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l_ris there a live version of xubuntu for usb? (I am not asking about installing xubuntu from a cd to usb)00:09
Gazali while installing debianxfce, i didnot formatted the old home partition of xubuntu, now is there a way to get rid of the configuration left from xubuntu?00:27
viddGazali, sure.....00:27
Gazalihow00:28
viddGazali, delete the .conf folder in your home directory, log out and back in again00:28
Gazaliallright00:28
Gazalithanks00:28
viddwhen you log back in, the default .conf folder will be written automatically00:29
Gazaliwell is it hidden00:29
viddinfact, you can delete all the .[folders]00:29
viddthe only hidden files you need are:00:30
vidd.bashrc, .bash_history, .bashlogout, and .Xauthority00:31
vidd(so far as i know00:32
Gazaliok do i need to keep any of the files under /home00:32
viddjust the ones i stated00:32
Gazaliok00:33
Gazalithank you very much vidd00:37
Gazalieverythings fien now00:37
Gazalifine\00:37
vidd=]00:38
viddsimple stuff00:38
Gazaliok 1 more thing00:38
Gazaliyou may help me00:38
viddask away00:38
Gazalii have this useless debian folder in xfces "start menu"00:38
Gazali:D00:38
Gazalihow do i get rid of it00:38
viddwhat is in the folder?00:39
Gazalialmost everything is duplicated00:39
vidddunno....sounds like a debian thing00:40
Gazalithere 4 folders under it one of em is applications and it has all the apps.00:40
Gazalii just want to delete it from the menu00:40
Gazaliif possible00:40
Gazaliof course00:40
TheSheepyou would have to delete all of its content...00:41
viddcan you paste a screenshot somewhere so i know what your talking about?00:41
Gazaliallright00:41
Gazalierm how do i take the screenshot :D00:42
viddummmm dunno =]00:42
Gazaliok i managed00:43
Gazalihttp://img136.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotzk0.png00:46
Gazalihttp://img136.imageshack.us/img136/8418/screenshotzk0.png00:49
binarymutantGazali, how'd you do it? I use imagemagick and/or scrot00:53
Blunted88im having issues with my repositories, im running xubuntu 8.04. what repositories should i have listed in synaptic?00:53
binarymutantBlunted88, pastebin your /etc/apt/source.list00:53
Gazalibinarymutant screenshooter plugin (panel)00:54
Blunted88how do i do that?00:55
binarymutantnever used it but sounds cool Gazali00:55
b4|hrabanhmm I have some trouble installing xubuntu on a small (eee-like) laptop00:55
binarymutantBlunted88, mousepad /etc/apt/source.list to pastebin.com00:55
b4|hrabanI used unetbootin to load the 8.10 netinstaller on a usb stick and installed xubuntu on that same stick after booting from it00:55
b4|hrabanbut after installation it won't boot, the BIOS acts as if the device is not bootable at all. so I figured I'd try to install a bootloader on it from my main computer (mandriva), which half-worked; it now does load grub but I immediately get "error 25"00:56
b4|hrabaninternet says it's a 25 : Disk read error\nThis error is returned if there is a disk read error when trying to probe or read data from a particular disk.00:57
Blunted88mouse pad? im sory binary00:57
b4|hrabanI don't think it's even trying to access the menu.lst file, but I might be wrong... I have very little experience with grub, especially none with the command line tools needed to modify it, so... I hope somebody can help :/00:58
binarymutantBlunted88, you have xfce?00:58
Blunted88yes00:58
binarymutantBlunted88, mousepad should be installed with it, I might be wrong though, it's a word processor00:58
Gazalib4|hraban i once installed xubuntu on a usb hard drive but after 4-5 boot it did not again then i give up00:59
Blunted88ok00:59
b4|hrabanok.. ehh... that's... reassuring :P00:59
binarymutantBlunted88, and your just copy pasting /etc/apt/source.list into pastebin.com00:59
Gazaliif i were you id install grub on a real hd00:59
binarymutanterr /etc/apt/sources.list ** sorry Blunted8800:59
b4|hrabanGazali, I can't, the "real" hd is soaked01:00
Blunted88k its on there under blunted8801:00
b4|hrabanit's a long story but it involves magnets01:00
Gazalii see01:00
binarymutantwhats the url Blunted8801:00
Gazalimay be you can use a cd to boot :D01:00
Blunted88http://pastebin.com/df752ed101:00
b4|hrabanGazali, there is no CD bay01:00
b4|hrabanit's too small (as I said, eee-pc like)01:01
b4|hrabanbesides, I know this works, unetbootin makes it work, why can't I... :/01:01
Gazaliok then you should get a usb drive with write protection ^^01:01
binarymutantBlunted88, looks right, whats the problem?01:01
b4|hrabanGazali, how will that help...?01:02
binarymutantyou have a lot of entries though, it might be slow to update01:02
Gazalii believe either at startup or at shotdown, mbr of usb drive goes bad01:02
binarymutantwow i've got a lot of entries too...they are the same though01:03
Blunted88when i run update manager it tells me that one of the repositories is out dated, maybe its just talking about the update it was attempting01:04
binarymutantI thought hardy was still supported...01:05
DaveDixonIIWhy is it that only my terminal wobbles a littlebit and no other window?01:06
b4|hrabanwoo!01:10
b4|hrabangrub command line isn't so bad after all..01:10
b4|hrabanI installed xyzzybuntu on a 4 gb flash drive yay01:10
binarymutantDaveDixonII, compiz?01:12
viddGazali, sorry....i had to go reset a power breaker in the basement01:13
Gazaliits ok01:13
Gazalii was able to remove it01:13
DaveDixonIIbinarymutant: i dont have compiz. D:01:13
Gazalii just left clicked on panel :D01:14
binarymutantDaveDixonII, you need compiz for wobbly effects01:14
viddGazali, try building a second user, log into it and see if the menu is the same01:14
Gazaliwell vidd, xfce uses a default (i dont know where it is) menu layout or uses the one you create01:15
Gazalithe one you configure resides at ~/.config/xdg/menus so this is not for everyuser01:16
zerothishas any one gotten a Vontange V-phone to run in on Linux?01:16
binarymutantzerothis, ekiga might be able to use the vonage service01:17
viddright...so Gazali exactly01:17
viddi would be interested in what is diffent01:17
binarymutantzerothis, http://www.jpugh.org/2008/01/vonage-and-ekiga-on-suse-linux.html01:19
Gazalividd if you want to see the menu of another user01:20
viddGazali, just pastebin me your menus file01:20
Gazalithen youll need to tell me how to create another user cuz i am new to linux01:21
Gazaliallright ill try01:21
Gazaliif you are interested in the debian menu01:22
Gazalithere is a file menudefs.hook01:22
Gazaliwhich i dont know where01:22
Gazaliill try to paste the menu conf01:22
viddbut to add a basic user, simply run sudo adduser01:24
Gazalihttp://rafb.net/p/1QILGD52.html01:25
brad_question, can anyone help me with a printer?01:26
viddGazali, remove lines 17 and 1801:27
Gazalinewusers comes with the default menu (with debian)01:28
Gazalividd debian menu is not visible now so01:29
Gazalithere is no prblem01:29
viddGazali, removing those lines did it?01:29
Gazalino i had used the menu editor of xfce01:29
Gazalii have to to bed now thank you for your help vidd01:30
viddnp01:30
Gazali(its 3.29 am here:)01:30
Gazalibye01:30
brad_sorry to ask, but can someone help me with printer problems?01:31
viddbrad_, what kind of printer?01:31
brad_lexmark z71501:31
brad_ive tried a few tutorials, but nothings working and i can't figure out why or where i screwed up01:31
viddbrad_, lexmark's are notoriously linux-hostile01:31
brad_and yeah, i do know lexmark isn't the most open source... but it's all i got to work with...01:32
brad_if someone could just help me look for a tutorial i'd appreciate it...01:32
viddbrad_, try this http://www.backports.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=77216101:36
brad_tried this a few times, but i'll give it one more go01:38
