort it out
[19:57] <kiko> herb can but I think it's EOD for him
[19:58] <BjornT> cjwatson: ok. that's due to the blacklist.
[19:58] <cjwatson> https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/52038, thanks
[19:59] <kiko> thanks cjwatson
[19:59] <cjwatson> you want a bug on the dodgy blacklist too?
[19:59] <kiko> nah, that I can do at the same time, clearing up an entry
[19:59] <cjwatson> mkay, ta
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