brad_be right back, have to switch to gnome01:41
brad_ok, so how do i print a test page?01:49
brad_any idea?01:49
viddshould be in the print thing01:49
binarymutantum print /etc/apt/sources.list?01:49
vidd*menu01:49
brad_how would one print sources.list? and there's not an option to do a test page in System-Administration-Printing01:50
binarymutantoh I meant open it in a text editor and print something but nvm01:51
brad_that might be stupid enough to work...01:51
binarymutanttechnically it could be a test page01:52
brad_ZOMG IT WORKS!!!01:53
binarymutantbrad_, did you use cups?01:53
brad_yeah01:53
binarymutantthats cool, never used it01:53
brad_now to try openoffice01:53
viddbrad_, cups finally has the driver? or did you follow the link i sent ya?01:53
brad_used the link01:54
brad_OMG OPENOFFICE WORKS!!!01:54
brad_sorry for the shouting, i'm so happy...01:54
brad_thanks vidd for convincing me to try the tutorial again...01:55
brad_also, does anybody know if there is a way to add more space at the top?01:55
viddbrad_, i dont really print01:57
brad_yeah, well, i can fix this later01:58
brad_also, how would one add this server to the startup list in xchat?01:59
brad_sorry, i know i'm asking a lot of questions...01:59
viddbrad_, simply open the xchat->network list menu.....01:59
brad_when i did that, it didn't load this again on startup02:00
brad_i'll try one more time...02:00
viddhighlight the server you configured, and check the "autoconnect" box02:00
viddhighlight the server you configured, and check the "autoconnect" box02:01
brad_oh, woops02:01
brad_thanks02:01
brad_anyway, got to go, thanks for all of your guys' help02:01
mattgyver83I installed xfce on my ubuntu laptop, is this the same thing as just installing xubuntu?02:04
binarymutantyeah02:05
mattgyver83Thats what i thought.02:05
binarymutantbut you probably still have gnome on it dont you?02:05
mattgyver83im having some troubles with compiz and some other settings as well02:05
mattgyver83Yeah, I do.02:05
mattgyver83its real wierd.  For a while things were running perfectly, but for some reason now my mouse icon is just the plain X cursor.02:06
binarymutantthats the difference between xubuntu and ubuntu02:06
mattgyver83Thats what i thought.02:06
mattgyver83So i dont understand where these other issues are arrising from, its not like the filesystem/structure is any different.02:06
binarymutantdunno, mine looks the same02:10
binarymutantI'm pretty sure that compiz is like it's own window manager, that might be the reason02:12
binarymutantand you can change the mouse theme in X too02:13
mattgyver83Funny enough, when i ran compiz in terminal everything just fixed.  I think i might be onto it.02:13
mattgyver83I think emerald is trying to control the enviornment, might be blocking some changes.  I might just need compiz to begin at startup.02:14
mattgyver83n/m.02:14
binarymutantmetacity --replace or something like that idk, compiz isn't really my thing02:14
mattgyver83does xfce use metacity still?  i assumed that was gnome only.02:15
binarymutantnot sure, I thought it did02:15
mattgyver83My laptop isnt blazing fast, I remembered using xfce on an older one that i have and it was much faster.   Obvious speed difference between the two.02:16
binarymutantif your looking for speed, compiz is definitely not the way to go02:17
binarymutantand I would say dwm is much much much faster than xfce :P02:19
mattgyver83what is dwm?02:19
binarymutanta tiling window manager02:20
binarymutantit's very small, like 2kb, and very fast02:20
mattgyver83Ill have to look into it.  Xfce seems to be great on this laptop, however i have an even older one that i might look into it on.02:21
binarymutanthttp://www.suckless.org/wiki/dwm/     <--- not recommended for novices02:21
binarymutanttheir support is terrible though, so it's kinda a give and take02:22
mattgyver83Gotcha.  You say not recommended, whats so difficult about it?02:22
binarymutantbesides the support? You have to compile it anytime you change something and it's almost featureless02:23
mattgyver83Oh okay.02:24
binarymutantbut the trade off is it's blazingly fast02:24
mattgyver83back in a sec02:26
mattgyver83now i gotta figure out why it all of a sudden doesnt see an internet connection.02:28
binarymutantyou still have nm-applet?02:28
mattgyver83not sure02:29
mattgyver83Is that network manager?02:30
binarymutantya02:30
binarymutantfrom gnome02:30
mattgyver83Yes.02:30
binarymutantthat should work02:31
mattgyver83And it looks like all is setup correctly still.02:31
mattgyver83At least, the screen im looking at says 'Network Settings' which i believe is network-manager in gnmoe02:32
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binarymutantI dunno, it's the applet in the system tray is what i'm talking about02:32
mattgyver83Actually, no i dont anymore.02:34
mattgyver83however it was there earlier.02:34
binarymutantjust type nm-applet in a terminal02:35
mattgyver83tryed, nothing loaded02:35
mattgyver83im actually rebooting, ill try again in a sec02:35
mattgyver83Its wierd that it all worked for a couple of days and then stopped.  Guess i did something.02:36
mattgyver83thx for your help btw02:36
binarymutantthen...sudo apt-get network-manger-gnome I guess, np02:36
mattgyver83wont be able to cuz i dont have a connection.02:36
binarymutantits on disc probably02:36
mattgyver83oh okay02:36
mattgyver83tells me that network-manager-gnome is the newest version02:41
chardingUsing 8.10 with fglrx Driver and running fgl_glxgears gives a white screen then locks up X, any ideas? fgl_glxgears before used to work fine..02:41
mattgyver83ill try a wired connectin02:43
mattgyver83same problem.02:44
OldbitcollectorHi02:45
OldbitcollectorAre the experts online for questions?02:46
viddOldbitcollector, ask away02:47
mattgyver83hopefully someones an expert ';D02:47
viddi may not be an expert, but ill try02:47
Oldbitcollectorthanks / background: was running Ubuntu until my Hdd crashed. Switched to Xubuntu because I like the feel.  Got a couple items I'm trying to get straighten the way I want them.02:47
OldbitcollectorLittle new.. switch from XP a month or so ago.  never going back.02:48
OldbitcollectorQuestion 1) How do I add the "Home" icon to the top panel?02:48
binarymutantmattgyver83, did you run nm-applet in a terminal?02:48
mattgyver83binarymutant, yes it never loaded anything02:48
binarymutantmattgyver83, scratch that, do this in a terminal " sudo dhclient "02:48
binarymutantfor wired02:49
mattgyver83okay.   just one second, i want to make sure im not crazy and that all works on a gnome session still.02:49
binarymutantif it works in gnome, it'll work in xfce because the tools these gui's use are the same in every window manager02:49
mattgyver83Okay.  So it probably wotn.02:50
viddOldbitcollector, should be able to right-click on desktop and check the box to show desktop icons02:50
mattgyver83yeah, for some insane reason it stopped working all together, let me get back in xfce02:51
viddmattgyver83, i missed your issue02:51
binarymutantmattgyver83, try sudo dhclient in a terminal02:52
binarymutantfor wired02:52
Oldbitcollector@vidd: I'd like to add a "launcher" for the "Home" into Panel 1.  Not sure I'm following..02:52
viddOldbitcollector, isnt the "places" applet there already?02:52
mattgyver83vidd, problems connecting to the internet now after installing xfce on ubuntu (normally running gnome)02:53
OldbitcollectorGood point..02:53
OldbitcollectorI can adapt..02:53
binarymutantmattgyver83, dhclient give you an ip?02:53
mattgyver83about to run it now02:53
viddOldbitcollector, i was thinking desktop...not panel (i mis read)02:54
OldbitcollectorQuestion 2) Anyone running CheckGmail.  How can I get this application to load automatically when I log in?02:54
binarymutantOldbitcollector, put it in .xinit02:54
viddOldbitcollector, add it to the "autostarted apps" in the settings manager02:54
binarymutant^ or that02:54
viddmattgyver83, how are you conecting? wired or wireless?02:55
mattgyver83currently wired just for testing, however this machine needs to connect wireless.02:55
Oldbitcollectorah. why didn't I see that..02:55
mattgyver83binarymutant, i get only internal IP addresses, should i list my external?02:55
binarymutantno, you should be connected to the net now mattgyver8302:56
binarymutantit pulls an internal ip02:56
mattgyver83Yeah, it gives me the correct IP02:56
mattgyver83and notices my gateway02:56
binarymutantand you're on the net02:57
mattgyver83.....02:57
binarymutanti gtg, but for wireless you use iwconfig if you can't get nm-applet working02:57
mattgyver83for some reason, yes.  It goes online all of a sudden.02:57
mattgyver83okay, thanks.02:57
Oldbitcollector@binary: is there an easy way to read the "properties" of a menu item under "Applications"?02:58
viddmattgyver83, connect up your wifi02:58
viddOldbitcollector, no...there isnt02:58
viddOldbitcollector, why you need to know the properties?02:59
OldbitcollectorSo I can read off what needs to be placed into autostart02:59
mattgyver83vidd, i did02:59
mattgyver83i just ran ifdown and ifup on the connection.02:59
mattgyver83i get nothing02:59
Oldbitcollectorthought I had found a way to pull launchers from "Applications" onto the desktop earlier.. not sure what I did.02:59
mattgyver83iwconfig shows my wifi connection though03:00
viddmattgyver83, do "sudo /etc/init.d/network restart03:00
Oldbitcollectorah.. Appfinder. drag to desktop and I can see the properties.03:00
mattgyver83ok03:00
mattgyver83it told me command not found03:01
viddmattgyver83, do "sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart03:02
OldbitcollectorLast question: what is the player which allows music to play when the mouse is held over the file? I'd like to add the feature to X03:02
mattgyver83last line says 'RTNETLINK answers: No such process'03:02
viddOldbitcollector, im clueless there03:02
viddmattgyver83, now ifconfig03:03
OldbitcollectorYes, I'm sure that is not a common question here. :)03:03
mattgyver83okay, it shows me eth0, eth1, lo, wmaster003:04
Oldbitcollectorah, one more.. I'm using an SD/USB adapter.  How does one change the permissions to allow writing to the SD?03:04
viddmattgyver83, now do iwconfig03:08
mattgyver83okay, it notices my wifi connection @ eth103:08
viddok....then you are connected03:08
mattgyver83browser just times out, and when i try to ping a site i get nothing.03:10
viddwmaster is what "controls" the wifi connection03:10
mattgyver83@iwconfig - wmaster no wireless extensions, eth1 it shows EEID:"matttastic" my home network03:11
viddmattgyver83, try sudo apt-get install network-manager03:12
viddmattgyver83, wmaster is a controler03:13
* vidd uses wicd rather then network manager03:13
viddmattgyver83, can you ping yor gateway?03:14
aLeSDis it possible to search in the samba net as in ubuntu ?03:20
aLeSDor connect to a samba server by a graphical xfce tool ?03:20
viddmattgyver83, can you ping your gateway?03:20
neozenaLeSD: could perhaps mount a samba share with fusesmb03:22
neozenaLeSD: then just browse normally with thunar03:23
aLeSDthunar ? fuesmb ?03:23
neozenaLeSD: thunar is xfce's beloved minimal filemanager03:24
neozenif you've been browsing the filesystem in X, you've seen thunar03:24
aLeSDoh yes03:25
neozenaLeSD: fusesmb is something like a plugin for fuse which stands for Filesystem in UserSpacE03:25
neozenaLeSD: basically fuse lets you mount things as your user instead of being root03:25
neozenaLeSD: also lets you mount things you couldn't normally as filesystems03:26
neozenaLeSD: samba (windows shares), a directory accessible through ssh etc03:26
vidd!fusesmb03:27
ubottufusesmb is a tool that allows easy access to shared folders (smb) on a network.  Links with more info: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FuseSmb03:27
aLeSDok thanks03:27
neozenaLeSD: to the best of my knowledge, no single easy app exists for xfce03:27
neozenaLeSD: you're welcome03:27
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[AfZ]TomServo1is there a pretentious code on this channel that says that you can't ask n00by questions without lurking for 3 months?04:25
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excalibasHello, I just upgraded from hardy to intrepid, and now my SD cards are weird, they mount OK, but they don't appear on the Partition Editor, and I cant unmount them. If I try to eject I get an error and than I cannot mount back04:35
excalibaswell, the mounting is not really a problem, because it is mounting. but why cant Gparted find it? I need to format it. please help04:37
excalibasthis does not happen with usb device, only SD card. my USB pendrive appears on Gparted04:47
excalibasI think is this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/27534505:00
fughow come i dont have a xorg.conf file on a fresh install? only the example05:10
fugi'm not going to screw anything up if i run a config tool am i?05:11
fugeverything works just fine - i only need to disable the touchpad05:11
dcolishfug: just comment it out in your xorg file, its autogenerated by dpkg05:17
dcolishalso, all the input stuff is now configured by hal as an fdi05:17
fugjust figured all i need to do is start syndaemon05:24
fugthere's the "autostarted applications" in the settings manager..05:26
fugin which file are the settings stored?05:26
fugi'd like to have syndaemon and mpd start automatically, is that the righ way to go?05:27
ballhello maxamillion06:50
coldhakmount.ntfs is taking 90% of my CPU, what does it do?07:12
ballit's a CPU benchmark <- this is a lie07:13
coldhakapparently it keeps the ntfs drive mounted. it fails for taking that much cpu power to do such a thing07:14
ballcoldhak: Is it a drive that you share with a Window machine?07:21
ballWindows*07:21
* ball potches about with a Webcam07:22
coldhakyes07:38
coldhaki dual boot with windows07:38
ballAh, that limits your options then.07:38
coldhaki killed the process and remounted, it's no longer taking so much cpu07:38
ballI have to go anyway, it's 01:38 here and I have to be up again at 05:3007:39
ballcoldhak: perhaps it leaks07:39
coldhaksame07:39
coldhakg'night07:39
ballGoodnight07:39
law__hi guys07:41
law__i need some help here07:41
law__from my xubuntu pc i can ping to another win xp pc, but from win xp pc i can't ping to xubuntu pc07:43
law__anybody can give me some solutions?07:43
law__please ?07:45
law__anybody can help me?07:47
law__?07:49
law__hello07:50
wormsxulla_law__: be patient07:58
law__so may i ask my question now?08:18
wormsxulla_law__: i think you've asked your question already, anyone able to help will do so, when they are "alive". remember there are timezones08:30
wormsxulla_so the only thing is to be patient, really :)08:30
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guehi all, how to rebuilding xorg.conf, pls, my this file is empty. :(09:45
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b3wbscan someone help me [im a linux noob]12:38
b3wbsneed help installing glib12:38
* soren raises an eyebrow12:39
b3wbswell basically12:40
b3wbshow? :D12:40
TheSheepwhat are you trying to do exactly?12:41
b3wbsinstall glib12:41
TheSheepyou have it istalled12:41
TheSheepinstalled12:41
TheSheepit's part of your system12:41
b3wbsapparently not12:41
b3wbscause i was trying to install something else and it pronounced that i don't have glib and that i need to get it12:42
b3wbsso i've downloaded it12:42
b3wbsand extracted it12:42
b3wbsbut i don't know what to do now12:42
TheSheepwhat do you need it for?12:42
b3wbsapparently so i can install xchat12:42
TheSheepjust install xchat from repositories, with synaptic12:42
idontlikenumber1Is Ubuntu bleeding edge like Fedora?13:04
hhh2i have xubuntu hardy and i want to update videolan 0.8.6e to 0.9.613:06
hhh2how can i do?13:06
hhh2i don't find a .deb file13:06
atarihi13:10
viddhello atari13:11
viddhhh2, then compile it from source13:11
viddread the instructions that comes with it13:11
atarihi vidd13:12
atarion a scale from 1 to 10. what would be my success when changing from etch to xubunt with apt-get?13:12
viddatari, negative 1000013:13
ataridamn13:13
viddyou will do nothing but nuke your system13:13
viddyou have a seperate /home partition?13:13
atariyes i do13:13
viddthen why not do a net install?13:14
atarinet install?13:14
atariyou mean new?13:14
viddthe mini ISO is only 10 MB, and you tell the installer to leave your /home partition intact13:14
viddatari, no....net install13:14
vidd!mini13:14
ubottuThe Minimal CD image is very small in size, and it downloads most packages from the Internet during installation, allowing you to select only those you want (the installer is like the one on the !Alternate CD). See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD13:14
atarithe big problem is, i cant boot any ubuntu kernel i tried yet... so i need a customized kernel...13:15
viddatari, why can you not boot it?13:15
viddwhat error are you getting?13:15
atarii always get a kernel panic13:15
atarikernel options didnt help at all13:16
viddfrom the installer?13:16
atarinoapic, agp=off etc.13:16
viddthe installer or post-install?13:16
atariits not a ubutntu related problem, but a linux kernel problem13:16
atarithats why i need a customized kernel ;)13:16
viddatari, which kernel is your etch running?13:16
atariLinux blacky 2.6.27.4 #1 SMP Tue Oct 28 23:18:02 CET 2008 i686 GNU/Linux13:17
atari(no the debian kernel doesnt boot either ;)13:17
viddand did you have to custom-compile this?13:17
viddah13:17
atariyes13:17
ataribrb13:17
viddatari, then try looking here: http://www.debuntu.org/13:19
atarividd: thx13:23
atarividd: i didnt know that page yet13:24
viddhello maxamillion14:00
zeitsofahello :) did anybody have an idea how i can fix this problem http://pastebin.com/m6ce4773d14:26
knomezeitsofa, does nm-applet run?14:28
viddzeitsofa, that simply means you can only have one instance of the Network admin tool running14:28
knomehello vidd14:28
viddif you dont see the pannel app, then edit your panels to post it14:28
viddhello Knightlust14:28
knomehaha14:28
viddgaaaa!!!!!!14:28
* knome is evil14:28
viddhello knome14:28
viddknight is going to change his name soon!14:29
vidd=]14:29
* knome sends dozens of bots with nicks starting with kn14:29
knome;)14:29
zeitsofavidd: i'm confused, it runs yesterday - how i can configure the panel correctly ?14:30
zeitsofahmm ok after /etc/init.d/NetworkManager restart the applet comes up - but now are no interfaces are available14:33
knomeok i'm going now14:33
knomesee you later.14:33
viddzeitsofa, is the system connecting via wired or wireless?14:34
zeitsofawired14:35
viddcan you ping your gateway?14:35
zeitsofai'm online i think so :)14:36
zeitsofayes i can14:36
viddif your online, then why are you concerned?14:36
vidddoes this system use wifi?14:36
zeitsofai can not configure any interface with he applet - and no i have only to wired interfaces14:37
zeitsofas/he/the14:37
viddzeitsofa, why would you want to configure wired interfaces with nm?14:38
viddits for wifi14:38
sorenUh, no.14:39
viddzeitsofa, it is much easier to simply set up /etc/network/interfaces14:39
sorenIt's for all interfaces.14:39
viddsoren, its crap for wired14:40
viddits only decent for wifi14:40
sorenBe they, wired, wireless, DSL lines, 3G, dial-up..14:40
zeitsofavidd: a few days befor i can configure alle my interface with the applet - i have 2 cards and one is connectet to a test network - often i have to change the ip address14:40
sorenvidd: I know lots of people who would say the exact opposite :)14:40
viddzeitsofa, idk how to assist with your specifics....but soren is apparently an expert14:41
sorenvidd: Not in particular. Not unless plugging in the network cable and then using the network makes me an expert.14:41
viddpersonally, i use wicd....MUCH more intuitive14:41
soren$ apt-cache search wicd14:42
soren$14:42
soren-v14:42
viddsoren, its not in the repos14:42
sorenThat's a major loss on the intuitiveness scale, if you ask me :)14:42
viddsor14:43
viddsoren, how so?14:43
viddadd the repo for it and then its in your repos.....14:43
sorenIt's not very intuitive that you have to jump through hoops to even install the thing.14:43
viddbut getting the software is nothing to do with how intuitive the software is to use14:43
sorenUsing it starts by the installation procedure.14:43
zeitsofait is so stupid - first time i can not open a vpn connection with the applet - on second step i reinstall the applett an now no configuration for my interfaces and no vpn connections ^^ - the best way i think go back to debian14:44
sorenIf you were to explain to your grandma how to connect to the internet, having to start with guiding her through adding extra repositories... not optimal, IMO.14:44
viddzeitsofa, yeah....wicd is in the repos there14:44
vidd(i think)14:45
zeitsofavidd: hrhr on debian it works fine for me :)14:45
viddsoren, you dont know my grandmother14:45
sorenvidd: I might.14:45
sorenEspecially seeing as getting stuff from other repositories requires a... wait for it.... internet connection!14:46
viddtelling her to switch to console, wget this file, dpk install it, get the dependencies with apt-get fix is no problem for her14:46
sorenGood for you.14:47
sorenAnd her.14:47
viddand hitting an internet connection is a piece of cake so long as you are not using nm14:48
viddset the network interfaces in /etc/network/interfaces to dhcp your eth0 connection and your golden14:48
viddzeitsofa, idk what the issue is with your NM14:49
viddhave you tried to apt-get uninstall --purge it and re-install it?14:49
viddzeitsofa, also, please pastebin your network interfaces for me14:51
vidd!pastebin14:51
ubottupastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu.com (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)14:51
zeitsofavidd: hrhr ubutnu goes MS :) rebooting and it works14:54
viddzeitsofa, i told ya it was crapware14:54
vidd=]14:54
zeitsofahmm that is true :)14:54
viddzeitsofa, ya might want to check out wicd14:55
viddsee if it will meet your needs14:55
viddi dont know if it can or cannot handle bridging14:55
* vidd never had occation to try14:56
zeitsofavidd: did wicd can use vpn (pptp) ?14:56
vidddunno...as i said...i never looked into it14:56
viddhttp://wicd.sourceforge.net/14:57
zeitsofayes i found it with google :)14:57
zeitsofabut there is no vpn include14:58
Schenker80guys I have a small problem now.  I have downloaded the desktop CD and I have booted my computer from it.  I have a black screen with white text and it says welcome to yaboot.  how do i install from this?14:59
viddya dont15:04
viddSchenker80, how much ram does that machine have?15:04
Shaba1Hello anyone at the keys here?15:08
vidd!ask | Shaba115:08
ubottuShaba1: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)15:08
Shaba1Ok15:08
neozenSchenker80: ahh yaboot..... that piece of @#$#@$ that was supposed to handle boot management in YDL on our decrepit mac servers ... but didn't15:08
Shaba1I have my screen res set to 1024X768 which I think is right. But some dialogs and windows have the bottoms cut off when displayed on the 'desktop'15:09
viddShaba1, if your dialogs are cut off, then you most likely have 800x60015:10
Shaba1vidd how do I determine that definatively?15:10
viddopen the setting->settings manager->display15:11
Shaba1yes I did that15:11
Shaba1the max res it shows is 640X48015:12
viddit will tell you "default" and the resolutions that are available to you15:12
viddwhat is the first resolution?15:12
Shaba1btw that settings manager screen gets cut off too15:12
Shaba1vid the first one is default15:12
viddShaba1, max resi is 640x480??15:12
viddyou need to get the right video driver installed on your system15:13
Shaba1720X576 is the max15:13
viddShaba1, you said display said the max resilution is 640x48015:14
Shaba1vidd nope I look above that in the dialog.15:14
viddthis means you are in safe graphics mode15:14
Shaba1I was ASSuming that the max res would be at the bottom of the dialog window15:14
viddthis is defanantly an issue of not having the correct video driver15:15
Shaba1ok how do I tell which one the machine is using15:16
viddlspci will tell you what video card your using15:16
Shaba1vidd: ok how do that?15:18
neozenShaba1: in terminal, type lspci15:18
neozenShaba1: look for the line containing VGA or Graphics15:18
neozenhow you doin vidd... been a long time15:18
Shaba1Via Technologies S3 Unichrome Pro VGA Adapater15:21
Shaba1which is what it shoulc be15:21
Shaba1that is what shows on the windows side of this machine15:21
Shaba1noezen:15:23
Shaba1Vidd?15:23
Shaba1I found this page "http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/xserver-xorg-video-openchrome"15:24
Shaba1how do i get that into synaptics15:24
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Shaba1Hello neozen are you back here now?15:29
viddShaba1, if its listed on that page, then it should already be in the repos15:30
viddyou can also download the .deb to your local machine and run:15:30
viddsudo dpkg -i [path/to/file].deb15:31
viddand if it says "missing dependencies", sudo apt-get install -f15:31
Shaba1vidd: I appreciate the help15:32
Shaba1but you are speaking as if I am already a linux afficiando15:33
Shaba1I come from a windows world15:33
Shaba1and quite versed there15:33
Shaba1but linux is another thing all together15:33
viddShaba1, if you download the .deb via firefox, then it should be saved to your desktop15:33
viddif the name is fluffy.deb (no...that isnt going to be the actual name...just and example)15:34
Shaba1Ok #1 what is a .deb15:34
viddShaba1, a .deb is like a .exe in windows15:35
vidd(well not really...more like intaller.exe)15:35
viddits one of many ways to install software in linux15:35
Shaba1Ok I am seeing a LOT of web pages describing this driver.15:37
Shaba1but none with a "click here to download this thing" link15:37
viddShaba1, the link you posted.....15:37
viddgo there....15:38
viddyou running an amd or an i386 system?15:38
Shaba1not sure hold on15:38
Shaba1I think its and amd15:38
Shaba1but I will check to make sure15:38
viddok...64 bit or 32bit?15:39
Shaba1amd15:39
Shaba1runnign the hardy (8.04) version of xubuntu15:39
Shaba132 bit15:39
viddok....on that page, click the link for i386 at the bottom of the page15:40
Shaba1ok got another page15:41
viddit will take you to a page with a lot of different mirror sites.15:41
viddclick the link for any one of them, and it will download the file to your system15:41
Shaba1ok got a dialog that ask if I want to save the file or open it with /usr/lib/mime/debian-view(default)15:43
Schenker80what's the best release of xubuntu for an iBook G4?15:43
Shaba1vidd?15:44
Schenker80intrepid??15:44
viddone moment....im at work....got a call in15:45
Shaba1ok no problem and thanks15:45
Schenker80for some reason i was under the impression that only version 6 worked on power PCs......but it seems that versions 7 and 8 also work too......15:46
dcolishSchenker80: there are kernels for ppc but I think they are not as well supported.15:46
Schenker80oh15:47
Schenker80well, if i did have problems with intrepid ibex you guys would be able to help me, right?15:47
dcolishSchenker80: depends on the problem, if its a real kernel issue that could be a lot more complex than what can be solved with configuration15:48
Schenker80oh i see.  well, what do you recommend for me?  do you think I should install version 7 or 8?15:49
dcolishwith kernels I prefer the latest15:50
Schenker80ok cool, dcolish.  I will download intrepid15:50
dcolishgood luck15:50
Schenker80thanks and sorry if my questions seem stupid15:50
dcolishall is forgiven15:51
viddShaba1, sorry....im back15:51
viddsave the file15:51
viddSchenker80, the only stupid questions are those that are not asked15:52
Schenker80very true.  :)15:53
Shaba1k15:53
viddShaba1, now that it's on your desktop, you can double-click it to install15:54
viddor you can open a terminal to do it the cli way15:55
vidd=]15:55
viddwhich way ya want to learn?15:56
Shaba1Ok I hold on15:56
Shaba1I double clicked it on the deskotp15:56
Shaba1but now get a dialog that says "Failed to instal packag 'libxvmc_0.1.32-1_i386.deb15:57
Shaba1hello16:03
Shaba1vidd16:11
Shaba1are you still here?16:11
viddsorry....16:11
viddopen up a terminal window......16:12
Shaba1hold on16:12
Shaba1trying again16:12
Shaba1I think I clicked on the wrong file on my desktop16:12
Shaba1its install in now16:12
viddhehe16:13
Shaba1ok that worked16:13
Shaba1it says its installed16:13
Shaba1now how do I get it to change the resolustion16:13
Shaba1setting manager?16:13
viddShaba1, you will want to restart your desktop.....16:14
vidd[ctrl]+alt]+[BKSC]16:14
vidd[ctrl]+[alt]+[BKSC]16:14
Shaba1Ok I am back16:25
Shaba1I restarted the desktop and had to sign in again16:25
Shaba1but I still see the same choices under the display settings applet16:25
Shaba1vidd:?16:26
viddhrm....16:29
viddyou may need to re-configure your xserver to use the new driver16:30
viddwhich version are you using>?16:30
Shaba1xfre16:30
vidd8.04 or 8.10 (or 6.06)?16:30
Shaba1i asume16:30
Shaba1ok16:31
Shaba1ubuntu version 8.0416:32
Shaba1I thought that was the ubuntu version #16:33
viddthe command is sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg16:33
Shaba1systems settings says something about gnome.16:33
viddyou will want to do this from a tty....16:33
vidd[ctrl]+[alt]+f1]16:34
Shaba1let me tell you the linux side of things is much more confusing then window16:34
Shaba1and no I am not a computer newbie16:34
Shaba1I use to be employed as a windows systems admin16:34
Shaba1vid: enter that keystroke combination from the terminal16:35
Shaba1or use that to get TO a terminal window?16:35
viddShaba1, that keystoke will put you into a tty (no gui)16:35
viddthen you will want to sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg16:35
viddthen restart your x server (sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart)16:36
viddduring the reconfigure, you will want to change the driver to the new driver you installed16:36
sinboxwhy is sound in xubuntu so hard to work out? :'(16:38
viddsinbox, cuzz its evil?16:40
viddwhat problem you having?16:41
sinboxsound?16:41
sinboxnaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah16:41
viddwhat sound problem are you having?16:41
sniperltOk vid16:41
=== sniperlt is now known as Shaba1
viddShaba1, any luck?16:41
Shaba1vid: that cause a black screen with a blinking cursor to appear16:42
Shaba1So I had to cold reboot the machine16:42
Shaba1the good think is now my resolution is correct16:42
viddcool16:42
viddthen rebooting reconfigured your xserver for you16:43
Shaba1I just wish i understood what just happen :D16:43
sinboxI just couldn't get it to capture sound for some reason, I ended up installing ubuntu-desktop and got it going in minutes on there, guess I'll have to take another look at it when I have a bit more time and come back with some actual details, I was just here for a general moan today (must be autumn...)16:43
viddsinbox, you simply needed to open the sound manager (xfce4-mixer) and unmute the record16:44
viddsinbox, it is listed as "capture"16:45
viddalso, you want to make sure that the correct sound card is selected16:45
sinboxI did try that, after installing a PCI card and turning off the onboard in the BIOS, and still no dice16:46
Shaba1Thanks vid16:46
Shaba1I will keep that one deb on my desktop16:47
viddsinbox, did you confirm that xfce4-mixer was set to use the newly installed card instead of the disabled card?16:47
Shaba1and erase all the other so there is no confusion16:47
viddShaba1, now that its installed, you dont need it anymore16:47
viddShaba1, basically what happened was that you needed to reboot to reload the kernel driver (im sure there is a way to do it from command line but i cant think of it off the top of my head)16:48
viddsinbox, when you installed gnome, it would have auto-detected that the onboard card was disabled and auto-selected the neqw card....but if you did this after xfce was installed, then you would have had to tell xfce that the audio device changed since install16:49
Shaba1I tend to be a packrat16:50
Shaba1Both in real life and with my computer tools16:50
viddShaba1, it is rude to PM without permission16:50
Shaba1I always hate to throw things away because I think someday I might need them16:50
viddShaba1, these are easily recovered16:51
Shaba1I thought you pmed me16:51
Shaba1with that message??16:51
viddbut if you must save....make a folder for deb's and move it there16:51
Shaba1must be the differneces between this irc program and mirc which I am use to using16:51
viddwhen the writing shows up in red....it only means that your name is in the line16:52
viddif you /msg someone, it opens a private chat...just like mirc16:52
TheKingWhat's the equivelent of ConvertXtoDVD on linux16:53
viddShaba1, oh...and check out tab-autocomplete16:53
Shaba1I just discovered something about this irc client16:54
viddTheKing, what does it do?16:55
Shaba1when my name is mentioned in a room it pops up a dialog box if the client's window does not have focus16:55
TheKingIt takes any video file you download off the internet and converts it to DVD format16:55
Shaba1that is why I thought your previous message was a pm vidd16:55
viddic16:55
TheKingThen you can burn it on the fly16:55
viddyou are forgiven (this time)16:55
Shaba1Its call kvirc16:56
Shaba1I will have to go look up the docs when I get back to the windows side of this machine16:56
viddTheKing, check out http://www.linux.com/articles/5370216:56
TheKingk16:57
viddShaba1, why wait?16:57
Shaba1I am doing updates now on the xubuntu side16:57
viddShaba1, let me rephrase.....16:57
viddwhy switch back to the windows side?16:57
Shaba1Oh16:58
Shaba1I spend much of my time in windows16:58
Shaba1i use it for work16:58
viddwe can fix that =]16:58
Shaba1when I can get computer work16:58
Shaba1which is not often now16:58
Shaba1damn this economy16:58
Shaba1I wanted to get familiar with linux16:59
Shaba1to give my self another employable skill set17:00
Shaba1but this laptop does not have enough ram for ubuntu17:00
Shaba1so someone suggested xubuntu.17:00
viddShaba1, for "marketable" linux, you will also whant to check out Red Hat's linux17:01
sinboxthanks forthetipvidd I'll cheeckitout when I've got some time, need to run to work now17:13
Shaba1i know vidd. but i will hve to clear space on my desktop for that.17:14
Schenker80folks, is it a good idea to have an ethernet connection plugged in when installing xubuntu?17:15
zoredachesure17:15
Schenker80should I disable WEP on my router in that case?17:16
Schenker80like just leave the network open?  or does that not matter when you're plugged right in?17:16
sinboxdoes not matter17:16
Schenker80OK cool thankyou17:16
sinboxpgrading from WP to WPA might be a good move for your wireless as well17:17
sinboxupgrading*17:17
sinboxwaoh typolexia galore17:17
Schenker80sorry I do have WPA17:18
Schenker80hehe17:18
Shaba1brb reboot17:18
Max__i´am back to annoy you with my questions ;)17:24
Max__does xubuntu has something like a "taskmanager"?17:25
sinboxtop or htop in a terminal17:25
sinboxmaybe not htop on xubuntu actually17:26
Max__ok, cause my the laptop hanged up17:27
viddMax__, they have the same task manager as ubuntu.....17:28
Max__strg+alt+ent???17:29
viddthe GUI is gnome-system-monitor and the cli is top17:30
viddMax__, ????17:30
* Odd-rationale <3 htop17:30
Max__yes but how do I get it started when it hung up?17:31
viddhtop FTW! (should be in the default install)17:31
Max__i do not get to the terminal17:31
viddMax__, can you [ctrl]+[alt]+[f1]?17:31
Max__yes17:32
viddMax__, i recommend htop .... sudo apt-get install htop17:32
viddthen use htop to close the misbehaving item17:33
viddMax__, you have anything critical running that you need saved on that desktop?17:33
Max__no17:33
viddMax__, then from tty, type sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart17:34
vidd(tty is where you go when you hit [ctrl]+[alt]+[f1]17:34
viddMax__, that will restart your desktop and kill every application dependent on the desktop17:35
Max__works17:38
Max__thx for reanimating17:38
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shaba1thanks vidd again17:40
Max__is it normal that i cant play any mp3 files?17:43
zoredache!restricted17:48
ubottuFor multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats17:48
shaba1thank for the help vidd17:51
viddMax__, i still recommend that you install htop so that when you do have something critical, that you can just kill the bad app and then save your work17:55
Schenker80guys I am installing Intrepid ibex and it's asking me about partitioning.  I don't mind if it deletes everything on the hard drive.  with this in mind what should I choose?  My options are:  Guided - resize IDE Master.......  Guided - user entire disk.       guided - use entire disk and set up LVM       guided - use entire disk and set up encrypted LVM18:06
* vidd chooses manual18:08
Schenker80ok....18:08
viddset up a / partition, a /home partition, and if its a server, a /var partition18:08
viddand of course a swap partition18:08
Schenker80oh man18:08
Schenker80i have no idea how to do that18:08
Schenker80that's way out of my league18:08
viddchoose manual18:08
Schenker80OK18:09
viddfirst partition will be a swap partition....set that to about 2x your ram18:09
viddnext partition will be your / partition18:09
viddset this to about 1/10th of your remaining hd space, or 6 Gig, whichever is higher18:10
Schenker80i don't know how to do this....18:10
viddwhen you chose manual, it should show you a partition18:11
viddhow many partitions are there?18:11
Schenker80it shows me 4....18:11
Schenker801 - 32kb - apple18:11
viddok....what are the sizes of these partitions?18:11
Schenker802 - 1.0mb BK boot untitled18:11
Schenker803 - 59.1 GB - ext3 - untitled18:12
vidd*shutter* a MAC18:12
Schenker804 - 765 f swap18:12
viddok.... so you already have a swap partition18:12
viddlooks like you have a 60 gig hard drive18:12
Schenker80yes man18:13
Schenker80i do18:13
viddselect the first partition, and then choose "remove partiton"18:13
vidddo this to all partitions except the swap18:13
Schenker80OK man18:13
Schenker80hold on18:13
Schenker80delete the boot one, man?18:14
viddyes...all18:14
viddand im vidd ... not "man"18:14
Schenker80sorry, vidd18:14
viddthis aint the '60's18:14
vidd=]18:14
Schenker80ok so now I choose finish partitioning and write changes to disk?18:15
viddno18:15
viddyou should now have swap and "unpartitioned"18:15
Schenker80yes i do18:15
viddselect the "unpartitioned"18:15
viddwe will set it to 6 GB18:15
Schenker80OK18:15
Schenker80how do i do that?18:16
Schenker80automatically partition the free space?18:16
viddwhat is it asking for first?18:16
Schenker80create a new partition18:16
viddselect that18:16
Schenker80OK and 6 gb....18:16
viddset it "primary"18:16
viddyep18:17
viddwe want this to be / (should automatically select it)18:17
Schenker80it's asking me if i want to create it at the beginning or the end18:17
viddi would choose beginning18:17
Schenker80ok I have done that18:18
viddSchenker80, will this be a server or a desktop?18:18
Schenker80desktop machine18:18
viddok...we will do the same as b418:18
viddselect the unpartitioned space18:19
viddcreate new partition,18:19
Schenker80ok...18:19
viddleave the size alone (it defaults to all the space left)18:19
Schenker80this is 53 gi18:19
Schenker80yeah18:19
Schenker80OK i have done that18:20
viddit should automatically assign it to /home18:20
Schenker80yes it has :)18:20
Schenker80should i select done now?18:20
viddfinish, save changes, and keep on truck'n18:20
viddyep18:20
Schenker80thanks vidd!18:20
Schenker80much appreciated18:20
viddno problem18:20
viddpay it forward =]18:20
Schenker80oh oh18:21
vidd?18:21
Schenker80now it says no newworld boot partition was found .  the yaboot loader requires an appple_bootstrap partition at least 819200 bytes in size using the HFS macintosh file system18:22
Schenker80then it asks if I want to go back18:22
viddhrm....18:22
viddlets go back to our partition tables18:23
viddremove the /home partition18:23
Schenker80ah i found a solution18:23
Schenker80http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=37686618:23
Schenker80should i delete the swap partition?18:23
viddwell...i was just going to say, take the required space out of the home partition18:23
viddSchenker80, NO!!!! swap is important18:24
Schenker80OK18:24
Schenker80hehe18:24
Schenker80so just delete the home partition?18:24
viddyes...for now....18:24
Schenker80ok i have done that18:24
zoredacheyou can delete the swap partition, and then build a swap file on one of your data partitions18:24
viddnow select the free space18:24
Schenker80OK i have selected the free space18:25
viddzoredache, bad doggie...no bone18:25
Schenker80hehe18:25
zoredacheit is a little slower, and more work,18:25
viddSchenker80, ok....we want to set up 2 mb and set it up as that file system18:25
Schenker80ok.........18:26
vidddunno what to name it18:26
Schenker80so i will select the free space and partition it as 2mb?18:27
viddyes18:27
Schenker80at the beginning?18:27
vidddoesnt really matter18:27
viddwe want to use the hfs file system18:28
Schenker80OK i've done that18:28
Schenker80oh...18:28
Schenker80how do i select that?18:28
viddremember the page you enter past that says ext3?18:28
Schenker80yes18:28
viddthat is where you set that18:29
Schenker80it doesn't give me hfs as a choice.....18:29
viddinstead of ext3, choose hfs18:29
viddhrm....18:29
Schenker80it gives me newworld as a choice18:29
viddthen abort, and redo the partitioning18:29
viddthat works then18:30
viddso we choose that....18:30
viddand then use up the rest of the space for /home18:30
Schenker80newworld?18:30
Schenker80ok18:30
viddyes...newworld for the bootstrap 2mb partition18:31
viddbe back in 10-15 minutes18:31
Schenker80OK, thans18:31
Max__i downloaded open office 3.0.0 for linux now i want to install it but when i unpack it i get another .tar file which is corrupt18:34
zoredachedid the site offer an md5 sum for the file?   Did you check it?18:38
Max__no18:38
Max__i diid not check it18:38
viddMax__, what is wrong with the OOo in the repos?18:42
viddSchenker80, im back18:42
Max__wait i deleted it will report you later as soon as i extracted it18:43
viddMax__, i see that OOo in repos is version 2.4.118:44
zoredachevidd: is v3 in the repos, or a ppa somewhere?18:44
vidddunno.....18:44
mthornquick question. I'm trying to mount an external hard drive on 8.10. When I plug in the device, /dev/sdc appears, but NOT /dev/sdc1. The drive is formatted ntfs. If i plug the drive into my 8.04 machine, both /dev/sdc and /dev/sdc1 are created.18:45
mthornmore interestingly, if I do fdisk -l, it does seem to see /dev/sdc118:46
viddMax__, there is a .deb for version 3 on the OOo web site18:46
mthornif I try to mount it, I get this error: "mount: special device /dev/sdc1 does not exist18:46
mthorn"18:46
mthornany suggestions?18:46
vidd!ntfs18:46
ubottuTo view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - For write access, see !NTFS-3g or !FUSE18:46
viddmthorn, ^^^^18:46
Max__"Anerror occurred while loading hte archieve" gzip stdin: not in gzip format tar: childreturned status 1 tar: error exit delayed from previous errors18:46
Schenker80hi vidd18:47
viddMax__, get the deb!18:47
Schenker80seems to be goin gOK for me now18:47
viddSchenker80, you get the partitions up?18:47
Schenker80yup18:47
Schenker80it's installing the base system now18:47
Schenker80thanks again18:47
mthornvidd: I've got ntfs-3g installed. It comes with xubuntu 8.10, no?18:47
viddmthorn, no18:47
viddMax__, http://openoffice.bouncer.osuosl.org/?product=OpenOffice.org&os=linuxinteldeb&lang=en-US&version=3.0.018:48
Max__Linux x86 (DEB)18:48
viddMax__, unless you need something other then english =]18:48
Max__is this the right one?18:48
viddMax__, click my link18:48
viddbut yes...that one should work too18:49
vidd!ntfs-3g18:49
ubottuntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions18:49
mthornwell, I ran apt-get and it seems to think I have ntfs-3g installed. And again, there is no /dev/sdc1. Everything I see on the guide you linked me to implies that there should be /dev/sdc118:50
mthornThis drive works fine on 8.04.18:51
mthornis there anything that would cause ubuntu to not read the partition table?18:51
viddmthorn, if the guide dont help....and the driver is installed....then im out of ideas18:51
zoredacheunplug it, then plug it in... then look at dmesg18:51
mthornok, thanks for the help. the dmesg log looks normal to me.18:52
zoredachedo a 'sudo udevtrigger' perhaps?18:53
zoredachemaybe with a --verbose18:53
Schenker80vidd - why do you think that intrepid ibex uses a text installer rather than a graphical one18:53
viddSchenker80, ppc is no longer supported officially18:53
Schenker80ohhh18:53
Schenker80so that's why18:53
Schenker80because it's a port.....18:53
viddyep18:53
Schenker80do you know of any other distributions that I could try on my iBook?  not necessarily ubunutu based...18:54
viddSchenker80, in my opinion, text installer is better then graphic anyway18:54
Schenker80i just find it a little hard to understand to be honest18:54
viddSchenker80, sorry....ive never even laid hands on a mac ....18:55
zoredacheSchenker80: debian still maintains their ppc.  They are getting pretty close to a new release so you could probably safely use lenny18:55
Schenker80cool, zoredache18:55
Schenker80i will have a look into that18:55
Schenker80i don't suppose you know if it would be easy to install?18:55
viddSchenker80, debian is the same as what you just did18:56
zoredacheit uses the smae installer as ubuntu18:56
vidddebian does not have a live installer (that im aware of)18:56
Schenker80oh18:56
Schenker80is a live installer a graphical installer?18:56
viddyes18:57
viddand it is evil18:57
Schenker80seriously?18:57
Schenker80hehe18:57
viddrefuses to pass on special kernel configurations need to get the graphical installer loaded (like on my HP machine that requires acpi=off)18:58
viddin other words, if you have to pass a kenel option to the live cd to get the live cd to boot, once the install is complete, you have to edit your grub to add those kernel options18:59
viddnasty, messy evil stuff18:59
Schenker80oh i see19:00
viddthe text installer passes those options19:00
Schenker80are you guys using xubuntu now?19:01
viddtherefore, alt is superior to live in all ways19:01
* vidd uses xubuntu on only one machine 19:01
Schenker80what else do  you use?19:01
viddall others are ubuntu cli + lxde19:01
anubisAnyone free to answer a question re: xfce locking up?19:02
* vidd just hasnt had the time to back up all the data on this machine to convert it to cli+lxde19:02
viddanubis, can you be a little more specific?19:02
anubisSure. XFCE locks up after it shows the desktop icons and Menu at the top.19:03
viddanubis, how much ram, swap and free hd space?19:03
anubis1.8Ghz Athlon with 1GB Ram, 160 GB free HDD space and 1 GB swap19:05
anubisGnome or KDE don't lock up.19:05
viddanubis, your swap should always be at least twice your ram19:05
vidd(i dont think this is your issue)19:06
anubisMy mistake, it's 5 GB swap19:06
viddwhat does top tell you is running?19:06
anubisPardon?19:06
viddhave you ever gotten xfce to load?19:07
anubisThe desktop?  No, it just locks after loading the desktop icons and menu19:08
viddwhen it locks up, can you get to a tty?19:08
vidd([ctrl]+[alt]+[f1]?19:08
anubisI would have to reboot to try that.19:09
anubisI'm in Gnome ATM19:09
viddso you are talking on the machine that is having the issue?19:09
anubisUnfortunately19:09
viddhang in there19:09
viddso you have your system set to dual boot? or to choose sessions?19:10
anubisThis machine only has Ubuntu/Kubuntu/Xubuntu on it.19:11
anubisNo windows at all.19:11
anubisEvidently they don't play well together.19:11
viddok....19:11
anubisI think it's a graphics card issue.19:11
viddi doubt that19:11
anubisI'm just frustrated ATM19:11
viddif it was a graphics card issue, then gnome wiould have the same issue19:11
anubisI'm kinda new to this.19:11
viddthats ok.....19:12
anubisIt's a fresh install of Xubuntu also.19:12
anubisThis way I could choose the session I want.19:12
anubisI wouldn't mind getting rid of Gnome and KDE 419:12
anubisGnome is ok, KDE4 is quirky.19:12
knome!purexfce19:12
ubottuIf you want to remove all !KDE and !Gnome packages and have a default !Xubuntu system follow the instructions here « http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purexfce »19:13
viddso....when you boot, you get to the login screen and THAT is where you decide xfce, gnome or kde?19:13
anubisCorrect19:13
viddso that is not a dual boot...and you dont need to reboot to switch sessions19:13
anubisNo19:14
anubisJust log out.19:14
anubisI am kind of concerned that uninstalling GNOME and KDE4 will hose the system.19:14
viddyou should go into your .cache ....19:14
anubisOk...(how?)19:15
viddthen the xfce folder19:15
viddin nautilus19:15
viddyou want to set it to "view hidden"19:16
anubisOddly enough, Nautilus doesn't even shop up for whatever reason in Gnome's menus19:16
viddno problem....19:16
anubisOk, I see it in Dolphin19:16
viddopen a terminal....19:16
anubisI'm in .cache19:16
viddopen xfce19:16
anubisok, it's xfce4 if that matters?19:17
viddwhat folders you have?19:17
vidd*xfce4*19:17
anubisJust desktop in XFCE419:17
viddok....delete that folder19:18
anubisDelete XFCE4 or Desktop IN XFCE419:18
vidd(actually, you should be able to delete everything in .cache without fear)19:18
Schenker80guys i am gonna go now for a while19:18
Schenker80vidd, thanks again for all your help19:18
Schenker80seeyas later19:18
viddSchenker80, np19:18
anubisOk19:18
anubisThe folders in .Cache are as follows:  rhythmbox sessions Thunar totem tracker and xfce419:19
viddyou can delete them all....19:19
anubisOk19:19
viddnext time they are needed, they will be re-written19:19
anubisDone19:19
anubisOh, ok19:20
anubisWhat's next?19:20
viddgo into the .config folder19:20
anubisOk, there.19:20
viddopen the "autostart" folder....what is there?19:21
anubisxfce4-volstatus-icon.desktop19:21
anubisThat's it19:22
viddim going to recommend that you move that to some kind of temp folder19:22
viddi think that might be causing your lock-up19:22
anubisDone19:22
anubisI moved it to Documents19:23
viddthat is all i see....ready to test?19:23
anubisI'm crossing my fingers19:24
viddnever hurts19:24
anubisOk, gonna log out now and try this...19:25
anubisBRB19:25
anubisIt WORKED !!!19:27
viddsurvey says?19:27
anubisThank you SO MUCH!19:28
viddthat will be 36.50 plus tax19:28
viddeuro's19:28
vidd=]19:28
anubisLOL19:28
viddUSD aint worth what it used to be!19:29
anubisTrue19:31
anubisNow  to get the tv out function to work...19:32
anubisThat's later tho19:32
anubisGotta get a new s-video cable19:32
anubisBRB19:33
anubisThis system doesn't like ATI video cards.19:46
ubdhello20:03
ubdi have wifi and i am enterin password for keyring everytime i log in and i dont want this20:04
ubdi want it to connect automatically without asking a pass20:04
ubdand20:05
ubdi want a user to be able to use ubuntu in another language / is this possible20:05
viddusing in another language is possible20:05
vidd!translation20:05
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about translation20:05
vidd=\20:05
ubdalright20:06
viddkeyring password :20:06
ubdwhat about keyring vidd20:06
viddhttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=79277920:06
viddlanguages....try http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-349419.html20:07
L_Ryuzakihi20:10
L_Ryuzakii'm planning on reformating windows will that get rid of my partition for xubuntu?20:11
L_Ryuzakior do i have to delete it before i reformat20:11
ubdthanks vidd your the one20:13
ubdcya later mate20:13
L_Ryuzakianyone know bout my reformating questiong20:13
viddL_Ryuzaki, it wont "get rid" of them (unless you installed via wubi) but it will make it difficult to re-install grub20:13
L_Ryuzakiquestion*20:13
L_Ryuzakialright i used wubi so it should get rid of it for me20:14
ubdwhats wubi20:14
knome!info flac20:14
ubottuflac (source: flac): Free Lossless Audio Codec - command line tools. In component main, is optional. Version 1.2.1-1.2 (intrepid), package size 168 kB, installed size 408 kB20:14
vidd!wubi20:14
ubottuWubi is an Ubuntu installer for Windows users that allows you to install and uninstall Ubuntu like a Windows application, in a simple and safe way. http://wubi-installer.org/support.php for troubleshooting. Please file bugs at http://launchpad.net/wubi/+filebug.20:14
L_Ryuzakicause im wanting to get rid of it since it slows my comp way to much, and i only used this to evade a virus i had20:14
L_Ryuzakieh im still going to use wubi i guess to get rid of it just in case20:14
viddL_Ryuzaki, why not install xubuntu clean as a bual boot?20:15
L_Ryuzakicause i don't know how20:15
viddit will likely ran faster after the virus eating up your system resorces is gone20:15
ubdinsert the xubuntu disc20:15
L_Ryuzakiah, well i'm reformatting today so it should be back to normal, xubuntu is cool unless it's being partitioned20:16
L_Ryuzakii just realized i came in here just to ask a question that i already semi knew what i was going to do20:17
viddL_Ryuzaki, once its set up, it should run nice20:17
L_Ryuzakiah20:17
L_Ryuzakii kept xp just since i could make games using it20:17
L_Ryuzakiusing visual basics20:17
L_Ryuzakithat was about the only reason for keeping XP partitioned20:18
viddL_Ryuzaki, make gtk games.....20:18
L_Ryuzakigtk?20:18
viddlinux needs games20:18
L_Ryuzakiah. and yes it does20:18
viddgames that will run in linux20:18
ubdi think games are not so impoertant as there are many flash games around20:19
ubdbut it will be good have nice games for linux anywyas20:19
L_Ryuzakiit's nice to have games not built in or not from a site20:19
rdehlerso i'm on 8.04 and i tried to upgrade to 8.10 via Upgrading on http://xubuntu.org/get and I don't get the 'New distribution is available' message21:58
floatingyou have to go to software sources22:01
floatingbecause 8.04 is LTS, there is an option that "install only longe term support distribution updates" or something. you have to change it to "normal updates"22:02
rdehlerdid that, now i see it22:02
rdehlerthx22:02
floating^^22:02
Shaba1hello alo23:06
Shaba1hello all is what I meant to type.23:06
jmichaelxcould someone possibly tell me how to go about adding the gnome network manager applet to an xfce panel?23:53

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